Aug
10

Sunday Night Open Thread

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Here is your open thread for the rest of the night. The ESPN Sunday Night Game is the Braves and Nationals (Wood vs. Gonzalez), so talk about that game, this afternoon’s loss, or anything else on your mind right here.

Categories : Open Thread
  • goterpsgo

    Having dinner tonight on the Eastern Shore, and the restaurant is full of people dressed in black and orange. I hate black and orange. It’s so ugly.

    • Too_Many_Idiots

      Just tell yourself they celebrate Halloween year round.

    • Pete22

      Black is our beginning and end and orange is the life force which makes good juice as well

  • TB

    How long do we have to put up with Kevin Long as this teams hitting coach?? I don’t question his work ethic but his methods are not working and have not for quite sometime now… Its time for a new hitting coach with different ideas on approach and hitting theory…

    • Brian Cashman

      “we can’t go on together with suspicious mind… and we can’t built our dreams on suspicious mind”

      • TB

        Good song…Not a bad choice…But I happen to be one of those rare fans who loves baseball so much I actually watch pitch for pitch studying the pitcher and the batters tendencies. I can tell a teams approach towards the opposing pitcher within a couple of batters. Biggest problem with the Yankees offense is not the talent but the approach and the lack of adapting and changing to the situations at hand. No doubt hardest thing to do in sports is hit a baseball but these are professionals and players and coaches both need to adapt. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result..

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          If they only could do it as easily as the guy sitting on his couch thinks he could.

          • TB

            Yes and that’s the response of someone who assumes the person knows what he is doing because he is there which is very ignorant. The results are all you honestly need to look at to know a problem exists. I just happen to study it and understand why the approach isn’t working. He isn’t a good hitting coach no matter how you slice it. He should replaced as soon as possible. The sands of time are running out on this season.

            • Jorge Steinbrenner

              If you say so.

            • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

              You study it…how exactly?

              • TB

                Is that an actual question… You watch hitters and literally see the approach…Don’t u notice if they are swinging at breaking balls early in counts or sitting on fastballs. You can tell what they are looking for and u can tell if they are trying to pull everything…

                • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

                  So you’re saying that you can tell these things better than the team’s current coaching staff?

                  • TB

                    I can tell it better than the current hitting coach.

                    • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

                      OK, gotcha.

                    • TB

                      Randy I watch pretty much every game the Yankees play – whether I am at the stadium or home plus I like to watch other teams just to learn the other teams players. I love baseball though I have pinstripes on my heart. I can pretty much tell you what the other teams pitcher will throw and where 60 percent of the time…. Let me know how many advanced scouts can do that..

                    • Deep Thoughts

                      Dude just stop.

                    • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

                      Come now, DT. We need more knowledgeable voices around here rather than people who add nothing to the conversation.

                    • Deep Thoughts

                      My bad. I didn’t realize we had a vigilante advance scout at the ballpark (or watching on TV) each night. I wish K-Long could predict 3 out of every 5 pitches the opponent throws. Why don’t the Yankees understand that the key to better hitting is clairvoyance? Or a guy in the Rogers Centre bleachers.

                    • Jorge Steinbrenner

                      It’s like if every bad “I trust my eyes” immigrant on here got together, created a sperm cocktail, and this was their offspring.

                    • TB

                      Jorge most of us wish u were the creation of sperm but u came out the other end

                    • Jorge Steinbrenner

                      Alrighty, then. OK, folks. That settles it. He knows more than Kevin Long. Tomorrow, we’ll meet the guy who can cure all diseases on here.

                    • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

                      That’s me. I can cure all diseases. But because I’m a cold hearted prick, I choose not to do so.

                      Screw all y’all!

                    • TB

                      stop what – most people cant do that – I just have always been able to watch and remember at a high rate. I have been able to do that for a long time..

                    • 7th place ribbon

                      I too can watch baseball. Sometimes I eat popcorn while watching. Most people can’t do that but I’ve been able to for as long as my dad can remember.

                    • TB

                      lmaooooooooo good stuff

                    • 461deep

                      Remember Varitek, Posada, Munson, Fisk all had feisty leadership qualities that helped bring their teams to the
                      WS. With 45 games to play team still has a shot at 2nd WC. Every week adds or detracts from that possibility. O’s
                      got hurt bad by Davis 2 Ks today leaving bases loaded twice.
                      Good Yankee pitching needs to continue.

                    • YakaTanaka

                      You remember, but can’t put any of it into words?

                    • YakaTanaka

                      Yet you cannot explain to us anything about why Long is bad, except that we should look at the results?

                    • TB

                      lol I already explained it on here tonight – do you know how to read as well

              • YakaTanaka

                He studies it and knows why it isn’t working, but he can’t be bothered to explain why to us… Interesting.

    • Yanks

      What exactly is he doing wrong? Kevin Long cannot be blamed for major leaguers not hitting. He can suggest tweaks, such as the toe tap with McCann, that can help, but he can’t just make him back into an All-Star hitter. McCann needs to do that part. Major leaguers, especially stars like McCann and Beltran, should know how to hit and hit well.

      • TB

        Based on your theory no hitting coach is needed – if its only on the player then why have one?

        • YankeeBill

          Batting coaches are more for the mental game than anything else. I know I appreciate someone telling me what’s wrong when I’m not hitting well. But they can’t swing the bat for me.

          • TB

            Batting coaches work so much video with players in todays game maybe u don’t realize the impact they have. One problem also is hitting coaches are stubborn and don’t like to adapt from their beliefs which is why keeping one around too long is bad thing for a team. Everything in sports is about adapting to how you are being approached. You have to continue to adapt and change to have consistent success. This coach does none of that…I have seen the hitting approach here game in and game out too long. A change needed and i guarantee you it will help.

            • YakaTanaka

              That you watch video and do drills with someone does not magically make you responsible for the outcomes of his PAs.

        • YakaTanaka

          Please stop. That a hitting coach cannot control everything his hitters do does not mean he’s not needed. Please stop to think for 5 seconds.

          • TB

            Yaka I have thought a lot more than you – His methods are well documented – they are not secrets – he has written a book on it – he has done interviews on it and the results have been awful — almost every hitter he has touched has seen his numbers fall off – that’s pure fact – next time do some research on the matter before sticking your foot in your mouth

    • Deep Thoughts

      Ellbury and McCann both spoke about behaviors Long pointed out and tweaks he suggested that helped them break out of slumps. Stop looking for scapegoats for slumping hitters. No hitting coach can fix old, injured, or bench-player-pressed-into-starting. “Change for the sake of change” is a load of crap. Go peddle that shit on talk radio.

      • TB

        McCann is having the worst year of his career and so is beltran. You literally just made yourself look like a complete fool. They are having the worst seasons of there careers under KEVIN LONG.

        • Deep Thoughts

          Thanks for the “complete fool” advice.

          https://twitter.com/richardjustice/status/491644318826766336

          Also find someone who can read and have them read the part above where I said “No hitting coach can fix injured.”

          Your other posts were at least ridiculous enough to be hilarious. This one is just downright ignant and grouchy. Maybe four Smirnoff ICEs is enough eh? Why don’t you call it a night.

          • TB

            Yes and he is hitting .238 for the season and been a disaster… He hit for one month of the season and lmao at u buying the toe tap crap… McCann used to actually hit the other way till LONG got hold of him…That’s typical of almost any left handed batter Long ever goes near. Basically every hitter the Yankees have acquired during the long era have seen there offensive production drop. That’s a pure fact.
            Keep trying though.

            • Deep Thoughts

              I think you’re on to something! Never mind this nonsense:

              http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/e.....ng-in-2014


              Heading into Tuesday’s action, MLB hitters were posting the lowest
              batting average and on-base percentage since the 1972 season. That year
              has some historical significance, which we’ll get to in a bit.

              The
              4.19 runs per game clip is actually up ever-so-slightly from last
              season, but both 2013 and 2014 to this point rank as well-below-average
              offensive seasons in baseball history, post-Dead Ball Era.

              This
              continues a trend we’ve been seeing for the past several years. Offense
              is clearly in decline as the pitchers become more dominant.

              You figured it out! It’s KEVIN LONG! If only you could alert the team, but for some reason they won’t hire you!

              • TB

                and where do the Yankees rank among teams – again keep trying – right now try about 12th in the American league with almost every hitter well below their average numbers

                • Deep Thoughts

                  You know what dude? Just send your resume to the team, share some of your theories in your cover letter, and good luck to you. Based on the arguments, experience, and qualifications you’ve laid out in this thread, I’m sure you’ll be the toast of the coaching staff in no time. Then I can say, “He called me a complete fool way back when.”

                  • TB

                    Yes you are ignorant to the facts of kevin long’s tenure here. That makes you a fool… Because the facts and the production thru the years have shown most hitters have dropped off under him and by a lot. Plain and simple.
                    In fact about a week ago he had the gall to blame it on the players stating we are only capable of scoring 3 or 4 runs a game which is a horrific thing to say. He blamed it on the players he worked with throwing them all under the bus.

            • Too_Many_Idiots

              McCann has more opposite field hits this year than in 2013.

        • YakaTanaka

          No, sadly you are looking like a fool. That someone is having the worst season of his career with a given hitting coach does not necessarily mean it’s the hitting coach’s fault.

          Did Long put the bonespur in Beltran’s elbow?

          • TB

            actually most of the hitters who have come here under kevin long have experience much less production and many have had there worst years under him

    • YakaTanaka

      The hitting coach cannot make hitters perform well.

      As an outsider you are in no position to say what his techniques are, let alone whether they are working.

      • TB

        lmaoo hit techniques are well documented – do u have any clue and if hitting coaches weren’t there to help hitters they wouldn’t pay them a million dollars a year lol

  • 518forever

    Jays n tigers tied top of the 18th lolll

    • forensic

      Back to back days there has been a game that went to the 19th inning. I can’t imagine that has happened all that often in MLB history.

    • Pete22

      Jays win in 19. Mighty Tigers held scoreless the last 15 innings and lose series 2/3.

  • tomingeorgia

    Not the lift I was looking for today. Get’em tomorrow.

    • RhapsodyInBlue

      Very depressing outcome.

  • Pete22

    Sobering thought, since the ASB the Yankees have lost 1 game in the division race and only picked up 1 game in the 2nd WC race. Need to go on a serious run, soemthing like winning 10 of 12.

    • Brian Cashman

      Livin’ On a prayer.

      • Pete22

        A contract extension for you depends on the prayer being answered

        • YakaTanaka

          Doubt it. As in, doubt Cashman’s job is in any jeoprady. He’s judged on his decisions, not just on the results. Hal is not as dumb as his father.

  • SweetSpot

    The fat lady is almost to the stadium.

    • Brian Cashman

      “Fat bottomed girls you make the rocking world go round”

      • Stratocaster

        Just personal preference, but I would’ve gone with Spinal Tap here. #mudflaps

    • Pete22

      Gonna have to wait a week or more before she starts singing. A week of baseball against the Orioles and Rays on the road will determine this seasons fate.

    • just_add_bacon7

      Can she hit and play a serviceable second base?

      • Stratocaster

        She can hit, but her range at second is limited because… well… she’s fat.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          So third base is what you’re saying. If Sandoval can do it…

          • Stratocaster

            Oh, she’s got reflexes and a quick first step. Besides, she covers almost enough ground just by standing there. Rumor is scouts found her in AC standing at a place called the “hot corner”. I’ve not been able to verify this yet. Still efforting.

  • Yanks101

    Bird looks awesome! Any chance he gets a top 100 prospect mention? late 90′s?

    • Brian Cashman

      his stats reads like a polished hitter with advance hitting skills and eyes for his age.

      • TB

        Actually Bird reminds me very much of a Joey Votto Type. I actually have high hopes for Bird down the line…

        • Brian Cashman

          I think 2016 if he is not traded. His transition onto AA has been seamless. he has already display good power and good judgments of strike zone. I am high on Bird as well.

          • bernbabybern

            Does he have strong pinkies?

    • Yanks

      It’s very hard for first basemen to get top 100 mentions. I don’t think he gets them, but he’s still one of the best first baseman prospects regardless.

      • YakaTanaka

        Agreed. Rightly or wrongly (probably wrongly) those lists are very what have you done for me lately… So between his defensive value and a less than dominant offensive year I doubt he makes any top 100s.

        Doesn’t mean he’s not a top 100 caliber prospect or a top 1B prospect, as you said.

  • Yanks101

    and how did he slip to the 5th round

    • Yanks

      Because it cost over $1 million to get him… he was a top talent who fell because of signability and likely back concerns. It wasn’t like he was some unknown.

      • YakaTanaka

        I don’t know if the back was a know issue yet, but it was commonly believed that he’d never last at C just because of his size, athelticism, and defense at the spot regardless of back issues.

        In the old draft system signability guys used to drop and still sign every year. Yankees would usually grab one seven figure guy per year a little later on under Opp: AJax, Betances, Mason, Bird, Angelini, etc.

  • https://twitter.com/KramerIndustry Dr. Martin van Nostrand

    The quality of MLB is so poor right now…

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/standings/_/group/9

    Milwaukee has the 5th best record in the league.

    Milwaukee is only on pace to win 89 games right now.

    There are only four teams on pace to exceed 90 wins this season. Unreal.

    • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

      Bud has achieved the mediocrity…uh, parity…that he always sought!

      • Pete22

        He has actually beaten offense in the AL back to the 70′s. This is the worst baseball I have seen in decades. At least in the 70′s and 80′s there were some bench brawls to keep us entertained, but players today are all buddies off the field now

        • YakaTanaka

          Not sure they had a whole lot of choice once the PED scandal blew up.

          And it’s hard for a baseball fan to say they only enjoy high scoring games.

          • Pete22

            You assume it was PED’s alone that led to the offensive explosion but it was the juiced ball and high density maple bats (no other way to explain the across the board jump in one year for power AND BABIP). He expanded the strike zone unofficially and put in a rule that allows older players to use the old bats but young players must use lower density bats, and likely he tweaked back the ball just a tad (not completely since BABIP still high).

            Also, Bud was completely on board with PED’s and MLB used to give seminars to owners explaining the benefits of PED’s.. Remember too, pitchers used PED’s as much as hitters.

      • YakaTanaka

        Every single pro team sports league in the US seeks parity, and the other three big ones have gone much, much further to get it than MLB.

        This Selig parity meme is a Yankee fan fantasy. He serves the owners, not the other way around. It should not surprise you that small market owners don’t want to be dominated by the Yankees and a few other big market teams.

        • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

          You think I don’t know any of that? And let’s not forget that Bud WAS a small market owner. He serves the owners, yes, but he WAS an owner, he WAS one of the ringleaders of collusion and he has done everything he can to limit the advantages the Yankees have possessed.

        • Bolek

          This Selig parity meme is a Yankee fan fantasy. He serves the owners,
          not the other way around. It should not surprise you that small market
          owners don’t want to be dominated by the Yankees and a few other big
          market teams.

          The next poster, “Randy Levine,” implies it, and I’ll dot the i: your logic is, then, that Selig serves the interests of the small market owners. This has always been obvious to people whom you claim to be fantasizing about a Selig parity theme. (Memes were a confection of that undereducated geneticist and his philosopher pal.) It doesn’t matter whether one says “Selig wants parity” or “Small market owners want parity.” To say one is to say the other.

    • YakaTanaka

      Or the quality is so high that it’s hard for teams to sparate themselves.

  • Brian Cashman

    rooting for the As in case Yanks don’t make it.

    • TB

      Well make sure you let lester know you are rooting for him and that lefty pitchers like him tend to have a lot of success in Yankee Stadium.

      • Brian Cashman

        Lester on a 3-4 year contract would be ideal, Of late, domestic FA has become more and more inflated where demand outweighs supply., so I would imaging lester is no different.

        • YakaTanaka

          Lester is getting more than 4 years.

          And demand has always been greater than supply in free agency. It is the nature of an illiquid market with serious scarcity.

          • TB

            actually he wrote book on it and has done tons of interviews on his methods so its well documented

            • YakaTanaka

              This does not even begin to answer my questions or address the subject. What is he doing with specific hitters, and would they be better or worse with another coach?

    • forensic

      I’d actually love to see the A’s fail yet again in the postseason. Given the five AL teams in postseason position right now, I’d probably have to favor the Royals the most, though it’d probably be a very uninteresting postseason to me.

      • Brian Cashman

        like to see Beane finally win one but other than that , on rooting for a sheer underdog, KC is not a bad choice.

      • https://twitter.com/KramerIndustry Dr. Martin van Nostrand

        The fact that I’ve been on this whole “best teams don’t win nearly enough in baseball in this era” kick in recent times means that, outside the Yankees, I practically need for the A’s to win it all because they are far and away the best team out there. Good grief, Billy Beane is a fantastic GM who has built some excellent teams and he’s had more than enough best-of-5 heartbreak; same with those fans in Oakland.

        • Deep Thoughts

          I’m inclined to agree with you. Beane really has some skin in the game this year, what with all the deadline trades.

          And there really aren’t any guys on the team I’d call truly “unlikeable” to such an extent that I’d root against them. Gomes, Reddick, and Crisp have residual Red Sox annoyance factors but they don’t rise to, say, Varitek-level dislike.

          • forensic

            I’m not really a fan of the team, but I don’t necessarily hate many of them either. For me, the fans bug me sometimes and their announcers bug me and I think I just extend that to the team in general and don’t want them to get to experience that kind of success. For some reason, I do kind of enjoy the “Beane can’t win in the postseason” thing, though.

            • YakaTanaka

              The A’s have fans?

    • TB

      So is Billy Beane your best friend among other General Managers then ?

  • ChristIsKing

    WELL, “anything on your mind” doesn’t really mean ANYTHING… haha… IF the Yanks dont make it, Im rooting for the Royals

    • Pete22

      My team would be Cano’s Mariners. I actually would not mind seeing Duquettes Orioles do well either, only because it would irk Red Sox fans

  • Jorge Steinbrenner

    If the Yankees don’t make it, I’m rooting for my Fantasy Football team.

  • TB

    I truly like the idea of the Yankees signing Lester this off-season and they wouldn’t have to lose a draft pick to sign him because he was traded midseason and cannot be given a qualifying offer by Oakland. I think Lester is a perfect fit for yankee stadium as a lefty and we all know how he competes in big games. He should be the Yankees number 1 target this offseason.

    • 7th place ribbon

      Lester fits the type of high makeup profile that they seem to be targeting lately. I bet they make a strong run for him.

  • CarlosRodriguezNeuf

    Who gets days off tomorrow night? These games don’t matter, right Joe. It’s only August.

    • YakaTanaka

      August or not, some guys need a day off… Especially guys with bad backs, like Headley.

  • ChristIsKing

    does anyone know why Peter O’Brien isn’t playing? He hasn’t played in a while.

    • TB

      He was traded for Martin Prado

      • ChristIsKing

        I know that, Im saying, he isn’t playing for the Mobile Baybears either.

        • TB

          Sorry then my apology – I thought you were looking for him in the Trenton lineup…

        • forensic

          Looks like he was removed for a pinch runner after a 1st inning single on the 6th and hasn’t played since then. I’m assuming there’s some sort of injury (not that it helps you much).

  • TB

    It was nice posting back with the majority of you tonight – Always a few idiots but that cant be helped.. Lets Go Yankees tomorrow. Cross your fingers for a quality outing by Capuano and that we actually score some runs.

    • YakaTanaka

      No offense, but this comes across as the height of the pot calling the kettle black.

      If you actually have reason to believe Long is a bad hitting coach besides the offense struggling, please articulate it rather than going with some nonsense “trust me, I watch baseball” argument.

      • TB

        Well I explained it already but I will explain it again for you. Kevin Long’s teachings rely strictly are teaching players to rotate inward to turn and drive balls. His focus is on trying to hit homeruns and add power which is as many baseball players will tell you is a moronic approach because its even harder to hit homeruns when you try to. He also quite often game plans yankee hitters for them to hit off the breaking ball instead of the fastball which is half ass backwards. He teaches hitters to be pure mistake hitters. Opposing teams game plan the Yankees in a very simple away. Throw mostly away from our hitters to cause players to roll there hands over which is what happens when you constantly try to pull outside pitches. When they come inside pitchers usually come in just off the plate which if you swing at those become very difficult to keep fair which also explains why we have a lot of hard hit line drive foul balls. Its a planned attack against his style of teachings and he refuses to alter and teach his hitters to hit mostly off the fastball and to go with the pitch.
        I Could write a book on everything he teaches wrong but obviously I cant do that here. Our offensive production is not down for the past few years because of the talent we have. Its in every shape and form the approach.

        • OldYanksFan

          Do you know Kevin Long?
          Have you spoken with him?
          Have you spent time with him and the Yankees?
          How can you PRETEND to know exactly what Long is teaching?

          It’s amazing that you can base your long inded opinions on ‘facts’ that you are simply pulling out of your ass.

          • TB

            Lets try this again – His teachings have been made very public – He wrote a book about it – Has video’s on it. Has done many interviews about it… Its not secret. He even has a hitting camp he runs during the off-season. Everything he teaches that has been made public is very evident with on field production. Its also why the other 29 teams crack up at the Yankees offensive approach. They literally shift on almost all of our hitters. WHY? Because they know our hitters will still try to hit balls thru a shift because of him. The funniest part is KEVIN LONG said I don’t want to change a players swing just because they are shifting. Hitting the ball the other way has nothing to do with changing your swing. Its based on two things. You can do what Derek Jeter has done most of his career and that’s let the ball get a little deeper and you will naturally go the other way or u can take your front leg and move it more inside instead of outside. Has nothing to do with changing your swing. Oh and for the record Derek Jeter refuses to work with Kevin Long. Something he made public when Long tried to change Jeter’s swing and he went into an awful slump a few years back. Derek Literally went back down to tampa to work with the hitting instructor there to get his swing back to normal. Kevin Long was actually brought here because of AROD. Arod wanted him him and they hired him. Now he is one of Girardi’s best friends and he protects him no matter how much it hurts the team.

            • http://shhhorsie.com Cheval Anonyme

              KL: “I don’t want to change a players swing just because they are shifting”

              TB: “Hitting the ball the other way has nothing to do with changing your swing”

              If it is true that hitting the ball the other way has nothing to do with changing your swing, as you say, then KL’s position SHOULD be: “I don’t want to change a players swing just because they are shifting”

              In other words, it appears you agree with KL; but are having trouble recognizing this, because you read his book and apparently now think you know his entire mind.

              Note: I do appreciate you spelling out the reasons for your opinion; and I disagree with YakaTanaka’s approach of setting an unreasonably high bar for someone else to defend a contrary position.

              • TB

                Wrong I am pointing out he doesn’t even understand the difference…He actually thinks you have to change someone’s swing to hit the ball the other way. HIS WORDS NOT MINE… I explained to you how to hit the ball the other way but he refuses to change the hitters approach and front leg position. Because of that we watch almost every hitter that comes here decline in batting average and on base. Even Lou Pinella pointed this out constantly when he was on the YES Broadcast team and Pinella has forgotten more about hitting than Long will ever know. Pinella was then let go of by the Yankees the following season because of his comments in regards to Kevin Long’s approach and teachings. Even Cano a naturally great hitter left Long this year and is hitting over .330 in a very tough ballpark to hit in. He has raised his average like 30 points just by getting away from this guy.

  • http://thesaurus.com/browse/albatross Mandy Stankiewicz

    As always: pick up hard ball games at Commodore Barry in Brooklyn on (new day) Sundays, 1pm. Any/all.

  • blake

    Off topic but did you guys see the video of Tony Stewart hitting that guy? That thing is gonna get ugly because the video makes it look like he almost tried to hit him……I don’t think that’s what happened…..I think he thought he was by him and hit the throttle and it fish tailed the back end and it caught him……either way what a tragedy. 20 year old kid lost his temper and did something dumb and lost his life for it.
    Condolences