Yankees, offense absolutely annihilate Rangers for a 21-5 victory

DotF: Judge's big day at the plate and in the field helps Scranton to a win
Poll: The Second Base Situation

There are games where the offense does a pretty good job and there are ones where it absolutely explodes, and then some. Tonight falls into the latter category. After Chris Capuano gave up five runs in the first inning, the Yanks scored eleven in the second and, well, scored ten more later. The Yankees scored 21 runs in total and two relievers – Diego Moreno and Adam Warren – allowed zero hits after Capuano got knocked out.

That changeup probably didn’t get a batter out (Source: Getty)

Capuanope

Not all of us were optimistic when Joe Girardi announced Capuano would start tonight’s game. The result? Pretty, pretty bad. Capuano did not complete the first inning, walked five, allowed five earned runs, and got knocked out of the game with two outs and bases loaded after walking in a run. Yeesh. You would think that, because he had a decent 2014 showing, Capuano still has something left as a spot starter but … definitely not tonight.

After tonight’s start, the lefty has an ugly 6.97 ERA in 31.0 IP. That’s like, not ML roster-worthy at all. Not sure how long he’ll stick after tonight’s start, but fortunately for the Yanks, the offense dominated in Arlington.

Got the runs going up … on a Tuesday

It’d be excruciatingly long to summarize everything that happened in the top of the second so I’ll just leave this right here:

Martin Perez pitching for Texas NYY TEX
Young doubled to left. 0 5
Headley singled to center, Young scored. 1 5
Murphy singled to left, Headley to second. 1 5
Gregorius hit by pitch, Headley to third, Murphy to second. 1 5
Ryan doubled to right center, Headley and Murphy scored, Gregorius to third. 3 5
Ellsbury singled to center, Gregorius scored, Ryan to third. 4 5
Gardner singled to center, Ryan scored, Ellsbury to second. 5 5
Rodriguez doubled to deep left, Ellsbury scored, Gardner to third. 6 5
Rodríguez relieved Pérez. 6 5
Teixeira struck out swinging. 6 5
Young walked. 6 5
Headley singled to left, Gardner scored, Rodriguez to third, Young to second. 7 5
Murphy struck out swinging. 7 5
Gregorius tripled to deep left center, Rodriguez, Young and Headley scored. 10 5
Ryan doubled to deep left, Gregorius scored. 11 5
Ellsbury struck out swinging. 11 5
11 Runs, 10 Hits, 0 Error

Several things to note here. First, the Yankees started with eight consecutive baserunners. Eight! Second, all the outs were via swinging strikeouts, which is kind of odd considering how well the bats were squaring thing up, but baseball is weird. Third, who else would it be besides Brendan Ryan to have two extra-base hits in the same inning? Oh man, this was pretty fun to watch. The inning started with hopes to chip away piece by piece to eventually tie it up, but the Yankees totally destroyed Martin Perez and took a huge lead.

Also, geez, Perez looked decent in the first inning but had basically nothing working on in second. You thought Capuano’s game score of 21 is bad? (Well, it is actually pretty horrid) Perez has 8. So that’s that.

(Source: Getty)

At 11-5, the Yankees offense was far from done. In the top of third, New York quickly loaded the bases without an out against Wandy Rodriguez on two singles and a walk. Chris Young, who has killed lefties all season, hit one on the screws for a grand slam. 15-5 Yankees with no out in the third. Wowza.

(Source: Getty)

5.1 no-hit innings

How about Diego Moreno? The guy had toiled in minors since 2009, came over to New York as a part of the A.J. Burnett deal, and made his ML debut in June as a 27-year old. Now, as a 28-year old rookie (his birthday was a week ago), he fired 5.1 no-hit innings and saved a lot of bullpen arms from being used tonight.

Moreno is known for his big arm but he had a lot more than velocity going tonight. He went after hitters, generated swings-and-misses with his heat and secondary pitches, and, of course, located very well. The only baserunner he allowed was Shin-Soo Choo, who walked in the third. When it was all said and done, Moreno exited the game with a line of 5.1 IP, 0 H, 1 BB and 5 K’s. Pretty nice. Tonight’s performance should earn him at least few more looks up in the majors.

More runs!

In the top fourth, with runners on corners and two outs, Phil Klein induced a grounder from Chris Young and it seemed like the Rangers were actually getting out of the inning without any runs allowed … then Elvis Andrus couldn’t come up with the play. The ball hit the heel of his glove and everybody was safe. Oh, and Brett Gardner scored. 16-5 Yankees.

Top sixth, Spencer Patton replaced Klein on the mound. Gardner walked to lead off. Klein struck out A-Rod but hit Mark Teixeira on the right foot. With one out and runners on first and second, Chris Young drilled a mammoth double to left to score Gardner. 17-5 Yanks. At this point (or way before), it was pretty silly. But John Ryan Murphy joined the fun in the inning by driving in both runners with an RBI single. 19-5!

Well, you know what tends to happen when a team happens colossal amount of runs – the other team lets a position player pitch! The Rangers brought in the infielder Adam Rosales for their mound in the ninth. For a guy who just seemed to be lobbing the ball to plate, he had a decent velocity – reaching 91 mph in the FS1 gun. But that didn’t stop Gardner from hitting a big two-run homer to extend the lead 21-5.

Leftovers

Didi Gregorius had a pretty big game. He went 4-for-5, setting a career high in hits in a game. His batting average is now up to .257, which is pretty nice considering 1) he’s a shortstop 2) he was in the early-.200’s for a good chunk of the first months of the season. Great to see Didi showing some good bat as the season goes on.

Buried under Moreno’s brilliance tonight was Adam Warren’s performance. In fact, Warren threw three perfect innings. His line is as clean as it can get: 3.0 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 0 K. He came into the game in the seventh inning and closed it out as well. Also, he got a save! The first of the season for him!

Box score, standings, highlights, WPA

Here’s tonight’s box score, updated standings, video highlights and WPA.


Source: FanGraphs


You could hypothetically expect less runs tomorrow based on the starters –  Masahiro Tanaka and Colby Lewis – but you never know, baseball is weird. Yankees play again at 8:05 PM EST tomorrow. We’ll see how fun this one gets.

DotF: Judge's big day at the plate and in the field helps Scranton to a win
Poll: The Second Base Situation
  • Stan

    Since the Yankees hit black jack This should count as a win and a half

  • Nuke Guy

    Awesome job by Moreno tonight. The lineup looks ten times better if Didi continues to get better every month.

  • WhittakerWalt

    Off topic, but Papelbon is an asshole. He demanded to be traded to a contender and would only waive his NTC if the team he’s traded to promises to use him as closer.
    I’m so glad we didn’t trade for him.

    • RANDALLK34

      Why would we trade for him? That wasn’t even in the realm of possibility.

      • WhittakerWalt

        It was talked about for a while, back when we had no righthanded relievers other than Betances.

    • TCF16

      Eh, it’s all leverage. Not that I’m a fan, but he’s 11 closing opportunities away from a $16mm buyout. It’s fair to want that option to be exercised. And he can demand whatever he wants, but the Phillies didn’t have to trade him. The Phillies could’ve said, we’ll trade you to the Yankees, but they’re gonna use in the 7th. Want it? But anyway, he’s still an asshole. I don’t know why I’m defending him.

  • Bertin Lefkovic

    Anybody else watching Yankees Encore?

  • Still Stucky

    But.. but Brendan Ryan started.

    But… but, they didn’t hit in spring training.

    But… but, thy haven’t made a trade,

    I give it about 12 hours before people start worrying about Baltimore rather than Toronto.

  • BD11

    Wonder if the 4th place Blue Jays will make more moves… ;)

    • RANDALLK34

      Maybe add another bat?

      • Dave Guarnieri

        I would doubt it, but over at Twitter some people are of the mindset that Toronto will flip Tulo for pitching. Toronto tweeted an official denial. One thing is for certain, they are not done.

        • Evan3457

          Full no trade kicks in for Tulo, now that he’s been dealt once. So they can’t trade him without his consent this time.

          • David Guarnieri

            Suppose he just wants the Hell out of there?

  • Bertin Lefkovic

    Would it be wrong to masturbate to the 11-run top of the 2nd?

    • Deep Thoughts

      This is so meta, considering all your questions are masturbatory exercises.

      • Bertin Lefkovic

        Mental masturbation vs physical.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      In front of minors? Yes.

      • TCF16

        I read that as in front of mirrors. Which is worse, in a way.

  • http://cheapinkstore.com Cheapness Smithy

    The save rules are pretty ridiculous if a guy can get credit for a save when he comes in with a 19-5 lead.

    • RetroRob

      You can thank Jerome Holtzman for the save rule. I’m sure he meant no harm, but he ended up changing the game since teams now manage to the one-inning reliever and save. That is, unless it’s a three-inning save in a 19-5 game.

  • kikojones

    Mike Axisa reminisced about early in the season when 2 runs seemed like an insurmountable hole for the offense. Now, it’s like 5 are no longer a thing. These guys aren’t as good as the ’09 team, but they’re sure playing like ’em. Damn.

    • http://riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      This team is awesome, but Nick Swisher hit .249/.371/.498 and batted eighth in 2009.

      • Sir Didi Nakamura

        120 OPS+ or so, maybe 129. That gets you like 140+ nowadays, doesn’t it?

  • Bertin Lefkovic

    Brian McCann looks like Vincent D’Onofrio in Full Metal Jacket.

    • InvalidUserID

      Haha…he actually kind of does.

    • Veteran presents

      I’ve said this many a times. Pyle!!!

  • RetroRob

    Team is 4-1 halfway through its 10-game road trip. Let the good times keep rolling.

  • Sir Didi Nakamura
    • Refstroke Heathcott

      Price shouldn’t have even tossed it to first and instead just stood there with his hands on his hips.

  • Sir Didi Nakamura

    Coming in I wanted a split but 3 games will do. Also was hoping for a 4-3 finish to this road trip starting with the Texas series, and only need 2-3 to do that. How about we bump it up to 5-2?

    • Dalek Jeter

      Get greedy. Sweep the bastards.

      • Frittoman626

        ^I second this

      • Sir Didi Nakamura

        Don’t do this, you always ask for the under.

        • Dalek Jeter

          Sure if you’re betting, but at this point 3-4 should be expected and the sweep hoped for.

          • Sir Didi Nakamura

            I’m hoping for a sweep too, Tanaka/Midsize Mike (He’s 2-0 or something in MSMike starts) will get us the sweep.

          • https://twitter.com/missvykki vicki

            just win the series, which would make it seven in a row.

  • https://twitter.com/missvykki vicki

    take that, negative road run differential.

  • SoooPitted

    Can someone please explain to me why a save was issued tonight?

    • Dan

      Warren threw the last 3 innings as a reliever and held the lead = automatic save

    • Sir Didi Nakamura

      If a pitcher comes in for the final 3 innings with a lead he gets a save.

    • Frittoman626

      What constitutes a save:

      -He is the finishing pitcher in a game won by his team;
      -He is not the winning pitcher;
      -He is credited with at least ? of an inning pitched; and
      -He satisfies one of the following conditions:
      a.He enters the game with a lead of no more than three runs and pitches for at least -one inning
      b.He enters the game, regardless of the count, with the potential tying run either on base, at bat or on deck
      c.He pitches for at least three innings

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Because the rules of baseball dictate it.

  • Sir Didi Nakamura

    Graph looks awesome, how many graphs have a team bottomed out at 1% or lower for 6 innings straight?

    • vwnut13

      …probably every time an early blowout happens…

      • Sir Didi Nakamura

        I haven’t seen many over the past 2 years, forgive me. ????

  • Emilio

    This team isn’t that bad on the road and, for the most part, hasn’t been all season. Coming into the trip they were 23-25 which is comfortably in the top half of the league.

    I love that Gardner puts the cherry on top at the end against Rosales. That is how it’s done.

  • InvalidUserID

    I thoroughly enjoyed tonight’s game especially after Capuano’s stinker that was the 1st, or part of, the 1st inning.

  • Some Asshole

    So…I missed this.

    • RetroRob

      Clearly you’re an asshole.

    • ropeadope1

      Same here, but I’m going to watch right now.

    • n0exit

      Sad life. As it happened it was unreal. Go back and read the game thread.

    • Sir Didi Nakamura

      And on this day I realized that I was on the same level as some asshole. It was a good day.

      • Some Asshole

        I hope there’s proof in the game thread.

  • grandedan

    They’ve won four out of five this road trip and have had just one good starting performance–Eovaldi. With this performance by Capuano, more garbage by CC, Pineda hitting the wall and Nova “fatigued,” the need for another starter has multiplied.

    I wonder if Moreno will be sent down. He’s really no use to them for a few days. I hope they consider him for another start in the future. He’s got good stuff, three pitches and was actually doing pretty well in Scranton before this call up.

  • n0exit

    Diego Moreno has made 11 starts in pro ball. 6 were in rookie ball in 2008. This game is completely unbelievable.

    • bernbabybern

      Diego Unchained

  • Sir Didi Nakamura

    9-2 since the All-Star break

    • n0exit

      Like you said, 14-5 sinch fighting spirit. That really kick started the season.

  • David23

    Does Severino get the call tomorrow? He is the most rested of potential multiple inning relievers!

    • cuntlipz

      No

    • Sir Didi Nakamura

      No way, September 1st at the earliest unless they think/want him to start in the Majors before then. Should get August to get starts in AAA and come up when rosters expand to finish out in the bullpen and get some MLB experience. That’s if they even want him to get experience in the MLB bullpen at all.

      I wouldn’t expect Severino to make any contributions to the Yankees 2015 season (Besides a trade) and even if he were to contribute anything it would probably not be a huge ton because he’d likely be a reliever. But it would be great to see him get a callup to the bullpen for September, guess that would mean they think he’s ready or extremely close to being ready to come into tge 2016 Spring Training fighting for a rotation spot. That would be extremely exciting.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      You will get your Nick Rumbelow and like it.

  • Veteran presents

    Moreno for Hamels.

    • n0exit

      Actually prefer Moreno. Don’t think Hamels could have matched his fighting spirit tonight.

  • dkidd

    watched the ranger broadcast and they mentioned that pentland made a big change to didi’s swing in june, making his front side stronger. hadn’t heard that, but i’m loving the idea that didi is now permanently “fixed”

    • Deep Thoughts

      kenny and coney and paulie had been screaming it for what felt like all summer.

      • dkidd

        always the last to know…

        • Deep Thoughts

          Agree though. Very exciting to think he’s learning to control and apply his talent consistently.

          • dkidd

            and yet the always savvy diamondbacks bet on chris owings

            • n0exit

              It doesn’t matter who they back. They’re the diamonbacks, whoever they keep will stink.

            • James

              We definitely benefited from that.

            • vwnut13

              Owings BA the past three years.

              .291
              .261
              .231

              Not too many more years and he’ll be Stephen Drew.

              • sevrox

                LOL

  • W.B. Mason Williams

    Too many runs. Baseball teams don’t win when they rely on being good at half of the game.

    Let’s see what this comment brings me tonight.

    • cuntlipz

      Tom brady is bald

    • LazerTown

      Pitching and defense is what wins ballgames.

      • Sir Didi Nakamura

        Wrong. TWTW.

  • Sir Didi Nakamura

    Brendan Ryan up to .276/.323/.517, 127 wRC+ in 31 PA and 11 games. 8 H with 3 being 2B (!) and 2 being 3B. (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

    All we need is a booming line drive HR by him and we’ll officially be in an alternate universe where Brendan Ryan can hit.

    He also only had 4 XBH (All 2B) last season in 49 games and has 5 XBH this season now. Not only that, he has a 0.1 WAR this season. He’s contributed something positive to the 2015 Yankees!

    • W.B. Mason Williams

      The Vernon Wells of this July.

  • NYYFanFromThePhilippines

    Can we call this a come back blow out victory?

  • cuntlipz

    Ichiro is no longer good at his job.

  • Cool Yankees Dude

    #BrendanRyanFor2B

    • n0exit

      How sad is it that someone would hashtag this?

      • Cool Yankees Dude

        Is it really sad when he’s hitting about .300

  • Deep Thoughts

    “You’re never as good as everyone tells you when you win, and you’re never as bad as they say when you lose.” –Lou Holtz

    http://media.bonnint.net/dn/1/186/18641.jpg

    • JLC 776

      This team has been the epitome of that this year (hell, I’ve actually paraphrased the same quote a couple of times). It’s been a year of winning streaks and losing streaks with almost nothing in between.

  • Mike Myers

    if joe moregan was announcing “cap is just pitching to the score. thats what vets do.”

    • Y’s Guy

      the score was 0-0 when he started and 5-0 when he left.

  • GoGoPlatter

    It’s a tired phase, but Moreno is s classic big arm guy. I’d they can get three months of live action out of his arm it’s a huge success. It’s funny how interchangeable Moreno and Campos are at such different ages. It’s almost like the Yanks have type they look for in pitching…

    • n0exit

      What? You mean he isn’t a CY young candidate?

  • Madrugador

    I am wondering why they wouldn’t DFA Capuano? Aren’t there better options at AAA?

    • n0exit

      Esmil? They want garbage in the long man role as he doesn’t pitch that often. Not using mitchell because he has to keep starting.

    • whileaway

      Once they figure out what to do with him and the 2 million or so that´s still owed to him. NY´s worst signing of the off season .

      • n0exit

        Hardly. He served his purpose when he was needed. At this stage of the season, its not like you can expect much from him. He just hasn’t pitched a lot.

        • whileaway

          Hardly ? 5 million for a washed up pitcher ? You show me when he “served his purpose“ that NY couldn´t have otherwise provided from their farm system.

          • n0exit

            When he made those starts before Nova was.back. People conveniently forget that Bryan Mitchell was a BB machine last season. $5m is nothing they could DFA that whenever they want.

            • calripyankee

              Mitchell finished AAA strong last season..

              • n0exit

                This year Mitchell has 4.4 BB/9 in AAA. Let’s not act like he was some finished product waiting to be called up.

        • calripyankee

          He’s pitched 31 innings.. That’s 31 innings too many..

    • https://youtu.be/alYXF7a9N3U Memory Bread

      1.75 million.

      • n0exit

        Isn’t it too early for Hal is cheap?

        • LazerTown

          Hal is cheap at all times of day.

  • JLC 776

    I had to watch this game via gameday and my wife was questioning my sanity from the constant laughing.

    File this one under #YCPB and #LoveThisTeam

  • Mustang

    I’m very happy.

    • Adam

      You didn’t seem so happy in the game thread during that first inning. Lol

      • Mustang

        That problem is DFA!!!!!!!!!
        so you can another “very ” in there.

    • Sir Didi Nakamura

      Remember when you were complaining about not being able to get 10 games over .500?

      How about now? :)

      • Mustang

        I LOVE YOU MAN!!!!!!

      • Mustang

        I LOVE YOU MAN!!!!

  • Robinson Tilapia

    So there was some major league trolling which got deleted, and the only person it roped in was some random commenter named Travis Bickle. Good times.

    This game was a thing of beauty. Thank goodness we scored 21 runs. We’re going to have to every night, now that Tulo can probably match that on any given night.

    • JLC 776

      You talkin’ to me? I guess he thought so…

    • n0exit

      It started with the lame criticism of Tom Verducci (intentionally mispelled) and his color commentary and that he can’t possibly do that job because he’s never played. Some poster that comments way too often on Newsday.

      • blake

        I like verducci

        • calripyankee

          Me too..

        • Robinson Tilapia

          I don’t think he was terrible last night at all. I just think they got into this “good bullpen” conversation in which they would completely contradict themselves throughout.

          Other than that, I found their disdain at the stadium food to be lol funny.

        • RANDALLK34

          Fox1, Fox, both bring horrible broadcasts.

      • RANDALLK34

        I intentionally misspelled it? yeah ok, and why would i so that exactly?

        And the guy is horrible, like i said, i don’t need some moron sports writer constantly telling me how to play major league baseball.

  • calripyankee

    Probably the most enjoyable game of the season..

  • JLC 776

    I spent most of the 2nd inning going, “Yeah, but we have Moreno and God knows who else needing to pitch deep into this game… this will likely still result in Betances and Miller making an appearance.”

    Just an amazing job by Diego to go deep into this game.

    • 86w183

      Warren, too. They combined for 8 1/3 hit less, scoreless innings. Nice to get credit for a “save” protecting a double digit lead!

      Capuano must go. There is zero justification for keeping him on the roster.

      • JLC 776

        At least you expect it from Warren, I had to google Moreno when he came in!

        But, you are absolutely correct, credit where it’s due and Warren did his job perfectly as well.

  • Jman1213

    Why do I have a feeling that Capuano’s Yankee stint is about to be brought to you by the letters D, F, and A?

  • blake

    15 games over

    • 86w183

      63 games to go. 34-29 gets them 91wins… Seems like that would be disappointing at this stage.

      Patience with Didi really paying off. He’s hitting .286 since May 27.

      • blake

        He’s a different guy now

        • whileaway

          looks can be deceiving

      • JLC 776

        That’s both a solid sample and a believable narrative (that this is the real Didi given the pressures of NY/Jeter/etc). I love it!

        • n0exit

          You can also see the mechanical changes he’s made. He has some hope. Hopefully he can develop and maintain a respectable approach at the plate.

    • YankeeB

      20 is next. And that was the mark that Joe Torre said was the time you started thinking realistically about postseason play.

      • blake

        yup

  • n0exit

    People calling for the Capuano DFA realise it means Esmil is back right?

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Not necessarily.

      • n0exit

        Mitchell’s not sitting out there whiling away his time. That’s for sure.

  • The Original Drew

    How does Warren get credited with a save when the Yankees out scored them by 16 runs?

    • n0exit

      For Saving the bullpen not the game.

    • JLC 776

      The third stipulation is being the non-starting pitcher that ends the game but pitches >3 innings of effective baseball.

    • YankeeB

      Scoring rules are weird, aren’t they? One of the criteria is finishing a game by pitching three innings. That one they might have to rethink.

      • n0exit

        It’s not wierd at all people misunderstand it. A pitcher who meets the three inning criteria is pitching in a game where the lead is greater than 3 and he does not allow more than 2 baseeunners on at any given time and pitches for 3 innings. That pitcher will have “saved” the bullpen in a game with the lead. It essentially values that contribution the same as a 1 inning (or 1 out) appearance at the end of a close game. It’s arguable whether they have the same value, but what Warren did does have some value and it should be reflected in his statistics.

    • blake

      They said on the broadcast last night that the Reds (I think) once win a game 30-3 and a guy got a save……just a weird rule….you throw 3 innings to finish a game and you get a save

      • 86w183

        But if you pitch the final 2 2/3 of a 6-2 game you don’t.

        • n0exit

          Depends how many runners you allow. Tieing run on deck creates a save.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            And Warren did put fourteen runners on base at the same time in the ninth.

            It’s a silly rule. Whatever. We’ve seen it happen before.

          • 86w183

            Only if they are there when you enter the game.

            So yes IF my hypothetical reliever entered the game with two or three men on base it would be a save situation.

            • n0exit

              Are you sure? I always thought if the guy pitching created the situation and extricated himself from the mess he would be credited with a save.

              • 86w183

                No sir. If it isn’t a save situation when you enter the game you can’t create one for yourself. You can, however create one for the guy who comes in and bails your ass out.

        • blake

          It’s a dumb rule

          • JLC 776

            I don’t think it’s any dumber than getting a save for one out when up by 3 runs and the bases empty.

            • blake

              the whole save rule is kinda dumb……saves are kinda dumb to begin with

            • 86w183

              Agree. Should have to pitch a complete inning or retire as many batters as the runs you lead by.

  • YankeeB

    Figured the Yanks would score runs last night, but would it be enough? Anyone who expected 8.1 innings of no hit relief from just two guys has my deepest respect.

  • blake

    Yea this thing really could have been ugly…..I mean when you’re down 5 and the starter doesn’t even finish the 1st inning that’s where you worry more about the bullpen getting torched and it having lingering effects for days than you do about losing the game……

    But neither happened…..this team is fun

    • 86w183

      I had already pencilled Pinder in for 3+ innings….. And he’s not on the roster!

    • MG2015

      Moreno really saved them last night-it may wind up being his career highlight or maybe he becomes a useful long reliever for them.

      • 86w183

        He might get sent down for a fresh arm. That’s happened several times this season.

        • MG2015

          they tend to do that-who is eligible to return after the 10 day minimum? Mitchell could but he just pitched on Monday (I think). Warren need a couple of days after last night as well. Capuano could be available tonight for a mop up role in the very unlikely event that Tanaka gets knocked out early.

          • 86w183

            The only mop up role Capuano should get is as a janitor.

            • MG2015

              it’s a tough spot for him and probably the reason the Sox DFAed him last year-he’s a control pitcher who doesn’t get enough work to stay sharp. The Yankees signed him to be the #5 starter, not the long man/mop up guy. I don’t know what they do with him but it’s tough to blame him completely for last night-I doubt he’s ever walked 5 guys in an inning in his career.

              • n0exit

                He did what they needed him to. He pitched like 6/7 when Nova and Tanaka were out and mopped up when they needed him on occasion. He wasn’t great but the disdain for him is a little OTT.

      • blake

        I mean he looked for real…..of course it’s one game and I think the Rangers sorta quit …..but still…..what a performance.

        • MG2015

          he was throwing 94 in the 6th (I missed the first 5 innings) with a nasty split. He must have control and command issues because the stuff is clearly there and he’s been in the minors a very long time.

  • Diego Moreddardno

    I thought it was the best win of the season, Mike. I think Diego deserves a shot to stay. DFA Capuano and bring up Pinder, Rumbalow or Mitchell if you need a fresh arm. If Diego had come in and gotten bombed and left after 3 innings we would have had to burn through the entire pen. He saved the day. We’re now 7 up in the loss on Baltimore and 9 on TB/Toronto.

    With the division race over for all intents and purposes we need to start looking to October. Maybe Diego should become the 6th starter. I’d go 6 man rotation to keep these guys fresh for the postseason. I don’t think we need a position player upgrade. The Ryan/Drew platoon has been just fine. Headley is up to .270. Didi has turned his season around. We need another starter and that’s about it.

    • Sir Didi Nakamura

      “More Eddard? No”

      Nice handle!

  • blake

    a couple of years ago Martin Perez was one of these untouchable pitching prospects that the Rangers refused to include for anybody……just sayin…..pitching prospects break hearts and get GMs fired.

    Cashman should remember that as he talks to Amaro and Pat Gillick today

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Still gotta go through the process. Can’t trade them all. You need cost-controlled players to succeed just as much.

      • blake

        yea yea yea…..

    • MG2015

      the Rangers have had lots of prospect busts, haven’t they? Maybe the Yankees should hire their internal PR people to turn guys like Katoh, Aune, Culver, Bichette and anyone else who can’t play for shit into top prospects and make some trades.

      • blake

        remember when the Rangers were the pinacle of player development? That was fun

        • MG2015

          the Rangers were obviously the Madoffs of MLB…

          • blake

            I’d still trade a good bit for Profar…..I dont know what happened to Andrus but he’s just not the same guy. ….if you look at his career he came up at 20 and gradually improved for 4 seasons……it was looking like he was going to be a star in his prime and then 2013 happened and he’s been spiraling ever since.

      • Jim Is Bored

        Many teams have had lots of prospects bust. That’s what prospects do!

      • https://youtu.be/alYXF7a9N3U Memory Bread

        Hire the Redsox PR people.

    • RANDALLK34

      The Mets need to know that actually.

  • Big Tasty

    A-Rod’s bat flip was glorious.

  • MG2015

    All of a sudden 2nd base is no longer an offensive black hole for the Yankees-how many more hits does it take for Ryan to get promoted from Private to at least Corporal?

    • Big Tasty

      it’s the ‘stache

    • n0exit

      Ladies and gents, today the forecast is for sunny skies with a warm northerly. Check again next hour, we expect the wind to blow in a different direction.

    • blake

      he’s swung the bat pretty well all year when he hasn’t been hurt….which granted has been most of the year. I think it’s mostly a mirage…..but if they could get a good stater I’m almost to the point where I’d just go to battle with Drew and Ryan platooing at 2B the rest of the way……they’ll play good D and contribute what they can offensively……get us one good starter Cash and lets see what happens here…..

      The Yanks and Royals feel like they are starting to separate themselves a bit in the super bunched up AL……

      • MG2015

        I kind of agree with you-Drew and Ryan give them very solid ‘D’ and hitting 9th in this lineup isn’t such a bad thing.

        We agree that If they are going to get a starter it needs to be a top of the rotation guy, someone who would definitely start in the playoffs, they are better off putting Warren back in the rotation than getting a lesser guy.

        • blake

          I mean I’d like to have Prado…..but I really just want him as a utility player….and he makes too much money for that. I’m just not sure the cost to get him both in money and players will be worth it……if its not then great…..a Drew/Prado platoon with Prado available to pinch hit in games started by righties is kinda the ideal …..but it’s not a have to thing

          • MG2015

            the lineup is pretty scary to face right now with Didi and Drew/Ryan contributing. I can’t help but believe that Beltran is going to come up big sometime between now and the end of the playoffs, his track record is too solid for anything else.

            • blake

              Beltran has shown he can still hit a little……as others have said …the Yankees do need to go for it a little while Arod, Tex, and to some degree Beltran are playing this way……because it could be over just as quickly as it came. What are the odds that both Arod and Tex OPS over .900 in 2016? I’d say they are low……

              • n0exit

                0. That’s why you don’t trade away 6 years of good players for 2 years of Hamels of which one year will be wasted with an ageing and injured team.

  • MTU

    I thought Mt. Vesuvius was dormant but after last night I’m not so sure.

  • MTU

    Final offers for Hole Camels must be submitted today.

    • Y’s Guy

      Severino, Sanchez and Jagielo.

      • blake

        is that your final answer?

        • Y’s Guy

          Negotiable after Sanchez.

          • blake

            agreed….as Ive said for weeks now. I’d have to really think hard about putting Judge in a deal but there really should be no hesitation about Severino and 2 or 3 of anyone else.

            • Bret The Hitman

              If Severino is included and Sanchez is the second piece, I’d be very strict about the other pieces.

              • Y’s Guy

                I don’t think you can let your 10th prospect hold up a deal like this.

                • blake

                  this….I mean I’m not gutting the system….I might stop the number of players at 3…..but I’d let them have any 3 they want after Judge.

                • Bret The Hitman

                  The holdup is Severino. If I relent, you have to ease up on the tail end of the package. Plus I’m giving up a Near ML ready catching prospect with pop. No Mateo. No Bird. No Judge. No jags. No Mason. No Clarkin. You’d have to accept Flores, Refs, Austin, Heathcott, guys like that to round out the deal.

                • Yankee Trader

                  The hold up might very well be the extra 50% premium in LT that Hal and the family pay to get him. Don’t think it’s happening.

    • W.B. Mason Williams

      Two donkeys and half a steer

    • Rob

      I think our final offer has been on the table for several days. Philly waiting for someone to blink. Cashman not bidding against himself on this is smart.

      • Y’s Guy

        with the word that the Dodgers are ‘deciding’ whether to add one of their top two, i have to assume the Yankees already have a standing offer and the Phils are hoping someone else offers more.

        • Bret The Hitman

          I assume that Severino is not being offered or else the Yankees would not be insisting he’s untouchable. the Phillies would think we’re a bunch of bullshit artist if we publicly said that but privately put Severino in our final offer. We haven’t made a final offer that includes Severino, but I think he might be part of a final offer. He would have to be and we were linked to Hamels before ST. We’re after this guy,

          • n0exit

            All the “links to Hamels” say that Cash has consistently walked away when RAJ asked for Judge Severino. The idea that he would change his mind because “final offers” is a bit lol. It could happen, but I wouldn’t hold my breath.

          • Big Tasty

            it’s all about posturing and gaining the upper hand in negotiations. Statements made to the media should be taken with a grain of salt, although Cashman has been refreshingly honest the past few seasons

            • Bret The Hitman

              I just feel if he is publicly untouchable yet privately offered, it damages our credibility . Not good for lengthy negotiations. Ultimately it will come down to Severino. If offered, Hamels is ours. If not, he goes to the Dodgers.

              • Big Tasty

                a lot of teams do that though… we did it with Montero when he was in the deal for Cliff Lee

                • Bret The Hitman

                  I think we had already offered him for Halladay and that went public. Fans did most of the untouchable posturing with him.

  • Yankee Trader

    Good morning.
    No Hole Camels

    • blake

      yet

      • Y’s Guy

        reminds me of “DON’T TRADE JESUS!!!!”

    • MTU

      How about we take a Leake, go shark hunting, or visit Japan for a 2nd time ?

      • Austinmac

        Iwakuma got hit hard yesterday. Leake pitched great and Shark pretty well for whatever that is worth.

        • whileaway

          Leake has been pitching great his last 6 or so starts .

          • MTU

            He’s young.

          • Austinmac

            Yes, he has. My interest has escalated.

            • whileaway

              He´s a solid mid rotation SP and is an innings eater. I´ve thought he´s a decent alternative to the more expensive frontliners.

      • Yankee Trader

        You are on the morning.

        Taking a Leake, 4-0 now in his Leaky starts recently.
        Iwakuma rocked, not in a good way, last night.
        Shark staying in the muddy waters of Chicago.

        • Austinmac

          With a winning streak, I don’t think the White Sox are selling either. Amazingly, neither will Detroit it is said.

          • MTU

            Detroit has no chance.
            They should sell.

            • Austinmac

              This is Dombrowski’s last year I think. That probably makes a difference. I agree, they are going nowhere.

            • Austinmac

              I think I am to the point of believing there is no way we would get him, so let him stay put.

          • Yankee Trader

            If it isn’t going to be Kimbrel and Ross, a guess I’d be satisfied with Leake and Chapman, although I’m not sure the Reds will deal Chapman now

            • Austinmac

              That too would be great. I have no clue what they will do. I m not expecting a lot.

              • 86w183

                If they get a starter they either have to include Nova or bump CC.

                I’m in a Hamels or nothing mindset

                My offer — Nova, Sanchez, Jagielo, bullpen arm of choice not on active roster

                • Yankee Trader

                  Did Nova get an MRI? If not other teams might be wary to trade for him with only a few days left.

                  • Wkamm

                    No MRI that I an aware of. Scheduled for Sunday start subject to his bullpen session, according to manager.

                  • Robinson Tilapia

                    Other teams have heard of a dead arm period before.

          • Rob

            “2nd Wildcard Syndrome” has Gm’s and fans thinking their team is still in it. It has changed how I look at the TD.

  • Yankee Trader

    What a game last night. Hopefully the Yankees still address pitching needs, even though they no hit the Rangers for 8.1 innings.

    Rumors Craig Kimbrel. If the Yankees do go after him get Tyson Ross also.

    • MTU

      Nice fantasy. :)

    • Austinmac

      I approve this plan. Go to the head of the class.

    • Y’s Guy

      Ross walks too many to be successful at NYS, imo.

      • Yankee Trader

        Less walks in July. Better numbers away from Petco.only 3 home runs in 122.2 innings, 2 of them in the 70.1 away innings. 28 yo. 6’5″

        • Y’s Guy

          No thanks

    • Robinson Tilapia

      The price tag on that would probably be beyond what we even have.

  • MTU

    I’ll discuss things w the Mops on our walk.

    • Yankee Trader

      Who do the Mops want?

  • Mandy Stankiewicz

    That graph…

    • Pkyankfan69

      Sort of like the Red Sox season except they never really had that much of a upswing

      • JLC 776

        A Sawx fan friend of mine posted early in the season that, “The 2015 Red Sox, with their youth and fighting spirit, was the most special team he’s seen in a long time.”

        I don’t ever let him forget that post.

    • Sir Didi Nakamura

      King Da Ka, go up high, drop down on a steep slope and slow down on a straight path.

      • CashmanNinja

        That’s what I was thinking. This graph is like a crazy steep roller coaster, but at the end it winds up splashing in water and cruises a little before you get off.

  • Y’s Guy

    Man, when the RS give up, they really give up.

    • Adam

      They don’t have a fighting spirit.

  • Stephen Drew

    Off topic but I enjoy thinking ahead…. In the World Series is there any chance they try and play Arod or Headley at 2B in the NL park to get Arods bat in the lineup. I’m sure they would never play Arod there but Headley is heating up and I would much rather lose Drews bat so there isn’t an 8 and 9 hitter black hole those games. I think Headley has the baseball instincts necessary to play the position solidly for 3 days if he took some grounders in warmups throughout the remainder of the season.

    • n0exit

      No. For so many reasons. This isn’t even a player specific no. It’s just no. All of it. No.

      • Stephen Drew

        So the series is tied 2-2 and the Yankees are averaging 2 runs a game in the series and Drew is batting his likely 1-12 in the series. I think it at least needs needs to be considered… Maybe even for just first 5 or 6 innings so he gets 2 or 3 ABs

        • TheEvilUmpire

          Must be hard to troll with Stephen Drew’s dick in your mouth!

      • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

        So you rather sit Alex for 3 games that could cost you the Series ?

    • 86w183

      Highly unlikely for starting lineup,but could happen in a pinch hitting situation I guess.

    • Sir Didi Nakamura

      *Reads handle*
      *Pukes*

      Also, Bertin, is that you?

      • JLC 776

        I’m amazed it isn’t Stephen Dreddard.

  • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

    You’ve got to keep Moreno around.

    • 86w183

      He deserves to stay, he earned his spot, but I’m farad he’ll get sent down for a fresh arm since he, Warren and Capuano are likely unavailable.

      Gotta run, have a day all!

      • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

        Well we’ll have to gut it thru with Shreve, Wilson, Betances and Miller then with our 2 best starters coming up.

        • Sir Didi Nakamura

          “We’re screwed!” – Texas Rangers

      • Sir Didi Nakamura

        Yeah, he’s 100% getting sent down.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          And it’s for the best although, yeah, Mop Up Moreno doesn’t seem like the worst idea.

          Great job last night. The comment section after his previous outing, however, didn’t exactly echo last night’s sentiment.

          • Wkamm

            Glancing at the recent in game commentary makes that easy to believe. Won’t take much more than a bad inning and it will be, “Where the hell did Cashman find this reject?!”

    • Wkamm

      He certainly did well enough. I can’t see where he would be any worse than Capuano or Rogers.

    • Game 3

      Is he on twitter? We should all tell him ‘you’re awesome’.

  • JLC 776

    Dammit, just play today’s game already! This team is so freaking fun to watch (when they aren’t in one of their random losing streaks) that I’m counting the minutes to tonight’s game.

    • Sir Didi Nakamura

      Random losing streak? Hello, May 2015 called, it’s for you.

      • JLC 776

        I think that’s the last time they had one. A minor funk in June was just that, a minor funk.

    • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

      I do that every day.

  • Big Tasty

    not baseball related but I made a deep fried PB&J sandwich last night.. maybe one of the best decisions i’ve made in my entire life.

  • blake

    Detroit is reeling….will Dombrowski change his mind? He better hurry and decide…….at the same time the ChiSox are playing the truly dreadful Red Sox who have given them probably just enough hope to hang on to Shark

    • MTU

      OK. I’ll make a decision for him.
      He should sell.

    • My name is Paul Heyman

      He should help us beat the Royals by giving us Price

  • blake

    I’d just like to say I don’t give 3 craps about Tom Brady

    • Wkamm

      Then why would you mention him?

      • Sir Didi Nakamura

        He’s in love with him, obviously. That’s how these things go so I’ve heard.

      • Y’s Guy

        Football doesn’t even exist until after the Yankees win the WS or get eliminated.
        Besides, everybody’s 4-4 by then anyway.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Football exists when I get my ESPN email saying it’s time to reactivate the fantasy league.

          • Y’s Guy

            Now it’s MY turn to get all puffy and say ‘I dont have time for that fantasy shit”

    • Sir Didi Nakamura

      Would you give 4?

    • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

      His feelings are mutual.
      Except you are a nobody to him.

    • Mississippi Doc

      And to think that all those self righteous Red Sox fans trashed Rodriguez. Between Ortiz and Brady they should be very quiet. Could you even conceive of Eli doing something like that.

      • Wkamm

        He needs to do something.

        • CashmanNinja

          Eli is too busy making commercials.

          • Soronprfbs

            Or antique shopping

    • Rob

      I have this mental image of you sitting there watching sportscenter with BBQ dripping from the corner of your mouth. The Brady story comes on and you comment here like we’re all watching with you.

      • blake

        lol…..oatmeal dripping from the corners of my mouth right now.

        • MTU

          Not grits ?

          • blake

            no grits today…..Starbucks and their not so perfect oatmeal

    • Game 3

      Would you give Judge and Severino for him?

    • Tar

      He’s a Yankee fan.

  • Gregory Eckes

    Second base is suddenly not as much of a problem as it was. At what point do we stop the SSS on Brendan Ryan

    • Rob

      I’m guessing you don’t think that .840 OPS is sustainable.

    • Diego Moreddardno

      I already have. Ryan has been just fine. The platoon of Drew/Ryan will be an asset for us down the stretch. They don’t get a lot of hits but they do get big hits and Flash says that’s what a backup player is paid to do.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Cod-level irony.

  • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

    Someone mentioned it below but how do you justify sitting Alex for possible 3 games in the WS? Giving Headley some time at 2B is not a bad idea…

    • Sir Didi Nakamura

      I’ll worry about it once we make the final out of game 2 of the World Series and take our 2-0 lead to Los Angeles.

      • MTU

        I’m thinking the Cards will be one of the last Teams standing.

        • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

          We owe the Bucs one big time.

        • Sir Didi Nakamura

          Fine. 2-0 lead while on a plane to St. Louis. Whatevs

      • Y’s Guy

        You don’t get to win the division then upgrade your rotation, sorry that’s just the way it is, add a SP now or it won’t be a PS rotation upgrade.

        • Sir Didi Nakamura

          I care about getting a SP to help win the division. No team acquires an ace at the deadline just to start games in the playoffs, there’s 2 months left to play.

          I just think you guys are looking at it the wrong way. With you it’s who’s going to start games 1, 2, 3 and not who’s going to be giving us 10 starts during August/September.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I’d love to have this problem.

      • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

        Possibly in Sept we try Headley at 2B a bit.

    • JLC 776

      You just don’t talk about your World Series game 3 lineup in July. You don’t. Just stop.

      • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

        It’s almost August. Then comes Sept.

        • Y’s Guy

          I wouldn’t put him in the field unless the Yankees were facing elimination. He can’t move at all and will hurt himself, you can’t risk it.
          But that’s a long way off…

        • JLC 776

          I’ll give you that if we have a comfortable lead in September, go crazy with experimentation. I’m cool with that. Right now it’s 100% “win the division”.

          I just don’t want some random Blue Jays fan copying this post and rubbing it in our faces if we crash and burn and don’t even make it to the postseason…

          • Sir Didi Nakamura

            People are too worried about playoff rotations right now, can we just win the division please guys? This is bad karma and jinxes and I don’t like the smell of it.

            • JLC 776

              Exactly. I was merciless to Red Sox fans who were trying to figure out their starting rotation months in advance back in 2011.

              • Sir Didi Nakamura

                Hope you gave them hell.

  • blake

    Joel Sherman ?@Joelsherman1 8m8 minutes ago
    ICYMI Column http://nyp.st/1MwmfYg #Yankees have big div lead but do Tulo, potential to still add P and sked make #Bluejays threat to NYY?

    Tulo has been worth 0.2 more fWAR than Didi this year and they are 9 back in the LC…..but yea lets cause some panic!!

    • CashmanNinja

      Tulo can be a difference maker, but their offense is already really good. It’s not like they had Stephen Drew at SS. They had Jose Reyes. So while Tulo is a great, great player…going from Reyes to Tulo isn’t the biggest step up in the world, thus I don’t think it’s nearly the impact of a stud pitcher. If they had gotten Cueto then I’d have been a bit nervous. Tulo isn’t going to be a 10 WAR player.

      • Yankee Trader

        I agree, plus he’ll be playing on turf, not ideal for his surgically corrected hip.

        • My name is Paul Heyman

          Theyre going to grass next year I belive, or in 2017 something like that. My thought is that Tulo will have to move to first or dh in a couple of years to save his legs a bit

          • Sir Didi Nakamura

            2017 I think

      • blake

        Tulo was a great player….hes been a good player this year and I’m not sure they are getting the defensive upgrade they think they are……I’d still say he’s better than Reyes defensively but the metrics don’t like him this year……I guess we will have to see if that’s a sample size thing or decline related to his hips etc……of course I’d still rather have Tulo than Didi or Reyes….but the amount of upgrade he is over either is potentially being overstated at this point in his career.

    • Diego Moreddardno

      No. Division’s over. They’d have to go 10-3 in the head to head games to even make it close. Yankees scored 21 runs yesterday and they can do the same vs Jays pitching.

      • blake

        I wouldn’t say that….

      • JLC 776

        61 games left. One bad week and an 8 game lead becomes 4 or 5. One sweep in Toronto and 4 or 5 games becomes 1 or 2.

        61 games left.

        • Austinmac

          I remember Yogi. It ain’t over yet.

    • Sir Didi Nakamura

      0.2 is barely anything though. And Tulo has been significantly better than Didi, 108 wRC+. Coors has that knocked down big time though, he’s like .300/.350/.470.

      • blake

        the metrics like Didi much better on defensive so far this year……is that accurate? Who knows…..but it’s dragged Tulo’s fWAR down

    • MTU

      If they had Stroman healthy and got a big arm.

  • Yankee Trader

    Ken Rosenthal
    Additional confirmation tonight that #Astros are making a strong effort for Hamels. How open he is to approving a deal to HOU is not known.

    • MTU

      Luhnow is an excellent GM. He used to run the Cards show.
      And how good is the Mighty Mite. :)

      • Yankee Trader

        How good is he in hacking into the Cardinals computer top secret info? :)

        • MTU

          Using the same passwords is kinda dumb.

    • CashmanNinja

      How embarrassing would it be for the trade to go through and then he won’t agree to the deal?

      • Sir Didi Nakamura

        Can’t the Phils just go to Hamels and be like “Would you be open to the Astros?”

        • CashmanNinja

          I’m pretty sure he did that in the past few months. They’re probably just hoping he’ll agree at the last minute as to not screw them out of getting the best trade package available. Who knows.

          • Sir Didi Nakamura

            What if Hamels just doesn’t give a shit anymore and refuses trades to fuck with them

            • JLC 776

              One of his kids is in the same youth soccer league as my 3-yr old. I hope he refuses and sticks around. It’s hilarious when all of the soccer moms show up to 8am Saturday morning games decked out in their best makeup and tight clothes.

              • Sir Didi Nakamura

                Have you introduced yourself yet?

                • JLC 776

                  I bump into him a lot – he lives less than half a mile from me off the same exit. I’m not the kind of guy to annoy him when he’s in his personal life, but my wife and I chatted with him once when we ended up sitting next to each other at a diner and our kids were playing a bit.

            • Y’s Guy

              His ntc is to 20 teams, the others he can’t block.

              • Sir Didi Nakamura

                Right, forgot

              • Rob

                Don’t his 5 and ten rights kick in then? Wait. He has 9 years. NM

                • Y’s Guy

                  Debuted in May 2006

              • MTU

                And if I were a betting Man I’d say the Astros were on his list.

                • Y’s Guy

                  Hamels does have the Astros on his ntc list. The Dodgers, Yankees and Rangers are not on it.

          • Y’s Guy

            Id assume he wont waive his ntc rights unless the team that picks him up picks up his option year, which changes the calculation a bit.

  • John in Forest

    Well, that was fun!
    Hate to bring this up, but so far this year a performance like Moreno’s has earned the performer a quick trip back to AAA in order to bring up a fresh arm. Moreno and Warren are surely out of action for at least a couple of days each, maybe four days for Moreno. The team’s going to need a fresh long arm going forward. I hate to see success rewarded with demotion; modern baseball, huh?

    • Yankee Trader

      Maybe it won’t be a demotion, but a trade today to a team that will keep him on their 25 man roster.

      • John in Forest

        True; there will certainly be more people talking about him today than yesterday!

        • Y’s Guy

          The kid would probably have been sent back down in 3 days if Capuano pitched a CG (lol that just cracked me up!). So I’m sure he’s psyched he got to pitch and he’ll get another chance.

          • John in Forest

            I’m hoping so. They’re talking about him being 28 years old like that’s ancient. He’s one month older than Adam Warren and Justin Wilson, and they’re pretty much still thought of as “young” pitchers.

  • brznks

    Pretty, pretty, prettyyy bad

  • Countdown Till Bryce’s a FA

    Capuano DFA’d yet? And Moreno should take CC’s spot.

    • Y’s Guy

      #26 has taken a beating with this guy wearing it, get him outta here! Ryne Duren, Darryl Strawberry and el Duque want to see respect restored to thier #. (and Solarte wasnts to come back and wear it)

  • brznks

    Can someone explain why “pitching the last 3+ innings of a game” counts as a Save regardless of the score?

    • John in Forest

      That’s the rule.

      • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

        He wants to know why?

        • John in Forest

          Because it makes sense in a sport where the foul lines are in fair territory.

          • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

            Don’t forget the poles.

            • whileaway

              north and south ?

              • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

                No the people from Poland.

                • whileaway

                  Oh you meant “The Poles“ nice people.

            • John in Forest

              Interesting thing about the poles — they haven’t always been in fair territory. At one time a ball that hit the pole and landed foul was simply a foul ball; a ball that hit the pole and came back onto the field in fair territory was a GR double; and only a ball that hit and landed in the stands fair was a homer. Ralph Houk hit a GR double off the pole one time; he finished his career with zero home runs. They changed the rule sometime in the early 1950s.

          • Sir Didi Nakamura

            Goal Line counts as a touchdown in the NFL

            • John in Forest

              And that’s relevant to this discussion — how?

              • Sir Didi Nakamura

                I dunno you said sport so I thought I’d add that

      • brznks

        Yes, thank you… I am wondering why the rule would include that. Seems pretty different from the other situations that qualify you for a save. Just wondering if anyone can think of a good reason why that *should* be considered a save

        • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

          What do you think?

        • Stan

          The save was *invented* as a better way to measure a relievers performance. Back then relievers threw more innings so I suppose they considered that when setting the criteria.

          Personally I don’t see how it helps but I believe that was the rationale

          • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

            Didja ever notice how directly saves are related to wins? Seems you can’t have one without the other.

            • Stan

              lol

            • Rob

              Well you can’t have a save w/o a win but you can have a win w/o a save. So, what are you pointing out?

              • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

                Let me reword that. You know what I mean…

        • John in Forest

          The rule book doesn’t include the intent of the writers — I think we can assume that it’s a little reward for a job well done. Three innings is a long time. Think about it; last night, after the Yankees had been down by five, starter out of the game in the first inning, and Moreno supposedly limited to around 45 pitches — when did you think the lead was safe? I wasn’t sure that 11 runs would be enough, not with 8 innings needed from the bullpen and the first guy out had two weak outings in his debut last month. Having a guy pitch three to wrap up the game, regardless of the lead, is a notable achievement. Baseball decided to call it a save instead of a well done.

    • https://youtu.be/alYXF7a9N3U Memory Bread

      Google

      “MLB rule 10.19”.

      Enjoy.

  • Sir Didi Nakamura

    Let’s see if this works

    • Sir Didi Nakamura

      Did A-Rod ever really use to do these bat flips? I didn’t really care/pay attention to that stuff when I was younger so I might have never noticed.

      • blake

        he used to kinda flip the back end over end…..I really like the exaggerated follow through and drop toss he’s doing right now…..it’s pretty sweet

        • Sir Didi Nakamura

          I love when players do that kind of stuff, depending on the situation. Like Ortiz bat flipping down like 6 in the 7th in a game that will have them swept is just dumb.

  • Rick

    I love how the chances for victory bar just flat lines at the 3rd inning. Boy was it fun to watch last night … and it sure seems like Didi has found something. If he can sustain this (or a level close to it) through the rest of the season and into the playoffs, that sure would be something.

    • MTU

      If he stays right where he is we should all be happy.

    • blake

      he has a .660 OPS now and climbing and a +3 UZR……with last night’s game he actually passed Tulo for the season in fWAR at 1.3. I’d say he’s been worth Shane Greene.

      • Rick

        Absolutely. And in all honesty, I never cared whether he was better or worse than Shane Greene (not saying you implied that). My whole take on the trade was all day, every day you give up a 4/5 type starter for a chance at a lottery ticket young shortstop. If this is Didi moving forward, we have our SS for a very very long time. Here’s to hoping he’s a kid that finally figured it out after bouncing around and we are finally the team that gets to reap the benefits of it.

        • blake

          yup…..early in the season it was still kinda TBD as to whether he can be the SS long term……lately he’s started to feel like he is to me. I like the way he plays…..I feel like he’s still got more potential to tap…..he feels like our SS now.

      • Y’s Guy

        Dont even try slipping that ‘Cashman didn’t fail’ thing by me, I’m watching….

        • blake

          he always fails even when he succeeds.

          • Tar

            Who started again yesterday??? hmmm I can’t think of it.

  • Rick

    Funny little tidbit … after last night, the Yankees actual records and pythag records are almost identical. Still two games better.

  • blake

    Yankeesource ?@YankeeSource 12m12 minutes ago
    Chase Headley’s July wRC+ of 156 leads all AL 3B. #TypicalHeadley

    Chase left the building at the end of June.

    • Sir Didi Nakamura

      Chase probably sold his soul to the devil for awful first halves and incredible second halves

      • blake

        when the bill comes due in 10 years his contract will be long over

        • Sir Didi Nakamura

          Bills are due upon entry to Hell

          • blake

            you get 10 years then the hounds come a calling.

        • Y’s Guy

          Machado is some kind of streaky.

  • Chip

    Well that was interesting last night.

    A few thoughts:

    1. I think that the best thing that happened to Didi is that the Yankees didn’t call up Rob Refsnyder earlier in the year. If they had then every time he struggled he would have been looking over his shoulder at Stephen Drew and wondering when Girardi was going to make a change much the same way he had to look over his shoulder at Chris Owings and Nick Ahmad in Arizona.

    Once Didi realized that this job was his and he didn’t have to go out and open eyes to earn playing time he settled down on both sides of the ball and his numbers have steadily improved throughout the year. He’s currently at an insane .329/.372/.452 for the month of July (which is clearly not going to continue). For the record, Shane Greene is now in Detroit’s bullpen.

    2. Hey, ya think Chris Young can be re-signed for another $2.5 mil this offseason? Talk about your bargains coming through. It’s gotten to the point where you just expect good things when he’s in there against LHP. Last night I was texting a friend and said “bases loaded + Chris Young + LHP = Grand Slam” and there it went.

    3. As good as Moreno was I totally am prepared for them to keep Capuano and option Moreno to AAA today. It’s just the way the numbers work.

    4. Sad as it is for me to say – Brendan Ryan has been pretty good since coming off the DL.

    5. What is the point of having Tom Verducci doing color commentary 3 days before the trade deadline if he’s not going to talk about any rumored deals?

    • Rick

      I feel like Verducci got out of the rumor game a while ago. He has been trying for this serious tv bit for a while now.

      • Y’s Guy

        Yes Verducci has been doing commentary on Fox games all year, I think that’s what he’s angling to do full time.

      • blake

        I’ll be honest…..I like Verducci ….he does a nice job on broadcasts IMO

        • Yankee Trader

          Me too.

          Have a great day all.

          Will the Yankees have a Hamels, Price, Samardzija , Ross, Cashner, Leake, Latos, Iwakuma, in their starting rotation soon?

          Or will there be a mighty bullpen to include either Kimbrel or Chapman?

          Or will there be one from group A and one from group B?

          Will Prado be traded to the Yankees, since he’s already on their payroll, or will the Yankees take on Kinsler’s salary?

          Inquiring minds want to know!

    • Stan

      4) maybe they tweaked his swing in the minors lol

    • calripyankee

      Agree on everything but the keeping Capuano idea.. Capuano would be alright, if he could get anybody out.. Moreno could fill his role easily.. Plus, he’s been prepping for it for a month.. Now, they just need to do it. DFA Capuano, and see if anybody offers anything for him.. If not, broom him..

    • CashmanNinja

      I’m sure Didi feels a bit more comfortable by having a longer leash than he would have had in Arizona. However, I think the main reason for his better offense is the fact that he worked with A-Rod to get some pointers. So I think that was the main thing — A-Rod helped make Didi a better overall hitter. Notice how Didi doesn’t have that insanely wide/low stance while resting the bat on his shoulder? He’s cut out a lot of wiggle and has less holes in his swing. He can protect more of the plate now.

      And I think Moreno should go down to AAA…but only because we need a fresh arm. He was great last night and games like that earn more chances. So he should go down just for the sake of calling up another arm for the time being. Capuano should be DFA’d no matter what.

      • Tar

        HAHA great minds …..

    • Tar

      “Once Didi realized that this job was his and he didn’t have to go out and open eyes to earn playing time he settled down on both sides of the ball”

      That was part of it, BUT the biggest part was when AL from Miami sat down and had a pow wow with young Mr Didi.

      • blake

        that certainly seems like a turning point….

      • Chip

        Totally agree that the sit-down he had with Al and Beltran was a turning point.

        Basically the lesson here is that talented young players progress.

    • blake

      1) I think this is a big thing…..a lot of players need that security to play well. I was like that…..I never played as well if I felt like my job was on the line if I screwed up. Some players thrive under that pressure…..maybe Didi isn’t one of them. We always want to describe players by numbers….but they are humans….and everyone is different.

      2) I’d offer Young a 2 year deal for this same role to be honest…..I’ve seen enough to do that at this point.
      3) sure….but i’m cutting Cap first chance I get
      4) agreed….it’s the stache
      5) I think Verducci is moving away from the rumoring and trying to get into broadcasting…..I like him as a broadcaster

      • Chip

        The interesting thing is that despite all the OF options the Yankees have, they don’t have anyone like Chris Young. The only righties are Judge (not someone you want as a 4th OF) or Austin who doesn’t seem to be progressing in any meaningful way.

  • Ewing33

    Gotta think Girardi is the favorite for Manager of the Year. Having to deal with the return of ARod and of course the team out playing their pre season expectations.

    • Y’s Guy

      Molitor if they make the PS

      • Sir Didi Nakamura

        Falling off fast right now

      • Ewing33

        Definitely a contender, but I think winning the division is a substantially better finish than making the one game playoff.

  • OldYanksFan

    Yankees are 1st team in MLB history to allow first 5 (or more) runs of game and then score 21 or more unanswered runs (via @EliasSports)

    • Y’s Guy

      Man, those guys need another hobby…

  • Yankee Trader

    Before Nova got pulled for a ” tired” arm there were rumors he was discussed as a trade chip with the Reds for Cueto.
    Also rumored that the White Sox might have interest in him since he was controlled thru 2016, for Samardzija, allowing the White Sox to still compete this year for a wild card spot, and not throw in the towel.

    Now that he was pulled, even though the news has him pitching his next start after the TD, would you have included him over Severino?

    Would the Phillies bite on Nova, Sanchez, and two others for Hamels?

    • Y’s Guy

      Nova is not an acceptable replacement for Severino in any package.

      • Stan

        Hard for me to agree or disagree there… Nova has shown himself to be a solid #4 type guy with upside but Severino has the potential to be better than that but hasn’t proven anything at the major league level

        • Ewing33

          It is easy to agree. A mid rotation starter at best coming off Tommy John surgery and only controlled for one more year is not even close to even value with a top 20-50 ish type prospect.

          • Sir Didi Nakamura

            And one year of control left

          • Stan

            too many top level prospects never make it to the bigs for me to completely agree with that.. I do see your point and i mostly agree with it… just saying that its debatable and while he may not match severino value to value to use nova and maybe a lower level prospect added wouldnt be the worse substitution

      • Yankee Trader

        Would you have done Nova and Sanchez for Samardzija?

        That one, I would have done, as the Yankees, might be interested in him long term.

        • Y’s Guy

          I think I would without really looking deeply into the #’s.

        • Ewing33

          Pass for me. Samardzija is not worth giving up a stud prospect and then Nova on top of that. He isn’t that good this year.

          • Y’s Guy

            I don’t know what grade give a prospect ‘stud’ status, but I don’t consider Sanchez a stud prospect. A solid one yes, but not a stud.

            • Ewing33

              I would say Refs is a “solid” prospect. Top 100 guys are “studs” in my opinion. Plus just the scouting reports say he has all the raw hitting talent in the world. That type of prospect.

              • Y’s Guy

                Is Sanchez on anyone’s top 100 list anymore?

                • Ewing33

                  We will find out in the off season.

                  • Y’s Guy

                    well, he wasn’t this year and didn’t make anyone’s top 50 post draft lists, so I’d say his stud prospect status is a thing of the past.

                    • Ewing33

                      Just arguing about definitions here. I still think he has all star potential. Fair if you disagree there though. That is the beauty of trying to value prospects.

          • calripyankee

            I liked Samardzjia better as.a WR..

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Not Sanchez. Fine with losing the year of control with Nova. Non-zero chance we only have him for one more season anyway.

        • Big Tasty

          the biggest positive that would come out of a Samardzija deal would be him shaving that pedophile facial hair

    • MTU

      No. But along those same lines.
      What would Nova and Sanchez get ya’ ?

      • whileaway

        Leake. Well maybe Nova and Flores plus a reliever .

        • MTU

          Not sure I’d do that one.

    • blake

      Nova is a FA after 2016…..they want more long term options I’d imagine.

    • Ewing33

      I’m assuming that Nova for Cueto rumor was just the Yanks leaking Nova was discussed as a centerpiece of Cueto deal. Which was probably true in the loosest way possible.

      I hope I’m wrong though and teams covet Nova.

  • Stan

    I’ve posted in 2 other threads but i am so impressed with the stat that I will repeat it again… 13.1 inning of no hit ball for the pen… I’m now wondering what the record is.. anyone know where i can find that?

  • My name is Paul Heyman

    I had zero internet connection in my house yesterday, so i missed the game entirely, i think im going to turn off my internet everytime the Yanks play to see if thats the cause of scoring 20 runs

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Why didn’t you go watch it with your friend, THE BEAST INCARNATE, BROOOOOOOOOOCK LESSSSSSNAR?

      (probably because Brock lives on a farm in remote Canada and doesn’t even have a home phone – true story)

      • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

        Don’t many today not have home phones?

        • Stan

          I think many still due to cable packages including phone service. but the number has to be much lower than it used to be

        • MTU

          I be one of them.

          • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

            That’s cuz you still use smoke signals.

        • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

          As a former cell phone tech support specialist, all I can say is KEEP YOUR HOME PHONE!!

          Or, at the very least, don’t call up saying you’re having problems with your cell phone while calling from your cell phone.

  • MTU

    I’m going the strengthen the Pen route.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Royals have great pen.
      Royals starters give zero length.
      Royals still had to give up the farm for Cueto.

      • MTU

        We have better SP options then the Royals do.
        Strengthen the Pen w say a Kimbrel and we have Warren available again.

      • Y’s Guy

        You never pay more for closers than at the trade deadline. Adding any closer doesn’t improve the Yankees closer situation much if at all, nor the set-up man position.
        Thus you are paying top closer dollars to upgrade middle relief.
        Not a good investment at all.

        • MTU

          I never worry about Hal’s money.

          • Y’s Guy

            If it was only money, i’d be right there with you, but it’s prospect costs not money.

            • MTU

              Pads need to dump salary after their recent failed spending binge.
              Lowers the prospect cost.

              • Y’s Guy

                They also need prospects. We’ll see what the final cost is but its not going to be a salary dump.

                • MTU

                  It might be. He ain’t cheap.

              • Big Tasty

                Marlins West

        • levendis

          depending on what they give up. If Kimbrel’s a salary dump do it. Games will be over after 5 innings.

          • MTU

            This. And they free up Warren, and if Kimbrel closes it frees up the Twin towers to do more things.

      • levendis

        Royals have great pen
        Royals starters give zero length
        Royals were 1 game away from winning the WS last year

        • Sir Didi Nakamura

          Royals still had to give up the farm for Cueto (Still works as an answer)

          • levendis

            oh i know, but there can be multiple answers.

          • MTU

            Royals needed a TOR type SP who could give length.
            We have 2 of them.

        • blake

          they were also 1 game away from losing the WC game and nobody remembering anything they did in 2014

          • levendis

            that’s because their offense was very mediocre for much of the season last year.

        • Stan

          Last year they had Shields, Vargas, Guthrie, Ventura and Duffy

          this year Volquez and Young have more or less replaced Shields and Vargas… I’d call that very slight downtick. also Ventura and duffy both took big steps backwards. Guthrie has been steady

          • levendis

            that’s fair, but starters like Shields severly underperformed in the playoffs. They relied exclusively on their pen and lineup in the playoffs where they just steamrolled through everybody to the WS.

            • Stan

              Oh I agree that Big Game James did not live up to that reputation in the Majors but over the season the rotation gave the royals more length in 2014… down the stretch the royals pen may be overworked this year

              • levendis

                Well our rotation is better than theirs honestly. A Kimbrel move would be mostly for the playoffs.

                • Sir Didi Nakamura

                  Which is why I’d be less inclined to give up significant prospects

                  • levendis

                    Well like i said below, if it’s a salary dump I’ll do it. I don’t believe in giving up significant prospects in relievers period.

                • TheeeeYankeesWin

                  I’ll take it. With our starting rotation being so questionable, I wouldn’t mind trotting the starter out there for 5 innings in the playoffs. Five innings is all CC is good for now, barely. Though I can realistically see CC not even being considered to start in the playoffs.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    This many people didn’t know about the three-inning save rule? Really?

    • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

      Only one claimed that.

    • brznks

      Never said I didn’t know about it… just took this opportunity to start a discussion about it

    • Rick

      The problem is that not many people are as old as you are and possibly wrote the rule book themselves

      • Sir Didi Nakamura

        He actually was the grandfather of the guy who wrote the rule book.

      • Rob

        I thought he was Klaus Heissler sitting in his bowel all day waiting for Stan or Francine to come home. Plenty of time to bone up on the rules. At least I read his posts with a German accent. But what do I know about fish.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Mark Montgomery is a pussy.

  • IVoted4Kodos

    I think I’m developing a mancrush on Didi now.

    • Stan

      the player or the poster? lol

      • Sir Didi Nakamura

        Both

        • IVoted4Kodos

          Correct.

          • Sir Didi Nakamura

            Feeling is mutual

            • IVoted4Kodos

              *hug*

    • Sir Didi Nakamura

      Just so everyone knows, I was first.

      • Rick

        You sure were. Funny story about that though. When he came up with Arizona and homered against us in one his earlier games, I loved his swing so much that I said it reminded me of a young Cano. Axisa ripped me hard for that lol.

        • Sir Didi Nakamura

          Find that comment and show him he was wrong.

      • IVoted4Kodos

        You will forever be number 1 in Didi’s heart.

      • TheeeeYankeesWin

        Sir Didi,

        I signed up for mlb.tv a month ago so I’ve been watching most of the games, including every inning of the last 4 games. I love the 7-for-9 in the two games vs. Rangers so far, but the reason why Cashman wanted Didi so much I’m only recently seeing….he’s extremely slick on the field, great hands, natural instincts on the way the ball hops, and broad range. I’m convinced now (I wasn’t earlier in the season) that he will save runs and therefore games with his fielding.

        I can see Didi saying: “I’m slick, I’m quick, and all the girls love my………….cologne!”

  • levendis

    Thank you for proving me wrong Didi, keep up the good work.

    • Y’s Guy

      Ditto, happily eating crow on that one!
      (but I did support the trade)

      • MTU

        You can call him SIR Didi from now on ! ;)

  • blake

    MLB Trade Rumors ?@mlbtraderumors 3m3 minutes ago
    Red Sox Unlikely To Get Hamels; No-Trade Clause Is “Roadblock” http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/07/red-sox-unlikely-to-get-hamels-no-trade-clause-is-roadblock.html

    you mean Philly won’t accept Mike Napoli and a bunch of fringe prospects?

    • Y’s Guy

      That ntc is really working in the Yankees and Dodgers favor. He already flat-out said he wouldn’t waive it to go to Toronto. And I think the O’s are too cheap to pick up his salary.

      • Sir Didi Nakamura

        Market has to be a bit thin I think. If Judge/Severino/Mateo/Bird don’t need to be dealt to get him, then do it. Package doesn’t matter to me then. I don’t think that’s possible though unless nobody is offering a crazy good package.

        • MTU

          Someone will step up and surrender a top talent or two to get him IMO.

          • Y’s Guy

            I believe they already have a package in pocket and are just trying to top it. Otherwise I think they would have gotten something down with Texas, SF or Houston.

            • MTU

              That is stating the obvious.

              • Y’s Guy

                Its neither obvious nor a sure thing, just a theory of mine.

      • MTU

        There are lot’s of Teams in the hunt.

        • Y’s Guy

          Only 9 are not on the NTC list and most of them aren’t in play anyway. The teams not on the list have a clear advantage.

          • MTU

            That is not as big an impediment as you think IMO.

            • Y’s Guy

              tell that to the RS and Astros. It’s $14M.

              • MTU

                All the Sux would have to do is surrender the right people, i.e. Betts/Swihart, and pick up his option.
                Done deal.

                • Y’s Guy

                  And guarantee the last year of the contract, which is apparently the holdup. (and we don’t even know if he’d waive his ntc even if they did guarantee the last year)

                  • MTU

                    Why should that be a problem ?

                    • Y’s Guy

                      He doesnt have to waive it even if they promise to gurantee the last year first off. And secondly this disucssion started over the mlbtraderumors thing saying that the ntc is the roadblock.

                    • MTU

                      You’re right he doesn’t but if they did that he might.
                      Money talks and BS walks.
                      And who gives a rip what MLBTR says ?
                      They just report rumors.

                    • Y’s Guy

                      ok but the ntc sure seems to be in play to me.

                    • MTU

                      Most of the time they are just a way to extract more money.

                    • Y’s Guy

                      Sometimes they are a way to stay off a team or out of a city you don’t want to play for. I think Hamels really wants to win and if he can use the ntc to steer himself to a chance this PS, he’ll do what he can.

                • blake

                  they aren’t trading Betts and Swihart’s stock has dropped.

                  • MTU

                    But that might be what it takes.

            • Y’s Guy

              “Bradford says there are indications that the Phillies may be devoting more attention to working with interested teams that do not appear on the list of teams over which Hamels has veto power. That may suggest that the clause is a significant barrier — and one, perhaps, that the Phillies do not want to deal with in finalizing an agreement.”

          • Rob

            Are the Astros on th NTC list?

            • Y’s Guy

              yes

      • blake

        yup…..the Astros really want him….but does he want them? NY is pretty close to Philly….hopefully geography is helping us out here.

        • MTU

          It might make good sense to get CC’s replacement now.
          Price is the other option.

          • blake

            if they sell…..and the Price for Price is the right price

        • Y’s Guy

          I’ve said all along that I consider it very significant that he left the Yankees off the list. The Dodgers and Padres were obvious, since he’s from there, but the Yankees are almost a must for any limited ntc.

          • Mandy Stankiewicz

            He signed that contract in the (I think) 2011 offseason, I think he picked it based on teams that were very competitive: Dodgers/Wash/Cards Yanks all won their divisions. Mets and Cubs were good, too. He grew up in San Diego, so that might have been a hometown thing…since the Padres sucked in 2010/2011.

            • Y’s Guy

              I believe he gets to change the teams on the list each year.

              • Mandy Stankiewicz

                Never knew that! Thanks Ys.

  • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

    George A. King III @GeorgeAKingIII
    Diego Moreno and Yankees bats bail out Chris Capuano, now they might share a cab to Triple-A

  • Chip

    I posted Didi’s July numbers…but he’s been really good for much longer:

    Mike Axisa ?@mikeaxisa 7m7 minutes ago

    Gregorius is hitting .285/.329/..415 since the middle of May. That’ll work just fine.

    • Mandy Stankiewicz

      BUT TEH IQ???!!!//

  • blake

    I hope didi is so good that they have to move Mateo to 2b in a couple of years.

    • Tom

      What a middle infield that could be.

      • Y’s Guy

        Mateo doesnt even exist for me till I see him start hitting AA pitching.

        • blake

          I mean yea……

          • Y’s Guy

            Love the speed but then I see that Billy Hamilton’s wRC+ makes Stephen Drew’s look studly.

        • calripyankee

          Yea, I wanna see more.. Still think he ranks right up there with all the over-hyped Redsox prospects that’ll make ever list imaginable, while putting up pedestrian numbers..

          • Tom

            He’s doing well for his age and was moved up aggressively to low A. He obviously has to show he can hit and run against better competition.