Saturday Night Open Thread


Saturday night games on the West Coast should be banned. Yuck, this sucks. Anyway, here is an open thread until the regular game thread comes along later tonight. The Mets are playing and the World Cup is on, so talk about those games or anything else.

Categories : Open Thread
  • hey now

    There was something about seeing that #51 jersey jogging out to center field that just instilled confidence. That was our Golden Age right there, folks.

  • nicknowsky

    How bout the news that the Yankees are considering non-tendering Pineda?

    • LarryM Fl

      Where is this story getting its legs?

      • forensic

        His own twitter account, I’m assuming.

      • http://www.draftstreet.com/register.aspx?r=Jedile Jedile


        Found this on google. I am a pineda fan so I feel unsure about this. I want to believe (most likely) this is fake.

        • CountryClub

          That strikes me as ridiculous. Why in the world would they be afraid of going through arbitration? He’s not going to cost much and he’s proven this yr that he can be effective. I call BS.

          • CountryClub

            Again, this makes no sense to me, but here you go…..

            Will Carroll ? @injuryexpert
            Hearing Pineda gets one more shot at rehab and then the Yankees will shut him down and walk away.

            • http://www.staggeringbeauty.com/ ALZ

              That is just dumb. If they were the Rays that’s one thing, but Yankees can very well afford to just hold onto him for awhile. He looked really good this spring, even if he continues being injured he will still be a bargain compared to buying a similar pitcher in free agency.

              • forensic

                A guy who is injured and not pitching isn’t a bargain compared to anything.

                • CountryClub

                  The risk is certainly worth the possible reward. We’re not talking about a 100 mil contract. What’s he going to get in arb…..2 or 3 mil? Obviously, if he’s hurt worse than we’ve heard so far, then that changes things.

                  • forensic

                    I’m not saying he’s not worth a shot, again, I don’t think he’ll be non-tendered anyway. But, if he’s hurt and not pitching (whether it’s this injury or yet another one) then it’s not a bargain to have his salary on the DL doing nothing, no matter what the salary is.

            • Jorge Steinbrenner

              Seems more like poor use of the term “walk away” than anything else.

            • RetroRob

              Will Caroll is a gasbag who likes the sound of his own voice.

          • forensic

            I don’t think they’d do it, but I think it’s a bit of a stretch to say he’s proven this year that he can be effective. He had only four starts, three of which were against not great offenses and the fourth against the Blue Jays before they went off, and apparently couldn’t throw a pitch without half a barrel of pine tar poured somewhere on his body.

            Again, I don’t think they’ll do it since he’ll theoretically still be cheap his first arb year, but between this fiasco, all the injuries, the DUI, and coming into camp overweight in prior years, I could understand if they did.

            • Kenny

              I can understand it too, especially (assuming the story-rumor is true) if they know something about him that we don’t and that’s not getting into the story or rumor mill.

            • Paisa

              I don’t think it’s all that fair to hold the pine tar thing against him. Sure he did it stupidly, but to say that his performance was predicated on it is a bit of a stretch.

            • Jorge Steinbrenner

              Even the glimmer of his pitching like he did earlier this season should keep him on the payroll for a while.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      How about getting banned for spreading fake shit?

      They could 60-day DL him for a long-ass time if he’s still hurt. There’s zero reason to do that.

      • Steve G

        Will Caroll isn’t some nobody. That’s a pretty damn legit source. It’s certainly not a ban or something he made up

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          I hadn’t seen it.

          Carroll only said “walk away.” The author is sort off running with the phrase a bit.

          • Steve G

            No he clarified that he meant non-tender in the thread of responses. Check the convo on twitter.

            • Jorge Steinbrenner


              Don’t know quite what to say. It feels quite premature to me.

            • RetroRob

              As if the Yankees have decided in mid June and some 60 games they’re going to non tender a player after this season and they then let Will Carroll know. Carroll throws stuff like this all the time and the overwhelming majority is false.

          • Steve G
        • RetroRob

          Yes he makes stuff up…All.The.Time.

      • Blog Master

        Typical, trying to call the shots.

        BTW Go Heat. BWHAHAHAHA

        Looks like you need to find a new bandwagon to jump on.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          Get a real screen name, then troll me.

    • http://bronxpinstripes.com/author/nicknowsky/ nicknowsky

      Was legit source Carrol knows his stuff, we talked to him

  • forensic

    Bernie was certainly my favorite of that generation of Yankees (and is among my favorites ever, with Mattingly, Winfield, A-Rod, and even Tanaka at this point). It still bugs me that he gets left out of the phony core 4 crap just because they want something that rhymes and was just about 2009.

    He certainly should have his number retired by now, but at least for the time being I’ll enjoy the consolation prize that it not being retired means it’s one of the few I want that I can actually use in MLB The Show, where I’m of course a switch-hitting center fielder.

    • Grit for Brains

      I like everything about Tanaka. A lot….but one of your favorites ever at this point? Its been like two months. Someone has to be on the team two years for me to even start looking at them in the prism of my all-time favorite Yankees…but that may be just me I guess.

      • forensic

        Yeah, it’s probably a little exaggeration since I’ve been so pumped about this season so far. All-time is a stretch, but favorite current guy (like I said, ‘at this point’), sure (at least among active guys). Like you alluded to though, those can certainly change, for the good or bad, after a couple of years. For example, Tex went from that level down a couple notches for me over the last 5 years.

    • Kenny

      Retire his just after they do Tommy Henrich’s, or Charlie Keller’s, or Tony Lazzeri’s.

      • forensic

        They were before my time, so I don’t care about them. ;-)

        Seriously though, those were 11-12 year guys and that’s kind of borderline IMO, especially with 2 of them playing elsewhere for a year or two. Bernie was a lifetime Yankee for 16 years.

        How about we unretire a couple of the guys who are already out there, but maybe shouldn’t be, before adding some new ones?

    • jjyank

      100% agreed. Bernie is my all time favorite player. I grew up with the dynasty Yankees (I’m 25) and for whatever reason, Bernie was the guy for me. It bothered me as well that he was left out of the “Core 4″ simply because that had a nice ring to it. Bernie was just as much of a core of that dynasty as any of the others.

      I hope they eventually retire his number. Lifelong Yankee and a huge part of one of the most successful runs in the team’s history. Also one hell of a guitarist :D

  • LarryM Fl

    Bernie Williams is an unsung hero IMHO but beloved by Yankee fans. He is an excellent player, teammate and person. We were fortunate that he was not traded away because the value of younger players was not always respected by the Boss.

    • jim p

      Bernie in the top ten all-time Yankee list on every offensive category. I remember his pattern: worthless in April and May, carried the team for 4-8 weeks starting in June; a bit of a cold streak; then another 4-6 of awesomeness in August-September.

      In the top 10 for Runs, Hits, Doubles, HR, RBI, BB, 8th in BA with at least 1400 games, and in the top 20 for most of the rest. Plus #1 Guitar Player.


  • Lukasz

    Colombia looked very strong today, I’m impressed. Costa Rica too, they definitely proved themselves agianst Uruguay

  • The Other Matt

    Tonight’s Lineup:

    1. LF Gardner
    2. SS Jeter
    3. CF Ellsbury
    4. 1B Teixeira
    5. C McCann
    6. DH Soriano
    7. RF Ichiro
    8. 2B Solarte
    9. 3B Johnson

    P Kuroda

  • Ricky

    Damn how I miss Bernie

  • Yankee$

    Bernie was the best player on the best team (’98) of the last 50 years.

  • vicki

    fox booth going off on senior circuit strategery. jesus. because only rhodes scholars have managed in the national league.

    • Yankee$

      I think Mike once commented that AL strategy around pitching changes was more complicated than NL since the batting order often dictated the NL move. After my head exploded I thought, “heh, wow!”

      • vicki

        it certainly takes more touch in the AL. and only the simplest minds will marvel at the double switch. we all know otherwise intelligent anti-DH truthers. it’s weird.

        • Yankee$

          Haha, nice touch.

  • http://www.staggeringbeauty.com/ ALZ

    That’s game over.

  • jjyank

    I miss Bernie. I still have his poster in my closet, and he is still my favorite player of all time. I wasn’t a switch hitter, but as a kid, I modeled my batting stance after him. Great player, great guy (I did get to meet him once at an autograph signing event when I was maybe 12), great part of a bunch of great teams…I hope his number gets retired. I really do think he deserves it.

  • Jorge Steinbrenner

    Happy Father’s Day to all the dads out there. Out in this bizarre virtual land, I know that both forensic and I became dads in our time on here, and there are others who became dads who slip my mind at this time, and who had mentioned their children, young and old, on here. Today is your day, and thank you for easing your children or to be Mets fans and have positive self-worth.

  • Pinedamaybegreata(formerlyMonterowasdinero)

    I am a father of 3 and a bit older than the “young dads” on the list. All Yankee fans. I had brainwashed my son into the future “greatness” of Montero when he was a minor leaguer-got signed bats, balls, photos but all he is now (as of last night) is Seattle’s cleanup hitter/DH…