More pitching depth a must at the trade deadline even if it creates a roster squeeze

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Know who the Yankees miss? Chase Whitley. Don’t get me wrong, he’s was exactly a critical part of the pitching staff, but Whitley was the de facto spot sixth starter and a useful depth arm. Joe Girardi admitted the team’s plan for Whitley this year was to keep him stretched out in Triple-A and use him as a spot starter to give the regular rotation members extra rest on occasion. They haven’t been able to do that since Ace Whitley blew out his elbow.

Thanks in part to Whitley’s injury, as well as the general injury risk in the rotation, the Yankees should look to add pitching depth at the trade deadline. I mean, every team should, right? That is especially true for these contending Yankees because guys like Masahiro Tanaka (elbow), Michael Pineda (shoulder), and CC Sabathia (knee) carry more injury risk than most other starting pitchers. Ivan Nova has been rather uneven in his return from Tommy John surgery as well.

The question is not whether they should add pitching depth, but how do they fit it on the roster? Sabathia isn’t coming out of the rotation, and even if he did, the Yankees would simply move him to the bullpen and not off the roster entirely. Same with Nathan Eovaldi. He’s in the rotation. The only flexible spots in the bullpen belong to Bryan Mitchell and Chris Capuano, and I get the feeling the Yankees aren’t going to cut ties with Capuano only because he’s fine for the long man role and could always start if necessary.

With Whitley out, you could argue New York’s sixth (Adam Warren), seventh (Capuano), and eighth (Mitchell) starters are in the big league bullpen. That leaves either Luis Severino or Esmil Rogers as the next in line spot starter whenever one is needed. That’s … not ideal. Severino has dominated Triple-A but he’s not someone you want to jerk around. Whitley was perfect for that spot starter role because he could go up and down with no real concern for his long-term development.

So the Yankees have something of a roster crunch on their hands. They could always option Mitchell to clear a roster spot — man, hasn’t he looked great in short relief though? — but otherwise there’s not much flexibility, not if the Yankees are committed to Sabathia as a starter. The should definitely acquire an extra starter to protect themselves against injury down the stretch, but where does that guy fit? Trading for, say, Johnny Cueto means either Sabathia or Eovaldi (or Nova?) goes to the bullpen and that seems so very unlikely.

This of course is a dumb problem. Making room for a good pitcher is not a “problem.” It’s a minor nuisance. Someone’s feelings will be hurt and you move on. Warren went through it already. The Yankees do need to acquire more pitching at the trade deadline; the guys in the rotation have too many healthy questions to ignore. If that means someone undeserving like Mitchell gets squeezed to Triple-A, so be it. These things always have a way of working themselves out and you’d rather have “too much” pitching than not enough.

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  • The Original Drew

    If the Yankees acquire a Cole Hamels/Cueto type then it has to be CC going to the pen. Though making that sort of trade might cost a Nova/Eovaldi/Warren so the crunch could be solved by the transaction. I never saw a scenario where the Yankees put CC in the pen in favor of Warren, but for Cole Hamels? Yeah I could see that. I guess it depends how CC looks coming out of the break. If he is still the same guy, how does a team with aspirations of going to the postseason continue to trot out one of the worst starters in baseball? Maybe they are winning in spite of him, but I have the think the Yankees won’t make a decision on CC until the last possible second. His past play (no matter how long ago that was) and his contract seems to dictate that.

  • blake

    Go big or go home……it would be great to add more depth just in case of injuries (which is important) …..but they don’t “need” pitching in the same sense they did last year.

    What they should want is a difference maker…..a guy that they could add to the front of the rotation and by effect boot either CC or Nova off the back end. That’s what’ll move the meter ……obviously if they could get Latos really cheap or something like that then ok……

    • The Original Drew

      I like Latos and he seems like the buy low type the Yankees like to acquire at the deadline, but they already have a former Marlin who throws hard but can’t locate on the roster.

  • TheEvilUmpire

    I don’t always drink tequila, but when I do, it’s Johnny Cuerto.

    Now imagine me saying that with a swarthy Spanish accent, a la Ricardo Montalbàn.

    • Stan

      De plane boss de plane

  • Y’s Guy

    I strongly disagree about Severino. He should be the spot starter now. Believe me, He’s not going to think he’s being ‘jerked around’ if they tell him he’s getting a spot start in the bigs.
    And he deserves it, And it’s not going to ‘ruin’ him or anything. This is good pitching development, imo.
    And it’d probably be a really encouraging sign for a certain large RF in Scraton.

    • n0exit

      I think that’s precisely what he is right now.

    • Tom_hamsandwich

      As long as he is on his regular rest then I wouldn’t worry about how it effects him. With Whitley they could bring him up on his throw day or have him start on 4-days rest because he’s Chase Whitley and not Luis Severino.

      • Stan

        I agree…pitching is pitching does it really matter if its at AAA or the majors as long as he in on regular rest?

        Unless the Yankees are worried that if he gets shelled on his first couple of outings he loses confidence I don’t see the problem with it

        • MTU

          Didn’t affect Warren badly.

          • Y’s Guy

            Or Carlos Martinez.

          • Y’s Guy

            …And this idea that we can’t stretch out Warren or Mitchell and start them again this year is ridiculous imo.

  • n0exit

    The only thing I see happening is something like Romine/JRM for Ackley. No big moves, just a better UT bat than Drew.

  • Stan

    If Kazmir is healthy I’d like the Yankees to add him. Could be a solid #3 behind Tanaka and Pineda. Replaces CC as the lefty in the rotation.

    Move CC to the pen as the long man/spot starter and cut ties with Capuano.

    • n0exit

      I keep coming back to “cc is paid to start” and cap is paid to suck. I just don’t see them giving up on cc in the next 2 weeks.

      • Tom_hamsandwich

        I can, if the team starts slow in the second half and he is AWFUL! then they have to make a change, and I believe that they will.

        • Stan

          I know the circumstances are very different but…. did they drop Jeter to the 7 hole at any point last year?

          • n0exit

            He went to ownership and complained when Joe wanted to. The issue with cc is just too much money to quit on mid season.

          • Tom_hamsandwich

            Eh, I wouldn’t compare the 2 situations. Its not CC’s final season of a Historic Yankee career. If the rotation is okay/not great and they are losing games, and CC is not being competitive/a glaring black hole in the rotation, I think there will be a change.

            • Robinson Tilapia

              Yeah. I think it’ll take longer to unseat him as most want (a familiar Yankee fan refrain), but I don’t see it as impossible either.

            • cxz

              I think CC does wind up in the ‘pen before his deal is up, but I don’t think it will be a spur of the moment, mid-late season decision, not with the money he’s paid, unless he becomes literally unbearable to keep anymore. I think it’s something he and the team will discuss and mull in an off season and decide is the best call for all parties if/when it does happen. I won’t say it’s impossible it happens soon, but I don’t see it.

              • Tom_hamsandwich

                I don’t expect it to happen, but in an extreme situation I think it can. If not, then the Yankees are sitting on their hands waiting for the season to be over.

            • Stan

              as i said i know the circumstances are very different… just saying that the Yankees tend to be slow giving the hook to certain players

      • Stan

        Me neither… but of the realistic (not giving up top prospects) scenarios this is my favorite.

    • Tom_hamsandwich

      I agree, but I’m always weary of making deals with the A’s, too often does Billy Beane win trades

  • https://www.facebook.com/daniel.wasserman.35 nsalem

    It seems if the Yankees made a move for another starter it would have to be someone who currently more effective and has a better long term future than than Eavoldi or Nova because that is who the new body be replacing. Unless they are ready to send CC to the pen.

  • DZ

    I have to admit that I’ve been all over the place with this team. At first I thought they desperately needed another bat. Having a struggling Beltran, McCann, Headley, Drew and Didi put too much strain on the top 4 of the lineup. Fortunately, rebounds have actually made the offense better than it was the past two to three years.

    If they go out and trade for an ace (cuteo, hamels, price) they probably go to world series favorites outside of the cardinals. They would have an incredible amount of depth and talent in the top 3 rotation spots. I think the best way to make this happen is trade one or both of Nova and eovaldi, and some of their B+ prospects (sanchez and jagielo/bird). They could then swap CC for Mitchell (something they would never actually do) as well.

    1 Whoever they trade for
    2 Tanaka
    3 Pineda
    4 Eovaldi/Nova
    5 Mitchell/Severino for the stretch run

    • Gary Lawrence

      They can’t put Bryan Mitchell in starting rotation. It is too late for that. He will hurt his arm if you do that. His arm is too used to relieving now.
      He should never have been put in the bullpen initially and remained a starter from when he came out of the minor leagues this year which I have been saying all this time.
      But the Yankees screwed that up! Now they have limited options and will be forced to trade a major prospect away for a decent veteran starter or a boatload of top prospects for an overated Jeff Samardzija or Johnny Cueto. We may end up doing both. Due to how desperate we are now or how desperate we will be eventually this season, we will be trading major prospects away and we are going to ruin Bryan Mitchell’s career as a starting pitcher!!!

      • DZ

        Sky still hasn’t fallen… I actually think they have more option for the rotation than they have in a long time. Not saying its a good idea, but they could trade both Nova and Eovaldi right now and probably get somewhat similar production out of Severino and Mitchell if they wanted to. Coupling that with throwing CC in the pen, and grabbing a frontline pitcher could still make them the favorite out of the AL.

        And cuteo overrated? The dude kills the game.

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  • Robinson Tilapia

    I’d make the unpopular argument that most #10 starters look a lot like the Gas Can and, say, Kyle Davies.

    That being said, sure, I’m all for additional depth here. That “Brandon McCarthy 2.0″ isn’t as easy to spot this season as it was last season, and what this may look like, in the end, is just additional league-average-ish innings eating.

    • MTU

      Meet Mike Leake.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Yeah. That’s pretty much what you’re looking at.

      • Madrugador

        The idea of getting an extra starter is likely a good one but if you can get one, what do you do with him? If you stock him away in the bull pen doesn’t he lose his ability to throw 6-7 innings? If you start him, who do you drop from the rotation?

    • blake

      I don’t see the need for a guy like that right now…..more of a luxury than a need IMO….it’s something to look at but for me the focus should be elsewhere over the next 2 weeks

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Yeah…….this is all if the deal is right. I don’t really feel the need to create one hole in order to fill another.

    • Aaron Juez

      Mat Latos?

      • Ewing33

        I like that target. And the Marlins don’t seem like the sharpest team around these days either.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          So trade for Latos….but switch him out with Fernandez when they’re not looking?

          • Ewing33

            Bait and Switch the Fish?

            • Robinson Tilapia

              WHERE THE HELL IS FERNAN…..HE’S ON THE PLANE TO THE BRONX!

              I’m actually on my laptop, in a meeting right now, and I’ve visibly openly chuckled twice.

      • D$

        Cat Latos ftw.

  • MTU

    Do the Yankees just apply a patch and wait for the OS, or do they go for it right here and now ?
    Heretofore called the 64 thousand dollar question.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Apply the patch. It’s still a pair of jeans that’s gotten you pretty far.

      • MTU

        501’s are damn good jeans.
        And they even have the oversized crotch the Yankees like.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          That button fly really does become easy to manage after a while.

          • MTU

            If they’re god enough for Favre they’re alright by me.

            • Robinson Tilapia

              It’s been 511’s the past few years. Right amount of comfort, but still trying to hang on to some semblance of youth.

              • MTU

                Turn up a vintage pair in some old mining town and you’re set for life.

      • DZ

        I really think this might be the yankees best opportunity to win in the next 2 years. Im not sure you can count on Arod repeating this performance for the life of his contract, Teix is most likely gone after next year (again who knows if he can repeat in 2016), who knows what Beltran will do either. The yankees will likely have young guys fill those holes (Bird, Jagielo, Judge) none of whom would be in their primes.

        • Tom

          Tex has to stay glutton free.

          • MTU

            You must be thinking of an unamed 3b up North instead.

  • Ewing33

    I think you are on target that it will squeeze Mitchell down to AAA for a month until it is all hands on deck in September.

  • Rob Reddardfsnyder

    I would call up Severino to replace CC. Cut Capuano and put CC in the pen. God willing CC’s degernative knee will flare up again and he’ll be forced to retire. If they can get a starter without giving up any of the top prospects I would do it, but only if he replaces CC in the rotation and not Nova or Eovaldi.

    • Tom_hamsandwich

      Its bad to wish injury on a player, but if your going to at least wish for the shoulder injury that gets the Yankees out for under the contract (albatross)

      • Septhinox

        Albatross is an understatement. At his current progression, CC’s contract will end up being the worse FA contract in baseball history.

        • Ewing33

          Tanaka’s opt out is going to be fun next off season. And by “fun,” I mean not fun.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            After 2017.

            • Ewing33

              True. I had in my head he has an opt out after three years. That was the CC contract I think.

              • Robinson Tilapia

                Glad you mentioned it. I actually thought it was five.

      • Game 3

        Any chance he has a shoulder injury, but is hiding it just to collect the $?

  • blake

    I want Mitchell right where he is for the rest of the season …..him, Warren, and Shreveport have really stabilized the pen…..

    • MTU

      Shreveport has been using his Baton Rouge on the opposition.

    • cxz

      But Warren iz a stahhting pitchah!

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Tough to fit an entire city on the 40-man, though.

      • MTU

        True but mountains are not a problem somehow.

        • Stan

          Don’t make a mountain out of a mole hill

          • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

            don’t say mole, I said mole…….mole.

  • Dos Luises

    Hard to believe the first place yanks would be pining for Chase. You just can’t predict…

  • MTU

    Let’s make a deal. We have the pieces. :)
    I’m hungry for a burrito.

  • The A-Train

    LOUD NOIZES!!!11!!!1 CC SUKZ!!1!! CUT HIM111!1!

  • Dan A.

    They certainly need SP help. But they also have to be willing to move CC to the pen if they get that help. If they’re not willing to do that, any impact of a SP won’t be felt nearly as much.

  • Vern Sneaker

    The trade itself might create the roster space, no?

  • D$

    Am I the only one that thinks Warren might be included in a trade for a SP?

    • Ewing33

      Curious to see how people would rank the trade value of Mitchell, Warren, Nova and Eovaldi. I would probably rank them:

      1) Eovaldi
      2) Mitchell
      3) Warren
      4) Nova

      Maybe swap MItchell and Warren, not sure, but Mitchell will be cheaper and more team control.

    • MTU

      His near-clone Phelpsy was.

      • D$

        I mean, it makes sense in the sense that we have a bunch of pitching, but only so much roster space. Swap CC/Warren in SP/RP, then swap Warren out for an upgrade.

        If they were in fact, seriously looking at Cueto (as some reports seem to suggest) what type of package including Warren would that be? Warren and Judge?

        • MTU

          Not sure what the Reds need.
          But I’m sure at least 1 top prospect would have to be included.

    • Gregory Eckes

      Nope. I think Warren has good value and in a package could acquire a major starter. CC’s not coming out unless he really blows up (we’re talking 6-7 ERA here). Eo has pitched well enough recently to avoid the axe. The interesting thing is that the main reason to get another starter is because of injury risk to Pineda and Tanaka. A supposition.

      • D$

        CC’s not coming out unless he really blows up (we’re talking 6-7 ERA here)

        Not only do I think this is a real possibility (the 6-7 ERA part), but I wouldn’t be entirely surprised to see them put him in the BP as the season gets closer to the end. Especially if we’re not running away with the division, but still in the lead, and we make a deal for another SP. They’re not going to put him in the BP for Warren. But they would for Cueto, I think.

      • Ewing33

        A 5.5 era and getting your knee drained in between starts is not “really blowing up.” A guy off the street could throw up a 7 era.

        • Gregory Eckes

          Exactly

        • D$

          Which guy? He should replace CC. Is it the one in the Bernie Williams jersey?

          • Ewing33

            I think Axisa said he was a pitcher back in his playing days. Suit him up!

            • D$

              I’m still in the drag-Cone-out-of-retirement mentality…

              • Some Asshole
                • Bertin Lefkovic

                  Love this. But what comes right before this is priceless. Luis Sojo saying, “Hey Coney! Maybe you should have your own dance.” I miss Luis Sojo.

    • cxz

      Nope, I think it’s reasonable to think, Warren has built enough value to be an interesting speculative trade chip, for an arm or really anything on the market. I don’t think it’s likely, NY really likes him and so do a lot of the fans, but I think ruling it out entirely is doing yourself no favors. If a team is looking for a controllable arm whose proven in the big leagues as a piece of a return, Warren is an interesting candidate, especially given his ability to both start and work out of the pen. Don’t think that’s a popular sentiment among fans, but it’s certainly not out of the realm of consideration.

      • MTU

        We have several guys who we could consider as moveable options.

        i.e. Warren, Nova, Mitchell, etc.And we have a ton of RP to offer.

    • Scott

      I think Warren might, but don’t sleep on the Yanks trading Eovaldi if the return is right.

      • D$

        I think I’d rather that. But I’m not sure other teams see the same potential in Eo as the Yanks do. So I think valuation might be a bit off.

      • cxz

        I don’t know if it’d make sense to deal him unless a team likes his potential. His current value isn’t all that high, and teams will use that against NY on the market. His real value comes in the form of upside, and teams opinion of his will vary. Not impossible, but I think he’d be hard to deal in a manner that makes sense for both sides.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I think he’s fair game. Sure.

  • Y’s Guy

    If you look at how the Cards have used Carlos Martinez the past 2 years, back and forth from starting to bp and from AAA to the bigs (after only 3 AAA starts!) and see the pitcher he’s become, you have to laugh at the way the Yankees treat pitchers like they’re made of porcelain.

    • MTU

      Rangers tried the same thing w Feliz and blew out his arm.
      So who frickin’ knows hombre.

      • Y’s Guy

        If I thought they were preventing any injuries, I’d agree that they should take it easy on them but I don’t believe it does. I think giving kids a chance to see how their stuff stacks up, even if they get their asses handed to them, is a good thing in development. If the kid is good and can overcome, he’ll learn and fight his way back, if he doesn’t have that, he’ll never make it anyway.

        • MTU

          Not totally opposed to using the pen as a vehicle but avoid the
          yo-yo effect for sure IMO.
          Have a plan and provide some consistency is all I would ask.

          • Y’s Guy

            But for the Cards, the plan and the consistency is this: we’re going to expose you to the big leagues in any way we can get you the innings while we continue to have you start in the minors.

            • MTU

              That’s one approach.
              They have had their fair share of TJS.
              I’m not a fan of the all-hands-on-deck approach to pitching
              development.
              That said I am not sure anyone has a handle on how to
              prevent arm injuries.
              Some sage advice out there from Dr. Andrews IMO.

        • D$

          I tend to agree. But it’s also important to remember (I get it, it was just an example) but Martinez isn’t a great example. Most rankings have him as a ceiling #4/5 pitcher. Cardinals pump out pitchers like and Irish Catholic family pumps out kids. I’m not sure they really care.

          • Y’s Guy

            He was ranked mid 30’s for 3 years as a prospect.
            Maybe those Catholics are on to something when it comes to pitcher development, right?

          • Y’s Guy

            Somebody needs to tell the NL about lil Pedro’s ceiling.
            And they need to tell them that its only a coincidence that they developed Adam Wainwright the same way and he wasn’t as highly rated as Martinez.

            • MTU

              And Wainwright wound up blowing out his arm.
              As did Carpenter before him.

              • Y’s Guy

                As did a million other guys, some of whom never threw a pitch out of the bullpen and never got sent down once. Unless you can show me the correlation between the way the Cards develop pitchers and arm injuries I’ll go with the Cards way of development.

                • MTU

                  You are certainly entitled to your opinion.
                  For me, I’ll go w what the best experts I can think of say like Andrews.
                  From what I have ascertained I don’t think Dr. A would approve
                  of that approach.

                  • Y’s Guy

                    You dont think? Are you sure the Cardinals arent following his advice? I don’t know who their advisers are but I dont think they pulled their development plan out of a hat.

                    • MTU

                      Back at ya’.
                      Are you sure they are ?
                      Anyways, I hope our guys stay healthy is all.

                    • Y’s Guy

                      Spot start Severino next chance you get. Send either Warren or Mitchell down and stretch them out (then call them back up and put them in the bp if you need to). We want our young guys getting a taste of the big and of the Yankees and of the pennant race!

                    • MTU

                      Pretty sure it won’t be too much longer before we see Mr. Luis in some capacity.
                      Especially if he continues the way he has thus far.

              • Y’s Guy

                as did Harvey and Wheeler who never saw the bullpen and never got sent down.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I think we think they’re treating them like they’re built with porcelain. I’m not sure they truly feel that way.

      Pitchers have gone back and forth from starting to pen since caveman times.

      • Tom

        It seems more young pitchers are going under the knife these days.

        • D$

          I’ve heard the arguement made that a potential cause of that is too much babying of the pitchers at a young age so they haven’t built the stamina. No base behind it, but an interesting theory. And yes, I’m fully aware that the game is evolving and pitching is different now. More pitchers averaging high 90s, etc.

          • Deep Thoughts

            I have only heard that from old dumb jocks like Goose Gossage and John Smoltz, who were busy patting themselves on the back with one hand while the other was down the front of their underwear. Most credible educated guesses indicate there is a link to insufficient rest for kids, i.e. year-round ball with no off-seasons or longer recovery periods.

            • Some Asshole

              It’s pretty funny coming from a guy like Smoltz that had the surgery.

            • JLC 776

              I think that theory is rapidly becoming gospel – and it makes a ton of sense. You get kids who make it to the minors who have thrown almost twice as many pitches as kids a generation ago. There also seems to be a higher rate of TJS for guys from more moderate climates (TX, Southern CA, etc) where year-round baseball is much more of a thing than it is in northern climates.

              • Deep Thoughts

                I mean, I think it’s very plausible as a major factor. I think there’s all sorts of *other* plausible factors too. Things in life are very rarely “either/or;” one must also consider genetics (both size and durability), mechanics, quality of coaching and medical care, and so on.

                What interests me most, I think, is which rest intervals are important, or relatively more or less important? 1) limiting pitches per start; 2) rest between starts or throwing sessions; or 3) long recovery periods during or between seasons?

            • Robinson Tilapia

              Gossage telling you about how he pitched three innings a night is Al Bundy telling you about his high school football career.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          No one’s saying that’s the reason, though.

      • Axis of Mike

        Agree w the fish man here. I keep saying: the Yanks will not sacrifice their season for CC’s feelings, but as we’ve seen repeatedly, they act on things much more slowly than we want, and I’ve come to at least consider they might be wiser than me!

    • LazerTown

      One guy not needing it yet proves nothing. Wain needed surgery

      • Y’s Guy

        So did Harvey who never went up or down or pitched out of the BP so that unproves nothing.

  • MTU

    Just trying to tread water in a fast moving river is dangerous.
    Yankees shouldn’t try it.

    • D$

      I’m all about grabbing a tube and a case of beer and hitting that river head on!

      • MTU

        You’re a brave lad. Try it in a kayak sometime.

        • D$

          The tube was for the beer. I’m swimmin’!

          • MTU

            Don’t drink and swim.
            Get drunk on the shore.

            • Stan

              unless you drink like a fish

              • Robinson Tilapia

                You rang?

                • Tom

                  Sends remote control car to mom’s foot.

            • blake

              If you get too drunk on the shore you’re going to end up in the water

  • calripyankee

    I’m guessing right now, J DePaula-LHP and maybe K Davies-RHP are the ‘ new’ C Whitleys??

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Both are mostly just holding spots in AAA. That is far from what Whitley’s role is/was.

  • MTU

    C U all later.
    Be good.
    And if you can’t be good be careful.
    And if you can’t good and you can’t be careful.
    Be good and careful.

    • Axis of Mike

      You too! Hoping to be checking in tomorrow night. Damn, I need me some baseball!

  • JLC 776

    Baseless hopeful prediction: This guy turns into Moose and delivers us #28.

  • LazerTown

    Don’t see the need to add another pitcher that wouldn’t be in the rotation anyways. I don’t see that this team really needs to make any significant moves

    • Y’s Guy

      Who’s your 4 SPs for the ALCS?

      • AllPraiseBeToMo

        Tanaka, Pineda, Eovaldi, Nova right now.

        • Y’s Guy

          You’d better beat Keuchel and McCullers somehow because you’re getting killed in games 3 and 4 and wearing out the BP.

    • calripyankee

      I agree!!!

  • Y’s Guy

    You can’t go into the playoffs with 2 starters and a prayer.

    • ChuckIt

      3 starters & a Rosary will work, though…

  • Harris K.

    I think this team is at the point where it should either trade for a top flight SP, or not make a significant move whatsoever. A guy like Mike Leake would not make sense whatsoever, but a guy like Cueto, or even Kazmir would really boost their odds of making a run deep in the playoffs.

    Would the Reds entertain a package of Eovaldi, Gary Sanchez, and Mason Williams for Cueto though?

    • captainmike

      contact the Reds GM and see what he thinks

  • Kilgore Trout

    Gardner and Warren for Price and Cespedes — Who says no?

    • captainmike

      Detroit maybe ??????

      • Kilgore Trout

        Gardner + Nova?

        • captainmike

          contact the Detroit GM and see what he thinks

          • AllPraiseBeToMo

            Interesting proposal, though I think Detroits owner doesn’t care about the money it will take to resign either.

  • captainmike

    I GOT AN IDEA !!!

    why don’t we get manny back !!!

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  • captainmike

    the trading of manny B and almost giving up on Delin reminds me of a great scene in the wizard of Oz
    sometimes the best pitchers are the ones you don’t give up on.
    we gave up on manny B and it will come back to haunt us forever

    Tin Woodsman:
    What have you learned, Dorothy?

    Dorothy:
    Well, I – I think that it – it wasn’t enough to just want to see Uncle
    Henry and Auntie Em – and it’s that – if I ever go looking for my
    heart’s desire again, I won’t look any further than my own back yard.
    Because if it isn’t there, I never really lost it to begin with! Is that
    right?

    • HoopDreams

      So Manny B was in the Wizard of Oz?

      • captainmike

        uuuuhhhh, no
        the lesson learned is that Manny was the diamond we traded away and now are trying to replace

  • SweetSpot

    I don’t understand your Luis Severino comment Mike. How is promoting a pitcher who is 5-0 with a 1.79 ERA and a 0.95 WHIP in AAA ‘jerking him around?’

    • AllPraiseBeToMo

      If they promote him and then limit his innings/starts since he’s coming up on his yearly amount, that would be jerking him around a bit. Whitley was perfect, someone you could throw out for long innings on short rest, without really caring about the consequences.

      • SweetSpot

        Not if Severino is ten times better. Also, the season is more than half over so innings are manageable. This is normal development these days it’s not ‘jerking someone around.’

  • AllPraiseBeToMo

    A bit off topic, but in Keith Law’s chat today:
    Jake (PA)
    So it sounds like the Yankees have 4-5 top 100 prospects right now with Judge, Severino, Kap, Mateo and Bird. That’s a big jump for that system over the last 2 years no?
    Klaw(1:52 PM)
    And Clarkin would be a top 100 guy if he were healthy (still hasn’t pitched this year but I don’t think he ever went under the knife … River Ave Blues doesn’t say so either).

    Impressive turnaround.

  • YankeeFan™

    At this point I’m all for putting Sabathia as our long man if we can acquire a better starting pitcher.

    • ChuckIt

      If he could just get out of that f#@#%ing 2nd inning….!