Jul
04

Athletics trade for Samardzija … and Hammel

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The Athletics have acquired both Jeff Samardzija and Jason Hammel from the Cubs, according to Ken Rosenthal. Top prospect Addison Russell is among those going to Chicago. The Yankees need pitching and both Samardzija and Hammel figured to be on their radar. Forget that now.

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  1. Grant says:

    Great move for the A’s. I would go all in if I were them too. They look really good now to go far now. Happy fourth everybody!

  2. Tom says:

    Apparently Dan Straily and Billy Mckinney as well on the A’s side (A ball OF prospect who’s probably 2nd or 3rd in the A’s organization – though their farm is kind of thin)

    Seems like a crazy overpay by the A’s, but since it’s Beane I’m sure it will be assumed to be brilliant.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner says:

      Not seeing it. McKinney underperforming a small but in A ball, and Straily a 25 year-old starter who’s already been demoted. Two legit starting pitchers for a top prospect? You make that trade.

      • Mikhel says:

        “Two legit starting pitchers”

        Hammel before 2014:
        4.80 ERA, 4.33 FIP, 1.440 WHIP, 93 ERA+, 6.5 K/9, 3.1 BB/9

        Samardzija before 2014:
        4.19 ERA, 3.94 FIP, 1.355 WHIP, 97 ERA+, 8.3 K/9, 3.8 BB/9

        Sure, they are legitimate starting pitchers since both of them are starters and not part time starters, but nothing more.

        It reminds me of their Ryan “Dumpster” trade, who had before he was traded to the Rangers in 2012:
        4.41 ERA, 4.27 FIP, 1.450 WHIP, 97 ERA+, 7.8 K/9, 4.1 BB/9

        Both could benefit from pitching in the Oakland Coliseum, but a lot of pitchers do. Maybe the A’s overpaid for a year and a half for a pair of pitchers who are having their best season of their careers.

      • ALZ says:

        I know. With some of the trade packages thrown out there they didn’t give up all that much. I thought Hoyer would be going for more than this between the two. Like some people here were ready to give up Judge, Sanchez, and Severino for him.

      • Preston says:

        McKinney is a first round pick out of HS that skipped from short season last year to High A. The fact that he’s posting a 93 wRC+ is pretty impressive. He turned 19 two weeks ago.

    • Rick says:

      It may have cleaned their system today but wait after this year they will capitalize by trading Samardjiza elsewhere but a boatload of prospects.

      • Mikhel says:

        Next year they they would be trading half a year of Samardzija (with Hammel hitting FA this offseason), not precisely a boatload they could get in return.

        • D$1184 says:

          Especially since the acquiring team would not even be able to pick up a draft pick then if he left via free agency. It would be risking a lot. The only way you deal for Shark next year is if you feel really, REALLY strongly that you’re one good pitcher away from winning the whole thing.

  3. Charles says:

    So who’s left? McCarthy? If NY is planning on making a run and expects Brandon McCarthy to be the impact move that boosts them into the playoffs, then they’re in trouble.

    • Quañilo Pendejo says:

      I see McCarthy, Kennedy, Feldman, Tyson Ross, Cashner(DL), lee(DL), Kendrick, Arrieta, Price, Keuchel, shall I keep going? Anyway, an someone make a post about free agent starting pitchers still out there, I mean Solarte and wheeler are both career minor leaguers that are gonna have a big impact for us. THERE HAS TO BE AT LEAST ONE PITCHER OUT THERE THY CAN SURPRISE PLEASE SOMEONE FIND OUT WHO! Has to be a like 30 year old starter that never got his chance but had a low era and nice strikeout ratio.

      • Mikhel says:

        “30 year old starter that never got his chance but had a low era and nice strikeout ratio”

        Those already are in the majors, and not really available.

  4. The Curse of Eduardo Nunez says:

    sooooooooooooooo now what? Colon?

  5. TheRealGreg says:

    The deal is for Addison Russell, Billy McKinney (2013 1st rounder), Dan Straily, and a PTBNL.

  6. Frank says:

    Good for the A’s. Their looking real good.

  7. Danny says:

    Evidently we’re part of a 3 teamer with them and it fell through … we were suppose to get Hammel and Russell … Idk if I buy this .. but speculate

  8. Raza says:

    Russell was a good get for the Cubs.

    The A’s have put a good amount of distance between them and any other potential contender in the AL.

  9. MPierce says:

    I was just thinking today that the A’s should gave after Price, because it’ll give them an insane rotation next season when Parker and Griffin while fielding a World Series worthy rotation this year. Samardzija works for that too.

    • Cool Lester Smooth says:

      You’d think they could have gotten Price for a similar package, though, and I’d rather have him than Shark and Hammel.

      • MPierce says:

        Agreed.

      • Preston says:

        Maybe the Rays are legitimately thinking they can get back in the race and aren’t selling, they have won 8 of their last 10, so they’re probably going to wait to the deadline to see where they’re at. Seems silly to wait on Price when he might not be made available. This way they get 3 extra weeks of Shark and Hammel too. I still think it’s an overpay.

  10. nycsportzfan says:

    Watch, they’ll fall off now somehow just because why? Baseball is crazy of course.

    I’ve been super high on Addison Russell this yr(sucks he got hurt though) and asked Mike if he thought I was crazy liking Russell as much as Correa and Lindor and I believe he didn’t think that was crazy. So what i’m getting at is the A’s did give up a player in my opinion whos gonna be one of the best players in the league for yrs to come. I know its a small sample but this kid is good, really really good.

  11. Shaq says:

    @MaxWildstein

    Source: There was a three team trade involving #Yankees with #Cubs and #Athletics but it fell through.

    @MaxWildstein

    #Yankees almost got Hammel and Russell. Deal fell thru. Got nothing as #Cubs got Russell and #Athletics got Hammel.

    • TheRealGreg says:

      Don’t buy it because I don’t know what the Yankees would have had to give up in that possible deal.

    • RetroRob says:

      I wouldn’t be surprised if the Yankees were in there trying to get Hammel, but how they would have got Russell too is a mystery. They’d have to part with Refsnyder, Sanchez and Severino and more.

  12. AndrewYF says:

    A’s waaaaay overpaid. Russell was a fantastic prospect, and not only that, but they gave up another one of their top prospects, in addition to Straily, who has lost a bit of shine but still has potential. And who knows who the PTBNL is.

    The Yankees don’t have a prospect even close to Russell in terms of potential. A similar deal in terms of Yankee prospects would be pre-trade Montero, pre-crap Mason Williams, post-debut Kennedy, and someone else. For a couple of years of pitchers, who aren’t exactly best-in-class. And it’s not like the A’s were struggling and this puts them over the top. They were already the prohibitive favorites to win it all.

    Not impressed with Beane on this one.

    • vicki says:

      i’m not saying samardzija and hammel were worth addison, but beane’s not done. he has a surplus of starters now; i assume he’ll move one for some kind of bat.

    • ALZ says:

      No it wouldn’t have.
      The A’s gave up one top prospect, nobody else in that trade was anywhere near a pre-crap Williams. The A’s farm is awful, just because it’s several of their top 10 doesn’t mean it would be same for us.

  13. vicki says:

    gray/kazmir/shark/hammel/milone or chavez.

    damn.

  14. Frank says:

    Wonder if this move makes Castro expendable.

    • vicki says:

      starlin, hell. what about javier baez?

      • Tom says:

        Decent chance he ends up at 3rd. Supposedly real good arm but so-so range (for a SS)

        • vicki says:

          kris bryant is a third baseman.

          • Tom says:

            Ahhh… totally forgot about him. He (Baez)could end up as corner OF too – certainly has the bat for it (then again they have a few OF prospects too in Soler and Almora)

            Man the Cubs are loaded with MI prospects they have Alcantara too, who’s a SS/2nd baaseman in AA.

            Probably doesn’t bode well for Olt or Castro.

            • Cool Lester Smooth says:

              Castro’s signed longterm for big money. He’s not going anywhere, unless they get a massive package for him.

              This deal does free them up to make that trade, if the package is right, but it more likely makes Baez expendable next year.

            • ALZ says:

              Olt hitting .150/.232/.340 in his career is his problem.

  15. soxhata says:

    Beane doesn’t make excuses,or tell the press that he’s ready to rock and roll.He gets what he wants and 90 percent of the time,he wins the trade.When they played us last time,only 2 players on the 25 man roster were homegrown.He’s done it through trades,FA signings,all the while keeping a 70 million dollar payroll.Good trade

    • Jorge Steinbrenner says:

      And the A’s haven’t done jackshit since the Bash Brothers were there, while we’ve won five championships since.

      Nonetheless, I think it’s a good trade for them.

  16. W.B. Mason Williams says:

    Almost a relief that it’s happened.

    To think what would have had to come out of our system to match that…

  17. Kenny says:

    Yankees best bet now might to get Ian Kennedy back. Or really convince San Diego to trade Tyson Ross. Ross would take a massive package though.

    I’m fine giving up Sanchez, Williams, Murphy, Austin and any upper guy. Just keep Judge, Jagielo, Clarkin, and Severino

  18. Jorge Steinbrenner says:

    I like this deal for the A’s. Farm was thin to begin with this. Might as well go all in there.

    Interesting to see if there’s any legs to this Yanks-as-third-team thing.

    They weren’t getting Samardzija, and Hammel was looking to be an overpay with his recent performance. Still, where do we look next?

  19. nycsportzfan says:

    What about Jorge De La Rosa to take over for Nuno? Shoulden’t cost overly much, hes a Lefty, and has been mostly solid in his career. Could use a change of scenery after 10yrs in Colorado, all though he did go to the WS with the ROcks once obviously. Even in a kinda bad yr, hes on pace for 15wins. If they could make this happen quick for a couple B prospects, i’d give it a go.

    Then you can look for a bigger fish while all ready having De La Rosa. Obviously it’ll take more time now with both Hammel and Samardzjia gone.

    • nycsportzfan says:

      Maybe we figure a way to get a Wade Miley or something, but at least we’ll rid ourselves of Nuno, as I think De La Rosa is clear upgrade.

  20. vicki says:

    collateral impact is oakland, which already had a good rotation, has jock-blocked other contenders who may have needed one more starter at the deadline. twice over.

  21. Tom says:

    Secondary impact:

    Do the Cubs put Starlin Castro on the block this winter? And would the Yankees consider that as a future SS solution?

  22. hornblower says:

    Please stop with the trade talk unless it’s a small deal. The Yanks have no core of players. Until they do any big deal is nonsense.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner says:

      You need a “core of players” in order to make trades?

      Whether they’re in it or not, they can’t afford to be running starters out there who are barely giving them five innings. That impacts more than the starting pitchers. They need to be in the market for a starting pitcher.

      • hornblower says:

        A small deal. Take some money but no players who have a future. Guys like Lee can be had for just money at this point. Kennedy would be a good pickup but the Padres have no GM.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner says:

          That depends, to me.

          If you can make a deal for someone who will remain a part of this team for longer than the immediate future, you take a strong look at it. I’d agree with you on expensive rentals or “hot” overpays, such as what I was fearing Hammel was going to become.

        • Cool Lester Smooth says:

          Kennedy is a worse version of Phil Hughes. It’s hilarious that so many people who hated Hughes want Kennedy now.

  23. Kyle Faust says:

    Cliff Lee and Cole Hamels now on Yankees radar

    • hornblower says:

      Lee is owed about 30 mil. and Hammels about 80. No chance unless the Phils. eat most of it.

      • Bill says:

        Why? They’re both still good pitchers and the plan to get under the luxury tax is out the window given that even with ARod off the books for a year they couldn’t do it and couldn’t really field a competitive team. The Yankees will continue to spend.

  24. nycsportzfan says:

    Our stud IF prospect smacked his 4th HR as a TripleA Player and drove in 3 and is now hitting 333BA at Scranton. That be REF!

  25. Brandon says:

    The Cubs just did to Oakland what they’ve done to Texas previous two seasons. Get a pitcher’s value to skyrocket before free agency then deal them to a contender who wants to go for it, robbing them of their rich, juicy prospects

  26. jgibs says:

    What’s preventing the A’s from flipping Hammel or Samardjia? Besides common sense of course.

  27. Rambis says:

    Where did you hear we were possibly in on a three-way deal? I don’t know what we could have given up to get Russell and Hammel back, but Russell would have been incredible to get.

    • Rambis says:

      Nevermind, I just saw the posts referencing the tweets.

    • Yanks says:

      A guy who looks like he’s 16 in Max Wildstein. Not that he isn’t legit, and he has been in on deals in the past, but dang the guy looks young. If it weren’t prospects, there’s only one guy on a team friendly contract I could think that those teams would want: Brett Gardner (plus more, but still).

  28. yankeepankee says:

    Folks,
    Cashy should look at Ross Detwiler.
    Buried in Nats pen and complaining he wants to start.
    The Nats are shopping him. We can stretch him out and we need middle relief and another lefty in the meantime anyway.
    He looked good in recent 4-innings of shutout pitching vs. Brewers, so he won’t need much stretching.
    He’s better than Nuno, Whitley or Phelps.
    He’d help us.
    Regards.

  29. Yanks says:

    Baseball Report ?@NickHamelinMLB 4m
    Don’t be surprised if the #Yankees make a move for one of the #Cubs 3 SS. They were the 3rd team originally part of the Samardzija deal.

    Not sure how legit he is, but obviously it makes sense on paper.

    • Yankeefan91 says:

      we have to make a trade for one of their shorstop.

      • Yanks says:

        I’d do it for Castro or Russell. I’d want Baez, but I don’t think he’s a SS long term and his K rate scares the crap out of me.

        • Dalek Jeter says:

          I will drive Sanchez and Co. to the airport right now if it gets us Starlin Castro.

          • D$1184 says:

            Acquiring Castro would put the Yankees in the awkward position of “Who moves off shortstop for this season–Jeter or Castro?” We all know Jeter SHOULD but we also know that, in this victory tour of a season, that’s not going to happen. Acquiring a prospect who can spend the season in the minors eliminates that problem.

  30. Mister D says:

    Bad, bad trade for Oakland. But it makes sense if Beane is gone within the next 12-18 months.

    • Yanks says:

      If they win a WS, it’s a fine deal even if they lose a potential star like Russell. They really need that WS win.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner says:

      Death. Taxes. Hugging someone else’s prospects.

    • Dalek Jeter says:

      Disagree, Russel is probably at least a year or two away and Oakland’s window is probably closing at that point…I mean, even if Russel is the second coming of Derek Jeter or A-Rod, he’s still a few years away and in my mind this trade makes Oakland the favorite in the AL by a healthy margin.

      • Mister D says:

        I disagree two-fold; that (1) it makes Oakland “healthy margin” favorites or (2) that trading pre-debut Jeter or Rodriguez could ever be worth it to increase short window odds.

        • Mister D says:

          Oooo, I put “that” inside the second number. That diminishes my overall point.

          • Dalek Jeter says:

            No, I got your meaning completely, and I think your opinion is valid…more on your second point than your first, because the AL is just so incredibly mediocre across the board that going from “good” to “very good” is enough to make you the favorite in my mind. And there is still the chance that Addison fails and in 3 years the A’s are going to look like geniuses. I mean, not to long ago Jesus Montero had the potential to be “the next Miguel Cabrera.”

            • Mister D says:

              Get that, but the position makes all the difference to me. Which means I value Russell now more than I ever would have valued Cabrera then, so risk acknowledged.

          • Cool Lester Smooth says:

            What if you don’t think you’ll be able to compete in the 6 years you’ll control them, and you know you can’t sign them longterm?

            • Mister D says:

              I think that speaks to my belief Beane might be cashing in.

              • RetroRob says:

                Yes. Oakland is in a position to win it all this year, and that’s the one thing that Beane lacks for all his success. He’s going all in. Plus, the A’s farm system is not as strong now as it’s been in the past, so if they don’t win in the next year or two, they will be heading for another rebuild. Beane sees that, so he’s going for it. Makes sense to me.

  31. Nuke Guy says:

    I’m interested if the reports about the Yankees being interested in one of the Cubs’ shortstops are true. Of course they have interest in Castro, but I’m not sure about Russell or Baez. I’d be all over Castro if I were the Yankees. The other two are unproven minor leaguers and Castro has proven he can handle the big leagues just fine- not to mention he is only 24 I believe.

    I would love for the Yankees to land Castro but I would hate seeing Refsnyder, Judge, or Severino go. Unfortunately, at least one would have to go to land him.

    • hornblower says:

      Stop playing GM. The Yanks have to build a core with homegrown talent.

      • Nuke Guy says:

        I would have no problem with the Yankees sending off several minor leaguers for Castro. I’d like to see a lot more homegrown talent, but I don’t give a shit if every single player on their 40-man roster is from another team as long as they can compete.

      • W.B. Mason Williams says:

        That sentence is almost completely devoid of meaning.

      • Rob says:

        Exactly.

        The trade makes sense for the A’s – they are a great team already and should go all in.

        The Yankees are in no where near the same position and making any trades like that would only sacrifice the future in order to win 85 games instead of 79 and still not win the world series.

        • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

          Trading for Castro would be as much, or probably more, about the future than it would be for this year.

      • Jorge Steinbrenner says:

        The Yankees have to win ballgames.

        Castro is still 24 years old and plays a position the team is going to be in dire need of. You don’t stop that conversation right off the bat.

        • Dalek Jeter says:

          “Castro is still 24 years old and plays a position the team is going to be in dire need of.”

          Add on top of that that he hit .307/.341/.432 good for a 109wRC+ and 3.1 fWAR in 2011, .283/.323/.430 for a 98wRC+ in 2012 and another 3.1 fWAR in 2012, and has bounced back from his adimitadly terrible year least year to the tune of .288/.334/.470 and a wRC+ of 120. It’s also worth pointing out his BABIP was down .40 points from his career norm in 2013 and is good for 10-15 homers and ~20 steals a year. Give me all of Starlin Martin if he’s available.

      • Now Batting says:

        Ya like the A’s! Oh wait

    • Jorge Steinbrenner says:

      I don’t necessarily think any of them have to go for Castro.

      • Nuke Guy says:

        I’m not saying they fell like they have to go for Castro, but undoubtedly there will be some interest there. The shortstop market isn’t impressive. Castro is young, controlled, and can hit just fine. I’d be pretty damn interested.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner says:

          So would I, but those aren’t the team’s only chips.

        • Nuke Guy says:

          Read the reply wrong, whoops.

          I don’t know about that. It would be tough to work out a trade for one of the best and youngest shortstops in the game.

          If I had to guess, it would be Judge and Sanchez at least. You’d still probably have to throw in a couple of decent prospects like Katoh, Burawa, Jagielo, or Banuleos.

          I could be wrong though. I don’t know.

      • Cool Lester Smooth says:

        It would have to be Sanchez+one of those three headlining the trade, IMO. Castro’s 24 and signed longterm. He’s gonna be expensive as fuck.

        And I’d do it in a second.

      • W.B. Mason Williams says:

        Yeah Castro would definitely be expennnnnnsive.

        The Cubs lack pitching prospects if I remember correctly, some maybe they’re asking for one of Clarkin or Severino to start the conversation.

        Severino, O’Brien and Mitchell as a general guide?

        *MTPS CAVEAT*

  32. Cuso says:

    This can be good. May prevent the Yanks FO from making stupid deals that will have little to no effect if BOTH Samardjiza and Hammel are gone.

  33. mustang says:

    Cashman making a move soonish

  34. JGYank says:

    What!!!??? Both?

    Do they even have that much of a need for a starter?

    It’s official the As are a super team.

    • Dalek Jeter says:

      Yeah, I said further up, this makes them the favorite for the AL pennant by a healthy margin. Rotation of Shark/Gray/Hammel/Chavez/and a warm body is fantastic and the second best line up according to fWAR in baseball? They’re going to be tough to beat. They just need an average bullpen.

      • Nuke Guy says:

        Don’t forget Kazmir.

      • JGYank says:

        Yep. So do they get to negotiate an extension with the guys they traded for? (Particularly Shark)

        Basically the As are amazing right now, and the Cubs will be whenever the bulk of their prospects finish developing.

        • RetroRob says:

          I’d be surprised there’s a window to negotiate an extension. I don’t see them offering Samardzija enough for him to consider an extension. Not the A’s style. They have him through 2015. This is about them pushing the chips forward and going for it all this year.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner says:

          If enough of them develop.

    • Tom says:

      They needed at least 1 starter

      Gray is in his first full year – he might have to be shutdown at some point. Or with these guys on board they could phantom DL him during the season for a bit and maybe save some innings for the playoffs. Gray’s high is ~150IP and he’s already at 110 this year

      Chavez is basically an older version of Whitley – a career reliever who just was converted to starter this year so he also may have innings issues or run out of gas. He might already be at his career high in innings right now.

  35. RetroRob says:

    So what are the Cubs now planning with Castro at short on the MLB, signed to a good contract; top prospect Javier Baez at short at AAA; and now Russell showing up ready to move to AAA. They could leave Russell at AA for a bit, but seems obvious more moves to come.

    • Farewell Mo says:

      Russell SS, Baez 3B and flip Castro for a good young starter? Theo is gonna be a rock star if these prospects pan out.

      • Nuke Guy says:

        Kris Bryant at 3B. I think I’ve heard they’re thinking about moving Baez into the outfield.

        • RetroRob says:

          Yes, I didn’t mention Bryant, but that’s why I was wondering what they have planned. Bryant is third base and his star is brighter than Baez’s right now. Who do they have a second? Could move Baez that direction. Could move Castro, too, either to second or as part of a trade. One of these guys will get traded, it seems.

          • Farewell Mo says:

            It’s a pretty nice problem to have with all that young talent.

            • RetroRob says:

              Totally.

              I don’t entirely dismiss the “three team” rumor, with the Yankees being the third team. The Cubs might not have wanted Russell, but instead were looking for some other prospects, so maybe the Yankees were in there offering Sanchez and maybe Severino (the Cubs are short on pitching prospects) and maybe the Yankees fell out if they were asking for too many of the team’s prospects.

              The idea that the Yankees might have Russell and Refsynder at SS and 2B would be a great one.

          • Nuke Guy says:

            I’d guess Russell at SS, Baez at 2B, and Bryant at 3B. With Rizzo at 1st, that looks like it could be a kick-ass infield in a couple of years.

            Gotta guess that Castro is the one to go. They’ll be able to net a lot for him in a trade. Controlled, signed, and young.

            • RetroRob says:

              I do get the felling that the Cubs are right on the cusp of turning the corner, although their pitching might have just been dealt a short-term setback. That’s their biggest issue right now. Pitching.

            • Evan3457 says:

              Cubs also have a pretty good prospect in Alcantara at 2B in AAA, who was a top 100 prospect himself before this season, is only one year older than Baez and he’s actually outhitting Baez so far this year.

          • Tom says:

            They have a guy named Alcantara likely to be their 2nd baseman (in AAA right now). He is in the top 10 in their system; probably ~5 right behind the big guys – Bryant/Baez/Soler/Almora.

            He was yet another SS prospect; might even have been plus defensively. Not quite the bat of the other guys and strikes out a bit, but pretty good and a switch hitter. Also has above average speed (but not Gardner type wheels)

            I wonder if he could be a stealth guy to trade for.

  36. Farewell Mo says:

    Ballsy move by Beane to go all in. Russell was a steep price to pay though for Shark, who’s been kind of shitty for the last month but they were short starting pitching IMO to be a serious WS contender and that problem should now be solved.

    • Joe C says:

      Naw, this is an overpay for a pair of incredibly average pitchers. It wasn’t worth the price and i don’t see how it makes them better or makes them the ‘favorites’ so to speak. They’re not that good. I’m sorry. Neither pitcher is that good. I know they’re both having career years and all but I’m always suspicious of average players who are having career years. I would not have made this deal and I’m glad cash didn’t make that deal. it would have been a disaster. For once he did the right thing.

  37. Nathan says:

    Who else is there that can be of a legit help to the Yankees? And Price isn’t getting traded within the division…

  38. W.B. Mason Williams says:

    Beltre may be the most meaningful move we could make at this point, him or Castro. Obviously both are unlikely.

  39. When I read Russell I thought that the Yankees were on the verge of acquiring James Russell, the relief pitcher for the Cubs. Maybe it’s just me, but if we need an extra relief pitcher, I’d gun for that Russell.

  40. Joe C says:

    Quite Frankly, if Smardzia and Hammels were the best starting pitching options then their really weren’t any good starting pitching options out their. AS one poster has already pointed out outside of this season their career numbers weren’t anything to write home about. To be perfectly honest with you, i’d be a bit learly of incredibly average vernon parsons type starting pitchers who have had one ‘great year.’ I really would be leary of them because they seem to be a perfect waste when you think about it. They’re never going to live up to the one brilliant year. They’re going to revert back to their previous form and you’re going to end up paying premium money for s sub .500 pitcher. Believe me, that looks bad in the long run.

    For once, i don’t blame Brian Cashman for this. I really don’t because theyre are probably better options out there. Possibly David Price. I know it’s a long shot but I’d much rather have him on my staff because he’s got a proven track record. He’s not some Johnny come lately having a career year. I also think he could handle the pressure of pitching in New York. Not sure those other two would.

    Beside there is something else to consider here. The ex-cubs factor. A few years back I heard an awesome statistic that stated that no team that had three or more ex-cubs on its roster had ever won a pennant. AS the theory went the Cubs are a cursed franchise and if you acqire to many of their players it will rub off on your franchise. The Yankees already have two ex-cubs on their books. Alfonso Soriano and Joe Girardi. They don’t need anymore.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner says:

      You have to come on here and state that you don’t blame Cashman for a deal two other GMs made? For the love of god, the Yankees are not going to be in on every transaction.

      We also have zero clue yer as to that three-team rumor.

      • Joe C says:

        I’m not blaming him for not getting involved becasue i don’t think either samardzia or hammels are world beaters and I don’t think it would have been a good idead for the Yankees to get involved. I don’t blame him not landing because neither of them are CY Young. They’re more line Ed Whitson and THAT was a disaster.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner says:

          How about they’re neither Cy Young or Ed Whitson? Neither of them needs to be the best pitcher on earth for this to work for the A’s.

    • cooolbreeez says:

      Joe Girardi is on the roster? Is he the third catcher?

      • Joe C says:

        NO he’s the manager and that would have given them four ex cubs including the manager. That’s too many ex-cubs. They’re a cursed franchise and their bad luck rubs off on you if you acquire too many former cubs.

        • cooolbreeez says:

          Correlation does not equal causation. Remember the curse of the Bambino? Guess it wore off or has an expiration date that occurs simultaneously when the cursed team gets really good talent and performs well on the field.

    • BeanTooth says:

      Girardi is not the Yankees roster. And considering his time as a Cub was a dozen years ago, I’m not sure he counts towards this theory.

  41. Jorge Steinbrenner says:

    Another good point someone made away from this site is the possible mistake the Cubs made here by not trying to work two separate deals on each pitcher and just blowing their wad at once.

    It boggles my mind that the A’s can finish off their rotation like this for one blue-chip prospect.

    • Oy says:

      I highly doubt the Cubs could acquire a top 10, arguably top 5 prospect for just Shark. If you look at it as Russel for Shark and McKinley/Staily for Hammel, you’d figure that Cubs won the first trade, but could’ve gotten a bit more for Hammel. All is fair.

    • ALZ says:

      They must really love Russell for this. BB did pretty good for getting Hammel included with Shark. He could reflip him at the trade deadline and potentially lower the impact.

  42. Leg-End says:

    Good trade for both sides I think, Beane is going all in and I don’t blame him. A’s have as good a chance as they are going to get, if they don’t do it now they could quite easily fall off a cliff anyway so they may as well strike whilst the iron is hot.

  43. Wayne says:

    As far as Philidelphia is concerned is’nt Cole Hamels hurt or Have some sort of shoulder problem.
    Cliff Lee had an elbow problem.
    Why would we trade for these guys?
    Now that Jeff Samardzija is gone along with Jason Hammels you know that Hal is going to give up a ton now for David Price because the pressure is now on for him to do something.
    That is a major bummer if Hal does so.
    Bye, Bye Gary Sanchez, Luis Severino, Aaron Judge, Ian Clarkin, Dustin Fowler , Gosuke Katoh .
    Fuuuuuuuck!
    Right now Hal is saying yeah Wayne is right , act like you know all those major prospects are getting traded from our minors.
    Hal says Yankee fans Yeah act like you know!!
    Hal says Act like you know Wayne!!!
    Act like you know!!

    • Joe C says:

      To be honest we can afford to give up one or two catching prospects. We really can because thier progess to the big leagues is blocked now that we have McCann. So giving up JR Murphey and or Gary Sanchez makes sense.

  44. Oy says:

    Wonder how many fans here would crucify Cashman for giving up Sanchez/Judge/Phelps and a lottery ticket for Shark and Hammel. Such a great trade by Beane, going all out when the market is so expensive to grab two starters, the better one being under team control for 2015 too.

    Now, if only our GM could pull off acquiring Miley/McCarthy…

    • Magic Juan says:

      Sanchez is a head case and Phleps types are a dime a dozen, Epstein might be running a MLB farm team but he’s no dummy..

    • ALZ says:

      Sanchez =/= Russell

      • Oy says:

        Oh, Sanchez is nowhere close to Russel, which is why the lottery ticket is added. Ty Hansely? Judhe is better than McKinley and phelps is better than Strailey.

        • RetroRob says:

          You’re right. Sanchez is rated as one of the top prospects in the game, meaning top five prospects. Sanchez is nowhere near that level. He could potentially move forward, but Russell is regarded much higher.

  45. Magic Juan says:

    Samardzjia and Hammel might have been on NY’s radar but they weren’t landing either pitcher, we saw what Epstein wanted, NY doesn’t have that to give up…Baltimore and Toronto had a better shot. Nice rentals for Beane, now he has no excuse not to cross the finish line

  46. Magic Juan says:

    “Phelps” my bad….

  47. Billyballs says:

    Enough of this trading for Castro shit you fantasy want to be gm’s! Unless we moved him to third we have no current position for him and why sacrifice our entire system for that? We need pitching plain and simple in the form of a salary dump if that exists! If not we live with smaller pitching upgrades and that’s that! Gets frustrating listening to you people play fantasy gm saying we need Castro and let’s trade judge, severino, and Sanchez! Castro is the same guy who made mental error highlights on ESPN on a daily basis and was said to have an attitude so let’s play fantasy baseball and trade Sanchez who also has an attitude along with three others and than sit Castro on the bench behind jeter this year or plug him in at 3rd a position he’s never played just because we need a future ss. You are the same people that keep talking about this kid Mateo in our minors hoping he gets moved along quickly as jeters replacement! Stop with the fantasy bullshit!

    • Old Man Time says:

      So it’s ok for you to play fantasy GM and ax an imaginary trade, but others can’t play fantasy GM. Ok, got it.

  48. TWTR says:

    Yay, Hammel bullet dodged.

  49. PunkPitch says:

    Cubss wanted quality, not quantity. Sanchez, Judge, and Refsnyder simply don’t make sense from a quality point of view. Sanchez is inconsistent. Judge has holes in his game. The Cubs have plenty of infielders, and don’t need Refsnyder. Finding a trade partner willing to part with legit ML ready talent for risky minor league talent is the problem facing Cashman.

    • ChuckIt says:

      maybe the Cubs,but the Rays are seriously offensively challenged,& and there are a few decent bats down there. If they’re not going to bring them up to check them out,they might as well trade them.

  50. Adam says:

    It’s going to be really fun come July 31st at 4:30 p.m. to listen to our asshole GM explain to everybody how there were no deals to be made as he announces the signing of Randy Wolf to a minor league deal for our playoff push.

    • Old Man Time says:

      And if the Yankees had the equivalent of Russell and traded him for these two pitchers, you’d be on here calling Cashman an asshole for making the trade.

  51. Who do the Cubs want for Castro? Do they have a catching prospect?

  52. md says:

    Have to make that deal if you’re the As — and I’m not a big fan of either Cub pitcher.

    I think the Yankees will only come out on top if there’s excessive salary to be absorbed; that’s their only advantage over other teams. So, think Lee; think Hamels.

    And if Castro is put on the block, only the smallest market teams wouldn’t handle that contract for a player like him — so the Yankees won’t have any angle there either. But I think the glut at SS for them is overstated. Baez isn’t a SS and he whiffs at a ridiculous rate. Alcantara is a 2nd baseman. It’s just Russell and Castro. And Russell isn’t coming quickly — if he comes at all.

    • ChuckIt says:

      it kind of leaves Lee & Hamels as the only real options at the moment,but Lees’ age,AND coming off surgery ?

  53. ChuckIt says:

    Enough about Castro.There is NO WAY he’s worth any of our catching prospects,except maybe Austin Romine.With C.C. gone for the year,(he may have been gone before he got hurt)we needed a starter,and lost out to Oakland because our DRAG ASS GM sits back and waits too long.
    On the offensive front:I believe I mentioned back in may that we had to give Jeter & Brian Roberts some time to get adjusted after missing a whole season.Roberts game yesterday looks like he may be on the upswing.If he can get on base consistently the rest of the way,his ability to shake up the pitcher can be huge for the rest of the line up.
    Addition of a power bat is still a must.

    • Old Man Time says:

      “…our DRAG ASS GM sits back and waits too long.”

      I guess it’s fun being smarter than everyone when you get to create your own narrative without facts.

      NY, nor the majority of baseball, had a blue chip to top Russell. Plain and simple.

  54. Wayne says:

    What yanks would Have given up for Jeff Samardzija would Have been way better package than what oakland offered
    Oakland is getting a boat load of prospects for Jeff zsamardxija in the offseason no doubt probably from us .
    You don’t give up a bincha of prospects for Sterling Castro .
    That is crazy !!!
    Look for a veteran during offseason to sign till one of our minor league short stops is ready .
    We need starting pitching and the answer is in our minor leagues.
    Some Yankee fans are too spoiled to realize that.
    For the sake of it Have you seen what Luis Severino is doing in minors and David Palladino.
    We also need young right fielder.
    Aaron Judge is doing great in tampa and we drafted him last year.
    Carlos Beltrán is our designated hitter he can’t throw anymore.
    Holy Shit some fans are so damned spoiled!!!
    The answer is within not outside !!!!!

  55. billyballs says:

    Wayne and Chuckit!

    you guys are right on!

    Just like I’ve been saying, we have too many on this website playing fantasy baseball (gm mode) and want to trade a combination of minor league players (sanchez, judge who looks like Stanton and hopefully develops into something close, severino who has a big arm) for Castro who will back up Jeter this year? LOL.

    We all know Jeter isn’t sitting no matter how many want to see him there, and soon we will not be able to watch him and you will all complain Castro wasn’t the answer as he makes a mental error on a weekly basis.

    Just let our system develop and plug in pitchers who we can get on salary dump if available and take a shot at it, otherwise stop being spoiled!

  56. TheRealGreg says:

    Ken Rosenthal ?@Ken_Rosenthal 2h
    Sources: #Yankees exchanged proposals with #Cubs on both Samardzija, Hammel. #Athletics had piece that could trump all – Russell

  57. tom says:

    What package did Yankees offer? Maybe Cubs want SS so they can move Castro to either 2b or 3b.

    • tom says:

      Also, Yankees could pump up the deal right after Yankees learned Sabathia won’t pitch again as well as they could not count on Pineda’s return this season if they want to.

      It looks like Yankees stay passive and let it ride out with what left on the roster.

  58. trollhunter says:

    Cash has always loved his worthless overhyped prospects too much which gives other teams the chance to swoop in and steal deals out from undet him.

  59. Nathan says:

    It’s quite a shame that injuries have sidelined the last two seasons in which two legends are walking away from but if the Yankees get any more bad news (Sabathia gone, Tex hurt again, etc) I say restock for next season. I don’t see this team, currently constructed, built for a long postseason run unless they somehow get a healthy rotation and some offense.

  60. Dugan says:

    Does Cashman Still have a job Randy?? He must want to be fired after blowing this trade!!He must be asleep at the switch!!Does he still believe he is the G.M. OF THEYANKEES??THE BOSS WOULDN’T STAND FOR SUCH INCOMPETENCE!!WAKE UP TAMPA!!!!

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