Injury Updates: Pineda, Roberts, Johnson

Thoughts prior to the trade deadline and off-day
Update: Yankees invite Rusney Castillo for private workout next week
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Mark Teixeira returned to the starting lineup and hit a homerun last night after being sidelined for eight days with a mild lower lat strain. That was good to see. Here is another round of injury updates, courtesy of Bryan Hoch, Chad Jennings, and George King.

  • Michael Pineda (shoulder) threw a 45-pitch simulated game yesterday and it went “really good.” He’ll begin an official minor league rehab assignment on Sunday. “He will make a start somewhere. Four innings and 60-65 pitches will be his next move. Not exactly sure where it’s going to be — they were talking about that today — but it will be a regular game,” said Joe Girardi.
  • Brian Roberts is worn down and will get the next few days off. The 36-year-old has played 91 games this year, his most since 2009. He averaged 48 games played from 2010-13. Being worn down at this point of the season isn’t much of a surprise. “He’s been beat up pretty good this year physically,” said Girardi. “He’s dealing with soreness that players have. Legs get beat up, you hit balls off your feet, shins. It’s all part of it.”
  • Kelly Johnson (groin) will play in a minor league rehab game or two and is expected to come off the disabled list when eligible next Thursday. Girardi said he may give Johnson more time at second base down the stretch. “It’s something I could think about. If we feel there is a need to put him there we will put him there,” said the skipper.
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Thoughts prior to the trade deadline and off-day
Update: Yankees invite Rusney Castillo for private workout next week
  • TWTR

    I really miss Big Mike. Although it shouldn’t be much of an issue with the warm weather, I hope he is also being schooled in the fine points of um, substance use.

    • Farewell Mo

      I think ole Pine tar Pineda will be just fine when he comes back. No one could be that stupid twice, could they???

      • PhillyMatt

        Ask A-rod!!!

        • Farewell Mo

          I stand corrected!

      • gilmac

        I’ve really lost track. Minor league rehab start? Time is fleeting.

        • Mikhel

          ? maaaadnesss takes its toll ?

          • Mikhel

            UGH those question marks were musical signs

          • Jack

            With the Red Sox crumbling like this, it sure feels like the ’60s, like a “…time warp again…”

      • TWTR

        He will probably be fine in terms of a comparison to most players, but he will probably receive crazy scrutiny. As I said, given the heat, sweat and dirt should provide the grip he needs for the next 6 weeks.

      • gilmac

        How many times did Billy Martin manage the Yankees? I’m sorry that was crazy, not stupid.

        • Mikhel

          But when the guy is a genious it really takes it to another level. Same for ole Earl Weaver, guy was crazy but a genious.

      • JLC 776

        I think you mean ‘three times’… Just getting caught once is pretty dumb.

        Although I still partially blame McCann. Just hide it in your shin guards like every other catcher.

      • TopChuckie

        It already was twice.

    • Tyler

      I like Johnson at 2nd. I think that he’d be better than Roberts with regular at bats and will provide a bit more pop. Probably isn’t much difference in the field either considering how poor Roberts has been at times out there. I think it’s worth a shot to deepen the lineup if bringing up Refsnyder isn’t going to be an option.

      • TWTR

        I don’t understand why Johnson was never really given an extended opportunity at 2B.

        • gilmac

          I certainly never understood that. It was also his most regular position. Thought his recent track record would be viewed better then Roberts and he had some LH power going for him.

        • nycsportzfan

          Because at the time we had issues at 3rd base and Roberts is a Swith Hitter which helps him get into the lineup as well. Add in KJ slumping in limited opp’s often this yr, and you kinda get why.

          • TWTR

            Roberts has been bad. So maybe you can find a reason why he got an opportunity, but not why he has continued to get one.

            KJ has never received consistent PT.

      • Bigdan

        One of the oddities of this season is how Johnson has started for the first time in his ML career in RF and 1b but has yet to start a game at 2b, the position he’s played 80% of his career. And now, the heretofore favorite son, Roberts, is being sent to the bench, just when he’s about to hit some playing time salary incentives.

        Pirela should have been promoted 6 weeks ago. All he has had done in AAA is hit over .310 in over 300 ABs as a 24 year old.

        • Giuseppe Franco

          I think Roberts being benched while on the verge of his incentive bonus is just a coincidence.

          I’d be thrilled if we never saw Roberts again this season but I don’t see that happening just to save some pocket change.

          Why oh why did Roberts pick this season to stay off the DL?

          • gilmac

            That was my greatest hope. That he would continue on with his recent track record.

        • mitch

          I think it’s been confirmed that Pirela can’t play 2B, but you could definitely argue that he should have been given a shot in RF

          • Bigdan

            Actually, I’ve seen reports stating the opposite. That Pirela is adequate as a 2b, or an infield utility guy (not SS), but still hasn’t mastered RF. I haven’t seen enough of him to have an opinion myself.

            RF is a whole different issue. Any number of AAA guys should have gotten a shot there when Beltran went down and it became obvious that Ichiro wasn’t a full time player.

            • Mikhel

              What I’ve seem of Pirela is he is OK in the OF (LF mostly, I think), but a disaster in the infield, Eduardo Núñez like.

              • Mikhel

                forgot to say: in winter ball

      • IRememberCelerinoSanchez

        Agreed.

        I think a Johnson/Wheeler platoon (or Johnson/Ryan or even Johnson/Sizemore if he comes back from the DL) would be an upgrade over Roberts. Not great or anything, but just a bit more productive at the plate and a bit less shambolic in the field.

  • mitch

    Ellsbury
    Jeter
    Gardner
    Teix
    McCann
    Headley
    Beltran
    [Insert new RF]
    KJ

    Not a bad lineup

  • ac1

    Pete Abraham ?@PeteAbe 1m
    #RedSox in discussions on a deal that would end Jon Lester to the #Orioles sources from both teams say. Would return a pitcher
    ___

    Who was on my case earlier about the Orioles?

    • gilmac

      Not I. Read something similar but, you know, you read a lot around this time.

      • ac1

        Someone here this morning mocked my note about the Orioles and Lester and how there was no way Baltimore was in the running yadda yadda.http://riveraveblues.com/2014/.....nt-8867794

        • gilmac

          Let’s get ‘em!

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          You’re mocked for many other things on here. You were simply disagreed with.

          I still don’t think he goes to Baltimore. I don’t care what the former fearless leader of the LoHud Diaspora tweets.

    • Shame Spencer

      Ooooh, plot twist:

      @Joelsherman1 I am told #Orioles do not have deal for Lester or anything close. Still working mainly on small things

    • Shame Spencer

      Wow, if that deal gets done the O’s finally have the starter they need to make a serious run.

    • TWTR

      You would have to think they would pay an in-division premium.

      • Farewell Mo

        Absolutely.

        I’d think the O’s would be worried about having egg on their face potentially sending prospects to Boston for 2 months of Lester only to see him resign there in the offseason, right?

      • JLC 776

        If this does happen, I’ll bet the farm that the Sox and Lester have an ‘understanding’ that he’ll be back in Boston in 2015.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Thanks for keeping the comments on topic. Not like there is a giant open thread for the trade deadline or anything.

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        They’re your commenters now, Axisa. Have at ‘em.

      • Havok9120

        If only such a venue existed.

      • Scrody

        I’m a long-time lurker on both this site, as well as LoHud. I’ve always enjoyed the comments on this site because they relate to the post that precedes them. They’re like a continuation of the topic. I click on “comments” only if it’s a post I’d like to hear more insight on. LoHud’s comments have always been, to me, unreadable. Not because of what commenters are saying, but because it just feels like a random Yankee chat room. No offense to the influx of commenters, but I really hope they find their way back to LoHud soon.

        • The Big City of Dreams

          but I really hope they find their way back to LoHud soon.

          ————-

          Why is that? Are they bothering you?

          • Scrody

            “LoHud’s comments have always been, to me, unreadable. Not because of what commenters are saying, but because it just feels like a random Yankee chat room.”

  • Exiledintampa

    I can’t get over how much the Cards paid for an injured pitcher with a 5.511 ERA. James Ramsey was a first round pick batting .300/.389/.527 in AA. If that’s the going price for a guy like Masterson, I can’t imagine what Lester, Price or Hammels would bring.

    • Tyler

      It’s why young pitching is so valuable to teams. The Cards are pretty loaded with OF prospects (still Piscotty, not to mention Taveras) so it doesn’t hurt them much, but I think the Indians did a pretty nice job considering the year that Masterson has had and his health concerns.

      • Evan3457

        …and Grichuk.

    • gilmac

      Wow!

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      What does this have to do with the injuries?

  • ac1

    God the Red Sox organization has such an inferiority complex to the Yankees. Said absolutely not to the Yankees (3rd place), but sure lets send to Baltimore (1st place). Essentially to stick it to the Rays, Jays and Yankees.

    • Mikhel

      They know that if they send Lester to anybody else, then at year’s end the bidding war will include the Yankees. If they send him to the Yanks right now, they basically have a green light to sign him before the bidding war, giving them an advantage. Maybe that’s what discouraged the Dodgers on acquiring him, if Lester didn’t agree to negotiate an extension with the LAD.

    • EricVA

      Or maybe the O’s are the only team willing to give up a top prospect? Gausman, Harvey, Bundy are all better pitching prospects than the Yankees have.

      • Scott

        Several reports from Sherman, Olney, etc, said they are very relunctant to trade any of those three.

      • thomas

        Why would the O’s give a division rival 2-3 of their best players for only a few months of Lester?? They have to play the Red Sox many times next year and the year after. Lester will sign with the Red Sox in the off season and really haunt the O’s.
        It would be the worse trade of the year, decade!

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Who cares? What does this have to do with the injuries?

  • blake

    Jon Morosi ?@jonmorosi 6m
    Cubs close to acquiring Felix Doubront from Red Sox.

    firesell

  • Bigdan

    I think it’s pretty obvious that Tex is going to need considerable “rest time” for the duration of his contract. This really behooves the Yanks to get McCann up to speed at 1b. This was something that should have begun in ST so we’ll have to live with the growing pains now.

    McCann was always the ideal choice for backup 1b. It creates a triple benefit. First, Tex gets the rest he needs and is replaced by one of the team’s (hopefully) more productive bats. It also gives a rest to McCann from catching which he’s done a whole lot of for a 30 year old. That should keep him fresher. And it allows the Yanks to make use of their catching depth, one of their strongest assets in the entire organization.

    Going forward, the Yanks should gradually become a team with two starting catchers and first baseman on their roster. For the duration of Tex’s contract, the Yanks should routinely rotate three players through C and 1b. I also think in time, McCann will learn to field the position more than adequately. And he’ll probably end up at 1b anyway when Tex leaves.

  • RetroRob

    Johnson should start at 2B. He would be the incremental upgrade Cashman is looking for. Johnson has been bounced around the infield, including asked to play 1B, then sits for long stretches. Put him at his natural position for five days a week and he’ll give more with the bat and the glove than Roberts has.

    • Farewell Mo

      Totally agree

    • Dick M

      Johnson’s been hitting around .220 for about 3 years now. With an OBP of just over .300.

      At this point in his career, that’s all you’re gonna get.

      • RetroRob

        He was 102 wRC+ last season. He can hit lower than that and still be better than Roberts, and more ABs in YS will help. As said, it’s incremental, not ideal.

  • blake

    O’s getting Lester would certainly make them tougher….

    • Rick

      Yea, that’s a HUGE move for them.

    • Kenny

      They’re tough enough now, as far as the Yankees are concerned.

  • Rick

    Rather than everyone being so adamant about brigning up Refsnyder, our first internal option should be KJ. While I’m not a major fan of him playing every day, I think he’d more palatable than Roberts.

    • IRememberCelerinoSanchez

      He could platoon with Ryan, Wheeler or Sizemore.

    • CountryClub

      Or keep playing Ryan at 2nd. Suddenly the Yanks would be solid or better at 3 of the 4 IF positions.

      • Rick

        Wouldn’t be opposed to that, I like the offensive upside that KJ provides more. Ryan is a treat defensively though. I’d be interested to see if his range at 2B, combined with Headley’s range at 3B, decreases the area Jeter has to cover at SS. That net effect would need to be factored in as well.

  • Comet

    Hey Shame and Blake! Missed you guys!

  • Patrick

    Joel Sherman ?@Joelsherman1 5m
    I am told #Orioles do not have deal for Lester or anything close. Still working mainly on small things

    Peter Gammons ?@pgammo 56s
    @Joelsherman1 And told Red Sox have “plenty” of alternatives on Lester.

    Sounds like some writers jumping the gun, I doubt the Orioles pull the trigger on a Lester deal.

    • TWTR

      They’re using the media to up the price, which you know, they are all too willing to do in exchange for scoops.`

    • blake

      twitter makes these guys crazy…..they just want to tweet something so bad they can’t stand it even if it’s wrong.

  • Jacoby Eddardsbury

    Both Roberts and Ichiro should be getting extended rest. Ryan and Zolio can do just fine in the meantime. Those two sat last night and we scored 12 runs because they weren’t killing rallies. And Roberts wasn’t giving away runs with errors. If Cashman gets a power bat in RF and Kelly plays 2nd we should have a much better lineup.

  • Pkyankfan69

    The Pinetaur will soon awaken from it’s slumber

    http://i1001.photobucket.com/a.....dcb295.jpg

    • Mikhel

      HAHAHAHAAHA maan that took me back 30 or so years, to “Zoobilee Zoo”.

  • Frank

    I wish people would just get off Roberts’ case. Yes, he’s had issues defensively, but the fact is he was signed as a one year stopgap. He’s in his upper 30’s and has a history of injuries. Did you actually expect for him to play like an All-Star? Rather than rail on the guy, be thankful they have him. Imagine where the Yanks would be if they didn’t have him.

    • Exiledintampa

      A little closer to first place?

      • Frank

        you mean last place.

    • Jacoby Eddardsbury

      Where would they be without Roberts? The same as they are now, maybe a little better if Kelly had played more. It’s not really his fault, it’s Girardi’s for trotting him out there every day and Cashman’s for not having a better plan at 2nd/3rd. Kelly and Roberts are part time players, not full time. And Cashman had no plan other than a journey man minor leaguer who barely made the squad.

      • Frank

        First, you can’t say KJ would play any better. Second, 2B wasn’t the only position they dropped the ball on. IMO, not getting an adequate backup for 1B was even a more drastic failure. My point is Roberts is taking alot of heat, along with Ichiro, and I just think it’s unfair. There are way too many holes on this poorly constructed roster to singlr out those 2 players.

        • ac1

          Roberts is taking heat because we have alternatives and the fact that it isn’t just his offense that is mediocre, but he is playing BAD defense and that is the biggest issue with him. Not having a back up 1B was a huge mistake. Ichiro shouldnt be taking slack. He is good in the field and like every eyar, our 4th OF somehow ends up playing way more than he should.

        • Rick

          In 77 games and 277 PA, KJ has produced a .5 WAR while Roberts has produced .1 WAR. Kelly has a wRC of 88, while Roberts (91/348, respectively) is at 81. So while neither player has set the world on fire, it’s likely there would be a marginal upgrade from Roberts to Kelly. Especially since Roberts is now horrendous defensively. Over the course of a season, you may be talking about 1-2 wins. With the playoff race seeming like it’s going to be down to the wire, those 1-2 wins would be enormous.

          • Old Man Time

            Frank’s got his anger lather built up. Everything you said will go in one ear and out the other.

        • Cliff

          O rly? http://www.fangraphs.com/leade.....;players=0

          Roberts 0.1 WAR. Ichiro -0.1 WAR. The definition of replacement. By contrast, KJ has been worth .5 WAR

    • blake

      Roberts has been worth 0.1 wins this year……so they’d be exactly where they are with a replacement level player manning 2B

      • http://twitter.com/#!/Clay_Bellinger Clay Bellinger

        Incorrect. They’d be 4.6 games out of first.

        • Deep Thoughts

          Heh heh heh.

      • Bigdan

        Doesn’t Roberts have like a 1.3 WAR over at Baseball-Ref? I saw on a blog over the All Star break someone post three different defensive metrics for Roberts. One well above average, one average and one well below average. More reason to discount WAR and fielding metrics.

        If you ask me, Roberts can’t field worth a lick.

        • Dick M

          Thank you Dan.

  • Mikhel

    Has Roberts $350,000 dollars clause kicked in? If not, DFA’d and put at 2B a Roomba with bucket on top and a mechnical slingshot, not only it would get more balls than Roberts, it will have a better throw and would be cheaper to develop than to keep Roberts.

    • Exiledintampa

      I think he’s 2 ab’s away from $250,000. DFA Roberts, Ichiro and Johnson. Bring up or bring in a suitable replacement.Ryan at 2b solidifies the infield better than Roberts ever did. I won’t claim he’s hiting but, he is.

      • Mikhel

        ooouu it is just a 250k, still that could easily be used to promote somebody and pay him for the rest of the season.

    • gilmac

      What is a Roomba?

      • blake

        it’s one of those automatic vacuums…..they sound cool until your kids mess with the settings and they go off at 2 AM.

      • Kenny

        Not just an automatic but a robotic. They’re the cleaning version of a slow cooker: you set them to vacuum the floor while you’re at work, and when you return the place is clean, and the dog and cat need straitjackets.

    • Pkyankfan69

      My friends have a roomba… They left it on autopilot one day and on that day their dog decided to take a crap on the floor… Well that roomba went and smeared the poo all over the floors and walls.

      Not only would the roomba field better than Roberts but it can smear poo better also. DFA

      • Mikhel

        hahahahahaha that’s awful, now I know of a good prank for my neighboor and her frigging roomba.

      • blake

        oh good Lord

      • Dalek Jeter

        That. is. Amazing.

  • CountryClub

    Jon Heyman ?@JonHeymanCBS 2m
    (Eric)Chavez gave up more than $1M by walking away now. said he wouldn’t have felt right taking the $.

    • Exiledintampa

      Dan Szymborski?@DSzymborski·3 mins
      Chavez finishes his career with 4th most WAR of any position player never an All-Star (behind Tony Phillips, Tim Salmon, and Kirk Gibson)

      • Mikhel

        Thank god Phillips was never an all star, I hated watching a close-up of him as he began to spit all over the place. Disgusting.

        Sounds odd about Gibson, but now I remember that those were the years were Rickey, Winfield and Reggie’s careers for a bit overlapped with Kirk’s. Gibson was very good, but in a lesser league when compared to Dave and Rickey, and still not good enough to be #3 OF in every year.

  • Get Phelps Up

    Eric Chavez has retired.

    Thanks for 2012, Eric.

  • mitch

    He hasn’t been linked to the Yanks, but I think Chris Carter would make a lot of sense as a DH/backup 1B/emergency OF/grown-man mustache-wearer

    • Mikhel

      He was mentioned waaay way back, maybe in 2013.

      But as of right now, I think Carlos Peña would be more of a Cashman move than Carter, and both strikeout tons and tons.

  • MTU

    Good afternoon.

    How is the LoHud integration going ?

  • ac1

    I am still really surprised there has been zero chatter on Cliff Lee on twitter. I realize he has been hurt and his two starts back havent gone fantastic, but he is still Cliff Lee and Philly is even willing to pay some salary. I feel like the Yankees should be all over this (and any deal where it is just a salary dump). Maybe we are and that’s why it is so quiet.

    • Old Man Time

      Because Lee hasn’t shown anything since coming off the DL. He’ll be a trade target later waivers.

      • Old Man Time

        *on waivers

        • ac1

          We all know Dodgers will claim him before he ever gets to the Yankees….

          • Old Man Time

            Possibly, but at this point I’m not sold on Lee considering the injury and contract.

    • Bret The Hitman

      He will definitely clear waivers. Teams know his price will fall after the rush at the deadline.

  • http://rab.com Michael Cutler

    Yanks should try and get Benoit if they don’t have to give up too much . . he can take pressure off Betances down the stretch . .

    • Mikhel

      I’ve seen him a few times this season at PetCo and saw rockets flying off his pitches towards RF. Not a good sight since it is the only part of Petco that’s bigger than YS III

      • http://rab.com Michael Cutler

        He could be pitching to his park

  • RhapsodyInBlue

    Pretty lonely over at Lohud.

    • MTU

      Not surprised w what they did to the site.

      • http://riveraveblues austinmac

        Hello, my friend. I hope all is well. In about 24 hours the speculation will be over. I foresee a marginal bat, such as Willingham, and a reliever.

        One day my predictions may actually be correct.

        • MTU

          Good to see you Mac.

      • Bob

        Would think they’ll do something. Sure weren’t expecting it to go dead like it has.

    • +1

      Yeah nobody came out from behind the curtain huh. LMAO.

      Nice picture on FB too. LOL

  • SweetSpot

    I have the feeling Cashman is hearing a whole lot of no’s.

    • Old Man Time

      Or he’s hearing a lot of ridiculous prices.

    • CountryClub

      Based on what we hear teams are asking for in return, I bet he’s saying no quite often as well.

    • Mikhel

      Maybe that’s why he said it is easier to insult somebody using text messages than over the phone.

  • http://riveraveblues austinmac

    Getting Pineda and Johnson back is like making a trade. I predict we will hear that very soon.

    I wonder if hitters prices are as out of sight as pitchers’. I suspect they are since most teams are now offensively challenged.

    • MTU

      Greetings Mac.

      Glad you made it over.

    • Giuseppe Franco

      Well, if the Yanks do “acquire” Pineda I sure hope he produces more than a couple of weeks with a 10 game suspension on top of it.

      At this point, anything they get from him is a bonus.

  • CountryClub

    Jayson Stark ?@jaysonst 1m
    Source says #Mariners are “out” on Marlon Byrd. Still some legs to rumblings linking Byrd & #Yankees but Yankees wary of 2016 vesting option

  • Shame Spencer

    @GordonEdes
    I’m told as of this am there were still five teams in–Pit, LA, STL, Orioles and A’s still in it. All have prospects to make a deal

    ————

    Send him to the NL!!

    • CountryClub

      I’d like to see him go to Pitt. Wouldn’t mind seeing them build off of last season’s playoff appearance.

  • ac1

    Jen Royle ?@Jen_Royle 52s
    Sources have gone silent. Hmm… #Lester
    ___

    Probably because they have all been wrong and way too quick to post on twitter.

  • SweetSpot

    Interesting; LoHud made this change supposedly to enhance security and privacy; it’s only made it worse. Share your public Facebook information with the CR9 crazies out there? They have got to be kidding. Of course, I think the real reason is another failing newspaper is hoping to mine and sell Facebook data to marketers or some variation on that theme. RAB rocks.

    • http://riveraveblues austinmac

      I think you are right on the real reason for the Lohud change. You do recall the questionnaire that was sent out shortly before the change. Not a coincidence.

      Life is change. It is good to read familiar people as well as the ones new to me.

      • Giuseppe Franco

        I didn’t bother to read the questionnaire but it’s obvious they voluntarily killed the blog.

    • Rick

      LoHud could’ve also went the ESPN route and changed their commenting policy in order to clean up their posting. People are much less likely to be internet thugs when their real name is attached. Thankfully, RAB doesn’t really have the problem. Most (nearly all) people are incredibly respectful to others and truly want to talk baseball.

      • Giuseppe Franco

        Yeah, but there are always ways around that.

        It doesn’t take much effort to create a dummy account and remain anonymous.

        • Rick

          Very true, which I think ESPN is finding to be the case as well.

      • RetroRob

        Well, there is our game threads on RAB, which can draw out the trolls!

        • Rick

          HA! The game threads tend to get a little wild. You are correct, sir.

    • Dalek Jeter

      I’ve been a RAB poster for a number of years, you guys aren’t kidding about this CR9 guy? That sounds ridiculous and sort of like somebody got lost on their way to /b.

  • RhapsodyInBlue

    Would be something to have the O’s give up young players to the Sox and then have Lester return which he has already said that he would do.

  • ac1

    I have to hope the Orioles are too smart to make Boston that much better long term to take Lester only to have him go back (or somewhere not Baltimore) in the offseason….

    • MTU

      Sounds like great potential for someone to get the shaft.

  • Bob

    So many of these trade rumors are just made up by media outlets and individuals to get their names out there. Maybe they get lucky and get one right but don’t think that’s what they really care about. See it every year.

  • RhapsodyInBlue

    I would have guessed FB. I thought they were working on an upgrade for security and hoped they would allow cut and paste photos, photo shopping etc.

  • Hankflorida

    Last year, the bullpen imploded from overwork as the starting pitching could not hold the fort. Looking at our starters now, I do not see the light at the end of the tunnel unless Tanaka gets back and the Yankees can make a deal for another arm. If we had “Murderer’s Row and Cano,” I could see this pitching staff as is get us to at least that one playoff game in October.

  • http://RAB Yankee Trader

    I’d be surprised if the Yankees pull the trigger and trade for Marlon Byrd.

    Yankees don’t seem to be interested in taking on his aging prolonged deal. Think , ugh, John Mayberry Jr.

    Olney says O’s. not close on Lester deal, but wouldn’t Bundy and Gonzalez do it for a rental in Lester..

    Wish Michael Cuddyer was healthy and available. He came up as a third baseman played second and first for the Twins ,as well as right-field. Good clubhouse guy.

    • Bret The Hitman

      Agreed, I think there is still hope Beltran can play the outfield and he’s on year 1 of a 3-year deal.

      Rios or Willingham make the most sense. Rios has the Yankees on his partial no-trade and he may want his option picked up which would complicate things.

      Nevertheless the Rangers (and Rays) had special assignment scouts at Trenton.

  • Rick

    Re: John Lester. •Jon Heyman of CBS Sports tweets that a mystery team is becoming more involved.

    The famous mystery team. Either free agency has come early or Scott Boras is running the Red Sox.

    • Mikhel

      Heyman mostly talks about Boras’ clients, he has become more like a spokesman for Scottie’s moves and “negotiations” with other teams. Even when Lester is not represented by Boras, it sounds awful Boras-like.

      • TWTR

        Heyman is ever too willing to spread misinformation for future inside information.

    • blake

      it’s not a trade deadline without a Jon Heyman mystery team…..ironically the mystery team is usually the Phillies. Maybe Amaro is going to trade Cliff Lee to himself

    • Bret The Hitman

      Maybe scratching Lester lured the mystery team.

  • Grant Balfour

    Good luck with Orioles physical Lester.

  • Daniel

    I keep telling myself that when and if Pineda comes back this year, after 1-3 starts he WILL be going down with some type of injury/discomfort/setback. I can’t allow myself to get excited about the guy anymore. It wrecks havoc on me emotionally.

  • http://riveraveblues austinmac

    I don’t trust that Lester and the Sox don’t have a handshake deal for next year allowing the team to build with only losing out on him in the lost year.

    It irritates me the team is said to be looking at upgrades for this year only. Is next year another budgetary crisis? It reminds me of the attitude before 2013. That worked great.

    • Rick

      I said the same thing in a previous thread. There appears to be a great deal of shadiness surrounding the situation.

    • Patrick

      Well in the case of Byrd you don’t want his option to vest because next year Beltran would be able to play some in the field. Also, the Yankees could be targeting a player in free agency this winter that would be an upgrade over Byrd but if the option vests you are kind of stuck with him.

      • TWTR

        Jeez, no to Byrd.

      • CountryClub

        He’s signed for next year; the vesting option is for 16.

        • Patrick

          Oh my mistake. In that case, definitely no.

    • Bigdan

      I think the Yanks have a considerably better chance of signing Lester in the off season than the Sox. The Sox are like the anti-Yanks. They won’t give long contracts to players over 30 and they think nothing of starting four rookies in their lineup.

      I honestly don’t know how the Sox will be competitive next year with their pitching.

  • MTU

    Is Headley definitely a rental ?

    I’m thinking he likes the PS.

    • CountryClub

      Not sure he’d want to sign if he wasn’t going to be the starting 3rd baseman.

      • MTU

        Why wouldn’t he be ?

        He’s better than AR.

        AR can be more a FT DH.

        Or if we are really lucky he’ll some how disappear.

        • TWTR

          He’s better than A-Rod defensively. We don’t know whether or not he is better offensively.

          • MTU

            Which AR are you thinking of ?

            Because the current one is no longer an offensive force.

            Although he is offensive.

            Headley, if healthy, can definitely put up better #’s and is a gold glover too boot.

          • RetroRob

            Both of them will be a bit of a mystery offensively. Headley because of his back, and A-Rod because of his age, injuries and time off. The Yankees will certainly get to see Headley up close for the next couple of months, but I’d still be concerned about a long-term contract with him. Back problems can become chronic.

            • MTU

              That is understandable.

        • CountryClub

          Oh, I don’t disagree about him being better at this point in their careers. But if Arod is on the team, and he’s actually healthy enough to play, they will have him at 3rd.

          The problem is, I don’t expect him to stay healthy for long.

          • MTU

            It is a shame AR stands in the way.

            I make him mostly a DH and keep a guy like Headley.

            Better yet. make him disappear.

            • CountryClub

              The problem with making him a FT DH is Beltran, Teix, McCann, etc…

              Maybe if the Phillies just cut Howard loose it’ll push the Yanks to do the same thing with Arod.

              • MTU

                Yes. I forget half the Team is on Geritol.

          • RetroRob

            Ideal situation would be Headley at third, with A-Rod DHing and serving as the back-up 3B’man. The problem is the Yankees don’t have an open slot at DH. Beltran will need a lot of time there.

            Hopefully Headley makes this a tough decision for the Yankees, meaning he hits great over the remainder of the season forcing them to consider signing him. If nothing else, it means the Yankees got a great three months out of him.

    • blake

      I think he’ll be open to a 1 year deal to re-establish his value and if so I’d certainly be interested in that…..he’s not a star but he’s a good player.

      • Patrick

        Hi Blake :)

        I agree with Headley and I’d definitely take him on a one year deal after the season. He may get significant multi year offers though, would you be willing to commit to him for 4-5 years?

        • blake

          and hit Btw good to see you!

        • blake

          nah….can’t do that. I like him a lot but I’d have to keep it short term for now.

      • MTU

        Blake-

        He certainly has taken to the bright lights so far.

        If he stays healthy he’s a very good player.

    • Bigdan

      Cashman has come out publically and called Headley a rental. Unless something odd happens with Arod (suspension?), hard to imagine any scenario where Headley is re-signed.

      Unless the Yanks make the postseason this season, this becomes a poor acquisition. Forget about De Paula, Solarte alone stands to be a very valuable major league player over the next several years. He would have been extremely valuable to the Yanks as a utility IF next year. But after this season, Headley is gone. So he and the Yanks better make the most of it now.

      • TWTR

        That may be because he was priced as a rental, so that guided the negotiations. Subject to what they do with A-Rod and Hal’s ever-changing state of mind, things could change.

        I’m not buying the Solarte thing.

      • Patrick

        Any traded player who’s contract is over at the end of the season is a rental. Doesn’t mean it can’t be a rental with a choice to buy. Don’t read too much in to Cashman calling Headley a rental, if he continues playing well the Yankees will try to re-sign him.

        • MTU

          I hope that’s the case Patrick.

        • Dalek Jeter

          “Don’t read too much into Cashman calling Headley a rental.”

          Really, don’t read too much into anything Cashman says about specific players publicly. I’m just throwing it out there: “Bubba Crosby is our starting centerfielder.”

      • RetroRob

        Cash did call him a rental, but I wouldn’t read too much into that. First, Cashman purposely misleads with his statements for a variety of reasons. Chief reason, however, is if he said that Headley was going to be the regular 3B’man moving forward (or they wanted to sign him, more appropriately), it would cause a firestorm, feeding the media and blogs on what that meant about A-Rod. Cashman isn’t going there, and that is the main reason he purposely said he’s a rental.

        Doesn’t mean the Yankees won’t sign him.

      • Bret The Hitman

        Hi BigDan!

        Cashman meant, ‘Rent to Own’

    • JLC 776

      Even Cashman has said that Headley is a rental – it’s highly unlikely he returns.

  • http://RAB Yankee Trader

    Hi Austinmac.

    Lester is from Tacoma . Could the Mariners be the dark horse?

    • MTU

      Yes.

      Good to see you.

    • I’m One

      Yankee Trader,

      Pleeeeaaase use the reply button. It will keep all comments on a specific topic together and make this site easier to follow. Thank you.

      • Bob

        Yes, please!!!

    • http://Riveraveblues Austinmac

      Hi Trader. It’s good to see you over here.

      Think anything will happen in the next 20 hours.? I don’t think I do.

  • SweetSpot

    I don’t believe Lester would ever go back to the Sox. Whenever a player is dealt, especially when a team doesn’t want to pay him, it’s just too uncomfortable. Also keep in mind Lackey and Lester are best buds. If Lackey goes to the Marlins I can’t see why Lester would even think about going back.

    • MTU

      I think that depends on where he lands.

      For example, if he winds up w the M’s and they want to pay him I sure don’t see him returning.

    • Patrick

      Yeah but what if the Sox GM goes to Lester beforehand and talks with him about it? Tell him, look we really want to keep you and sign you long term but we aren’t competing this year. What if we trade you for 2 months, get some good players in return and we will make you a great offer in free agency? I think he would go for it.

      Imagine if they traded him to the Orioles and got him back in the winter? Keep your player and weaken a division rival at the same time.

  • RhapsodyInBlue

    Yeah Lester to Seattle Montero part of a package to the Sox.

    • Dalek Jeter

      Link? we don’t like fake news here.

  • refsnyder4nyy

    Why do they refuse to call up refsnyder?

    • Dalek Jeter

      Because even though he has mashed in double and triple A, this is his first year in the upper minors, he’s still very young and the word is his defense is Roberts-esc at best.

      • entonces

        Ref is at least adequate with glove.

        • RetroRob

          Unknown. Defense is one of the key areas he needs to work on.

  • RhapsodyInBlue

    Pete Abe posting news that they would also like to trade Lackey he suggests that they are amassing prospects for trades this winter and he mentions Tulo, Stanton. With no pitching?

  • Hankflorida

    In my seventy five years of following the Yankees, I have never witnessed an outfield of Gardner, Ellsbury or Ichiro playing together regarding home run power. Gardner is surprising me but I do not see him approaching even Damon’s power numbers when he played at the Stadium. I would like to see the Yankees get a real power hitter to play with Gardner and Ellsbury. I have been spoiled growing up with DiMaggio, Keller and Heinrich, and it is hard for me to see an entire outfield produce less round trippers then Mantle did in one season.

  • CountryClub

    Buster Olney ?@Buster_ESPN 4m
    Yankees are positioned for the last day salary dumps, when opposing teams drop pretenses and just try to move salaries to save money.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      There is an entire trade deadline thread for this stuff.

      • CountryClub

        Thought this was running as an open thread; my bad.

      • Bob

        Gonna take some getting used to for lohuders.

      • n0exit

        I’m glad you’re trying Mike, but I think the saying goes “the horse has bolted”; “the ship has sailed”; “the chicken has flown the coop”. Think of this place now as an overcrowded Californian prison; everyone is in their cell at night, but there are no rules during the day. I don’t know if you’ve ever met chad, or will ever talk to him, but if you do, be sure to thank him. Enjoy!

      • Dalek Jeter

        c’mon Mike. I know we all (regular RAB’ers)wanna keep comment sections on point, but there was a time not too long ago when every. single. thread. devolved into “The Pro’s and Con’s of Stephen Drew.”

        • n0exit

          Haha, this is a good point. I think with the trade deadline craziness, and the great lohud migration of 2014, we should give some leeway for the next few days, after which maybe things will settle down.

          • Dalek Jeter

            Yeah, I’m willing to accept a few days grace period for all of them to refind each other and then integrate with the way we comment here…plus it always sort of gets like this at the deadline.

    • Bret The Hitman

      Big game hunting – I predict the Yankees come away with one of Lee/Kemp.

      Don’t shoot the messenger.

  • entonces

    Red Sox look like they’re going to sucker a couple of clubs in seller’s
    market for pitching.
    These deals rarely have impact buyers expect. Especially with pitchers. Even if healthy, how many starts can they make? A guy goes maybe 4-2 or 5-3 and you’ve lost two of your best prospects to get him. Lackey’s also a bad guy to have around from what I hear. But Sox will restock farm and be able to sign free agents next winter without losing draft picks. jate to say it but they play the system like a drum.

    • entonces

      *hate*

    • Paisa

      They haven’t played anything yet. Lester is still on the team, the return for him is yet to be seen, and this whole notion that he had a handshake deal with the red sox just bc he said he “enjoys being a red sock” is ridiculous. On top of that they have had shit teams 4 out of the last 5 years. The red sox are this weird entity that gets credit for being the most savvy player for virtually no reason. They’re the Hillary Clinton of baseball.

  • MTU

    Odds Tanaka makes it back w/o needing TJS ?

    I’m going w less than 50%.

    Odds Pineda can stay on the mound the rest of the season ?

    I’m going w 60%

    • Dalek Jeter

      I’ll be optimistic and take the over on both. Tanaka may miss the rest of the season, but won’t need TJS and Pineda will be pitching in pinstripes by the last week of August the latest.

      • MTU

        IMO if MT misses the rest of the season it will be because he has gotten TJS.

        • Dalek Jeter

          That is a fair opinion. I’m just sort of in denial that there is even a chance that Tanaka might need TJS. He was so good, imagine if he was healthy and the rotation was Tanaka, Kuroda, McCarthy, Phelps, Greene? That alone would be a huge improvement over Whitely/Capuano starting every 5 days.

      • I’m One

        Ever the optimist myself, I’m with you on both.

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        That’s the spirit.

    • CountryClub

      The only thing that gives me hope about Tanaka is that 3 or 4 Drs all told him to go the rehab route. Doesn’t mean they’ll be correct, but it was good that they all agreed.

      • MTU

        They always take the conservative approach 1st.

        Odds of success remain against it working.

        Although it does work sometimes.

        I hope he is one of the lucky ones.

        Otherwise they are just delaying the inevitable.

        • CountryClub

          Yeah but even if he had the surgery at the start of July he wasn’t going to be much help in 2015. He wouldn’t be back to full strength until 2016 anyway. So worth the shot in this case, I think.

    • Bret The Hitman

      I’m going with Tanaka TJS and Pineda stays on the mound the rest of the season. Rotation is led by Pineda until Amaro lowers his demands for Cliff Lee.

      Cliff Lee
      Michael Pineda
      Hiroki Kuroda
      Brandon McCarthy
      David Phelps

      • Bret The Hitman

        Then in 2015, CC replaces Kuroda while we wait on Tanaka and Nova to heal from TJS. We see a resurgence from Manny Banuelos after his 1st season post TJS.

        Cliff Lee
        Michael Pineda
        CC Sabathia
        Brandon McCarthy
        David Phelps
        Manny Banuelos

        You can see with all the injuries to the rotation how it could be worthwhile to pay 50+ million for Cliff Lee as a short-term fix atop the rotation.

    • Madrugador

      Looks like this is where the quality from Lohud ended up. Glad I found it.

      • Exiledintampa

        Mike Axisa?@mikeaxisa·11 mins
        All the LoHud commenters invaded RAB and it’s the worst thing ever.

        Doesn’t look lke Mike is too happy about it.

        • Bret The Hitman

          He’ll get over it, like the parents of a teenager left home alone for the first time to an empty house large enough to accommodate an amateur rager. Sure, when they return home there is a certain shock and an urge to harm the teen but eventually you just realize it’s part of life and move on.

          • Havok9120

            Mike is capable of….retaliation.

            I’m hoping for a more peaceful solution. It’s not as if using the Open Thread is all that big a hassle.

            • The Big City of Dreams

              They will learn soon enough. It takes a while to get out of the Lohud state of mind

        • HansDavenport

          I cannot blame him one bit. Wait until he sees the game threads and finds out it even gets worse.

      • mick

        More to come…

    • RetroRob

      Less than 10% on Tanaka. They’re going to see if it gets better with treatment because they have nothing to lose. TJS last month or next month means he’s out until 2016.

      I’ll take over 60% on Pineda.

      • http://RAB Yankee Trader

        PRP and stem cells are fairly new , and supposedly This is a very small 10% UCL tear in Tanaka’s elbow.

        Hopefully he makes it back without any recurrence of pain and a follow up MRI shows an intact ligament, but there is no history out there to compare the results with a small tear, as far as I know.

  • SweetSpot

    I’m not that concerned with Byrd’s 2016 option. Worse case scenario the Yankees can eat $8 million. His 20 home runs .270/.318/.477 looks pretty good right about now compared to what we’ve been getting out of right field. Maybe not totally ideal, but another incremental move that could give us a better shot at the post-season. I think we need a bat in right; open to other suggestions.

    • Pkyankfan69

      Agreed…

      “2016 option guaranteed with 600 plate appearances in 2015 or 1,100 PAs in 2014-15, including 550 PAs in 2015″

      Byrd would need 550 plate appearances next year to get that 2016 club option guaranteed. If he’s playing well enough next year to get 550 PA’s then he we might even want him for 2016 or he will be very tradeable. Don’t really see the down side aside from the Phillies asking for a lot of prospects for him. If he sucks next year I’m sure we can not let him get 550 PA’s and then we can decline the club option.

  • Jorge Steinbrenner

    Get back in your “injured” box, Big Mike, goddamnit! We’re not supposed to count on you!

    *kicks teres major muscle*
    *hides all the pine tar*

    Somewhere in here, there must be someone laughing at the Brian Roberts story, but I couldn’t tell since it’s Open Thread Happy Hour.

    I do like that Shame Spencer, I must admit.

    • The Big City of Dreams

      I do like that Shame Spencer, I must admit.

      —————

      That’s was pretty obvious. You replied to a number of her posts in one of the threads. She’s head over heels for Chad though so you have some competition lol.

  • Jorge Steinbrenner

    Pete Abraham just tweeted that Mike Axisa and Facebook are closed to finalizing a three-year deal after seeing 180 comments, about 1/3 of which were about injuries, on the site.

    • Dalek Jeter

      OH MY GOODNESS GRACIOUS OF ALL THE DRAMATIC THINGS I’VE EVER SEEN MIKE AXISA IS IN MARK ZUCKERBERG’S BOX

      • Deep Thoughts

        well done sir.

  • wanzies222

    Greetings…

    So is this the anti-FB place to be?

    Steve

    • MTU

      Yup.

      What’s the word ?

    • Bret The Hitman

      Hi Steve!

      Rumors, we want RUMORS

      • wanzies222

        Hi there…

        Lots of rumors… most of what is being reported is planted, of course. Yankees are notorious for keeping their real intent secret.

        The scouts are the ones to watch this time of year.

        I’ll try to help, though.

        Any particular names you’re interested in knowing about?

        Steve

        • MTU

          Where do we stand on Danks ?

          • wanzies222

            Hi Mike,

            That would be a shocker. Bad money and his medicals aren’t great.

            Much better options out there, IMO.

            Steve

            • MTU

              Such as ?

              • SweetSpot

                Dayan Viciedo?

                • wanzies222

                  Eh… not on top of their list. Smokescreen.

                  • SweetSpot

                    Thank God!

              • wanzies222

                Keuchel. Hamels. Arrieta. de la Rosa

                • MTU

                  Thanks Steve

                  • wanzies222

                    How have you been, Mike?

        • Bret The Hitman

          Ok, what’s your take on the special scouts assigned to Trenton from the Rangers + Rays?

          • wanzies222

            Yanks are interested in a few Rangers…Cotts, Rios and Sardinas. AA roster is a pretty attractive place for Rangers to look… O’Brien being top of their list.

            • entonces

              O’Brien remarkably under-rated on this board. The guy has 33 HRs and it’s still July but some think he strikes out too much. Not surprised Rangers would be interested.

              • wanzies222

                He’s drawing a lot of interest.

                And rightfully so. He’d be interesting in that launching pad in Texas.

                He doesn’t really fit in the NYY’s, so I’d be stunned if he ever wears pinstripes.

            • Bret The Hitman

              What have you heard about Cliff Lee?

              • wanzies222

                Bad elbow. Took two months to get back to mediocre.

                The earliest he would be moved is August, but even then he’d have to show a drastic increase in command.

                His “misses” are typical of bad elbows.

                Danger, Will Robinson.

                • wanzies222

                  Okay, I’m going to the “Trade Open Thread” and see what’s going on over there.

                  Steve

                  • Jorge Steinbrenner

                    This……is not good.

                    • HansDavenport

                      Wait until the game thread. Especially if you think this was bad.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          Wait wait wait……you claim to have special info?

          This is rich.

          • The Big City of Dreams

            He has been right in the past on certain deals.

  • Dalek Jeter

    KJ and Pineda: Please get back as quick as you can. Same for Tanaks…also, don’t need surgery. YOu’ll break my heart if you do.

  • Jaclyn P.

    I would rather the Yankees not take any more bad contracts or sell off any more youth.

  • blake

    @mikeaxisa: All the LoHud commenters invaded RAB and it’s the worst thing ever.

    Guess the extra traffic isn’t welcome….fine ….later RAB

    • Bret The Hitman

      Seriously Blake? It’s not like you to be all emo like this.

      • The Big City of Dreams

        He’s just joking

  • Betty Lizard

    Christ in a handbag. For the love of Satan and the undead and all humanist principles, please, LoHuddites, please, please, please:

    –Read the topic of the thread. Does it say Open Thread? If not, then stay on the topic.

    –Don’t announce your arrival or departure.

    –Use the reply button so your replies nest. You know, they actually “reply” to something.

    –Don’t repost your comments from the previous thread.

    Yes, soul-crushing deadlines crush the soul and I am a bit vexed and peevish and the last thing I want to do is read 200+ comments on the injury update thread when most of those comments have nothing to do with the injuries to Pineda, Roberts and Johnson.

    There is at least one open thread a day.

    Please give a girl—and lots of other readers—a break.

    /rant

    • Jerkface

      I suggest no one use the reply button as nested comments are awful. Especially with a large and active comment base it forces users to do a lot of re-reading to find new comments. The superior option is chronological comments with quote boxes, and failing that straight chronological order.

      • Betty Lizard

        No thanks. RAB has nested comments. Commenters here use them. They make it possible to actually have a dialogue about an issue and for those reading to skim over sub-discussions of no interest.

        If you have a “reply fail” and your reply posts as a new comment, which can happen occasionally by accident, the convention here is to apologize. And to not do it again multiple times in a thread.

        You’ll find new comments at the bottom. You’ll find new replies in the nested thread you were commenting in. That seems straightforward to me.

        To quote the owner of the blog:

        Please look over the Commenting Guidelines if you’re new and especially note that we ask you to keep comments on topic. Also use the “reply” button to keep conversations organized. We’re not asking much. Thanks in advance.

        • Jerkface

          Hi,

          But here is the problem, and maybe one that didn’t exist with only 5 people posting here in the comment section, but when you have MULTIPLE conversations you’re interested in, finding ‘new’ comments is incredibly time consuming in a nested format. You have to go to multiple different locations in the post and hope that a new comment shows up.

          Chronological with quote boxes has the same function of grouping your conversation with who you were replying to with the added functionality of being able to find the new posts easier.

          I’m sorry but nested comments are awful and inefficient. The rate of conversation outscales their usefulness way too fast for them to be of any use on a popular website.

          • Havok9120

            Every modern browser has a find function. It, in combination with nested comments, makes finding any comment you want a trivial exercise.

            • Jerkface

              Thats just as time consuming as scrolling through and using my eyes. It requires remembering either key users (and hoping that they did not post that often) or some portion of a conversation thread to find it. No, thats not a solution really to the specific problem I’m laying out. Chronological is superior.

              There is a reason 99% of blogs/forums/conversation things everywhere do not use nested comments.

          • Betty Lizard

            I don’t know where you get the only 5 people posting here as threads frequently have hundreds of comments. Nicely nested with multiple conversations.

            Use “find” if you get lost, please.

            • Jerkface

              Its really not about getting lost, its about being efficient in reading the comments. I like to read and participate in most conversations related to the Yankees. Maybe I’m an edge case ‘power user’ and most RAB users only stick to 1 conversation in any given thread, but I want to be able to find and read all the new comments because I may or may not have an opinion on it.

              Nested comments are just really bad for that.

              Same with partitioning comments strictly on topic in a blog. This isn’t a forum, so blog posts with new comments are not bumped to the top (they are if Mike updates the post but thats not really what Im talking about), and a lot of what people want is to talk during the day about the Yankees and the easiest way to find readers is in the latest post.

      • SweetSpot

        That’s pretty disrespectful. You are new here, it’s arrogant to tell an existing site and it’s members what they should do. If you don’t care for how they do things you can always leave and go back to Lo Hud. It’s one thing to give your opinion, it’s quite another to tell people to violate the guidelines.

        • Jerkface

          I’m not new here though. I’ve posted here for years, albeit sparingly.

          • Havok9120

            Which would matter if your (rather public) disdain for the readerbase here hadn’t already poisoned the waters.

            • Jerkface

              I have no disdain for the reader base. I have a disdain for the format that is being used for conversation. If you are taking offense at my disdain for nested comments that would be weird and entirely a problem on your end.

              • Havok9120

                I’m more referring to things I remember you saying about the site and its commenters in the past. Though I readily admit I may be misattributing some of it.

                • Jerkface

                  I don’t know what that would be about. I’ve always had great respect for RAB & Mike & crews posts as I read them every day. My most public vehemence against RAB is based purely on nested commenting, which I have spoken out against on LOHUD when they briefly tried to go to that format.

        • Bret The Hitman

          It’s Jerkface we’re talking about here. They’ll learn.

      • way back

        Talk about waltzing in and taking over!!
        This comments section works fine with nesting. Long strings of quotes summarizing conversations betweeen two parties that nobody else much care about slows down the blog far more.

    • wanzies222

      Sorry. I may be wrong, but I think a lot of the Lohudders are used to chronological threads; this format is smarter than I am, but I’ll try to be more disciplined.

      No disrespect meant.

      Steve

    • Dalek Jeter

      –Don’t announce your arrival or departure.
      –Use the reply button so your replies nest. You know, they actually “reply” to something.
      –Don’t repost your comments from the previous thread.

      Repeated for emphasis. I don’t care as much as getting off topic, because that does tend to happen around deadline time, so I’ll grant them that grace. But everything else, seriously LoHuddites, it’s not that hard.

      • http://RAB Yankee Trader

        Did anyone agree with my medical assessment on Tanaka and the use of PRP/ stem cells for UCL tears?

        New to this site like all my other excellent fellow LoHud posters, but how on earth can one really track down a reply to a reply ?

        Lost in translation!

        But glad to be here, and on board with Mike.

        • Dalek Jeter

          If somebody had replied to your assessment on Tanaka and PRP/Stem Cells it would appear right under your reply to RetroRob, just as I replied to Betty and you in turn replied to me. I understand it’s not how most forums work and there will be an adjustment period, but you all seem like smart enough people so I think you should be able to figure it out.

          • http://RAB Yankee Trader

            Dalek

            So then do you need to keep track of the time you made a reply so you can easily find it after there are many more posts?

            Give us all some hints on how to make this blog meaningful and on track discussing NYY issues and help with replies to further stimulate discussion.

            • Dalek Jeter

              “So you need to keep track of the time you made a reply so you can easily find it…” Yes, another thing you can do is set up email alerts to when you’re replied to. What I tend to do if I want to see if somebody has responded to an earlier comment (on google chrome) is ctrl+F and then just search my name.

              • Jerkface

                I just want to point out that the fact you have to create alternate systems that are not designed within the format to keep track of your conversations is evidence against their efficacy.

                • Mr. Roth

                  If you don’t like the forum, then GTFO. No one will miss you or even give a rat’s ass, I promise.

                • Havok9120

                  I don’t think anyone is trying to claim that this is the best possible system. But the people here prefer more organized dialogue. That includes the blog’s owner.

                  Pinstriped Bible is a viable alternative if this system annoys you too much.

            • Mr. Roth

              Hit ctrl+f and type in your username. You can find every reply you made in a thread.

              • Jerkface

                I want to find new posts by any user, not look at my own posts. Thanks for the PRO TIP though.

                • Mr. Roth

                  Then open the thread and read the comments. They’re timestamped. It’s not exactly rocket science. If it’s too hard for you, then you might need to find a different Yankee blog.

                  • Jerkface

                    And if I have already read the comments once? Say at 2 pm? And now I have to find all the comments after 2 PM? You see the problem with this format in this case?

                    This format goes against actively reading and responding on the blog. It works ok if you read an old thread that no longer generates new replies.

                    I think I will work for change on this one, since its pretty good.

                    • Havok9120

                      Many of us here would be happy to see a new commenting system, as people that have commented regularly for years are quite familiar with this system’s faults. Since Mike has said such a drastic change in the site’s format is not forthcoming, we should make the best of it if we want to comment here.

                      “Working for change” by disregarding the commenting guidelines and annoying the site’s regulars, as you advocated above, does not constitute making the best of it.

                    • Jerkface

                      I can’t reply to your post because it has run out of nesting (who would have ever thought this was a possibility?!!) so I am replying to myself. I hope you can find this new reply, Havok9120! I typed your full name so that your ctrl+f will return this as a potential hit.

                      As you may have noticed I have, in my protest to this format, posted entirely within the format guidelines, so I am not averse to following the rules. But honestly if everyone followed the format guidelines in terms of topic posting but did so chronologically instead of using the reply button the site would be much better. It’d certainly LOOK a whole lot better as these nested comments are ugly as hell.

                      I will dream of a future RAB with a better comment system, even if Mike said he does not want to change. I expect some of that desire not to change comes from this being a free site and the effort that might go into it.

                    • Mr. Roth

                      I’m sure there are other alternatives that would be more efficient, but it’s not nearly as difficult as you’re trying to make it out to be.

                  • The Big City of Dreams

                    If it’s too hard for you, then you might need to find a different Yankee blog.

                    ————–

                    Whoa calm down

                    • Mr. Roth

                      I’m calm, bro. I’m calm.

                • Mr. Roth

                  Not to mention the fact that my initial “pro tip” wasn’t directed at you, genius.

                  • Jerkface

                    Thanks for the pro correction, but it was in response to a topic I am talking about so I’m taking it as fair game! As evidence by my direct reply.

                    • Mr. Roth

                      Then don’t presume that I’m going to tailor my response to suit your needs if I’m not even responding to you.

                • Havok9120

                  I believe both of us were under the impression that you (and others) were after a way to quickly find replies to your own posts. We gave you one. If that’s not what you were after, say so. There’s no need to be belligerent.

        • Havok9120

          I saw it. I honestly don’t know enough about the procedure to say whether or not it might help.

          If it really is as small a tear as is rumored and there really is a new treatment that increases the chance of rehab working without surgery, then sign me up. Especially since there’s no meaningful difference between him having the surgery now and having it in a month or two.

    • Pkyankfan69

      I think we’re going to have to schedule some creamed corn wrestling to iron out some of these differences

    • Havok9120

      I won’t rant about it, as I’m not in the midst of a soul-crushing deadline, but I will ask that these things happen.

      They’re the (very leiniet) rules that the owner of the blog has asked commenters to follow, and it’s the system the regulars here have made work very well for years. We’re happy to have you all here (most of us, anyway), and I think everyone understands that it will take some time for the readerbases to merge, but many of the readers here have preferred commenting at RAB over LoHud precisely because we found LoHud’s comment section to disorganized to be enjoyable.

      All the same: welcome! I’m happy to see new blood here.

      • Jimmy

        This.

    • HansDavenport

      Wait until you see a game thread by these people. It’s the Walton’s meet Annie Wilkes.

  • mick

    This place better get ready for some changes…

    • Dalek Jeter

      OR new readers/commenters can adjust to the way this “place” has been forever. You’re literally walking into a strangers home who opens their doors to everybody for free and saying “if you want me to stay here you better change to suit me.” No, you change to suit the place, not the other way around.

      • wanzies222

        Q:

        Please use the discussion that I had with MTU and a couple of the others above as an example.

        Where is the appropriate place to conduct that discussion?

        Thanks for your help.

        Steve

        • Dalek Jeter

          Three places:

          1 would be the open thread set up this morning (if you scroll down on the main page you’ll see it, it’s titled something to the effect of “Open Thread: Eve of Deadline”).

          The second would be in the “Thoughts prior to the deadline” as “thoughts” threads almost always branch out into sort of “morning open threads” and as this one was specifically about the deadline, your chatter about possible activity would be perfect there.

          Finally, this is an idea that was floated this morning; if you look at the masthead of the sight you’ll see a bunch of tabs. One of them is marked “off topic.” That used to be an absolutely open thread where you could talk about anything, but overtime it went and died. It’s still open and you guys coming over from LoHud could honestly be the spark it needs to bring it back to life.

          I’m sorry if you’re friends with Mick but the way he said that got me a little upset.

          • wanzies222

            Thanks for the help.

            And btw, if you were kicking me around earlier, I had no clue…lol.

            Shows you how much I need to learn about navigating this format.

            Thanks again.

            Steve

            • Dalek Jeter

              I wasn’t, your convo above about trade targets and the like was the first I saw your name. Like I said above to Yankee Trader: most of you seem like smart people and it’s a new space so obviously there is going to be an adjustment period, but I expect most of you will come through and come to understand how our little corner of the internet works.

          • HansDavenport

            It should. Oh my gosh I was so afraid that place would fold. Wait until you see the drama at their game threads.

        • Havok9120

          The Trade Deadline Open Thread would have been ideal. Open Threads are meant for discussion of anything and everything (though politics and religion tend spiral out of control, sometimes forcing Mike to crack down on such subjects).

          • wanzies222

            Thanks.

      • The Big City of Dreams

        Don’t mind mick. He’s not serious.

      • Old Man Time

        Agreed 100%. I don’t mind new commenters, but don’t come in here telling RAB how it’s going to be.

  • JGYank

    Wow that’s a lot of comments. Either there’s more Roberts hate or RAB has gained some new visitors. And amazingly Refsnyder has only been brought up a few times.

    • Havok9120

      LoHud changed its comments to be Facebook-based. Most of the LoHudders have migrated over here rather than expose their personal information to the well known whackjob that’s been terrorizing them for years.

      We are in something of a transitional period.

      • JGYank

        I can tell. Comment sections will be a lot longer.

      • Jaclyn P.

        How was there a whackjob terrorizing them? Couldn’t they just ban the whackjob?

        • Havok9120

          Apparently the guy was finding personal information and using it to stalk posters in real life.

          Then he threatened Chad’s family, because he’s a TRUE FAN.

        • The Big City of Dreams

          Banned multiple times came back under different names. He even came back using names of family members of various posters.

          • Jorge Steinbrenner

            How in the world did they do that?

            • The Big City of Dreams

              Not sure exactly how but used Facebook and even amazon e-mail addresses to find his info. He first did this yrs ago and then it died down. But over the past yr or so he came back with a vengeance. Even mentioned the names of dead relatives, spoke about the health issues of other members, wished death on players, made pedo remarks, etc. It was hell over there.

        • HansDavenport

          Most of them are whack jobs.

    • Jimmy

      Steven Drew.

      That felt good for old times sake.

      • Havok9120

        A couple of us were just talking in another venue about how Trade Deadline Time almost always takes over every thread just like Stephen Drew did earlier in the season.

  • http://RAB Yankee Trader

    OK

    I found the RAB guidelines on the open thread.

    Here’s the link. Hope that’s OK

    http://riveraveblues.com/about.....uidelines/

  • mick

    LaGreca and Flaherty ripping Kay.

    • Jaclyn P.

      What for?

  • forensic

    Good to see KJ may see more time at 2B down the stretch. Hopefully some consistent PT can help him find his power stroke.

    And 300 comments in an injury update post? I’m sure they’re all right on topic…

    • Havok9120

      Every single one.

      Transition period.

      • forensic

        Rough transition period. I know old habits can die hard, but if you go to a new place, at least try to follow the guidelines established by the creators of the site. Hopefully it gets better sooner rather than later.

        • Jerkface

          This format may struggle under the burden of an increased conversation & user base, so change may be necessary. I mean at a certain length the nesting loses all meaning, and it already has its issues when looked at on mobile.

          • forensic

            The format has lasted through and done fine with huge nests and huge comment numbers of well over 1,000 in a thread. It’ll be fine now if people use it correctly. I wasn’t a big fan of it initially when I first came here years ago, but it’s grown on me and I can’t deal with any other style now.

            As for the mobile version, all mobile versions of sites suck, IMO. Just use the regular web-based versions and it’s much better.

            • Jerkface

              LOHUDs mobile comment section was entirely legible and had a clean format, one of the perks of chronological post systems.

              • forensic

                Lohud’s mobile post format was a nightmare. Clicking in and out of every single post to be able to read more than two sentences of it? Absolutely terrible.

                • Jerkface

                  Not sure what you’re even talking about. You had the main index which was all the blog post titles, clicking one gave a perfectly readable version of the article in question. And the best was the entire comment section was readable! In clean black and white. The only difference between the full version and the mobile version is that the comments were broken up into 50 comment pages in the mobile section.

          • Havok9120

            The mobile site worked fairly well right up until it began showing up on regular PCs and had to be disabled.

          • Jorge Steinbrenner

            Or we could all line up and accept what worked just fine until this morning, as many of the new faces have done already.

            • HansDavenport

              I love this format. Works fine with me.

            • Jerkface

              The format working doesn’t mean its good or worthwhile. RAB has all the issues that youtube/reddit style nesting commentary does without any of the pros of the format (good comments being voted to the top). So you end up with the insane mess that is nested commenting, with no ability to collapse threads into legibility or to have the cream rise to the top.

              Its bad design.

              • BKamm

                If I disliked it that much I would leave. Believe me no one is going to stop you.

    • HansDavenport

      Hope they do put him at 2b.

  • http://Riveraveblues Austinmac

    Salary dump positioning? Great, players others don’t want enough to even pay.

  • Pollyanna

    Was Axisa “JAP” in another life? It seems that the t word isn’t allowed here…

  • mick

    It will be interesting to see how Lohud meets RAB works out.
    I can see where a disciplined approach here might clash with a more spontaneous off the cuff Lohuddian approach.
    Saw an off the cuff remark by someone saying not too happy about the Lohud invasion. Maybe he was just joking.

    • BKamm

      That was Mike Axisa the owner of the blog. He wasn’t joking. Can’t say I blame him. I’m certain he’ll be even less happy after the game thread.

  • Pollyanna

    Hey mick. I don’t think he was joking, and I can understand his feeling. I felt the same way when the NY Times was invaded by the NYDN when that blog shut down.

    By the way, I hope you know who this is posting. I was posting earlier under the “t” word – nothing controversial mind you – but somehow ended up not being able to post.

    :)

    • BKamm

      He’s not concerned with the quantity of the blog. He’s concerned with the quality.

  • Hankflorida

    Dalek Jeter, as a Yankee fan who saw my first game when Lou Gehrig played first, and as one who has meandered here from Lohud, I would be very happy to stick to the topic as the years have taught me, that the shortest distance between two points is a straight line.