Aug
08

Mailbag: Awards, Lindgren, Sept. Call-Ups, AzFL

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Got a nice and big nine-question, seven-answer mailbag for you this week after skipping it last week. Blame the trade deadline. Use the Submit A Tip box in the sidebar to send us questions, comments, links, complaints, whatever. We get a ton of questions each week, so don’t take it personally if yours is not picked.

(Elsa/Getty)

(Elsa/Getty)

nycsportzfan asks: Do you think Joe Girardi could win Manager of the Year even if they don’t make the postseason?

Joe asks: Where is Brett Gardner in the AL MVP voting? No way he wins the award itself but he has to get some votes, no?

Might as well lump these two together. I think Girardi would have a serious chance to win Manager of the Year if they make it to the postseason, but he’ll probably be an afterthought if they miss again. Bob Melvin and Mike Scioscia seem to be the front-runners at the moment, and I’m sure Buck Showalter will get a ton of love if the Orioles win the AL East. John Gibbons would also get plenty of votes if the Blue Jays sneak into the postseason. If Girardi carries this team into the postseason after all the injuries, I have to think he’ll get a ton of consideration for the award.

As for Gardner, I doubt he’ll finish top ten in the MVP voting, maybe not even top 20, but there are always weird down ballot votes every year and he seems like a prime candidate to receive a few. Gardner has not only been the team’s best player this year, he’s also been one of the most productive outfielders in the league. Unless the Yankees completely flop and fall way out of the race these next few weeks, I definitely expect Gardner to get a handful of MVP votes. He’ll never win, but hey, just getting votes is cool.

Joel asks: Can you tell us what percentage of his at-bats Gardner gets to two strikes? I think it’s very high, and I think his batting average with two strikes is close to his batting average.

Prior to yesterday’s game — I’m not waiting around for Baseball Reference to update overnight, sorry — Gardner had gone to a two-strike count in 288 of his 475 plate appearances, or 60.6%. The AL average is 50.4%. In fact, Gardner leads baseball in two-strike plate appearances. Matt Carpenter is second at 287 and Mike Trout is third at 285. No one else is over 280. Gardner has hit .188/.278/.290 in two strike counts this year, and while that sounds terrible, it works out to a 124 OPS+ because the league as a whole has hit .180/.249/.267 with two strikes. Hitting in those situations is mighty tough.

Still no photos of Thornton as a National. (Presswire)

Still no photos of Thornton as a National. (Presswire)

Mark asks: In the simplest terms possible, could you explain the difference between the July and August trade deadlines? I think I have a grasp, but I would like clarification. Thanks in advance

John asks: I’ve been thinking – with the trade waivers period starting up – what would happen if a guy with a no-trade clause was claimed on waivers? Would he have to go to that team? E.g. what if Matt Thornton had a no-trade? Could the Yankees have just let the Nats take him?

Combining two more questions again. After July 31st, any player on the 40-man roster has to go through trade waivers in order to be traded. Trade waivers are completely revocable — if a player is claimed, he can be pulled him back and nothing happens. The player can be traded anywhere if he clears waivers, but if he is claimed, he can only be traded to the team that claimed him (within 48 hours). If a team tries to slip a player through trade waivers a second time, they are irrevocable. A team can also dump the player on the other team if he is claimed, like the Yankees did with Thornton. Players have to be in an organization on August 31st to be eligible for the postseason roster. No exceptions. That makes August 31st almost like a second trade deadline.

The no-trade clause stuff is interesting because there really isn’t an answer. MLB and the union have been arguing about this for years. A no-trade clause is technically a no-assignment clause, and both trades and waiver claims are assignments (as are demotions to Triple-A, etc.). The union says a no-trade clause should allow a player to block going to another team on waivers while MLB argues otherwise. The only time I can remember this even remotely being an issue was when the White Sox claimed Alex Rios from the Blue Jays a few years ago, but Rios agreed to go to Chicago and it was a non-issue. Most guys who have no-trade clauses have contracts other teams don’t want, so they are rarely claimed off waivers anyway.

Ryan asks: If you take a few of those early blowout losses out, what is their run differential? Probably closer to a slightly above .500 team?

The Yankees are currently 60-54 despite a -23 run differential, which says they should be something closer to 54-60. It seems like they win nothing but close games these days. In a one week stretch from April 18th through April 25th, the Yankees lost games by the score of 11-5, 16-1, and 13-1. That’s a -33 run differential right there, so in the other 111 games of the season, the Yankees are at +10. It doesn’t really work like that though, we can’t just ignore select games because they don’t fit a narrative. For example, if we remove their biggest blowout wins (7-0, 14-5, 10-2), they have a -47 run differential on the season. I believe the Yankees’ win-loss record better reflects their talent level than their run differential, but the numbers don’t lie. They are the record of what actually happened on the field.

Leigh asks: I know he has only thrown a handful of innings (and he isn’t on the 40-man roster), but do you think there is a chance we see Jacob Lindgren contribute as a LOOGY in September?

(MiLB.com)

(MiLB.com)

Yes, definitely. I was on the fence up until the Thornton deal (this question was sent in before that), but now I think it’s pretty much a lock as long as Lindgren doesn’t get hurt or completely blow up the rest of the month. I don’t think you draft a pure reliever in the second round and pay him a seven-figure bonus to not get him to the big leagues as quickly as possible. You take him because you think he can help very soon, and Lindgren has done everything he’s needed to do in the minors. I’ll be very surprised if he isn’t up in September at this point.

Greg asks: What can we expect from this year’s class of September call-ups?

In addition to Lindgren, pretty much everyone who is on the 40-man roster and has already been up at some point this year will be back in September. A third catcher is standard and the Yankees will probably call up both John Ryan Murphy and Austin Romine, so make it four catchers. Extra arms like Bryan Mitchell and Matt Daley are a given, ditto Preston Claiborne if he returns from his shoulder injury in time. Zoilo Almonte and Zelous Wheeler are other obvious call-up candidates. My hunch is Manny Banuelos will be called up but Gary Sanchez will not.

Tyler Austin, Danny Burawa, Mason Williams, Mark Montgomery, Branden Pinder, and Nick Goody are among the prospects who will be Rule 5 Draft eligible after the season, though I would be surprised if the Yankees got a head start on things and called any of them up in September. The only time they’ve done that in recent years was with Murphy and Romine, and only because they needed to get a third catcher on the roster. Lindgren, Murphy, Romine, Mitchell, Daley, Almonte, Wheeler, Banuelos, and Claiborne (if healthy) seem likely to join the club when rosters expand in September. There always seems to be a surprise call-up or two every year, both those are the guys I expect to see brought back.

Mike asks: Who do you see the Yankees sending to the Arizona Fall League?

Teams send either six or seven players to the AzFL each year, usually three position players and either three or four pitchers. All Double-A and Triple-A players are eligible and each team can only send one Single-A player. No players with a full year of service time are allowed, though the league has granted exemptions for young players coming off injury. The AzFL rosters are officially announced at the end of August, so not too far off now.

Players who missed time with injury during the regular season are the standard AzFL fodder, so I think Ramon Flores (ankle) and Goody (coming back from Tommy John surgery) are prime candidates to go to the desert. Banuelos is another as long as he feels well and his innings total is not an issue. Aaron Judge would make sense as the Single-A player if he’s physically up to it. It’s a long season and he might be worn down come October. If not, Eric Jagielo could go after missing more than a month with an oblique injury. The last two or three spots are usually fringe prospects for the taxi squad — they are only eligible to play Wednesday and Saturday, so they are never top prospects — the team wants to see a bit more. Taylor Dugas, Tyler Webb, Nick Rumbelow, and Jaron Long could fit that bill.

Categories : Mailbag
  • Chris Capueddardo

    I think Joe is manager of the year especially if they end up winning the division. Gardy should get some MVP votes but it will go to Trout. We don’t have a Cy candidate with Tanaka’s injury. Delin should get some ROY votes but it will go to Abreu. Delin and Drob should be co-winners of the Rolaids relief pitcher.

    • 86w183

      I think the Rolaids Award is based on stats alone, not a vote.

      Jeter is a lock, I would think. Girardi has a shot IF they win the division. Gardy should be in the 8-12 range. Remember MVP is a ten man ballot.

    • Chip

      I’m not 100% on this – but I don’t think Dellin qualifies as a rookie.

      • bamf9

        I’m 100% certain he does. Why wouldn’t he be?

      • http://riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        He definitely does. Didn’t throw enough innings or pick up enough service time.

  • Chris Capueddardo

    And Derek Jeter should win Comeback POY.

  • blake

    If the Yankees make the playoffs then not only should Girardi be MOY…..it should be with 100% of the vote…..but it won’t….

    • Drew

      Yeah the Yankee bias on most voting (exception being for Derek Jeter winning the Gold Gloves) is ridiculous. Most writers will come up with the “The team had a 200+ million dollar payroll” so Girardi or any Yankee manager will have a hard time winning anything.

    • Shame Spencer

      No. It would be mostly due to luck, record in 1-2 run games

      • Chip

        Shame – Buck got tons of credit for the O’s winning close games last year.

  • Draft 2 Dynasty

    I’m not so sure that Nick Goody is up for the Rule 5 draft.

    • Bobby Milone

      I would think your right on that one, seems too fast.

  • blake

    I think run differential is a great way to gauge how good a team actually is over the course of a season…..but in the Yanks case I don’t really think it reflects who they are now and who they could become if they get some guys back.

    They are a different team since the trade deadline with a whole new dynamic at the bottom 1/3 of the lineup and an actual major league caliber infield now.

    So I’m not sure how much their run diff matters at this point….this isn’t the same team as 2 months ago and if they get Tanaka and Pineda back that’ll be even more true

    • GregD

      I agree…we are a different team now

    • mitch

      i think run differential is pretty meaningless. You have to go by the current roster. The team is as good as the 25 guys they send out that day.

      • blake

        agreed….and the playoffs are all about who is hot….being the best team is nice…..being the hottest team often gets you the ring. There is a perform storm I can see where the Yanks win it all this year…..I haven’t felt that was possible in awhile….

  • Drew

    Even if you take out the the biggest blow out wins and loses the Yankees would still have a run differential of -15. So yeah as Mike said, they are who their record says they are. Usually teams are never as good as they are when they are on a hot streak but they are never as bad as when they go through a rough patch of suckatude. Always somewhere in the middle.

    • blake

      yea I think this is true if the players stay the same….but the Yanks have a lot of new faces since and a good number of the players that helped rack up that neg run diff aren’t here anymore……so we’ll see…..I think they are a lot better than they were and if they can get some starters back I feel like a run is possible here….

      • 86w183

        This is where this team (and last year’s) would stumble and lose the Cleveland series after beating Detroit 3-of-4. I think it’s really important the take care of business and at least win the series if not sweep. Need to be closer to the Orioles when they head to Baltimore.

        • GregD

          one of the improvements that is clearly evident is the improvement of the infield defense…..it has made a world of difference…..Headley has been amazing…..Drew is an upgrade at 2nd even though he has no experience there……I think we will definitely win a bigger pct of games going forward as a result

          • blake

            this is one of those things that’s kinda hard to quantify and you really don’t think about it as reasons why you lose as much as pitching and hitting…..but they lost a lot of games this year because of how bad their infield was IMO

            • GregD

              Yes, some of the balls that Headley has grabbed at third in the past few weeks would have never been grabbed by Johnson and Roberts had less range at 2B than Jeter has at SS……..

        • blake

          yup….need 2 of 3 or what they did against Detroit is minimized.

  • Dos Luises

    Would love to see Judge (Best OF Arm in FSL per this mornings Baseball America update) in AFL.

  • Rick

    Mike: Though they probably don’t and this may be a stupid question, do AZ Fall League rosters factor in to promotions during the season? For example, would the Yanks promote a player in High A to Double A near the end of the year if they wanted to send two Single A prospects to the fall League? Say Judge and Jagielo. Is there a restriction on how long the player needs have to been in Double or Triple A for?

    • http://riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      I don’t really know, but I’m sure that’s a consideration.

      • Rick

        I found this from MLB’s website, in case you’re interested. Amazing what a simple google search returns. Appreciate you taking the time to answer though.

        Each Major League organization is required to provide six players subject to the following requirements:
        All Triple-A and Double-A players are eligible, provided the players are on at least a Double-A level roster no later than Aug. 1.
        One player below the Double-A level is allowed per Major League team.
        One foreign player is allowed, as long as the player does not reside in a country that participates in winter ball, as part of the Caribbean Confederation or the Australian winter league.
        No players with more than one year of credited Major League service as of August 31 are eligible, except a team may select one player picked in the most recently concluded Major League Rule 5 Draft.
        To be eligible, players on Minor League disabled lists must be activated at least 45 days before the conclusion of their respective seasons.

  • Shame Spencer

    Girardi should not be MoY. If anything, the Yankees are where they are due to good luck on the baseball field and in spite of Girardi.

    • GregD

      I don’t agree….Girardi makes mistakes but he has done a great job holding this together…….. luck always evens out on the baseball field anyway

      • Shame Spencer

        You cant be successful with our pitching staff if not for luck. Girardi didnt make these guys, Greene, McCarthy, Phelps, pitch well. I despise Cashman and dont think he’s a good general manager, but he should be a better consideration to win GM of the Year than Girardi to win MoY

        • GregD

          I agree that Cashman has done a great job but I don’t see luck playing any role……

          • Shame Spencer

            I’d like to know what our record in 1-2 run games are, because with our RD being -23, it takes the good luck of winning close games to have the record that we currently do.

            • GregD

              I think our record in one run games is a reflection of Girardi’s ability to manage more than luck…luck in baseball tends to even out….if you chalk up the good performance of our new pitchers to luck….then you must offset that with the bad luck of losing 5 starting pitchers to injuries….Girardi deserves some credit….they aren’t winning in spite of him……

              • mitch

                exactly. If you’re going to chalk things up to luck, you’re basically taking the stance that a manager has almost no impact on the game. I think Girardi deserves credit for putting guys in a position to succeed and pulling the right strings at the right times.

                • Shame Spencer

                  A manager in baseball has the least amount of positive impact on a team than a coach/manager in any other sport. A manager in MLB will generally lose his team more games than win them. Joe Girardi overmanages, and not in a good way.

                  • mitch

                    So you’re basically saying if teams played without managers they’d be better?

              • Shame Spencer

                I’ll agree to disagree. I respect your opinion. Girardi, for the most part, doesn’t value games. He manages for the long-term with a complete disregard for the short-term. We could probably be better off in the standings if not for the full days off here, half days off there to the younger players like Gardy/Ellsbury. Before I get ripped for this, this excludes the day game after night game catcher day off. All those days off Girardi gave Beltran in the beginning of the season, did that help Beltran stay healthy? Nope. His days off dont help players stay healthy. It’s tomfoolery.

                • GregD

                  I too take issue with the days off at times…..and I respect your opinion as well……. :)

            • Rick

              Is it really luck when you do it consistently year in and year out? Mike posted something in the not too distant past about the Yankees record in close games being above league average over the past 3 or 4 seasons. It stops being luck at some point. I think Girardi’s bullpen management has a lot to do with it – he’s excellent in that regard.

    • mitch

      what do you mean by their good luck?

    • The Billy MartinVanBuren Boys

      I’m curious to know your criteria for being selected as MoY? Because if a manager can take a patchwork of soft-hitting fielders and a rotating door of a rotation and take them to the playoffs, as Girardi MAY well do, then that manager should absolutely be given MoY consideration. That manager has to keep his bullpen in good shape while not overusing them, make sure guys in the lineup get their rest days, deal with untested minor leaguers called up to fill in for players on the DL, the list goes on. Some would argue that a manager who can send out a stud lineup and a rotation full of aces everyday and then just sit back and let the wins pile up shouldn’t be MoY either because how hard is HIS job really? I just don’t think your argument holds any water. Luck is part of the game for every team at some point in the season.

      • mitch

        He said below that MLB managers lose more game than they win, so I’d guess he’d probably do away with the award in general…

      • IVoted4Kodos

        What Girardi does very well, in my opinion, is manage the bullpen. Maybe it’s just in comparison to Torre, who I thought was terrible, but he always seems to have his bullpen rested and ready to contribute and he puts guys in a position to succeed more often than most managers. When you are playing as many close games as the Yankees are, this is a huge plus. I don’t know how to quantify it, but I’m willing to be his bullpen management has gained them a number of wins when compared to many other managers.

    • blake

      you don’t sound like Shame Spencer…..can I see your ID?

      • Chip

        I’m forced to agree with the BBQ master – are you impersonating Shame?

  • Chip

    Mike mentions the 40 man roster above and the players who would be Rule V eligible. Currently the roster is full with Pineda, Nova and CC on the 60 and Alex restricted. To get Austin, Williams, Pinder, Burawa and Goody (the guys they’re most likely to protect) on the roster they need to open up 9 spots.

    D-Rob, Capuano, Drew, McCarthy, Headley, Kuroda, Hill come off as FA’s so that leaves 2 spots that need to open up. Daley is an easy one to drop and then you could probably drop Huff too – but then you’re up against the 40 without any of the FA’s mentioned above and I assume the team will want to bring back at least 3 of that group. So who else do you dump off the roster: Romine or Cervelli? Claiborne? Wheeler? Campos? Heathcott?

    • mitch

      i don’t think any of the guys you mentioned are safe

    • http://yankees.lhblogs.com/ Need Pitching & Hitting

      I don’t think there is much chance all 5 of those guys are protected. Williams and Burawa are probably the less likely to be protected of that group imo. I’m really not sure any of those 5 are absolute locks, though I suspect they’d protect at least one of the relievers.

      Jeter and Ichiro come off the roster as well, opening 2 more spots.

      • Chip

        duh – totally forgot Jeter and Ichiro

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      Out of those questions marks at the end, if more than one of those guys survives the off-season, I’ll be surprised. One of the catchers goes, one way or another. Wouldn’t be surprised for them to “David Adams” Slade and/or Campos, the latter of which is easily one of my least favorite 40-man additions since the Pena/Nunez/Corona nonsense. Wheeler and Claiborne are pretty disposable parts.
      Out of Burawa, Pinder, and Montgomery, it’s a toss-up to me as to who gets exposed.

      • YakaTanaka

        More or less agree. Yankees may have to expose a few more guys than they like to, but it’s probably not going to cost them much long-term.

        The Campos thing is more of a problem in hindsight to me. I think that there was a very good chance he was picked in the Rule 5 by the Cubs, Astros, or some other total non-contender. If he was healthy they might have kept him around all season even if it cost them a few games. Even if they didn’t they would have limited incentive to protect his long-term arm health… so they may have just worn him out making him compete for a roster spot and sent him back to the Yankees broken.
        His getting hurt this season provided some confirmation bias for the people who didn’t like the move, but I think it made plenty of sense at the time. You can arguably find a Tommy Kahnle level guy on the cheap most of the time. Guys with Campos’ potential are pretty rare.
        Kahnle exceeding expectations, especially early, also ties a real cost to protecting Campos. I’m not sure many people expected quite this much from Kahnle, or even expect it to last going forward.

  • Bigdan

    While the cast of characters keeps changing, the Yanks have been virtually the same team all year and the incredibly consistent record for four months proves that. Even in this nice little run since the break, the Yanks are winning close games the same way they’ve won close games all year. Good starting pitching, fabulous bullpen, barely enough runs and a little luck.

    The players the Yanks have added have improved their defense in the infield, but when it comes to winning pct, infield defense barely moves the needle. OF difference is more important and that’s been strong all year. The Yanks will not show real improvement until they can score more than 4 runs a game. That’s where they’ve been all year, about 10th in the league and that is simply not good enough. Drew, Headley and Prado are, when they are at their best, nice complementary pieces but there is not impact bat there and that’s what the Yanks desperately need.

    The amazing think about this season is why haven’t the Yanks slipped well below .500 after losing so much pitching with such a poor offense? And that’s because almost at every turn, the Yanks replaced each lost starter with a pitcher who has performed almost as well as the pitcher lost or even better. Let’s face it, how much better would Tanaka have been than Greene during Greene’s short tenure here? Would CC have pitched better than McCarthy? How much better would Pineda have been than Phelps?

    Lots of stuff has happened this year. Betances has been amazing. Gardner at times shocking. Great OF defense. Poor and now improved infield defense. But one thing has been truly constant. Poor offense and that’s why the Yanks have been consistently mediocre all year long.

    • blake

      you have to give up this defense doesn’t matter narrative man…..it’s just not true.

      Sure your defense is behind pitching and offense in importance but it’s really important and unless you’re just awesome in that pitching and hitting then the importance is amplified.

      They lost games early in the season because they couldn’t play defense….and as tight as this race is going to be those games matter a lot.

      • Bigdan

        I’m not sure how many games the Yanks have lost this year because of defense. Perhaps a couple. The Yanks also won games this year because the opposition played poor defense. And some of those teams were excellent defensive teams. All three wins against the Reds were helped by poor defense. They won a game against the Cubs because a Gold Glove second baseman couldn’t make a throw.

        When it comes to defense, as I’ve said for months, there’s a whole lotta netting going on. Rarely if ever does it move the needle. But offense is, and always has been, the primary reason the Yanks are not better than they are.

        • Shame Spencer

          When you’re on pace to play a record number of one run games, my guess is it has had enough of an impact that they should have addressed it sooner. Everyone agrees defense is not as important as pitching and hitting but we also realize that this team was never so far above every other club in either of those two categories that they should try to field a competent INF.

          • IVoted4Kodos

            This. Every single out is important in close games. Every miscue is a potential blown lead. The lack of an explosive offense, I think, magnifies the importance of the D.

            • Shame Spencer

              Yeah, they’ve played like 16 or 17 one run games with the MLB record being 18 lol… pretty sure they’re going to break it (if not shatter it) this season. It just irks me that they didn’t do anything to improve it sooner. Headley has been amazing at 3B and pretty much anyone could perform better than Roberts at 2B. Jeter was always going to be below average on that side of the ball, they should have put better fielders around him.

              • TWTR

                One thing they haven’t done that some of us have suggested for years is to acquire a young INF to offset Jeter and A-Rod’s impending declines, both offensively and defensively.

              • IVoted4Kodos

                Agree completely. Headley has been fun to watch over there and I’ve been surprised at how Drew has taken to the position.

                Hopefully they’ll be able to save enough runs to keep the playoff push alive.

        • TWTR

          While I agree that offense is paramount, don’t forget that just as a pitcher might be unwilling to throw a breaking ball in the dirt if he doesn’t trust his catcher, he may also be reluctant to throw to a given location if he doesn’t trust his defense.

          So this isn’t something that can be easily quantified or even observed.

        • OldYanksFan

          Open you eyes dude. Headley alone has saved at least 2 games since he’s been here.

    • Rick

      Why would OF defense be more important to this team than IF defense? The pitching staff is predicated on generating ground balls. For this team, IF defense is much much more important. And it’s not particularly close.

      • Bigdan

        It’s a complex explanation that I’ve engaged in before but don’t have the time now. Has to do with bases and how you go about compensating for fails. Essentially an infield fail is pretty easy to fix. OF, not so.

        • Rick

          Yea, this is just incorrect on almost every level. But I’ll let you have this one, I’ve seen a good amount of your posts to know I’d be wasting my time.

  • Shame Spencer

    Not sure who the new Shame Spencer is but they’re a poor imitation of the real thing.

    • GregD

      I agree!!!

    • http://riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Took care of it.

      • Shame Spencer

        Thanks Mike!

        • RhapsodyInBlue

          There are no cheap knock offs of Shame Spencer we know the real deal when we see it!

          • Shame Spencer

            I’m glad I’ve made such an impression.

    • Keyser Soze

      That same account had posted as Tar before. I said he( mikey) wasn’t you about on the open thread last nignt.

  • Austinmac

    It seems to me we need a loogy. Thornton wasn’t great, but now we are down to Huff. That is worse. Thornton’s waiver departure seems odd for a team with no one to immediately replace him. I get Lindgren and Webb, but they may be weeks away, even if things go well for them.

    • Chris Capueddardo

      Thorton wasn’t good. I’d trust Warren, Kelley, Drob, Delin over Thorton vs a LH. The only recent success we had with a LOOGY was Marte in the 09 postseason.

      • YakaTanaka

        Boone Logan had a pretty darn good run with the Yankees for the last several years.

        Thornton had a 2.59 FIP against LHH this season… what would constitute “good” in Eddard World?

    • GregD

      Thornton was really less than great against left-handers……he rarely came through……I cringed every time he came into the game…….not sure if the rookies are up to it or not…..

      • YakaTanaka

        Against LHH, Thornton had a 2.59 FIP. If that’s “less than great…” it is still pretty good.

        Inherited runners where a problem, but chances are pretty good that the sample size had a lot to do with that.

        I’m fine with saving a few bucks where they can, but I think fans had an irrational hatred for Thornton. Much like they did for Logan. It seems like a lot of fans, or at least Yankees fans, just do not like LOOGYs.

    • blake

      I keep thinking the Thornton move was a precursor to something else…..

      • Shame Spencer

        I think it was mostly just to clear off some unnecessary payroll.. I hope they put that money towards retaining Drob.

        • TWTR

          I really, really hope I am wrong, but I don’t think they will re-sign Robertson.

        • blake

          I think Drob is going to come down to what Hal allows the payroll to be and how cheaply Cashman can address all their other needs…..because if it comes down to Drob and a starter or Drob and an infielder then as much as we love him they probably aren’t gonna go with the starter or position player.

    • Chip

      I think it was just about clearing out 40 man roster spot and some money. Ultimately I think it will be Lindgren.

    • RhapsodyInBlue

      How soon before we see Lindgren? Any guesses?

    • YakaTanaka

      We’ll have to see if Rich Hill gets a chance to prove himself. He K’s a lot of guys, especially LHH, but also walks too many. May or may not be as good as what Webb or Lindgren can offer in his first taste of MLB.

  • I am Brett Godner

    MVP votes ARE cool. Especially for a fourth outfielder. Right, people who even this season kept insisting Godner is just a fourth OFer?

  • blake

    Real Happy for Gardner…..Fangraphs has him being worth 3.5 fWAR and 19.2 million dollars already this year……and no matter how accurate you feel those numbers are….he’s having a great season and that contract is looking pretty darn sweet at the moment.

    • GregD

      his power numbers make him a better choice for batting third than Ellsbury

      • TWTR

        I think so too, but Girardi was asked about that and he said that he has never done it before and Ellsbury has. That is like the old line about experience being what you get while you are getting experience.

        Either way, I would like to see Ellsbury and Gardner bat back to back.

    • Rick

      Agreed. Whether you lend credence to the validit of fWAR, bWAR, RickWAR, what have you … by any metric he’s having a great season. Meets both the eye test and the stats test.

    • OldYanksFan

      Gritner is at 4.4 bWar. For some reason, FG has him as a NEGATIVE defender. (They also have Teix as a Negative Defender). As such, for Brett, I place more value on BRef’s bWar.

  • Person Of Interest

    The Rolaids Relief Award was discontinued after 2012. Beginning this year there are two new awards, the Mariano Rivera Award and the Trevor Hoffman award for the AL and NL’s best relievers.

    “The Award is voted on by a committee of 9 former elite relief pitchers. They are Mariano Rivera and Trevor Hoffman, the two awards’ namesakes, as well as Dennis Eckersley, Rollie Fingers, Rich Gossage and Bruce Sutter – the four living relievers int he Hall of Fame, Hoyt Wilhelm having passed away – and John Franco, Lee Smith and Billy Wagner.

    The first award will be handed out after the 2014 season.”

    from baseball reference.

    Oh, and Betances is still a rookie.

    • Chris Capueddardo

      So Drob will have Mariano and Goose’s votes in the bag. They know how hard it is to pitch in NY and Drob was taking over for a legend. Only blown 2 saves this season.

      • Deep Thoughts

        Goose is a loose cannon. Who knows what fool idea might be lodged in his head when they ask for his ballot.

        • BKamm

          He can be a real grouchy old man

  • TWTR

    I actually can’t wait to see Lindgren up here.

  • Dalek Jeter

    I’m upset Mike didn’t answer my (admittedly clumsy and poorly worded) question: Wouldn’t it make sense to call Lindgren up before September 1st? My logic being if he proves he’s at least capable of being a LOOGY, and the Yankees make the playoffs, they can have him on the roster in October.

    • http://riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      It’s possible, sure. I think they might have to give him just a few more innings in the minors though, especially at AA and AAA.

      • Dalek Jeter

        Mike in the comment section! This doesn’t happen often…also “upset” is a strong word for my feelings on you not answering my question…just mildly disappointed.

    • http://yankees.lhblogs.com/ Need Pitching & Hitting

      There are ways around that rule. Technically, since he’s already in the organization, I believe he could replace any injured player. Since Nova and CC will definitely still be on the DL then, he could replace one of them on the postseason roster, iirc.

      • Dalek Jeter

        Huh, I never read the actual rule…so I just assumed by “replace any injured player” the spirit of the rule was “replace any player injured during the postseason.” If that isn’t how the rule is written/followed? Than that changes things completely.

        • http://yankees.lhblogs.com/ Need Pitching & Hitting

          It’s how K-Rod got to pitch in the postseason for the Angels in 2002 despite not being added to the MLB roster until Sept. 15. He replaced a guy recovering from TJS who was on the DL the entire season..

          • Dalek Jeter

            Cool, that does change everything. Now, hopefully if/when Lindgren gets called up he’s awesome and the team makes the postseason.

    • YakaTanaka

      I think a lot of it comes down to how much of an upgrade they think he is over the Rich Hill’s of the world. If it’s a marginal upgrade or less (and as exciting as Lindgren is… on his career Hill has K’d nearly 10 LHH / 9 IP to go with too many BBs… so advanced MLB hitters might put Lindgren into a similar spot until he adjusts), then I think they’ll just preserve the 40 man spot. If it’s a tangible upgrade in the heart of a playoff race, they’ll probably call someone up… whether Lindgren or Webb or whoever else.

  • Eric MacLaurin

    It might sound weird now but I think McCann’s going to be the team MVP. We’ve had luck with random starters before and Rothschild deserves some credit but I’m really impressed with what how well everyone is pitching for the big club.

  • Bo S8

    You know we talk about run differential as numbers, winning ie scores are numbers and so on. To paraphrase Billy Martin, “my D gives up one, I need two to win.” Now maybe IF D is harder to assign numbers, for example 1B but we still have numbers. The problem is nuances, a Headley at 3B allows a GB pitcher to go inside which expands the strike zone and chances of success. One blanket doesn’t cover all. A flyball/SO pitcher doesn’t involve IF much. A GB pitcher such as McCarthy or Greene lives and dies with IF D.

    • IVoted4Kodos

      Given the number of close games that Yankees have been involved in this year, the IF D is extremely important. When you can’t slug your way back into games, you need to focus on getting every possible out and protecting your narrow leads.

  • Jorge Steinbrenner

    That Rule 5 list for the off-season sure is an interesting one. No way they protect all those guys. Wouldn’t surprise me if you’re seeing at least one of your fav MiLB relievers PLUS Mason Williams exposed to the draft. Wouldn’t argue with that decision either.

    • Get Phelps Up

      I can’t imagine that Williams would be able to stick on an MLB roster all season at this point.

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        Agreed. You could probably hide a reliever, though. Is that never-used single-A guy still on Milwaukee’s roster? Or is it KC?

        • Get Phelps Up

          He is living it up on the DL.

      • Cliff

        Astros should have fielded an entire team of Rule 5 claimees the last couple years. All your marginal prospects are belong to us.

    • W.B. Mason Williams

      Gonna make me change my name…

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        When in doubt, go with the classics, Future W.B. Anthony Mason.

  • Get Phelps Up

    If there was a pitching coach award, Larry Rothschild deserves it. With all the arms that have been drifting in and out that he has had to work with, it’s rather impressive that the Yankees have a 3.81 team ERA.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      MTU just cursed under his breath.

      • MG

        Good knowledge, Jorge. MTU is a great guy (originally from Brooklyn) but hearing the name ‘Rothschild’ in conjunction with anything related to ‘good’ gets him going lol

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          I catch on quickly.

    • Cool Yankees Dude

      TRUTH

  • Cool Yankees Dude

    I don’t think I’d give Girardi manager of the year even if he won the World Series.

    • Get Phelps Up

      The awards are voted on before the playoffs start.

  • Les

    I don’t get it. I have watched the minor leaguers and spring training. I have watched the callus. Why do the Yankee keep using Almonte and not give Garcia a chance. I know he doesn’t have a power swing, but if you watch his stroke and his eye, he has a much better path to the ball and certainly looks like a really good gap hitter.?

  • YakaTanaka

    Not sure Lindgren getting called up has much to do with his draft status or the expectations they went into drafting him with. If they’re in the thick of a playoff battle and think Lindgren improves the team, they’ll probably call him up. If either of the two elements is missing, I think they’ll preserve the 40-man spot.

    Also, run differential doesn’t tell you what a team’s record *should* be. Tells you what it is expected to be over a large enough sample based on a set of assumptions. What it should be is what it is, because the assumptions in the model are merely a proxy for all the complexities of reality.