Aug
02

Saturday Night Open Thread

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Thirty-five years ago today, Yankees captain Thurman Munson was killed when a small plane he was piloting crashed during take-off and landing exercises near his home in Ohio during a team off-day. That was a few years before I was born so I can’t even pretend to know what that whole experience was like as a fan. I do understand what Munson meant to the franchise and who he was as a player though. I can’t imagine what that day was like 35 years ago.

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Here is your open thread for the night. The Mets are playing and MLB Network is airing a game as well. Who you see depends on where you live. Talk about those games, this afternoon’s win, or anything else right here.

Categories : Open Thread
  • Djan

    The Sux gave us Lester without loosing a pick! 5/120?? Overpaid? Kuroda will be gone, better use his money and some more and bring Lester than a mid rotation guy..

    • Not an ace

      He’ll get longer than 5 years. I’d do 6-150. By the time he a and Ellsbury are bums CC, Teix, A-Rod will be off payroll.

      • Not an ace

        Hell I might even do 7-168 if it’s the difference between him going back to Boston.

        • forensic

          I’d much rather let Boston take him on a deal of that size than the Yankees. He’s capable of pitching like his numbers say, but it’s still a huge jump in performance in a contract year with career lows in WHIP, BB/9, and HR/9. FWIW, his cutter velocity has dropped nearly two mph and his fastball velocity is down nearly one full mph.

          I’d rather not continue the potential albatross cycle by just replacing A-Rod, Tex, and CC with new ones.

          • Wicomico Pinstripes

            Yep.

            His current FIP is .5 points lower than his career best. I can see him putting up numbers similar to his 11′-13′ seasons from 15′-17′, and then who knows.

            Trying to justify a new bad contract because a couple of current bad contracts are off the books in a few years doesn’t make much sense to me. The point is to avoid these type of contracts all together.

            • Not an ace

              If the Yankees never had any bad contracts their payroll would be like 140. I’d rather they spend the money to acquire elite 5 win players and when they league average halfway through their contracts deal with it cuz they got a bigass payroll that gives no fucks. Signing Sabathia(innitially) and Teixeira were good moves because they initially gave us elite production.

              • Not an ace

                …elite production that the Yankees have a tough time manufacturing on their own.

              • Wicomico Pinstripes

                I get what you’re saying. I want the payroll to be as large as possible, but at some point there is a limit. I’d much rather have the “albatross” contracts be position players. Pitchers have become too much of a risk for extremely large contracts, IMO.

          • Not an ace

            With a payroll of 210 million the Yankees can have two or three highly paid players that underperform. In 2019 when Ellsbury and Lester are 2 win players they would only be about 20% of the payroll. The Yankees need to spend in free agency or their competitive advantage goes to waste.

        • OldYanksFan

          The Sox won’t go near 6-150, no less 7-168.
          The Sox offered him something like 4-80. They are out of the picture. I would not go 7 years. He will be 31 next year.

          • Jorge Steinbrenner

            Agreed. I’d consider six as the price of doing business. No way this goes 150 for six years.

            6/126? Sure.

            • nycsportzfan

              If Lester had dominated every yr, I would totally get it. But he hasen’t, and I woulden’t trust him to age to well. Before this season(contract yr), he had been

              24-22 4.28ERA combined 2012 and 2013.. No way i’m trusting this guy going forward.

          • Not an ace

            Inflation+deals like the one Felix and Kershaw got=deals like the one I mentioned above. Time will tell who is right but I bet Lester and Scherzer end up getting near 7-175.

            • http://Riveravenueblues Marty l

              What would Sandy Koufpax, Gibson, Feller, Drysdale , etc. fetch today in their primes?

        • HansDavenport

          Wow! You’ve got a lot of money.

          • Not an ace

            Indeed.

    • Djan

      Cause a see a big question mark (stay healthy) over our entire rotation.. I mean, the final part of the season will give a sing about TanaK and Pineda… but seriously man, CC is done, Kuroda will be gone… there’s nothing big left… Lester makes more sense than Scherzer cause there’s no pick implication… give him nearly 6/144 and one more bottom of rotation start so we have
      TanaK
      Lester
      Pineda
      Nova
      Someone(assuming Phelps would improve the pen)
      That could work!

  • Blake

    RIP Thurman…..glad they won today

    • Terry

      He lived a good life, however short it was.

      Well wishes to his family.

      Embarrassed to say, the one thing that sticks out in my mind was when when he got plunked in the head by Nolan Ryan. He and Ryan would go at it and there was another time when he got a hit in the early part of the game that turned out to be the only hit…was pretty recent to one of Ryan’s no-hitters and he might have gotten another one if not for that hit. Plenty of people were afraid of Ryan back in the day – and for good reason.

      Not Munson.

      • HansDavenport

        Neither was Winfield. Ryan threw at him and Winfield threw both the catcher and ump to the ground to go after him. Ryan didn’t run but he covered up and curled up in a ball. I’ve seen the video but it was hard to find. After Winfield lands a punch it turns into a mob scene.

        • Terry

          I remember it.

          Winfield took a full swing haymaker at Nolan, Nolan ducked out of it and the two went down to the ground along with the entire field and the umps in tow.

          • HansDavenport

            Ryan wanted no part of Winfield. Winfield was not a bit afraid of him.

  • nycsportzfan

    Good game today. Yanks hit another HR. They continue to get closer to hitting more then they gave up. Who would of thought they could make that happen a month or 2 ago?

    Shawn Kelley is the man, by the way.

    • forensic

      They hit one HR and allowed one, thus they didn’t get closer to that. There’s also still a very large gap of 17 as the difference.

      • nycsportzfan

        Forgot they hit one out. But still, they have caught way up to where they were awhile back. They also have hit 1or2 HRs in how many straight games now? Quite a few.

        • forensic

          Eight straight games with a HR.

  • MG

    Let me share a few Thurman Munson thoughts…

    I grew up through the middle of the Yankees dynasty team of the ’50s and ’60s, then saw the team fall apart after 1964.

    I was in college during those down years, it was easy to not pay that much attention to the team in those years although there were some highlights (or lowlights)-being at the stadium on opening day when Billy Rohr (yes, that Billy Rohr) one hit the Yankees and had them no hit until Ellie Howard singled to right field in the 9th innings; another early season game in 1966 with 3 classmates (all Sox fans) who unmercifully ragged on Roger Maris for 8 innings in an almost empty Yankee Stadium (probably 3,000 people) until Roger gave them the finger on the way in from right field after the top of the ninth; and, finally, being at Mickey Mantle Day in, I believe, 1968.

    Page forward another year and I was out of college, living and working in the SF Bay Area, when Thurman joined the team. He was the first home grown player to join the Yankees who any chance to be a star since the glory days and it gave a fan like me hope for the future. I remember listening to a game in Oakland with Bill King (a legendary play by play guy) marveling at the speed at which he released the throw to 2nd on a stolen base attempt.

    Page forward a few more years and Thurman was the embodiment of what you wanted a Yankee to be-he played hard each and every inning of each and every game (remarkably like Derek Jeter has been to current Yankees teams). He may not have hit the most home runs or had the most RBI or the best defensive catching stats but the sum of his contributions could never be measured by mere ststs-he was the heart and soul of the next great Yankees team (not Reggie) and his loss in 1979 was a tragedy was something it probably took the franchise over 15 years to fully recover from.

    It’s amazing to me that 35 years have passed since that awful day, it seems like just yesterday and it’s a shame than many of you never had the opportunity to see Thurman, dirt all over his baggy uniform, looking like he had been through a wringer, come to the plate late in a game and grind out at at bat to get a key hit or knock in a key run that lead to a Yankees win.

    • Blake

      +1

    • Exiledintampa

      I remember Reggie crying like a baby in right field. Martin was crying. It was a Yankee moment not unlike the Boston Bombing game for emotion.

      • Terry

        Ugh, please don’t bring Reggie into this.

        I never believed for a second that Reggie was sincere in those tears; he was always good at posing for the cameras…which is why so many wiser fans and virtually all the Yankees players including Munson couldn’t stand him. In retaliation, Reggie would whisper to his friends in the media, breaking the code of the locker room, claiming racism of people including Munson.

        So no, please, keep Reggie out of this.

        • Kiko Jones

          Not gonna ruin the Mumson vibe here, so I’ll stay on topic. But I’d really like to discuss Reggie some time.

      • pete22

        It was far more emotional I felt. The Boston Bombing did not directly impact any players, most of whom live outside of Boston, while Thurmon was a teammate and a fan favorite. As tragedies go, the Boston Bombing was far greater, but Thurmons death was more personal and thus his sudden loss had a greater emotional impact on his teammates and some of the fans. JMO.

    • Pat M.

      Spitting tobacco juice on my sanitaries during an early spring training bp session. Looking up and asking ” you have a problem kid ” and smiling. To this day August 2nd requires me to take a deep breath. The Bronx Zoo Yankee ballclub was my favorite.

      • MG

        Pat, what year was that?

        • Pat M.

          1972. Year of the work stoppage as clubs invited a ton of guys to camp just in case. Bobby Murcer along with Marvin Miller explained the situation to all of us . Confusing time

    • Tar

      Nice flashback/ thoughts MG. I’m really lucky to have that ‘zoo” era, and the one that is about to close with Jete…. under my belt.

      But Thurm was the player I emulated as a kid playing ball…. he’s really special to me. Itis really hard to fathom that it was 35 years ago today that we all lost him.

      • MG

        The Yankees championship teams of the 70s were far different than the Mick/Yogi/Whitey era-those teams were totally professional on the field and the off the field stuff was never made public.

        The great Yankees teams of any era had something that is almost indescribable-it was the absolute refusal to lose a game when it counted; it’s also something that has been largely missing (absent 2009) ever since they started spending all this money to bring in expensive free agents without the thought of how they would all fit together. In some ways, acquiring Headley, Drew and Prado in the past two weeks may really be a step back in time towards having a team of players who are more interested in winning than in their stats (or at least I hope so).

    • http://Riveravenueblues Marty l

      Hey, MG, first two paragraphs could be me. I ll always remember Munson hitting one over left center field fence (457 feet) in the old stadium. I forget the distance when Munson hit that one off Doug Bird of the Royals in the playoffs. Can t be sure of the year, obviously either 76, 77, or 78.

    • vicki

      thank you for sharing, but i would suggest (not a witness, but a student, i) that the modern, dynasty equivalent would be jorgie.

      not jeter. very not jeter.

      derek is a cool, easygoing, friendly guy who will pat your ass and ask about your wife after you hit a double against his team. jorge posada, like thurman, would sooner piss on your fucking face than shake your hand, if you’re not wearing pinstripes.

      15 forever.

      also, LOVE YA, LOU!

  • DaSaint007

    Good win today. Took advantage of some opportunities. Something tells me that Cashman isn’t done yet however.

  • Blake

    It’s an open thread right? Can I talk about BBQ now?

    • CountryClub

      Ha, yeah.

      • Blake

        Just joking but if anyone else does hey I’m game :)

    • MTU

      Yup. Especially since I downed some today in your honor.

      • Blake

        Nice….how’s life out west MTU

        • MTU

          Hot and dry.

          We could use a deluge.

          How are things going for you ?

          • Blake

            Busy busy busy my friend…..like usual

            • MTU

              Idle hands are the devil’s work.

              It’s good you are staying busy.

              Good to see you around.

              I trust you are enjoying your new surroundings.

              • Blake

                Eh….still finding my way around. They have some good posters here so hopefully it’ll be good. Sucks what happened but it is what it is ….good to see you as always

                • MG

                  It’s too bad that LoHud went int he direction that finally took it down but I have hopes that RAB will be a good home for us ‘intruders’-there is s core of good posters here who seem interested in having a good blog and who are willing to help Mike A monitor it and keep it on track-it seems like a bunch of the good LoHud people have come over here and the others have either stayed away or simply aren’t interested in raising a ruckus on another blog.

                  • Blake

                    Yet…..lets hope it stays that way…..

    • pete22

      Just so long as its not BBQ Chicken in honor of those chicken fans who are MIA

      • Blake

        Hah! I prefer pig

    • vicki

      do you people not have email?

  • Mike Myers

    RIP Thurm.

  • JFH

    I was in Arizona, at my grandparents house that day. I will not forget it. Still unbelievable to me.

    • HansDavenport

      A merchant ship in the North Atlantic. Heard it on AFR.

  • Jorge Steinbrenner

    Still my earliest baseball memory.

    • nycsportzfan

      I’m bummed he was before my time. I know a ton about em of course, but never got to see him live. My father loved em as a player, thats for sure. Is there a player in todays game that reminds you of Munson?

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        I’m just not going to say which current Yankee reminds me the most of him. I’ll just be asking for it. :)

        I don’t have any memories of him as a player that aren’t watching old games, etc. What is probably my earliest baseball and Yankee memory, though, is watching the telecast after his death with my dad.

  • Pinedamaybegreata(formerlyMonterowasdinero)

    Thurman was the ultimate competitor. He took risks and was a revered teammate and fierce competitor. He hit well to rf and ran well for a catcher and was an excellent baserunner. Very clutch when it counted (here that Swish?). I loved it when he would try, with his quick release, (successful or not) to pick off a runner at THIRD! You never see that play anymore. Thurman had a pair.

  • nycsportzfan

    I didn’t know Zoilo got sent back down. So whos on the bench now? Suzuki,Cervelli,Wheeler,Ryan? Zoilo cracked his 17th HR for Scranton tonight..

    Kyle Roller has 2hits tonight after going Yard last night.

    Rob Refs 1-3 RIB so far tonight.

    • forensic

      Wheeler was also sent down and they just have the three man bench of Ichiro, Ryan, and Cervelli. They have an 8-man bullpen.

      • nycsportzfan

        Jeez, I don’t like that at all. I’d rather go 7 and 4 personally. Leaves very few to no options in the later inn’s off the bench. At least Zoilo brought some pop and a PH to the bench.

    • HansDavenport

      Wheeler also got sent down. That made room for Prado and an 8th pitcher for the pen. That turned out to be that waiver pickup from Toronto. Name escapes me. Any roster moves today.

      • MTU

        Esmil Rogers I believe.

      • forensic

        Esmil Rogers.

        • HansDavenport

          The Esmil Rogers?

          • Jorge Steinbrenner

            Nah, the other Esmil Rogers.

            • HansDavenport

              Oh that one. Geez.

              • Jorge Steinbrenner

                No, not THAT one.

                Jeez.

  • YankeeFan

    Greg Bird got promoted to Trenton today and went 0 for 4. Hopefully if Austin continues to rake, he had a double today, he gets sent up to Scranton and they move Judge up to Trenton for a taste of Double-A before seasons end.

    • nycsportzfan

      Awesome! I was just saying last night how hes my 2nd fave prospect we have and reminds me of Donnie Baseball offensively.

    • HansDavenport

      Ooh! Wow that will be nice for the Trenton series in Bowie.

    • Yanks101

      Bird promoted but not DBJ??????

  • pete22

    Red Sox tend to know what they are doing when they don’t sign one of their own. Lester has been remarkably inconsistent the past 3 years from 2011-2013. In 2011 he imploded in September and was a big part of the epic choke (aka chicken and beer gate. One could see him sipping beer with Beckett and Lackey during games in the dugout on several occasions (they claim it was water but the giggles and nursing of the drinks said other wise).

    In 2012 he was a below average pitcher.

    In 2013, he had a 4.5 ERA in the 1st week in August before turning it on when there was talk they would not pick up his option.

    In 2014, he has had a great contract year.

    Hence lies the concern, what will Lester be like with a multi-year deal and financial security. Perhaps more like the guy who pitched in Sep 2011-Aug 2013, which is a below average SP’er who gave you innings. I think thats what the Red Sox believe and I think they may be right.

    It makes no sense to hand out 5-7 year deals to pitchers north of 30.
    Buy low on pitching free agents where there is low risk and high reward.

    • MTU

      Which pitcher are you targeting in the OS ?

      • Blake

        Lestah! I like him long term better than both Scherzer and Shields. Gamer…..left handed…..reminds me of Andy a little and I think he will age ok

        • MTU

          And your price and years ?

          • Blake

            Now there is the rub…..I think it’ll take at least 6/120 and that’s be close to my ceiling……it may take more than that. I do not think Boston will go there ……but who knows….if they get close he will probably go back…..but Boston’s history is to lowball their own

            • MTU

              My guess is more.

              • Jorge Steinbrenner

                Not much more, though. I do think 6/120 is within the ballpark.

                Then again, I was waaaaaaaay off on Tanaka last off-season.

                • MTU

                  Lester wants Scherzer-like money.

                  That means at least 144.

                  No idea if he will get it.

                  • Jorge Steinbrenner

                    The issue with that is that we don’t really know what either wants and/or will get.

                    I agree, though, that Scherzer potentially raises Lester’s price. I’m just not sure someone goes that far on either.

          • Blake

            I’m not convinced Hal will allow a big contract this winer…..with Arod coming back they are pushing 200 already…..we’ll see…..but I don’t see them raising the payroll much beyond where it’s been

            • MTU

              We should have a better picture of things in a few more weeks, i.e. Pineda and Tanaka.

              If Tanaka needs TJS they will definitely need someone frontline.

              Nova won’t be ready till at least mid-season ad Kuroda is gone.

              CC is a question mark.

              • Wicomico Pinstripes

                Agreed.

                In a few weeks we will have a better idea of what the potential 2015 rotation will look like. Another three months after that and we’ll know for sure if there is a need or not.

                At this point though, there isn’t much certainty in the future rotation. Everyone has at least some type of question mark. With that being said, I had some quiet interest in Shields at the deadline. I think he could fill Kuroda’s role going forward and a two month try out would have been nice.

            • Jorge Steinbrenner

              Someone is going to get paaaaaaaid by the New York Yankees this winter currently not on the roster. That’s what my crystal balls say.

              • MTU

                I agree with your crystal ball.

            • Need Pitching & Hitting & Defense

              I don’t imagine he’d particularly want to shell out another monster contract, but I’d imagine he’d be awfully concerned about ratings/attendance declines, especially if they miss the playoffs again. Even more so if Tanaka needs TJS.

              He might feel a need to add some shiny new toys to try to stem those losses.

            • Not an ace

              I think Cashman is smart and will let Robertson walk while gaining a draft pick. With Jeter retiring there’s your Lester money right there. I still think we are highly probable to miss the playoffs which will put pressure on the Steins to spend. Also I hate to rosterbate in the middle of August buuuuuuut:

              2015
              Lester 24
              Tanaka 22
              Sabathia 23
              Pineda 1.5
              McCarthy 8

              Gardner 12.5
              Castillo 7
              Ellsbury 21
              Teixeira 23
              Beltran 15
              Rodriguez 22
              McCann 17
              Refsnyder .5
              Ryan 2

              Betances .5
              Warren .5
              Kelly 3
              Thornton 3.5
              Lindgren .5
              Greene .5
              Phelps 1.5

              Prado 11
              Cervelli 1.5
              Flores .5
              Pirela .5

              ~222 mil
              If payroll too high just not sign McCarthy, slide Greene in at SP with Ramirez in the pen and 214.5.

              Tell me that team wouldn’t be the Tits.

              • Need Pitching & Hitting & Defense

                Unlikely they could let DRob walk and get a draft pick.
                He would likely take the QO if offered, I would think.

                And that team is in desperate need of a starting SS.

              • Wicomico Pinstripes

                I want no parts of Ryan as the planned starting SS next year.

                Since the start of 2013 he’s had 420 PA’s and produced a -0.9 fWAR.

              • n0exit

                Phelps is ahead of Greene, sabathia is a question mark. Refsnyder is a qiestion mark, don’t think they’ll sign rusny Castillo, j ram has an arm injury, Ramon Flores hasn’t played in about three months with an “ankle injury” and I don’t think they like him too much. A rod isn’t playing everyday and you have Ryan running out and playing ss everyday. I’m sorry but I don’t see this happening at all. They’ll sign a ss and much to our dismay ichi will be back Prado will probably start at second and they’ll sign a right fielder. Also don’t see lindgren and Thornton in the same pen and if Jose pirela is on the opening day roster something has gone very wrong.

                Apart from that I think you’re spot on.

                • Need Pitching & Hitting & Defense

                  Agree on Phelps.

                  I don’t think Ichiro will be back.

                  I do think Lindgren could coexist with Thornton, as they want him as a full reliever, not just a LOOGY, but I think he’d be more likely to be an in-season call-up than to start the season in MLB.

                  • n0exit

                    Fair enough, I do hope Flores gets a chance at some point but I assume he has to play at AAA for a bit longer. If he does well he might jump Zoilo.

                • Not an ace

                  Sabathia and Tanaka are question marks which is why I put 7 starters on the team. Of course they ‘might not’ sign Castillo that’s why it’s rosterbation. Flores is on the 40 man so I think that means they like him, he replaces Ichiro who I’m sure the front office knows is garbage. Prado spells A-Rod at third primarily bit also Ref at 2nd and corner OF and even Teix. Ryan isn’t very good but I didn’t think 230 mil was realistic so there had to be one area of weakness. Yeah Ref Flores and Pirela are question mark but they all have varying degrees of upside and only Ref is being counted on for 600 PAs. Thornton is under contract and we usually have two lefties in the pen so I put big time relief prospect Lindgren in there with him, who is not a LOOGY.

              • nycsportzfan

                As I mentioned above, I don’t trust Lester. Sure hes doing well this yr, but it also happens to be his contract yr. His 2012 and 2013 seasons were OK but nothing special and his SO Per nine were way down. He was only 2games over 500 in that stretch as well. Clearly, hes probably just pitching for the contract. I’d just pass. If there is any evidence at all that this guy might not be the player he is this yr, then the contract is just not worth adding, as its all ready a risky deal, when your talking money hes gonna get.

                I’d rather go cheaper and maybe see about Justin Masterson, coming off a bad yr. He will be quite a bit cheaper. I’d look into bringing McCarthy back as well. Then i’d see about a trade. Maybe the Cubs would be willing to part with Arrieta in the offseason?

                Tanaka
                Pineda
                McCarthy
                Masterson
                Phelps/Arrieta

                Works for me…

                • Wicomico Pinstripes

                  First off,where’s Nova?

                  I realize he has his own question marks, but I have concern with every one of these pitchers for 2015. They need a solid upper/middle of the rotation arm. I mentioned Shields as an option above.

                • Cheval Anonyme

                  Lester had a 3.0 WAR in 2013. I would take that as a “bad year”.

                  Even in 2012, where he truly WAS mediocre, he stilled showed up and ate innings.

      • pete22

        I would look at Justin Masterson, Jake Peavy, Josh Beckett, Brandon McCarthy, Capuano and Jason Hammell and hope like hell Nova, Bauelos, Pineda, Tanaka CC and maybe Severino can give some innings. I would also look into making a deal for a pitcher by parting with one of the C prospects.

        • Blake

          Manny has had 3 good starts in a row…..getting him back in track would be rather nice as he shouldn’t be far away as soon as he gets his innings built up

          • MTU

            Why isn’t Banuelos at AAA ?

            • Blake

              They are building him back slow…..my guess is he will finish there if he keeps pitching well

              • MTU

                Guy has been babied too much IMO.

                • Blake

                  It seems that way…..I don’t know the whole story but it does seem they have always kept him in a bubble to some degree

                  • MTU

                    A bubble boy.

                • Jorge Steinbrenner

                  It his recent outings are a sign of anything, that babying is paying off.

                  I’d rather baby than wind up with another Kris Medlen.

                  • Blake

                    Fair point….Manny has never really been able to build innings though. I hope he can now and can throw his hat in the ring for the 2015 rotation

                  • MTU

                    The arms on guys who come back from TJS are usually stronger than before the surgery.

                    No reason to baby them.

                    Medlen was an exception not the rule.

                    He isn’t 20 anymore.

                    He’s 23/24 now.

                    Clock is ticking.

                    • Jorge Steinbrenner

                      I disagree.

                      Something is wrong with our pitchers, and I don’t mean Yankee pitchers. The increase in TJ worries me greatly, as does the sudden appearance of pitchers needing it twice. I wouldn’t be surprise to see the number of second-timers going up unless MLB is able to reach some consensus as to what to do here. I tend to side with those who say we’re putting too much strain on our pitchers rather than those who say we’re babying them.

                      As long as Manny continues to show forward progress this season, I am fine with what they’re doing.

        • MTU

          That does not sound like a viable plan to me Pete.

          Those guys are all 2nd Tier.

          Nova will not be ready till mid-season at the earliest.

          CC is a total question mark.

          We shall see about Tanaka and Pineda presently.

          • Jorge Steinbrenner

            I wouldn’t mind McCarthy is a back-end option, but this team needs another front-end option, even if Tanaka and Pineda are healthy.

            • Blake

              Agreed….

            • MTU

              seconded.

        • nycsportzfan

          Masterson, McCarthy, are the 2 i’m hoping for. Then we can use our beefed up farm system to make a trade if we want to get deeper in the depth dept.

          Maybe guys like Jake Arrieta, Homer Bailey, Mike Leake, Jorge De La Rosa, Wade Miley, would be available for trade this offseason?

      • forensic

        Personally, I think I might lean towards Shields among the big name guys. I haven’t looked too closely at them all yet, so it may change in time, but at this point I like him the best. May not have the extreme upper-level potential of the others, but he seems like a safer bet to me. He hasn’t lost velocity on his 4-seamer (though his cutter has dropped a bit) and he’s much less reliant on his fastball than the other guys, so a drop may affect him a little less.

        He’s also a little older which is good and bad. It’s bad for the obvious reasons, but it may be good because it might keep the years and the AAV of his contract down in comparison to the other guys.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          The key is what kind of deal can you get him on.

          Would I bring in Shields on a three-year deal? Oh hell yes.

          Would I go crazy and go four? Perhaps if it’s the price of doing business.

          Is someone out there going to be willing to pay him until he’s 40? Possibly.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      Meh.

      At his absolutely lowest, he was worth 3.1 WAR.

      He’s not an unsafe investment.

      • Need Pitching & Hitting & Defense

        0.7 bWAR in 2012

  • nycsportzfan

    Ian Clarkin line for the night- 5inn 6hit 0r 0er 2bb 1k
    ERA Down to 3.21era for the season.

  • HansDavenport

    Seattle is up on the O’s 4-2. Guy named Canoe hit a 3 run homer.

    • I’m One

      Never heard of him. Is he a rookie?

      • HansDavenport

        Think so. Plays 2nd base. Pretty good. Hitting .330, with 62 RBI’s and 53 runs scored. About an .850 OPS.

    • pete22

      He misses AL East pitching. LOL. Except for the HR totals his numbers look pretty good. He is 10th in the AL in OPS.

      If the Yankees dont make the playoffs one could argue it was the loss of Cano that made the difference. According to the WSJ not making the playoffs cost the Yankees 70 million last year. That covers the last 3 years salary of Canos 10 year deal, more if you factor in the time value of money.

      • HansDavenport

        Interview I read, he said he was going the other way a lot more because they were pitching him on the outer half, despite the fact they were shifting on him.
        He described the park as more or less being tricky on how the ball carried in certain spots. Tells me he was smart enough to study the place before he swung for the fences.
        He’ll likely pick up his power numbers next season. Not that he needs too. He’s still very productive.

  • JimBear

    RIP Thurman. Can’t believe it was 35 years ago. I remember one of my favorite Yankees Bobby Murcer having a huge game that night. Everyone was hit by the emotion. Reggie and Munson weren’t friends but no one should question his feelings that day. We all felt it. It was the end of an era.

    • HansDavenport

      Everyone was acting like Reggie’s friend in the dugout, during the game of that 3 home run night against the Dodgers. That included both Martin and Munson. I guess Reggie wasn’t the only one who could turn it off and on for the cameras.
      Your right though, you never know, but why anyone would question Jackson’s motives at a time like that is beyond me.

  • JMV

    Is there a breakfast club at this place?

    (As Blake says, open thread, right?)

    • Pat M.

      Breakfast Club was a Doreen function dating back to 2008 as she and many of the Yankee baseball women would really set the pace for everyone. Wonder if any of them are considering a return. Rebecca pop by today.

      • JMV

        We can only hope!

    • MTU

      Yes I’ll be there in the AM’s.

  • Blake

    For fun my pie in the sky 2015 Yankees would look like this.

    Gardner LF
    Ellsbury CF
    Tulo SS
    Tex 1B
    Beltran DH
    McCann C
    Prado RF/2B
    Headley 3B
    Refsynder RF/2B

    Tanaka, Lester, Nova, Sabathia, Phelps/Pineda/Banuelos

    • JMV

      No love for Drew? I didn’t see that coming, LOL

      I’m scared about the rotation. Tanaka: he’s probably headed into TJS, sooner or later. Nova: second half at best, let’s see how consistent he will be

      • Blake

        The Drew thing with me was always kinda misunderstood…..I tried to make it clear that I really only wanted him on an affordable deal and because he was better than what they had and they needed infield help badly…….it sorta became a running joke more than how I actually view the player.

        Now am I glad they got him ? Yes…..do I think he’s better than Brian Roberts? Yes……does it mean I don’t want Tulo instead of him in an ideal would? Heck no

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          You can hide amongst the hundreds who wouldn’t shut up about him here.

          Ironically, after all the crap I spewed about him on here, he is quickly growing on me.

          • Blake

            He’s not a great player but he’s pretty solid “when healthy”

            • JMV

              Drew wasn’t signed earlier because of the draft pick. Ironically, that didn’t matter at the end

    • MTU

      Definitely pie-in-the sky Blake.

      Never hurts to dream though.

    • Not an ace

      Pffft mine is wayyyy more realistic.

  • Hassey

    Looks like LoHud traded all their best people to RAB by the July 31 deadline. There goes the neighborhood

    • JMV

      19 comments at the game thread. Sad, my friend

      • MTU

        They have only themselves to blame.

        • Exiledintampa

          On the plus side, Chicken is now a “top commenter” while using his real name.

          • pete22

            I always knew chickens were behind the evils of facebook, the threat is real folks. He always threatened to take over Lohud, and I guess he did. LOL.

            I might have to create a phony GB a/c and mess with him

    • n0exit

      I don’t know if you guys are in touch with chad, but a compromise might be the disqus commenting system used by the likes of mlbtr and ba. Maybe they’ll go for it if they lose too many people.

      Also, I think mike should post the open thread at the start of Every day

      • Blake

        Chad had nothing to do with it…..the paper has gone to Facebook for all their other comments sections and they did the Yankees blog as well…..it sucks but I think they kinda decided to drop an A bomb on the place rather than clean it up a better way. Chad will probably leave soon for greener pastures anyway ….he’s too good a writer to stay there forever

        • MTU

          Absolutely.

        • JMV

          Chad is great. I wish him the best. But I was planning to keep posting at LoHud after his departure. Hey, Posada and Mo are gone, Jeter is retiring, but I’ll still root for the Yankees! Do you get my point?

          • Blake

            Well it depends on who they got to replace him obviously …..I was just saying that change was probably coming one day anyway

            • JMV

              As long as they don’t pull a return of the Pete, I’ll be ok, LOL

            • Giuseppe Franco

              Yeah, I think an new career opportunity will find Chad soon enough. He’s really good at what he does and is certainly far more likable than Pete.

              Believe it or not, he’s been the LoHud Blogmaster longer than Pete and I’ll never forget when Chad took over because it happened at the very end of the 2009 regular season just in time for the postseason.

              Sadly, it will be forever seared into my brain because that was the exact time when my illness knocked me on my ass and spent the entire postseason watching Yankee postseason games from my hospital bed.

              Yeah, good times.

              • forensic

                Chad is great. I can’t believe it’s been that long already for him.

                If he does leave, I would certainly hope they’ll replace him with someone who has as much passion for the blog as it seems he has. Mercogliano seems to do a fine job when he’s sitting in for Chad. Just please, don’t let it be Brian Heyman.

                • Giuseppe Franco

                  Chad was a great choice not only because he’s a great writer but his experience covering the Scranton team was a unique perspective that was appreciated by the LoHud regulars.

                  Over the past 8-10 years or so there is an increasing number of us keeping daily tabs on the kids and several other regulars going to a lot of minor league games.

                  Pete definitely didn’t care much about the kids.

                  I certainly wish the Michael Kay Network would actually broadcast minor league games. They might be surprised what kind of ratings they’d get instead of re-airing the same Yankee Classics or Yankeeography 1000 times.

                  • forensic

                    For me, it’s a bonus if they know/care about the kids, but the most important thing is that they pass on plenty of info on the blog in their posts, like Chad and Vin do. Heyman is terrible at that. Chad and Vin are invaluable to those of us who want nothing to do with twitter still.

      • pete22

        I dont know how much revenue comments generate. I still go over there to check out chads stuff much like I have always checked out RAB and mikes stuff even if I did not comment. It may be they are fine with fewer comments, less headaches, so long as they still get the hits from folks reading chads articles.

      • Yanks101

        Theyeve already losten pretty much everyone they had a total of 50 comments in all the threads they dont care which sucks

      • forensic

        The ever present off-topic thread is available at any time for basically the same purpose as the open threads. Also, game threads and even game recap threads basically operate as open threads anyway.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          This is a brilliant suggestion, forensic.

          The off-topic thread goes unused for months at a time. So much of what we feel is beginning to get in the way if the flow of threads could easily exist there with minimal burden to both old regulars and new friends. I’d make it a point of being involved in both.

          I hope this gets a bit of traction. I think you’ve got the happy medium here.

  • TheRealGreg

    Looks like we will gain another game on the Blue Jays as the Astros have given them trouble. Jays needed a 9th inning comeback to win the first game and it looks like they will lose the next 2.

  • Yanks101

    NO DOTF Tonight???

    • forensic

      Staten Island is still playing and it looks like Scranton may have just finished. How about giving Mike a few minutes to finish it up?

  • MTU

    Manana Amigos.

    Dulce suenos para todos.

  • JMV

    Sweet dreams, MTU. Time to go, too.

    Hasta mañana!

  • forensic

    Fernando Rodney just took about an hour and a half to get his ass out to the mound for the 9th inning. Then he was moving in extra slow motion and taking his own number of warm-ups and barely moved to pick up a ball that he failed to catch on a throw back to him.

    What is this guy’s problem?

    • BigLoving

      I was wondering the same thing. I’m guessing he was annoyed he had to come in during a non-save situation?

  • yankeefeminista

    RIP, Thurm. We miss you and we’ll never forget you.

  • Pollyanna aka tri.sha

    What in the name of sweet Jesus is the sickness in this country that people now choose killing their children as a way of getting back at their divorcing spouses? Or as a way of getting out from under the “burden” of having to take care of their children?

    Let’s keep cheering on sex, violence, and breaking the law as the main themes in television and movies – but be sure not to utter the word “God” too loud or too often.

    • vicki

      go away.

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        What. The fuck. Was that. Above you. Vicki.

        • BKamm

          That is the wicked witch of Lohud. Mike needs to get rid of her. She caused major problems over there she’ll try and do the same thing here. Warning.

        • BKamm

          I was wondering how long she would take before she really got going. Not bad. Three days?

  • davidincal

    Stop lying on her. She stood up to Prufrock and he never let her forget it. He’s the one who broke that forum apart. Posters got tired of being pushed around by him and left. Maybe she thinks Open Thread means open for any kind of comment. If it doesn’t just tell her.

  • davidincal

    Here is your open thread for the night. The Mets are playing and MLB Network is airing a game as well. Who you see depends on where you live. Talk about those games, this afternoon’s win, or anything else right here.

    It does say anything else.

  • steve

    Prufrock on Lohud was a big mouth bully, make no mistake about it. He had a tight knit circle of cycophants and they were equally nasty. He tries to pull that here they’ll carry him out in a body bag.