Heyman: Yankees, White Sox discussing John Danks

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Via Jon Heyman: The Yankees have called the White Sox about left-hander John Danks. The two sides are not close to a deal and Heyman says talks may only be in the preliminary stages. The rebuilding ChiSox are, unsurprisingly, looking for young players and prospects in return.

Danks, 29, was a popular trade topic around these parts a few years ago, when he had a 3.77 ERA (3.89 FIP) and averaged 194.2 innings a year from 2008-11. Then he tore his shoulder capsule in 2012 and has pitched to a 4.56 ERA (4.89 FIP) since surgery, including a 4.35 ERA (4.70 FIP) in 124 innings this year. PitchFX shows his velocity (all pitches) has not returned since the shoulder injury.

Danks is owed roughly $35M through the 2016 season and torn capsules are usually the kiss of death. No one has returned from one to pitch to their pre-injury levels. It effectively ended the careers of Johan Santana, Rich Harden, Mark Prior, and Chien-Ming Wang, among others. Danks has been serviceable since the injury, but given the money left on his contract, I would hope he comes cheap in terms of prospects.

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  • Jorge Steinbrenner

    I mean, he’s already shown more than the names you listed, even if it’s not the production you want.

    Yes, if the cost is low, but that’s a given.

  • Chip

    Is Danks an upgrade over Whitley right now? Probably. If he costs you nothing then fine. But the fact that he’s going to be the team’s 5th starter next year does nothing for me.

  • MB923

    Fire Cashman!!!

  • King George

    This has to be some sort of sick joke.

  • Nathan

    I’d take my chances with rusty Cliff Lee.

    • Dan

      But at what cost? If you can basically just get Lee for his salary, then of course, go for it. But Philly probably wants (at least) a top prospect, then is it worth it for this group of players? I’m not sure. At least Danks would be a straight salary dump.

      • I’m One

        Perhaps this is being used as a barganing chip against the Phillies. “If we can’t get Lee cheap (no real prospects), we’re ready to move on to someone that can eat innings and won’t cost anything other than money.”

        Salary dump on either of these guys is the best case scenario. I’d certainly prefer Lee or at least someone more productive than Danks appears to be now.

    • ChuckIt

      Ditto. I wouldn’t touch Danks for any prospects.He’s good as done.

  • Rahul

    Seems better than Whitley and a serviceable arm for this year. But until 2016?? I don’t know about that one

  • PoopChute

    Reinsdorf is notoriously cheap as hell… You would think he would be more concerned about getting rid of Danks’ contract instead of getting good prospects back in return… If the Chi Sox eat some money and take dog crap back in return I would be interested I guess.

    • Ed

      It’s July 22nd. The trade deadline is the 31st. At this point, you ask for as much as you can while still keeping a straight face. You slowly drop your demands each day and ask for the least you’re willing to accept on the 31st.

      Sometimes that results in you making the trade on the 31st and getting nothing worthwhile back (Abreu + Lidle for essentially nothing trade). Sometimes the other team gets anxious and gives up something decent on the 26th (Soriano for Black trade). Or, if you’re really lucky, you end up with something great on the 31st (Kazmir to Tampa trade).

  • Darren

    John Danks? No thanks.

  • Matt

    You know, baseball just isn’t that fun to watch anymore with all these injuries. Team injury wise, the numbers must be astronomically up from a decade ago. Our current rotation features 1 guy in the opening day lineup. ONE. We have Tex, Beltran, and Jeter barely hanging on. Those 3 are literally a ticking time bomb for a big injury which will knock them out for the season. Yes the AL East is weak but do we really expect to get far in the playoffs with no pitching and a starting 9 that can become a Triple-A lineup any second from now. No one can stay healthy these days in baseball (especially the Yankees) and it’s pathetic.

    • Greg

      You forgot about Brian Roberts…

      • Dick M

        I would love to forget about Brian Roberts.

  • http://www.twitter.com/_swarlesbarkley Mark Teixeira – Ghostbuster (formerly Drew) RIP Egon

    Well he certainly qualifies as better than Chase Whitley sooooooo….Improvement!!! If the Yankees go out and get Lee and Danks then you are looking at a rotation of Lee, Kuroda, McCarthy, Danks, Phelps which isn’t the best but is still better than what you have at the moment. I won’t count on Tanaka or Pineda coming back but they are competing to win and that is all I can ask of my team. Make moves that doesn’t completely mortgage your future but still gives them an opportunity to win a world series (which is making the playoffs)

    • ChuckIt

      No Way! Whitley is young & relatively inexperienced. Danks is severely damaged goods,not any where near his pre -injury form.This
      idea has nothing but a downside for the Yankees.It’s not a stop gap move,just a “look,we’re involved in the trade market’ move.Absolutely worthless.

  • Steven Cheung

    Pitcher Chase Whitley doesn’t provide innings and is going to burn up the bullpen that the issue. And need another starter and a bat. Giving up a mid-level prospect for Danks.

    • TheEvilUmpire

      Whitley for Danks straight up might be fair value.

      • D$1184

        A pitcher who has had a torn shoulder capsule for one who hasn’t? You saw what Mike wrote about the track record for pitchers returning from torn shoulder capsule surgery and pitching well–there isn’t one. Even if Whitley has to be demoted back to the bullpen, his long term outlook is better than Danks’, at this point.

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        I’d do that. Sure.

  • Scott

    Here is the problem with any trade this year. First many people don’t want the Yanks to give up their best prospect (Severino, Ref, Judge, plus a few others), nor do they want to give up any major league talent (Gardner, Betances, Robertson), so the Yanks aren’t getting any of the top named tradeable players out there – Price, Hamels (there isn’t a great bat out there to be had).

    So if the Yanks are to make any trades they have to be for guys like Danks, McCarthy, Milone etc. 2nd or 3rd tier guys that really won’t have an impact on the season. McCarthy has done well and is definitely an upgrade over Nuno and could prove to be the teams 2nd best starter by the end of the season. But Danks won’t.

    So the dilemna is do you mortgage the future to win this year (DJ’s swan song) and get guys you know can help (Price, Hamels. I don’t include Lee). Or do you try to keep your best prospects, give up some of your minor league fodder (O’Brien, Romine, Roller, et al) for some minor upgrades but then have the fan base whine about every move, ala MB923 and King George?

    Yes the AL East is winnable, but without a true #2 or #1 pitcher coming back to the Yanks and a huge bat (still not sure who there is out there for that), the Yanks are probably best to stand pat. Because these minor upgrades aren’t going to help them in the post season. I would think we could all agree on that, even if the Yanks catch Baltimore (more because they suck than because the Yanks actually go on a tear) what will they do in the playoffs?

    If the season ended today (the what if game, I love it), and they ended up as the AL East champ, they would play the Oakland A’s in the second round (first round being the wild card game). Does anyone think they will beat the A’s in the playoffs? Not without major upgrades at SP and RF (meaning a RF that can play every day and hit 25 HRs).

    Just sayin…

    • Dick M

      What he said.

      And I’d throw in that adding payroll obligations in 15-16 is not the way to go here. The 15-16 payroll is already a dumpster fire (A-Rod, CC, Tex, Beltran, McCann, etc).

  • Rob

    I think my 34 year old shoulder that hasn’t pitched in about 10 years could do better than Danks. Seriously, this is the route they are going? If that is that case than I think we should all bite the bullet and become sellers at the deadline.

    • http://www.flickr.com/photos/roadgeek Roadgeek Adam

      I don’t know if you’re being sarcastic or not, but if you did pitch, what was your velocity and strengths?

  • Need Pitching & Hitting & Defense

    Please no.

    Do they really need more back of the rotation options on the roster for next year.

  • Tanyon is the Manyon

    John Danks? More like John Stanks.

  • emac2

    35 million for a player with no chance of recovery based on the history of the injury.

    Have there been any studies done comparing pitchers the Yankees have acquired over the last 10 years by category? On a dollar basis it isn’t even close but I would guess that by any metric that excludes absolute top dollar free agent signings the best route for the Yankees is to promote or sign street FA starters.

    I would much rather see long and Severino and use 35 mil on some offensive help this off season. I’m tired of not trying cheap inhouse options in the hopes that a player suddenly becomes better than the replacement level player he’s been for a decade. Wheeler sits while we wait for Johnson to exceed his 220 average even though he never hits over 220.

  • Yan Solo
  • Leg-End

    What could possibly go wrong.

    • http://google NYcornerstone

      Never say that ! eh

  • LarryM Fl

    I have watched most of the games this year. IMHO the AL East is a weak sister of a conference. All the sun, moon and stars would have to aligned for the Yankees to win the conference. Need hitting, an infield redo and a right fielder.

    So my answer for John Danks is no way. If the Yankees do bite at this trade. It should cost nothing in players and about half the coin at most. He’s your fifth starter.

    The game last night was an indicator of the baseball the Yanks can play. Wheeler looked like the only infielder who belonged on the field. Talk all you want but the only trade that I would make is the one which will improve the team next season, also. Not one that adds more baggage just to make it look good for this year.

  • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

    No Danks.

    Yes, pun intended.

    • http://www.flickr.com/photos/roadgeek Roadgeek Adam
      • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

        Thank you, I won’t be here all night and I could care less if you tip your waitress. Actually, that’s not true. Please tip your waitress. Unless she’s a bitch.

        • http://www.flickr.com/photos/roadgeek Roadgeek Adam

          You don’t want my tips, because I don’t follow percentages. I just round to a respectable amount that creates a .00 ending. The worse the service, the less.

        • http://www.flickr.com/photos/roadgeek Roadgeek Adam

          You don’t want my tips, because I don’t follow percentages. I just round to a respectable amount that creates a .00 ending. The worse the service, the less.

  • Dalek Jeter

    If he was signed just through the end of this year, the Sox would pick up all of his contract, and all we had to give up is whatever this season’s Corey Black is? Sure. But as he’s signed through 2016, for a lot of money the Sox probably won’t pick up…I don’t care if the cost is prospect free, I’d rather pass.

    • JGYank

      Funny how having more control over him makes him less attractive.

      • Dalek Jeter

        If he was arb elligible or making the league minimum, that would be a completely different scenario, but this is a guy who hasn’t been good in a few years who is owed real money over the next few. I know we see the Yankees as having a limitless budget and most times I’m of the mindset “it’s not my money” but I wouldn’t want them to lock up money in Danks that could be better served elsewhere, or a roster spot for that matter.

  • Chip Rodriguez

    Sign Danks, and you might get another starter who can go 6-7 IP with 3 ER.
    That’s not much use if the offense is only occasionally able to out hit that.

  • Jacoby Eddardsbury

    The starting pitching has been fine except Whitley. Last night was the epitome of the season. Starter gives up 1 run and loses. Joe left him in too long but even so they only scored 2 runs off a guy with a 10 ERA and one of those runs came on a walk, a balk and a sac fly. They need offense.

    • Smart Guy

      Offense? but the GM only talks about getting pitching!

  • Craig

    My guess is that this is just tire-kicking. Cash is checking on all options and Danks came up in conversation.

  • Nick

    They should throw in Beckham too!!!

    • http://www.flickr.com/photos/roadgeek Roadgeek Adam

      Beckham has performed more close to non-tender than trade worthy.

  • TWTR

    The Yankees need more young players, not less. This mindset is counterproductive.

  • Vern Sneaker

    Of all the names mentioned and discussed on this morning’s threads, for me Cole Hamels is the only interesting one. Our rebuilding needs for a championship-grade team are enormous — a shortstop (Brendan Ryan only cuts it if the lineup is much improved); at least one more big bopper, preferably for RF; someone for 2B (how is Refsnyder’s D? I don’t really know); someone for 3B (A-Rod, oh no!); a starting pitcher who is a #1 (Tanaka probable Tommy John) or at least a #2; more starting pitchers; probably a backup for Texeira who is better than mediocre if he goes down. Judge, Severino, Jagielo, and Sanchez, DePaula are interesting prospects, but that’s all they are, and probably two years away at minimum.

  • trr

    John Danks/
    No Thanks

  • Smart Guy

    the logic this team shows is stupid, what is the obsession with this team and patching holes, Less Alfonspo soriano, austin kearns, lance berkman trades, John danks doesnt help the overall performance of this team, not with its putrid offense. If the yankees are going to give away resources, go all in for someone with future value to this team and not over the hill players that just puts us in the same position year in and year out

    • http://twitter.com/#!/Clay_Bellinger Clay Bellinger

      Lol. Your name is ironic.

      The Soriano trade was the best one made near last year’s deadline. Berkman hit really well after coming off the DL back in 2010.

      • Smart Guy

        the soriano served no purpose, it had no long term effect to a team full of crippled old players, you essentially gave away a young pitcher who by no means we will miss but you could have used in a package to get someone more long term, same with lance berkman, pretty sure mark melancon can net us something useful now. If we were trading for cole hammels then ok, but for john danks or last year alfonso soriano its just hurting the team long term and not changing anything in the outcome of the season.

        • http://www.flickr.com/photos/roadgeek Roadgeek Adam

          Soriano gave us a lot more wins then going without him did. Even if his performance was terrible this year, I still think it was the right decision. What we had last year was not going to provide us 17 home runs from the right side.

          • Smart Guy

            and this reasoning is the reason why this team is the way it is, because it feeds the need of fans wanting to see a performance now. Thank god we traded for Soriano, that world series win we got last year was truely worth it. A team makes a trade for a soriano or a danks if we have already a good core of players and we are missing that extra push over the top. The teams we are throwing outthere are not them. This team needs desperately to stick to rebuilding and getting younger, with the amount of money this team has a rebuilding process wouldnt take that long

            • Jorge Steinbrenner

              No matter how many times we’re outed, we continue to speak in complete hindsight as to Alfonso Soriano. Unbelievable.

              • Smart Guy

                i was against the soriano trade then, as ive been against the montero trade and all the useless trades, The trade for headley i like only if they sign him, giving depaula for half a season of headley would be dumb, but i think headley has brosious ability to come here and become a yankee icon

                • http://twitter.com/#!/Clay_Bellinger Clay Bellinger

                  In what world is Scotty Bro a Yankee “icon”?

                  Whatever. Solarte is nothing and De Paula is 23 doing so-so in A ball. I’ll take it.

                • Jorge Steinbrenner

                  I’m totally fine if you were against the Soriano trade then.

                  He almost single-handedly got them into the playoffs, and so many people still complain, though.

                  • Smart Guy

                    maybe i care more about longterm success than just an individual run, I want a young athletic team, this team has so many resources yet it continues to stroll mediocrity lately, we should have the best scouts, the best development, i dont mind patching holes if they have a direction to get younger but ever since cashman was given full power that his mission was to get younger we have done the opposite, granted it wasnt all his fault like Arod and soriano

            • http://twitter.com/#!/Clay_Bellinger Clay Bellinger

              Their money doesn’t move them up in the draft. Corey Black and Mark Melancon were never getting us Cole Hamels. Not every trade nets a superstar.

              By your logic, the moves made by 29 teams last year were not worth it. Can’t look at a trade by the overall success of the team. Soriano’s 2013 will probably be worth more than anything Black ever does.

              Everyone is aware that this team has holes, yet we’re 4 games out in a medicore division. That’s why they’re adding and going for it. A very imperfect team will win the East this year.

              • Smart Guy

                its not about acquiring superstars, its about getting younger and more balanced with trades that focus more in the longterm than just now, focusing on now and worrying about later, later just puts us in the same spot year in and year out.

                • http://twitter.com/#!/Clay_Bellinger Clay Bellinger

                  Given what they have, it would be incredibly difficult to trade for anyone that young AND good. Difficult for anyone to do. Simple as that.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      They sent you a list of these “resources” in advance? I never got mine.

      I’m totally fine with entertaining a trade for Danks. The question is what’s getting kicked in.

      We should have a prospect checklist we check off every time we hear a trade rumor that lists “would I give up this guy? What about this guy?”

      For example:

      Gary Sanchez: No
      Aaron Judge: HAHAHAHA.
      Mason Williams: Maybe.
      Dante Bichette Jr.: Yes.
      Simon De La Rosa: Ask Wayne.

  • bobtaco

    So what do you give up for Headley? Because according to Jack Curry he is on the way.

    • http://www.flickr.com/photos/roadgeek Roadgeek Adam

      Kelly Johnson? Please.

      • bobtaco

        and Arod…

        • http://www.flickr.com/photos/roadgeek Roadgeek Adam

          We can keep him. I still think he produces for 2015-17 for us.

    • lisdf

      Apparently for Solarte and Depaula.

      • ChuckIt

        I’d make that deal.right now,good position players should be the priority.The only pitcher available right now without having to sell the farm is Lee.Philly is more concerned with dumping the salary.Hang on & wait.The price will go down,& for next to nothing,I’d give him a shot.

  • ac1

    #Yankees will send one/two #MiLB guys to the #Padres for Headley, sources tell @MartinoNYDN. They will not be “top” prospects. #MLB #OBT
    ___

    While they are at it, they should try to work an extension.

    Now get us a RF with some pop.

  • Tanyon is the Manyon

    Yanks nearing deal for Headley http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....m=facebook

  • ac1

    Yankees near deal for Headley and reports are top guys not included.
    If Cash gets Headley without giving up our big prospects, thats a big plus.

  • ac1

    So we give up Solarte, who is basically Wheeler, and DePaula. Not a big loss, but by getting Headley for one half, they need to go all the way, because a rental shows they aren’t throwing the season.

  • ac1

    Jon Heyman ?@JonHeymanCBS ·8s
    yankees get headley
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    That escalated fast

  • Steve (different one)/

    I don’t know what the Yankees are trading and if the Sox are kicking in money, but of course I will offer my opinion on this rumor!

    • ac1

      It’s one of those ‘yankees are in on everyone’ rumors.
      I dont think they are taking Danks unless the Sox eat a huge chunk of the remaining money.

      • ChuckIt

        I think the Danks story is just to lower the cliff Lee asking price.Lee is going to be basically a salary dump move,Watch & see.

  • McLovin

    Bye Solarte, hi Headley.

    • ac1

      It’s ok we still have Wheeler :)

  • lisdf

    Depaula is really too high ceiling to have shipped off in this deal but I guess they’re convinced they can make the playoffs this year.

    • ac1

      The thing about pitching prospects is that many have a high ceiling and on this team, none of them make it. I fear for Severino and hope he doesn’t turn into our next Manny Banuelos.

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        Gosh, there’s just so much completely wrong with that statement.

        Lots of guys can be said to have high ceilings. That’s only part of the projection. Probability and floor matter, too. Taking that into account, the number of pitchers with high ceilings AND probability who didn’t make it isn’t big at all.

        Manny Banuelos is recovering from TJ surgery. I mean, really?

        You should fear for Severino as you should fear for any pitching prospect IN BASEBALL, not just on the New York Yankees.

      • RetroRob

        The thing is, like most fans of all teams, we all overrate the prospects, especially around here where we all follow the minors.

        How are you determining the value and ability of DePaula that he’s too much to give up for a MLB player?

        Whenever a prospect is traded, someone will say it’s a mistake. In almost all cases they’re wrong. You’ll never hear from those people. Every once in a while one will hit it big, but that doesn’t mean the person was right.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      May I have you look downward at his low floor, though.

  • ac1

    Cashman to do list:

    1. Headley – X
    2. Starting pitcher –
    3. Replace Roberts with Refsnyder –
    4. Move Ichiro back to the bench, send Wheeler back to AAA and get an everyday RF that can hit.

    • Daniel

      I wouldn’t mind a deal that brought Lee and Byrd over. Can you imagine?

      • ChuckIt

        Lee maybe,but two suspect older players? No way.

  • Argenys

    I was about to suggest Drew Stubbs, wouldn’t lose virtually any defense compared to Ichiro, has a much better bat, could be our #3/4 outfielder next year playing off the bench and sparing Beltran of about half the games he’ll no doubt need to dh/have off.

  • lisdf

    At the end of the day it’s probably a good deal – Headley will slot in as the player who’s provided the third most value to date among hitters on the team according to fwar. His defense is a huge plus and we need it with Jeter at SS, he’s having some positive BABIP regression and has put up a good line for a month and while Depaula is a lottery ticket/bullpen arm, Solarte is probably at best a utility guy who occasionally string together BABIP fueled streaks.

    For SD it makes sense to take a gamble on them because they can control them for longer while headley should add value for a run in a mediocre division.

    • RetroRob

      They so should have traded Headley a couple years back. They knew they couldn’t re-sign him and he would have brought back a lot. Same with the Royals and Soria, the Twins and Willingham. A rebuilding team needs to cash in on a player having a breakout year.

  • RetroRob

    Oh, and just so no to Danks, unless they’re willing to eat most of his contract. His name value is far greater than his pitching value, and he’s not cheap.

    • ChuckIt

      Even eating the contract doesn’t make him any more valuable.He’s not even worth long relief.And what about next year?

  • forensic

    If it was just this one year, I’d take it if it cost nothing just because he’s an upgrade on Whitley. No way I’m doing it for anything with another two years left on the contract.

  • Kiko Jones

    It effectively ended the careers of Johan Santana, Rich Harden, Mark Prior, and Chien-Ming Wang, among others.

    Um, Wang signed with the White Sox a couple of days ago and was 8-5 with a 3.70 ERA in 19 games this season for the Reds’ Triple-A Louisville.