Poll: Next in Line for Fifth Starter

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So Chris Capuano suffered a grade 2 quad strain this afternoon, which means he’ll be out for many weeks — certainly opening the season on the DL. That opens the door for another pitcher to make the staff, whether it’s a starter or a reliever who pushes someone from the pen to the rotation.

Who do you think should be the fifth starter to open the season? The Yankees only need one three times in April, but considering they’ve contemplated a six-man rotation, chances are they’re not going to skip the fifth starter early in the season. This can be a big opportunity for someone to step up and earn a full-time rotation spot. It’s not as though the Yankees are wed to Capuano.

Please note that we purposely left off Luis Severino. We assume he’d have won the poll in a landslide. If he shows evaluators that he’s ready to make the big leap, he might get his chance. But the odds are against it, given that he has just 25 innings above A ball.

Perhaps the better question is, who will win the fifth starter job?

Who will win the fifth starter job?

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  • SweetSpot

    Warren in a landslide as far as I am concerned. We have plenty of other bullpen assets.

    • TheEvilUmpire

      If he flops, we just go to the next man in line and he deepens the pen.

  • Centaur Hips

    Fuck it. 4 man rotation.

  • blake

    Hole Camels!

  • blake

    I’d like to see Mitchell win it because I think he has the most upside of that group…..I don’t think Warren is a starter personally and think he’s where he belongs in the pen…..Whitley showed last year that he can hold it down for awhile so I’m thinking he might have the inside track …..

  • Jose Pireddardela

    You mean who’s in line for the 4th spot in the rotation. CC is 5th starter with this 5 ERA. And I think the 4th starter should be Warren. I actually think Warren is better than CC and Capuano and should be starting regardless of Capuano’s injury. Esmil is a long man. I’m not too high on Whitley. Mitchell can go back to AAA and be the 6th starter.

  • http://www.swiftmodders.com/ John

    Maybe I’m the only one who thinks it, but I think Esmil Rogers might win it. I don’t know why, but he looks pretty different out there. Hopefully he takes a leap forward. If that doesn’t work we can always trade for Cole Hamels (Oooooooooooooooo boy).

    • blake

      He’s got the stuff….it’s just the aiming it part

  • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

    someone from outside the organization…..bring back Sweaty Freddy!

  • Jorge Steinbrenner

    While I know he had a shit day today, I do think it’ll be Mitchell when the dust settles…..or Kole Hammmels.

    • blake

      If it’s not Camels I hope it’s Mitchell…..he’s got the biggest upside of that bunch by a lot

  • Game 3

    Can we add ‘I don’t know’ as an option? Because…I don’t know. I haven’t seen a single inning or heard anything about who is doing well or not. Also, it’s too early to know who’s actually doing well or not.

    • Centaur Hips

      I think Igawa should be an option. He holds a ton of AAA records for the organization. It’s really amazing. He deserves a shot. I’m sure he would be posted if we offered enough.

  • Pat M

    Blake, not certain as to why Cashman is doing this nonsense fox trot with Amaro, just make the deal happen. Unless of course the Paps part of the deal is true ….

    • bernbabybern

      We don’t need Hamels, roll the dice with Tanaka, Pineda and Eovaldi.

      • Pat M

        Tanaka, I refer you to Dice-K and Yu Darvish. Yanks need another solid arm if they are to make a legit run at The AL East Title. Along with good health and they’re the club to beat…

    • http://www.swiftmodders.com/ John

      I think Cashman doesn’t have the amount of interest the media is making it out to be. I think he did his part in checking in and seeing what a package would look like, then said “ok, thanks for the info”. There were some reports from some Phillies beat guys that the Yankees are making a “strong” push and the Phillies like Gary Sanchez, but until one of the big guys reports it, nah.

    • Havok9120

      I’m not sure emptying the farm system for Hamels is the most logical response to losing Capuano for a month or two.

    • blake

      I can make the case for and against doing it as I’ve done the last couple of days….depends on who has to go in the deal….because there is a point where it makes more sense to wait and 1) see if you actually need pitching 2) go after someone you can get for just money.

      and as much as I can’t stand Papelbon…..I’d take him if it meant not including judge or Severino.

      • Havok9120

        There’s also a point where sacrificing much of anything to try and salvage 2015 becomes unwise.

        People that think we’ve got not legitimate chance at the division right now really shouldn’t be so interested in Hamels. One pitcher, even of his quality, does not put us over the top if Tanaka or Pineda go down.

        • Pat M

          The NY Yankees are in the business of winning ballgames and putting asses in the seats of their very expensive ball field. Cole fills the bill on both counts. If they were so worried about the future then they should have traded Cano, Granderson and Hughes before they bolted town……

          • Havok9120

            Except dismantling the team in 2012 or 2013, when we had legitimate shots at the playoffs but were clearly at the end of the win cycle, would have been silly, both in general and for a team “in the business of winning.” Plus, Hughes was terrible by the time he was leaving town, Granderson was hurt (twice), and Cano was the entire offense while we were two games out of the wild card. That’s not to mention that there would have been a march on the Stadium
            if the FO had blown it up during the last years of the Dynasty players.

            But even setting all that aside, as I know it’s a divisive issue, you cannot reasonably argue that not looking to the future earlier may have been silly AND that looking to the future now is also silly. We are far less of a “win now” or “hold the line and wait for guys to recover from injury” position now than we were two years ago.

  • El Duque

    I would bet a whole camel on Cole Hamels.

  • Still Stucky

    Aaron Judge.

    Hitters will be so intimated he can throw in underhanded and they’ll bail out of the box.

  • Centaur Hips

    I want to say Mitchell, but from this (he’s #14) his control and lack of a good change up is just too concerning.

    http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2015?list=nyy

  • RetroRob

    I went with Warren. I’m not convinced he’s a good enough pitcher to be a MLB starter for the season, but I’m also not unconvinced either that he couldn’t hold down the 5th spot. Since the Yankees have a lot of depth in the pen, let’s see what Warren can do. If he doesn’t have it, back to the pen. If he does, he’s more valuable starting. Next in line is Mitchell.

  • bernbabybern

    Would be cool if it was Severino, but I think it will be Rogers or Warren.

  • YankeeFan™

    I’ll go with Warren.

  • Mustang and The 2015 Upsiders

    The season has not even starter and they are already getting into the back-ups for the 5th starter spot…SMH

    1- This team is sooooo done if any of the front 4 in the rotation goes to the DL for any extended period of time.

    2- I can’t sell my tickets to this season fast enough…LOL

    Question- Capuano’s 5MM contract is only guaranteed if he makes the team coming out of Spring training so what happens if he on the DL or if he comes off the DL, but they don’t have enough time to evaluate him?

    • RetroRob

      Better they’re trying to fill the 5th starter slot with the 6th starter (who could end up better than the original 5th starter), than trying to fill the 1st starter slot with the 6th starter. : -)

    • Mustang and The 2015 Upsiders

      Capuano is a good 5th at 36….blah…blah….blah…. he is good enough to get them to the trading deadline where they can trade for an upgrade…..blah…..blah….blah.
      Dude can’t even make out Spring Training.

      PICTHING, PITCHING, AND STARTING PITCHING !!!!!

      • Havok9120

        You realize that his injury doesn’t actually negate any of those arguments, right?

        • Centaur Hips

          I’m not sure why he’s even arguing it. It’s been the position players that have killed the team recently.

          • Mustang and The 2015 Upsiders

            And every year is exactly like the last.
            And they did address the position players what they didn’t address was the starting pitching.

            • Centaur Hips

              They addressed both. Got Headley, Didi and Eovaldi. The offense still doesn’t look great. The rotation would be pretty good if healthy.

              I don’t know what you were expecting honestly. Did you want them to sign the often injured McCarthy or Anderson? Trade the entire farm and take on Hamels’ contract? Give a bad contract to a big name out there?

              • Mustang and The 2015 Upsiders

                I expected them to do better then Capuano as 5th starter I don’t think that asking too much.

                • Centaur Hips

                  I really think you’re making too much of it. He’s close to a league average pitcher. For a measly $5M that’s actually a good deal.

                  • Mustang and The 2015 Upsiders

                    Ok. Well right now he is not even that is he.

                • Havok9120

                  Like who?

                  • Mustang and The 2015 Upsiders

                    I’m not going to make this into a 500 comment section on me give you names and you tell me why they couldn’t get that person. We all did that his off season…LOL
                    Regardless is fruitless since we don’t know what Cashman had or has on his table.

                    The New York Yankees have said that Chris Capuano is the best they can do as a 5th starter I disagree they win.
                    LOL

                • Dalek Jeter

                  “I expected them to do better than a 5th starter as the 5th starter” well, I’d like for them to have Miller, Betances, Robertson, K-Rod and MFIKY in the same bullpen, but that’s just not feasible.

                  • Havok9120

                    Better bring Mo out of retirement, too. No one you named is a “real” closer. Because reasons.

                  • Mustang and The 2015 Upsiders

                    Robertson was feasible, but not done.
                    Asking for something better then Capuano is not like asking to fill my entire wish list.

                • Centaur Hips

                  To me, a good rotation has 3 or preferably 4 good SPs, partially because that’s what will be needed for the postseason. Anything more than that is a luxury. The 5th guy is mostly there to eat some innings if possible and not get lit up. And if he goes down like Cap just did, he’s pretty easily replaced. And like I said, he’s not horrible either.

                  • Mustang and The 2015 Upsiders

                    Agree, but when they have as many questions as this rotation has it might been better to strength it a bit more.
                    I’m done with this “uncle” already…..LOL

        • Mustang and The 2015 Upsiders

          He can’t do any of those things from the trainers room. Which is where 36 year old journey man types usually end up.

          • Havok9120

            One, that was not in any way your argument against Capuano during the offseason. So let’s not move the goalposts from “I’m worried what’ll happen when he needs to be the #2 or #3, not his performance as a #5” to “I knew he’d get hurt!”

            Two, what kind of pitchers are you thinking usually make up the 5 spot in the rotation? It’s kids, journeymen, and reclamation projects. There’s another team in the division counting on a pair of reclamation projects to fill their #3 and #4 spots. Sure, we all would have liked to see more pitching given the injury potential at the top of the rotation, but pitching cost a crap ton and came with a host of red flags this offseason. That’s in addition to the fact that offense is so down around the league that pitching has become fairly easy to find.

            You’re standing on a ledge over Chris Capuano.

            • Mustang and The 2015 Upsiders

              I can see why to think I’m moving the goalpost, but I’m really not.
              Yes, I worried about the 2 or 3 being filled by Capuano, but the facts that he is 36 years old and was so bad that the Yankees basically pick him out of landfill didn’t escape me either.
              Maybe I didn’t express it at the time but i hated/hate the entire Capuano project from 2/3 coverage to 5th starter.

              I kind of agree with part 2, but neither you or I know what was on the table for Cashman. At the very least i would think they might of been something out there with a bit more upside.
              I’m not standing on a ledge with Capuano but the Capuano chicken has come home to roost.
              Its a bit early to be going into the reservers but lets just see how they react.

              • Havok9120

                That’s fair then. I probably just misunderstood (or missed outright) some of your misgivings.

                My thing is: we know what the prices for the FAs were. And, yeah, maybe there were one or two guys at the Capuano rate that I liked more than him. But, mostly, guys were signing for way more than I was willing to pay for their services. And even the ones that were signing for roughly his salary are just as much journeymen/reclamations as he is, to the point that it was as much a “pick your poison” situation more than a “this option is clearly better than this one.”

                • Mustang and The 2015 Upsiders

                  Fair enough I would of preferred a different poison.

  • Fernandito Andujar

    D-backs just saw catcher Oscar Hernandez go down for 6-8 weeks. Maybe time to see if Arizona would take Austin Romine for Chase Anderson.

    • CashmanNinja

      I think they want to unload Trevor Cahill. I’d do Romine for Cahill.

      • BD11

        Absolutely. Romine has little to no value in my opinion and Cahill has potential.

  • Countdown Till Bryce’s a FA

    Strasburg

  • Y’s Guy

    Warren’s had the most success at the major league level.

  • BD11

    As a Yanks fan, I think I may rather the Sox have Hamels and his contract than Mookie Betts. He may end up being a star. Please trade him away.

    • CashmanNinja

      I’m not very sure I’d want Hamels going to Boston, but I do agree that I feel Mookie Betts could very well become a very good MLB caliber player.

      • BD11

        I don’t want Boston having Hamels at all… but something tells me Betts will end up being a perennial all-star and I’d rather the Sox have 31 yr old Hamels at $24M than 22 year old Betts for super cheap.

  • YankeeFan™

    Whoever in charge of running the Yankees Twitter is childish. They don’t acknowledged anything Arod does, but acknowledges everything every other players do. Sounds like the Yankees are still butthurt.

    • Still Stucky

      That their starting third baseman and middle of the order bat got himself suspended for a year when they needed him the most, and then sued them to bolster his lie?

    • RetroRob

      They’re doing a countdown every day to opening day, using a player and his number to match the number of days. I really want to know who they’ll be using when they’re 13 days out if not Alex.

      • CashmanNinja

        They’ll do a combination of Billy Martin (1) and Babe Ruth (3). Problem solved.

        • HoopDreams

          They could digup some photo of Charlie Hayes

          • Moncada’s Codpiece

            ZOMG the Yankees retired all teh numbers! Opening Day will never arrive!!!

        • RetroRob

          Wouldn’t surprise me. It wouldn’t surprise me if they didn’t use A-Rod, but I also doubt anyone told the person running the Twitter feed not to use them. The person is probably afraid of using him.

      • Moncada’s Codpiece

        “By the order of Commissar Hal Steinbrenner, Tuesday will not exist this week. Please join us on Wednesday as we celebrate only twelve more days to Opening Day.”

      • YankeeFan™

        Lol that’s crazy I was thinking about the same thing.

    • Pete22

      Yankees among the worst teams in MLB to use twitter effectively per a recent FG article. They don’t have much of a budget most likely. Arod will sell some tickets if they don’t promote him, but they could probably sell more by promoting him.

      • YankeeFan™

        You’re 100% Right.

    • RetroRob

      The Yankees actually were called on it and had to address it, with a spokesman saying it was an unintentional error and that A-Rod will be treated like all players and that they “will address it.”

      I find the they “will address it” comment interesting. Maybe as I suspected no one actually said don’t acknowledge A-Rod, but the person running the feed was afraid to, or maybe the Yankees are just not telling the truth. I still think it might be the former.

      • YankeeFan™

        I’m glad I wasn the only one who noticed this.

  • Moncada’s Codpiece

    I get the feeling Warren has the inside track, even if I don’t agree with it.

    • Dalek Jeter

      Agreed, I’d like to see it go to Mitchell because I really like Warren out of the pen, but it’s probably Warren’s job to lose as he has the most (successful) MLB experience.

    • RetroRob

      I picked Warren, but don’t have very strong feelings on who might get the 5th starter position. If it’s Mitchell, fine. If Rogers lights it up in camp and they give him a shot, fine. The pitcher will have to perform, or he’ll get cycled out.

      • Moncada’s Codpiece

        Agreed on all counts. The “who” doesn’t matter quite so much though I think Warren has proven he plays better in the bullpen. Perhaps with the experience under his belt he becomes serviceable in the rotation. The chosen candidate will just have to not be terrible.

  • Centaur Hips

    Roark still has to be available. I wonder what the Nats are looking for in return.

  • Dalek Jeter

    RAB: Ugh Chris Capuano sucks just let Warren/Mitchell/(Fill in favorite TEH KIDz here) be the fifth starter

    Chris Capuano: gets hurt

    Warren/Mitchell/(Fill in favorite TEH KIDz here): gets shot at 5th starter

    RAB: THE SKY IZ FALLING WHAT DO WE DO?! TRADE THE FARM FOR HAMELS SELL MY SEASON TICKETS CODE ZULU CODE ZULU

    • HoopDreams

      Oh, just wait until tomorrow if Tanaka gets hurt from his start

      • Dalek Jeter

        Well that’s actually serious. That’s replacing (hopefully) 200 well above league average innings with 200 maybe league average innings. This (the Cap injury) is replacing (hopefully) 200 maybe league average innings with (hopefully) 200 maybe league average innings.

        • HoopDreams

          And, I hope that doesn’t happen of course. Id probably cry

      • Havok9120

        I mean, that would be completely understandable I think. Tanaka getting hurt would be a pretty crippling blow.

        This is Chris Capuano and a contract that may or may not be guaranteed under these circumstances. I think we’ll survive.

        • Moncada’s Codpiece

          Any team losing an ace is down big. There’s just no way to build triple redundancies on that yet many folks here seem to think anything less is failure.

  • HoopDreams

    I suppose Warren, he should be able to put up at least similiar numbers to Capuano as a starter

  • CashmanNinja

    I voted for Kodos, I mean Mitchell. I think it’ll be Warren, but I really want to see what Mitchell could do with a few MLB starts. I think he could be a really good reliever, but I guess I want to see if he could cut it as a starter and what better chance than this. In reality it would be the guys that are already being stretched out (Warren and Rogers), but who knows.

  • MTU

    Let Warren, Rogers, Mitchell, etc. compete for it.

  • Still Stucky

    Put Betances in the rotation.

  • cashmoney

    Warren, Rogers, more seasoning for mitchell l prefer. But gonna be real, yanks have one guy on this current staff pitched 200 innings last year, Eo. It’s roll the dice and hope for the best.

    • RetroRob

      199!

      • cashmoney

        My apology.

        • RetroRob

          That extra inning will crush them.

          • Havok9120

            His arm will pinwheel into the stands at 199.2

  • The Shanesaw

    I’m not quite sure. Not Rogers. Anyone else

  • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

    Warren, no doubt.
    Who will be the 7th reliever is my question.

    • MTU

      Why not have Warren compete for the spot rather than simply handing it to him ?

      • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

        You know the way their competition works.
        If he was in line for #6, he’s now in line for #5.

        • MTU

          That’s too bad Mick because competition is a good thing.
          And it is a fair way to do things.

          • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

            It might look like competition but Yanks usually have a preference, but it still is competition.

            • MTU

              They should have an open competition.
              But you are probably right. We’ve seen it before.

            • MTU

              They should have an open competition.
              But you are probably right. We seen it before.

              • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

                MTU, I could also see them going with Rogers, leaving Warren as the 6th starter and JoRam as the long man.

        • Havok9120

          Meh. We’ve seen them do “real” competitions recently. I don’t think the 5th starter’s job was truly up for grabs as long as everyone was healthy, but now? I don’t see why it wouldn’t be. They clearly see something in Rogers, clearly think Whitley has a chance of being a successful starter, and at least pay lip service to the idea that Warren deserves another shot.

          *shrug*

      • Havok9120

        That seems most likely to happen.

        • MTU

          There are number of guys who can give Warren a
          run for his money.
          Best Man wins.

          • Havok9120

            Yep. If Cap didn’t get hurt, that’d be one thing. But I honestly think they’ll run an honest competition now instead of just a competition to see who was in line for the 6th starter’s job.

            • MTU

              I hope so.

            • adeel

              i think thats the first time i’ve heard of someone say Cap and mean someone different

  • Luc Saldist

    I read they were extending Warren’s innings probably because they knew one starter was going down. So I guess he will be their choice but I would like to see Mitchell get a serious look.

    • NH Yankee fan

      I’d keep my eye on Whitley bouncing back this year.. Couldn’t tell you why. Just a hunch.

  • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

    Rogers won’t get it as he’s the long man. You can’t waste Warren there.
    Do they carry 3 leftys in the pen?
    This opens a spot for Burawa or another rook.

    • http://shhhorsie.com Cheval Anonyme

      Every lefty reliever on the roster is effective against right-handed batters.

  • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

    Where is the link to Yanks and Papelbon to eliminate Judge and Bird/Severino from that deal?

    • Pete22

      I’d love that, but Hal ain’t spending that kind of money. If he does he is my new God

  • Pete22

    This highlights the need for Hamels. Old guys and injury prone guys, or young guys off an injury are injury risks. Hamels has none of the risk factors, and unlike Eovaldi, has a track record of success. I know Hal won’t spend the money now, but that’s what I would like to happen (so long as Judge and Bird are not given up)

    • Havok9120

      I don’t see anywhere near enough in upper-echelon talent in the system to get him without giving up our consensus #1 prospect, not if we’re competing for him.

    • Dalek Jeter

      This is indicative of this entire website’s mindset. “Give me the best players but don’t give anything to get them.” Why in the world would the Phillies settle for anything less than at least 1 of a team’s best prospects for trading one of the top 10 pitchers in baseball signed to a relatively decent price?

      • Alkaline

        Because…forced trades.

      • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

        Severino for Hamels and we take on Papelbon.

      • Centaur Hips

        There’s a Doug Fister trade out there somewhere…

        • Dalek Jeter

          Besides maybe Gardner, Ellsbury, bullpen or prospects what could we have that the Nationals want? They’re legit 6 starters deep, and are as good or better at 3rd, SS, 2nd, 1st, two OF positions, and probably catcher too.

          • Centaur Hips

            When I said Fister trade I meant a steal, like the Nats got for him. Not actually suggesting trading for Fister, although if they can get him that would be great.

      • RetroRob

        Silly.

        Because, that’s why. Just because.

      • Pete22

        Taking Papelbons salary has value to the Phillies. Doesnt mean they still can’t get some decent prospects, just not those 2

        • bernbabybern

          Papelbon is not allowed on this team.

      • Tony Parr

        Give them severino maybe Sanchez and anyone but judge or bird

  • Deep Thoughts

    I want Cole “Ed” Figueroa.

  • mattpat11

    I have absolutely no idea what the Yankees see in Rogers.

    • calripyankee

      He throws hard and is still relatively young..

  • dubinsky

    warren would beat out Capuano even if Capuano was in top shape

  • calripyankee

    I wouldn’t do either, but if I had to, I’d give up Judge in a trade for Hamels before I would Severino..

    • ChuckIt

      I wouldn’t. There is a severe power shortage on the offense, & the age/talent factor in the outfield is a concern. There is a lot of young pitching talent available at the moment,so Severino would be more expendable at the moment.

  • ChuckIt

    Adam Warren & Esmil Rogers. Either one is an upgrade from Capuano.They might be some what unproven, but Capuanos’ stats are proven. I think he’s a 5th starter in a bad rotation at best.