2015 Draft: Yankees add upside among bonus pool saving picks on Day Two

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Since the spending restrictions were put in place a few years ago, Day Two of the annual amateur draft has mostly been a bore. Teams are focused on maximizing their bonus pool, which often means drafting players earlier than their talent dictates simply because they’ll sign quickly and below slot. Many of the best available players heading into Day Two are still available on Day Three because teams don’t want to risk losing draft pool space if the player doesn’t sign. That’s the case every year.

The Yankees once again leaned toward college players on Day Two yesterday — only two of the eight players they selected were high schoolers — though they were still able to squeeze in a few upside picks. Not future stars or anything like that, but players with a chance to go grow into above-average big leaguers down the line. Here’s my review of Day One, now let’s review Day Two. You can see all of New York’s picks at Baseball America.

Finley. (San Diego Union Tribune)
Finley. (San Diego Union Tribune)

The Upside Play
After a bland, less than exciting Day One, the Yankees went for upside and projectability with their first selection on Day Two, grabbing California HS RHP Drew Finley with their third round pick (92nd overall). Here’s my profile. They reportedly coveted him with one of their two first round picks and were able to get him in the third round, so that’s a nice coup.

Finley has a low-90s fastball, a good curveball, and a good changeup, plus he throws strikes well enough. He also stands out for the PitchFX data he generated during showcase events last year. From Keith Law (subs. req’d):

Rancho Bernardo HS right-hander Drew Finley was one of the top-rated pitchers on the showcase circuit in the summer of 2014, according to the pitch-tracking data from Trackman, which ranked the extension on his fastball and the spin on his curveball as among the two best in the draft class.

As Jeff Passan and Mike Petriello explained a few weeks ago, spin rate is all the craze these days because it correlates to swing-and-miss rate better than pure velocity. It’s a relatively new but very valuable tool, and Finley scored well compared to his peers last summer. The Yankees rely on analytics as much as any team, so they no doubt took this data into consideration when drafting Finley.

As for the more traditional stuff, Finley’s father David is currently a scouting executive with the Dodgers who previously worked with the Red Sox and Marlins — Drew is a Red Sox fan! — so he’s grown up around the game, which could make the transition to pro ball easier. There’s no ace upside here, those guys are all off the board way before the third round, but Finley already throws strikes with three pitches, so he’s further along in his development than most prep arms.

I’m sure the Yankees are going to sign Finley — they probably hammered out terms overnight Monday — but, if they don’t, he’s the kind of pitcher who could come out of college as the top ten pick in three years. The changeup is already there, the location is already there, all that’s left is filling out that frame and gaining experience.

Adams. (Dallas Baptist)
Adams. (Dallas Baptist)

The Token Reliever
This is becoming routine for the Yankees. At some point in the first ten rounds of the draft, they select a bat-missing college reliever who projects to climb the minor league ladder in a hurry. Last year it was LHP Jacob Lindgren, the year before that it was RHP Nick Rumbelow, and the year before that it was RHP Nick Goody. Scouting director Damon Oppenheimer has taken at least one college bullpen arm in the top ten rounds since the bonus pool system was implemented.

On Day Two, that college reliever was Dallas Baptist RHP Chance Adams (5th round). Adams was probably only the third best prospect in his own bullpen this spring — RHP Drew Smith and RHP Brandon Koch were drafted in the third and fourth rounds, respectively — but he has the best combination of present stuff, command, and results. The 6-foot-0, 205 lb. righty used a mid-90s fastball and a sharp slider to post an 83/13 K/BB in 59 innings this spring. Adams isn’t Lindgren, but there are similarities with Rumbelow as a short-ish bullpener.

Hendrix. (The Oregonian)
Hendrix. (The Oregonian)

All Bat Or All Defense
In the fourth and sixth rounds, the Yankees scooped up two players whose value comes primarily on one side of the ball. Oregon State OF Jeff Hendrix (4th) is a speed and defense type who steals bases and plays a quality center field. His left-handed bat is a question mark — Hendrix is said to have an exploitable hole on the inner half, though he covers the outer half well and slashes the ball all around the infield to use his speed. It’s a classic defense first fourth outfield profile.

Two rounds later, the Yankees drafted Howard College 2B Brandon Wagner (6th), a left-handed power hitter who slugging 22 home runs in 58 games this spring. He’s said to have power to all fields and good knowledge of the strike zone, allowing that power to play in games. Howard isn’t much of a defender though, and there’s some thought he’ll wind up at third base or left field. Either way, he’s a bat first prospect who stands out for his lefty pop, making him the polar opposite of Hendrix. (It’s worth noting Wagner is still only 19. He’s young even by junior college standards.)

Workout Stud
Arizona HS 3B Donny Sands (8th) was not a well-known prospect coming into the spring nor was he expected to be a high pick. The Yankees were impressed enough during his high school season that they invited Sands to Tampa for a private workout a week or two ago according to Chuck Constantino, where their scouts fell in love with “his mental approach to the game, his competitive streak and his relentless work ethic.” Sands played shortstop and pitched in high school — that’s fairly common, the best athlete plays short and if he has a strong arm, he winds up on the mound too — but the Yankees announced him as a third baseman. Either way, the private workout was an opportunity, and Sands took advantage.

Money-Saving Seniors
As usual, the Yankees took some college seniors on Day Two in an effort to save some draft pool space. Seniors have no leverage and tend to sign very cheap, usually in the low-to-mid-five figures, saving the club bonus pool space they can then use on other picks. Every team does it. That’s the most efficient way to game the system and not stick strictly to slot.

Anyway, the Yankees grabbed three college seniors on Day Two: Florida Southern OF Jhalan Jackson (7th), Michigan State 1B Ryan Krill (9th), and The Citadel LHP James Reeves (10th). Combined slot money for those three picks is $500,700 and the Yankees will spend maybe 25% of that to sign those three. Jackson (20 homers in 45 games) and Krill (13 homers in 56 games) are power hitters while Reeves uses a low arm slot to rack up strikeouts (115 in 95 innings). They’re fringe prospects who were drafted as high as they were for draft pool reasons.

Mo III. (Iona)
Mo III. (Iona)

No Mo III
Hands down, the most surprising selection of Day Two was Iona RHP Mariano Rivera III (my profile). Surprising because the Yankees didn’t take him! I was convinced it was only a matter of time until they grabbed Mo’s son — they drafted him in the 29th round last year but he opted to return to school — but instead the Nationals beat them to the punch, selecting him with their fourth round pick (134th overall). Jerks!

Mo III is a legitimate prospect who improved his stock tremendously this spring — Baseball America ranked him as the 142nd best prospect in the draft, for what it’s worth — and it just seemed inevitable the Yankees would take him again. The question was whether they would do it on Day Two and risk draft pool space should he decide to continue his education. The Nationals took the decision out of their hands.

It would have been fun to see the Yankees draft Mo III and track his progress in the minors, though it’s probably best for him to be in a different organization. He’s already facing big time expectations just because of his name. It’s unfair but it happens all the time. Those expectations would be even more unfair and unrealistic had Rivera been with the Yankees. Now he gets to go and create his own legacy with his own organization. Good for him.

* * *

Much of Day Two was focused on manipulating the draft pool and taking signable players, which is the case every year. The Yankees did get some upside in Finley, both according to traditional and analytical scouting measures, and they also landed a solid bullpen prospect in Adams. I find Wagner’s power to be very intriguing as well. It remains to be seen how much money the Yankees will save with these draft picks, though expect to see several big rolls of the dice on Day Three. There’s no risk taking a player and having him decline to sign now.

Tanaka outduels Scherzer in a Yankees 6-1 win over the Nationals
A closer look at Nathan Eovaldi's splitter
  • Mike Ehrmantrout

    I’m a little sad we didn’t get Mo III but kudos to the Nats for taking him where they did, still hoping he finishes school and the Yanks get one more crack at him next year.

    • Fawn Lopez

      You want to kill the kid? He would never be able to be his own player with the Yankees. The odds of him even making the majors are against him.

  • Angelo

    So Finley, Sands, Chance, and Wagner, are the guys to pay attention to.

    Much more intriguing to me than last year’s Day 2 picks.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Jhelan Jackson…….and only Jhelan Jackson.

      Yes, though, some pretty good cheap eatin’ yesterday.

  • Alex

    Are we assuming Mo III will sign with WAS? I thought the word was still that he wants to finish school.

  • blake

    Finley really seems like a steal where they got him…..he was a borderline first round talent in a lot of rankings.

    Kinda doubt Mo III doesn’t sign…..but who knows…..he’d have zero leverage as a senior and he could always get hurt. If he wants to play pro baseball…..he should sign now.

    • Deep Thoughts

      Look at it this way. We could have dodged the next Dale Berra.

    • MG2015

      Mo III said he was signing, I think I read that in the Post yesterday. He was also glad the Yankees didn’t draft him, the expectations would have created way too much pressure.

  • Deep Thoughts

    Top comments on Mike’s profile of Drew Finley…

    • Pkyankfan69

      A comment that good deserves to win 2 RAB threads

      • Sir Didihiro Nakamura

        Both of 80 out of 80 haha

  • Sir Didihiro Nakamura

    #SweepForMo3

  • Pkyankfan69

    There is a Cole Sands left on the board… Gotta get Donnie’s brother

    • Pkyankfan69

      “Though he’s reached a peak velocity of 95 mph for Perfect Game, most reports indicate Sands currently sits more comfortably in low 90’s, with obvious potential to reach the upper 90’s as he grows into his frame. Sands has an athletic 6’3, 200 lbs. frame presently with a build that reminded me of Gerrit Coleout of high school. That shouldn’t be a means of comparison, but like Cole, I can see Sands filling out to 220 lbs. with ease as he matures. Sands is athletic and has a quick arm, so he should have no problem repeating his delivery down the line to throw strikes consistently. His delivery isn’t without its flaws; he will occasionally throw with some effort and his arm slot and release point can be inconsistent on his breaking ball.”

      DRAFT HEEEEM

      • blake

        lets see terry’s review of Donnie’s fielding first.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Let’s not and say we did.

  • Sir Didihiro Nakamura

    Low baseball IQ tho…

    • Mike Ehrmantrout

      Greed: Very High?

      • Sir Didihiro Nakamura

        Shhh

  • Robinson Tilapia

    The Jhelan Jackson RAB Fan Club is formally accepting applications for membership. Perks include exclusive meme and hashtag use, as well as other yet-to-be-determined items. This comes from the makers of #teamsizemore.

    • pfoj

      Can we call the fan club #JhelansJunta ? If so, I’m in.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        After the first Phish album?

  • Gary Lawrence

    So it is likely any of our high school picks on day 3 have a 90% chance of not signing especially if they are starting pitchers right?

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Look at the past couple of years of drafts.
      Take a look at Day 3.
      Compute your percentage of who signed, and who didn’t.
      Assume a similar outcome this season.

    • https://youtu.be/alYXF7a9N3U Memory Bread

      Finley s deal was worked out before they selected him.

      Sands should be an easy sign.

      Regarding day 3 there’s a ton of prep arms and outfielders out there. A couple of one tool college bats and of course the hard to sign away commits.

  • blake

    I obviously have no idea really….but from just what I read it sounds like day 2 went pretty well.

  • Sir Didihiro Nakamura

    Finley’s comments on Ellsbury are hilarious! Don’t think he’ll complain when he’s an ace for us and we offer him 200m for 8 years and he’s an ace for those 8 years.

  • Sir Didihiro Nakamura
    • CashmanNinja

      That definitely sounds like the attitude of a guy who is planning on signing.

      • Sir Didihiro Nakamura

        No, quite the opposite. Huge troll by Finley!

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Really sneaky for the Sox to embed him right from the beginning.

          Forget Manfred. We need Homeland Security on this.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Either this kid has some really skinny arms or he’s about to put Jim Abbott to shame.

      • Sir Didihiro Nakamura

        He looks like Pedrioia

        • Robinson Tilapia

          The pinstripes can make any hobo look like a prince.

      • Mike Ehrmantrout

        Rob Lowe puts them all to shame.

  • https://youtu.be/alYXF7a9N3U Memory Bread

    Couple of notable guys the Yankees have selected and signed since 2012 after the 10th round.

    Brady Lail
    James Pazos
    Dustin Fowler
    Chris Breen
    Drew Bridges
    Cale Coshow
    Sean Carley

    They’ll have more than enough money left over to sign a few prospects that could be more than just “org” guys.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Absolutely. The road is steep, but it’s always awesome to see someone productive coming out of the later rounds.

      I’ve been tooting this horn (frankly just tagging along on Mike’s tooting) lately, but Brady Lail could potentially be a huge development victory for this organization. Wayne and I always knew.

      • Sir Didihiro Nakamura

        And Seattle

      • https://youtu.be/alYXF7a9N3U Memory Bread

        Lail can surely pitch his butt off.

        Can’t wait till Aldred works with him in AAA next season (provided he stays healthy of course).

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Folks will continue with the “can’t develop” narrative, but we’ve got a low-cost IFA advancing in AAA, and a raw, late-round high-schooler excelling in AA at the moment. Funny how those get omitted.

          • https://youtu.be/alYXF7a9N3U Memory Bread

            Doesn’t Fit Their Narrative

            These folks keep forgetting that the major market teams abused the system (Yankees with the IFA & Redsox with the Draft) & they think it’s easy to develop these kids … it’s bullshit & those message board scouts need to relax and let the kids play.

  • CashmanNinja

    I’m thrilled we drafted Drew. I was hoping for him at #30 (or Blake Trahan), but I’m more than OK with them taking Holder and then picking Drew later. Holder wouldn’t have lasted until the 3rd round, but Drew did because of money. I hope they lock Drew up ASAP and send him to Gil Patterson.

  • Pkyankfan69

    How is Jake Higginbotham still available… Gotta draft him today

    • Gary Lawrence

      Is Jared Padgett available too? I would like to draft at least one or both of them.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        How does one land on “I hope they pick Patrick Sandoval and Jared Padgett” in the later rounds? I’m curious.

    • Gary Lawrence

      Patrick Sandoval is another one I hope we take chance on.

      • pfoj

        I’d look forward to calling him Patrick “Hope” Sandoval the whole time and laughing about it to myself.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          He fades into you.

  • Gary Lawrence

    Drew Finley is likely not to sign I think partly because he is a redsox fan and because he did not sound optimistic or ready for pro ball. Drew Finley stated that he is worn out and tired which may be an indication he is not ready for pro ball.

    • Sir Didihiro Nakamura

      No, he’s signing. And he’s clearly very excited to be on the Yankees. Read his twitter for 30 seconds: https://twitter.com/D_Finley09

    • CashmanNinja

      It sounds like the opposite to me. He seems excited. Of course he’s worn out and tired…MOST players are at this point. That doesn’t mean he plans on going to school.

      • Sir Didihiro Nakamura

        Isn’t he the one who immediately got on a flight to NY to go sign?

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Yeah, but what airline?

        • pfoj

          They actually make these kids fly over to sign in person? What a waste.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            Even I have an electronic signing pad.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      You’re just picking all this out of your ass, aren’t you?

      • Chip

        An impressive feat considering how far up it his head is.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          You’ll know, if the comments suddenly start increasing in this thread, whether we’ve got “silly fan” or “troll finally getting attention” on our hands.

    • https://youtu.be/alYXF7a9N3U Memory Bread

      Dude… the deal was worked out on Monday night .. relax.

      • TKP119

        Is it confirmed FInley signed already?

        • https://youtu.be/alYXF7a9N3U Memory Bread

          No , it’s not confirmed but Finley mentioned in the articles bandied about him on the interwebs that Oppenheimer called his advisior in advance of drafting him that if he was available in the 3rd round they’d be selecting him.

          • TKP119

            Interesting. His twitter is encouraging. Hope they sign him I think he’ll end up being the best player for us from this draft.

            • https://youtu.be/alYXF7a9N3U Memory Bread

              You never know… from that 2012 draft the best player we may have signed might be a coin flip between Refsnyder (5th rounder) and Lail (18th rounder).

              • TKP119

                Agree 100%, but I like that he throws strikes and already has a changeup.

    • Bo Knows

      You love trolling don’t you?

      Phil Hughes grew up a Red Sox fan (actually had a beat the curse poster in his room)
      Clay Bucholz grew up a Yankee fan
      Ian Clarkin said on National Television he “hated” the Yankees
      Gerrit Cole brought a “Yankee fan till I die” poster to the stadium when he was a kid

      what team they grew up rooting for means jack shit

      • NYYFanFromThePhilippines

        Whenever I remember us drafting Gerrit Cole, it breaks my heart.

  • Gary Lawrence

    The thing I notice about Drew Finley is that mechanically he throws like he is in a tunnel or narrow space. His mechanics will have to be changed somewhat if we sign him.

    • HoopDreams

      Are you saying The Lincoln Tunnel is in his head?

      • Robinson Tilapia

        The Callahan Tunnel.

        • HoopDreams

          It’s almost as if Pedro Martinez is on RAB doing analyze.

        • http://shhhorsie.com Cheval Anonyme

          Ted Williams Tunnel ftw!

    • Robinson Tilapia

      We are slowly approaching Wayne-level trolling here.

  • Chip

    I really like the Wagner pick.

    • Nick

      id have preferred Bach

      • Chip

        well played.

        • http://shhhorsie.com Cheval Anonyme

          Well-tempered.

      • Deep Thoughts

        there was a Star Wars comment flurry last night

  • Chip

    Sorry to go off topic:

    Robinson Cano
    2 HR .611 OPS

    Stephen Drew
    9 HR .610 OPS

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Rogers Hornsby
      0 HR .000 OPS

      • Chip

        Gary Lawrence stirred up the trouble-maker in me.

    • blake

      Cano is still ahead!

  • Dan A.

    I realize the probability is low, but how can you say there’s no chance of a “future star” or no “ace upside,” but then say “[Finley’s] the kind of pitcher who could come out of college as the top ten pick in three years.” Doesn’t that mean he could develop into an ace? Admitedly, there’s a low chance of that. But it seems a little contradictory.

    • blake

      Mike can answer for himself but I think he probably understands that things can change…..his statement I’m guessing was purely based off of the now……and expectations pre-draft. Especially for a high school kid ceilings can change a lot…..a year from now he may have ace upside…..it’s just not expected that he does right now which is why he went in the 3rd round and not the first.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      More of a snapshot than a full projection…….something Keith law would say, before projecting him as a reliever. There.

    • https://youtu.be/alYXF7a9N3U Memory Bread

      There’s usually a guy in every draft who the draft pubs rank in the 15-25 range who get taken early due to having a pre draft agreement for saving money in later rounds.

    • Wicomico Pinstripes

      Not necessarily. Not all top ten picks have ace upside. Some are seen as extremely low risk. The seventh overall selection last year, Aaron Nola, would be an example of this.

  • pfoj

    After work today I’m grabbing a drink with a girl who was wearing a Yankee hat when we met. Should I lead off by asking her who her favorite Yankee Day 2 draft pick was or should I go right to questions about the Day 3 picks?

    • Chip

      You don’t go on many 2nd dates do you?

      • Deep Thoughts

        It’s about quality, not quantity. Or, put differently, projectability and upside.

        • Sir Didihiro Nakamura

          Do I take the girl with the high awesome wife upside, but huge risk at not happening or the girl who’s already kinda awesome but won’t get much more and is less risky?

          • Deep Thoughts

            “wife upside?” WTF is wrong with you.

      • pfoj

        One time, late in the 2013 season, my girlfriend at the time wanted me to do something with her and her friends. It was the same night Pettitte was starting, and since we were down to less than a half dozen times to see Andy pitch I declined to go. She was rather upset and a mini fight broke out over me prioritizing Andy Pettitte over her.

        At one point I said something along the lines of “well, I’ve known Andy Pettitte since 1995 and I met you six months ago, who did you think would win?”

        I am a very stupid man.

        • Chip

          SMDH

    • Robinson Tilapia

      “Who’s your favorite Dominican in the DSL? Wrong.”

    • blake

      if she knows anyone they drafted….marry her.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        I fully briefed my wife on James Kaprelian last night during dinner. Pop quiz coming tonight.

        • blake

          lol. If I asked my wife to name anyone on the Yankees…..I think she’d probably say Arod and not know anyone else.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            Mine could name about half the current team, but she’d insist on adding “Melky and Robbie” on principle.

            And “Matsui.”

          • http://shhhorsie.com Cheval Anonyme

            Mine would say “Derek Jeter”.

            • blake

              she would say that too

          • Mike Ehrmantrout

            I asked my wife and I got…
            A-Rod, Teix and Meridith Merdocovich (her pronunciation, with a puzzling question mark sound at the end ). Any time I ask her who a player is when watching a game, it’s one of the three listed above.

        • Sir Didihiro Nakamura

          “He’s the guy who’s going to accomplish way more than you ever will while on the Yankees!”
          “I…. can live with that.”

  • Howard S.

    “There’s no ace upside here, those guys are all off the board way before the third round”….this has to be one of the most ignorant comments ever. You’re telling me 9th round pick Jacob deGrom doesn’t have “ace upside?” Way to disregard arguably a top 5 pitcher in the league. This is also coming from a die hard Yankee fan!

    • blake

      I don’t think it’s an” ignorant” statement…..I think what he meant was based on pre-draft expectations there isn’t ace upside. That doesn’t mean that can’t change……we see players exceed expectations all the time. If Finley has a velo jump…..or just really becomes a stand out command guy then sure he could develop into a front of the rotation starter…..but it’s not expected right now or he would have went higher.

      • Howard S.

        the point of the comment is he shouldn’t have made a blanket statement of guys after the first two rounds not having “ace upside.” Thats just wrong.

        • blake

          I think it’s implied that we all know that can change.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I see you’ve never met Terry.

    • http://shhhorsie.com Cheval Anonyme

      If teams thought DeGrom had ace upside, he would not have been left to the ninth round. DeGrom only started twelve games prior to being drafted, so he was quite a shot-in-the-dark selection.

      • Bo Knows

        And he was a SS prior to that

    • Sir Didihiro Nakamura

      “DeGrom, top 5 pitcher”

      http://i.imgur.com/seh6p.gif

      • Howard S.

        I’d take him over all of our guys, with the exception of Tanaka. Numbers don’t lie…

        • Sir Didihiro Nakamura

          No you wouldn’t

          • Howard S.

            How does that make any sense? i cannot think of one yankee pitcher he isn’t better than other than Tanaka, who I am still worried about not being able to stay healthy.

            • Sir Didihiro Nakamura

              I’ll bite.

              1. Kershaw
              2. Felix
              3. Scherzer
              4. Zimmerman
              5. Tanaka
              6. Harvey
              7. Bumgarner
              8. Kluber
              9. Cole
              10. Sale

              All pitcher’s I’d rather have than DeGrom

              • 86w183

                I’d add Pineda and Grienke

                • Howard S.

                  Yikes. I love Big Mike but you can’t be serious with this comment. Maybe Greinke like 3 years ago.

                  • Robinson Tilapia

                    Actually, if you’d read the actual statistics cited to you above, you’d see how he can actually be as serious about Pineda as you can be about Degrom.

                    • Howard S.

                      I’ll take deGrom over Pineda 10 out of 10 times. Injury concerns play a bigger role than one year’s statistics

                    • Robinson Tilapia

                      Two years.

                      You can decide to take Degrom, and I don’t begrudge you that, but you challenged everyone here to find you someone other Tanaka and, statistically, we did. End of story.

                    • Howard S.

                      That’s just not accurate but you can give yourself a pat on the back. Pineda is not statistically better than deGrom, but valiant effort.

                    • Robinson Tilapia

                      Where did I say “better?” I said like a dead heat, and the negligible differences in just about every stat cited to you above show that.

                      Degrom was worth one more win in the past year. He also pitched twice as many innings as Pineda last season.

                      Again, if you’d like to pick Degrom based on recent durability, be my guest. Again, you threw down the gauntlet to name anyone, and were given someone who you can argue has been his statistical equal (even if some rather important stats skew slightly towards Pineda, but I won’t fully throw down that card.)

                      In typical “I don’t know how to argue on the internet” manner, you can now retreat and actually not consider the opposing POV at all, while I actually go off and work.

                    • 86w183

                      Your man crush on DeGrom is over the top. He’s not top five in any league anywhere. Not sure he’s top five in his division….. Harvey, Scherzer, Zimmerman, Hamels, Miller, Fernandez…….

                      Your dismissive comment on Grienke is flat out absurd. Have you seen him this year?? 5-1, 1.92

                    • Fawn Lopez

                      DeGrom had Tommy John Surgery and has his own shoulder issues. Go troll a Mets blog. They are quite pleasant after being no hit in their own stadium.

              • Howard S.

                Well the challenge was to name a better YANKEE than him, outside of an oft injured Tanaka, which you failed to do. Also, I’m not buying on Zimmerman or Tanaka.

                • Robinson Tilapia

                  And the challenge was answered above by giving you both Degrom’s and Pineda’s stats.

            • Robinson Tilapia

              Why do you make us do this?

              http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=5372&position=P

              http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=10954&position=P

              If anything, it’s a dead heat between him and Pineda. I guess you could make the injury risk argument, but let’s not make this a clear cut preference here.

              • yanksgoyanks

                “I guess you could make the injury risk argument” DeGrom wins by default then, love Pineda but cmon.

                • Howard S.

                  This is my point exactly

                  • Robinson Tilapia

                    Except that, the further Pineda gets from his shoulder injury, the less it matters. Statistically, which is ultimately the more valid metric we have here, it’s practically a matter of taste between the two.

                  • Robinson Tilapia

                    Actually, you hadn’t made a point about Pineda before writing that.

                • Fawn Lopez

                  Do people realize that DeGrom had tommy john surgery already?

                  • Robinson Tilapia

                    Honestly? I completely overlooked that. Thank you.

      • blake

        they should have drafted her.

    • No 2013 again

      Upside is nice but that ignores the fact that development might be more important than current skills at the time of the draft. Otherwise what would be the point of drafting anyone past, say, the 5th round?

  • yanksgoyanks

    The Finlay kid looks good but the kid from Oregon state was a reach, he was projected in the 400 prospect area, yet we took him earlier.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Don’t read the actual posts much, eh?

    • blake

      after the first couple rounds the rankings really don’t matter all that much…..a lot more factors come in to play

    • 86w183

      I guess the Yanks decided that ten speedy, LH hitting OF without power wasn’t enough. The Hendrix selection had me cursing at my lap top yesterday…. makes zero sense

      I do like the Wagner pick… give him time to make it at 2B. Jhalan Jackson can really hit, but he’s a 1B/DH… as is Krill who is a better athlete. Finley and Adams are nice picks.

      Today will be interesting since 15 of Baseball America’s top 101 are still on the board. Gotta guess right on which top end talents could be swayed. They should grab two of them if they can… you go one for two and you can celebrate.

      • Fawn Lopez

        I guess you just look at Baseball America and determine if it is a good pick? Ugh.

        • 86w183

          I guess you make idiotic assumptions for a living… UGH!

    • Fawn Lopez

      Projected by who? Mel Kiper is doing the MLB draft?

  • Jeff Santora

    Wallace Matthews is saying Brendan Ryan is with the team ..no word on the roster move..fantastic! !!!

    • Pkyankfan69
    • 86w183

      Gotta be Pirela…. a step in the wrong direction. Might let Pirela play today and then send him out. It’s a shame, the kid is 5-11 last four games he’s started.

      • Jeff Santora

        ya sucks Pirela was just starting to hit and the guy was so happy sunday ….seems to really hit lefties…..

    • Jacob Lindgreddarden

      I think that’s just stupid. Ryan offers nothing over Drew and Didi. They are already above average defenders. Pirela offers a good RH bat with pop. Ryan can’t hit at all. I thought the kids were going to get a chance.

      • Jeff Santora

        well lets see how long Ryan is here.. can’t DFA the guy on the DL ….hopefully this doesn’t last

  • Mike Ehrmantrout

    I wonder if it matters to the draftees which team picks them, just from a favorite team perspective. Would it cause a kid to go back to school, taking money out of the equation. We know in NFL guys have refused to play and forced trades, I wonder if there is any precedent for this in MLB. At this point, they don’t have much control over it and even talking about their favorite team could cause controversy, as we’ve seen. So when Whitley said, “the Rays organization is the best in the biz”, when being interviewed directly after being selected do, there clearly is some tact there. But with all the social media outlets, it’s not hard to figure out. Someone like Mo III, his dad was on the Yankees for 20 years, so again it’s kind of a no brainer who his fav team was, but I’m sure if asked now he’d say the Nats organization.

    • 86w183

      I’ve dealt with scouts, college coaches and drafted players for more than two decades. I do not know of a single instance of a player refusing to sign over the team that chose him…. over the money? Absolutely, but not the team. Bryce Harper tried to get teams to let him fall to the Yankees, but it didn’t happen and he signed with the team that drafted him.

      I only know of three NFL situations like that in the last 30+ years —- John Elway, Bo Jackson and Eli Manning —- and two of them had MLB options as leverage.

      • Sir Didihiro Nakamura

        Bryce: “Either I sign with the Yankees or fuck you”
        Bryce: “Sometimes I like to do heroin after games. Sometimes before depending on how I feel. I always feel like it before games basically.”
        Bryce: “I’m diagnosed with schizophrenia and sometimes I see evil monsters on the field and it’s just like when I’m on shrooms. Wait, maybe it’s not schizophrenia and I am always just on shrooms before games..”

      • Robinson Tilapia

        I’d also say that a tippity-top NFL pick has far more leverage than anyone in the MLB draft.

        Perhaps you’d see such behavior from a top ten pick but, even then, I don’t think that’s exactly a winning strategy in baseball.

      • NYYFanFromThePhilippines

        “Bryce Harper tried to get teams to let him fall to the Yankees”

        Can we just please give him the contract and get this over with? Haha

        • 86w183

          Yup… in November of 2018

          • NYYFanFromThePhilippines

            November 2018:

            The moment FYBH becomes PYBH.

  • Asher Dratel
  • SweetSpot

    Pre-draft expectations and predictions are often without merit.

    Don Mattingly – 19th Round
    Andy Pettitte – 22nd Round
    José Bautista – 20th Round
    Roy Oswalt – 23rd Round
    Ian Kinsler – 17th Round
    Nolan Ryan – 12th Round
    Jim Thome – 13th Round
    Keith Hernandez – 42nd Round
    Mark Buehrle – 38th Round
    Orel Hershiser – 17th Round
    Buddy Bell – 17th Round
    Albert Pujols – 13th Round
    Kenny Lofton – 17th Round
    Jeff Kent – 20th Round
    Brett Saberhagen – 19th Round
    John Smolz – 22nd Round
    Mike Lowell – 20th Round
    Jake Peavy – 15th Round
    Mike Piazza – 62nd Round
    Kenny Rogers – 39th Round

    • https://youtu.be/alYXF7a9N3U Memory Bread

      You could pull those kinds of big name signs in the past but since 2012 .. the game has changed.

      • SweetSpot

        I don’t agree. It’s not possible to know how a very young college or high school player is going to progress physically and emotionally and how their team is going to develop them. One has to use players in an example like this who have been around for a while, otherwise the examples would be without merit. There are also scores of lesser known names who were drafted in high rounds who had long major league careers.

      • blake

        it’s true that there is a ton more information out there and that teams aren’t wrong as often….but still we are dealing with fluid situations here ….especially high school kids who can hit growth spurts or develop much more than expected.

    • whileaway

      Piazza in the 62nd round always cracked me up. What is a 62nd rounder anyway ?

  • Mike Ehrmantrout

    Ugh, Ryan starting today. Off topic but nauseating.

    • NYYFanFromThePhilippines

      It’s 11pm here and im afraid this could give me nightmares.

      • Mike Ehrmantrout

        But Pirela is starting too…

        • NYYFanFromThePhilippines

          Too?

          Sorry i haven’t seen the line ups (i was about to sleep), but do you mean that Ryan is starting?

          So our MIF is Ryan and Pirela for this game?

          • Mike Ehrmantrout

            Ryan at short and Pirela at second, I believe.

            • NYYFanFromThePhilippines

              Maybe i’m just sleepy but I can’t make sense of why. Oh well, I hope I wake up to some good news.

              • Mike Ehrmantrout

                Good news: Ryan strains his labia and heads to the 60 day DL.

    • Sir Didihiro Nakamura

      for the yankees????

      • Mike Ehrmantrout

        Unfortunately, at short with Didi benched in his favor : /

        • Sir Didihiro Nakamura

          they sent down Flores… fuck MI depth, just release Ryan

          • Mike Ehrmantrout

            Ryan is redundant with Pirela and Drew on this roster, especially Drew.

            • NYYFanFromThePhilippines

              Plus we still have Refs in AAA, and worst case, Petit.

              • Mike Ehrmantrout

                Petit, Pirela, Drew, Refs and Ryan for really two spots. Petit was going to sent down anyway in favor of Pirela so I wonder what they do when he’s ready. Stash him at AAA, or send down Pirela. History says he’ll (Petit) too join the big club.

  • NYYFanFromThePhilippines

    So BA ranked Mo III as the 1’42’nd prospect. Heh. Nice.

  • Jeff Santora

    Flores sent down instead of Pirela .. strange move for the roster ???

    • Mike Ehrmantrout

      I was looking for that news, I was strangely hoping they didn’t release Drew.

    • 86w183

      From the WTF department

    • Jeff Santora

      i mean not that i wanted Pirela sent down because he’s been really hitting lefties… but didn’t see this one coming

      • Mike Ehrmantrout

        Maybe more playing time for Jones and Pirela in the OF?

        • Jeff Santora

          ya thats gotta be the plan

        • 86w183

          mebbe….. Pirela should play if Gio Gonzalez is starting

          • Mike Ehrmantrout

            I forgot it was a lefty. But Ryan playing just makes me sad, regardless of handiness.

            • HoopDreams

              Maybe he’ll get heat exhaustion again and will have to hit the 60 day dl.

              • Mike Ehrmantrout

                Ryan and Drews career numbers look awfully (and awful) similar. Those two in the line-up together, hitting back to back will create the worst hitting SS/2B tandem in the history of the game.

                • HoopDreams

                  Yeah it’s redundant having him and Drew..could say Didi as well. And Drew and Didi are better hitters, same with Pirela though that’s setting the bar real low, he has no spot here.

            • Jeff Santora

              trust me Ryan gives us all that feeling

    • HoopDreams

      Sigh…

    • Pkyankfan69

      Flores… Starting to play well… Back to the minors!

      Makes sense.

      Just DFA worthless Ryan already… Jeeze

      • Mike Ehrmantrout

        Had a great game yesterday and looked amazing in the field. Perhaps this means Ells is closer than we think?

      • http://shhhorsie.com Cheval Anonyme

        No, Kyle Holder needs a role model.

    • SweetSpot

      He’ll be back. Positional flexibility, Chris Young and Garret Jones and the lack of a backup at 3rd base. (A-Rod should not play the field)

    • blake

      hmm…..

  • Jeff Santora

    LoHudYankees
    Girardi said Jones, not Pirela, is the fourth outfielder now. Either Jones or Young seem lined up to play LF against righties.
    6/10/15, 11:08 AM

  • MG2015

    Flores was going back down when Ellsbury returns anyway so it’s no big deal. Maybe they are giving Ryan some playing time for other teams to scout him and will package something together with Carpenter.

    • Dalek Jeter

      Don’t they only have another day or two before they have to put Carp on Waivers?

    • Dan A.

      The roster is definitely worse because of this. They don’t need Ryan on this team. Bad roster construction.

  • Yessir

    If Finley has “No Ace upside”, then why could he go to school for a few years and possibly come out as a top ten pick? Isn’t that kind of suggesting Ace – or something very close to it – upside?

  • feztonio

    Trey amburgey and Garett Mundell !! I got s good feeling about those two – feeling like they could be A Warren & B Gardner when they grow up ???? mark it down – a Feztonio stone cold lock !!!