Thoughts following the trade deadline

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I know Friday morning is usually the mailbag slot, but c’mon, yesterday was the trade deadline. It wasn’t just any ol’ trade deadline either, it was the most active and unpredictable trade deadline in a long time. Lots of big names were moved, and, somewhat surprisingly, there were a lot of big leaguer-for-big leaguer trades. Only a handful of prospects changed hands. Seems like teams are finally starting to come around on the idea of prospects being overrated. MLB players are where it’s at. Here’s a recap of all the deadline moves and here are some scattered thoughts.

1. I feel too many people view the trade deadline as binary these days, that teams should either buy or sell with nothing in between. That’s not reality though. There is always a middle ground and that’s the way the Yankees went. They made small upgrades and hugged their prospects at the same time. They acquired four no-doubt upgrades in Brandon McCarthy, Chase Headley, Stephen Drew, and Martin Prado, and they did so at amazingly minimal cost (and got cash back!). All they gave up were two fringe big leaguers in Vidal Nuno and Yangervis Solarte, two mid-range prospects in Peter O’Brien and Rafael DePaula, and the replaceable Kelly Johnson. I mean, how do you not love that? I don’t know if those moves will be enough to put them over the hump and into the postseason, in fact I’ll so as far as saying it is unlikely they will be, but those are clear upgrades that do not damage the short or long-term health of the franchise. Those are four quality players acquired for nothing the Yankees will miss. Amazing.

2. Now, that said, it’s pretty obvious they still need some pitching. At the very least an innings eater just to, well, eat innings. Someone who can spare the bullpen that extra inning or two every fifth day. The Yankees in position to take on salary in an August waiver trade and I think they will at some point. Cliff Lee re-injured his elbow last night and that makes him a non-option — not just for the remainder of this year either, if he doesn’t pitch at all the rest of this season I don’t see how they could go after him in the winter with all that money left on his contract — but other August trade candidates are John Danks, Scott Feldman, Kevin Correia, Bartolo Colon, Chris Young, Colby Lewis, A.J. Burnett, and James Shields. (How fantastic would a Shields rental be?) I’m not saying the Yankees should go after those guys specifically, just that there should be some pitching options this month, especially as more and more clubs fall out of the race. Win or lose, postseason or no postseason, they need some arms to avoid running their valuable pitchers into the ground.

3. Here’s the upcoming free agent class. There are very few position players listed there I prefer over Prado at his fair value contract and that’s not something to be overlooked. The Yankees got out ahead of the market by extending Brett Gardner before he hit free agency — how amazing does that deal look right now? — and trading for Prado saves them from bending over to sign some meh free agent to plug a hole over the winter, whether it be an outfielder or an infielder or whatever. Free agency is not what it once was, the solution to every problem is not out there in the form of an above-average player every offseason because teams are signing all of their best players to multi-year extension. Trading for those guys is now the way to acquire talent. Prado isn’t a sexy name and frankly I don’t think he’s anything more than a league average player, but league average is valuable and it’s one less thing to worry about this winter.

4. Drew is obviously auditioning to replace Derek Jeter next season. You realize that, right? I know he’ll be playing second base these next two months, but the Yankees and everyone else knows he can play shortstop without a problem. They get to see how he handles New York, how he fits in the clubhouse, how well he can take advantage of Yankee Stadium’s short right field porch, stuff like that. That’s not nothing. Sometimes a player just isn’t a good fit (see: Carl Crawford and the Red Sox) and usually you don’t find that out until after he’s signed. The same applies to Headley, really. The Yankees will get to know him these next few weeks and see firsthand how well he fits the team. If they like what they see, they could look to sign him during the exclusive negotiating period and avoid a bidding war on the open market.

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5. When Spring Training opened, the candidates for the non-shortstop and non-first base infield positions were Johnson, Solarte, Brian Roberts, Eduardo Nunez, Scott Sizemore, and Dean Anna. Every single one of them is gone. Johnson (trade), Sizemore (release), and Roberts (designated for assignment) were all jettisoned yesterday, Solarte (trade) was moved a few weeks ago, Nunez (trade) was moved back in April, and Anna (waived) was dropped from the roster last month. Pretty amazing that none of them survived the season and Solarte managed to be the best of that bunch. If nothing else, Headley and Drew will be big upgrades defensively — I’m pretty confident Drew will out-defend Roberts on pure athleticism even though he’s never played second as a pro — over that Island of Misfit Infielders. Headley’s already helped with the bat and Drew might. With Roberts gone and Ichiro Suzuki glued to the bench, the Yankees have a bonafide starting caliber Major League player at every position for the first time since 2012. It really is the little things in life that make you happiest.

6. This is a minor point but one worth mentioning: the DePaula and O’Brien trades did help clear up some organizational logjams. I’m pretty sure DePaula will be Rule 5 Draft eligible this winter, so that saves the Yankees a 40-man roster spot. He would have been a borderline protect/expose candidate like Jose Campos this winter, and, as they’ve shown the last few years, the Yankees almost always protect those borderline guys and it limits roster flexibility. Trading DePaula helps that situation. Moving O’Brien also ends the daily lineup/position juggling at Double-A Trenton. Gary Sanchez can catch everyday, Tyler Austin can play first base everyday, and the trio of Mason Williams, Jake Cave, and Ben Gamel can play the outfield everyday. Plus the DH spot stays open. Thunder manager Tony Franklin had to wedge O’Brien into the lineup somewhere these last few weeks, but that’s not an issue anymore.

7. I think you can make a very strong argument the three best (healthy) starting pitchers in the AL East were traded yesterday as Jon Lester (Athletics), David Price (Tigers), and John Lackey (Cardinals) were shipped to other divisions. That’s pretty remarkable. Four of New York’s five Opening Day rotation starters are on the disabled list while the Red Sox traded four-fifths of their Opening Day rotation (Lester, Lackey, Jake Peavy, Felix Doubront) in the last week or so. I don’t really know where I’m going with this, I just thought it was interesting. Two years ago this division housed top notch pitchers in Lester, Price, Shields, CC Sabathia, and Hiroki Kuroda. Now the best healthy pitcher in the division is … Alex Cobb? Chris Archer? Mark Buehrle? Marcus Stroman? Yeesh.

8. I really like Drew Smyly — I even wrote a post about the Yankees potentially trading for him back in the day — but man, that is an underwhelming return for Price. Friend of RAB and Rays fans Tommy Rancel is one of the smartest baseball dudes I know and even he agrees the return was light. Smyly’s good and Franklin should have some sort of MLB career, but that’s it. That Willy Adames kid is an 18-year-old project in Single-A. Where’s the young stud big leaguer or elite prospect? That trade was made to fill needs and not acquire the most talent possible, and acquiring the most talent is what I think you have to do when trading someone of Price’s caliber.

9. The Red Sox did fine in their trades assuming Allen Craig hasn’t permanently forgotten how to hit. I’m interested to see what happens with Yoenis Cespedes next year. They don’t get the standard six years of team control over him — his contract stipulates that he has to be non-tendered after his fourth year, and because he has to be non-tendered, they can’t make him a qualifying offer and recoup a draft pick. Will they really let him walk after next season for nothing? Or will they re-sign him into his 30s, something they’ve been hesitant to do with other players and refused to do with their homegrown ace? If not, will they be looking to trade him at the deadline next summer? That’ll be fascinating.

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  • John C

    One guy to watch this winter is Cuban defector Yasmani Tomas. I would expect the Yanks to be heavily in the mix as he has ridiculous power. Could be another Cespedes. He would be the right fielder if signed. Prado would battle Refsnyder for 2nd base job.

    • Dan A.

      Don’t forget that Prado still could play Third next year. If/when A-Rod comes back, given his injury history and the fact that he’ll have missed all but a third of the last 2 years, I wouldn’t feel comfortable penciling him in for more than 80 games at third base. Having a legit backup third baseman is necessary.

      Prado could play in 140+ games even with Refsnyder on the roster by splitting time at third, and backing up LF/RF, 2B, and 1B and playing some DH. I love this guy’s versatility.

      • Djan

        What about bringing Headley back? Great defender, is hitting well since trade, mvp caliber two years ago…

        • D$1184

          I’d be largely in favor especially considering there would be no draft pick forfeit for signing him.

        • Dick M

          I like Headley. We should bring him back. But will there be any money left and what to do about A-Rod?

          • Djan

            Idk man… just don’t think fair lose a player like Headley because of this idiot… but that’s a Yankee problem… really hope the can manège this well!

  • Mike HC

    A record number of thoughts for Mike this morning!

  • TWTR

    I don’t love Prado being on the payroll for 2 more years at $11m per if they aren’t going to take the payroll toward $250m. He doesn’t have enough power to play the OF alongside Gardner and Ellsbury, and he doesn’t have enough power to play 3B on a team that lacks power. It seems like a strange allocation of what are probably not unlimited resources.

    • Mike HC

      It is a new era of baseball. You can’t dismiss every player without plus power just because they don’t play an up the middle position. A career .788 OPS power hitter was just traded for Jon Lester. It is not easy to get these guys. Plus, Prado can also play second. Injuries happen, crap performance happens, it is very nice to have flexibility.

      • radnom

        For two months of Lester.

        Agreed its nice to have him, but the Yankees probably wouldn’t give him 2/22 this offseason if he were a FA.

        • Mike HC

          2 months of an ace is a very valuable piece to move.

          And I wouldn’t be so sure about that second paragraph. 2/22 seems very fair for Prado. Similar players will almost surely cost more in years.

          • The Great Gonzo

            Look at what Infante got, as a similar hitter with nowhere near the defensive flexibility 4/31… I’d pay 2/22 for Prado.

        • Dick M

          Well AZ got off the contract which should probably tell you something.

          The payroll flexibility issue is a real one and why we end up with the Kelly Johnsons of the world. As they say, if you wanna get out of the hole, you gotta stop digging.

          • hogsmog

            Prado doesn’t hurt the roster that way at all though. I agree that roster flexibility has been a problem, and am very very wary of signing anybody through age 35+ to big contracts. But Prado is only around for two more years, is getting a reasonable paycheck, can play a ton of positions (well), and isn’t old or has an injury history. I don’t see why people point to Prado as an example of the Yankees ‘mortgaging the future’.

        • OldYanksFan

          Well, FanGraphs puts the cost of 1 War at $6-6.5m, so if you buy that, then getting 2 War from Prado makes him a fine deal.

          • Dick M

            How much WAR do you get for blocking Refsnyder?

            • Kelly

              Isn’t there a chance Refsnyder’s ceiling is Martin Prado? I don’t say that to criticize Refsnyder.

              Prado plays 2B, 3B, and OF well. I assume Refsnyder will be given every chance to play next year, in which case Prado can play somewhere else. If Refsnyder isn’t ready next year, Prado is a nice option.

    • SweetSpot

      You don’t know what Prado will do power-wise. Did you think Gardner would have 14 home runs to Cano’s 7 on August 1st?

      • JLC 776

        Holy crap that stat… Pretty damn remarkable.

        • ChuckIt

          Cano? Cano who ?

          • Deep Thoughts

            (sniffle) Too soon!

    • Pkyankfan69

      Considering the Yankees have a lot of uncertainty moving forward I think he has a lot of value. If Arod doesn’t come back and we can’t sign a good 3B he can plug there, if Refsnyder isn’t ready for 2B he can plug there, if Beltran can’t play RF (or just needs days off going forward) he can plug in there, and if Ellsbury or Gardner gets hurt you can stick him in LF… Being able to provide a solid bat at all of those potential positions of need is pretty valuable to this team. Gives the Yanks a lot of flexibility going forward.

      • The Great Gonzo

        Also, you can slap a 1B mitt on him when Tex goes on the inevitable DL stint or 2

    • Steve (different one)

      Here’s the way I see it:

      The Yankees needed 3 IFers this winter, and now they need 2.

      Prado, unless he completely craters, at $11M is also tradable. Even if the yanks needed to make him an $8M player for someone, that’s couch cushion money for the yanks.

    • The Great Gonzo

      One could argue, however, that he is an below average power RF this season, and come next season becomes a very good hitting 2B or a decent hitting 3B, depending on how things shake out.

      The beauty about this Prado deal is that they finally got the guy they’ve been trying to get for years with the Betemits/Nunezes/Solartes/Kelly Johnsons of the world: A guy who can hit some and play multiple positions fair to well… And OK, you pay a premium for that guy in money. But remember two things:

      1. When you want a new car, or new sneakers, or a new TV, and its THE ONE YOU’VE BEEN LOOKING FOR, sometimes you have to pay a premium for it. Or you can go down to Big Lots and buy the knock off version for .65 on the dollar…

      2. It’s not your money, and they’re not getting under $189m for another 7 years, so fuck it. Enjoy the ride.

      • Deep Thoughts

        Thank you. I get the celery cap luxury tax arbitrary cutoff but I don’t get “value shopper” fans whose only objection to acquiring good players is that they’re too expensive. For me, yes. For the Yankees? Please.

      • Dick M

        Not really feelin the ride.

        • The Great Gonzo

          You should probably hop off at the intersection of Houston Astros Blvd. They don’t spend much over there, should be more your speed.

          • Dick M

            So it’s all about spending. You do know that Hal has a budget right? And that the more that is wasted leaves less for filling all the holes.

            I’ve been on the bus for a long time. Won’t be getting off. Could use a new driver.

    • Bret The Hitman

      He has plenty of power for a middle infielder though and 2B is his best position.

    • Folly of the predetermined outcome

      I agree! I don’t see a difference between a possibly declining Prado and Jose Pirela… oh except 11 million dollars.

      • Steve (different one)

        Just because you don’t see a difference does not mean there isn’t one.

        Here’s one: Pirela is not a major league 2Bman.

        Seems like a big difference, no?

      • Angelo

        Why and how do you believe Pirela is an MLB starter that can play multiple positions well? Are you brain dead?

        A scout recently said that he’s a useful utility player, not great, but useful that can do some things off the bench. Probably an up and down guy with below average defense.

        Prado is a lot more than that.

        • Folly of the predetermined outcome

          Right… He’s a soon to be 31 year old with 5 homers in 436 at bats manning a corner outfield spot, with a 89 wRC+ making 11 million bucks and I’m brain dead. Wow!

      • Deep Thoughts

        One is a 30-year-old with 20 bWAR in 8.5 MLB seasons, and the other is a 24-year-old with fewer than 500 AAA plate appearances. It’s not difficult to understand.

    • RetroRob

      He’s actually reasonably priced in today’s market. While his 5.5 WAR season a couple years back is the absolute high end of his ability and probably a fluke, he’s good for 2.5-3.0 WAR and that’s worth quite a bit more than $11 MM.

      As one baseball analyst said, if the prices of today’s contracts offend you, then adjust your expectations. That’s the new norm and it keeps going up.

      He’s a solid addition.

  • D$1184

    I wonder about pieces that could still be moved through the month of August. I wonder about Alex Rios, specifically. I don’t think the Rangers are just going to let him go because there’s very little guaranteed money left on his deal but if the Yankees remain in 3rd place, there’s very teams that would get a chance at claiming him before the Yankees. Then you can have a straight Drew/Prado split at second and Prado can also spell Teix at first on the days he needs off and such.

  • radnom


    I feel too many people view the trade deadline as binary these days, that teams should either buy or sell with nothing in between. That’s not reality though. There is always a middle ground and that’s the way the Yankees went.

    Sorry, but this is nonsense. They Yankees bought, they just didn’t spend much. Everyone understands the distinction between what they did and going all in.

    Don’t confuse legitimate criticism of this approach with your strawman.

    • Mike HC

      Gotta agree that they most certainly bought. Not a middle ground at all.

    • JLC 776

      I agree with Mike – you can try to say the Yankees were ‘buyers’ but if you think they were making the kind of traditional moves to put them into a position to win immediately, than I think you’re mistaken. The Yanks made some incremental upgrades without sacrificing anything – there was no single marquee move that was going to put them on the fast track for contention, nor were there any available trades that would greatly help them next year.

      Criticism is fine if you disagree with the moves, but I think it’s foolish to try to classify them as ‘buyers’.

      • Mike HC

        How can you classify them as anything else? Cashman said they were in on all the big names and it wasn’t happening, and they bought 3 rentals, and another older, expensive-ish player. They also didn’t give up “nothing.” They gave up small/fringe to mid level prospects.

        • IRememberCelerinoSanchez

          To me, a buyer at the deadline implies giving up the future for the present. Addison Russell for Smarzigida. The Yanks really didn’t give up anything they thought would help in the future. I don’t think they were buyers as that term has been used in the last X number of years.

          • Mike HC

            I mean, we are arguing over the definition of words here. We are all on the same page of how the Yanks operate, so who cares what you want to call it really.

          • JLC 776

            It probably is semantics (as Mike says), but I agree with you – to me ‘buyers’ means making a move to win now that sacrifices something for the future. That’s traditionally what a deadline buyer looks like and I just don’t think that’s what the Yankees looked like yesterday.

            Sure, the org will say we are making moves to compete, but what they were really doing was making moves to improve without sacrificing a longer-term vision.

      • Dick M

        This whole incremental upgrade stuff isn’t really something we should be doing cartwheels over. How hard is it to upgrade on Ichiro, or Roberts, or Johnson, or Nuno/Whitely? Particularly when we are mostly in the rental market and we are taking on salaries from teams who have packed it in?

        The real issue is why are we in such a state. And where are we going long term?

        • OldYanksFan

          It’s not hard to get better players than those guys, but it is hard to do it without costing much. It my eyes, Cashman made 4 deals, and ‘won’ on all of them.

          The Lester deal was a fairly even swap.
          I’d say the Rays lost on Price.
          Furthermore, all 4 of our buys were on guys having down years. They could/might be much better than what we think we got. It wasn’t long ago that Headley, Drew and Prado were considered well above average players at their positions.

          • Dick M

            I think you missed the bit about taking on rentals/salaries from teams that have packed it in.

            • Deep Thoughts

              So what? See previous conversation about the money not coming out of your pocket. It’s not like they took on another A-Rod/Pujols/Fielder contract.

              • Dick M

                I think you missed the bits about the real issue and where are we going long term.

    • Steve (different one)

      I get what you are saying, the yanks clearly “bought”, but they didn’t go “all in” like the A’s and Tigers did.

      If Scherzer walks and Verlander doesn’t bounce back, the Tigers window may be shorter than you might think. Although I guess there is no reason they can’t extend Price with the money they offered Scherzer.

      Also, I am amused by the fact that the despite reading for years how stupid Cashman is for trading AJax, that now the consensus is that Detroit gave up “nothing”. Yes, I understand the years of control, but again, there is no reason Detroit couldn’t extend Jackson….

  • blake

    I really think Cash did a nice job….I’m not sure what else he could have done. I sounds like he tried for Price but the Rays just weren’t going to do that.

    I think fans are going to like Prado a lot….he can play several spots and he’s a better hitter than he showed in Arizona IMO….but even if we get that guy he’s killed LHP this year and that alone will help a good bit. I’d play him at 2B vs LHP the rest of the season and in RF vs RHP…..he gives them a lot of flexibility going forward.

    The lineup is better….the infield D is A LOT better than a month ago…..we just have to see what happens with the rotation. I think a lot rides on Tanaka…..they might can grab a WC without him…..but they aren’t going far without somebody to match up with the front of Detroits and the A’s rotations…..so we have to cross fingers there.

    • TheEvilUmpire

      Prado is this generation’s Randy Velarde. I loved Randy Velarde as a kid… play him anywhere and he could do a little of everything… plus he looked like the guy on the mlb logo…

    • MG

      I agree with blake, the infield is much, much more solid than it has been all season and they need Tanaka back to have a shot at the postseason.

      We’ll have to see how it plays out but this team is much more like the 1996 Yankees than the 2009 team-that doesn’t mean they will go anywhere but they not have lots of interchangeable parts and need Girardi to start plugging people into the right spots to make things happen.

      I’m not a big Girardi fan because he doesn’t seem to have much creativity or feel about what to do (it’s always the binder) but I hope he can morph some Casey Stengel here and get some of these guys going. If not they will all be getting early tee times in October and it will be time for me to focus on the the football Giants, Rangers, and eventually the Knicks.

      • blake

        I think this is the best top to bottom lineup they have had in awhile….maybe since 2011. If several of these guys get hot they could really score some runs down the stretch…..

        If really really sucks that Tanaka got hurt….if you comes back then they at least have a punchers chance.

      • JoeWar

        “Not a big Girardi fan”… Are you serious…take a look at the teams he’s had to run out on the field for the last 2 years! Also, any team that loses 4/5s of there rotation would not be anywhere close to the WC.

        • waneditor

          +1

  • Y’s Guy

    i don’t see the Royals (4 games out of first today) asking waivers on Shields, or other contending teams letting him pass through waivers.

    • The Great Gonzo

      Yes, Shields and almost everyone else on almost every other roster will go on waivers.

      And the Yankees are in a favorable position here, as they are in the lower half of the teams in a position to compete. Lower than Detroit, BAL, Oakland, and ahead of PIT, STL, LAD & SF based on the league rule.

      Shields hits the waivers, you claim that motherfucker. Worry about the pieces going back later.

  • A reader

    Re: #8, I sincerely don’t understand the Rays’ thought process. How did two years of Shields (and Wade Davis) net them Wil Myers/Jake Odorizzi but one year of Price degrade the return down to Smyly/Franklin?

    Let me be clear: I’m not saying the Yankees could’ve or should’ve been involved…but what about all those other teams in the NL or AL Central/AL West? How could they let Price slip under their noses for such a pittance? Weren’t we hearing Jurickson Profar/Taijuan Walker rumors for Price in February/March?

    • Steve (different one)

      The Shields trade was simply a bad trade by KC.

      We can’t let that become a baseline for other trades.

      Just like Mike always references Zach Wheeler for Beltran. That was just a bad trade, it’s not a good reference point.

      • A reader

        Certainly a fair point. I guess I’m surprised that this is all the Rays (thought they) could get back for one more year of control on Price. As I mentioned, I am surprised that no other team out there could top Smyly/Franklin.

        • Steve (different one)

          Agreed.

          To me, both the Sox and Rays believe they can compete next year, so they put a premium on “readiness” over getting the most perceived value.

          I can also picture Nick Franklin killing the Yanks for the next 5 years like Zobrist….

          • Deep Thoughts

            Well, maybe for the last 3 or 4 years of team control. Based on the PAs I saw this year with Seattle, not so much anytime soon.

    • blake

      The Shields trade made sense IF the Royals were ready to win and were willing to do what it took to win…..they haven’t been so it was a total waste…..the Royals always dip their toe in….they never want to really go for it which is why they haven’t made the playoffs in more years than any other team.

  • http://www.twitter.com/_swarlesbarkley Mark Teixeira – Ghostbuster (formerly Drew) RIP Egon

    I don’t want to be that guy but….

    The Yankee equivalent to what the Tigers gave up for David Price is a healthy Ivan Nova and Brett Gardner? or is that an overpay? I am still really shocked by this trade.

    • anon_coward

      Price goes FA at the end of this year or next, forgot which one
      that’s how the trades work. selling team with no chance to go to post season gives up a guy they will only control for the rest of the season or next season in exchange for a prospect who may or may not turn out good but he will be under team control for a lot longer and a way for a losing team to rebuild

      Gardner just signed an extension so there was no reason for the yankees to trade him. Yankee equivelant would be trading Jeter or Kuroda

      • http://www.twitter.com/_swarlesbarkley Mark Teixeira – Ghostbuster (formerly Drew) RIP Egon

        I am not saying the Yankees should have traded him, I am asking what the equivalent package would have been for Price. I think Gardner is better than Jackson and a healthy Ivan Nova is worse than Smiley so it evens out even though Gardner would have went to Seattle so Seattle probably would have had to given up more than what they did but I am speaking in “what ifs” Please fully read the comment next time. You will have a better experience.

        • anon_coward

          you’re not understanding it. Yanks wouldn’t trade gardner because they want him for the rest of the extension they just signed him to. if they wanted Price they would have to give up a good rookie or a prospect the Rays would control for a few more years before free agency comes into the picture.

          someone like solarte. or whoever the Yanks gave up for Soriano last year. or someone in AAA who the selling team likes and wants to take a chance on like the Mets with D’Arnoud or when they traded Byrd to the Pirates last year for a few prospects. Byrd was on a 1 year contract and after Wright was injured last year along with Harvey their chances for a decent season fell apart so they traded their best hitter to the pirates who were shooting at the post season.

          the idea for the trade is for the selling team to rebuild with new talent they will control for a few more years in exchange for a guy who is about to leave anyway. Like the Red Sox are doing now.

          • http://www.twitter.com/_swarlesbarkley Mark Teixeira – Ghostbuster (formerly Drew) RIP Egon

            No sir, I believe you are the one that is misunderstanding. I not saying if the Yankees should trade Gardner, or would the Yankees trade Gardner. I simply said “What would be the equivalent package for the Yankees”. Yes the Yankees would never trade Gardner since they singed him to the extension but he fits the Austin Jackson mold in the trade. You can make the argument that Gardner is better than Jackson (I definitely would) and that would make the Mariners give up more in the trade which might change the dynamic of the whole deal but that is aside from the point.

    • The Great Gonzo

      I don’t think Franklin = Gardner though… That is more like Nova and…. what David Adams was SUPPOSED to be? Young cheap plus offensive guy with some (not a lot) of power and not a wizard defensively, but won’t kill you out there either.

      • TheEvilUmpire

        Tigers sent Austin Jackson to the Mariners though… I could see Gardner kind of matching up there…

        • anon_coward

          jackson doesn’t go FA until 2016. Gardner just signed an extension for 4-5 years or whatever it is. the yanks want him. if he hadn’t signed the extension the yanks would have traded him.

        • The Great Gonzo

          Riiiiiight… shoulda re-read the question.

  • JoeyA

    Mike,
    Did they move Austin to 1B permanently?

  • JLC 776

    I’m as pessimistic about this year as anyone, but I’m very happy with how this deadline went. The Yankees have now shown for two years that they are not going to jettison every bit of farm potential for veteran rentals to take a shot at the post-season one more time. While the front office has to keep the ‘contend every year’ rhetoric going for business reasons, the refreshing fact is that they do seem to realize the situation.

    – The international draft fully restocked the lower levels of our system and that coup was planned months in advance (going back to 2013).

    – They are almost exclusively trading MLB players that showed low potential in the bigs or fringe farm hands that were only developing one or two useful tools.

    – They’ve avoided marquee, has-been 2-month rental talent – let’s face it, the Yankees of last decade would have been all over someone like Cliff Lee (just to watch him injure himself in his first start).

    This team is treading water for this year and probably the next couple – but at least they seem to have a strategy and they seem to be sticking to it.

    • BigDavey88

      All of this. Nice summary.

    • teixiera please retire

      I would agree except that they bough Mccann and Ellsbury which added more future debt (I was looking forward to getting Arod, Teixeira, and Sabathia off the payroll). It would be nice to rebuild with prospects and acquisitions without having the burden of unproductive, high paid players

  • Bill

    Drew auditioning to replace Derek Jeter next season I agree he may be auditioning but I can not say “replace Jeter” because that is impossible. In December last year if you told me the Yankees would have Drew and Headley (and Prado too) and gave up next to nothing – not even the draft pick compensation attached to Drew at the time I would have been ecstatic! Personally, I like Hanley Ramirez as the guy they get to play SS next year for the Yankees – although I really want Tulowitzski. I didn’t like giving up Pete O’Brien when I first heard about the trade – I was hoping they’d bring him up and let him get some MLB at bats with the hot HR streak he’s been on all year but looking at his age, lack of defense and his .245 batting average in AA he’s at best another Shelly Duncan or Mark Reynolds. Great points about Free Agents not being available because other teams are locking them up when they’re younger to long term deals… also consider the disappearance (or almost dissapearance) of PEDs which makes it even HARDER to get Free Agents in their PRIME years as they’re not staying effective into their mid to late 30’s any more.

    • blake

      I’m going to pretend Tulo will be the 2015 SS until my hopes are completely dashed.

      • I’m One

        I like the thought of Tulo, but I’m not sure any of us would like the reality of the injuries. So I’ll pretend right along with you.

        I like the idea of auditioning Drew, but I would absolutely like them to consider Hardy instead. He could be the more cost effective choice.

        • blake

          I like Hardy ok but his sudden power outage is strange (4 homers)…maybe it’s a fluke but his power is a really big part of his value and I’m not sure how much I’d gamble that it’s coming back at age 31.

  • Bill

    I agree with you… the Yankees bought. the Mets and the Phillies are the ones who did nothing. Mr. Miyagi would say “squish just like grape”

  • SweetSpot

    This prospect hugging thing is fraught with peril. Sure, young, cost-controlled players are a good thing but making it in the show is a real crap shoot. I think you have to move some of those that have value if you can get a decent return. The odds of ending up with a Nunez rather than a Gardner are pretty good for most of these guys. Bats are not gong to see big-league splitters, two-seamers and hurlers that can paint the black in the minors. The key is having the baseball ops people make the right call, to the extent that they can. Good cheese eventually gets moldy and then you can’t eat it at all.

  • Bronx-Boy

    This all feels like an upgrade, not a revolution, but a solidification, a pro team on the field, which is a relief after the first half of way too spotty defense and plug and play managing. Let’s see what these guys can do. if they all bear down and focus they can do some damage.

  • Nick

    I know this is futile, but playing the “what if” game….what would a comparable deal between the Yankees and Rays look like for Price? Would they have had to overpay a la Gardner?

    • Chip

      Well they probably don’t even want Gardner due to his contract. Remember, the reason they even consider trading Price is they can’t afford him and while Gardner is very valuable, he’s now pricey too

    • blake

      I think the above poster was pretty close in a healthy Nova and Gardner….Smyley is beter than Nova but Gardner is better than Jackson. Of course the actual trade was a 3 way and the Rays won’t deal with the Yankees anyway.

    • Steve (different one)

      I think it’s time to recognize that Gardner is a star on a bargain contract…

      • blake

        he’s their best player right? If not he’s their best player per dollar for sure.

      • OldYanksFan

        No no no no no!
        Go back to the threads in 2008.
        The debate was whether Brett could be a 4th OFer, or if he was just an AAAA player.

        And certainly… he didn’t compare to Melky.

  • Pkyankfan69

    So against Ranaudo (a RHP) tonight’s line up is:

    Gardner – LF
    Jeter – SS
    Ellsbury – CF
    Tex – 1B (unless of course he’s got a hangnail or something)
    Beltran -DH
    McCann – C
    Headley -3B
    Prado – RF
    Drew -2B

    • LarryM Fl

      This is solid lineup with a bunch of players who play 9 innings.

      IMHO Cashman did a good job improving the starting lineup at little cost to the future.

  • Chip

    My only guess is that the Rays LOVE Nick Franklin

    • blake

      they got a pretty good pitcher who is young and controllable and they got a middle infielder for 1 year and 2 months of price…..I think it was a light return but I also think you have to consider that they did get 2 controllable players with upside that can go right onto their big league club. I don’t think they wanted to mess around with maybes on prospects. It seems light but the Rays are pretty smart at stuff like this……

    • Y’s Guy

      the rays LOVE zobrist and he’s going to be an FA this offseason, to they see Franklin’s as his replacemnt. Smyly is young and its only his second year starting, obviously they think he’s going to get alot better. I think they trust their scouts and think there’s more to those two than meets the eye, time will tell.

      I agree that it doesnt look like they got much but they did fill holes that they won’t have the money to fill as well in the offseason.

      • ChipS56

        Zobrist has a team option for next year at $7.5 million

    • nycsportzfan

      First thing I posted after the trade was how weak the return for the Rays was. On top of that, there farm system is under performing as a whole, so they really needed a big coup for Price. Honestly, I see the bottom coming again for the Rays.

  • viridiana

    Excellent points, all, by Mike. I also think Cash did more than could be hoped for under circumstances. I like Prado as option all over the field beyond this yr. And I like concept of getting Drew in-house, seeing if he fits. So I think these moves were great for next year and beyond.
    One concern: Yanks get two decent players and immediately move them to positions they’ve never played. I’m not so sure that will work. Not so sure Drew won’t blow some plays in transition. Still and all, good moves. Yanks a bit better now — and hopefully a bit less desperate next off-season

    • Y’s Guy

      Drew would have to blow a TON of plays to be as bad as Roberts was.

    • Chip

      Did you see the plays Ryan made over there? Shortstop is just like second base but the throw is longer so I’m sure he’s fine

  • CashmanNinja

    I absolutely love what the Yankees did yesterday. It sucks that they couldn’t get pitching, but everyone knew that it wasn’t going to be available unless you overpaid (unless you’re the Tigers). I’m surprised that other teams didn’t jump in and offer more than the Tigers, but oh well. I’m not mad that the Yankees didn’t get him because the price tag would have been way too much when you add in the fact that they’re in the same division.

    I don’t get the hate for Prado. I understand he’s not going to hit 20-30 HR, but the guy is a very solid player. This past offseason a ton of guys wanted Omar Infante…Prado is a better overall fit for this team. The guy is a career .290 hitter and is just a few years removed from a 5.5 WAR season! He may not have the best defense, but it’s good enough. He’s just a solid player. The Royals gave Omar Infante 4 years/$30 million. It’s not like the Yankees got a guy who was grossly overpaid. He’s getting around what he’d get on the market, granted it’s a little more per year, but not as long of a commitment.

    The Drew trade was a steal IMHO. The Yankees weren’t really utilizing Kelley Johnson at all. Drew has been pretty dreadful this year, but this is a simple trade to get an early glimpse of him for next year. I’m fine with that. Hell…ANYONE is an upgrade over Roberts at this point so that’s fine by me.

  • http://Riveraveblues Austinmac

    An overlooked comment by Cashman yesterday was him saying both Drew and Headley were being looked at for next year. I think they realize AROD is an utter crapshoot. I hope they both do well and can be retained at a reasonable price.

    • n0exit

      I think arod stays of he hits, otherwise they let him go.

      • Chip

        Comeback Play of the Year baby!

    • Bret The Hitman

      I’m buying the Headley audition. Headley is being oversold here. AROD is turning 40 and by next ST will not have seen live pitching for over one year. His health is a bigger question than his diminished skill both hitting and definitely on defense.

      Prado makes the most sense at 2B where he becomes a middle infielder with line drive power. Those are rare.

      I’m curious to see what the Yankees do on the trade front and what kinds of offers come through for guys like Refsnyder and JR Murphy.

    • OldYanksFan

      I think with some work, ARod would make a FINE BU-1Bman.
      He is losing his range at 3rd, but he is still a good athlete in fine physical condition.

      As a BU-3Bman, BU-1Bman and DH, if he can still hit, he may still be a good value for this team.

  • ChipS56

    Ken Davidoff in this morning’s Post called the deals “desperate” I couldn’t disagree more. Desperate would be paying highway robbery prices for marginal upgrades (Marlon Byrd). These deals weren’t that. These were marginal upgrades for marginal pieces but they didn’t cost anything and there’s no doubt that the Yankees are a better positional team than they were when they broke camp. The rotation is worse due to the injuries, but if they get Tanaka back (which I doubt) and get Pineda back then you’re looking at: Tanaka, McCarthy, Phelps, Pineda, Kuroda – that’s not too shabby.

    Like I said yesterday, a big plus for the Yankees is that while Seattle improved, Toronto and Baltimore stood pat and still have glaring holes in their roster that they may not be able to fill between now and the 31st.

    I hope that Aaron Judge gets the call-up to replace O’Brien on the AA roster.

    • blake

      I think they are desperate to a degree but it’s hard to consider it that much when you essentially traded none of your top prospects or anybody off your big league roster…..

      They made 4 upgrades without hurting their future…..I think they acted appropriately. The only other appropriate action would have been to sell but that’s another argument and they just weren’t going to do that in Jeter’s final season.l

      • ChipS56

        I think they were desperate to improve the team to help Jeter have a meaningful September (October?) but the moves were not desperation moves. These were smart moves that had as much to do with building the 2015 Yankees as they did with getting the 2014 Yankees to the playoffs.

    • CashmanNinja

      Desperate? Far from it. Prado is a solid major league veteran and Drew could be our answer to short stop for the next few years. Who else did we have to plug into that hole when Jeter leaves? Brendan Ryan? Pft. As much as I like Ryan’s defense…he can’t hit. That means we’d have to grossly overpay for someone like J.J. Hardy, Asdrubal Cabrera, or Hanley Ramirez. I want NOTHING to do with Hanley because he’s going to want an insane amount of money, he’s getting older, and is always hurt. If they weren’t willing to pay for Cano’s declining years then there’s no way they do for Hanley. Cabrera seems to be falling off the map as well. I actually do like J.J. Hardy, but signing him would be like a lottery ticket in hopes that he re-discovers his stroke, similar to Cabrera. I’m happy gambling on Stephen Drew to at least be serviceable and better than Ryan. I’m not expecting All-Star numbers, but I’ll take a decent year in a heartbeat since we literally have nobody to plug in there.

      I also don’t get how people could hate the Prado trade. Is it because we traded O’Brien away? The dude had crazy power, but I recall another guy who had lots of power, but had trouble getting the bat on the ball because of his long swing: Shelley Duncan. Power is amazing, but it’s pretty useless if you can’t make contact and there’s a huge difference between AA and MLB, just like there’s a huge difference between high A and AA.

      • ChipS56

        I do like O’Brien and I’ve never been a huge Prado fan, but I’m warming to the deal for a few reasons.

        Prado could be an ideal #2 hitter for the Yankees next year
        Tyler Austin is hitting better and with power lately
        Development of The Judge

    • Y’s Guy

      davidoff is a jerk who just wants to provoke Yankee’s fans.

      • Scott

        You would be hard pressed to find an article by Davidoff that praises anything the Yanks have done.

        They could have traded Kelly Johnson for Price yesterday and Davidoff would have said something bad about the deal.

    • Dan A.

      I actually emailed Ken Davidoff to basically argue the same thing (best part of the Post is how easily accessible the writers are), and his response:

      I think we’re just using the word “desperate” differently, Dan. I think it reeks of desperation to throw two guys into brand new positions midseason. That’s all. Have a great night.

      Ken

      So there you go.

    • viridiana

      Overpaying for big name stars would have been desperate. These moves were closer to “inspired.” I rate O’Brien higher than many on this board — still, they keep even better young talent. Best move of all, though, might have been McCarthy for Nuno.

      • LarryM Fl

        McCarthy for Nuno was priceless.

        • The Great Gonzo

          Classic Ninja Cashman move.

  • ChipS56

    Also I totally agree with Mike – Headley, Drew, McCarthy – they’re all here not only to help this season but to audition for the future.

    As I’ve said, not sure that Headley can fit even if both he and the Yankees want to stay, but the other two certainly can have roles here.

    The Red Sox are really well positioned for next year.

    • AndrewYF

      Except for that whole thing where they don’t have a starting rotation and barely have a bullpen, sure. Remember the thing where free agency ain’t what it used to be? They’re going to have to massively overpay every single decent free agent pitcher they want, and unless they’re willing to depart from their strategy of never overypaying anyone, I don’t really see them landing any of the premiere guys. Their offense seems fine, although it’s not really any better than many other teams in the league, and has just as many (if not more) questions.

      Are people forgetting that the Red Sox will finish below .500 for the second time in 3 years? And that’s with a significantly weakened AL East. What makes you think they are suddenly well-positioned? Have they added 30 wins to their roster?

  • bardos

    Isn’t the footwork quite different at 2b than for ss in regard to the dp at least?

    • blake

      yes it’s quite different…..there will be a learning curve but in general if you can play SS you can play any infield position. I expect Drew will adjust ok….can’t be worse than Roberts was.

      • ChipS56

        Like we talked about yesterday – you got your boys. You’ve been wanting Prado and Drew for a year now. Next time you talk to Cash just say Brett Anderson.

      • mitch

        I think he’ll be fine. With all the shifting these days, most infielders are getting reps in positions they’re not used to

        • blake

          good point

    • LarryM Fl

      It can be learned real quick. Shortstops have excellent foot speed. The one hangup is the blind side approach of the runner. It takes some getting use to but Drew has played in WS so its no big deal. Also, he is wearing pinstripes, now!

  • Martin Preddard

    1. I think getting rid of Johnson and Roberts was a positive. Cashman basically admitted that he failed with those two.

    2. I wouldn’t do anything else. Not one more penny nor prospect should be dumped into this monstrosity.

    3. He can play 2nd if Alex plays 3rd. They won’t re-sign Chase unless Alex will primarily be a DH.

    4. No option in house. Drew is the future SS of the NYY.

    5. But it’s likely too little too late. They’ve gotten incremental upgrades but no difference maker to put them over the top. McCann and Beltran have yet to be that difference maker.

    7. I just don’t know what Tampa was thinking. They didn’t get much. They could have waited till the offseason and got just as good a deal. Plus they’re not too far back in the WC race.

    8. Yeah, I just don’t know what they were thinking. Boston I understand dumping their guys. That was smart to rebuild like they did before 2013.

    9. Sox did a magnificent job. They’ve signed dumb contracts over the years like the Yanks(Crawford,Gonzalez) but they dumped them all. Now they get good prospects for Lester who they might not re-sign anyway. Yanks should have done the same thing last year. The 2nd WC deludes some clubs into thinking they have a shot.

    • http://thewebsitemarketingagency.com Geno

      Agreed on #9. IMO, the Sox got more for Lackey than the Rays did for Price, which is nucking futs.

    • Scott

      It is easy to say the Yanks should have traded Cano last year, one year removed from the situation. At the time, the Yanks were in contention and it seemed like they were going to resign him after the season.

    • LarryM Fl

      7. The Rays can hardly afford to pay the electric bill with their attendance. It appears to be about the distant future and a salary dump Rays style.

      • I’m One

        To all of the above posters:

        You are being baited. Look at the handle carefully. Any post by someone with the name “eddard” embedded should be responded to carefully (although this post is far from his best stuff).

        I typically read these for the enjoyment factor and refrain from responding, even though some of them get me very riled up due to the nonsense he’s spewing.

        • I’m One

          Oh and BTW eddard, by no means does this mean that I want you to stop posting. Please continue. I enjoy the read,

  • bardos

    Re Prado: Due to the short benches all teams have in the 20teens version of MLB due to carrying 377 pitchers, versatile players might be the new Moneyball thing.

  • ChipS56

    And Jim Bowden is now claiming he was hacked…guy was a clown as a GM and is worse as an insider.

    • Pkyankfan69

      Deadspin has a really funny article about it

      http://deadspin.com/jim-bowden.....1614081824

      “We are convinced that Jim Bowden freaked out and physically flung his computer out the window.”

      • ChipS56

        hahaha – between Bowden and Stephen A, ESPN should consider having a class on how to use Twitter for their “talent”

    • blake

      yea right….just own it Jim

  • Y’s Guy

    its increadible to me that people keep thinking that AROD will be their 3B next year. Next year it will have been 5 years (and another hip surgery and almost 2 years of inactivity) since AROD last made 100 starts at 3B.

    Im not going to argue about the PEDs or whether they yankees will even let him back on the team, but counting on AROD to be the starting 3B next year is just nuts.

    • ChipS56

      First – glad to see you over here from the LoHud blog

      Second – I don’t think you have a choice. Unless Alex retires or the Yankees decide to just eat the money he’s gotta be on the roster. I suppose you could stick him on the bench but I don’t think that’s likely.

      If Prado’s in RF then Beltran’s the DH and that means Alex has to be at 3b. If Alex is the DH, then Beltran is in RF and Prado’s at 3b.

      That’s why I think it’s going to be difficult for the team to keep Headley. It would mean making Prado the 2b going forward and I think the Yankees now want Refsnyder there.

    • http://Riveraveblues Austinmac

      I agree. He will be two years and another surgery removed from being an average third baseman. All the workout it the world don’t fix his age or

      • ChipS56

        I agree – but you still have to account for him on the roster.

        • viridiana

          A-Rod will start year on roster. But he won’t last much longwer than Brian Roberts if he can’t cut it. Yanks know it’s dead money. No point in hamstringing team, unless they really think they can get insurance for A-Rod contract if they can prove him physically unable to plsy.

          • The Great Gonzo

            The longer we get into this suspension, the more I think the Yankees are going to do anything they can to move on from him.

            I cannot envision a situation where the Yankees and Rodriguez can coexist next season.

  • Bats

    “Only a handful of prospects changed hands. Seems like teams are finally starting to come around on the idea of prospects being overrated.”
    – Mike Axisa

    Huh? These were salary dumps for “prospects” who already are playing in the Major Leagues.

    The Yankees did the right thing by saving their prospects because I hope the Yankees can use all or most of them to acquire Giancarlo Stanton.

  • blake

    The lineup the Yanks post tonight should be the best one they have posted on paper in what 2 or 3 years?

    • ChipS56

      Something like that.

    • MG

      Certainly this year and last, I don’t know about any comparison to 2011 or 2010.

  • http://Riveraveblues Austinmac

    I don’t rule out Headley for next year. If he plays well, sign him. AROD, if he can play at all, can DH and learn how to play 1B to back up Mr. Fragility.

    If we signed Drew and Headley for next year, that fills two huge holes. Then, add a starter and possibly a right fielder, and we have a team.

    • ChipS56

      Mac –

      If Headley’s at 3b and Alex is the DH that means Beltran has to play RF – where’s Prado?

      Only place left for him is 2b and I think they want Refsnyder there.

      • mitch

        i don’t think you can look at it like that. The chances of all those guys staying healthy (and Refsnyder playing well enough to earn a spot) is basically zero. There’s enough room for all of them

      • Bret The Hitman

        Headley might be at 1B and Prado at 3B. I wouldn’t pencil in Tex for 162.

        If Beltran is injured Prado would be in RF, not Refsnyder. I wouldn’t pencil in Beltran for 162

        If Refsnyder can’t adjust to MLB, Prado is at 2B.

        The only logjam I see is perhaps DH where Alex and Beltran could collide. But that assumes Beltran can’t play RF.

      • Y’s Guy

        they’re not going in to next season planning on starting refsnyder as the 2B without him ever facing ML pitching.

        Arod has to be a DH and should learn to back up 1B and can still back up 3B if he comes back.

        Beltran’s going to have to play RF, and get some DH AB’s.

        when you figure that one of tex,beltran and arod are likelly to be out injured at any given time, it appears there will be room for everyone.

        • n0exit

          I’m not saying that refsnyder is likely to start, but I don’t think a lack if facing major leaguers is going to keep him out. If he goes full solarte then he’s in, that’s not likely but it is a non-zero possibility. They essentially went into this season with solarte starting third base having never faced ml pitching and he clearly has less talent that refs.

      • n0exit

        No I disagree, refsnyder has to go full solarte at st next year to have a chance, so in all likelihood Prado is at 2b anyway. Some sort of rotation between arod,Prado and Beltran could also happen depending on how Prado hits.

      • JAG

        I don’t think there’s any harm in letting Refsnyder earn his way onto the MLB team with Prado there in case he fails to do so in Spring Training. Prado can also backup RF, which Beltran will inevitably need. I can see ways to get Prado in there even if Refsnyder wins the spot.

      • http://Riveraveblues Austinmac

        I think Prado could serve in the Zobrist role. Somehow, someone always seems to be hurt.

        I do want Refs to get a fair shot. We’ll see.

  • Bret The Hitman

    The way I see it Cashman used the trade deadline for minor upgrades but also to audition players who profile as bargains in the upcoming free agent market.

    Without Prado, how much are you going to have to bid to win Zobrist?

    Without Headley, how much are you going to pay for Hanley Ramirez?

    Without Drew, how much are you going to pay for Asdrubal Cabrera?

    If you can save money at 3B, SS + 2B, you free up money to splurge on pitching. You might dip in and grab Lester + Shields now, considering you lost Nova for 2015 and possibly Tanaka.

    The Yankees have too many holes in 2015 and Cashman has begun to lay the groundwork now to patch up those holes.

    There are plenty of question marks surrounding Arod, Refsnyder and Beltran.

    • Y’s Guy

      didn’t nova have his TJS in April? why would he be out for 2015?

      harvey had his TJS last September and he’s already throwing.

  • ChipS56

    I feel like St. Louis gave up more for Lackey than Tampa Bay got for David Price.

    If you’re Mozeliak you have to be kicking yourself that you didn’t do the three team with Seattle and Tampa Bay and send Craig to Seattle, Kelly and a prospect to Tampa Bay and wind up with Price instead of Lackey.

    • Y’s Guy

      good call!

    • n0exit

      I think Seattle wanted a cf to replace Jones.

  • ChuckIt

    Petty good last day deals.Drew a defensive upgrade at 2nd.
    Prada offensive upgrade in RF.
    O’Brien is a good power prospect,but without a position he can play,decently, everyday his only value to the Yanks was at DH,which is filled,contractually,for more than the near future.And ANY return for Johnson is addition by subtraction. Over all,not world shaking deals,but no big losses,either.

  • BoS8

    Yureka! No more black holes in the lineup. McCarthy, Greene and Kuroda are breathing sighs of relief in the BP. IF D – what a novel concept. Selling baseball instead of the Jeets tour. Pencil me in.

    And what about that fourth OF? Heh heh.

    Fire Long, he hasn’t helped anyone except Cano, Granderson, Teix, McCan and Gardy. He’s a technician.

    • Bret The Hitman

      Cano was a great hitter before Long and he’s a great hitter without Long. His average is up and his lust for the HR is down. He’s a more complete hitter.

      Granderson? K machine

      Tex? Shift special

      McCann? Shift special.

      Gardner – roids.

      • BoS8

        With Long input;

        Cano developed power.
        Granderson was MVP candidate before he reverted.
        Have you looked at Teix’s LH swing lately?
        Ditto for McCan
        Gardner started incorporating his lower body last year.

        You don’t magically redo a swing, the most difficult athletic thing there is. Ahem “It’s a process”

        The clue was ‘Technician’.

        • Jimmy

          the most difficult athletic thing there is

          Try shooting a puck while skating at top speed.

          • HansDavenport

            Just aiming the rifle would be difficult.

          • Mr. Roth

            That isn’t all that hard. There’s plenty of aspects of hockey that are hard, but that definitely isn’t close to the top of the list.

      • Colombo

        Can you explain what “lust for the HR” is?

        • BoS8

          It’s a Brett carryover. He lusts after flesh, campers and sardines.

        • OldYanksFan

          I lust for chicks.
          Chicks did the log ball.
          Ergo… I lust for HRs.

          /sosimpleisn’tit?

      • Steve (different one)

        Cano’s change is certainly all about Kevin long and has nothing to do with his old ballpark vs his new one, right??

        And we’re now complaining about Cano’s production as a Yankee? Bizarre arguments all around.

        Sorry, I typed all of this before I read the part about Gardner and steroids. I wouldn’t have bothered.

        • HansDavenport

          Cano’s production as a Yankee? No complaints. Last season he either scored or drove in 25% of their runs. Even taking away the HR’s so they wouldn’t count twice.

      • HansDavenport

        I agree with you especially on Cano. Torre recognized Cano’s hitting ability his rookie year. said he’d likely win a batting title. Torre knew something about hitting. Wait. he won a batting title.
        Long loves to take credit for Cano. There wasn’t anything to fix.
        You’re right. Average up. OPS at his career average and likely higher then any Yankee regular. They’re pitching him away a lot and he’s using all fields, drawing walks, hitting doubles, driving in runs and even stolen 8 out of 10 bases.
        Right now he’d lead NY in RBI’s, average, OBP and OPS.

  • mike c

    how exactly has headley been an upgrade over solarte again? seems like that was a lateral move

    • mitch

      did you stop watching after the first month of the season?

    • Y’s Guy

      solarte was unplayable by the time they got rid of him.
      .164/.282/.213 in june with poor defense.

    • Mandy Stankiewicz

      Because “MLBProvenVet™”
      Also for what its worth/SSS, Chase’s fielding % since coming to NY has been perfect, where Solarte’s in SD’s been close but not perfect. If the move is a lateral one for a guy with similar numbers this year, take a sure thing with real years of defensive experience — something this team lacked April. I loved Solarte, and his cost controlled future in NY, but this team couldn’t loose another game to errors.

    • CashmanNinja

      Solarte was terrible after the first month or so…both offensively and defensively. He was so bad that he was getting benched. He’s doing well again in San Diego, but that doesn’t matter since he was doing nothing for us. Why keep/play someone who isn’t pulling their fair share? That’s why Brian Roberts is now gone. Solarte was great early on, but he imploded. Stop with the Solarte love fest…1 good month and he suddenly becomes one of the best 3rd basemen in the game?

  • Mandy Stankiewicz
    • BoS8

      Pat Gillick – arguably the greatest GM ever. Built three teams into powerhouses. And when he left, the teams began to spiral down.

  • Now Batting

    The price trade was all about leverage. All of MLB knew the Rays can’t afford his arb raise so had to move him no matter what.

    • blake

      it’s true….it’s a shame for those 15-20 folks that show up faithfully at the Trop. They need to move that team….

  • Paco Dooley

    I wish Cashman had the guts to do something like the Red Sox did – some creativity. He had Cano last year on a team that was pretty obviously not going anywhere by the trade deadline. He could have gotten a nice piece in return, and instead got a compensation pick that was then lost when they signed the FAs. They could have gotten a really nice piece back – perhaps like the Cespedes trade.

    The Cespedes trade also emphasizes Cashman’s (and the FO’s) major fail on the IFA market. The A’s got value out of a guy that they simply had to sign to a contract – no player development, drafting, etc.

    • CashmanNinja

      You criticized the Yankees’ failure with international free agents. Are you fucking kidding me? They just shelled out $30 million fucking dollars in that department and some of their best prospects and signings were guys from other countries! Go to your room.

    • BoS8

      You can’t do Guts and Glory on a bottom line.

  • http://Riveraveblues Austinmac

    I think the spruce move may be an indicator of some loss of belief Verlander is still a no. 1. He no longer reaches back to 98 when needed. It also confirms Scherzer will be gone.

    • blake

      Verlander is their #4 starter now and I’ve already heard some talk that they move him to the pen come playoff time.

      • MG

        I haven’t seen Verlander pitch this year but just looked his game log for 2014. He just isn’t the same pitcher, if he can’t adjust or regain some of his lost velocity (unlikely) think about how bad his contract will be at age 34 or 35 let alone the last year at age 39.

        • blake

          Very much like CC….once the velocity started to go they have both had a hard time living without it. Folks like to talk about all the time how velocity isn’t important…..it’s extremely important if you’re used to having it.

          • MG

            It just shows how wrong it is to give out long term deals to pitchers when they are getting paid guaranteed, huge $ to pitch into their late 30’s.

            The percentage of top flight pitchers who continued to be successful at those ages is really pretty small and some of it, like Clemens’, was probably PED-assisted.

            Back in the old days (’50s, ’60s, ’70s etc) most pitchers were done in their early 30s but they also started pitching more innings much younger.

            I don’t see all the modern metrics about pitch counts and innings limits as being very effective, in most cases all it does is keep someone from pitching at the highest possible level at an age where he can really excel.

            I have always thought that agents had lots to do with that, their first priority is to get the most money for a player in his career, why should a young pitcher want to pitch 250 innings a year before he is ready for at least arbitration?

      • Patrick L.

        I would actually contend that Verlander is the Tigers’ 5th best starter. Porcello has been better this year. Their rotation is nasty, if the Yankees don’t make it I would really enjoy seeing an A’s vs Tigers ALCS.

    • BoS8

      I like that Spruce move thingy. Dombrowsky aint no domby. Case in point – One fat 1B. Actually it’s shame about Verlander, loved to watch him pitch, unllike Scherzer.

      Sidenote Speaking of Scherzer

      Glavine and Maddox had interesting things to say about max effort pitching and injuries.

    • BoS8

      Glavine and Maddox comments were at the HOF induction, can’t find it now.

  • http://Riveraveblues Austinmac

    –Price–

  • The Other Mister D

    Hands down the best analysis of what the Yankees did that I’ve seen. Clearly those RAB dollars are well spent.

  • emac2

    My general random thoughts relate to the post and the forum of late.

    First I think the idea of a running discussion post that goes on forever and specific comment sections to comment on blog posts would make the comment section more manageable. Things have gotten too big to have a conversation about a blog post.

    Trade takes are

    1. Yankee prospects are finally being appreciated and getting a return.

    2. Depaula and O’brien are both better than consensus. We could really regret losing either or both in a big way. I do agree with the trades though and am happy we kept the best prospects.

    3. If Prado is league average what are the overbays, wells, roberts and johnsons?

    4. Drew is more insurance than test drive. I’m sure they hope for better though if he’s great he could be a nice bridge to whoever wins the battle of the A ball short stops.

    5. The roster was really played perfectly by Cash. You can’t expect anyone to overcome the starting pitching losses. I would have tried a few of the kids and passed on Thornton and maybe Beltran but almost every other decision was good since last year. Well done!

    6. I wouldn’t limit Austin to 1st base. I also think we’re going to see a wave of promotions next week.

  • Djan

    Am I the only one who sees Lester in pinstripes next year? Sux just have him to us without loosing a draft pick..

  • Cool Lester Smooth

    Funny that the key reason folks, including Axisa, are justifying this deadline for the Yankees is that they didn’t give up anyone significant, and will have a chance to audition some players for the rest of this season. If the best people can say is that the Yankees can effectively run another spring training right now, then that’s pretty telling. Yankees should have been sellers – without getting pitching help or meaningful offensive help, the season is very likely finished. The loss of Tanaka was the final blow. Apologists on RAB won’t change that fact. The two larger pieces they acquired will be playing positions they have never played in their entire careers! What a joke.

    Most of you people are overanalyzing and justifying things to yourself, without realizing that this team is in for a long sub-.500 finish.

    • mitch

      they had nobody to trade.

      • Y’s Guy

        This is not true, they had Betances and/or Robertson to trade and Gardner. I’m not saying they should have traded any of them, but I’m sure they got offers on all 3 of them and considered them all before rejecting them.

        We have no idea what trades were offered to the Yankees or what trades cashman offered that were rejected.

        Just because no trades were consummated does not mean they had nothing to trade or did not discuss people they didn’t trade.

        • MG

          How does selling the players that are probably playing better than anyone else on the team in exchange for unknown prospects help anything either short term or long term?

        • mitch

          Gardner and Betances obviously have value, but why would you trade them? They’re good players under good contracts. I know there are plenty of people on this board that claim to be okay with a long term rebuilding project, but that would be a ridiculous and unnecessary plan

          • blake

            it’s pretty difficult to get fair value for good players under good contracts….you can trade them for prospects but many times the prospects all bust and you’re left holding an empty bag with a frown on your face.

            The Yankees shouldn’t have to do this….it’s too risky and they can afford not to.

    • blake

      who are they going to sell? I think this is the point folks keep glossing over when discussing what they should do.

      The only real chip they could have sold is Robertson….nobody is taking their bad money deals and everyone else is either not good enough to warrant much return or they are key pieces going forward (Gardner, Betances, etc).

      They could have traded Robertson and maybe gotten a nice piece back….but he wasn’t bringing back anything game changing for the farm system.

      If their were mistakes made in planning they have been done in the past…..project 189 really decimated the lineup by forcing Cashman to do like 3-4 years of duct tape GMing rather than getting actual long term answers to problems.

      So we can sit around and critique that…but it’s a different topic and argument…..for what they had now and the position they are in at the moment I think they acted appropriately…..if they were going to sell then they should have done it last July when they actually had something to trade.

      • mitch

        exactly. Despite not having a great team, they’re right in the WC race. Are you really going to mail in the season for some decent double A prospect they could get for moving Robertson?

    • BoS8

      I really don’t care where the Yankees finish. You count your winnings after the dealing’s done. I want good baseball to watch during the season. If Pineda can come back in reasonable form, this team as it is now is probably the best it’s been since 2009.

      Big splashes create big waves. If you can’t get lunch get a sandwich.

      All that and a couple or three fine cliches. Damn, I’m sm… today.

      • blake

        this is the best lineup they have thrown out there in awhile….so I’m kinda excited to see if they can actually score some runs over the next 2 months. There is a silver lining scenario here where they could make a run…..lot of ifs….but given that they really didn’t hurt their future at all to give themselves a chance….I like it.

    • emac2

      I would agree if it wasn’t for Jeters retirement.

      I totally support making an investment in his last year being a playoff run and we didn’t overpay for it so I’m fine with it.

  • Bigdan

    This is the problem with Prada. Sure his flexibility looks great on paper. But in the Yankee universe, there really is no flexibility when it comes to “established veterans.” Look what happened this year. In the season of “Replacement Infielders/Outfielders,” Roberts, Ichiro, Johnson, and Soriano almost always played over the young guys (Solarte the only exception). How in this of all seasons didn’t a player like Pirela, who’s probably hit better in AAA at 24 than the vast majority of current ML infielders, not get a shot? Almonte should have been platooned months ago. And remember, Prado next year will be making several times what the Roberts and Ichiros made this year.

    No, Prado will play over any other young option next year, including Refsynder, no matter how much he sucks (.686 OPS this season in over 400 ABs). That was the real value of Solarte. At his price, you could sit him on the bench or even send him to Scranton. That’s real flexibility at 1/20th the price at Prado. Not so sure Solarte won’t outhit Prado either.

    Face it Prado is here for the long haul. So is Arod. Headley is not. And most likely, neither is Refsynder.

    • blake

      they need a lot of positions going forward…..you can’t just sit back and plan on guys from the farm system filling all of them. They literally had no infield signed for 2015…..now at least they have an option at 3B or 2B. It’s nice to have a guy that can play all over….especailly when you need as many positions as they do.

      • Bret The Hitman

        In Prado and Headley they have options at both 3B and 2B, backup 1B and backup RF.

        Drew is a superutility man auditioning for SS.

        Solarte was figured out.

        Arod will be Jeter’s current age next season. Basically Arod is closer than retirement than he is a full-time position in the infield, especially factoring in a layoff of nearly 2 years. It’s a huge mystery what they’d be getting at 3B. They really need to bring back Headley if he performs.

    • Gamer

      lol bro thats a good thing prado will be here you’re to negative. solarte wasnt doing crap for two months and the NL will figure him out soon. almonte isnt showing a damn thing at the ml level and maybe he’s just not as good as you seem to think he is.

    • Bret The Hitman

      How many times are you going to pencil in a 40 year old roider broken down nearly 2-year layoff guy into full time position in the field?

      Arod is the DH. Headley is a plus defender and someone you can rely on to play a position. He’s 29.

      Prado’s bat plays average-above average at 2B. Refsnyder is not a guarantee to give you that production his first 2 years.

      Arod is the DH/backup 3B and Refsnyder is the backup 2B should Prado be needed to cover RF.

      • Bret The Hitman

        For emphasis

        Arod is the DH/backup 3B and Refsnyder is the backup 2B should Prado be needed to cover RF.

      • Old Man Time

        Agreed. It’s pretty simple. Don’t why Dan has such a hard time understanding it.

        • Tar

          I think Dan’s point is valid…..If Prado sucks, he will still get the majority of playing time. Ref and Pirela’s or any other young player’s window to succeed will be tiny. When Solarte started to suck he was benched and traded. That won’t happen with the veteran.

          Having said that getting Prado is not the problem (he was a good pick-up) Joe’s over reliance on sucky veteran’s with a pulse is….

  • Mike Ri

    way to bring everyone down Bigdan

  • Y’s Guy

    solarte played way over his head for almost 2 months. this is undenyable. when has he ever even approached those kinds of #’s.

    now he’s back to what he is a 4a player. maybe just a 3 1/4 a player.

    too many on here waiting for that pumpkin to turn back into a carriage.

  • Bigdan

    Solarte was very hot and cold with the Yanks, no doubt about it. And I have no doubt that Headley is a much better option at 3b for the Yanks the remainder of this season than what Solarte would have been no matter how much Solarte rakes now in San Diego. But that’s the problem. Headley is a pure rental. He’s gone, poof in a couple of months. Like he was never here. And Solarte will keep playing cheaply, year in, year out for the foreseeable future providing the exact flexible value that Yanks will need next year as the transition year (or as one other poster rightly put), transition era continues.

    When Solarte was hitting and not hitting for the Yanks there were several articles out there that analyzed his ABs and they uniformly concluded he was no fluke as an offensive player. Makes contact, takes walks, controls the strike zone, BABIP stuff. Solarte is no all star. But I believe he’s an average major league hitter. That’s the same adjective Axisa used to describe Prado. At 1/20th the cost and without all that bad “established veteran” baggage. And the Yanks had him. And now they’ve lost him.

    • Bret The Hitman

      Headley is a pure rental. He’s gone, poof in a couple of months.

      ___________

      BULLSHIT

      • blake

        Headley is a good player…..I think he’ll be open to a 1 year deal next season to re-establish is value and if so I’d totally be happy bringing him back. Good defender….switch hitter….they could certainly do worse at 3B next year. Now where does that leave Prado? Well he could play 2B until Refsynder is ready or he could play RF and let Beltran DH or whatever……

        • Bigdan

          If Headley plays well the rest of this season, with the current market, he’ll be able to get multiple years at $10MM per no doubt. Makes no difference anyway since the Yanks don’t have room on the roster or in their budget for Headley next year even on a one year deal.

          • Old Man Time

            First, the roster thing is not true. Second, you’re making financial assumptions out of thin air. You’re not privy to what their actual budgetary limits will be. That’s something they don’t announce except if it gives them a negotiating edge during FA.

          • Bret The Hitman

            He just had an epidural and could develop the same kind of chronic back issues that ended Joe Crede. He will get a 2 year deal – from the Yankees – at a discount. He’s cheaper than Hanley Ramirez at 3B. They need to add one more frontline starting pitcher.

            Prado is cheaper than Zobrist.

            Drew is cheaper than Asdrubal Cabrera.

            3B – Headley/Arod/Prado
            SS – Drew/Ryan
            2B – Prado/Refsnyder
            DH – Arod/Beltran
            RF – Beltran

            SP

            Lester
            Shields
            Pineda
            Sabathia
            McCarthy/Phelps
            Banuelos

    • JOhn C

      bigdan:

      Ask any GM or scout in baseball who they’d rather have. Solarte or Headley, even on a 2 month rental. Your logic makes no sense at all.

    • Gamer

      uhh yeah they traded him because he was completely dead in the field and at the plate for 2 months…he looked like a minor league player in the bigs which is what everyone knows he is.

      • HansDavenport

        Yup. Career minor leaguer that got hot at the right time, right place and had his 15 minutes of fame. It’s not a very good team if Kelly Johnson is all that is blocking you at 3B. It was a nice story. So was Cinderella.

    • Old Man Time

      I’ll never understand you guys that cry over Solarte like a schoolgirl that lost her first boyfriend. If the Yankees had traded FOR Solarte yesterday, the narrative would be “why did we trade for a career 4A hitter with hot 8 weeks to start the season”.

      • Gamer

        Lmao yeah exactly yankees fans always find crap to complain about

        • Old Man Time

          It’s just like Steve Pearce in June. Everyone giving the Yankees crap for not holding on to him shut up after he put up a .550 OPS the last month.

      • HansDavenport

        Well put.

  • BoS8

    You’ll notice the top five GMs in the business today were active. My subjective ratings.

    Dombrowski
    Mozeliak
    Beane
    Friedman
    Cashman

  • mustang

    Someday I like to meet Mike so that he can explain to me his man crush on Stephen Drew. I like all the moves, but out of all them Drew made the least sense. He will probably play a better second base then Roberts, which is not saying much, and I say PROBABLY because the guy NEVER played second. I would of rather have seen Ryan at second and later Refsnyder.
    I just don’t get the Stephen Drew love he nothing more then a SS who had a few good years in the past one of those years being greatly help by Fenway. He is injury prone and he and his agent think that he is worth a lot more then what he is. He done nothing this year to make anyone think he will be any better going forward. I hope to God that the Yankees can find a better option then Stephen Drew at SS next year it would be definitely very disappointing if they didn’t except maybe to Mike.

    • Y’s Guy

      i’m just not a drew fan either. i was very glad they didnt sign him this offseason. at the cost of kelley johnson, im ok with him now, but i am very concerned about his lack of hitting.

      i told blake back when drew had about 75 at bats that i would consider that his ST and see how he does from there.

      well it has not been good. In his last 65 ab’s he’s hitting .215.

      he’s an upgrade over roberts, i’m pretty sure, but maybe not by much at this point.

      hopefully his ‘spring training’ took all of Boston and he’s ready to do something other than look helpless with the stick now.

      monumentally bad decision making by drew and boras this offseason.

    • mustang

      “Drew, 31, has hit a weak .176/.255/.328 (56 wRC+) with four homers in 145 plate appearances this year after signing at midseason. He has been much better of late, hitting .237/.341/.474 (126 wRC+) with two homers since the All-Star break. After the long layoff and the lack of a proper Spring Training, it took Drew a little while to get going with the bat.”

      What Mike “forgot” was that he did get a few weeks in the minors before being call up and that once he did get called he got hurt (oblique strain) again.

      • Y’s Guy

        wow, i didnt realize he cranked it all the way up to .237 (for 2 weeks)!

        bat him cleanup!!!

        • mustang

          Yep

          IF doesn’t play good defensively at a position he has never played we will be crying to have Roberts back within 2 weeks.

    • mustang

      I hope Drew “audition” goes well because that helps the 2014 Yankees, but I hope the 2015 Yankees can do a lot better then a overpaid ( or least him and Boras will try) injury prone 31 year old SS.

  • Y’s Guy

    relax dude, the yankees, or any other team, will be able to pick solarte back up the next time he’s he’s let go. It’s happened 3x already.

  • Hankflorida

    Before Cashman dismantled “Murder’s Row and Cano,” the Yankees had seven guys who hit over twenty home runs and that led to almost nine hundred runs on the board. Since they play in the Stadium, the Yankees have to get back to being the Bronx Bombers, and having two table setters, Gardner and Ellsbury, in the outfield means that you need power guys in the infield and Drew and Prado do not fit that equation.

    • Old Man Time

      Pretty sure I had more to do with that than Cashman.

  • JPK

    Do we have any news on roster spots being cleared for Prado, Rogers, Drew?
    Roberts was one, so two more got to go.
    My money is on Wheeler and Whitley… Wheeler is now not needed as they have a over abundance of INF’s at the moment and Whitley is about the only one in the pen that is expendable and has options at the moment.

    • Old Man Time

      Drew took Kelly Johnson’s spot.

  • King George

    With about 55 games to go, these moves can change the team’s outlook. They’re 5 GB in the East and 3 in the WC. They can still make something of this and the roster is about as complete as it’s been since 2012. Gave up essentially one semi-decent prospect in O’Brien. Cashman saved our group of elite prospects. Come on. Enjoy the run, fellas! This team can still do some damage.

  • Y’s Guy

    So im a little confused maybe, (no surprise), but can the Tigers stick Price with a QO and keep him for 2016?

    • Old Man Time

      Yes, because he will have spent all of 2015 on their team. A player has to spend an entire season with a club to receive a QO.

  • Bigdan

    Another point somewhat ignored regarding the Prado trade is that the Yanks just added $11MM in payroll to their infield next year. With the added $22MM for Arod, that’s an additional $33MM not budgeted this year. Not chump change. Now Jeter’s $12MM goes off so that might net out Prado but they still need a SS next year. All of this of course makes it even more certain Headley is gone for good but the bigger issue is how does this effect the Yanks overall in the offseason? Will they go cheap at SS now (is Ryan an option?). I have to believe they are already planning a big hard run at Lester but if they do that, will there be room to upgrade power in the OF?

    All of these issues makes the Prado acquisition more and more curious and virtually guarantees he will be no super sub next year but will have a fixed position most likely either 2b or RF.

    • Old Man Time

      They also drop salaries for Drew, Ichiro, Roberts, Kuroda, and McCarthy.

    • http://RAB Yankee Trader

      Dan

      I read an article yesterday which looked at Cot’s spread sheet for the next few years. They are currently at around $172M for the next two years, and that’s not counting all the arb cases and player perks, such as medical insurance, etc.

      They will not be under the 189M, unless ARod voluntarily retires, and I doubt it will be even then, after they sign other FA’s

      Prado started with the Braves as a 2nd baseman, so I see him at second, unless Refsnyder has an outstanding spring. I even think that there might be room to resign Hendley and let him patrol a corner outfield spot.

      Well just have to see.

      BTW, Mike, I totally enjoyed your thoughts following the trade deadline.

    • Gamer

      they aren’t going to try 189 again so i don’t see why it matters. the yankees can add as much payroll as they want. they practically have unlimited funds.

      • Bigdan

        That simply is not true. We know now that the Yanks under Hal absolutely operate under a budget. Based on the last several years (with 2013 being the outlier-Tex insurance), the number seems to be around $210-212MM. Arod and Prado have now taken a good chunk of that. I expect pitching will too with two acquisitions, a big one (Scherzer or Lester, most likely Lester) and a smaller one (McCarthy?). The loss of Kuroda won’t cover that outlay so they’ll be a net increase there. And then there’s still SS and Drob. Looking more and more like SS may be a place to go cheap.

        Need Jerkface to start crunching some intelligible numbers but I guess there’s still a lot of time for that.

    • TheEvilUmpire

      Haven’t you made that point 3 or 4 times already today on various threads? Let it go dude, let it go…

  • Hankflorida

    Wee Willie Keeler was a banjo hitter who “hit em where they ain’t.” Last year by initially playing Gardner and Ichiro together, he assembled a team that tended to hit em where they are. When he let Cano go and replaced him with Ellsbury, the power outage continued and runs we’re scarce as this band of banjo hitters could not find the holes. Can anyone explain to me why Cashman chose the blueprint of having table setters in the outfield instead of the infield where they are easier to get?

    • Old Man Time

      What infield table-setters, the great Infante?

      • Hankflorida

        Instead of Infante If Ellsbury and Gardner were righthanded, they could play short and second, and then the Yanks could shop for some heavy hitters in the outfield. I wonder if Cashman has a sense of Yankee history and why the Stadium was built with a short right field porch. Ed Barrow would turn over in his grave if he saw an outfield of Gardner, Ellsbury and Ichiro or Prado.

        • Old Man Time

          Wow.

          • Hankflorida

            Old man time, do you go back as far as I do or am I prehistoric?

            • Jimmy

              If I remember from a couple days ago, you said you once saw Lou Gehrig play. I think that’s probably sufficient for your answer right there, Sir.

  • mt

    1) I would feel better about the Drew trade if he was not playing out of position but of course we know SS is taken. I think any offensive additions will be offset by a couple of key defensive miscues the rest of the season.

    2) The Red Sox are in a great position unfortunately – yes they still have question marks but given that their top six prospects that are in the top MLB 100 are still Red Sox property after yesterday’s events (including adding more prospects like the 2 Giant pitchers for Peavy and the young Orioles lefty for Miller) they probably are in a position where they will be able to outbid any team if a trade is offered this off-season for a veteran from a rebuilding team (say, Giancarlo Stanton or Cole Hamels)- also they may prefer trading for Hamels over the options of signing Lester/Scherzer because Hamels’ contract ends when he is at most 35 (even if his option vests) while Lester/Scherzer will probably get offers this offseason for five to seven years that will include their age 36-38 seasons.
    2) I like Prado trade for one thing only: his versatility – can you imagine what next year will look like with inevitable injuries to ARod/Teix/Beltran?
    3) At the end of day Yankees did have nice/OK moves but still have no pitcher to help starters reduce innings (I assume Capuano has to be the guy then until an August waiver claim) and no increase in outfield power (Byrd and Willingham were not traded so I can assume their prices were sky-high.) Actually, in looking at what Oakland and Detroit did yesterday, not sure what Yanks could have added to get near that level for remainder of this year.
    4) The Red Sox also have one other (strange) advantage over us: they actually succeeded and made the last to first thing work in 2012/2013 so they will always have that in their corner as they seek to manage the discomfort of their fans and media when they have to do it again (like they did yesterday!) – selling off pieces would be difficult for Yankees for a whole slew of reasons, including bucking organizational culture.

    • http://RAB Yankee Trader

      mt

      Good post. The Yankees, unlike the Red Sox, are stuck with full no trade clauses on their high priced players, and I agree, the Yankees cannot retool with a quick recovery toward dominance like the Red Sox did in 2012 for the 2013 season.

      Hopefully when Tex, ARod, CC come off the books , the Yankees will have more maneuverability to field a younger, talented, athletic, playoff caliber team.

  • Mikhel

    We know the Yankees are in deep troubles when people call Stephen Drew “an upgrade”, just another overpriced piece of manure on the playing field. The guy can not hit, and is not precisely a wizard fielding, though that same people get impressed easily with Brendan Ryan’s fielding stats only to realize he was overhyped.

    • mustang

      Agree, but one overhypes Ryan’s bat they way they do with Drew’s.

      “He is a dead pull left-handed hitter who might be able to take advantage of Yankee Stadium’s short right field porch.’

      Yeah, ok you must be able to HIT THE BALL take advantage of Yankee Stadium’s short right field porch.

      • mustang

        Agree, but no one…

    • Tar

      To be exact he can’t LH pitchers.

      He will be a definite upgrade vs RH pitching though. If Joe can limit his exposure to mainly or as much as possible vs RH pitchers, that will help. Having Prado, who’s splits are close to being the same, will help.

      • Tar

        What I was trying to say is Prado’s splits are neutral. He hits the same regardless of the pitcher.

  • Dick M

    O’Brien’s slash in AA in July was 299/365/667 for an 1032 OPS. 8 HRs.

    Not single A. AA.

    I like Prado but he profiles best at 2B which is where our most ready prospect plays. It’s like the McCann thing all over again — we have internal options at the position so why not allocate the resources to fixing long term needs(starting pitching, SS, 3B, RF)?

    Is there some plan here? Is it about winning the whole thing or is it about putting a “passable” team on the field?

    • Chip Rodriguez

      Prado’s a swiss army knife. If A-Rod can’t play regularly or is DHing, and Headley signs elsewhere this winter, then Prado can fit at 3B without issues.

      • mustang

        Amen.

      • Dick M

        Isn’t lack of power an issue? Particularly the way this team is constructed.

        • mustang

          An O’Brien is your situation ? Isn’t that a bit of a reach.

          • Dick M

            Assume you mean “answer”. Well, no. All I’m saying is that Prado isn’t a fit positionally. And he adds to our bloated payroll, which reduces our ability to fill all of the holes that we have.

    • mustang

      “2B which is where our most ready prospect plays.”

      You mean the prospect that just started playing second and his biggest question is if can play the base?

      Prado is league average sub at 3 spot that they have no one for in 2015. He helps this year and in the future for a prospect that has shown promise with the bat but has no defensive base. The chances of MLB pitchers figuring out that hole in O’Brien’s bat are real good they sure did it with Montero who was a much better prospect.

  • Tar

    “When Spring Training opened, the candidates for the non-shortstop and non-first base infield positions were Johnson, Solarte, Brian Roberts, Eduardo Nunez, Scott Sizemore, and Dean Anna. Every single one of them is gone.”

    Cashman did ok by getting the players he got ( there is something about everyone I like)….but when you start out with that list above, it’s not to hard to improve on it… is it?.

    So yes Cashman improved the team ( good job)… but looking long term, why did he have the team in that miserable, depressing state to begin with?

    Cashman needs to move on next year. Like Torre before him he is past his expiration date.

  • ropeadope

    It really is the little things in life that make you happiest.

    Mike, if you have a spare moment, could you have a word with my girlfriend.

  • greg

    Re Price – I’m amazed that the Dodgers didn’t get him for Joc Pederson and a lottery ticket guy.

  • trollhunter

    So if the moves the Yankees made are not enough to get them into the post season then that says to me that theYankees are okay with not making the post season for the 2nd straight year otherwise they would have done more yesterday.

  • Hankflorida

    If you start with Gardner and Ellsbury in the outfield, the Yankees are not fixable unless you offset that loss of power with players like Tulo at SS and Cano at 2nd. The Cardinals were able to do it last year when they scored almost 800 runs with only 125 home runs, but they were able to hit .300 with RISP. Since the Yankees pay in a band box, they thrive on the long ball where 250 homers allows them approach 900 runs. Not understanding the need for the long ball was Cashman’s folly, and fixing it has to start with power numbers in the outfield so Drew and Prado can fit into the Yankee blueprint.

    • Old Man Time

      Not understanding the need for the long ball was Cashman’s folly…

      Yeah, Cashman didn’t understand homeruns. SMMFH

  • Bret The Hitman

    Say James Shields is claimed by the Yankees off waivers and can work out a trade with the Royals.

    What is a fair package for him, assuming you have to at least give up minor league talent equivalent to/slightly better than a compensation pick?

    Banuelos + Refsnyder/Murphy?

    • RetroRob

      Nothing in the Yankees recent history under Cashman indicates they’d give up a couple solid prospects for what will turn out now to be a six week rental. Their moves clearly indicate they’re not giving up their top prospects, instead trying to improve incrementally.

      Of course, that’s not really the answer to the exact question you asked. : -)

  • RetroRob

    Moving O’Brien not only ends the daily lineup/position juggling at Double-A Trenton, it also ends Yankee fans obsession with him, which was only going to lead to disappointment. His high end was a poor man’s Mark Trumbo, and he’ll never achieve that. I tried to stay out of too many O’Brien conversations beyond hoping he’d improve his plate discipline. I wanted to have hope, but I didn’t believe it.

    You can spread your obsession now to another Yankee prospect!

  • trollhunter

    1.5 years of Price would have been the move to make since the Yankees dont have anyone for the rotation next year either. On the current path the team will be in the same shape next year as they are today if not worse. Three years in a row with no pist season looks very likely.

  • John in Forest

    I like the Prado move, but the Johnson for Drew trade perplexes me. The Yankees signed an inexpensive left-handed hitting 2B in the off-season who had his usual weak season with the bat and played him out of position at first, third, and RF. Now that 2B was open, they traded him for an expensive left-handed hitting SS who’s having a dreadful season with the bat and who they’re going to play out of position at second. Does that make sense to anyone?

  • forensic

    I’m still ok with their job during the deadline. I don’t necessarily agree that they’re no-doubt upgrades, but they could be. They certainly didn’t give up anything great, though I still believe DePaula could be a solid pitcher (as did most people here until he was traded…) and O’Brien might be able to find a little niche in the big leagues, though that’s more unlikely and especially tough on a team like the Yankees.

    Two guys (maybe three) are auditioning for next season and it is at least a little useful to be able to see that first-hand. I hate the money they took on with Prado, but I guess it is what it is, in that case.

    Is going to get them far enough for one playoff game? Is it worth it? Eh, I’m not so sure and I wouldn’t bet that they’ll make it, but it’s possible (at least playing the Sox and Rays might be a little easier at times now). Truthfully though, the main reason it’s ok is that there really isn’t all that much on the team that they could sell that other teams would be really interested in trading useful pieces for, so what other option did they really have in the end?

  • Joe C

    I’m going to be perfectly honest about how I feel about what went do yesterday. I’m really fan of the trades that either the Philadelphia nee Kanas City nee Oakland Athletics made. I’m just not big fans of it. They gave up possibly their best hitter to get Lester and they’re leaving Josh Donaldson with virtually no protection. That could comeback to bight them big time. They’re pitching staff is not as good as people think it is. I’m sure they’re all enjoying career years buts Scott Kazmir was out of baseball last year and he wasn’t any good before he left. Jeff Samardzia? Career .500 pitcher enjoying a career year. Jason Hamel? not that good. Sonny Gray is ok. Outside of Lester they don’t really have a great pitcher on that staff. I’m sorry they don’t. For oakland this trade can only be a disaster unless, they win the World Series becasue Lester is NoT resigning with them. And I’m not really sure that they will win the world series.

    Like wise, I’m not really convinced the Sox will make out well in this trade because as other people have pointed out they don’t control Cespedes after next year and there is no guarentee that they will resign Jon Lester. There whole plan rests on whether or not they can resign Jon Lester and I’m not sure that will happen now. If they don’t get him back then this trade will be the worst trade since the Michael Pineda trade.

    Likewise, I’m not really crazy about the David Price trade for the same reasons that i’m not crazy about the Lester trade. From where I sit, the Tigers weekend their offense to upgrade their starting rotation, which was not the problem. Their problem has always been their bullpen or lack there of and they didn’t really address that. That still could comeback to haunt them. They also, as I said, weekend there offense, which was already weekend when they traded away Prince Fielder. That could be a problem, especially if Victor Martinez gets hurt the way that he did two years ago. That would leave their offense in a mess and would ruin any chance they have of advancing in the playoffs and i wouldn’t like their chances to advance inspite of their ‘great rotation.’ Remember you have to score a few runs to win and if they lose someone like martinez or Caberra I don’t see how they’ll win even with their great starting pitching. I just don’t see it. To me this was not a move made to win a pennant this was move made to satisfy the ego of Dave Dombrowski, who obviously felt threatened by what Billy Beane did even thought he shouldn’t have felt that way.

  • dalelama

    Cashman would have rearranged the deck chairs on the Titanic nicely, overall very disappointing.

    • Old Man Time

      Remember when you kept shouting for the Yankees to sign Carl Crawford and Chone Figgins?

  • Lukasz

    3-4