Aug
15

Update: Tanaka will throw 25 pitches in the bullpen tomorrow

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4:01pm: Tanaka played catch again today and he will throw a 25-pitch side session in the bullpen tomorrow, according to Meredith Marakovits. It will be the first time he throws off a mound since getting hurt.

12:30pm: Via George King: Masahiro Tanaka could get back up on a mound and throw in the bullpen as soon as tomorrow. “It will be in the next few days if he continues to progress,’’ said pitching coach Larry Rothschild. That fits into the six-week timetable that was initially reported when he got hurt.

Tanaka, who has been out since early-July with a partially torn elbow ligament, threw ten fastballs off flat ground during Wednesday’s throwing session and everything went fine. He’s continuing to progress well with no pain and that is the most important thing. If Tanaka comes back in September, great. But at this point the focus should be on 2015.

Categories : Asides, Injuries
  • Terry Noack

    I’m crossing my fingers on Tanaka. I just don’t want them to rush him back for nothing. He was the top pitcher in the AL before he got hurt and obviously the face of the pitching staff in the future!!!

  • Michael Pineddarda

    They should be shutting him down and preparing for next season. There is no reason for him to be pushing his rehab to come back to a team that can’t score more than 3 runs a game.

    KC Royals are flying high, Detroit has 5 aces, M’s have Robbie Cano and King Felix, Jays have a real offense. You’re not jumping 4 teams when your biggest LH power bat in Brett Gardner and your biggest RH power bat is Frankie Cervelli.

    • EricVA

      They aren’t pushing his rehab. This is his rehab. They haven’t accelerated anything to make sure he comes back this year.

      I think it’s important to see whether the treatment worked this year as opposed to next spring. If he needs TJ surgery, better to find out in Sept. than in April next year.

    • TCF16

      Ay yay yay Eddard Figeueroa, just quit it.
      Three doctors reccomended Tanaka try rest and rehab. That’s exactly what he’s doing. The Yanks aren’t pushing him, they’re following a reccomended path. The recco was NOT TJ surgery. You don’t rip a guy’s body open unless you have to.

      • Scott

        Just ignore him. I don’t respond to anything he says anymore. He’s just trolling for comments.

    • Rick

      And all of that has what to do with Tanaka’s recovery? If the doctors tell him he needs to pitch to strengthen the UCL, then why should the team have him do the exact opposite?

  • Jorge Steinbrenner

    If this works, I’m injecting plasma into every hole in my body.

    • dkidd

      on this subject, can someone explain to me how injecting platelet rich plasma is different than injecting hgh for the same purpose? legitimate question.

      • EricVA

        HGH is a synthetic hormone injection whereas PRP is derived from the body’s own blood.

        • dkidd

          so it’s the organic nature of a substance that makes it not cheating? should a player suffering from depression be suspended for taking zoloft instead of st john’s wort?
          just playing devil’s advocate

          • EricVA

            Doing a little more quick research, it seems that HGH works on cartilage but PRP works on muscles and tendons. It also doesn’t seem like PRP will grow muscle tissue like HGH will.

            • dkidd

              growing muscle tissue makes a solid case for there being a legit difference. thanks for doing research i should have done myself!

              i’m fascinated by the shifting border zone of ethics and scientific (particularly genetic) advancement. professional sports leagues will be forced to make some hard decisions in coming decades

              • Rick

                I don’t think the professional sports leagues have any hard decisions to make. They work with doctors, both with teams and independently, all the time and put together very comprehensive banned substance lists. If players aren’t sure about something, they have numbers to call at the league to run it by them. Never feel bad for someone failing a drug test, it didn’t happen on accident.

                • Rick

                  More to your point, if science dictates that a substance is helpful, the league will never be opposed to someone using it. There really is no grey area at all with ethics and science in professional sports.

                  • dkidd

                    in a few years, (wealthy) parents will be able to genetically modify their as-yet-unborn children to produce superior performance
                    i’d call that a grey area

                    • Rick

                      Yea, let’s see that actually be feasible before saying it will happen.

            • bardos

              I had PRP therapy for my knees. It does work on cartilage. It’s brilliant.

          • Mandy Stankiewicz

            This is off-topic, but I always feel bad for the guys who get suspended for an expired Ritalin Rx. It’s a piss poor stimulant, and getting addicted to it is far worse than the competitive edge it gives you.

            • dkidd

              and based on this year’s dullsville offensive numbers, maybe manfred should consider allowing greenies back into the mix
              /just kidding
              /not really kidding

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        I’m sure there’s a legit reason.

        My knee-jerk reason would be that everything is fine, until it’s not.

    • Drew

      Sounds painful…

    • Bubba

      It’s Saturday night already?

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        It’s Friday afternoon, bitch. There’s billing reports to be run. No better time than now.

        • Bubba

          That’s kinda hostile

          • Jorge Steinbrenner

            I meant it in the nicest way possible. I assure you. Just say it in your best Jesse Pinkman.

            • Bubba

              I was talking about the billing reports.

              • Jorge Steinbrenner

                They fucking suck.

  • UnKnown

    Yes. If Tanaka is able, bring him back. Time to put together a run to get back in the mix.

  • Colossal

    Tanaka-Pineda-CC-McCarthy-ManBan for 2015

    • Rick

      What’re you going to do with May through October though?

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        Why….

        Greene
        Turley
        Whitley
        Dontrelle Willis
        Paul Byrd (is he even still pitching? HE WILL BE.)

  • Drew

    I wanna put the Andy Reid Koolaide man Oh Yeah gif but I can’t find any online that is under 2MB. So I will just link it here to express my excitement.

    http://www.brobible.com/sports.....l-aid-man/

  • Chip

    Question:

    If Tanaka, Pineda and ManBan close out the season healthy (and maybe Banuelos even gets a call up in September) then what is the rotation next year?

    Bring McCarthy back and go with:
    Tanaka, Pineda, McCarthy, Banuelos, CC – if that’s the case and you presumably have Shane Greene, Bryan Mitchell and Chase Whitley in AAA (though if this year was any indication two of them will be in the bullpen not pitching) do you deal Phelps even though he has shown he can be a solid #3?

    Those are five starters who are all going to have injury questions lingering over them – do you just stack your AAA rotation with Phelps, Greene, Mitchell and Whitley (and possibly Caleb Cothem)

    Do you still jump into the deep end of the pool for Lester or Scherzer?

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      I absolutely jump into the deep end….and I’m taking you with me.

      Too much risk. Not counting on CC. Look at the injury risk with your starting five there. I just injected myself with some plasma out of risk that reading those names aloud might hurt me.

      • Chip

        I tend to agree. If it were me (and it’s not) I would sign Lester (who does not require a draft pick) and then deal Pineda either for a SS or in a package for one and go with Lester, Tanaka, McCarthy, Banuelos and CC with the understanding that at some point David Phelps is going to be my number 4 or 5 starter.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          Tanaka
          Lester/Shields
          Pineda
          Phelps/Banuelos
          McCarthy

          Let God sort CC and Nova out.

          • Chip

            CC’s going to be in the rotation. I think Pineda could be a star but I also flinch every time he wiggles his arm on the mound at this point. If you can deal him for a top SS prospect I would probably take that.

            • Rick

              I’m not sure CC is ever going to be in anyone’s rotation again. I hope I’m wrong.

              • Jorge Steinbrenner

                This.

          • Thunderfingers (prev. I’m One)

            Forgot to add Greene into that group. Phelps/Banuelos could end up in the ‘pen. That wouldn’t be the worst problem to have.

            • Jorge Steinbrenner

              You are correct, sir. I did forget. I’d bump BGDP for him at this point.

              • Chip

                I would probably go Greene over Phelps too – which makes me wonder if, instead of Pineda, the team might look to deal Phelps this winter. Though given the injury uncertainty with the rest of the arms – having Phelps around makes a lot of sense. But not if you’re going to have him in the pen to open the season like they did this year.

            • dkidd

              greene’s emergence might be the secret future-impacting development of the season

            • Rick

              Banuelos should not be put in the bullpen. Either he breaks camp with the team in the rotation, or he goes back to AAA and stays stretched out. You don’t put your best pitching prospect in the bullpen to start the year … unless and until he shows he’s no longer a starter.

          • blake

            me likes…..hope Hal does

        • dkidd

          if pineda stays healthy long enough to be a viable trade chip, then it probably means he’s a legit #2

          imo, it will take at least a full year of health before teams stop regarding him as a time bomb

          • Bubba

            I agree… I just don’t get the people clamoring to trade Pineda. His injury history is not some big secret. A trade has the potential to be a massive sell low move.

            • Chip

              I’m only suggesting a trade of him because the Yankees have a wealth of arms, he is injury prone and relatively inexpensive with a lot of upside that could net the team something positive in return. I’m not suggesting dealing him for some retread like Ruben Tejada or Jimmy Rollins.

              • Bubba

                The Yankees do seem to have a wealth of arms but all of them have significant questions associated with them. Anyone is tradeable for the right price, but this year would make me a bit leary of trading pitching depth.

                • Chip

                  I agree with that too – but also if you assume that the team is interested in bringing back McCarthy and maybe signing a guy like Lester that means four rotation spots are full (Tanaka and CC being the other two) so that’s one spot for Pineda, Phelps, Greene, Banuelos, Mitchell, Whitely (plus you still have Bleich and Turley in AAA as well.)

                • Scott

                  Not to mention, other than Tanaka and Pineda, none of the arms are much better than #4 or 5 guys, and some really aren’t that. So I would hold onto the pitching for now.
                  the old saying goes, you can never have too much pitching.

    • dkidd

      i jump into the middle of the pool and sign shields

      • Chip

        I would rather sign Lester for more money and keep the draft pick.

        • dkidd

          forgot about the pick. how much they value it depends how far they fall (or rise)

          • Chip

            I also like the idea of having a dominant LHP in the rotation.

            • dkidd

              dominant and durable. and pitcher durability might be the new market efficiency (sign bronson arroyo!!!)

              • Chip

                Was that said with sarcasm or did you not know Arroyo is hurt?

                • dkidd

                  forgot he was hurt, but he did have a nice run of health there

    • Deep Thoughts

      I smell a…Spring Training Competition!!

      • Chip

        Never hurt anyone: though to be fair the Yankees had a wealth of pitchers in spring training this year with Tanaka, CC, Nova, Kuroda, Pineda, Phelps, Nuno and Warren and we know how that played out.

        • Deep Thoughts

          You’re right indeed. I agree with your scenario above, although I would amend it to Tanaka and Pineda if healthy, McCarthy if open to a 1- or 2-year pillow-type deal, [winner of ST Competition 2015], and CC. I think Phelps and ManBan are obvious favorites with the next two likely slotted in where Phelps and Nuno (or Warren?) were in 2014–long man/6th starter–and everyone else on stand-by for injuries in AAA.

    • dkidd

      might have accidentally down voted this post while meaning to click reply

      apologies if so

  • Deep Thoughts

    NO. The focus should be on late October, baby.

    #ws2014 #daretodream #re2pect #stronghallucinogens

    • Thunderfingers (prev. I’m One)

      +1 (especially to the #stronghallucinogens)

      • Deep Thoughts

        Since the arrival of the LoHuddled Masses, I find it best to read RAB whilst tripping balls.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          Do you find that it makes BigDan look like Jesus?

          • dkidd

            does jesus look like ted nelson?

            • Deep Thoughts

              THIS.

              • Jorge Steinbrenner

                I don’t see them as similar at all, though.

                Theodore usually had good ideas. He just never knew how to end an argument and, by the end, was so hyped up he was just shooting at anything that moved. This also occurred with later contemporaries such as OhioYanks and Stuckey.

                BigDan has one single theory, of his own making, to explain everything, never veers from it and, instead of not knowing how to end an argument, will belittle and eventually ignore you if you don’t kiss his ass.

                • vicki

                  stuckey. that’s the name i couldn’t remember.

            • Jorge Steinbrenner

              This is more how I picture Ted. Then he goes off the rails and kills everyone in sight.

              Were you just able to type that name? AXISA HAS LIFTED THE BAN.

              • nsalem

                Has Ted really been banned. I though he reappeared a while back as Yankee fan in Ohio but that was short lived. iI liked him and got along with him. He never nuked me. A remember a couple of years back, someone suggested that I was him, or he was me.

                • Jorge Steinbrenner

                  They were really similar, but I don’t think that was him, in the end. Ted’s arguments were tighter.

                  From reading a couple of LoHud chats (and I did read those from time to time), there seemed to have been a running joke as to a Ted Nelson insulting Chad on every chat. It very much looked like a fake to me.

                  For a while, you couldn’t get a comment to show on here if you typed his name. That does mean some sort of attempt of blocking him from posting. He got real nasty towards Mike at the end.

          • Deep Thoughts

            Yes, as I’ve said since May.

  • John

    I find it ironic that this year you could argue the two most important pieces to the Yankees future that have got injured have gotten the adverse luck of last year. If this were 2013 Tanaka would’ve shredded his UCL. I don’t mean to be a pessimist but it seemed like last year if one of the players stepped down the steps of the dugout the wrong way they’d be on the 15 day DL.

    My point is that I like how Pineda and Tanaka are progressing, but with each progression you need to take it with a grain of salt.

    • Scott

      While neither Pineda nor Tanaka are out of the woods, it is interesting how the Yanks injuries this year don’t seem to fraught with as many setbacks (Pineda did have one) as years past. Perhaps the medical staff found something, or the way they do rehab is better, not sure. But your point is interesting.

      • John

        Possibly, or maybe Tanaka’s partial tear wasn’t as serious as first believed? I’ve been under the impression that partial tears only become “full-on tears” once you over work the ligament which you repaired.

        I think Mike stated it earlier this week, but I think Pineda is just now getting out of that “young pitcher injury group” which I believe ends somewhere around 26. He could be just a very fragile person put into a huge athlete’s body for all we know.

  • Chip

    The real question I guess – in follow up to my one below is: if the rotation next year is Tanaka, Pineda, McCarthy, Banuelos and CC what do you do with Greene, Mitchell, Phelps, Warren and Whitley?

    Is that your AAA rotation?
    Is Warren a reliever all the way at this point?
    Do they open the season like they opened this season with Phelps, Warren, Greene and Whitley in the pen rather than being stretched out in Scranton?
    Do you trade from that crop or from the group of likely starters?

    • John

      Why is Warren a starter in AAA? I think he showed enough in the first few months of the season to warrant a late inning role next year before the starting staff’s injuries caused over use.

      I’d have to think, like this year, they’d begin Phelps in long relief. In a perfect world the staff would stay healthy for the most part and Girardi could use Phelps like he did Aceves in 2009.

      • Chip

        I only bring up Warren like this because the Yankees said that they were long term considering him a starter. I personally tend to agree that he’s likely a reliever going forward too.

        • John

          I don’t see why they would consider him a starter after a the success he had in the bullpen. Hopefully they learned from their mistakes with Joba and Hughes, who let’s be honest, were far better pitchers/prospects with way better stuff and command.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      I still don’t buy Warren as a better starting option than he would be as a reliever.
      First time throwing this much out of the bullpen. He looks gassed. Still a fan.

      I’d be more willing to keep Phelps stashed in the bullpen and Greene/Whitley stashed in AAA if they lose out on any battles.

  • Chip

    I know on this site the protocol is to stick to the topic at hand – but thought fans might be interested in this: From Baseball America’s Prospect Hot Sheet – Tyler Austin was in the “Team Photo”

    Tyler Austin, of/1b, Yankees: Bronx Bombers fans are hoping that the real Tyler Austin has finally broken through. After an underwhelming first half, Austin, still just 22, has busted out in his repeat at Double-A Trenton. In 27 games since the Eastern League all-star break, Austin has hit .367/.422/.612 with half of his 10 homers this season. He’s always possessed the potential to hit for power and average, but has had injury problems and trouble laying off breaking pitches. Everything seems to be clicking now.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      With all this improvement on his part, he could well find himself playing next to…….a healthy Masahiro Tanaka!!!

      You owe me.

      • Chip

        Why thank you.

    • Bigdan

      I’m actually very interested in Austin and the state of Trenton generally right now. Some interesting developments but I’ll wait for the appropriate thread.

  • Bigdan

    Did I miss something? The Yanks have “a wealth of arms?” Wasn’t the prognosis for starters in 2015 almost dire about a nanosecond ago?

    Oh yes, Tanaka is going to throw off a mound soon. And Pineda did just have a nice five inning start. And Banuelos has looked good his last 3-4 minor league starts. And Phelps still doesn’t need surgery. And CC isn’t going the micro fracture route. So I’d say the Yanks are looking pretty flush next year in the rotation.

  • Chip

    2015 Yankees:

    Tanaka
    Lester
    McCarthy
    CC
    Pineda/Banuelos

    Pen: RHP – Betances, Robertson, Warren, Phelps, Ramirez
    LHP: Lindgren, Webb

    Ellsbury – CF
    Prado – RF
    Gardner – LF
    Tex – 1b
    Beltran – DH
    McCann – C
    Alex – 3b
    Drew – SS
    Castillo – 2b

    Bench: Murphy, Ryan, Almonte, Pirela

    • Jason

      close, but you are off a bit

    • andrewyf

      Luis Castillo?

    • AskMeAboutMyCandyBars

      You forgot Ichiro.

  • AskMeAboutMyCandyBars

    It’ll be grand to see Tanaka back on the mound. Hope to get back on the mound myself one of these days.

  • AskMeAboutMyCandyBars

    Tonight’s starting lineups:

    New York Yankees

    1 LF Brett Gardner
    2 SS Derek Jeter
    3 CF Jacoby Ellsbury
    4 1B Mark Teixeira
    5.DH Carlos Beltran
    6 3B Chase Headley
    7 2B Stephen Drew
    8 RF Martin Prado
    9 C+ Francisco Cervelli

    SP @ Brandon McCarthy

    Rays lineup not posted yet. I’ll edit comment when available.

  • Michael Pineddarda

    Shut him down. And this talk about having too many arms next year is ridiculous. We needed every one of those arms this season. Tanaka, Pineda, CC will be starters although I think they should just pull the plug on CC. I don’t think he’ll ever be good again and his knee will probably give out at some point. BGDP and Greene will battle for a spot, not sure if they’ll re-sign McCarthy or go after a big FA and that will be another spot.

    • Pete22

      The odds of Tanaka, CC and Pineda being all healthy for a full season are less than the odds of winning Powerball. Like you say, nobody should be arguing about too much pitching een if you include back end tylpes like Pehlps , Whitley, Greene and Mitchell.

  • Jerkface

    Please come back, Tanaka, please pull a Wainwright and don’t have TJS until after your opt out date

  • MG

    Nolan Ryan’s personal experience with an elbow problem

    “Ryan said that in September of 1988 with Houston, he began experiencing pain in his elbow and paid a visit to Jobe in Los Angeles, who advised him to shut it down for the last couple of weeks of the season and resume throwing in December.

    “There was a partial tear there,” he said. “It still hurt in December, but when I got to spring training, the pain began to dissipate until it was gone. Dr. Jobe said it had scarred over and that helped protect the elbow. I pitched with that tear the rest of my career.”

    Ryan had two more 200-inning seasons and led the NL in strikeouts with 301 in ‘89 and 232 in ‘90.”

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....-1.1730546

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      I’d never heard that story. Interesting.

      • MG

        Tommy John is also quoted in that story as saying he had his healthiest years pitching under Johnny Sain when he threw off a mound virtually every day in between starts; Leo Mazzone was also a big proponent lots of throwing and his Braves pitching staffs usually stayed healthy as well

    • Pete22

      Ryan was alleged to have used steroids.

      Quote from Ryan
      “And while I was there, I was very fortunate
      to have a pitching coach by the name of Tom House. And Tom and I are the
      same age and Tom is a coach that is always on the cutting edge and I
      really enjoyed our association together. He would always come up with
      new training techniques that we would try and see how they would work
      into my routine. And because of our friendship and Tom pushing me, I
      think that I got into the best shape of my life during the years that I
      was with the Rangers. And Tom, I really miss those days that we
      spent in the weight room and out on the field working together. And that
      last year that you weren’t there, I can really say, buddy, that I
      missed you. Thank you for being here today.””

      House was an admitted steroid user. Nolan also played and associated with many known steroid users such as Canseco, Rafael Palmeiro, Brian Downing, IRod, etc.

      He even had roid rage in his 40s, attacking young players like Robin Ventura.

      None of this is conclusive, but exceptional healing, pitching well into his 40′s, etc are all suggestive. Steroid use might have started in the 70′s with pitchers like House, albeit w/o the weight training except by a few guys like Ryan.

      Different game today. Testing makes it much harder to enhance recovery in-season. Have to wait for the offseason for that since you can take 7 days to report for a test and the drugs are cleared from your system by then. That might be the bets argument for Tanaka not pitching again this season and he can take whatever he needs to accelerate recovery in the offseason

      • Bigdan

        Interesting collection of circumstantial evidence. That’s not a criticism. That’s a compliment. But you are wrong on Ventura. Go back to the video tape. Robin attacked him.

  • Pkyankfan69

    Tanaka > Mo’ne Davis but only by a hair… Girl is straight nasty

  • Yankenstein

    But can he hit ?

  • Bigdan

    I think professional athletes compete with partial tears every day. In the elbow, shoulder, knee, wherever. We probably all do. Sometimes they just heal by themselves. Other times, they are just asymptomatic. I had a dentist tell be once I had a nerve exposed and needed a root canal in my molar. I told him I have zero pain in that tooth. Zero. And I’m not going to let you blow up my tooth until it actually hurts. That was more than 20 years ago. Sometimes the body just doesn’t hurt.

    And then a lot of athletes just play right through it. I bet Pettitte played his entire career with elbow pain. Doctors always say every patient is different and I think that’s totally true. Let’s hope for the best with Tanaka. And maybe the bad stuff will happen after his opt out.

    • blake

      The problem though is that sometimes when the problem actually does hurt there has been more damage done and it’s more difficult to fix. Tanaka had pain and a partial tear…..they are acting very appropriately

    • Pete22

      Fact is he had 4 sub-par starts and then he had pain. Maybe there are pitchers who can pitch through a 5% tear, and pitch effectively, but Tanaka obviously could not. Also, I doubt every 5% tear is equal. Depends on where its located on the UCL I would guess. Also, some less valuable players know TJ Surgery could end their career, or have them non-tendered, so they take Toradol to mask the pain and pitch until they can’t. Some might even be effective for a short while thanks to the masking of the pain.

      Healing requires rest. Pitchers get little rest during the season and tears grow. I do believe HGH played a big role in keeping micro tears that are created after each start from getting worse, and that HGH testing is what has resulted in the explosion of TJ Surgeries. Japan had a pretty lax testing program so maybe the lack of HGH in conjunction with doubling the use of his split played some role. No way to say what Tanaka took in Japan so I am not accusing him, just throwing it out there as within the realm of possibility

      • Bigdan

        I’m not a health care professional so I’m not very sophisticated regarding this topic but HGH has always intrigued me. I live 10 minutes from Hollywood and I think they are all on that stuff as part of anti-aging. Conseco talked about this years ago. So did Bill James.

        There’s always been rumors regarding HGH and injury recovery and in particular Adrian Peterson. As a dumb fan, if HGH can help my ACL injured running back become the 2000 yard player that he was before then I’m all for it. I don’t think PEDs has ever been a black and white thing. More research. More understanding. More progressive thought. I think we all deserve to see Tanaka healthy again. Not just Yankee fans.

  • InvalidUserID

    They should be very conservative with him and not rush him back. Even with a healthy Tanaka and Pineda, they aren’t a WS contending team. Better to have him 100% for next season.