Brian Cashman on next Yankees captain: “Captaincy should be retired with No. 2”

Jimmy Rollins contradicts himself about willingness to join Yankees
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With Derek Jeter now retired, the Yankees are without a captain for the first time since 2003. And since Robinson Cano bolted for the Mariners last year, there is no obvious captain candidate on the roster either. That’s alright. The Yankees have gone years between captains before and they’ll do it again.

If it was up to Brian Cashman though, there would be no next captain. During a radio interview on Thursday he said he believes the team’s captaincy should be retired alongside Jeter. From Bill Price:

“As far as I’m concerned, and I’m not to decision maker on this, that captaincy should be retired with No. 2,” Cashman said. “I wouldn’t give up another captain’s title to anyone else.”

“Leadership comes in a lot of forms, it would be a hard one to anoint someone captain,” Cashman continued, “regardless of how great they might be.”

That … seems a little excessive. But, then again, the majority of the Jeter lovefest has been over the top, so this fits right in. Jeter was undeniably a tremendous player and leader, but at some point another tremendous player and leader will come along, and he will be deserving of the captaincy. I man, geez. Retire the concept of Yankees’ captaincy?

Anyway, captaincy isn’t up to Cashman, that’s an ownership call. The Yankees went seven and a half years without a captain between Don Mattingly and Jeter — not to mention 37 years between Lou Gehrig and Thurman Munson — and it looks like it’ll be several years before another captain emerges. I’m cool with that. Captains should be all-time greats, like Jeter. The captaincy shouldn’t cease to exist because of him though. Sheesh.

Jimmy Rollins contradicts himself about willingness to join Yankees
Open Thread: March 5th Camp Notes
  • captainmike

    I don’t really think this affects the fans in any way I can think of.

    • Cogen777

      It hasn’t affected me today, and I knew about it at least a couple of hours ago. Good to know you’re still at the helm, anyway.

  • JaR45

    There should be no pressure to name the next captain. It took 8 years from Donnie Baseball’s retirement before Jeter was named captain. The next captain will eventually step up and earn the title, just like Jeter did.

  • cashmoney

    Meh.

  • Need Pitching & Hitting

    I think this is more about Cashman not wanting a captain in general than it has anything to do with Jeter.

  • Moncada’s Codpiece

    It’s his opinion, but I think the captaincy would be part of the Mystique and Aura of the Yankees, even if they have to go some time between Jeter and the next. Might as well keep that going if you’re going to keep retiring numbers.

  • cashmoney

    Just noticed this is tagged under horrendously stupid, personally I like to see Cashman ascend the sears tower than worry about captaincy.

    • Moncada’s Codpiece

      IETC. Hadn’t noticed that. Then looked into the tagged posts. Good times.

  • Game 3

    Anyone else getting taken to some other weird hip hop site after posting comments?

    • Cogen777

      No. I don’t plan on going anywhere tonight. You don’t care for hip hop in general, or just don’t like weird hip hop?

  • Dalek Jeter

    It should be all time greats who are also great leaders, obviously. For example, Mickey Mantle, one of the greatest talents ever, would’ve been a terrible captain.

    • cashmoney

      I picture mickey as fun buddy to have a few drinks and on about on an adventure together.

      • Literally Figurative

        And in some ways, you need a few scalliwags around to liven things up, to be the counterweight to the straight and narrow

        • cashmoney

          Different time and different culture, I don’t know what would have constituted leadership at his time, jane leavy gave a good background in her bio. homogeny is boring.

          • Literally Figurative

            Yeah i know what you mean.

            Even the teams in the 90s had their share of loose cannons and fun lovers. Cone, wells, oneill, even Graeme Lloyd for the fight with baltimore.

            A team full of jeters would be as fun to cover as a hitler youth rally.

      • Dalek Jeter

        Exactly. Mickey is the dude you go out drinking with and wind up hitting golf balls from CF and trying to hit the press box.

  • Deathstroke Heathcott

    Sir Didi: Look at me. Look at me.

  • Dan A.

    This is a total non-story in my opinion. The Captaincy isn’t going to be retired. There were no Captains between Gehrig and Munson, and then there were captains most season between Munson and now. Cashman is pretty much saying there won’t be a captain again for a while, and that’s fine. Most people have assumed there won’t be a captain for the next 10 years anyway.

  • dickylarue

    Any truth to the rumor Arod is legally changing his first name to “Captain”?

  • dave_8

    Who cares? Captains emerge or they don’t. The anointing step comes last.

  • Still Stucky

    Is it just me, or was there a baseball game played today? Chase Headley? Jimmy Rollins, this non-issue?

    Weird.

  • Literally Figurative

    Funny how he makes this statement after future captain yoan moncada signs elsewhere…..

    WE ARE NOT WORTHY!

  • Literally Figurative

    This captaincy bs is so overdone it borders on absurdity.

    The team won 4 rings in the 90s without a captain . Should they give the trophies back? It’s just a ceremonial thing that has no real weight on a team.

    • Pete22

      Since Jeter was made Captain they won only 1 championship in 12 years after winning 4 rings in 7 years

      • Deathstroke Heathcott

        So you’re telling me in the next 7 year the Yankees will win 4 rings with Andrew Miller, Chase Headley, Dellin Betances, and Robert Refsnyder winning a WS MVP each after which Refsnyder gets named captain and quietly refuses to shift off of 2B for multiple-MVP winning Yoan Moncada who gets traded to the Yankees? And then they’ll only win 1 more championship for the rest of Refsnyder’s career? Is this how things work?

        • Literally Figurative

          Lmfao. The refsnyder/moncada fued.

  • Pete22

    Captains are picked by owners, so not sure how much players care or respect it. Obviously, the player chosen is pretty good, so he has respect on the field. Really a non-story as there is nobody who fits the bill as a replacement. Maybe Moncada down the line, oh wait….

    How many captains are there in all of baseball now, less than a handful I think.

  • Mike Darwin

    I think I get it – there have been plenty of leaders in the clubhouse without anyone wearing the crown. Even in the Jeter days, we know Jorge was often as much a leader as Jeets. And it seems to me that most teams get by without an officially designated Cap’n, so if someone, including Cash, doesn’t think an official coronation is unnecessary, I wouldn’t argue. But some of us like the idea, and it works a little in marketing a player. In the end, whether or not we have another captain will probably mean very little to the long term viability of the franchise.

  • CashmanNinja

    I understand not throwing the captain title around just for the sake of having a “captain”, but to retire it all together is stupid. I’m fine with them not giving it out for a long time — until someone truly earns it, but they shouldn’t just let it retire with Jeter. Hell, Jeter wasn’t even the greatest Yankee captain. Imagine if they had retired it when Thurman died. Leave it open for now until someone earns it.

  • Pkyankfan69

    Brain dead comment from cash… So if a future home grown Yankee starts OPSing 1.000+ every year and proves himself a tremendous leader they won’t make him captain because Derek Jeter?

    https://33.media.tumblr.com/75da628304de4be98fe8da08edc45942/tumblr_mg6w1hFEwg1rvw1m2o1_400.gif

    • OldYanksFan

      Well…. he’ll sorta be Captain.
      Except they’ll call him ‘The Jeter’.

    • Need Pitching & Hitting

      Doubt it has anything to do with Jeter. Jeter’s just a ready-made excuse for possibly not naming a captain anytime soon.

    • Pete22

      Cash likely won’t be here to see it, his head is on the block if this year is a bust and any of the top 3 prospects become busts

  • Deep Thoughts

    He was just lighting a fire under Murphy, Austin, and Judge.

  • HoopDreams
  • Andrew_Jackson_Pollock

    What a bizarre statement. Maybe it’s his way of ensuring no one will ask about a new captain again anytime soon.

  • just_add_bacon7

    No future captains?

    • Moncada’s Codpiece

      It does take Scott Bakula out of the running.

  • RetroRob

    This feels a bit like standard Cashman-speak trying to diffuse a question he keeps getting asked, but in this case he might accomplish just the opposite. With Jeter retired, the nonsense of the Captain-less Yankees, seemingly Michael Kay’s new obsession, keeps popping up, mostly because it’s the first year without Jeter and it’s spring training. It really is an honorary title, but hardly a necessity. Cashman may be hoping to “retire” it as a topic, perhaps taking notice of how the Yankees successfully killed it off after Gehrig’s passing. Maybe he’s hoping to kill it off again by using Jeter’s special status. Yet he knows he can’t kill it and won’t kill it. He just wants to topic to go away.

    • Moncada’s Codpiece

      Indeed, why the crap is this even a question? If the Yankees want to name someone captain, they will.

      • RetroRob

        You could be a beat writer, but not a tabloid sports writer! You have to leave too much intelligence behind.

        The Yankees won twelve World Series championships between Gehrig and Munson, thirteen if you include 1939 when Gehrig was already gone from the team. Steinbrenner brought the Captain’s title back as much for marketing as other reasons, just as he started retiring numbers, some questionably. It’s all about myth making.

        Mattingly was revered as much Jeter, but the team went 7 1/2 seasons before naming Jeter as the new Captain. The entire dynasty of the mid-90s to early aughts had no official Captain. Another four titles without a Captain. That’s 16 (or 17) without a Captain. The Yankees have won more World Championships without an official Captain.

        Yup, the title is nonsense.

        • Moncada’s Codpiece

          That’s a horrendous insult on the mind of a tabloid sports writer if even I have to leave a lot of intellect behind at the door. Still, I could get used to throwing inane questions for more money and an easier life.

        • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

          Part of the reason they won was because they had an unofficial Captain in Jeter all along. They just crowned him after the fact.

      • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

        Exactly why he opened his mouth.

    • Pete22

      The futures uncertain and scary. So they keep trying to bring back the ghosts of the glory days while hyping the kids for the future, anything but to dwell on the present. This is a way to keep Jeters name on Kays lips and have him continue as the face of the Yankees, even if he is a ghost. If the Yankees start off slow, they can blame it on losing the Captain and not on a poor offseason due to Hal is cheap. And if thats not enough, we get to see some more numbers retired.

    • Cogen777

      Slow day.

    • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

      Again, he’s sending the message to the hairbrains who might decide they need a new Capt. There’s none in sight….

  • Bronx_Boy

    Cashman’s a Jeter fan-boy. Can you blame him?

  • Alkaline

    Horrendously stupid is one of my favorite tags ever.

    • Dalek Jeter

      I was just about to say, I was scrolling through it, oh man some of the articles. Pinetargazhi, Drewgate, the Rodriguez/Levine Emails, Hal’s stupid 189 comments, and going deep Kabak and Joe Pal calling out McCarver, Giuliani (for rooting for the Sox), and TBS (for leading out of the 07 ALDS with Sex and the City).

    • Cogen777

      It really says it all, doesn’t it?

    • RetroRob

      I wanted to see how far back that tag has been used, and there is one from 2007 from Joe that states, “Why I continue to acknowledge writers like Bill Madden, I’ll never know.” Madden was mocking Austin Jackson, I guess figuring he’d never make the major leagues. Wrong again.

      I posted a clip from the 1980s a few months back where Madden was interviewed during a rain delay touting the great deal the Yankees made by trading away a marginal pitching prospect with no future for Steve Trout. The marginal pitching prospect was Bob Tewksbury, who would go on to win a 110 MLB games. Steve Trout won zero games for the Yankees.

      Madden has never understood baseball, but he has mastered the “art” of being a tabloid writer.

  • Kentucky Bomber

    How can the Yankees go without a captain? From the time Gehrig died till Munson was named the team went completely into the toilet. But I digress…I think Cash was probably referring to the parade of “captains for the sake of having a captain” that came between Munson and Jeter. A leader will emerge one of these days. I would be wonderful if it were one of the kids we have now. If it takes a decade for him to show up, so be it.

    • Cogen777

      How do you figure the team went completely in the toilet between Gehrig’s death to Munson being named Captain? Without looking it up I can count at least 11 World Series titles during that stretch.

      • Kentucky Bomber

        Oh my gosh! Really? Wow. So much for irony.

        • Too Many Idiots

          18 AL pennants and 12 WS championships between LG and Munson.

      • Literally Figurative

        You need to feed the sarcasm meter before you get a ticket.

  • blake

    Perhaps there is another motive here from Cashman….it would be to honor Jeter sure ..but maybe it would also prevent having to deal with another aging captain and how that goes.

    Everybody loves Jeter ….but it did get to a point where he was more powerful than Cashman was comfortable with and maybe he doesn’t want that to happen again ….or something like it

    • Game 3

      Great minds.

  • Game 3

    The media would have a field day if they didn’t extend their ‘captain’ for too many years and $ in the future.
    Maybe they learned their lesson.

  • blake

    I believe Jeter was only the captain for 1 of the 5 titles they won during his career…..it doesn’t have much to do with winning

    • Cogen777

      It doesn’t. Its been only recently that I’ve even thought of it.

    • RetroRob

      Yup. 2009.

      As I noted below, 17 of the Yankees 27 titles have been captain-less (16 if you want to include ’39 under Iron Lou’s watch, which is fair.)

    • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

      He was the unofficial Capt years before that.

  • gageagainstthemachine

    Cashman: “I wouldn’t give up another captain’s title to anyone else.”

    Judge: *clears his throat*

    Cashman: “Obviously, I meant to add ‘this upcoming season’ at the end of that sentence…”

  • blake

    @JeffPassan: Sources: Serious concern Cuban IF Hector Olivera has damaged UCL and could need Tommy John surgery. News at Y Sports: http://t.co/974guOSxYj

    We he won’t be the next captain for sure now

    • RetroRob

      That will suck for Olivera since there were talks of a $60-70 MM deal.

      More curious about Ibanez. I don’t think the Yankees were going to step up for Olivera since that would hit the MLB roster and luxury tax. Ibanez would be great depth in case Refsnyder fails or turns out to be more of a bench player. Whether he turns out better is a question, but he is regarded as a better prospect than Refsnyder.

      It’s interesting how quiet the Ibanez camp has been.

  • LazerTown

    You don’t need to have a captain to have a leader of the team. I believe the only 2 teams with one last year were Konerko and Jeter, both now retired. It’s just an honorary title, if we don’t got anyone like Jeter, then who cares we don’t need one.

    • Game 3

      I think it’s more than an honorary title for the Yankees. It’s a blank check to destroy their payroll and lineup (ala Jeter).

  • pasqua

    It feels so ridiculous to even debate this. Who cares? If an incredible clubhouse leader and on-field talent materialized from the heavens (or slowly developed over the course of years) would that player’s leadership and talents be any less valuable because he doesn’t have a “C” attached to his name? Do we actually believe that a title has any true impact on a team’s (or individual’s) performance?

    • OldYanksFan

      Dunno. You would have to ask The Captain…

    • insidethescoreboard

      No and no. But it’s an epic tradition in baseball, and particularly on this team, a massive honor to the player who receives it. Jeter created so many huge moments in NYY history and it was right and fitting that he received the title. It may take another 40 years for a player to come along who is worthy of it, so be it, but it should be preserved as a way to honor a truly remarkable leader.

  • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

    Cashman won’t be here when the Yanks pick their next Captain.
    He just wants to make sure they don’t do something stupid and pick another one too soon.

    • RetroRob

      …and he also doesn’t want to be asked the question because it’s pointless. Jeter was in his 9th season, one that was clearly already on a HOF path and had four World Series rings before they named him captain. We won’t see another captain for another decade plus, which is why Cashman want’s nothing to do with the question.

      • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

        We Remember: Derek Jeter Pulling off ‘The Flip’ to Save the …
        bleacherreport.com/…/1805403-we-remember-derek-jete…
        Bleacher Report
        Oct 9, 2013 – On October 13, 2001, Derek Jeter secured his place in baseball history as a winner with his backhanded flip to Jorge Posada in the seventh …

        They named him Capt. for good reason.

  • insidethescoreboard

    On road trips to the city during college we would often hit McSorley’s Old Ale House on E. 7th St. They have a sign over the bar: “We were here before you were born.” McSorley’s has been there since before the Civil War, so that sign would have been true even in say, 1939. Cashman is indeed being horrendously stupid and should realize that there were Yankee Captains before he and Jeter’s grandparents were born and there should be the possibility of Yankee Captains forever, if worthy candidates come along.

    • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

      Why would anyone take Cashman literally?
      Of course there will be other Captains, just not on his watch.
      Not that he has a choice if some bigwig gets a hairbrain idea to name McCann or Ellsbury Captain in the near future.
      Pretty smart if you ask me…

      • insidethescoreboard

        Right. As you said, it’s not his decision anyway, so why say anything? We all know what Jeter meant to the team.

        • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

          He got his message out there in his subliminal way.

  • Sports Guy

    Greg Bird for captain 2020

  • W.B. Mason Williams

    Bald Vinny for Captain

  • kikojones

    And the blind deification of St. Derek continues…

  • BearNJ

    The Yankees have decided they are going to trade Didi and play without a shortstop because no one is worthy to play the position.

  • Wave Your Hat

    From now on, only Lieutenants.

  • ChuckIt

    i understand the misguided thinking behind Cashmans’ (UN) rationale, that Jeter was foundation of an era that made Cashman a name for himself. But if my memory serves me correctly, the core 4, Bernie Williams, & Paul Oneal were all players that can be found on Gene Micheals’ resume.