Luis Severino tops Baseball America’s top ten Yankees prospects list

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Severino at the 2014 Futures Game. (Hannah Foslien/Getty)
Severino at the 2014 Futures Game. (Hannah Foslien/Getty)

Earlier this week, Baseball America started their annual look at each team’s top ten prospects. The series continued today with the Yankees, and, as always, the list is free but the scouting reports are not. The link also includes free video for six of the ten prospects, so make sure you check that out. Here is Baseball America’s entire top ten index and here is New York’s top ten:

  1. RHP Luis Severino
  2. OF Aaron Judge
  3. SS Jorge Mateo
  4. 1B Greg Bird
  5. C Gary Sanchez
  6. LHP Ian Clarkin
  7. 2B Rob Refsnyder
  8. LHP Jacob Lindgren
  9. C Luis Torrens
  10. 3B Miguel Andujar

Severino and Judge are 1A and 1B in my opinion. I consider Judge the team’s top prospect because of the general attrition rate of 20-year-old pitchers plus the fact that offense is the scarce commodity these days, not pitching. That’s just my opinion. They’re both excellent and both are Yankees though, so the order doesn’t really matter.

The Mateo ranking might be a bit aggressive but people have been raving about him all summer. He’s clearly one of the team’s top prospects even though a hand injury limited him to only a handful of games in 2014. Bird over Sanchez seems to be based on performance as much as anything. The scouting report calls Bird an average defensive first baseman who “projects to hit 18-20 homers in the big leagues,” then says Sanchez can be a “frontline catcher with the potential for a .280 average and 20-25 home runs annually.” Plus Sanchez has at least a grade 60 bat flip tool:

Gary Sanchez

Anyway, Refsnyder and Lindgren are basically MLB-ready pieces while Clarkin, Torrens, and Andujar are lower level guys who are still years away. The scouting report notes that, with the help of pitching coordinator Gil Patterson, Clarkin added a cutter to his fastball-curveball-changeup mix this summer. Torrens is going to be the next great Yankees catching prospect very soon — the write-up says his defense draws raves even though he didn’t move behind the plate full-time until the team signed him in July 2012 — and the scouting report says Andujar has a “future of an everyday third baseman whose bat profiles for the position.”

Compared to last year’s top ten, I think this year’s has much more upside and depth. 3B Eric Jagielo didn’t make the cut — I assume he’s prospect No. 11 — despite having a pretty damn good year with High-A Tampa (132 wRC+ with 16 homers in 85 games) around an oblique injury. Last year he would have been in the top five no questions asked following a season like that. The farm system still isn’t in a great shape but it is definitely on the way up, especially after the club’s international spending spree this summer. There’s a ton of upside in the lower levels right now, way more than usual. I think the Yankees have been very good at acquiring talent in recent years. Developing it has been the problem.

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  • 86w183

    Probably the best top ten the Yanks have had in a long time if not ever. I like the fact that most positions are covered just could use another OF in that group.

    • TB

      Don’t worry we signed 3 of the top 4 international outfielders this past summer

      • 86w183

        Let’s hope they move quickly. In the meantime Tyler Austin, Ramon Flores or Slade Heathcott needs to step it up.

        • Wicomico Pinstripes

          I’d take Slade just being able to step to the plate.

    • bigdan

      Keep an eye on Payton and Fowler in the OF. Could make a big move next year.

      • Yanks

        Payton is a rich man’s Dugas.

        • bigdan

          yea, maybe

        • 86w183

          And Dugas is a poor man’s Gardner

          • Yanks

            Dugas isn’t anything like Gardner. Gardner is a legit CFer with top line speed. Dugas is a corner outfielder with average speed at best and no pop.

    • YakaTanaka

      Uhhh… If by ever you mean in like 3 years, sure!

      Yankees had BA’s #5 organization in 2011.

  • Dan A.

    Not doubting BA, but why would a 1B prospect with average defense who is only projected to hit 18-20 HRs be ranked at number 4? Is his floor just really high?

    • TB

      Bird could be the next Joey Votto – he has that much talent – I think he is underrated by BA

      • 86w183

        Boy that’s aiming high.

        I think he’s more of a more athletic, healthy Nick Johnson

        • TB

          I love what I have seen out of bird – sky is the limit for him

          • 86w183

            I like him a lot too. Remember Nick Johnson at one point was arguably THE hitting prospect in MLB. That’s a very complimentary comparison….. at least mean it as one.

        • Dalek Jeter

          Hopefully he’s made out of a higher end glass, or like a porcelain or quartz or something.

          • TB

            Look Nick Johnson entered his at-bats to party in the usa by miley ray cryrus . cant get much softer than that

            • Dalek Jeter

              Hey man, Josh Reddick used Careless Whisper this season.

              • TB

                you found softer there

                • Dalek Jeter

                  I personally think it’s the greatest walk up music ever. Keeps you and your team lose, and there’s no way such a sensual sax doesn’t break the concentration of the opposing pitcher.

        • hansdee

          That would be okay. Though I would prefer a “Much more healthy” Nick Johnson.

          • 86w183

            It’s a shame he was so fragile because he had a lot of talent… 138 OPS+ at age 24, career high 149 at age 27.

            • TB

              Hey without Nick Johnson we would have never gotten the immortal Javy Vazquez

            • hansdee

              Absolutely! He was very talented. Exactly. It was a real shame.

        • David Masino

          I agree that a Nick the Stick comp is more accurate. Probably not as insane an OBP as Nick (I believe his was over .500 at AA), but with some more pop, and not quite as good defensively.

          -Soylent Greene, formerly Electric Nunez ll

          • Wicomico Pinstripes

            .345/.525/.548 as a 20yr old.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          I think he’s a younger, brunette, baseball-loving, and shorter Larry Bird.

        • chris hines

          I’d take that in a heart beat.

    • LazerTown

      Really good obp. He has the right approach at the plate, less likely to bust vs higher end pitching.

  • TB

    Well whats also nice is Refsnyder and Lindgren are very close

  • LazerTown

    They must really like Mateo. Sanchez held his own, he just didn’t take a big leap forward yet.

    • Yanks

      Everybody loves Mateo. Kiley McDaniel said he might have him somewhere on a 100+ top prospect.

      • LazerTown

        Has nice speed, but he is only 19 and in his 3rd year rookie ball, and hasn’t played all that much. Nice potential, but is that really one Yankees 3 most valuable pieces at this point in time, and is that a top 100 in the game?

        • bigdan

          That scouting report said the other day he’s an average major SS defensively. I think when you are talking strictly defense you can say that about a talented 19 year old. And he has an 80 speed tool. Together, he’s at least halfway there for a SS. That’s why he’s a special one.

          • CashmanNinja

            I’ve seen lots say he looks like he’ll be an above average SS because of his speed, but won’t be a gold glove/elite worthy one. I’ll still take that in a heartbeat because he’s projected to make it to double digit HRs and has elite speed. Think Jose Reyes-lite.

            • LazerTown

              Oh sure, but he is a long ways off, that they are basing it solely off of tools, none on what he has done.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          Seems like being awfully in love with upside. I don’t know if I’d ever be as bullish on a guy at his level, but it doesn’t particularly bother me either.

        • Yanks

          A lot of this is about projection, so I could see it. Guy’s raw talent is absurd. Not surprised people are raving about him and his potential.

    • The Great Gonzo

      Obligatory “Give Mateo teh reps in Spring! Give Mateo teh starting jobz! Mateo to teh Bronx!!!’ comment here.

  • hogsmog

    I don’t know whether this makes me happy for how far we’ve come, or sad about how everybody panned out:

    http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/organization-top-10-prospects/2013/2614298.html

  • PunkPitch

    This group when fully developed does not scare the rest of the league one bit. Further, from 11 down, the system drops rather steeply with alarming mediocrity. Assume half these guys make it, and compare with the rest of the AL East. Gulp.

    • Pkyankfan69

      The Yanks would be doing back flips if half of these guy make it… And as always the Yanks will continue to spend big on FA, esp once a lot of the lousy money on the books goes away over the next few years. We don’t need to grow a full team out of the minors, just a handful of positions would help a ton.

    • Dalek Jeter

      If half these guys make it, and live up to their full potential, everybody would fear the Yankees and their farm system…except Yankee fans, of course, who would some how think a 50% return on prospects isn’t good enough.

      • TB

        Dalek I would take a 20 percent return and be happy

        • Dalek Jeter

          I think any rational fan would.

          • Stratocaster

            Good prospects AND rational fans? Seems like a lot to ask.

        • bigdan

          Just give me three superior position players by 2017 and the Yanks will be fine.

        • CashmanNinja

          If 1 of them becomes a great player then I’ll be thrilled. If Aaron Judge stormed into the league as this generation’s Dave Winfield and the other 9 guys fizzled and gave us zero production…I would be thrilled beyond belief. All it takes is for 1 of them to be good. A few years ago we were lucky enough to have Wang and Cano come up and then we had the Core Four (and Bernie) and that kind of luck is going to be unheard of ever again. Not every guy is going to become a great player and if you set the bar high then you’re going to be disappointed. Aim for something more realistic. Hope to get a solid player who will be on the team for years and years.

          • YakaTanaka

            You’re probably right about 1 superstar and 9 duds, but I eould extend that to only 1 guy needing to be “good.”

          • Jorge Steinbrenner

            Pretty much.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      No wonder you’re so bitter. You start with the assumption that half this top ten is going to make it. Even I’m not that pollyannaish, pollyanna.

      • CashmanNinja

        If 1 of those 10 becomes an above average player at the MLB level then I would consider it a win for the team.

    • YakaTanaka

      It’s extremely unlikely that half of these guys “make it.”

      You should familiarize yourself with the concept of variability. It is a huge factor with prospects. The Cards were rated as a bottom 10 system when they already had almost all of the talent that has made for an historical player development run in their system. The margin of error around system ranking is enormous.

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        I’ve always maintained that the biggest naysayers are the one who began with the most unrealistic of expectations.

  • Jack
    • bigdan

      “Birdie” You know Girardi won’t have a problem remembering that name.

  • Robert

    The Judge had 2 HR in yesterdays Arizona league game. Maybe he sees the Bronx RF by Sept. 2015

    • chris hines

      That’d be awfully quick, it could happen, but it’s more likely he’d be a 2016 Sept. call up than a 2015 one.

  • bigdan

    ‘Last year [Jagielo] would have been in the top five no questions asked following a season like that.’

    Excellent point and very true.

    Bird can do better than 18-20 dingers. If his back is ok. That’s the issue with him. He does have some similarities to Nick the Stick but Nick was untouchable in terms of on base skills. Bird can take a walk too and is a pure hitter like Nick. But Bird should have significantly more power. Early scouting reports on him described his power potential as “light tower” and superior to O’Brien’s.

    • CashmanNinja

      Bird is definitely an intriguing prospect and I like that he’s finally getting some more recognition. He does take walks, but not as much as Nick Johnson. Johnson had a .500+ OBP in AA and that’s just insane, but it’s not like Bird can’t get on base. He had over 100 walks last year, so he shows some patience. The problem with him is he does strike out a bit. But you know what? As long as he doesn’t hit .220 then it’s something most teams can live with. If he can be a .270 hitter and hit 25-30 HR then I’m MORE than ok with that, even if it means his K rate is pretty high. I think he’s a better overall prospect than Nick Johnson was. As stated…Johnson could take a walk, but the power was only so-so when he was younger. It took a while to develop and even then he only hit over 20 HR in a season 1 time…and he was ALWAYS hurt. Plus his defense was eh. I think Bird is a mix of Nick Johnson and Peter O’Brien, but with better overall defense and higher average.

      • dkidd

        imagine if rab was around for johnson’s 1999 season

        • Wicomico Pinstripes

          Cashman would have somehow still been failing, I assume.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          Imagine some of the epic arguments on here, but on dial-up.

          • Alkaline

            DAMNIT MOM! DON’T PICK UP THE PHONE!

  • Jorge Steinbrenner

    Liking the looks of that list. Wasn’t that long ago where the question wasn’t which solid prospect was left off the Top 10.

    Surprised to not see Austin and Jagelio in there, but that’s not to say that Andujar, Mateo, and Torrens aren’t worthy of consideration. I think a lot of us are expecting Andujar to be a very big deal in this system next year.

    Grey skiiiiies are getting cleeeear-er……sing, everyone. Even you, BigDan.

    • HoopDreams

      I think the wrist injury might have to do with Austin being MIA, hes probably 11 or 12 I would guess

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        Probably, as well as the new car shine wearing off a bit. As long as he looks healthy and keeps on making strides this season, I’m fine with wherever he’s placed on here.

        • HoopDreams

          Last I heard I think from Keith Law was that he has been recovering well and his swing has looked back to normal. Personally Im excited for him, hope he pans out

          • Jorge Steinbrenner

            Second half of the season was full of win. I really hope he starts out in AAA. That, plus the assumed 40-man slot, means it’s pretty much in his hands whether he sees the Bronx at some point next season.

          • Alkaline

            Likewise. The further from that wrist injury, the better it seems. Keep that positive trend going.

  • YakaTanaka

    And, Mike, what portion of players’ actual development do you think the team controls vs. doesn’t control?

    I mean, if you had the data set to perform a regression… what would the coefficients for system management, coaching, training, progression decisions, and other team controlled variables be? And how about injuries, uncontrollable player maturation, and other uncontrollable variables?

  • Bo Knows

    Not gonna lie, those scouting reports made my nipples hard lol

    • Mottsx

      Did you read it naked too?

  • YakaTanaka

    I think it’s a matter of putting Jagielo’s season in context. It’s not about how well he hit in High A, but about how that performance projects him to do at higher levels and more than anything MLB.

    His biggest value was supposed to be his polish, yet he has a huge hole in his swing against pitching he was expected to dominate. That’s a major problem. He’s also raised serious questions about whether he’s a 3B, so the offensive bar just got higher. I’m not sure he would have been in the top 5 last season. He was only #5 last year despite not having exposed some major flaws.

    It’s a matter of knowing how to use the numbers, not just staring at them (as I’ve told you for years).

    • CashmanNinja

      It’s sort of like the scouting reports on Judge and Jagielo were mixed up because Judge was supposed to be the guy with holes in his swing and would take a while to develop, whereas Jagielo was supposed to be polished and knocking on the door in the very near future. As of now Judge looks much better than advertised because of his short stroke and Jagielo (as mentioned) has a hole in his swing that is going to really take some hard work to overcome. I think Jagielo could still become a solid MLB player because it’s not like his numbers were bad…they were alright when you take the injuries into account, but then again he was *supposed* to do well against that level of competition. So his numbers were good, but not great.

      • RetroRob

        That’s why scouting is so difficult. Judge was considered high potential, but there were concerns about his swing. Jags was supposed to have one of the most polished bats in the draft. Right now they’ve flipped. All it takes is one flaw that’s discovered against better pitching. It also doesn’t mean it can’t be fixed. A year from now Judge may take a fall from grace and Jags could be on the rise again, If two out of the three make the majors out of Judge, Clarkin and Jags, the Yankees will have done well with those clustered three picks.

      • YakaTanaka

        Yeah, I think the Judge scouting reports were based in large part on stereotypes. I also think Yankees fans are overrating him at this point and he still has a pretty long ways to go. One interesting (almost unanswerable) question is whether holding Judge back in Low A and whatever work they did with him helped.

        I don’t think his (or any prospect’s) High A numbers mean anything by themselves. I think they are valuable only insofar as they are a means of predicting MLB success. I don’t know what the equation for using them that way is or how accurate it is… I am just questioning the assumption that overall performance at a given level directly translates. Maybe wRC+ is a better predictor than trying to deconstruct it because different guys produce differently… I don’t really know. Just making a theoretical point. I don’t know the answer.

      • Alkaline

        When drafted and watching his prospect video that Mike posted, his swing at ND was really loopy and concerned me. Quickest way to point A to point B is a straight line folks. You have to have some extremely quick hands to get away with that at the higher levels.

        EDIT – Full disclosure: I am no pro scout, and do not pretend to play one on TV. Only on comment sections ;)

  • blake

    Boy this list has changed quick…..

  • Tar

    With that swing of his ( thanks for the gif), Alex is a natural to work with Sanchez. I hope they spend a lot of time together this spring.

    • 86w183

      I hear they are having lunch with Anthony Bosch on the first day of training camp.

      • blake

        Balco is more effective

        • Hawkeye86

          I would imagine the one that you’ve never heard of is probably the most effective.

          • blake

            Nah Balco best steroids ever

  • HoopDreams

    Man that Sanchez swing is a beauty when it makes good contact

    • RetroRob

      Hoping to see that bat flip 25-30 times a year.

  • TB

    Eric Chavez hired as a special assistant by the Yankees according to WFAN

    • HoopDreams

      Assistant to what?

      • TB

        Heyman says he is being hired as a scout – a special assignment scout

        • hansdee

          That comes with a minimal injury risk, at least.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      Very cool. Always a fan. Maybe it’ll get Erica back on here more.

    • blake

      always liked him.

    • Alkaline

      Nice. I like that move.

    • hansdee

      Hope he can stay healthy.

  • blake

    If Jagielo could just become an average big leaguer that would be very helpful

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      ….who’d have to play a passable third base as well, I think.

    • YakaTanaka

      I think that might be close to best case, right now. I mean obviously if everything goes right of course he could be a lefty Troy Glaus with a longer run or something… But best likely case. Huge hole in swing and poor defense will be tough to overcome, and he was always a low-ceiling, high-floor guy to begin with.

      • HoopDreams

        Dude I would take a Troy Glaus lite any day, hope you are right

        • CashmanNinja

          Glaus had a few 40+ HR seasons. I would take that in a heart beat. So even if he *only* hit 30…I’ll take it and run. No need to be greedy.

        • YakaTanaka

          I’m saying that might be the best case, not that I think there’s all that good of a chance that it happens.

        • blake

          as long as a rally monkey doesn’t come with him

      • blake

        Yea…..they just need some cheap regulars to offset the payroll a little

        • LazerTown

          Right. Someone like Ichiro costs $6.5MM in this market. Not everyone needs be a Cano.

  • RetroRob

    Two reactions:

    First, wow, this list has changed in just one year. Who beyond Sanchez was even on this list last year? Maybe Judge on projection, but he hadn’t even played yet. The fact that Jags didn’t make it is both a positive and negative. Positive in that the Yankees have some other great players who pushed him off; negative because he hasn’t quite been the polished bat hoped for.

    Second, I love this list more than the ones from recent past years because there is more high-ceiling players. Sanchez used to be one of the few high-potential player, now there are many. On the flip side, these players in the lower levels can have a higher heartbreak rate. (Williams, Mason).

    • LazerTown

      High ceiling is fun. I was never high on Mason, nor JR I will admit. Jagielo wasn’t that bad with the bat, just I think some of his stock being down is due to the fact that many thought he would stick at 3B, and now many question that. 1B prospects need more offense.

  • Vern Sneaker

    The prospects stuff is what got me to RAB early on after a decade or more of Baseball America (in print, no less) and I’m a prospects junkie who can’t get enough of it. This is as good a Top Ten as I’ve seen in quite a while, but I can’t help thinking of the Killer B’s and as recently as last year the Williams/Heathcott/ Austin outfield of the future and so many other wash-outs over the years. Still, I keep on believin’, can’t help myself.

    • RetroRob

      Yes, as I mentioned below, there is a high fail rate, and with the Yankees it seems to have been higher than usual. Hoping that’s in the process of being corrected. I like, for example, what was written about Patterson helping Clarkin, since Patterson is one of the recent changes.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      There’s really no other choice. Even if the fail rate is high, you can’t opt out of playing the game.

    • YakaTanaka

      The variability in outcomes goes in both directions. I mean it’s much more likely to go in the negative drection, but it can go either way.

    • dkidd

      i’m pessimistic about pitchers getting injured (already assume severino will need tis), but i can’t help myself with position players. i’ll be crushed if greg bird isn’t don mattingly

      • blake

        I’ll be devastated if Judge isn’t Giancarlo Stanton….or at least resemble him standing in the box.

        • dkidd

          all rise…

          • blake

            Judge has to pan out…..he just has to….there are too many things to do with his name

            • dkidd

              sterling is at home right now, working on home run call ideas

              • hansdee

                At some point, he’ll have to use, “Here comes the judge.”

    • blake

      prospects are all risky but the low risk guys are generally taken in the top 15 picks……the Yanks never get to pick those players so they have to place their hopes and dreams on the rest…..and the rest have warts that could doom them for the most part.

  • LiamInAlbany

    I’m not sure whether Sanchez falling to #5 is indicative of the good progress in development made by guys like Judge and Severino, or just Gary losing some of his prospect shine.

    I hope it’s the former.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      Former, with a little bit of the new car smell fading away.

    • Vern Sneaker

      Whatever his ranking, he’s for sure a real prospect, but he’s blocked by McCann and will be for a couple of years even if he continues developing in in AAA. Not sure what you’d do with that besides package him in a decent deal.

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        When we signed McCann, there was a lot of talk as to his moving out of catching towards the end of the contract. Still doesn’t line up perfectly but, if they like Sanchez enough, they’ll find a way to figure it out.

        I think Murphy’s the one who’s pretty much fucked as a Yankee.

        • dkidd

          my guess is murphy will be playing for the rays next year

          • Jorge Steinbrenner

            Florida’s a great state for guys who sound like serial killers.

            • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

              and for victims of serial killers coincidentally

            • hansdee

              Got to use that middle name or you’ll never get any cred in that profession.

        • HoopDreams

          Yeah, Murph is probably gone by Christmas

        • Vern Sneaker

          You might be right. I’m thinking that if Torrens is as good as they say, by the end of 2016 he’ll be at AA and Sanchez could become an afterthought. It’ll be fun to see it play out, nice to have the possibilities.

          • Jorge Steinbrenner

            It’s possible. This is the same way people were talking up Sanchez when it was Montero in his spot and Sanchez in Torrens’s spot.

            I specifically remember almost falling out of my chair when Michael Freaking Kay namedropped Sanchez as “possibly being the best of them all” at 18.

            • Alkaline

              You mean..you can’t make a statement like that?

            • Brian J. Lockner

              Sanchez (in my opinion) looks like another Montero – the Yankee’s hype machine builds him up (yes folks like Keith Law etc. certainly validate his quality as a player) but eventually rather than bring him up as our full time catcher, he’ll be packaged and traded, as catchers with some bat have massive value on the trade market. Pineda, for all of his issues, is a legit #1/#2 starter, and his end of the year performance shined. If we can simply get Sanchez to have the kind of sparkle that Montero once had – maybe he can fetch us a Stanton type player (along with 3-4 other pieces, but with Sanchez as the centerpiece).

              • YakaTanaka

                I don’t think it’s a particularly great comparison beyond the surface level.

                • hansdee

                  Well, after all, they are both, (clears throat) Latino.

                  • Brian J. Lockner

                    They are both catchers (something the Yankees like to groom specifically for their trade value). They are both known for their offense more than their defense, with both having negative notes from K. Law on their defensive abilities behind the plate. They both have had reports of attitude problems in AA. They are both in the Yankees system with a more senior catcher in the slot ahead of them (Martin for Montero, McCann for Sanchez.) They are both THE EXACT SAME SIZE and weight (according to BR) both are 6’3 235, making both of them a bit large for catcher. And hey, yeah they’re both Dominican (though that particular similarity never entered my mind, I was more focussed on the simple baseball facts.

                    • chris hines

                      I don’t think Sanchez is as big as Montero, Fangraphs has him listed at 6-2 195 and Gary looks much less massive crouching behind the plate than Montero ever did.

                    • Brian J. Lockner

                      Baseball America lists him at 6′ 3 235… That’s what I was working off of…

                    • chris hines

                      I find it a little suspicious that they’re both listed at the exact same weight and height, it’s likely neither fangraphs nor BR are correct on those heigh/weights. I’d also bet money Montero is bigger than 235 at this point, either way I was simply pointing out that there isn’t a consensuses on how big Sanchez is right now. Either way he looks less massive and more natural behind the plate to me, especially when throwing he’s less labored than Montero was. I never really thought Jesus would stick behind the plate, I’m more optimistic with Sanchez, but that doesn’t mean much since it’s just my opinion.

                    • RetroRob

                      They both had negatives from Klaw and other evaluators about their defense, but they are not the same. Klaw (and pretty much every evaluation I read on Montero) said he would not stick at catcher. They say the opposite of Sanchez. They note his defensive issues, but they believe he can stay at catcher, but recognize he could also move and the bat might be good enough to allow that. In other words, the Sanchez and Montero comparison on defense is not equal.

                    • Wicomico Pinstripes

                      Yep.

                    • Brian J. Lockner

                      Have you ever heard of a ‘comp’? I’m not saying they are identical, I’m saying they are similar. By splitting hairs as you are, you’re proving the point. Yes, one guy had almost no shot at catcher while the other will be a liability but will probably stick for a time before pulling a V-Mart. I never said Sanchez was a clone of Montero, I said their situation was comparable. And if I knew you I’d gladly wager money on the fact that I’m right. Sanchez will get a call up maybe next year, play some number of games and be traded mid season, or the following year.

                • Brian J. Lockner

                  Don’t want to be spamming, so please see my response to hansdee below. if you don’t see the clear comp that’s up to you, but I do.

                  • YakaTanaka

                    Yes, I will search high and far for your comments!

                    They are not totally disimilar. They’re big guys, hit for power, and Montero faked C in the minors. Plus they’re Yankees farm hands just a few years apart. Plus they’re Latino (if you’re into racial comparisons for whatever reason).

                    It’s not a particularly good or meaningful comparison, though. Sanchez is a much more legitimate C defensively and not nearly the hitting prospect.

                    That the Yankees did one thing with Montero is only so relevant to what they’ll do with Sanchez.

                    Sorry if any of that hurt your head.

              • Jorge Steinbrenner

                I can’t take any of the Stanton stuff seriously. Sorry.

                I don’t particularly get the sense that the org themselves has the concerns over Sanchez than they seemed to with Montero. Montero just seemed to be dangled constantly in trade rumors.

                • Brian J. Lockner

                  I agree – Stanton is 99% a pipe dream, that’s why i added ‘type player’. But we need some outfield pop right now – and if we could put together a group of players with Sanchez as the headliner to get a strong young outfielder, i’m all for it.

                • Brian J. Lockner

                  I also agree -we haven’t heard the constant drumbeat of trade rumors for Sanchez that we did with Montero… but he had a bit of a down year this past year, so let’s see what happens going forward.

                  • chris hines

                    Not sure I’d call a 21 year old catching prospect with a 108 wRC+ in AA, while reportedly improving on almost every facet of defense a “down year”. It’s not a monster year but it seems right in line with the development you should expect from a 20 year old who posted a 108 wRC+ in A+ the year before.

            • dave_8

              Yep, a much better catcher with a Montero-like bat. Well, he certainly hasn’t hit like Montero did at those levels. And please don’t worry about blocking. No one in blocked. And in my book, he’s extremely touchable in trade talks.

          • YakaTanaka

            If “they” is BA… They say Sanchez is a better prospect than Torrens.

        • YakaTanaka

          Don’t know about that. Possible. Also possible they move Cervelli and Murphy is in a great position to start proving himself. He’d have Sanchez behind him, but Sanchez is hardly a sure thing (like any prospect).

      • YakaTanaka

        Possibly break him in as a backup, getting him and McCann both some DH and maybe even 1B PAs as well. C is a unique position where an apprentice year can be especially valuable. With defensive and maturity questions it might be almost necessary for Sanchez.

      • Coolerking101

        Meh. Sanchez is still very young. They can ease him into the lineup in 2016 and hand him the job in 2017 the same way they did for Jorge. As others have noted, it’s Romine and Murphy who are really blocked.

      • RetroRob

        I can see a very orderly progression to the majors for Sanchez where he is not blocked by McCann. He is going to be in AAA all of 2015, as he should be. That’s year two of McCann. For year three in 2016, Sanchez could and probably will start the season in AAA and then come up midway to basically apprentice under McCann. For 2017, they could split time, and if Sanchez’s bat progresses, they can find time for both of them between catching and DHing. I wouldn’t worry about the last year of McCann’s contract. If Sanchez does his job, it will take care of itself.

        Writing this, though, I wonder if Sanchez will ever even play for the Yankees. With a potentially even better prospect coming in Torrens, and the strong defense and potential solid bat of Murphy at AAA, they may decide to move Sanchez this winter as part of a package to fill another need, such as SS.

  • Jack
    • Brian J. Lockner

      BIIIIIIG KID.

      • Alkaline

        HR Call- Judge, Jury, Executioner. He killed that one!

        • Brian J. Lockner

          hahahah too aggressive for Sterling, and he can’t sing it but i’m all for it! Or – Mike passes Judgement on that pitch!

  • PerfectlyCromulent

    I’m going to say, that these lists are fun for people like us. sometimes they are spot on with some players. But rarely are they ultra predictive. Just look at this page from 2010.

    http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/organization-top-10-prospects/2011/2610907.html

    If you look at their top prospects of the decade for New York, its littered with guys who flamed out, never included Cano (best player to come out of the yankees system maybe since Jeter) and their projected 2014 lineup includes Gary Sanchez – C, Heathcott – CF, Nunez – SS, Montero – DH, Betances, Banuelos, and Hector Noesi in the rotation, and Brackmonster as the closer.

    they did get one thing right though, Dellin has the best fast ball.

    • blake

      well they didn’t count on the Yankees “never giving kids a chance”

    • YakaTanaka

      Yes, there is a ton of variability with prospects.

      Cano came up in 2005. Of course he was not in their 2010 farm system rankings. He was #2 in the system when he was actually a prospect.

      • PerfectlyCromulent

        Right, but there was a side bar in the link with the top prospects for the previous 10 years, and Cano was never awarded that distinction, but clearly became the best player to come out of the farm system in forever. that list includes guys like Eric Duncan, Drew Henson, and Dionar Navarro. Navarro at least turned into a sometimes useful MLB player, only because catchers are so hard to find, not because he was so good.

        • YakaTanaka

          Cano was #2 in 2005, #6 in 2004 and 2003.

          Again, yes, there is variability with prospects. I think everyone here knows that to some extent.

    • blake

      Nunez at SS…..lol.

      • Xero524

        Not only that, but rated as the best defender…lol wut

        • chris hines

          To be fair he didn’t have trouble getting to the ball so much as getting the ball to first base, which is an… odd problem to say the least.

          • blake

            oh he could get to balls ok…..it was just then then they either deflected off his chin or were caught and thrown over the 1B head.

    • LazerTown

      The projected lineup is always just a fun exercise. The rest isn’t too bad though. those top prospects of the decade, Johnson was a pretty good hitter. He didn’t fail as a prospect one bit, just injuries. Contreras had a longish career, Navarro still a regular mlb player, Duncan flamed, Hughes/Joba/Jackson all still are regulars, and Montero netted us Pineda who is a regular.

    • RetroRob

      That projected lineup lists for all the teams is a joke. They tie it mostly to their prospect rankings. Also, at no point was Nunez a legit prospect. They were too aggressive on the timing of Sanchez. On the flip side going back through the years, they way underestimated a Gardner and Cano, or for that fact Wang. The same will happen here. Many of these guys are going to flame out, and there are other players who will make the majors not even listed yet. Still have to like the list, though.

    • Bo Knows

      Injuries play a huge factor, look at he list, you’ll notice a lot of guys who fell out due to injuries.

  • Frittoman626

    So where do you guys predict Severino, Judge, and the others will rank on the Top 100 Prospects list?

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      My guess? If you want to be bullish, 25-50 range. Higher probability? 50-75 range for both.

    • blake

      It’ll vary some….I could see Severino on somebody’s top 30 but I’d guess they are in general in the 50-60 range on average.

    • RetroRob

      Bird’s ranking is interesting. Sanchez has been ranked as one of BA’s top 100 prospects for four straight years, including twice in the top fifty, coming in at #35 heading into 2014. As he’s about to be promoted to AAA and could very well see some time in the majors towards the end of 2015, I don’t see anyway he could slip from #35 to being entirely out of the top 100. I’m very surprised by the Bird ranking here. Not that I’m not high on him, but I know the barrier to getting a 1B’man on the top 100 list, and he only played a short time in AA. So either Sanchez has suffered a total collapse in BA’s estimation, or there will be five Yankees on BA’s top 100.

  • Troy

    Just wish the Yankees had spent big on the Latin teens in 2012 like they did in 2014 so they would probably be 2 years closer to a cheaper, younger, and better team but the future is looking up.

    • YakaTanaka

      Takes a few years of planning to corner the market the way the Yankees did. Would have been almost impossible the first year of a new system.

  • RetroRob

    A few additional random thoughts. I might flip Severino and Judge in the top two spots. I’d have Sanchez #3. I’m excited by Mateo making the list that high, yet I think it’s too high at this point. Bird should be below Sanchez. I would not have dropped Jags from the top ten for Andujar at this point in time. Refsynder above Clarkin. BA does go more for the high ceiling guys, but even at that I’d do a bit of rearranging. Still an exciting list.

    And, as I noted below, I can’t see anyway that BA drops Sanchez from their top 100 list, where he’s been for four straight years, including #35 last year. I can only read that to mean the Yankees will have five players on their top 100 list.

  • BillyBall

    I’m a huge proponent of a strong farm with the right coaches to get the most out of the talent drafted. I love the homegrown player and most fans gravitate towards them as well. Saying that I would only consider one trade and it would be for only one shortstop, Troy Tulowitzki.

    But I would never surrender the farm for him. I would consider trading one of the young catchers, a quality arm not named Severino in the minors, and maybe a few other rookies not named Jorge Mateo, Aaron judge, and Ian Clarkin.

    I know we have no clue what Tulo we are getting with his hip surgery, I also know we have to eat remaining 100 plus million owed, I also know he is 30yo and will be 31yo by next seasons end but he is the cream of the crop and a perfect candidate to replace A-Rod at third in 2 years which may keep him healthy and on the field more.

    So in sum I would not risk any high end talent and I know many will say that we will not get him but consider this, he has supposedly asked Colorado ownership to trade him to a contender and he has not masked the fact that he wants to be a Yankee, he is also owed allot of money and is always injured so I think Colorado may take a lesser return with the money owed and the history of injuries.

    Will a package of Sanchez (catcher), Andujar (3rd base), Abital Avlino (SS), and Austin (OF) get it done.

    Some may laugh and say no way, a few may say that is way too much to give up for a guy never on the field.

    Sanchez still has not developed enough with the mitt even though he really looks like a plus with the bat (reminds me a little bit of Manny with the bat flip and pure power stroke).

    Andujar has load of talent and will probably remain at 3rd base but he is a project in of itself.

    Avalino has top notch glove, will stick at SS, decent bat, slap hitter.

    Austin is what he is, good bat, most likely a very viable 4th OF and perhaps more if he continues to develop.

    I think losing Sanchez would be the hardest part but getting a superstar at a premium position is worth it and than moving him to 3rd and developing Mateo makes a hell of allot of sense.