Jul
30

2014 Trade Deadline Eve Open Thread

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Hole Camels. (Jim McIsaac/Getty)

Hole Camels. (Jim McIsaac/Getty)

The non-waiver trade deadline is 4pm ET this Thursday, and between now and then there will be a ton of rumors and speculation. Some actual moves too. The Yankees have already swung trades for Brandon McCarthy and Chase Headley, but Brian Cashman has said he is still seeking another starter and another bat. I don’t know if they’ll get another deal done, but I fully expect plenty of Yankees-related rumors.

On Monday and Tuesday we learned the Yankees are “in on everything” but they do not want to part with their top minor leaguers. Josh Willingham, John Danks, Jake Arrieta, Justin Ruggiano, and Chris Denorfia were among the names connected to the club. They are not targeting Justin Masterson, however. We’ll keep track of the day’s Yankees-related rumors right here in this post, so make sure you check back throughout the day. All of the timestamps below are ET.

  • 4:59pm: In addition to Benoit, the Yankees have also checked in on Antonio Bastardo of the Phillies and James Russell of the Cubs. Both are lefties but I don’t think that says they’re unhappy with Matt Thornton. [Stark]
  • 4:33pm: The Yankees continue to be connected to Marlon Byrd, but they are wary of his $8M price tag for next season. Like I said before, they will need a right fielder next year, Byrd on what amounts to a one-year deal at $8M wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world. [Jayson Stark]
  • 4:31pm: In case you were thinking about a reunion, former Yankees corner infielder Eric Chavez announced his retirement today. He was pretty awesome.
  • 2:16pm: Although the Yankees and White Sox continue to discuss Danks, they are still far apart in talks. I’m sure both the money and prospects are an obstacle. [Heyman]
  • 2:07pm: Justin Masterson has been traded to the Cardinals. The Yankees did not have interest in him, but it presumably takes St. Louis out of the running for Jon Lester and David Price, muddling the pitching market. [Peter Gammons]
  • 1:57pm: As they look to bolster their bullpen, the Yankees are eyeing Joaquin Benoit. They had some interest in him over the winter. There is “nothing going on” right now as far as talks go, however. [Heyman & Martino]
  • 12:49pm: The Yankees are still involved in talks with the Padres about Ian Kennedy, but those talks are said to be “medium,” whatever that means. San Diego cleared a lot of money with the Huston Street and Chase Headley trades and have said they don’t have any problem with holding onto Kennedy into next season. [Chad Jennings]
  • 12:06pm: The Yankees prefer rentals to players under contract next year and beyond. Rentals are cool, but the team does have holes to address next year (like right field). Trading for someone signed for next season wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world. [Andrew Marchand]
  • 10:28am: In addition to rotation help, the Yankees are looking to bolster their bullpen as well. Adam Warren and Dellin Betances look like they have been running on fumes of late. [Nick Cafardo]
  • 10:06am: The Yankees are picking through the second tier of starting pitchers and they have discussed left-hander Brett Anderson. The Rockies intend to keep him and either exercise his club option for 2015 or sign him to a longer term contract, however. [Buster Olney & Ken Rosenthal]
  • 9:30am: The Phillies requested a package of multiple top prospects from the Yankees and several other teams in exchange for Cole Hamels. The assumption around baseball is that Philadelphia isn’t serious about moving their lefty ace. The Yankees are more likely to add another mid-rotation arm than an ace-caliber pitcher at this point. [Jon Heyman & Andy Martino]
  • The Yankees continue to have interest in Willingham. With Carlos Beltran continuing his throwing program and potentially returning to the outfield as soon as next week, the DH spot would be open for Willingham, who hasn’t played right field in five years. [Heyman]
  • Both the Rays and Rangers had special assignment scouts watching Double-A Trenton last night. Special assignment scouts are sent to see specific players. They aren’t there for general coverage. [Keith Law]

Also, I understand we have a new flood of commenters coming over from LoHud for whatever reason. Please look over the Commenting Guidelines if you’re new and especially note that we ask you to keep comments on topic. Also use the “reply” button to keep conversations organized. We’re not asking much. Thanks in advance.

  • http://www.twitter.com/_swarlesbarkley Mark Teixeira – Ghostbuster (formerly Drew) RIP Egon

    A wild Cole Hamels appeared!

    Cashman used eat money!
    (Super Effective)

    Cashman used Luis Servino and JR Murphy!

    Had no effect!

    Cashman used Lusis Servino and Aaron Judge

    Wild Cole Hamels captured!

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      ietc

    • AndrewYF

      Nice trick, giving them his gardener Lusis Servino instead.

      • http://www.twitter.com/_swarlesbarkley Mark Teixeira – Ghostbuster (formerly Drew) RIP Egon

        I really wish there was an edit button for the site. Also your comment is slight racist, but hilarious.

  • tomingeorgia

    Just another refugee, looking for old friends!

    • blake

      hey Tom!

      • MG

        Hey guys…

        • TheStraw

          Hey Tom!

    • Rick

      Not trying to be funny, mean, sarcastic, what have you … but there is no need for each of you to introduce yourself in search of old friends from LoHud. Please operate under the presumption that you’re all here. No need to clog the threads with millionth “hello” over the past two days.

      With that said, welcome aboard!

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        I’m fine with it, personally. Mass migration is hard. Just look at the history books.

        • Rick

          I was fine with the first 30 … it’s becoming a little aggressive now though lol. But, with a major caveat, that I’d rather have the new commenters here than not at all.

          • Shame Spencer

            What’s the stance on swapping bbq recipes on RAB..?

            • Rick

              Open threads are fair game. If it’s a phenomenal BBQ recipe, fire away. I will pretend not to read it and pretend to be upset about the comment only to steal it and incorporate it into my dinner that night.

        • trr

          Did something happen on that OTHER site?

          • The Big City of Dreams

            Zombies took over and the last survivors ended up on here lol.

      • Tar

        A lot of us are old friends… and enemies. We haven’t talked in a couple of weeks. Deal with it for a couple off days

        • yankeefeminista

          Hey Tar, saw your last night post just now while skimming RAB, so decided to jump in for a few minutes. Good to see you! As per what you were discussing last night, Bill James Online updates runs saved and a bunch of other stats (not sure specifically whether shifts are current); however, updated stats are only available from the pay side of things. I know they do some free stat stuff (based on Fielding Bible’s work). Last season they updated teams’ defensive runs saved (free article) based on defensive shifts at the end of July. That was that stat where Yanks had had an abominable 0 runs saved in 302 attempts. So, maybe a James/Fielding Bible updated D shift/runs saved is forthcoming b/c it is the same time of year. We’ll see…

          Hensley is pitching today for SI. It’s been a long road back, so good for him. Unfortunately, it developed too late for me to attend, but SI is live streamed, so I’ll watch that. And another nice outing by Severino last night btw.

          • viridiana

            Why the mass migration from LoHud?

            • Luisergi

              Chad Jennings said the other day that the comment section went down. I don’t know why, or for how long, though.

            • Dalek Jeter

              They closed their comment section, so now all of the regular commenters are probably looking for somewhere new to post. We’ve become the somewhere new.

              • blake

                The comments are back open there….they just switched to a Facebook login which is terrible so everyone left.

                • Rick

                  That was essentially the death of comments on ESPN as well. Though I generally found it was people who feared they would be publicly embarrassed by their posting if they had to use their actual name that chose to stop commenting in general. LoHud may be trying to weed out people the same way. When you have a blog read by that many and can generate (probably significant) revenue from it, you probably want to do what you can to protect it. I get it, sort of.

            • The Big City of Dreams

              Lohud has been dealing with a very aggressive troll for the past couple of yrs. Information of posters have been exposed even Chad has had his business put on the blog. So a few weeks ago Lohud stated they were making changes to the site to improve the blog. They even asked survey questions. Sometime yesterday the comments returned and now it required using FB to post on Lohud. Many posters don’t want to do that so the mass migration.

        • Rick

          It’s not about dealing with anything. It’s about a modicum of respect for the guidelines of the site as per the commenting policy referenced above by Mike.

          Again, I also have no problem with the influx of new commenters. Simply adhere to the guidelines, that’s all. Welcome.

          • King George

            Rick…lighten up just one level. This is the lamest thing to get mad at or bitch about.

            • Rick

              I’m not mad at or bitching about anything. I apologize if the internet makes my tone seem that way.

              Maybe you need to lighten up thinking that everything is said with a nasty undertone.

            • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

              To be fair, a new commenter telling an established one to “Deal with it” is kind of an asshole thing to do, and a bad way to ingratiate yourself with a new crowd.

              • Tar

                I can be an asshole…And maybe telling “new commenters” that they shouldn’t say hi to people they haven’t talked to in a while…. is being an “asshhole” first.

                • trr

                  well I see we’re off to a great start!

                  • The Big City of Dreams

                    Lohud vs. RAB. It would be like WCW War Games.

            • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

              Although I’m definitely on team pro new blood.

              • Rick

                I am as well. New blood is good. Maybe the increased web site hits will earn Mike some more money (we know he deserves it from the quality of his site) and lower our subscription fee.

                • The Big City of Dreams

                  Maybe the increased web site hits will earn Mike some more money
                  —————-

                  True. Kind of feel bad for Chad though.

        • http://www.lgjaffe.com Bronx Born

          Howdy Friend Tar

      • Sergio

        All of the sudden the comments section of this blog has turned into something like the baseball version of the Mariel boat lift. I’ve been lurking on here for years and don’t recall anything like this happening before.

        In all seriousness, it just goes to show how great this site is and, what’s even more amazing, is that the wonderful content on here is plentiful and free. We should all take a minute and appreciate this, especially since everything in life comes to an end eventually.

    • Bret The Hitman

      Hello Tom, hello Blake, hello Pat M, hello Tar, hello exiled, hello Bret The Hitman

      • blake

        Bret!

        • Bret The Hitman

          Blake!

          Asheville has been playing the Riverdogs. Charleston looks pretty barren though. Most of our talent seems to be in Tampa and Trenton.

          • blake

            mostly yea….I think Clarkin is about the only big time guy left in Charleston. You should still go though!

    • MTU

      So this is where everyone is hiding.

      ;)

      • blake

        hey MTU whats up!

      • Bret The Hitman

        Hello MTU, how’s Utah?

    • mick

      Hey Mr Tom!

      • Bret The Hitman

        Hello Mick, how did you make out in the most miserable poster contest? Tell your friend Jerkface I said hello.

  • Rick

    Trying to guess who the Yankees and Rays have discussed – could it be Zobrist? I’d be on board with that. No idea what the package would be to pry him away in the division.

    For the Rangers, I’m assuming the target is Rios. The Rangers can accept the crappiest Double A prospect we have for him though – and send cash.

    • ac1

      I would think the Yankees have seen enough of Rios to walk across the Ballpark at Arlington, over the the GM, and say, ‘let’s chat’.

    • Bret The Hitman

      Made me immediately think of Zobrist and Rios. It could be the Rays watched Severino’s start and because the Yankees offered him for Price, they were just doing their due diligence.

      • Rick

        I would volunteer to pick up Price from the airport.

        • Bret The Hitman

          I’d pump your gas and swipe my card. I just figure why reject a trade proposal without first seeing a player offered, up close?

  • Pinedamaybegreata (formerly Monterowasdinero)

    I can’t see the Rays selling now. They are closing fast. Why would they sell?

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      Because they’re in a hopeless situation and this is the only way they can give the illusion of being competitive.

      Keep that in mind, folks, next time you have fantasies of going down on Andrew Friedman.

      I’d stand put if I were them, especially on Price. They’re within fighting distance, and this isn’t the last chance they’ll have to deal him.

      Then again, as a Yankee fan, TRADE HIM TO THE NL, FRIEDMAN.

    • blake

      this run they are making puts Friedman in a tricky spot…..he’s knows he has to trade Price now if he wants max return but how exactly do you do that to the 15 people that frequent the Trop nightly.

      • MG

        I was at the Trop last Saturday, more than 15 people but it was the Red Sox.

        blake, I sat two rows behind Stephen Drew’s wife and their 2 kids, they didn’t seem too upset with the Red Sox being shut out. Mrs. Drew, by the way, is wearing some of his contract in the form of diamonds…

        • blake

          nice! good for her. I bet he has a better 2nd half than B. Roberts btw ;)

          • MG

            He couldn’t have a worse one, the Yankees need to find a permanent place for him on the bench, he’s really run down and hurting them defensively.

            Girardi hinted that Johnson would play more 2nd base when he gets back, if nothing else they should platoon Johnson and Ryan unless they want to bring up Refsnyder. If it was up to me I’d platoon Johnson and Refsnyder there and get some more offense in the lineup, they might actually score some runs on a consistent basis with another bat.

            • Rick

              We could have a worse one. We could have Aaron Hill.

              • Kosmo

                Aaron Hill will produce more runs than Roberts.
                Headley gets all kinds of love on here but Hill for some reason doesn´t . Headley who I like has had a terrible season up until now but is treated (money aside) in quite a different way. Makes zero sense to me.

                They´ve had very similar careers.

                • Rick

                  Headley improved the teams in many ways. His offensive upside was much greater than that of Solarte and his defense consistently rates out as one of the Top 5 in the game. I get that he was having a down year, but there strong belief his home ball park played a large factor in that. Headley is also a switch hitter who you could have possibly predicted an uptick in power due to the short porch.

                  Aaron Hill has somehow managed to be worse than Roberts .1 WAR on the year. At worst, they possess equivalent values of “suck.”

                  Further, Hill’s last two seasons (even his strong 2012) don’t exactly compare to Headleys. (5.5 WAR vs. 7.2 WAR in 2012; 2.0 vs. 3.6 in 2013; -.1 vs. 1.8 in 2014). There was considerably more hope for Headley adding value to the team than Hill.

                  This is all aside from the fact that Headley is a FA after the year, while Hill is owed $24M AFTER this year. Roberts only makes a fraction of what Hill makes this year and is gone after this year.

                  • Kosmo

                    I´ve considered Hill´s contract. D-Backs would have to eat a portion to move him plus Hill could be traded if say Refsnyder comes out of ST 2015 ready to go.
                    Hill has shown, despite a down season for him, to hit well with 2 outs RISP something Roberts has not done well.
                    anyway if NY is leaning in the direction of Rios then Roberts will probably remain NYs starting 2B.Ouch.

                  • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

                    Thank you, Rick. This is everything I wanted to reply with only much more cordial.

                    Aaron Hill is terrible right now.

                    • bojo

                      So basically you are saying he is over the hill?

    • Dan A.

      Basically there are no reinforcements in the system, so they need to maximize what they can get out of Price if they are going to stay relevant at all going forward (by restocking the system). The reason to trade him now is because he’ll have a better trade value playing a season and a half for a team, rather than waiting until the off season to deal him (when he’ll only have 1 year left).

      And they can’t afford to lose him for nothing, or wait until next deadline to deal him. Look at the Red Sox–if they had traded Lester last year, they’ll undoubtedly have gotten a bigger package than whatever they’ll get in the next day and a half.

      Don’t get me wrong, I’d rather have the World Series title, but keeping Price around, only *maybe* gets TB to the 2d Wild Card. Probably not worth losing out on the extra value.

      • Bret The Hitman

        I feel the same way about Cole Hamels. The Phillies can’t restock sufficiently without dealing him.

  • Shame Spencer

    Thanks for the welcome, Mike.

  • Jorge Steinbrenner

    The assumption around baseball is that Jack Z looks at Ruben Amaro and goes, “there’s something not right with that guy.”

    • Scott

      That’s cold. But so true

  • Bill

    my first choice would be trade for Price but I don’t think Tampa wants to trade him until next year unless they are overwhelmed with a bunch of prospects. my second choice would be Lester but I don’t see Boston trading him to the Yankees. The Phillies want Multiple prospects for Hamels. They also want to trade Cliff Lee to dump salary? What if we offer “a single prospect” (or two) for BOTH pitchers and agree to pay a lot of the Cliff Lee contract instead of trading “multiple prospects”. We’re the Yankees – we have more money than prospects. This would really solidify the rotation because even if we get Hamels, Lester or Price how far are we going to go in the playoffs with a 3-4 man rotation of one of them and Kuroda if Tanaka and Pineda don’t come back and come back healthy and effective. They’ve been great stopgaps as 4th, 5th regular season starters but I don’t feel safe starting Phelps, McCarthy, Kelley, Capuano or Whitney in game 3 of a best of 5 series. or games 3 and 4 of a best of seven.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      Because Philly’s not trading Hamels for simple salary relief.

      • Rick

        I totally agree. IMO Philly is playing it smart with Hamels. There really is no need to trade him unless they get absolutely blown away. There reaches a point in time where some packages are simly too hard to say “no” too. Hamels is one of those pitchers were you want to receive said package. His numbers are too good, and his salary is rather commensurate with his performance, to justify trading him for simple salary relief.

  • tbone1570

    I’m another refuge from LoHud, thx for the welcome Mike.

    Hey Shame and Tom!

  • MaineYankee

    Hi tom

    Glad to see you’re still around.

    Looks like the change at LoHud isn’t working too well at this time.

    • Chris in Maine

      Jason?

      • MaineYankee

        No

  • Bill

    isn’t it ironic how everyone complained that it was “BAD FOR BASEBALL” when the Florida Marlins won a championship and then traded away their entire team and then rebuilt and won another championship and then traded away their entire team the next year but when RED SOX NATION does it no one says a thing?

    • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

      Kind of apples and oranges there. The Marlins traded away their players simply because they couldn’t afford to pay them, according to them. The Red Sox are trading players because they’ve fallen on their faces and it is in their best interests to get what they can for aging veterans.

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        …and the owner who succeeded Wayne Huizenga went on to later own…..the Boston Red Sox!!!

        God, I hate everything about how the Marlins are run.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      They are not even remotely the same situation.

      The ’97 Marlins were completely dismantled immediately after winning a championship, as the ’03 version pretty much was.

      The 2014 Boston Red Sox are a last place team that happened to win the World Series last year.

      Do you see the difference?

    • Darren

      I feel dirty defending the Red Sox, but what are you talking about? There’s a giant gulf between what the Marlins did IMMEDIATELY after they won the World Series, both i the offseason and in May of the following year, compared with the Red Sox possibly trading one star player, who’s already indicated a willingness to come back, at the end of July, after it became obvious the Red Sox weren’t winning this year.

    • hey now

      Well, to be fair, the Marlins did it before the season even started. The Sox are doing it because their season’s in the shitter.

    • HansDavenport

      That’s a valid point. IDK though. Possibly, like me, no one cares what the Red Sox do.

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        It’s not a valid point. They’re not remotely the same situation.

        The “For Sale” sign was hung around every Marlins player as they hoisted the ’97 trophy.

        • HansDavenport

          I was making an attempt to be nice. I considered he might have also been referencing the Boston fire sale with Beckett etc. from a few years ago. I also stated I didn’t really care what Boston did.

  • Shame Spencer

    Very surprised to see that blurb from Fangraphs on Kemp. I could see them dealing him in the off season but I still think LA moving him at this deadline (or more likely the August deadline) is a long shot.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      Link?

      • Shame Spencer

        http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs.....matt-kemp/

        Here’s the blurb Ys posted in the last thread: “Which leads us to a hell of a conclusion: based on these numbers, there’s an argument to be made that it would make sense for the Dodgers to trade Kemp and one of their top prospects for nothing. Kemp’s value is so low, in other words, and prospects are sufficiently risky, that Kemp and a top prospect basically cancel each other out.”

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          Very good write-up. Makes a ton of sense as well. I’d very well consider that if I were the Dodgers. Taking that chance on the young player flaming out may be a hell of a lot better than continuing to pay part of Kemp’s contract, no matter how much money the Dodgers have.

          Bring on the “Alex and Severino” trade proposals.

          • Bret The Hitman

            Oh God don’t tease me like that.

      • Ys Guy

        i believe she was talking about this one;”Which leads us to a hell of a conclusion: based on these numbers, there’s an argument to be made that it would make sense for the Dodgers to trade Kemp and one of their top prospects for nothing. Kemp’s value is so low, in other words, and prospects are sufficiently risky, that Kemp and a top prospect basically cancel each other out.”

        which came from here: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs.....matt-kemp/

        • Ys Guy

          and this one:
          “@Buster_ESPN
          To assess Matt Kemp’s current value, asked 2 execs what they’d give him as a free agent today. 1st response:2 years, $16m; 2nd: 2 yrs, $15m.”

          • blake

            were these 2 execs from the Twins and Padres or something? Even in his diminished state he’d got an .800 OPS…..that’s not all that common in 2014…..I think he’d get way more than that just for the potential.

            • Rick

              The fangraphs piece takes some umbrance with Olney’s tweet and estimates his value to be a bit higher as well. It’s fair to think he’d get more on the open market. Their overarching premise is interesting. I think there is a huge disconnect though as to whether the Dodgers would make such a trade (I don’t think they would nor should) and what teams should be looking to give up/receive in order to acquire Kemp.

  • blake

    I would think the Rangers are scouting Trenton for talks about Rios….I woudln’t mind him depending on the price.

    • Kosmo

      Are you saying the Rangers are scouting Trenton Thunder or that you “think“ they are in a wishful sort of way ?
      Following that thread of thought someone like Gamel would match up OK, I think Austin would be to much.

      • blake

        the Rangers and Rays had special assignment scouts in Trenton last night…..says Keith Law.

        • Kosmo

          thanks Blake for the clarification.

          • blake

            no prob

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      The magically disappearing power with Rios worries me quite a bit.

      • blake

        agreed but he’s got a .305 BA and a 110 OPS+…..given that he can be rental if you don’t pick up his 2015 option I’d file it under the “he’s better than what we got category” and he’s hitting .372 .406.640 1.046 vs LHP this year which they need…..

    • viridiana

      Rios seems like a reasonable target. Power way down but still upgrade for Yanks. Team option in 2015. Bit of a salary dump. Mid-level prospect could get it done.

  • Reggie C.

    Seeing reports (fangraphs, mlbtr) that Pirates-Red Sox could be discussing a Josh Bell for Jon Lester trade. That’s pretty much best case return scenario on a Lester trade for the Red Sox. I’m still convinced that the Sox will re-sign Lester in the offseason to a five year/100 million sheet.

    on a more related note, if the Yankees are “in on everything” but don’t want to part with Severino or Judge, then they’re not “in” on much. i’m still intrigued by Masterson and the possibility that he could be a reclamation project for next season. what kind of return are the Indians looking for?

    • CountryClub

      Cash already picked up 2 players that have helped without giving up much. Let’s see if he can do it one more time.

    • Mandy Stankiewicz

      Masterson is a FA in 2015, so that’s not much of a reclamation project — unless there was an extension conversation at the trade.

  • Johnny Box

    Any package from the Yankees has to include one of their Catchers:

    Cervelli
    Murphy
    Romine
    Sanchez

    Any trade for a top flight player has to start with Sanchez then you work your way down the list.

    I also think you can trade Jagielo, Pirela, Mason Williams and Austin. The reason? Cave, Judge, Refsnyder development seem to be going along better. Everyone thought Jagielo was going to jump this year because of his advanced bat. However, DB JR is bouncing back and you can make the case of trading Jagielo if you had to.

    For Pitching, Clarkin and Servino are untouchable. I think ManBan, Montgomery and Mitchell can be traded.

    The question is, what’s out on the market that’s going to make a difference? RF, second base, another middle of the road starter and 1 relief pitcher are our needs. Sometimes a youth injection on the MLB team can bring some energy. Why not just keep them all and give them a shot?

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      I think everyone should be available, some for the reasons you state. At this point, having Sanchez, Murphy, AND Romine around is creating a 2015 logjam, and I’d hate for that logjam to be solved by a Romine DFA.

      I think Judge has a pretty rare and special potential skillset, why is why I hug him a lot more. I like Severino, but, wayne be damned, he goes if he’s the tipping point in getting a top-flight guy.

      I’m also not saying trade every single last one of them but, if two or three of them need to go to get the right player, Judge is who I grab onto the hardest.

      • Reggie C.

        Honestly both Severino and Clarkin go if the Phillies are willing to trade Cole Hamels in a package that doesn’t cost us Aaron Judge. Hamels is a top flight guy.

        Or am I stretching “top-flight”…

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          I’d probably pull the trigger on that.

      • Old Man Time

        I have Judge hidden in a secure undisclosed location.

      • I’m One

        if he’s the tipping point in getting a top-flight guy.

        And I’ll add to that “with multiple years of control remaining.”

        I’ve been a fan of Judge since pre-draft and I, too, continue to hug him tightly but I’d even consider including him in a package for Hamels or someone of his ilk (Price with a window to extend him is the only one that comes immediately to mind).

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          Your edit to my original statement has been approved.

    • Kosmo

      as Mike stated a mid-rotation SP and another bat. Yanks would be shooting themselves in the foot to trade top flight talent for either a 2-month rental or someone like Hamel(s) who would cost the farm and could down the road be an expensive injury waiting to happen.

      Severino could be in the Bronx mid-2015 if he continues on his dominant course of play.

      • I’m One

        Could be. Or, he could have a severe injury or he could regress. Cole Hamels has a hoistory of success in the Majors, Luis Severino does not. I’d take the chance on Hamels, but I won’t be disappointed if the Yankees decide to pass on him and keep Severino.

        • Kosmo

          Hamels could blow out his arm next year and NY would be on the hook for what 20 mil a year over the length of his contract. Sabathia should be a lesson.

          • viridiana

            Any long-term contract that’s made available has to be something of a salary dump. Catch 22 here. If Phils don’t want Hamels or Lee, I’m not giving up much to take on their contracts. Certainly not Severino or Judge.

          • Dalek Jeter

            Severino could blow out his arm tomorrow and either cost years of development or never pitch in the majors or even net the Yankees some ML talent in a trade.

  • CountryClub

    Last night’s lineup (at least 1 – 7) was the best they ran out there all year. Hopefully Cash can swing one more bat this week. And then I’ll keep my fingers crossed that Pineda actually makes it back.

    • Reverse apache master

      Absolutely. We need power hitting RF’er. I like zolio but I don’t trust him as we chase a PS birth.

  • Reverse apache master

    Ninja cash is always cookin’ up something. Crazy theory: resign headley and AROD plays short next year? I would love to add hamels but I don’t see them over paying.

    • Mike HC

      If we do sign a third baseman, I think ARod moves to backup 1B, 3B and DH. And if he can still play even a little, that would help the squad at least.

      ARod at short is just a fantasy.

    • Rick

      If A-Rod plays short next year, you’re going to be pining for Jeter’s defense at the position. And we know that wouldn’t be a good thing …

  • CountryClub

    Buster Olney ?@Buster_ESPN 2m
    The Yankees are picking through the second tier of starting pitchers and one guy they’ve discussed is Brett Anderson.

    Buster Olney ?@Buster_ESPN 1m
    Anderson would fit the Yankees in a lot of ways: Possible high ceiling; moderate financial risk they can absorb; has had success in AL.

    • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

      And he’s thrown more than 100 innings twice in the past 6 years, so he fits right in with the current crop of DL pitchers.

      • CountryClub

        At this point you’re just looking for someone better than Capuano. They can’t run him out there every 5 days. But I get your point.

        • Kosmo

          Anderson SEEMS healthy now. Yanks need 10-11 starts from whomever they trade for over the remainder of the season. Maybe Brittle Brett can handle the workload.

        • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

          I agree, more bemoaning the lack of a reasonable trade option than completely dismissing Brett.

          MLBTR seems to indicate the Rockies don’t want to move him though.

      • Dan A.

        That’s the reason he wouldn’t be that expensive. They’re basically priced out (aside from include the top 3 prospects)for consistent 200 IN guys.

    • Mike HC

      I like Brett Anderson but it scares me he is considered the “second tier.” If Price, Lee, Hamels and Lester is the first tier, that is some drop to tier two.

      It would be interesting to see some of these trade conversations and Cashman’s willingness to give up our prospects, or really interesting to see how much Betances gets brought up.

    • Kosmo

      yes makes alot of sense. I´ve mentioned Brittle Brett 2-3 times in the last week or so as a potential trade target.

      • ac1

        If he hasn’t already, Cash should be looking at Tommy Milone also. Exiled to AAA in Oakland because of Jeff S and Hammel, and now they are looking at Lester too….

        • Kosmo

          I agree.

          • King George

            I don’t. A fly ball pitcher, who throws meat over the plate and doesn’t throw more than 90 mph, at Yankee Stadium? Bring back Javy Vasquez then.

            • Kosmo

              like Pettitte in his last few years ?

    • rbibaseball

      They can probably get him for a bucket of balls. Has flashes of brilliance but he’s made of glass.

  • Ys Guy

    i felt the reason the reply button didnt work on the lohud was because of the volume of comments. by the time a couple of replies on one subject were posted, it was already buried. This may occur here with the increased volume.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      Then, honestly, we’re all going to need to stick to the format provided.

    • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

      Email Mike if you want a policy change. Until then, obey the rules provided.

    • viridiana

      Biggest LoHud mistake IMO: tying commentys to Facebook platform.

  • Tar

    What took everybody so long? Has Chicken showed up yet? How about MTU? somebody get on it.

    • HansDavenport

      I moved quite some time ago. Long before this most recent change. I should say I departed quite some time ago. Probably late April, would be my best guess. Started posting here a couple of weeks ago. Again, that’s an estimate.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      Chicken, MTU, and Luis Severino for Cole Hamels.

      There. I brought this back on-topic.

      • HansDavenport

        Amaro won’t do that trade. Doesn’t like Chicken.

        • The Great Gonzo

          Chicken to teh 8th!

  • Shame Spencer

    Over/under on the Yankees making a bigger move by the August deadline…?

    • HansDavenport

      Bigger than the two or three they made recently?

    • HansDavenport

      If you are referencing their most recent moves, I’d say a 20% or less chance.

    • Shame Spencer

      I don’t think the move thus far could be considered as major.

      I’m just wondering if they’re targeting anyone with an inflated salary (like Lee). Those moves tend to happen after the deadline. We could still see a fair bit of movement through next month.

      • BKamm

        That’s exactly what I meant. They weren’t major. I answered that there was a 20% or less chance of anything bigger then this happening.

      • HansDavenport

        They’re unlikely to do anything major. I’m on for a 20% or less chance also.

  • Dan A.

    A trade for Hamels is the level where I think it was justified to pull the trigger on moving top prospects to help this year’s bunch. He’s in his prime, and if he was a FA this year, he’d get more than what was left on his contract (slight discount). If the asking price is all 3 of Judge, Severino, and Sanchez, then I think it’s right to pass. But I would include at least 1 of them in a deal (possibly 2 if the trade didn’t raid the rest of the system also).

    • blake

      Hamels is really good…I mean you put him next to Tanaka for the next 2-3 (assuming Tanaka makes it back) and the top of the rotation is set. I don’t want to trade Judge (I have a prospect bear hug on him) but anybody else including Severino is fair game IMO….

    • rbibaseball

      Well that was probably the package Philly wanted. They wanted the Dodgers top 3 prospects who were all ranked in the top 20 midseason prospect rankings. Corey Seager, Joc Pederson, and Julio Urias.

      Basically Amaro is a joke and will run himself out of town in a year, when the Phillies are going to be perennial bottom feeders. Their system is completely bare and they aren’t going to win in the next three years. So just trade Hamels for something reasonable to save face.

      • blake

        Ive thought Amaro was gonna get fired for years and he somehow doesn’t…..he must have the pictures on ownership

  • Tim Sherman

    This is one of my favorite times during the baseball season. It will be interesting to see what transpires over the next day and a half. Always lots of speculation, then deals are made that nobody saw coming. Should be fun as usual.

  • Jacoby Eddardsbury

    Lester scratched tonight vs the Jays only so the deal can fall through and he’ll pitch Friday vs the Yanks.

    I think Cashman has already done a hell of a job. Headley and McCarthy have been great pick ups and he didn’t have to give up much. I’d make another incremental trade for a RF and call it a day. The pitching has been just fine. Pineda’s on his way back.

    • Ys Guy

      until pineda is on the ML roster and scheduled to start, he doesnt’ exsist to me.

      get a starter.

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        You replied seriously to eddard. You’re buying everyone coffee now.

        • Ys Guy

          he’s far from the only one who’s posted that ‘pineda is coming back”

          • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

            Just buy the coffee.

          • Jorge Steinbrenner

            Wait ten minutes until he tells you the complete opposite. In the meantime, milk, two sugars.

          • King George

            And get it from Dunkin.

      • The Great Gonzo

        ATTN LoHud Migrants:

        DON’T FEED THE EDDARD TROLL. That is all.

        Regards, Management

        • I’m One

          And one of the major trolls is anyone with a name that includes “eddard” somewhere within it. Tread carefully around that one. (Although I admit most of us get riled up enough at some point and feel compelled to respond to him. And he even makes some valid points from time to time, but those seem to be the exception.)

        • TheStraw

          What about Stuart A? I see he hasn’t changed his tune from when he was on LoHud years ago…

          • Dalek Jeter

            stuart? still ALL ABOUT giving parades and raisers to players he claims to hate.

  • CashmanNinja

    As much as I would *love* to trade for Price or Hamels…I just don’t think it’s a wise move. Hamels is owed a lot of money and you know Price is going to get some crazy dollars with his next deal. So we’d be giving up our top prospects AND a boatload of money. It’s not like they’re doing well and cost controlled (similar to what the Yankees were hoping to get with Pineda). Obviously there’s a reason why they’re worth so much, but I just don’t think it’s the best business move. It would help now, but hurt in the future. I’d much rather go with the second-tier guys who can be good, but not great…guys who can hold their own. Add on the prospects that we’d be wind up keeping and I just think there’s more value in that right now. It’s not like they’d give up Hamels for just Severino and/or Judge. It’ll take those 2 just to get the ball moving. If we have to give up Judge, Severino, Murphy, and another mid-tier guy I feel we’d be giving up too much (albeit for a very good player). I’m not saying Cashman should go pick through garbage, but surely there’s a rummage sale quality starter out there somewhere.

  • lightSABR

    I’m curious (and maybe I’ve just missed it): why the migration from LoHud?

    • Ys Guy

      Short version is that Lohud changed their comments so that you have to sign in via Facebook and then your Facebook id is visible to everyone. And Lohud had a problem with a poster misusing personal information which was a main reason they changed in the first place.

      • lightSABR

        I hate it when websites do that. I mean, I’m the governor of Massachusetts* – I can’t have people know I’m a Yankees fan.

        That said: come on, people. With all due respect to Chad Jennings (and he’s due a lot), RAB’s always been better, especially in the comments section. Welcome to where y’all should have been all along.

        *not actually true

    • Tar

      They went to a Facebook based comments section…. and lost everybody. good move Gannet

      • viridiana

        Epic error by Gannett

  • ac1

    Incremental upgrades are good, except Cashman basically poo poo’d on the idea of the ‘incremental’ upgrade to 2B when pushed about Refsnyder. For Roberts, apparently incremental is not worth it. And that’s if anyone believes RR or Pirela would only be incremental.

    2015 pitching is still an issue.

    I hope they resign McCarthy. Being in a race seems to have invigorated him. And his wife is gorgeous!

    • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

      There is zero guarantee Refsynder would be any kind of improvement, even incremental, over Roberts.

      • ac1

        There is ZERO guarantee about anything other than Roberts has digressed at the plate and his bad fielding is only making it worse.

        • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

          Every meaningful projection system or scout that I’ve seen has foreseen doom for Ref’s infield D if we promoted him right now.

          Is is bat probably better than Roberts? Probably. But is it better enough to counter the inevitable terrible defense? I don’t know.

      • The Great Gonzo

        “ZOMG! Greener grass!!!! Lets do that thing!!!”

        David Adams and Austin Romine say hello

        • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

          meh, more #CashmanFailed

      • Tar

        No guarantee but there is a decent chance, correct? So why not try Ref and find out?

        I think the answer is because of rule 5 and money. Personally I don’t think the Yankees should be making or not making, any moves based on those reasons…especially this being Jeter’s last year.

        • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

          Or they want Ref to be a long term solution, and there’s a chance that failure this year would be a detriment to his development.

          It’s not black and white. It never is.

        • The Great Gonzo

          Because, much like David Adams & Austin Romine, it could do as much harm as good. When the bread is baked, and the bread baker feels its so, then we’ll get a slice.

          There is a damn good reason Brian Cashman is making millions of dollars to make these decisions and we are in cubicles or in bed with laptops on our chests waxing poetic about the ‘right’ moves a Major League baseball team should make.

          • Scott

            Love the bread baker reference, may I have permission to use that?

            • The Great Gonzo

              Go nuts, dude. H/T to former poster TSJC, as its a thinly veiled attempt to pirate his old ‘microwave burrito’ analogy.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          No matter what, Refsnyder’s in the plans for next season. He’s getting a 40-man slot at some point. I’m not sure if holding the 40-man spot for someone else necessarily holds water.

          There’s also a “decent chance” of his being far worse defensively AND offensively right now as he adjusts.

          Hey, if no one is going to be hitting out there at second, last night’s second baseman looked like a pretty good stopgap to me.

          • HansDavenport

            Certainly better then Roberts.

    • blake

      I think I’d consider both McCarthy and Headley as re-sign candidates depending on their terms…..Neither are stars but both are pretty decent. Headley especially I’d offer a cheapo contract and see if he bites.

      • ac1

        Agree again!

        A-Rod is not going to be an everyday 3B next year.

        Yankees will use him at 3B and at DH and truthfully, they should also get him working out at 1B, since Tex is made of glass.

        • Shame Spencer

          I’ve been hoping they’d use Alex at 1B for a while… he and Tex would make a pretty nice tandem there. If you can get Headley on a short term deal, that wouldn’t be terrible either. Bounce Alex from one side of the diamond to the other depending on need. I just think he’d stay healthier playing 1B. His range isn’t what it used to be at 3B.

          • ac1

            It makes too much sense for the Yankees to do it.
            They will bank on Alex staying healthy all year, and he surprised when it doesn.t happen. The best way to improve this team is to make sure Alex can play multiple positions. A lot of 3B also play 1B so this shouldnt be too hard. He will also DH a lot as long as Beltran can actually play the OF next year.

            • trr

              Rodriguez at first is an interesting idea. My opinion is that he will be inadequate at 3B by next year. I really don’t see the team cutting ties with him because of the $$$, and DH will be crowded, so what else is left?

      • Shame Spencer

        Agreed.

        McCarthy is controlled through next year, which is nice. Gives you a little more time to evaluate him. And if he does continue posting decent numbers in this second half, he could be someone you’d consider trading. All resources are good resources.

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        I’d co-sign.

      • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

        Can never have enough pitching depth. As we learn year after year.

      • viridiana

        Might want to do one year deal at above market value for Headley. Give him chance to recoup value.

        • blake

          I think he’ll be open to a 1 year deal…..if so that’d be great.

  • ac1

    Is anyone else amused that even after 3 titles in 10 years, the Sox still feel inferior to the Yankees? I love that they have flat out said no Lester to the Yankees, but are more than willing to listen to Baltimore. The FIRST PLACE Orioles.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      As far as has been presented to you.

      • ac1

        Well that is really all we have to go on with any information.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          As well as the assumption that not everything is as presented to you on MLBTR.

          • ac1

            I live in Boston. So I get a lot of Boston news from many different sources. Baltimore has been mentioned several times from several sources. Point is they aren’t trading him to the Yankees (i think we all agree), but Baltimore has not been shut down that loudly.

            • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

              I have the internet, and can get Boston news from many different sources too.

              Where you live has no bearing on your news anymore.

              And what I’ve heard has been that Baltimore isn’t really in the running either.

              • ac1

                This is going nowhere. Agree to move on from this. Lester will likely end up on the Dodgers or Pirates. Seems to be the consensus though I’d love if he went to STL and pitched against them in their series next week.

                • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

                  It’s a baseball blog. Does anything here ever “go anywhere”? If you move on every time you have a different opinion then someone, I don’t know why you’d bother to comment.

              • King George

                Having a bad day, Jim? Sort of a lame comment. Jeez. “I have a computer too”…the guy was posting something worth a mention. Get over yourself.

                • trr

                  He’s just….bored

                • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

                  I’m actually having a wonderful day, thank you.

            • Jorge Steinbrenner

              You don’t have sources the rest of us don’t have access to.

              • The Great Gonzo

                He’s actually John Henry’s Chamber Maid.

    • viridiana

      Larry “Lizzard” Lucchino has always been obsessed with Yankees. Wears hatred on his sleeve.

  • Tar

    “if you’re new and especially note that we ask you to keep comments on topic. Also use the “reply” button to keep conversations organized. We’re not asking much. Thanks in advance.”

    Hi Mike thanks.

    Keeping on topic is “sometimes” going to be impossible. How do you discuss things like food and the Backstreet Boys with people for years, and then all of a sudden stop? I do understand on busy baseball days kind of like today… but during slow periods…. Besides reading Shame going off topic…. may just become the highlight of the blog haha

    Anyway thanks again for the welcome.

    • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

      That’s why you use the reply button; keep thoughts nested together.

      Also, IMO he’s more referring to: If you want to discuss the trade deadline, do it in the trade deadline thread. If you want to talk about last night’s game, do it in the recap thread.

      Lord knows people here go on and on about pro wrestling, women, nostalgia, prussia, and plenty of other stuff(non politics and non religion) which as far as I can tell has nothing to do with the Yankees.

      • Tar

        Thanks

        I was more talking about the off-topic stuff more not nesting. I am catching on to the reply button, but have to say the time stamp on some post seems out of whack.

        • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

          Yeah, the timestamp thing has been a bug for a while. I’ll occasionally reply to someone 15-20 minutes after replies have already been posted, and mine will show up first.

      • Mandy Stankiewicz

        Cashman’s royal Prussian ancestry is fair game, though.

    • Rick

      There is an entire thread for off-topic conversations. You can post comments such as the ones you referenced there.

      • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

        No one uses that anymore, to be honest. I think if people keep it clumped together and nested using the reply button, that’s as good as we can hope for.

        • Mike HC

          As I wrote in more length below, maybe the LoHud people can really add a new dimension to the blog if that get that going. I have no problem that they enjoy just the on going all day conversation, and rather than constrain how they like to talk about the Yanks, the off topic thread is perfect.

          • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

            I agree. It’d be perfect for them if they want to resurrect it.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      Because you’re commenting on a new site, and it’d be a lot better for you to assimilate to what’s here already. It seems like everyone else who’s migrated looks to be just fine with doing it.

      There’s Open Threads for the Backstreet Boys and food. No one is going to come down on you if a well-intended conversation goes off into a crazy tangent. This happens every day on here, trust me. I’m responsible for too much of it.

      Where I think some of us would go apeshit would be if the tendency on LoHud to just completely ignore the actual post and treat a comment thread as a continuation of the previous thread were to spill over here.

      • HansDavenport

        Trust me. You are wasting your keystrokes.

    • Mike HC

      I have read the LoHud comments a few times and I know you guys love just one on going conversation all day, regardless of the post, so maybe you guys can jump start the “off topic” thread found on the tabs at the top of the page. It would seem to be perfect for you guys. And instead of either bothering people (most importantly Mike) with your off topic posts or feeling limited because you can only post on topic, you guys can really add a new dimension of RAB and truly “become the highlight” on slow news days if you can get that off-topic thread jumping.

    • The Great Gonzo

      I might recommend becoming Facebook friends with foodie and BSB posters, take those conversations there, and try and keep convos here on topic. There is a successful track record and precident set for that.

      All that said, Welcome LoHud migrants. I’m pretty excited to have some new posters on here to present some different perspective. Just don’t be dicks like the NoMaas kids.

      • Tar

        Don’t do FB, but thanks for the suggestions.

    • Shame Spencer

      :D

      Yeah I can’t pretend I’m not amazing.

      I realized how much of my best material you people get while we were on a sabbatical.

    • Scott

      I would agree with Jim’s assessment of staying on topic. HOwever, the Backstreet boys should NEVER be brought up here, or anywhere else for that reason, unless Tar you are a 14 year old girl.

      • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

        #TeamBackstreetBoys

        #DownWitNSync

  • ac1

    And as I have said many times, and will say until he either gets traded or claimed in August (I still think Lee is the most realistic option for the Yankees). It’s basically a salary dump for the Phillies, and I believe Lee will get back to being Lee after a few more starts.

    • Ys Guy

      no rush on lee, he will be available in august. so will hamels most likely, the phil will probably ask waivers on all of their ageing stars they dont move by the TD.

      • TheStraw

        If Lee gets added in August, and somehow the Yanks get to the playoffs, would he be eligible for the postseason roster? I know there are injury fill-ins and such.

        • Ys Guy

          yes the cutoff for PS eligibility is the last day of ausgust. the yankees have made several august moves over the years.

      • ac1

        The only reason i would not wait until August on Lee is because inevitably someone will put a claim on him. If the Dodgers don’t get Lester or Hamels, they will claim Lee like they have in the past.

  • BKamm

    Refugees from the Jennings blog? Oh geez. I’ve seen some of the stuff from there. Get ready. There goes the neighborhood.

    • HansDavenport

      I know. Left there a few months ago. That place was a mess. They discuss baseball there about 25% of the time. I could get absolutely hateful too.

      • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

        Maybe the extra page views will bring in some more Ad money and Mike can hire a moderator.

        • The Great Gonzo

          or 6.

    • HansDavenport

      It could get absolutely hateful also.

      • Tar

        Nice to know that RAB never gets hateful

        • BKamm

          Seriously, he’s right, it’s not even close. That place was downright scary. This place is fun. There are little jabs but no outright personal attacks, and zero drama. Very pleasant blog.

          • HansDavenport

            Yup. All about baseball.

          • Dalek Jeter

            Thank you for thinking so highly of us…but it can get ugly here from time to time.

            • BigDavey88

              Ted. Nelson.

    • Bob

      I’ve read both blogs for years. Used to comment on lough but got awful over there. Seems kind of difficult to navigate comments here. Any tips?

  • yankeefeminista

    Tar, answered you above.

    • Tar

      Hi Yankeefeminista… thanks for the reply and great to see you. Although I guess i am not allowed to say that… or I might upset some of the the established crowd.

      • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

        Thick skin, dude.

        • Tar

          I find your reply kind of ironic ( it made me laugh). But it’s cool…. i’m just kind of sarcastic at times. My apologies for not having a thick skin….oh crap

          • The Big City of Dreams

            This is going to be interesting.

            • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

              Your comment has been noted.

              • The Great Gonzo

                /Moderator’d.

                BOOM

  • fred robbins

    I hope the Yankees only make trades that will impact the team going forward, past this year. I would prefer to see them find out what they have in prospects. No one knows which young player will work out the best. It could be a first rounder or a 57th round pick. It’s all a crap shoot based on what each team thinks they have in the way of an educated guess. And then there is the injury thing that no one knows about until it happens. And in that light, I would like to see the Yankees not trade away more than a chip or two unless it is for really something substantial. If it also helps this year, fine. But this team is not good, and not really playoff worthy outside of the fact that the other East teams were just as bad or worse.

    Now Tampa is healthy for the most part and playing like they were predicted to be. Toronto is getting players back and I think some of the young current Yankees are getting to the point of being pretty used up for this season.

    They are a mess going forward with CC and Tex and 2nd base and short stop and right field with – at this point- no real answers that seem apparent. That is a lot to correct and find long terms players for those positions. Why not go into spring training and see what they might have for the future.

    This season should not be about giving Jeter a final playoff shot. But it would be great if he gets it without trading away the few young bright spots ready to become the next good players on the team.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      I can get behind this, fred.

  • sotani

    Let’s offer the whole farm for Darvish!

    I’m just kidding… kinda…

  • hey now

    Today and tomorrow are basically the days where you set up shop at MLBTR and keep mashing F5 like a drug-addled monkey.

  • blake

    I shall stick to baseball here and keep all my grilling and bbq secrets to myself.

    • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

      http://riveraveblues.com/off-topic-12/

      Probably a good idea for us to use that more often. But please do not keep grilling and bbq secrets to yourself!

      • blake

        yea I think that’s the thing….doesn’t look like those offtopic threads are actually read all that much.

        • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

          They aren’t currently, but if the LoHud folks want to take it over and put it to good use, I think that’d be a big plus.

          • The Great Gonzo

            OR…. Just have Mike put up a Grilling & BBQing thread somewhere. I could honestly spend more time there than the DoTF & Game Threads combined.

    • Shame Spencer

      What is this place like in the off season? We’re The Worst in the off season.

  • HansDavenport

    Any truth to Baltimore being in on Lester?

    • Shame Spencer

      It looks like every team is in on him. They were saying Toronto, Baltimore, Oakland, LA, and STL were all vying for his services.

      http://www.mlbdailydish.com/20.....-athletics

    • Shame Spencer

      Incidentally… imagining Oakland with Lester makes me a little ill.

      • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

        Yeesh, yeah. That would be pretty bad news for the rest of the AL.

  • Shame Spencer

    Anyone wanna take bets on who will break the first trade report today?

    I still can’t get over this Chris Cotillo kid. He’s not even a college freshman!

    • ac1

      Could be him. One thing we know is whoever does break it, ESPN will report it 15 minutes later and take full credit for it.

  • MTU

    So this is where you all have been hiding.

    :)

  • CountryClub

    As we’ve learned over the years, the trades the Yanks make usually come out of the blue. Very rarely is there a lot of chatter about it from the media beforehand. It’s almost to the point that when you hear that they’re attached to a player that you can rule that player out.

    • CountryClub

      It really makes me think that there’s something in medicals that they don’t like.

  • ac1

    If Cano thought the Yankees 7/175 offer was unreasonable, he should talk to Lester. Sox actually went to their ACE with a 4/70. 17.5 mil per year. That’s less than they gave Lackey both in AAV and years. If that were me, I would have looked at them, shook me head and said, see you in April when im pitching for the Yankees at Fenway.

    • CountryClub

      Man, let me try this for a 3rd time:

      It really makes me think that there’s something in medicals that they don’t like.

    • Bavarian Yankee

      “If that were me, I would have looked at them, shook me head and said, see you in April when im pitching for the Yankees at Fenway.”

      maybe that’s what he actually did :D

      nah, tbh that was an okay offer from the BoSox to start negotiations, they probably didn’t really expect him to accept it, just and offer to get negotiations going. Look at Jered Weaver’s extension from a few years ago: he accepted a 5/85 offer and iirc that was 1 year before he would’ve been a FA. Sometimes players will accept those lowball offers for whatever reason (Pedroia gave Boston a substantial discount too).

    • HansDavenport

      Kind of like what Cano did when they gave an oft injured CF close to what he was offered.

  • MTU

    So this is where you all have decided to hang out now.

    :)

    • coney1

      Oh no. MTU has arrived. Won’t be long before Wanzies is right behind. MTU, any news on the trade front?

      • MTU

        That’s Steve’s department.

  • Tar

    One last off-topic post for me.

    I suggest that all Lohud feuds…. stay at LoHud. Channeling my best Ganhdi I will forgive and forget and try a new beginning. Hi Bret

    • mick

      Really?

      • Tar

        Hi mick

        • mick

          Hey man , how are ya?

    • trr

      We don’t really do the feud thing here…
      This is a public blog, so I say Welcome to anyone.

    • Bret The Hitman

      You spelled Gandhi wrong.

      • The Great Gonzo

        THAT…. is exactly how you start a feud.

  • CountryClub

    It really makes me think that there’s something in medicals that they don’t like.

    • Shame Spencer

      Maybe… but the Sox are in a good position to press reset. They’re coming off a championship year and could build up their system by trading assets like Lester while mapping out the next 2 or 3 FA classes. They’ve done it before in the past and it’s worked.

      • The Great Gonzo

        Don’t let 2013 fool you. It worked well because EVERYTHING went right. Mike Carp and Johnny Gomes and Daniel Nava hit like Mantle Ruth and Jesus Christ Superstar last year. Their management thought that catching fire when overpaying mid-tier players was the new MoneyBall and neglected that they were nothing if not SUPER lucky.

        I don’t have faith in their management putting together a ‘roadmap’ for the next three seasons. Shit, I have more faith in fred robbins or Stuart A-F than I would in Luccino/Cherington

  • MTU

    I missed you all.

    Too bad they destroyed LoHud.

    Glad this flea has a new dog’s back.

  • BKamm

    Exactly what time Thursday is the deadline?

    • tbone1570

      4 PM I believe.

      • BKamm

        Thanks man.

  • mick

    Hey Brett, MTU…is this what LoHud wanted?
    Hope this place doesn’t suffer the same fate.

    • MTU

      Maybe Mick.

      But I think what they really wanted was more hits.

      Doesn’t look like they are doing too good.

      • mick

        MTU

        Has Pat M made it over yet?
        Justa matter of time before Trish and Randy get back ;)

        • Bret The Hitman

          Pat M is in the house. I tried to find out several times if he has heard anything about Matt Kemp via his west coast connections but he hasn’t seen my replies yet – think he’s adjusting to the different format. He was in last night’s game thread and the minor league report thread that followed.

          • Jorge Steinbrenner

            West coast connections? Do tell.

            LoHud certainly had a loooooong history of folks claiming to have mystery inside information. I had no idea this was still going on.

            Do you LoHud folks believe it when other commenters claim to have connections? Just curious. That kind of stuff may be a hard sell with some here.

            • Bret The Hitman

              Yes, the baseball world is interconnected and definitely not leak proof. The problem is even the voices out there assigned the most credibility armed with a massive vault of sources get it wrong more often than not and receive criticism and accusations of rumor mongering. Stuff falls through all the time. It doesn’t mean the talks never occurred. Just look at what we know about Jack Z and how he reneged on the Cliff Lee trade with the Yankees at the last minute. It’s impossible to predict personnel moves even for an insider because these guys change their minds. The failure of deals to come to fruition doesn’t implicate a so-called insider as a fraud imo, it just means deals are in flux and that’s their nature.

              Pat M played AAA ball I think and he pals around with Eddie Guardado and some other former players who know executives/scouts in the Angels and Dodgers organizations. There was a guy Lost in NY on LOHUD who predicted Tex before it happened, knew about our pursuit of Holliday (but was convinced he would be signed) and whiffed on a bunch of other rumors. He is thought to be a fraud as well but I just think even as an insider it’s impossible to get everything right and probable to get most things wrong. I try to gauge what would the motive to lie be? Attention? OK, does the poster claiming connections come across mature? Media clicks? OK, has the poster tried to steer the audience to another website? It’s impossible to prove but I take everything into account.

              Pat M is legit.

              • +1

                HAHA He hasn’t called anything right in years.

                All he can do is tell you what outfits his pool girls are wearing. Or actually how he has dressed up his rubber duckies in his bathroom tub.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      Mike has never given any indication on wanting to change things.

      Now, if we could get back to talking about the trade deadline…

      • HansDavenport

        Grand idea! So after 4 PM Thursday, a player has to be put on waivers 1st? Now, do they have to clear waivers 1st before a trade can be made?

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          If you want to be able to trade the player to anyone other than the team claiming him.

          Otherwise, you’re stuck with the team making the claim.

          • The Great Gonzo

            Likewise, if you are making a claim on a player, you could get handed him for just his contract.

            So, making a claim on Cliff Lee might make sense because Amaro is a jackass and wants all the prospects for him, but a claim on Matt Kemp or Alex Rios could saddle you with the remainder of the albatross contract.

  • TheStraw

    Sounds like the Yanks are still in on Willingham. Would you guys prefer him over Rios. Josh has a little more pop, but gets on base less.

    • Shame Spencer

      It always depends on the cost, but Rios would be my pick without a doubt. Their SLGs are pretty close and Rios is a more consistent hitter (even with his periodic disappearing acts) than Willingham. We don’t really need another guy that hits .230, do we?

      • TheStraw

        He did look pretty good last night.

      • mitch

        all things equal i’d probably take Rios, but in this situation i’d prefer Willingham because he’s cheaper and not locked up past this year.

    • Pkyankfan69

      It’s a shame RAJ is apparently asking ridiculous prices for guys he might as well move… Marlon Byrd is a better fit then Rios or Willingham… Not considering contract or asking price I’d prefer Rios over Willingham.

    • CountryClub

      Jerry Crasnick ?@jcrasnick 5m
      One competing exec says #twins really want to move Willingham, “but I don’t think they’re getting any bites.”

      • Shame Spencer

        Anyone know why Willingham only played 50ish games this year? What the injury was?

        • CountryClub

          wrist fracture after a HBP

    • Bret The Hitman

      Rios for me.

  • MTU

    I’ll catch up w you all later.

    It’s good to see so many familiar faces.

    Have a good one.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      Welcome aboard, MTU.

      I think it’s pretty assumed that people will drop in and out of threads as their busy days allow. There’s no need to publicly sign in and out here.

      • HansDavenport

        You’re going to make a good moderator. :)

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          I’ve been a good one in the past, but it’s not something I’d ever want to take on again.

      • Shame Spencer

        Two cultures are merging here lol.. old habits die hard in some cases.

        I wonder if this is what the first Thanksgiving was like……

        • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

          If it is, us RAB regulars are screeeeewed.

          • Bret The Hitman

            LOL, check the blankets for smallpox.

        • blake

          I don’t think we brought smallpox with us…..I hope not

        • trr

          hopefully, the food was better…

        • Dalek Jeter

          I’ll be using my own blanket, then. Thank you very much.

      • Tar

        Question.

        Isn’t saying goodby (or good morning) not only polite, but also generating page hits and therefore revenue, for RAB and Mike? Or would being polite in this manner be relegated to the off topic thread?

        BTW have to run hey YF and BB catch you later.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          I’d say that Mike would say that it’s not that simple.

          We’ve done just fine here, and people generally like each other, without it ever happening before.

          Like Shame said earlier, a bit of a culture clash is expected. We just gotta roll with it. We’ll all be family soon enough.

        • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

          Another option:

          Attach a hello or goodbye to a more productive comment. Mike is not only in this for page views.

          Even though I suspect at this point you’re just being contradictory for its own sake.

          • Tar

            I have to say, I do find the term “productive comment” kind of troublesome.

            It was a genuine question, with just a twinge of sarcasm in the second sentence. Another question (with no sarcasm) does refreshing the page generate page hits or revenue for RAB? I know I have clicked on the Verizon link twice, just as a way to say thanks. I’m all for the site making as much money as possible. With that I will read any response later as I have to really go now. (How was that for following instruction)

            • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

              A+

            • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

              If it helps, by “productive” all I meant was “something that has some relevance to anything, either the post, or a comment you’re replying to”.

              I’m not going to judge whether you’re commenting productively.

  • http://www.lgjaffe.com Bronx Born

    Howdy Folks

  • yankeefeminista

    Hi Tar, great to see you too. And staying on topic regarding trading, you are defintely an untouchable. ;) And speaking of which I’m not trading Severino. Period. And if we indeed get Pineda back (not holding my breath, and he’s pitching for SI in Sunday if he doesn’t break before then) he’ll give us another option. I’d still rather get another bat; I don’t trust this fragile old offense and especially not after it’s worn down again going into the stretch and exposed against top playoff pitching (if we make it there) against off speed pitching. Been there, done that.

    • bojo

      I would definitely welcome Alex Rios…he always seems to catch fire when traded to new team.

  • craig

    Not sure if this was discussed during the game thread, but yesterday Mike mentioned that Roberts had a bonus coming to him with 2 more AB’s and then he didn’t play yesterday.

    Could they be stalling for Refs or is this just a couple of days off for Roberts?

    • blake

      he has a 250K bonus that kicks in with I think 1 more AB….it’ll be interesting to see if he plays today.

      • CountryClub

        I believe Girardi said yesterday that he’d be getting a couple days off because he was run down. Considering his bat has really slowed recently, they may be better off with Ryan at 2nd and his upgrade on D.

    • Shame Spencer

      Here’s Roberts contract bonus breakdown according to SpotRac:

      Plate Appearances:
      $175,000 each for 250, 300
      $250,000 each for 350, 400
      $300,000 each for 450, 500
      $400,000 each for 600, 650

      He’s at 317 PAs so far.

      • Shame Spencer

        Bah! – He’s at 348 PAs sorry.

    • Yankee Fan 1

      That’s embarrassing if the yankees are sitting Roberts just to save 250K. They aren’t the Mets

      • The Great Gonzo

        Or they’re sitting Roberts because he’s gassed… and to save $250k

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      Pure speculation. I really don’t think that’s what’s happening in the least.

      • HansDavenport

        For the most part he just isn’t very good. If they plan keeping him on the bench, he’ll surely get into more games.

  • Shame Spencer

    What’s the etiquette on posting Twitter updates from the writers..? We used to post them for anyone that didn’t have Twitter.

    • CountryClub

      If it’s on topic, you can do it. This is an open thread, so anything baseball related would be fine.

  • bojo

    This place is going to the dog…arf.

  • ac1

    All the talk is about Refs for replacing Roberts, and Yankees seem to be hesitant. Why is there no talk about Pirela?

    • Shame Spencer

      They still have him playing the OF regularly I think. I’d try anyone else just to see if you could catch lightening in a bottle. It looks like Pirela is doing a pretty nice job at the plate. I don’t really understand the argument about either of these guys being defensive liabilities. Roberts has very limited range and has played a pretty terrible 2B all season.

      • Paisa

        Seems pretty clear that they have no faith in Pirela to be an everyday 2b. If that’s the case then they should just throw Ryan into the fire and take the defensive upgrade.

      • craig

        I don;’ think Pirela is on the 40 man, so they would need to DFA Sizemore if they wanted to go with him.

  • coney1

    Andrew Marchand ?@AndrewMarchand 17m

    Yankees explore deals, keep eye on Cuba http://es.pn/1ldoU7M

    —————

    So basically they are getting nobody, not even the Cuban.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      So Cashman is hanging out by a buoy in Key West with a bunch of 90 year-old exiles claiming he can see the island?

    • bojo

      Reports are that they have a potential deal in place for a box of Cuban cigars…stay tune.

    • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

      Worried about missiles.

    • CountryClub

      Trust me, Marchand has no real info on what the Yanks are doing.

      • The Great Gonzo

        Or on Cubans in general

  • bojo

    This reply function seems like it could make it hard to keep up on newest comments when there are over 300 posts. Is there a way to switch to chronological order?

    • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

      No, there are timestamps.

  • viridiana

    As a long-time LoHud reader who never posted there I’m amazed at how they blew the redesign. Welcome to great LoHud posters like MTU, Shame, Blake, Tom and many others.

    • blake

      Re-designing is one thing….but security was the biggest issue and their solution was to post through Facebook? That’s like the opposite of a solution.

      Anyway….one thing I find difficult here is the mobile version of the site because it’s tough to tell whats a reply and to keep track of the conversation. Given that the number of posts is going to jump dramatically most likely….this may become even more difficult.

      • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

        Mobile version is definitely a weakness. You’ll get used to it though.

      • Giuseppe Franco

        Hey Blake,

        Their “solution” to the security issue is quite mind boggling. They made the problem far worse.

        We don’t need to know everyone’s names and those who simply want to cause trouble can create a dummy FB account in 5 min like I did and hide behind that.

        I wonder if Randy Levine was behind that brilliant decision.

      • bojo

        Consider it good training if you want to develop a full blown case of ADD…oh squirrel!

  • Mike

    Why overpay for Hamels when we can sign both Verlander and Lester in FA?

    I’d rather keep our prospects.

    • TWTR

      Why overpay for anyone?

    • Old Man Time

      I assume you meant Max Scherzer instead of Verlander?

    • http://twitter.com/#!/Clay_Bellinger Clay Bellinger

      I see your logic, but the simple answer is bc FA doesn’t help us in the 2014 pennant race.

    • Get Phelps Up

      Hamels will help us for the rest of this year and be under control past this year for almost certainly less than Lester will get on the open market.

  • will

    Hope the lohuders have thick skin, because people get called out here, and trolled hardcore at times. This is as under-moderated of a yankee discussion site you’ll find on the net, and that’s what i love about riverave. You’re not going to get banned like over on that shizhole nyffans etc… Just for calling some other poster out for being a moron.

    So get used to it.

    • trr

      I didn’t know we were so hardcore here!
      GRRRRRR

  • Comet

    Hi Guys. I’d wondered where you had all gone!

  • Exiledintampa

    I figured after reading some long time RAB comments to lohudders I should read the guidlines here. The second paragraph says, ” Drop by and say HI any time.”

    Hi guys!!

    • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

      There are a lot of guidelines that have evolved.

      But hi!

      • King George

        You’ve literally replied to every single new poster here. I get that you’re trying to set the boundaries, but let your guard down a little bit. More people *CAN* be better sometimes. Let people figure out the ropes for a bit and then if there’s any issues or off-topic posts, we can approach them.

        • The Big City of Dreams

          It will take some getting used to. I’m sure the Lohud members never interned to just migrate over here. If they had their wish they would still be over there. I agree let them figure things out as they go along. Trying to police the blog might cause more issues then there already are.

        • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

          My reply here was completely innocuous and I welcomed him.

          You, however, can suck a bag of dicks, asshole.

        • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

          “Let people figure out the ropes for a bit and then if there’s any issues or off-topic posts, we can approach them.”

          They aren’t “figuring out the ropes”, they’re bitching about the ropes in the FIRST thread.

          I’ve been perfectly cordial with 95% of the LoHud members. You’ve harped on two of the posters who rubbed me the wrong way and have apparently decided I’m being a jailor.

          I’m not. But if people just expect this to be LoHud part 2, they can find another blog. If they want to join an existing community of generally knowledgeable and intelligent baseball fans, they’re welcome here.

          tl;dr, you aren’t my mom. She’s upstairs making me lunch.

        • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

          And you’re wrong. I have not replied to every new poster.

          In fact, right above this nested comment thread, I didn’t say Hi to comet.

          Hi, comet!

    • bojo

      Hi!

  • blake

    Garder LF
    Jeter SS
    Ellsbury CF
    Tex 1B
    Beltran DH
    McCann C
    Rios RF
    Headley 3B
    Refsyder 2B

    or however you stack it…..I could get down with that.

    • TWTR

      It would have been great…five years ago.

      • Pkyankfan69

        Although an 18 year old Refsnyder might have struggled a bit going directly from high school ball to starting 2B of the Yankees.

        • TWTR

          He’d still be better than the current version of Roberts.

          • bojo

            5 years ago Roberts would have been…well, 5 years younger.

            • TWTR

              And on the DL?

              • Get Phelps Up

                5 years ago Brian Roberts played 159 games, hit 56 doubles and had a 118 OPS+.

                • TWTR

                  Shit happens.

              • craig

                I laughed…cried a little…and then laughed again.

          • Pkyankfan69

            I wouldn’t doubt that

        • Dalek Jeter

          PAH!!!!!!!!!! Play teh kidz I say! let ‘em take their lumps! Back in my day we called kids up at the age of 12 and they walke 5 miles in the snow to the ball park. Up hill. Both ways.

          • TWTR

            Here’s the thing: Everyone started out as a kid.

  • mick taylor

    morneau would be the best hitter in yankeee stadium

    • Get Phelps Up

      Yeah, I hear Coors Field is an awful place to hit.

      • The Great Gonzo

        I laughed.

  • Pete22

    Long time fan of Rab articles but never posted here before doing most of that at Lohud before they broke it

    Ridiculously easy schedule post ASB thus far, but I like what Cash has done the past month. Another bat and SPer would be nice but even w/o that I think a WC spot is within reach. Maybe Pineda can be ready for the post season. I think Tanaka is done for the year, but he is a warrior so maybe he proves me wrong, and that would be huge for the post season

  • CountryClub

    Jerry Crasnick ?@jcrasnick 7m
    Hearing #redsox are asking for teams’ best prospects for Andrew Miller. Might have to drop price to make a deal happen.

    ——

    unreal

    • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

      I mean I envision most negotiations starting with:

      “Here’s who we want to give you. Can we have prospect 1 or 2?”
      “No.”
      “Ok, what about 3 or 4?”
      “No.”
      “5 or 6?”
      “Closer.”

      • King George

        Haha, exactly

      • trr

        they better not ask for our closer!

    • Dalek Jeter

      Somebody (Lucchino and/or Cherington) have been hanging out with RAJ in Phillie with his “4 top prospects and you take on all the salary.”

  • Nathan

    My money is on a very small acquisition.

  • Yankee Trader

    Glad to see many familiar face, or web names.

    Any interest in lefty Brett Anderson, 26 yo,60.4 % ground ball rate, back from a broken finger from a bunt attempt?

  • McLovin

    Brett Anderson would be a great pickup, it’s always nice to have guys on the team that are funny on twitter. Seriously, I hope Cash makes a move for Willingham.

    • ac1

      This was my argument for keeping McCarthy.
      Because his wife is a good twitter follow and not bad on the eyes either.

      • McLovin

        Twitter should always be taken into consideration ;)

  • ac1

    Hearing #redsox are asking for teams’ best prospects for Andrew Miller. Might have to drop price to make a deal happen.
    ___

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Best prospect for a middle reliever?

    Is Cherington drunk?

    • Y’s Guy

      G.M.s should stop with this “he’s available but we’d have to be overwhelmed’ stuff. either the guy is available or he’s not. im sure some crazy owner could ‘overwhelm’ the dodgers and get kershaw if they had a spare half a billion lying around with nothing to do, but that crap is weak. and probably why you tend to hear it from the jack z’s and ruben amarro’s the most.

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        Why? It has its purpose.

      • RetroRob

        It’s a negotiating tactic.

  • Wayne

    What would Athletics ask for Tommy Millone?
    I would appreciate an honest answer from you guys and not the typical joke of an answer.

  • ruthbuilt3

    Hole Camels!!!!

  • trr

    Wayne, I’m sure he’s available and the price shouldn’t be sky-high, but the question is: do we really want him?

  • BXJOE

    Oh Oh Looks like Lester is on his way to Baltimore!

    • Cal norton jr.

      Where are you getting this info from? I’ve read they are discussing it but nothing’s close.

      • RetroRob

        I suspect he’s just repeating what’s being said elsewhere, meaning that there is a rumor the teams are talking. That’s way short of a deal happening. Hope it doesn’t. That’s actually one of the worst scenarios for the Yankees. Lester doesn’t go away, he pitches for the team they’re chasing, and the Red Sox end up getting some of the Orioles best talent. I guess the only thing that would make it worse is if Lester then goes back to the Red Sox, so they keep him and get good young prospects.

  • joeman

    one way or the other Lester is out of Boston

  • RetroRob

    St. Louis had to give up a nice (and former first-rounder) prospect in James Ramsey, who is triple slashing .300/.389/.527, to get Masterson, who has sucked, is injured, and is a three month rental. Granted, he wasn’t anything special his first two seasons and he’s now 24, but it speaks a lot about this market that the Indians were able to score a legit player for a broken down rental.

    Yankees should not be in this pitching market. They can’t afford it.

    • mustang

      Agree.

  • http://riveraveblues austinmac

    I am amazed at what players are bringing in return. The Red Sox are fire selling at a good time.

    Brett Anderson is not,apparently, on the market. The Yankees were said to have asked.

    The good news is we likely won’t face Lester over the weekend.

  • Cal norton jr.

    Lester to the orioles hurts us. Say what you want about it but the guy can pitch and they can hit. I have a hard time believing we won’t do anything knowing jeters done after this season. I’m not saying they will sell the farm but I do believe some moves with come quick.

  • TheRealGreg

    jaysonst Jayson Stark
    Source says #Mariners are “out” on Marlon Byrd. Still some legs to rumblings linking Byrd & #Yankees but Yankees wary of 2016 vesting option

  • mustang

    I heard on the FAN that Lester was heading to O’s but I can’t find anyway online.

    • wanzies222

      Bad intel.

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        Can you give us some proof that you have access to info that no one else has? Thank you.

        Let’s all be friends and all that, but we don’t need “LoHud Soothsayer #80″ on here.

        • HansDavenport

          There were more then a few over there. 80? Maybe so.

          • Jorge Steinbrenner

            I was around over there when SJ44 was around. I know there was another guy afterwards.

            This whole “I have cryptic inside info” thing……I don’t know.

  • The Great Gonzo

    Ken RosenthalVerified account ?@Ken_Rosenthal

    #Marlins on Lackey, per @jonmorosi. #Indians believed to be (Francona reunion?). Two teams that are not, per sources: #Angels #Brewers

    Why would the Indians trade Masterson (a rental) to have significant interest in Lackey (another rental), considering that:

    - They will probably have to give up the same level prospect they just got for Masterson (if not more)
    - Lackey is disgruntled and already threatening to retire next season instead of play for the league minimum team option in his contract
    - They are kinda on the fringe of contending
    - He’s kind of a dick.

    This makes no kind of sense to me.

    • King George

      Because he has a $500k salary next year.

  • EndlessJose

    So $6 million is perfect for Ichiro but a Minor league deal for Reynolds and $8 million for Byrd is expensive.

    Cash and the Brass do have some weird logic.

    • King George

      Reynolds got paid quite a bit more after he made the club with Milwaukee in comparison to what he would have made on the big league team with the Yankees. And I can speak with 100% knowledge of that situation.

  • nsalem

    Yankees are wary of giving 8 million for one year after giving Suzuki 13 million to play two years. Okay

    • RetroRob

      Doesn’t Byrd have an option for 2016 that gets tripped with a certain number of PAs? Rumor was he might want that year guaranteed if traded, which makes me wonder: Did the Phillies give him an no-trade clause? What the hell were they thinking? It’s Marlon Byrd, for godsakes.

  • Jorge Steinbrenner

    Rob Dibble does a radio show on ESPN Radio in CT with a guy who, I swear, must have an IQ below 70, if you know what I mean.

    They came up with this brilliant trade proposal this afternoon.

    Mets send David Wright and Noah Snydergaaaaaard (or whatever his name is) to the Rockies for Tulo and CarGo.

    They seriously proposed this.

    How do people get radio shows? You could have me, Jim, and Dalek Jeter do a radio show for half the salary. I’d be the smartass, Jim would be grumpy, and Dalek Jeter would shout out sabremetrics all day. We’d even invite sportzphan on as a mascot and have him interview Jorge De La Rosa.

    #naked

    • RetroRob

      So the collective IQ of the two hosts is 100? Perhaps I’m being too generous with Dibble.

  • RetroRob

    I don’t think wanting Bastardo or Russell says anything about Thornton. They’re just looking for another arm and another lefty.

    Of course, there is their number one selection from this year’s draft, striking out every other batter he faces. I’m guessing he’s more of an option for next year, but wouldn’t mind seeing what he has come September.

  • mustang

    I’m Calling Emilio Bonifacio and Byrd to Yankees.

    • mustang

      Can’t see and may not even want see the Yankees meeting the price for starting pitching .

  • http://rab.com Michael Cutler

    Sanchez Refsnyder Judge Servino Obrien and Banuelos for CarGo and Tulo

  • j

    sad about lohud. good to know some of those long-time posters are here now.

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