Hal: “I didn’t want to give those kids up” at the trade deadline

Next wave of pitching prospects emerging in the minors
Game 113: If Greg Bird Can't Save Them, No One Can
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Two weeks ago the Yankees did relatively little at the trade deadline, acquiring Dustin Ackley in a minor trade with the Mariners and that’s all. The team was connected to almost every available pitcher but nothing came together, mostly because the Yankees were reportedly unwilling to deal their top prospects. That strategy is both understandable and very debatable.

At the owners meetings in Chicago this week, Hal Steinbrenner told Paul Hagen it was essentially his idea to make those top prospects off limits, mentioning several by name. Here’s what Hal said:

“I really don’t think we had the type of glaring need that you would address by giving up one of your top Triple-A prospects,” the managing general partner said Wednesday during the quarterly Owners Meetings. “I just wasn’t going to do it, especially not for a loaner, a guy you’re only going to have for three months or so.”

“Again, I didn’t want to give those kids up,” Steinbrenner said. “We’ve been looking at them for two, three years now. They’ve progressed perfectly, and they’re all sitting there at [Triple-A] Scranton/[Wilkes-Barre]. Any one of them could contribute now if need be. We’ve already seen that in Luis Severino the last two starts. Greg Bird and Aaron Judge. Rob Refsnyder is there. James Pazos, some of the pitchers you’ve seen. Gary Sanchez is having a good year. So we’ve got some talent in Scranton, and we’re not going to give it up.”

Bird was called up earlier today, in case you missed it. He’ll serve as a backup at first base and DH for the time being. There’s really no way to get him in the lineup without sitting Alex Rodriguez or Mark Teixeira, so we’ll see how he’s used going forward.

Many of the team’s top prospects are in Triple-A right now — or in MLB, in the case of Bird and Severino — and those are the most valuable prospects because they’re so close to helping. It made sense to hang onto them … and I also think it made sense to move some of them (not all!) for help at the deadline. The Yankees had obvious needs (pitching, second base) and they were in first place after not going to the postseason the last two years. Would have been cool to get some upgrades.

Anyway, Hal and Brian Cashman and pretty much everyone in the organization said this past offseason the Yankees will rely more on younger players going forward, and it wasn’t just talk. They’ve walked the walk this year by calling up Bird, Severino, Jacob Lindgren, Slade Heathcott, Mason Williams, and a bunch of others throughout the summer. It’s fun! As long as it doesn’t hurt the team’s chances of playing in October, of course.

Next wave of pitching prospects emerging in the minors
Game 113: If Greg Bird Can't Save Them, No One Can
  • calripyankee

    I’m glad he didn’t..

  • Kenthadley

    If they stick to that as a strategy, then I’m all for it even if it hurts the team this year. However, it seems that they have flip flopped on strategies over the years and that’s no good. Build young talent, replace the 24mil/year declining talent, then go after the one or two “big hits” that come on the market that make sense.

  • IRememberCelerinoSanchez

    I don’t doubt Hal believes that. But I think, first and foremost, he doesn’t want to spend money. The “kids” gives him cover to be cheap. The amount the Yanks spend relative to their financial strength has plummeted. The Yanks cut while most other teams have bumped up payroll. I’m just sick of Hal’s cheap streak.

    • Kenthadley

      It seems that Hal is adverse to paying luxury taxes, maybe for good reason. I’ve noticed in the past few years that he’s put quite a bit of money into more minor league teams (two in DSL, and 4 in rookie leagues). That’s a way of exercising your financial clout but not giving it to other teams via luxury taxes. I’d imagine that he’ll always be right up to the max salary level, but won’t want to go much over it, particularly for the increasing penalties that he currently incurs.

    • Kenthadley

      It seems that Hal is adverse to paying luxury taxes, maybe for good reason. I’ve noticed in the past few years that he’s put quite a bit of money into more minor league teams (two in DSL, and 4 in rookie leagues). That’s a way of exercising your financial clout but not giving it to other teams via luxury taxes. I’d imagine that he’ll always be right up to the max salary level, but won’t want to go much over it, particularly for the increasing penalties that he currently incurs.

  • Luis Seveddardino

    And this was 100% the right decision, Mike. Hal’s building a dynasty like his father did and fans need to realize that it takes time. Rome didn’t build a dynasty in a day. America took years to beat the British and centuries to build theirs. Bird is up, Severino is up, Judge will be up soon. Didi and Eovaldi are bright young stars. There’s a lot to look forward to with these kids, and you haven’t been able to say that for 20 years.

  • Roy Black

    Smart not to make any trades. David Price, so far, would not have helped the Yanks win any games. The problem has been hitting. Would Tulo have helped? He would have displaced one of our best players in the last month, Didi, he has a bad history of injuries and a big, long-term contract. Would his bat have saved a couple of games? Eh. Not worth giving up a Severino, Bird/Judge and some other throw-in.

  • YankeeB

    All you can say here is that you hope that the young players perform up to expectations. The theory is fine, it worked before. As long as Judge, Bird, Severino, Mateo, Sanchez, etc. turn out to play at the level of Jeter, Posada, Williams, Pettitte, Rivera, etc. We shall see. The decision might cost a playoff run in 2015 (and probably 2016, given the onerous contracts still on the books), but by 2017 this decision may start to pay off.

    • thismoviesucks

      people forget that those kids were surrounded by Veterans…

    • thismoviesucks

      people forget that those kids were surrounded by Veterans…

  • Mike Myers

    there are 5 lengthy and thought out responses in a row below this: Weird.

    • pat

      I ended that.

      • Mike Myers

        thank you. I was getting worried.

        • pat

          Oh damn, now that I refreshed I’m at the top. Whoops.

        • pat

          Oh damn, now that I refreshed I’m at the top. Whoops.

    • The Original Drew

      I don’t know if you ever call what Eddard writes as “thought out” but I see your point.

  • The Original Drew

    THE KIDS ARE PLAYING THE KIDS ARE PLAYING!

    (Pulls down pants)

    • Mike Myers

      thats more like it.

  • pat

    When the Yankees trade prospects: GODDAMN OWNERSHIP IS RUINING THIS TEAM WHY DO THEY ALWAYS TRADE PROSPECTS??
    When the Yankees don’t trade prospects: GODDAMN OWNERSHIP IS RUINING THIS TEAM BY BEING CHEAP

    • Greddard Bireddard

      Yep. People say we have too many 30+ year olds with albatross contracts then all they want is to get more of those players – Give me Utley, give me Shields. All they did last year was complain how we had nobody in the farm to bring up and help. Now we do and they wanted to trade those kids at the deadline for more old, declining players. It’s an endless cycle of stupid.

      • Bubba

        Bwahahahaha

      • Bubba

        Bwahahahaha

      • thismoviesucks

        yup. we wanted to trade all of our prospects for some old guys thats exactly what we wanted. just bleed our farm system dry….

    • Greddard Bireddard

      Yep. People say we have too many 30+ year olds with albatross contracts then all they want is to get more of those players – Give me Utley, give me Shields. All they did last year was complain how we had nobody in the farm to bring up and help. Now we do and they wanted to trade those kids at the deadline for more old, declining players. It’s an endless cycle of stupid.

    • Some Asshole

      I appreciate the use of bold font for this. Usually I stick to italics, but bold is…bold. Thumbs up for portraying our hate.

    • Some Asshole

      I appreciate the use of bold font for this. Usually I stick to italics, but bold is…bold. Thumbs up for portraying our hate.

    • Hank

      Because there is no middle ground?

      • Ma-kun Fronaka

        There can be, but there didn’t seem to be this deadline. It was a VERY friendly seller’s market and even the less than top tier options were demanding pretty impressive returns.The closest to buyer friendly was Kazmir, and dealing with Beane and how he evaluates players is a wildcard. It’s not like they didn’t explore their options.

        • Some Asshole

          It’s also not like they didn’t try, if the reports on the Kimbrel/Gyorko deal are accurate. The Padres wanted to rid themselves fully of their folly, it seems, and the Yankees rightfully told them to fuck off.

        • Some Asshole

          It’s also not like they didn’t try, if the reports on the Kimbrel/Gyorko deal are accurate. The Padres wanted to rid themselves fully of their folly, it seems, and the Yankees rightfully told them to fuck off.

      • Ma-kun Fronaka

        There can be, but there didn’t seem to be this deadline. It was a VERY friendly seller’s market and even the less than top tier options were demanding pretty impressive returns.The closest to buyer friendly was Kazmir, and dealing with Beane and how he evaluates players is a wildcard. It’s not like they didn’t explore their options.

    • emac2

      The joy of a world with more then one person.

      There are always millions of people with a contrary opinion. It doesn’t mean the same people make both complaints.

    • emac2

      The joy of a world with more then one person.

      There are always millions of people with a contrary opinion. It doesn’t mean the same people make both complaints.

  • Roy Black

    So, if next year’s rotation is Tanaka, Pineda, Eovaldi, Nova and Severino, what do you do with Sabathia and Warren? BTW, love that starting five.

    • Kenthadley

      you need a starting “ten” nowadays…..

    • Kenthadley

      you need a starting “ten” nowadays…..

    • PsychoticMustacheMasher

      Thats next year, a lot can happen before then.. Most likely one of those 5 starters are on the DL to start the season.

    • PsychoticMustacheMasher

      Thats next year, a lot can happen before then.. Most likely one of those 5 starters are on the DL to start the season.

    • Greddard Bireddard

      DFA Sabathia. Keep the rest and go 6 man rotation the entire year and revolutionize baseball.

    • Greddard Bireddard

      DFA Sabathia. Keep the rest and go 6 man rotation the entire year and revolutionize baseball.

  • Roy Black

    So, if next year’s rotation is Tanaka, Pineda, Eovaldi, Nova and Severino, what do you do with Sabathia and Warren? BTW, love that starting five.

  • Some Asshole

    Cashmen failed to tell their boss to fuck off and do what he wants.

    • PsychoticMustacheMasher

      I told that to my teacher once… Lets just say that I wouldn’t advise Cashman to do the same thing unless he wants to get yelled at by his mom, like my mom yelled at me

    • PsychoticMustacheMasher

      I told that to my teacher once… Lets just say that I wouldn’t advise Cashman to do the same thing unless he wants to get yelled at by his mom, like my mom yelled at me

  • Some Asshole

    Cashmen failed to tell their boss to fuck off and do what he wants.

  • Some Asshole

    Snark aside, even with all of the assured “ZOMG HAL IS TEH CHEEP AND IS A FINANCE BRO!!!” comments, it’s nice to see some kind of strategy in place that the Yankees seem committed to following, rather than haphazardly blowing the game plan to do something else, then having to figure out what to do next. It doesn’t make sense to sink enough luxury tax dollars when they could eventually use it to sign the prospects long term if they pan out or really play the free agent market if they don’t.

    Some folks may hate that they didn’t blow their wad on the rental flavor of the moment (not to mention the myth of the exclusive negotiating window, which happened like once and isn’t likely to repeat itself for top talent), but the Yankees are sticking to their guns. On the plus side, should (“WHEN!!!”) the farm fail, they’ll be very well position to buy, buy, buy.

    • UnKnown

      Snark aside? Cmon brother. All you got is snark. You’re pretty good at it, but you are a one trick pony.

    • UnKnown

      Snark aside? Cmon brother. All you got is snark. You’re pretty good at it, but you are a one trick pony.

    • PsychoticMustacheMasher

      So you are being serious.. I don’t know how to respond to that.. Did someone hack your account?

      • Some Asshole

        ????? ????? ???? ? ??????. ?????????? ??????.

        • PsychoticMustacheMasher

          You had me at hello!

        • Rob

          HaHaHaHaHaHaha…”Putin has locked me in a cell. Please help.” HaHaHaHa

        • Rob

          HaHaHaHaHaHaha…”Putin has locked me in a cell. Please help.” HaHaHaHa

    • PsychoticMustacheMasher

      So you are being serious.. I don’t know how to respond to that.. Did someone hack your account?

    • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

      And they are blaming this losing streak on it. One bat wouldn’t have reversed this slump. Plus they were looking at pitching.

      • Some Asshole

        It’s a slump. I would imagine the offense will come around. A pitcher would have been nice. Someone like Latos since the ask was too much for the Cuetos and Prices of the world.

        • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

          Fans are fickle. The coincidence of this slump and the BJ’s sudden rise is just that. They have nothing to do with each other.

        • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

          Fans are fickle. The coincidence of this slump and the BJ’s sudden rise is just that. They have nothing to do with each other.

      • Some Asshole

        It’s a slump. I would imagine the offense will come around. A pitcher would have been nice. Someone like Latos since the ask was too much for the Cuetos and Prices of the world.

    • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

      And they are blaming this losing streak on it. One bat wouldn’t have reversed this slump. Plus they were looking at pitching.

  • Some Asshole

    Snark aside, even with all of the assured “ZOMG HAL IS TEH CHEEP AND IS A FINANCE BRO!!!” comments, it’s nice to see some kind of strategy in place that the Yankees seem committed to following, rather than haphazardly blowing the game plan to do something else, then having to figure out what to do next. It doesn’t make sense to sink enough luxury tax dollars when they could eventually use it to sign the prospects long term if they pan out or really play the free agent market if they don’t.

    Some folks may hate that they didn’t blow their wad on the rental flavor of the moment (not to mention the myth of the exclusive negotiating window, which happened like once and isn’t likely to repeat itself for top talent), but the Yankees are sticking to their guns. On the plus side, should (“WHEN!!!”) the farm fail, they’ll be very well position to buy, buy, buy.

  • emac2

    You can’t use the excuse of not trading the top prospects when you fail to do anything at all. They didn’t have to go all in but they had an obligation to make an effort.

    If Hal can’t see the weakness at 2nd base and acknowledge it as needing help he isn’t qualified to be commenting on the state of the team or making decisions.

    Unless he’s just lying.

    • Some Asshole

      So, here’s the assignment. Name a second base upgrade that was obtainable that didn’t end up costing someone on the caliber like the Yankees said they didn’t want to trade. You will also need to consider whether the other team would actually pull that trigger.

      • nyjchris

        Logan Forsythe. But Tampa wouldn’t have traded him to us.

        EDIT: and also. I understand you’re point, but its not up to us to find the talent. Brandon Mccarthy is a perfect example. It’s up to Cash to find those buy-low, high-impact guys. Maybe Ackley was gonna be that player.

        • Some Asshole

          Right. Takes two to tango. Life is more complex than the AI, which doesn’t yet seem to take into account such things like “I really don’t want to sell to this team in particular.”

          • emac2

            Toss in 50 million and they make the deal. (no, I wouldn’t do that but the point is valid even if exaggerated)

            Stop pretending that the inability to get a fair price excuses incompetence or the failure to do the job.

            • Some Asshole

              Is it competence if they don’t pay a fair price?

              • emac2

                Yes.

                The game isn’t who gets the best deal. It’s about who has the best team.

                Getting into the playoffs or even having a team that is closer to it and make a more entertaining effort makes a ton of money.

                Is it smart to save 4 mil if the cost is a 40 mil loss in revenue?

                • Some Asshole

                  The Yankees are betting that they can bring up a roster that will bring them to the postseason in multiple years, not just this one. The motivation is not quite the same as it is for the Blue Jays, who haven’t been in pretty much a generation, or it was for the Tigers, whose owner wanted to see something before he kicks the bucket, or it is for the Nationals, for the same reason.

                  If the Yankees fail to make it in several years, you’d be right. If they construct a better roster and become perennial contenders again with less dead weight, they may be right.

                • nyjchris

                  You’re speaking as if spending that 4 mill will guarantee an upgrade that will be the thing that leads to us making the playoffs. Drew is not gonna be the key to our success/failure this season. Plus we traded for Ackley, that’s not nothing even though he isn’t gonna play. I mean who did you genuinely want us to go get. The middle infield market is extremely thin.

                  • Some Asshole

                    Ackley may be one of those ultimate buy low candidates, but I’m still not sure what the point of the move was, unless it was totally for next year.

                    • nyjchris

                      I think he was a better bench option than Garret Jones because he could play some second.

                    • Some Asshole

                      I suppose, but I’d have rather cut Ryan and kept Jones at the time.

                  • emac2

                    Ackley is nothing. He is a duplicate of the deepest position in the system we are supposedly so proud of we can’t trade anyone. Trading for him almost makes Hals statements today a lie.

                    No trade is a guarantee of anything so don’t pretend I’m guaranteeing anything for 4 mil.

                    I expect a team trying to make the playoffs to address it’s weaknesses in some way. I’m using second base because we have about the worst second base production in the game.

                    I would have traded for Tulo and just used cash. I never would have waited until the deadline when it’s been so obvious since last year what Drew brings to the table.

                    • nyjchris

                      “Trading for him almost makes Hals statements today a lie.”

                      This isn’t remotely true.
                      And Drew was never a sub 200 hitter until last year. He had a career of being a .250 hitter as evidence that it was just a down season. Obviously this turned out to be wrong but its not like there were a shitload of better options and we picked the worst one.

                • nyjchris

                  You’re speaking as if spending that 4 mill will guarantee an upgrade that will be the thing that leads to us making the playoffs. Drew is not gonna be the key to our success/failure this season. Plus we traded for Ackley, that’s not nothing even though he isn’t gonna play. I mean who did you genuinely want us to go get. The middle infield market is extremely thin.

              • emac2

                Yes.

                The game isn’t who gets the best deal. It’s about who has the best team.

                Getting into the playoffs or even having a team that is closer to it and make a more entertaining effort makes a ton of money.

                Is it smart to save 4 mil if the cost is a 40 mil loss in revenue?

            • Some Asshole

              Is it competence if they don’t pay a fair price?

          • emac2

            Toss in 50 million and they make the deal. (no, I wouldn’t do that but the point is valid even if exaggerated)

            Stop pretending that the inability to get a fair price excuses incompetence or the failure to do the job.

        • Some Asshole

          Saw the edit. Maybe. I’m sure glad they didn’t sign McCarthy in the winter; not for that price. Would have been pleased at the time with a two-year deal, to remove the injury hindsight.

          • nyjchris

            Me too. I don’t think we’re signing a starter this offseason either. Too many young arms that are ready and others that will be ready in the next 2 years. I’m okay with that. 2B is clearly the biggest upgrade need. Who knows we might find out that Ref is that guy come September.

          • nyjchris

            Me too. I don’t think we’re signing a starter this offseason either. Too many young arms that are ready and others that will be ready in the next 2 years. I’m okay with that. 2B is clearly the biggest upgrade need. Who knows we might find out that Ref is that guy come September.

      • PsychoticMustacheMasher

        Kyle Holder for Joe Panik! Kyle Holder gets to move to the west coast where he is from, so a win-win trade

      • emac2

        Put me on payroll and I’ll do the job.

        Pretending that there are no 2nd basemen on the planet better then Drew and obtainable for something other then a top 10 prospect is so stupid it isn’t worthy of discussion.

      • Dick M

        That reasoning is so messed up. The real question is how did we let it get to this place with all of our resources. Brian Roberts and Kelly Johnson and Stephen Drew and Brendan Ryan. Give me a break. When they knew they weren’t gonna sign Cano all along. it’s bad management pure and simple.

        • PsychoticMustacheMasher

          There weren’t really any better options out there.. Its not like they could just get another top 5 player at 2B to replace Cano

          • Dick M

            It’s been 2 years of this shit.

            • PsychoticMustacheMasher

              I know, and there still hasn’t really been any good available options.. Unless you wanna take on Castro or Andrus and their horrible contracts?

              • http://yankeecanada.com/ robertg

                everyone that’s been mentioned someone puts them down or rationalizes not taking them on for one reason or another. Utley has been mentioned but he’s too old, too injury prone. We may have to give up a prospect or two. Desmond is no good and too old. Others mentioned have “horrible contracts”. Phillips is another. We didn’t want Tulo because he had a history of injury and look what he’s doing with the Jays and he hasn’t been injured for quite a while. It’s like we’re not satisfied with anyone since Cano has gone. We found Didi to replace Jeter and he’s developing and performing well after a shaky start. We could have found someone to replace Cano too if management wanted to. I still don’t believe Pirela or Refsnyder wouldn’t have given us more than Drew or Ryan if we were prepared to let them develop like we did Didi.

          • Dick M

            It’s been 2 years of this shit.

          • Dick M

            It’s been 2 years of this shit.

          • emac2

            Drew is the best option a 200 million dollar team can find after a couple years of searching?

            Pathetic.

            • PsychoticMustacheMasher

              Who else has been available?? Find some names. There has been horrible options at 2B the last couple of years

              • emac2

                Every second basemen in major league baseball is available if you’re willing to pay enough.

                Every single one.

                You have to be man enough to overpay instead of insisting on getting a good deal

                • Some Asshole

                  Overpaying isn’t necessarily the smart thing. Just ask the Dodgers where they keep their World Series trophies.

                  • emac2

                    Are you a Yankee fan?

                    It worked for us for a really long time and now you want to say it doesn’t work because of the Dodgers?

                    • nyjchris

                      Are you a Yankee fan????? It got us 1 title in 15 years!!!!

                    • emac2

                      I am.

                      I don’t know what team you follow with the single championship but I’m sorry.

                    • nyjchris

                      Since 2000 we’ve won 1 championship. Maybe you haven’t been paying attention but you’re methodology of spending, spending and spending some more to win stopped working. Baseball is different now. You can’t pay for aging players because their production doesn’t hold anymore without steroids.

                    • emac2

                      Just because you were born 15 years ago doesn’t mean the world started in 2000.

                      The methodology stopped working because they invested in the wrong players against the advise of most professionals in the sport. It wasn’t a proof against the value of money. It was a proof that management doesn’t know what they’re doing.

                      They would have won more if they spent more but they wouldn’t have won more if they spent less. Want to argue that?

                      How about gravity?

                    • nyjchris

                      Please read: Baseball is different now. You can’t pay for aging players because their production doesn’t hold anymore without steroids.

                      If you don’t think baseball is different than it was in the 80s or 90s or whenever you’re referring to then idk what to tell you. You want to just dismiss the last 15 years of having the highest playroll in baseball year in and year out as just “investing in the wrong players”. Which one were the wrong ones? There needs to be a balance between young talent development and veteran production. That’s what won us 4 championships in the 90s – not purely spending.

                    • emac2

                      That’s why they shouldn’t have signed Arod and CC. It has nothing to do with them overpaying for a second basemen to help them get to the playoffs.

                      Trading for a second basemen without using a top prospect doesn’t deny the balance you’re talking about.

                    • Some Asshole

                      But check it out, they Yankees weren’t completely dominating the field. Top spending, yes, but they’re still number 2 now. Partly by overspending.

                      http://www.stlsports.com/articles/ja.mlbsalaries.html

                    • PsychoticMustacheMasher

                      Worked for us in a different time period.. Baseball today is not the same as 15 years ago.. I mean the Diamondbacks got a 1 billion dollar tv deal.. Every team has a lot of money now, so money doesn’t help as much anymore

                    • emac2

                      Being cheap is working how well?

                      How many titles did we win by being cheap?

                      Unless you’re practicing being a lawyer you’re just playing the fool.

                      Overpaying to get the last couple of pieces is how it works. It’s as tried and true as any strategy in the sport.

                      Stop pretending there simply was no way the team could improve and just admit you’re ok with them not making an extra effort this year. I would still disagree, but you wouldn’t have to pretend the laws of the universe are suddenly different.

                    • PsychoticMustacheMasher

                      Are we being cheap?? Maybe compared to the Dodgers yes, but other than that, no the Yankees are NOT being cheap…

                    • emac2

                      How much did they spend to improve at the deadline?

                      Yeah, I thought so.

                    • Some Asshole

                      I can say it if would please you that much. Going into this year, I thought the Yankees would be just as middling as they were in 2014 and they were in April and May. Now that they got hot, I’m fine with them not breaking the deck to make a push that would depend, in large part, on the very same players that are slumping right now.

                    • emac2

                      Fair enough.

                      I think it’s a terrible business decision not to take advantage of the surprise position you find yourself in and I think a more seasoned owner would have seen more value in what is usually a very rare opportunity.

                      I never said break the deck.

                      I said improve the team using money, MLB players and prospects out of the top 10. That is the position you guys are disagreeing about.

                      I wouldn’t have traded the top minor leaguers for Price BTW

                    • nyjchris

                      You assume that they didn’t try or make an effort to do this

                    • emac2

                      They failed to replace the worst 2nd basemen in the league with as many cash and prospect assets as anyone in the game.

                      I can’t honestly say they made an effort. I can honestly say any effort they did make was so weak and late that they probably aren’t going to make the playoffs.

                    • Some Asshole

                      Has it? They’ve gotten key support from homegrown talent during the glory days. They also were not throwing away the equivalent of a top talent salary on subsidizing the other teams.

                    • emac2

                      Yes they were

          • emac2

            Drew is the best option a 200 million dollar team can find after a couple years of searching?

            Pathetic.

        • PsychoticMustacheMasher

          There weren’t really any better options out there.. Its not like they could just get another top 5 player at 2B to replace Cano

        • emac2

          The idea that it take 5-10 years to develop a middle infielder is crazy.

          The idea that fans defend it is weird.

        • Some Asshole

          Most second basemen are terrible. If I remember that year right, the only other viable buy was Omar Infante.

          They may have swung a trade for someone like Phillips. But I’m not convinced signing Cano until he’s 42 is good management.

          • Dick M

            Did I say sign Cano. But you know the dye was cast on him early on in 2013. We are now 2 1/2 years into the search.

            • PsychoticMustacheMasher

              Pretty much every team is searching for a great middle infielder, but they are just damn near impossible to find. There aren’t really any good ones available and there hasn’t been one for years outside of Cano

              • nyjchris

                Yea and it should be noted that we replaced Jeter with a good young guy instantly. Everyone’s overlooking that.

                • PsychoticMustacheMasher

                  Thank you, someone with some sense!! But no, people are forgetting that..

                • emac2

                  That was after wasting a year on a retirement tour.

                  • nyjchris

                    Please. You’re just trolling at this point.

                    • emac2

                      Because I didn’t like the idea of giving up a season of competitive baseball just so Jeter could hit 2nd all year?

                      Trolling can also be a blind defense of a team that doesn’t even allow disagreement with team moves.

              • Dick M

                No one said we should be able to find a great one. Can we at least find one who can hit 250?

            • Some Asshole

              It was? I didn’t know they knew the Mariners would get drunk and give him the mega deal.

              • PsychoticMustacheMasher

                Maybe if you pulled your head out your ass, so you could see that Cashman sucked, you would have noticed like the rest of the world did!! Everyone else made a lot of money on betting that Cano would leave!

                • Some Asshole

                  Apparently.

                  Though, I like the smell of my own farts.

              • Dick M

                They made no effort to sign Cano. Total PR stuff. I don’t disagree, he wasn’t worth a long term deal given his age. But they knew the deal and still here we are. With Drew.

                • Some Asshole

                  The 2013 Drew would be nice, but that’s not in the cards, apparently.

          • emac2

            They could have had Phillips for free.

  • emac2

    You can’t use the excuse of not trading the top prospects when you fail to do anything at all. They didn’t have to go all in but they had an obligation to make an effort.

    If Hal can’t see the weakness at 2nd base and acknowledge it as needing help he isn’t qualified to be commenting on the state of the team or making decisions.

    Unless he’s just lying.

  • Now Batting

    Where else is Hal going to find MLB players that will make the minimum in 2017.

  • Now Batting

    Where else is Hal going to find MLB players that will make the minimum in 2017.

  • Chien Ming The Merciless

    I think if we didn’t have this hitting slump we’d probably be more okay with not making moves.

  • Chien Ming The Merciless

    I think if we didn’t have this hitting slump we’d probably be more okay with not making moves.

  • nyjchris

    It’s cool to hear from Hal. I hope we do more often. I like having a vocal owner. Maybe not as much as George but way better than an absentee owner like the Wilpons.

    • http://yankeecanada.com/ robertg

      How long did it take him to come out and say anything. He probably only did because everyone was blaming Cashman for doing nothing at the trade deadline and he felt he had to own up to who was really responsible. All through this losing streak and loss of an 8 game lead we’ve heard nothing from him except yesterday.

      • nyjchris

        Yea because he’s smart enough to know that losing 8 out of 13 games with FOURTY-SEVEN games left in the season is not the end of the world – unlike most fans.

        • http://yankeecanada.com/ robertg

          yeh, Hal is a great baseball man. A business man with a bottom line and lots of money but knowing baseball? He depends on the guys around him for any baseball decisions

          • nyjchris

            Just like every owner in sports

          • emac2

            Who told him not to make any trades or spend any money?

            Guys?

  • John in Forest

    The guys who could most easily be moved were the surplus LH-hitting OFs — Heathcott, Williams, and Flores — and the surplus relief pitchers. The team did move Flores, and Heathcott and Williams were hurt. With the starters hitting their pitch limits in the 5th and 6th innings, we need the relief pitchers; this team has about an 18-man pitching staff. So they moved the guy they could move.

  • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

    Jack Curry ? @JackCurryYES
    Today was a terrific day for a run. Arcade Fire provided the get-me-home song (with running in its title).
    ===============
    Who cares?

    • https://www.flickr.com/photos/roadgeek/ Roadgeek Adam

      If he wants to talk about his run he has the right.

      • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

        He does it every day.

    • Chardee_MacDennis

      apparently you..

  • OscarGamblesAfro

    replace “kids” with “money” and you have an accurate headline.

    • PsychoticMustacheMasher

      Not really no..

    • PsychoticMustacheMasher

      Not really no..

  • OscarGamblesAfro

    Hipsters everywhere ( except those who moved on to aVampre Weekend)

  • OscarGamblesAfro

    Hipsters everywhere ( except those who moved on to aVampre Weekend)

  • John in Forest

    I’m not totally sure the team is committed to playing the kids. I keep hearing it, but I’m not convinced yet. Murphy ought to be catching more than he is; McCann will probably catch more games than he has since 2010. Yes, Heathcott and Williams started in CF right after Ellsbury went on the DL; but if they hadn’t gotten hurt they’d have been sent right back down when Jacoby came back, and probably would have been dealt at the deadline. They’re using the young pitchers because they have to; but they refuse to move CC to the bullpen or the unemployment line so that Warren can start. They’ve committed to Gregorius at short, but back in April and May when Didi still looked lost, Drew was hitting .160 and still getting a lot of time at short. If Ryan had been healthy all year and Drew had kept his average at .220 all year, do you really think we’d be watching Didi turn in two web gems each night?

    • Some Asshole

      I’m not sure if you like keeping the kids or not, but I’m not sure what kind of return Mason Williams and Slade Heathcott would have fetched this year.

      • John in Forest

        They’re surplus guys; no place for them in Yankee Stadium. They could have been packaged in deal if they’d been healthy. But pointing to them as examples of “going with the kids” doesn’t work for me. They were going back to the minors when Ellsbury came off the DL.

        • PsychoticMustacheMasher

          Even if you package Mason and Slade, I just don’t see them bringing back more than a reliever or some buy low candidate.. They have been bad the last couple of years and hurt a bunch of times, they didn’t really have any trade value

  • John in Forest

    I’m not totally sure the team is committed to playing the kids. I keep hearing it, but I’m not convinced yet. Murphy ought to be catching more than he is; McCann will probably catch more games than he has since 2010. Yes, Heathcott and Williams started in CF right after Ellsbury went on the DL; but if they hadn’t gotten hurt they’d have been sent right back down when Jacoby came back, and probably would have been dealt at the deadline. They’re using the young pitchers because they have to; but they refuse to move CC to the bullpen or the unemployment line so that Warren can start. They’ve committed to Gregorius at short, but back in April and May when Didi still looked lost, Drew was hitting .160 and still getting a lot of time at short. If Ryan had been healthy all year and Drew had kept his average at .220 all year, do you really think we’d be watching Didi turn in two web gems each night?

  • Monterocouldstillbedinero

    CC did not get over 91 mph last night by my watch.

    • http://yankeecanada.com/ robertg

      still pitched a great game without any run support. It’s hard to criticize when a guy only gives up 2 runs

      • Monterocouldstillbedinero

        Good, not great. Indians were doing their risp failure imitation of Yanks.

        It was just an observation since folks were excited about his 93/94’s against the Sawx.

    • http://yankeecanada.com/ robertg

      still pitched a great game without any run support. It’s hard to criticize when a guy only gives up 2 runs

  • Monterocouldstillbedinero

    CC did not get over 91 mph last night by my watch.

  • Dick M

    A total fuckin lightweight. Consumed by his Daddy’s shadow.

  • Dick M

    A total fuckin lightweight. Consumed by his Daddy’s shadow.

  • http://yankeecanada.com/ robertg

    at that point before the TD the Yankees were pretty set. Home and cooled. Hal had an inflated idea of the strength of his team and blind to any weaknesses or potential weaknesses. Little did he realize I’m sure how the Jays would stock up and go all in and how soon the Yankees lead would disappear. Anyway, it is what it is. Can’t go back and change it now and perhaps he wouldn’t. He’s all in on his prospects and wanting to build a new Core 4 or 5 that will make a winner out of the Yankees over the next 5 years. I hope he’s right

  • cashmoney

    Where the fuck is Ref! Aight you want to commit to kids, then why signed Ellsbury and Beltran and forfeit two picks in the process. why not pony up 10 mil more for moncada instead signing the lights of Cap and Drew. I like to say fuck you to Brian Cashman for making me watch Drew for 2 years. 2 years! other than that, fine stick with the plan. augmented when all expiring big contract are gone which by my estimation would be 2017 to get under the cap and 18 to spend in augmenting.

    • pat

      Who was ready to play in the majors when the signed Beltran and Ellsbury?

      • cashmoney

        nobody, nor were they ready to contend. pick a lane.

    • Douglas Rau

      We saw with Tanaka, when the Yankees think an international player is really that difference maker, they’re willing to bid what it takes. They looked at Moncada–maybe they simply don’t believe he’s going to be the same level of player. We will see. He hasn’t shown anything yet.

      • Some Asshole

        One way or another, Moncada doesn’t do anything for this year, which seems to be the biggest complaint.

        • cashmoney

          the biggest complaint from me is that NYY missed an opportunity to acquire talent that rarely presents itself, sure overpaid if you must and maybe he wil, maybe he won’t. but that’s precisely the type of risks I like to see NYY take instead of signing an Ellsbury for 153 mil while having a fascimile of that in gardner, Ells wasn’t the missing piece to a jaggenaut. that’s a poorer way of allocating finite resources in lieu of a long term plan building quantity with quality on farm.

          • Some Asshole

            I ain’t going to defend the Ellsbury contract or the will to go 95% of the way on Moncada, for that matter.

      • cashmoney

        i was s big proponent of signing Tanaka, because his age and none availability/scarcity of such talent that would ever come thru via FA. that said, that’s the name of game, let’s stop signing guys over 30 to long term contract and take a step back and take more risk in possibly getting talents that in NYY has no business of signning. Moncada was clearly of that sort to me. That requires NYY be open to all venues in acquiring talents and taking risks and not signing known inflated FA to prop a team that is clearly not a contender in 13 or 14.

  • blake

    I love when Hal pretends like he knows who the prospects are…..go get them Killer Bs!

    • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

      He might know them by name but it’s more important that he trust his scouts, etc in their assessments.

      • blake

        Hal asks Cashman which prospects he should name drop before an interview

        • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

          Even so.

    • Austinmac

      I love when Hal calls the shots on trading. Brilliant baseball mind.

      • Wkamm

        His dad was so much different. And a man of his word.

        “ We plan absentee ownership as far as running the Yankees is concerned. We’re not going to pretend we’re something we aren’t. I’ll stick to building ships.”

        – Steinbrenner on the day he bought the team.

        • Austinmac

          So, you approve?

  • blake

    Who could have we traded for that would have prevented Tex, Ellsbury, Gardner, and Arod from sucking the last 2 weeks and would have kept Toronto from going 14-1 ? We needed that player

    • HoopDreams

      Beating a dead horse here, but I still think a Prado trade would’ve been good. He’s better than Drew and Ryan, hes versatile…and they are paying him anyways.

      • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

        This team needs an infusion not a bit player like Prado.

        • HoopDreams

          Don’t know who that would be, but Prado would add depth to the bottom of the order. A 7-9 of Headley/Prado/Didi? that’s awesome.

          • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

            They have their eyes on bigger things.

            • Austinmac

              Like what?

              • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

                1st off they are banking on their youth like never before.
                I can see a FA pitcher in the OS.

                • HoopDreams

                  Lower tier guy? I think they address things through trades, could see Sanchez and a Brady Lail/Refsnyder type on the move.

      • Some Asshole

        I still like the idea of Prado, but at the same time, I don’t know what moves Miami’s needle on a deal.

        • HoopDreams

          Word is they want a lot for him, which is….stupid.

          • Some Asshole

            It’s my fault. I misplaced the force trade button.

            • HoopDreams

              Find some generic white guy in the system and tape Peter O Brien on their forehead

          • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

            They all wanted a lot. That’s why there were no deals.

        • Centaur Hips

          Probably something equivalent to what they think Eo is.

          • HoopDreams

            So a Mitchell? no way Im doing that.

            • Centaur Hips

              I think Mitchell is probably a step or 2 below Eo, but has the has more control over him so I’m not sure if they’d do that. I wish the Dbacks still had him lol.

              • HoopDreams

                Yeah, I just think trading a young hard thrower with a nice breaking ball who’s upside is a good mid rotation guy but his most likely landing spot (floor) is a damn good reliever who keeps guys off balance. Prado is on the downside, but still is better than what we got.

                • Centaur Hips

                  Yeah he’s not a huge upgrade, although it would be nice to have him next year unless they finally plan on playing Ref. It doesn’t seem like they’re big on him though.

                  • HoopDreams

                    I could see Ref getting traded this winter in a package for maybe a starter, I don’t know who but nobody saw us getting Eovaldi.

      • Deep Thoughts

        Drew the last 28 days: .226 / .255 / .415 / .670
        Prado the last 28 days: .266 / .324 / .309 / .632

        Does not move the needle enough to warrant trading anyone but DFA fodder.

        • HoopDreams

          Yeah your right, probably. But at least Prado still hits lefties well. Another right handed bat would’ve helped too.

    • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

      Exactly. Novice fans don’t understand this. Even/esp. older fans. I don’t get it.

  • Alex E

    Glad to see Bird getting a chance. He’s starting at first and batting seventh tonight. Also related to the deadline, a lot of people are saying that the blue jays made the best deals. I disagree. I believe the Astros dominated the deadline. Thoughts?

    • Rick

      I think the Royals have an argument to have had one of the better deadlines as well

      • PsychoticMustacheMasher

        I think the Royals gave up a lot, but in terms of getting the best “missing pieces” I think the Royals had the best deadline. They got their ace and 2B to really give them a complete team

        • nyjchris

          They were much closer (to a true WS contender) than us which is why it made sense that they really went for it, and we didn’t

    • Austinmac

      Jays with Tulo, Price and Revere. Their record tells you how it helps them on the field and in confidence level.

  • Douglas Rau

    “Didn’t want to trade them for a loner, someone we’d have for only 3 months”…..I wonder what Hal would have had to say about Hamels, who would have been around for a few years. Would he have parted with one of them, surrounded by lesser pieces?

    • Rick

      Obviously depends who would have had to go to get him. The early things I’ve seen from Sevvy Baby have me happy he wasn’t packaged for Cole

      • RetroRob

        I’m quite sure if the Yankees had traded Severino for Price (which seems unlikely since the Tigers preferred Norris) or Cueto, the Yankees would still be in a five game losing streak. It’s their hitting.

        • Rick

          No argument there.

          • RetroRob

            Worse, can you imagine the arguments here if they still were in a five game losing streak, lost first place, while losing their best prospect. The ledge-jumpers would be three deep.

            • Some Asshole

              At some point, if someone is that willing to kill themselves, let them.

              • RetroRob

                Well, ummm, yeah, I don’t think any of us would shed a tear if the ledge jumpers actually did jump and disappeared. The problem is they keep reappearing while adding nothing of value.

                • Some Asshole

                  They know where the force trade button is and they’ve figured out the code for unlimited lives?

                  Time to unplug the console.

                  • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

                    I want justice.
                    That’s not justice?
                    That’s street justice.
                    So?
                    Let them kill each other?
                    God willing.
                    Fuck them! Everybody looking like them.
                    Reality is, the good guys…
                    …they die first. The school kids and moms…
                    …family men, don’t want to catch any bullets.
                    To protect the sheep, you got to catch the wolf.

        • Beauee

          Agreed, but I still think they need pitching for the stretch run.

          • RetroRob

            And agreed too. It sucks right now, but the Yankees were blazing hot and unfortunately hit a slump (which, once again, amounts to all of a five game losing streak) at the point when the Blue Jays have gone on an 11 game win streak. Neither team is performing at their expectations. One is exceeding and one is not. The battle is still to be fought.

            They will need pitching, especially since I do believe Severino is on an innings count. I suspect their plan is to turn the ball back over to Pineda come September and either shut down Severino or send him to the pen. Either way, I think they need another starter. They’re taking a risk.

      • Beauee

        Yeah, I was on the fence when it came to Hamels for Severino. Still am. However, I love what I have seen from Severino so far; he’s definitely exciting.

        • RetroRob

          I absolutely would have traded Severino for Hamels. I wouldn’t for Price. I believe that was definitely a money decision by Hal. I’ll be happy with Severino in the rotation next year, though, but we’ll have to see how the remainder of this year goes.

          • Beauee

            Yeah, wouldn’t have trade him for Price. I was really hoping they could have avoided trading him all together and pick up a guy like Kazmir, who has great numbers, but wouldn’t cost a lot.

            • nyjchris

              Kazmir was the first to go and Houston got a good deal on him compared to the other pitchers I believe. I would’ve liked him too

    • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

      He could be a loner, just not a loaner.

  • Pat M

    If Hal was so committed to the rebuilding the organization from the farm up then he should have traded Cano Granderson and even Hughes when he had no intent to resigning them. Just think what they woukd have fetched in return.

    • Rick

      The only one that really would have returned anything of value was Cano. They made every effort in the world to re-sign Cano though, so it’s completely understandable why they didn’t trade him.

      • Walter Sobchak – Vietnam Vet

        If only Cano were a free agent and could have signed with anyone regardless of whether he was traded or not…………………………………

    • Walter Sobchak – Vietnam Vet

      Completely agree. This organization moves the goal posts so much it’s hard to figure out what they’re thinking. They never fully commit to one path

      • Pat M

        No one at the helm

      • Rick

        How have they at all deviated from the path they’ve stated they were on for the last 3 seasons? It’s always been “build the farm, try to win now.” Unfortunately they got into such a bad predicament with a lot of their stars declining at once in performance but with the same salary, that it’s made the win now part difficult.

        • Walter Sobchak – Vietnam Vet

          Unfortunately, “build the farm, try to win now” are two conflicting ideas, at least if you want to do it effectively.

          And as for deviating from a path… Is that a serious remark? They change their stance season to season. No one’s untouchable, now everyone’s untouchable. They want to get under the cap… oh wait scratch that lets blow through the cap and sign Tanaka and Ellsbury and Beltran to contracts that range from ridiculous to borderline ridiculous. Now they want to get under the cap again. Build the farm but do it without trading Gardner, Kuroda, Cano when you’re out of the race but trying to fake like you’re in the race… I don’t get it, personally. Maybe that’s just me.

          • nyjchris

            You don’t need to go into a full rebuild or spend, spend, spend everywhere. There’s a logical middle ground and I think Hal and Brian have done a pretty good job finding it.

            • Walter Sobchak – Vietnam Vet

              Oh you think so? Missing the postseason even with an added wild card is doing a good job finding that middle ground? In my opinion, the only thing they’ve accomplished with their indecisiveness is become a “middle ground” organization. Not terrible but not great either. And that is a direct consequence of not committing to a particular path

              But of course my opinions aren’t valid and to express that someone will post an ambiguous video in a “look at me” attempt to seem humorous and I gotta tell you that is as great as it gets

          • Deep Thoughts
            • Walter Sobchak – Vietnam Vet

              Right…

          • Some Asshole

            They apparently had this ridiculous fantasy that they could get under the 189 number when so many of the contracts that made up most of that number were not due to expire for several years. Either way, they were stuck and they maybe realized that. Things are still looking relatively okay long-term wise.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            You can build a farm system while contending. I don’t think those two things are mutually exclusive. At all.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            You can build a farm system while contending. I don’t think those two things are mutually exclusive. At all.

    • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

      They would have signed him if JZ didn’t step in.

    • Beauee

      Apparently the Rangers were willing to part with their big prospects for Cano. I always though that was a missed opportunity (given the fact that they were so adamant about reducing payroll).

      • Rick

        And what would Jurickson Profar have done for us since his arrival?

        • Beauee

          It probably would have more likely have been a Odor or Gallo given the fact that Profar was the number prospect in the country at that time, and I doubt they would have given him up for a rental.

        • Walter Sobchak – Vietnam Vet

          The very least it would have done is deepen a farm system that would have made trading for an upgrade in the future more bearable.

    • Some Asshole

      What would either an injured Granderson or 2013 Phil Hughes have brought back?

      • dave_8

        And we knew for sure that Cano wouldn’t resign? I know everyone was expecting Seattle to step in and give him that contract. Right. Without them, that 7 yr deal might’ve been it.

        • Some Asshole

          To be fair, this was before I started commenting here, but I do recall some folks here wanting to trade Cano in 2013. Mind you, a lot of that was on the Jon Lester plan, i.e. sign him to a new contract when he hits free agency and you get to keep your trade returns.

          • dave_8

            The point is the same. The Yankees made him a real offer. He was their best player. People are taking Hal’s comment way too far. It’s always a balancing act. You rebuild the farm, resign certain guys, let others go, all while still trying to win it all. It’s difficult but you can’t intentionally take seasons off when you’re the Yankees.

        • Some Asshole

          To be fair, this was before I started commenting here, but I do recall some folks here wanting to trade Cano in 2013. Mind you, a lot of that was on the Jon Lester plan, i.e. sign him to a new contract when he hits free agency and you get to keep your trade returns.

      • dave_8

        And we knew for sure that Cano wouldn’t resign? I know everyone was expecting Seattle to step in and give him that contract. Right. Without them, that 7 yr deal might’ve been it.

    • RetroRob

      Pat, I’ll take a guess. In the case of Cano, I do think they wanted him back. Their seven-year, $175 MM had the highest AAV any team offered him. It’s still higher than the Mariners deal, but for fewer years. I believe they would have gone to 8/200 but were waiting for Cano’s team to come to the table to say “let’s do a deal,” or they were waiting for some other team in the market to make another offer to Cano (the Yankees offer was the best out there) which they could counter. The Mariners knew that if they made an 8/200 offer there was a high likelihood the Yankees would have matched it, so they had to basically blow any potential Yankees offer out of the water. The Mariners desperately wanted Cano, and the Yankees wisely passed once the years and numbers reached that level. My guess is the Yankees were very surprised when the Mariners stepped in to that level.

      As for Granderson, they seem to have a strategy where they let some players reach FA with the goal of offering them a QO. That allows them to either sign another free agent they like more without losing a draft pick, or in some cases allows them to collect multiple draft picks. That’s how they ended up with the Jags/Judge/Clarkin draft. They did it again this offseason by letting D-Rob walk, getting another draft pick in the process, while replacing D-Rob with Miller at a lower price. I would have been happy with D-Rob, Miller and Betances in the pen, but I can see the strategy.

      Hughes is more the head scratcher. I’d have to go back and look at his final year since it’s all foggy now, but I believe they probably also wanted to extend him a QO, but he absolutely collapsed the last two months, losing all value.

      • dave_8

        I dont think Hughes was a head scratcher. There was still belief that he could turn it around. And it’s not like they didn’t need pitching. But like you say, by the time you’d dump him off, he was worthless. I think the Yankees were hoping for some walk year carrot chasing by Hughes — but even that didn’t turn him around. Even as FA there wasn’t any buzz surrounding him. Even Phil said he was surprised that the Twins offered a multi-yr deal. I bet they regret that new extension now. Old Phil is back with his league-leading hits and HRs allowed — and DL stint, phantom or not.

        • Some Asshole

          Minnesota gave him a ton of money. Seems like every time they finally decide to commit to a free agent, they blow it.

      • dave_8

        I dont think Hughes was a head scratcher. There was still belief that he could turn it around. And it’s not like they didn’t need pitching. But like you say, by the time you’d dump him off, he was worthless. I think the Yankees were hoping for some walk year carrot chasing by Hughes — but even that didn’t turn him around. Even as FA there wasn’t any buzz surrounding him. Even Phil said he was surprised that the Twins offered a multi-yr deal. I bet they regret that new extension now. Old Phil is back with his league-leading hits and HRs allowed — and DL stint, phantom or not.

    • RetroRob

      Pat, I’ll take a guess. In the case of Cano, I do think they wanted him back. Their seven-year, $175 MM had the highest AAV any team offered him. It’s still higher than the Mariners deal, but for fewer years. I believe they would have gone to 8/200 but were waiting for Cano’s team to come to the table to say “let’s do a deal,” or they were waiting for some other team in the market to make another offer to Cano (the Yankees offer was the best out there) which they could counter. The Mariners knew that if they made an 8/200 offer there was a high likelihood the Yankees would have matched it, so they had to basically blow any potential Yankees offer out of the water. The Mariners desperately wanted Cano, and the Yankees wisely passed once the years and numbers reached that level. My guess is the Yankees were very surprised when the Mariners stepped in to that level.

      As for Granderson, they seem to have a strategy where they let some players reach FA with the goal of offering them a QO. That allows them to either sign another free agent they like more without losing a draft pick, or in some cases allows them to collect multiple draft picks. That’s how they ended up with the Jags/Judge/Clarkin draft. They did it again this offseason by letting D-Rob walk, getting another draft pick in the process, while replacing D-Rob with Miller at a lower price. I would have been happy with D-Rob, Miller and Betances in the pen, but I can see the strategy.

      Hughes is more the head scratcher. I’d have to go back and look at his final year since it’s all foggy now, but I believe they probably also wanted to extend him a QO, but he absolutely collapsed the last two months, losing all value.

  • grandedan

    “It never bothered me that people talked about us when we were in that position,” Steinbrenner said. “I think what bothered me more was that we were in that position. I always felt and still feel that you don’t have to be in that position to win world championships. Now that we’ve got all this young talent that’s very close, I think it’s going to make it easier to do some things with the payroll here in years to come.”

    ———-

    This is from the linked article above. A similar quote appeared in yesterday’s Post story but it was connected to a question about the Yankees’ historically high payroll. This quote then makes it seem like Hal intends to use his new found prospects to reduce payroll.

    Obviously, actions speak louder than words. Hal has been talking about reducing payroll and getting under the luxury tax for some time. He’s reduced payroll in relative terms for several years now. Will he start reducing payroll in actual terms soon? I think that would be a huge mistake. In a couple years, the roster is going to be devoid of some it’s biggest bats this year while the Ellsbury wave gets older still.

    Stay tuned.

    • Austinmac

      He absolutely intends to lower the payroll. One or more of our prospects better be an all star calibre player or it will not be pretty. The scariest thing is he is the one deciding who can’t be traded.

      • grandedan

        Moncada could have helped him there, well but you know. . . .

    • Pete22

      New CBA will likely have a much higher tax threshold. Its not the absolute dollars he wants to reduce, its getting under the threshold and avoiding the tax and collecting revenue sharing rebates. Any good businessman would want to do so so longer as they don’t hurt revenues too much

      • Austinmac

        Color me silly, but I would like winning to be the reason for acting and not the balance sheet. I believe owning a team has an element of public trust, particularly when the team has the largest income.

      • grandedan

        People keep talking about that but even if it’s raised to say $210MM, he’s still going to have to get the payroll below $200MM to get the benefit. That’s not going to be so easy to do, even with some big contracts coming off the books. I think he knows that and that’s why he’s talking up the prospects. Probably also explains why Scherzer was never seriously considered.

        Well now you have to play these guys. And you can’t expect their best performance to show up immediately. That itself takes 2-3 years. Should have started last year.

  • HoopDreams

    Of all the top prospects Id move Mateo for the right price, non pun intended. Just because he’s a ways away. And maybe Sanchez.

    • Rick

      I still think Sanchez is going to be the best of all the position players in the farm. Have really high hopes for him – I think the bat is special.

      • HoopDreams

        Yeah that may be true, but where does he play? of all the guys I like Bird the most. Hard to teach discipline and that OBP he’s always had is sexy.

        • Beauee

          Yeah Sanchez is blocked. He might be nice trade bait this winter.

        • Rick

          Fair question. I’d leave him at catcher – I understand he’s blocked, but I don’t think McCann will be the catcher long after Tex’s contract ends. I think he’ll be a 1B/DH kinda guy

          • HoopDreams

            I assume you move Murphy in this scenerio, or split time with Sanchez.

    • LazerTown

      Sure he is far away, but that doesn’t really make it a big deal. And he is hitting pretty good in Tampa, so it’s not like it’s DSL numbers. High bust rate, but he and Judge probably have the absolute highest ceiling of anyone still in the minors.

      • Deep Thoughts

        Well exactly. Hal’s point is that trading top prospects who have made it to AAA and are knocking on the door is different from trading top prospects at the lower levels. That’s why the “Mateo is untouchable” sounded like B.S. I certainly can’t complain if ownership doesn’t want to trade MLB-ready top prospects for rentals, especially if those rentals aren’t at a position of dire need, i.e. 2B.

      • HoopDreams

        Mateo will probably make the majors just on his elite speed tool alone. It’s just whether or not he can get on base enough to utilize it consistently.

  • Pete22

    This slump is all about 1-5 in the order. No deadline move prevents that. I thought there biggest need was an ace, but that was mainly for the post season. A playoff spot looked/looks pretty certain.

    However, if they don’t reverse course pronto, even a WC spot might be at risk.

    Still plenty of baseball, but they can fall further as well as climb back on top of the division. Its not about talent at this point, its about how well they play.

    BTW, don’t rule out a waiver deal. What they want and what is available I can’t say, but if one of the guys looks to be banged up with an injury that could linger the rest of the season (Ellsbury, Miller, ??), they might want to do something. 2B could be upgraded too. Maybe Cano?

    • nyjchris

      Agree with everything assuming “Maybe Cano” was a joke.

  • Beauee

    This is why it is so hard to evaluate Cashman as a GM. For the most part, I thought it was his decision to make the “Untouchables” untouchable, and here we find out that it was an order coming from Hal.

    • blake

      Hal has his nose in everything ….just the opposite of the way George used to.

      • Some Asshole

        IETC

      • Wkamm

        Exactly. Plus George kept his word.

        “ We plan absentee ownership as far as running the Yankees is concerned. We’re not going to pretend we’re something we aren’t. I’ll stick to building ships.”

        – George Steinbrenner on the day he bought the team.

        • Pat M

          ” Hey kid you want to be a major league baseball player for the NY Yankees ??? Lose thr bucking hair ” Spring training 1973.

          • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

            He told Pinella to walk across the swimming pool water if he wanted to wear it long.

          • Deep Thoughts

            Now are you guys beginning to understand why Hal’s hair has to be picture-fucking-perfect all the time? He’s probably had a complex about this since he was 3 years old.

          • Wkamm

            I had completely forgotten him using a 2nd round pick in 1981 on John Elway until I saw an old ESPN show the other day.

            • Deep Thoughts

              !!

              • Wkamm

                6 picks ahead of Gwynn, but a lot of other teams passed on Gwynn.

              • Wkamm

                Of course the Yankees didn’t have a 1st round pick that year. Padres/Dave Winfield.
                So essentially he used their 1st pick in the draft on a guy that everyone else knew was going to play football.

                • Deep Thoughts

                  #BillBergeschFailed

                  • Wkamm

                    Wouldn’t say that. Just that the 1st pick they did have (2nd round) was used on a bauble.

              • Wkamm

                Of course the Yankees didn’t have a 1st round pick that year. Padres/Dave Winfield.
                So essentially he used their 1st pick in the draft on a guy that everyone else knew was going to play football.

    • Pete22

      All GM’s take direction from ownership. Not a single GM is totally independent

      • Deep Thoughts

        Except Tony LaRussa #DBacksNation

        • LazerTown

          He not even the GM.

          Dave “Let’s build a team around a closer” Stewart is.

          • https://www.flickr.com/photos/roadgeek/ Roadgeek Adam

            There’s an understatement. Building a team around Addison Reed…lol

            • LazerTown

              He was going hard after Aroldis.

              • https://www.flickr.com/photos/roadgeek/ Roadgeek Adam

                Yeah I know. But only Goldschmidt was worth a donkey’s dime on that team.

          • Deep Thoughts

            Ha! I was going to say “Mike Scioscia.” Maybe I’ll pull a Teix and take the rest of the day off.

    • Beauee

      Also, I had no idea Hal was that into his minor leaguers. He knows who Pazos is? Never would have thought so.

      • cashmoney

        haha, I thought it was funny, out of an army of relief corp in AAA, he named Pazos and others. my guess is Hal got stoned and can’t remember the other six names Cashman left on blunt paper for him.

    • Centaur Hips

      I wouldn’t necessarily call it an order from Hal, I doubt he wants to miss the postseason the 3rd straight year. As for Cash, well to be honest he’s usually pretty handcuffed with their roster so it’s tough to see what options they have on the table at times. Never have had flexible options which is somewhat his own fault.

  • bruce

    JS HR call “Bye-Bye Birdie!! “The Bird is the word!”

  • Pat M

    Mike..Have you heard anything about Ellsbury’s shoulder that he banged into tge C.F. wall in Texas a few weeks ago. Everybody talks about his knee but watching him swing it looks like he’s favoring h juju s left shoulder.

    • Pete22

      This is a good point. Was it the right or the left? I remember in Boston he dislocated his right shoulder after 2011. Such dislocations are frequently associated with labrum tears which never really heal. Never saw that 2011 power again. If he reinjured that shoulder dats a problem.

      However, he does not seem to be running very well, so I suspect the knee is also an issue

      • LazerTown

        That 2011 power wasn’t going to repeat regardless. That year was just an extreme outlier. He didn’t have the batted ball data to back that up.

    • n0exit

      JG has repeatedly said he is not injured. He has done the same. Pentland said he was swinging too much with upper body so they made some adjustments. Let’s see what happens.. Don’t expect it to be some kind of magic solution.

  • Centaur Hips

    Hal was obviously scarred by the Drew trade and losing KJ. Still hasn’t recovered.

  • HoopDreams

    Yankees lineup at CLE: Ellsbury cf Gardner lf Rodriguez dh Beltran rf McCann c Headley 3b Bird 1b Gregorius ss Drew 2b Eovaldi p

    • Pete22

      I suggested yesterday that Joe should give Tex and Arod the day off. He only half listens that boy.

      Seriously though, the fact its Tex and not Arod is ominous. Something wrong with Tex? Just had 2 off days in the last 10 days (last one Monday).

      Could Bird be being showcased for a waiver deal?. Despite what Hal said, the thinking may have changed with a 8 game lead gone in a whiff of smoke (now down 1 game)

      • LazerTown

        So he is being showcased for a deal in which he wouldn’t be eligible to be a part of because he is now on the 40 man?

        • Pete22

          Yes he would, he would just be a PTBNL

    • http://yankeecanada.com/ robertg

      friggin Drew at 2b again. We have to agonize through his weak at bats again. it never stops and we’ve been suffering through this for almost 2 years now

  • LazerTown

    Was a good decision.

    Trading the prospects for the rentals makes you better this year, but that’s it. It makes your competition stronger for the 6+ years after that, and makes you weaker. I’m happy he has the big picture in mind. It hurts when you are flipping over to this gameplan, but once they fully have it realized this team will be much better off year in and year out than trading them for the rental.

    • http://yankeecanada.com/ robertg

      only makes you strong if the prospects become what you’re hoping they’ll become and if they don’t suffer serious injury along the way. You can’t have all prospects on the team. There needs to be a good mix and blend. Look at the Jays. They have a few young guys in the lineup but they have a good mix of veterans as well.

      • LazerTown

        And the Jays have done what exactly?
        The Jays are not a great example of anything really. A good model team is someone that stays a contender every year. The Jays have a good team this year, but I don’t think there is any lesson to be learned there.

        • http://yankeecanada.com/ robertg

          And how have we been doing the past 2 years? What are we an example of lately? Never mind going back to the distant past. And you don’t know how long the jays will be a contender after this year

          • Tom

            No, but their GM is pretty much a goner so he has nothing to lose and the team hasn’t gone to the postseason in over 20 years so he is going all in and hoping this is the year for them. It could work.

            • http://yankeecanada.com/ robertg

              but most of their core are still going to be there next year so we can’t write them off as 1 year wonders like some are doing because they went all in at the deadline. Stroman is on his way back and he was really their #1 prospect

          • LazerTown

            Jays are losing Buehrle, Dickey, and Price after this year. Bautista and EE are only locked up through next year, so I really doubt their window is that big. They traded most of their farm to put this team together.

            This team hasn’t really had the prospects either the last 2 years.

            • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

              People can’t see past today some times.

            • http://yankeecanada.com/ robertg

              no you don’t know that. Dickey likes it in Toronto and if they win the WS this year which they are touted as doing, Dickey might sign an extension. there is no guarantee they won’t sign Price to an extension after this season. You don’t know that.

              • John

                Uhh unless he is willing to sign for peanuts. They are not giving Price Scherzer money.

                • http://yankeecanada.com/ robertg

                  how do you know what they’re going to do. Noone ever thought they’d get Tulo and pay the money they paid him. No one ever thought they’d get Price. Everyone said it would be a big market team with lots of money. The management is willing to spend a lot more these days than they would have years ago. They have owners with deeper pockets. They still don’t want to sign contracts beyond 5 years so that might eliminate them from the Price sweepstakes it’s hard to say.

              • Some Asshole

                They are touted as winning the World Series? They should play the games first.

                • http://yankeecanada.com/ robertg

                  now the favourites supposedly

                  • Some Asshole

                    Don’t mean shit in August.

                    • http://yankeecanada.com/ robertg

                      I’m just repeating what the baseball world is saying

                    • Some Asshole

                      Groupthink is often wrong. But, hey, we shall see.

              • LazerTown

                Jays have never shown a willingness to get in these big free agent contracts. They have many guys signed at below market rates, so I doubt everyone comes back.

              • LazerTown

                Jays have never shown a willingness to get in these big free agent contracts. They have many guys signed at below market rates, so I doubt everyone comes back.

        • John

          Exactly. Ppl are crazy. The only team that does this is the Cardinals. And boy are they good. Besides them no one else

      • Some Asshole

        And when they win something, I’ll say you’re right.

      • LazerTown

        As long as the prospects are decent it’s right move. Teams make these trades because the expectation is that they come out ahead in the long run.

        • Some Asshole

          You cray.

    • D$

      For years Yankees fans have been wanting a bit of a different path. It’s here. People are whining. It happens.

      I like the moves. Hopefully they worked.

    • Deep Thoughts

      I thought at first you wrote “flipping over to this gamelan” but that didn’t make much sense. I think I need new glasses.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1AiCTJ9t8g

      • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

        Cue the old man jokes.

      • Walter Sobchak – Vietnam Vet

        Post those YouTube videos!! Hell YES what a hot take

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Yup, and what were people bitching about for the better part of a decade: no long term plan.

      Bitches gon bitch.

    • The Original Drew

      I think it’s a solid plan to not trade away your top guys but it shouldn’t be at the cost of your present. Not all prospects are meant to be kept. There is a right balance between complete prospect hugging and the putting all your chips in the middle of the table for just 2015. We have seen the extremes in the last decade or so but I think there is a nice middle ground that the Yankees should explore. This is coming from someone who has zero idea how the front office is actually run but this is just a general perception.

    • The Original Drew

      I think it’s a solid plan to not trade away your top guys but it shouldn’t be at the cost of your present. Not all prospects are meant to be kept. There is a right balance between complete prospect hugging and the putting all your chips in the middle of the table for just 2015. We have seen the extremes in the last decade or so but I think there is a nice middle ground that the Yankees should explore. This is coming from someone who has zero idea how the front office is actually run but this is just a general perception.

  • LazerTown

    I was reading the comments, and I really found them enjoyable.

    2 Weeks ago people were clamoring to trade the farm for Price, today people are talking about trading Nova because they have excess pitching. Who would have guessed?

    • RetroRob

      Excess pitching? They’ll need more pitching before this season is done!

    • Some Asshole

      And what kind of magic beans are the Yankees going to get for Nova, anyway?

    • Some Asshole

      And what kind of magic beans are the Yankees going to get for Nova, anyway?

  • Pete22

    Hitting streaks are like typhoons, they only last about 2 weeks and finish with a flurry before petering out. There are signs the Blue Jays have cooled off. Needed a 3 run HR from Goins to beat the A;s today. No hits by Encarnacion, Tulo, Bautista or Dinaldson, although the first 2 did not play

  • BUDDHABING0

    Hey Hal how good a prospect could Refsnyder be if he can’t beat out Drew?

  • PsychoticMustacheMasher

    I just traded for Correa in MLB The Show without giving up any good prospects.. Why haven’t the Yankees done that yet?? Sure I had “force trades” turned on, but still..

    • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

      You live in a world of fantasy.

      • PsychoticMustacheMasher

        Damn..

    • Centaur Hips

      I just simmed a whole the show season with updated rosters. Didi and Beltran were the only guys to surpass expectations offensively just like now in real life lol. Arod and Tex were solid too. CC had a solid season and Eo was good but the pen was a big disappoint along with Nova. Finished .500 and choked falling out of a WC. Jays were a wrecking ball, it felt like they swept the Yanks every time. Won around 100 I think.

  • blake

    I was hoping Bird would play 2b

    • PsychoticMustacheMasher

      I was hoping CC would play Defensive Tackle, but he hasn’t played there in his career, so he would probably suck at it

      • Some Asshole

        It’s not that hard. I did it. In high school.

    • LazerTown

      Oh… Oh… So my plan caught on?

  • John

    So bird is at 1st tonight with Arod at dh.

  • yanksgoyanks

    I think this is bullshit. They brought up Bird and slot him right in the 7th slot and when Refsnyder was here, he was buried away in the 9th spot. What’s the difference between the two this year anyways? really nothing based on their minor league spots but Hals political stroke of Bird will lend him longer service time.

    • Deep Thoughts
      • vwnut13

        I had a high school math teacher ask if I wanted to join Mathletes.

        I laughed.

        • Some Asshole

          Their pole vault event is very interesting.

        • TheEvilUmpire

          But… But… I thought all the cool kids were in Mathletes? DAMN YOU, MRS. GASKO!

    • D$

      .070 points in slugging percentage….
      .020 points in batting average….

    • Some Asshole

      You are finding some obscure shit to bitch about.

    • Some Asshole

      You are finding some obscure shit to bitch about.

    • 461deep

      Refs got short thrift big time. Every other position player call up were given longer chances. Bring him up or trade him as he is MLB ready despite the sorry defense is poor B5.

    • Too Many Idiots
  • grandedan

    If you are going to make prospects a major part of your business plan you have to play therm. And you can’t expect their best performance for at least two to three years. That means you have to live with some growing pains. Look at Didi. He’s looking like he’s turning into an above average player right now but it hasn’t happened overnight. It takes two to three years for most prospects.

    Which of course brings us to Refsynder and Drew. Refsynder should have gotten a cup of coffee last Sept and been playing 2b by this April full time. Would there have been some bumps in the road? Of course but that’s part of the territory-part of a real youth integration plan. Fangraphs had Refsynder projected as a 1.9 WAR guy coming into the season. He was one of the highest ranked young players that they reviewed. Wouldn’t 1.9 WAR at 2b look pretty good now?

    But instead it’s been another year of Roberts except the name this time is Drew. And another year away from player like Ref being a positive contributor. If youth is the answer there needs to be a better commitment. Let see how it goes now with Bird.

    • Pete22

      Projections for prospects don’t amount to much. I do think Ref should be the starting 2Bman in 2016, but them trading for Ackley blew me away and suggests they are not really that high on him

      Like you say, you have to be really patient with them, and play them every day. Even guys who turn out well can look real bad their first couple of months, heck, even couple of years. Development continues, even in the MLB. It works the other way too, a guy starts off hot but then regresses to replacement level. Sometimes they bust, either way

      • grandedan

        I agree with you on projections. Unless you are talking about major leaguers with an established baseline like Gardner and Ellsbury, projections are highly speculative. But I raised the projection point as a basis to argue that there was at least some prima facie evidence that warranted a real major league audition for Ref. 200 ABs. That’s what it takes at least.

        And I agree with you completely on development on the major league level. The examples are almost too numerous to list.

    • Pete22

      Projections for prospects don’t amount to much. I do think Ref should be the starting 2Bman in 2016, but them trading for Ackley blew me away and suggests they are not really that high on him

      Like you say, you have to be really patient with them, and play them every day. Even guys who turn out well can look real bad their first couple of months, heck, even couple of years. Development continues, even in the MLB. It works the other way too, a guy starts off hot but then regresses to replacement level. Sometimes they bust, either way

    • imadominiCAN

      agree 1000%. It’s beyond comprehension to me that they keep sending Drew out there or even Ryan for that matter. Ref should have been playing since May and if he struggled then, you could have made a move for a 2B at the deadline if the oppt presented itself. I just don’t understand how they keep sending Drew out there and trying to justify cuz he has 13 homeruns and plays decent defense. Look at how terrible Daniel Murphy is at 2B for the Mets, but he had value because he could hit. Give credit to Omar and the Mets for sticking with him. He’s a very good hitter, probably a left handed version of what Ref could turn out to be. But we won’t know unless they give him a chance to play.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    I agree with Hal’s overall sentiment but come on, Mike, you’re totally trolling us by throwing Pazos in there.

    JAMES PAZOS: UNTOUCHABLE.

    • Preston

      I don’t think that’s what the quote is saying. He’s listing the names of players at AAA who, in his opinion, are ready to help the team now.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Damnit, Preston, just roll with it.

        • Sir Didi Nakamura

          Preston takes all the fun narratives and crushes them with logic. He’s a villain.

        • Sir Didi Nakamura

          Preston takes all the fun narratives and crushes them with logic. He’s a villain.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Damnit, Preston, just roll with it.

    • TheEvilUmpire

      Gotta give Hal props for knowing of a guy like Pazos.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        “I’ve rely enjoyed the work of Jhalan Jackson.”

        • HoopDreams

          Spanish for Ryan Howard.

        • Wkamm

          I can see Hal being a huge fan of the Jackson Five. But I don’t think Jhalan has carved out that big of a solo career. Nothing like Michael did.

    • http://shhhorsie.com Cheval Anonyme

      I think “Pazos” was a quote from Hal. An interesting insight into who the Yankees’ staff value, and who gets added to the 40 man roster this offseason.

  • n0exit

    It’s a ok position to have, but you don’t need to extend it to guys like Refsnyder, Bird, Wade etc. They’re clearly a level below Judge, Severino.

    • Deep Thoughts

      I’m curious to see Bird. They’ve been talking up his makeup and poise since at least Spring Training. I seem to recall comparisons to Mattingly and Eric Chavez in how he handles his business in the clubhouse and at the plate. Let’s see if that the projectable tool they’re so excited about.

    • Deep Thoughts

      I’m curious to see Bird. They’ve been talking up his makeup and poise since at least Spring Training. I seem to recall comparisons to Mattingly and Eric Chavez in how he handles his business in the clubhouse and at the plate. Let’s see if that the projectable tool they’re so excited about.

    • LazerTown

      Bird proved himself in AAA, and he figures to be an above average player. He probably isn’t a future MVP, but he could be a solid everyday player.

      • Tom

        I guess that’s why some here think he shouldn’t have been untouchable. They want an MVP type player.

      • Tom

        I guess that’s why some here think he shouldn’t have been untouchable. They want an MVP type player.

    • LazerTown

      Bird proved himself in AAA, and he figures to be an above average player. He probably isn’t a future MVP, but he could be a solid everyday player.

    • Pete22

      Some think Bird is the better hitter.

    • Pete22

      Some think Bird is the better hitter.

    • Preston

      I don’t think he did that. But I don’t think teams wanted to trade anything significant for the non Judge/Severino prospects either.

    • Preston

      I don’t think he did that. But I don’t think teams wanted to trade anything significant for the non Judge/Severino prospects either.

    • http://shhhorsie.com Cheval Anonyme

      Disagree about Bird. He’s just a good all-around hitting prospect at a position where this skills are not that rare. He’d be rated higher if he were an outfielder with Gold Glove potential.

      • n0exit

        But he isn’t. He’s a 1Bman. there is arguably 2 or 3 others who could do just as well as him in the system if they were at 1B.

  • grandedan

    Oh, Hal’s got a nice hairline for his age.

    • Kenthadley

      And a nice bank account.

      • cashmoney

        to quote something about Mary “Seeking deaf mute with a 3 pound cock and a trust fund. ” hal is certainly half way there.

        • Some Asshole

          I don’t think he is deaf or mute…so that cock must be nice.

          • cashmoney

            excellent, that’s icing on the cake, he be an excellent candidate for all the tarts in zip code 10028.

            • Some Asshole

              Now I want some 10028 tarts…damn it.

          • Deep Thoughts

            There have been some clubhouse misunderstandings since the assistant hitting coach’s nickname is “The Cockmaster.”

            • Deep Thoughts

              And Pentland leaves notes for hitters on little Post-It pages called “Pentagrams.”

    • Kenthadley

      And a nice bank account.

    • https://www.flickr.com/photos/roadgeek/ Roadgeek Adam

      Looks better than his father did when he bought the Yankees. Nothing political, but am I the only one who thinks that young George and Donald Trump are the same personality.

      • Tom

        Young George is the same as Donald Trump? I don’t think Young George makes politically incorrect statements like the Donald does.

        • Some Asshole

          Nah, he just gets Howie Spira.

        • https://www.flickr.com/photos/roadgeek/ Roadgeek Adam

          I don’t mean politically. I meant, their brashness and tone.

          • Tom

            I wasn’t sure if Young George is George at a younger age or Hal. I guess it’s the former, so maybe there are similarities. I thought you were comparing Hal to Donald.

            • https://www.flickr.com/photos/roadgeek/ Roadgeek Adam

              George was 42 when he bought the team. Hal is now 45

              • Tom

                But Hal took over before he was 40.

      • RetroRob

        George always carried a little extra padding than his son, although we do know that GMS was a very good track hurdler in school, so the father was probably a better athlete. As for personality, George and Donald are probably more alike than not, but I have a hard time comparing George to someone like Trump. Both like to win in their own ways, and I think both understand the value of marketing and being outrageous, but I can’t put the Trump comparison on George! (Also, George and Hal have a much better hairline than whatever is on the Donald’s head.)

        Funny thing is most people assume George was a republican because of the whole Nixon contribution issue that ended up causing his first suspension. That’s probably not true, although it’s murky at best. His family was definitely more old-line democrats, and Ted Kennedy wanted Steinbrenner to be the DNC Chair, a post which George refused, although he did so because he didn’t want to be fully aligned or identified with either party. He was actually a bit pragmatic. He wanted to be associated with the right power brokers because he needed them to vote for his interests, especially when his family ran a shipping business. (I hope in no way this is viewed as a political post. More just recounting history.)

        • https://www.flickr.com/photos/roadgeek/ Roadgeek Adam

          I never saw George has heavily political, but as I noted below, there seems to be similarities, at least to me, in their brashness and tone. Strong businessmen who take no bullshit.

        • http://shhhorsie.com Cheval Anonyme

          I always thought the Nixon thing was more like a shakedown by an Administration that carried a few thugs on the payroll.

        • http://shhhorsie.com Cheval Anonyme

          I always thought the Nixon thing was more like a shakedown by an Administration that carried a few thugs on the payroll.

        • http://shhhorsie.com Cheval Anonyme

          I always thought the Nixon thing was more like a shakedown by an Administration that carried a few thugs on the payroll.

  • grandedan

    Oh, Hal’s got a nice hairline for his age.

  • cashmoney

    oh btw, excited to see Bird tonight! I’d been told he is a not good defender but for some reason i think i heard YES stating bird was named as the best defensive 1b in the eastern league, incongruity. like to see for myself.

    • RetroRob

      They were referring to a Baseball America poll that had him the best-defensive 1B’man in the league. Link below. I wouldn’t put much faith in it. I believe it’s a poll of coaches, which is how Derek Jeter ended up winning so many Gold Gloves. The reports on Bird are he’s not a great defender at 1B, at least at this time. Perhaps he’s improved, but we’re not looking at a Tex-level defender here.

      http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2015-double-best-tools/

    • vwnut13

      And Brett Gardner was named the second best baserunner in the AL by team managers.

      • Adam Rosen

        For a good baseball player he has some of the worst instincts I have ever seen. When he got thrown out on Tuesday night Cone said he got a good jump. If you look at the last two caught stealings his jump is fine, he is just way too close to 1b. I have never seen a Basestealer get a shorter lead. Its so obvious when you watch on TV, I am sure it must be to them. Seems like a simple fix

  • imadominiCAN

    Maybe i’m crazy but I’M HAPPY they didn’t trade away the prospects. This is how you create a passionate fan base by producing your own players and hot buying your hold roster. That 2009 chip did not feel the same as 98-00 and Jeter/posada/pettite were on that team. Maybe all these prospects will fall flat and become nothing but I’m looking forward to watching play and seeing what happens.

    • imadominiCAN

      *not
      *whole
      my damn spelling. anyway ya’ll get my point…i’m all in with the prospects. Hopefully Ref is not too far behind and we’ll see judge next year.

    • Tom

      Those teams also had a lot of players who weren’t from the Yankees system.

      • imadominiCAN

        those were mostly supporting players not the “core” of the team. But I get your point.

        • Tom

          I get what you were saying too. It feels better to win when the core is homegrown.

          • chris hines

            Never understood that argument, winning is winning to me regardless of where the players come from.

  • Some Asshole

    OT, but did anyone else notice me briefly take 15th place today? If I can do it, why can’t the Yankees, damn it?

    • LazerTown

      Your #1 in my heart.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Check your damn league email, son

      • Some Asshole

        When I can cell phone, I will. Damned work firewalls.

    • vin

      I think the Red Sox are MUCH more likely to take 15th place than the Yanks.
      There’s a real dog-fight down in the cellar I see. Unfortunately, I don’t think I have the juice to climb out of 3rd.

  • 461deep

    Team was smug & sitting pretty at trade deadline but not now. No one said gut the farm but Hal wouldn’t let any go. Ballpark is full these days so he likes that, Feel we may see a move now with team slumping. Nice year from most veterans but next year may not be as productive so window (Phillies syndrome ) closing.

    • Centaur Hips

      The whole point of keeping the prospects is to extend the window. When a team is up 7 games there really shouldn’t be too much pressure to add and take away future assets to slightly improve their odds. Now things look different but at the time it was justified.

      • LazerTown

        Still think it’s valid. Jays gave up a lot of long term value to get this year. That makes one less contender in the future.

        • Centaur Hips

          Agree

        • Squats F9er

          They have Donaldson, Tulo Bautista and Encarnacion in the lineup next year, and Donaldson and Tulo for the next several years.

  • Y’s Guy

    I’m not overjoyed that we didn’t get any help at the deadline but I am very happy that we didn’t give up anyone we’d wind up regretting and pretty quickly.

  • Sccrkeepr34

    Was hoping to see DiDi slotted higher in the lineup today.

  • Y’s Guy

    Since last fall I have consistently advocated doing nothing that could adversely affect 2017 and beyond (with the exception of advocating for a Hamels trade).
    They have done that and I’m happy to see it.
    We need to develop a new core to build on and we seem to be in the verge of starting that process.
    I think Hal’s advocacy of ‘the kids’ is as much about 189 as developing a core, but that’s fine with me.
    I realize that we’re risking the unexpected shot we’ve gotten this year but I’m kind of glad that they are focused on the long term.

  • Dave Guarnieri

    2 off-seasons ago, Hal lost Cano and spent like a bandit. He signs McCann–actually I maintain that was a good signing. Stewart was brutal, they saw Cervelli as no more than a back-up plus he had his own PED issues, Sanchez still developing and SKJRM profiled as a back-up. Grossly overpaid Ellsbury. Then Cano signs with Seattle officially and the NEXT DAY he gives Carlos Beltran a 3 year freakin’ deal at $15Mil per. Last but not least he outbids everybody for Tanaka. This was the “Chip off the Old Block Hal”.

    Cashman takes a hit here for bringing in all that money and not addressing a putrid infield, but they spent a ton of money. The team ends up 84-78 & out of the playoffs for the 2nd straight year.

    Hal gets frugal. Why does he get frugal? In part, I think he expected AROD to be banned for life. Clearing that money gets him out of the luxury tax situation. Now he is stuck. Stuck with AROD, stuck with CC, struck with Beltran, struck with Ellsbury.

    So hype the “kids” to the hilt and get everybody juiced about Greg Bird and the other Godly untouchables. So this floats the boat temporarily. We know that half these guys are going to flame out. Why did Refsnyder get a lousy 12 at bats? So after they fail to make the post season again this year, then what is he going to sell? The team most likely.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I’d rather hear what the dog thinks.

    • Dick M

      Selling the team works for me. Get some ownership with a pair.

  • Patrick Batman

    They play tonight, they win tonight. The Bird shall be the word, quote the Raven nevermore.

  • chris hines

    The problem lies in the fact that the overwhelming majority of players bust or fall well short of expectations, obviously you don’t want to gut the farm over and over again and especially on poor decision making but just hoarding prospects and never making big deals is just as bad to me. I mean it would be incredibly foolish to expect this team to have Judge in RF, Bird at 1B, Sanchez at C or DH, Severino in the rotation, and Refsnyder at 2B for the next 6-7 years and have a winning team. Odds suggest you won’t want at least half of those players long term.