Talk about anything and everything here, whenever the hell you want.


  1. Jo3momz says:

    Yankees checked in on Rich Harden. Thoughts?

  2. rbizzler says:

    Neyer linked to this Jonah Keri interview with Jays GM Alex Anthopoulos today and I found it an insightful read. There is nothing really groundbreaking that comes to light, but you do get a sense that the Jays have a plan and are going to continue to be a dangerous team in years to come. With the O’s finally getting some of their young arms to the bigs, the AL Beast is only getting more beastly. Enjoy. (safe)

  3. Esteban says:

    After watching the Jeter press conference, it makes me wonder who the hell was talking to the media. Jeter seemed legitimately pissed about that.

    • Yank the Frank says:

      I think it was the Yankees. Knowing that by making it public Jeter would sign quicker.

      • Esteban says:

        Well, then, maybe Hughesus Christon was right all along in criticizing the Yankees.

        • Zack says:

          Jeter is so pissed, yet he still took their 50m. And so pissed that he’ll still ask for a post-baseball contract once he retires.

          So overblown. People criticize Yankees now, except if hey didn’t say anything Jeter would still be unsigned and asking for 100m a month from now- and people would criticize the Yankees then too.

  4. Kevin G. says:

    Is it just me, or has the off topic button been moved over?

  5. Neil Hollander says:

    I missed the Jeter press conference…any links ?

  6. Rosenthal presents an interesting situation: If the Angels sign Lee, then it’s possible they trade Weaver or Santana. I’d be interested in trying to swing a deal for Weaver. He’s a proven horse (over 210 IP in the past two years), excellent control (2.5 BB/9), and an excellent strikeout rate (8.4 K/9). His only issue is that he allows far too many home runs.


    • FIPster Doofus says:

      Weaver is awesome. If signing Lee means trading Weaver, then the Angels would be better off keeping Weaver and spending their money on Crawford. I don’t see their pitching rotation as an issue. Weaver and Haren are excellent, and Santana and Pineiro are decent enough. Kazmir is horrendous, but a lot of fifth starters are.

    • JobaWockeeZ says:

      Ervin Santana? He doens’t strike out batters with a 6.83 K/9 and he doesn’t get groundballs either with a 35% rate. A flyball pitcher with no stuff to strike people out?

      He can limit walks and eat innings but that’s about it.

    • Accent Shallow says:

      No effin’ way on Weaver. He’s a better pitcher than his brother, but still . . .

  7. Tom Zig says:

    “CC Sabathia said whatever Cliff Lee pulls down won’t lead to the Yankees’ ace exercising an opt out clause in his contract after next year.”

    Source: (SFW)

    I generally believe him, but I’m still waiting for him to say “I will NOT opt out”.

  8. FIPster Doofus says:

    Newest Buster Olney tweet…

    “The Yankees are preparing to zig off Cliff Lee if necessary;Cashman had a long meeting Carl Crawford-related Tuesday;CC may have been there.”

  9. bonestock94 says:

    Today I legitimately miss watching baseball games.

  10. JobaWockeeZ says:

    Hmm the Royals have been specific about what they want for Greinke. It’s probably obvious but they want the demanding positions, along with near major league ready pitching and second base. They’ll take the worst case scenario with Jesus so they probably don’t think of him as a catcher.

    So possibly Romine/Sanchez + Heathcott + Nova/Warren/Noesi + Adams/CoJo and we’ll add Nunez as a throw in?

    Seems like a lot but for Greinke I’d do it.

    • So possibly Romine/Sanchez + Heathcott + Nova/Warren/Noesi + Adams/CoJo and we’ll add Nunez as a throw in?

      Out of those guys, there’s maybe one who’s got high-end potential and he’s so far away that it’s not even worth mentioning yet. I don’t think that package comes close to getting it done, unless you put Montero in the deal.

    • Steve H says:

      When I first read this I saw Romine/Sanchez and read it as Romulo Sanchez (and thought you were nuts). I agree with what Matt said though, if Montero isn’t headlining I think you need at least one Killer B if not more. Even with Montero you’d likely need to include one of the B’s.

  11. Rey22 says:

    Uhhh…Carl Crawford, Red Sox.


  12. Tom Zig says:

    Yankees offer Cliff Lee a 7th year.

    Source: Jon Heyman

    • mbonzo says:

      Yup, I hope Cashman gave him an ultimatum too. Take 7 years by 12pm or its off the table, we know Rangers won’t go there. Also hope they’re getting a bit of a discount on the years now.

    • YankeesJunkie says:

      It is sounding more and more that Lee is going to get an identical deal as Sabathia.

  13. Hughesus Christo says:

    Suggestion for the site: A link back to the home page in the footer. Especially for people on phones.

  14. Tom Zig says:

    1. Sign Cliff Lee
    2. Sign Russel Martin
    3. Sign Pedro Feliciano
    4. If possible re-sign Kerry Wood.

    Looks like #1 should be done soon.

  15. Zack says:

    The Rockies are willing to give Carlos Gonzalez an unprecedented contract for a player with barely two big-league seasons on his resume.

    They would be open to a six- to seven-year deal, the length of which would guarantee Gonzalez in the neighborhood of $100 million, according to owner Dick Monfort.

    That has to be a typo right? Willing to invest 100m before he’s even arbitration eligible? Before he has 2 good full seasons?

    • YankeesJunkie says:

      You hope. The long term deal is one thing, but offering that much money over 6 years especially with 3 arb years is just crazy.

    • JGS says:

      Given the total lack of necessity on the Tulo contract at this point, I have to think all this is coming straight from Monfort. When have contracts that come straight from ownership ever been good things?

      • Zack says:

        Different sport but Brandon Roy comes to mind, pretty sure they knew he had serious knee issues but gave him a max deal anyways.

        Arroyo’s new deal will definitely be one of those, 30m for being the owner’s friend. Konkero to a lesser extent too.

    • FIPster Doofus says:

      To justify that contract, all the Rockies would need to do is play every one of their games at Coors Field.

  16. Zack says:

    And they have added depth to a lineup that will be harsh on right-handers…
    While the Yankees bickered over cab fare with their iconic shortstop, the Red Sox pulled up in a limo and boarded one of the sport’s better players, a 29-year-old version of what the Yankees once were trying to become: more athletic and closer to their prime.

    Remember when the Yankees lineup was “too left hand heavy” last year when they only had 3 true LH hitters (and Cano crushed LHP)? Now the Red Sox have 5 LHB and are the “team to beat.”

    • Steve H says:

      I loved yesterday seeing that the Sox had 3 of 12 left handed hitters with at least 62 (cherry picked number) XBH last year. You know who else had at least 62 XBH? Switch hitters Mark Teixeira and Nick Swisher.

  17. Sweet Dick Willie says:

    So if Cash can get Magglio or Manny on a one year deal, should he do it and have Gardner as the 4th OF?

    Hurts the D (although Ordonez isn’t terrible), but has the potential for a devastating O.

    • Steve H says:

      I love Manny, but hell no.

    • FIPster Doofus says:

      I’d rather have Gardner than either of them nowadays.

      • Sweet Dick Willie says:

        Gardner over Ordonez? Seriously?

        Granted, he missed most of 2010 w/ a broken ankle, but he still managed to put up a 130 OPS+.

        If Cash could get him for ~ $10M on a one year deal, I’d be all over that.

        • Steve H says:

          Garder is a significantly better defender and costs almost nothing. You could do a lot more with $10 million than use it on a poor defender that pushes Gardner to the bench. Even if you wanted to make the argument that Magglio is better than Gardner (I wouldn’t):

          Gardner+$10 million>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Magglio

          • FIPster Doofus says:


            And, SWD, Gardner put up a 123 wRC+ last season despite suffering a wrist injury in June that hindered his offense. So, like Ordonez, he’s quite productive at the plate. But unlike Ordonez, Gardner is inexpensive and brings elite defense and speed.

          • Sweet Dick Willie says:

            Not if he puts up his line from last year (303/378/474) over 400+ ABs.

            And if he put up those #’s, his D wouldn’t be a problem.

            He’s not Manny-bad on D, although you are correct in stating that Gardner is a significantly better defender.

            But since when is a LFs D more important than his O?

            • FIPster Doofus says:

              Maggs is a better offensive player, but he isn’t a big enough upgrade over Gardner in that respect to justify signing him and putting him in LF. Gardner was one of the most valuable players in the AL last season (ninth in fWAR) – largely because of great defense, but also because he was no slouch offensively.

            • The dimensions of YSIII’s LF are pretty big compared to other LFs. You practically need to have two center fielders to cover the area between the gap and the line. Ordonez can’t do that.

            • Steve H says:

              The Yankees offense will be fine, they need pitching. Better defense=better pitching. And Gardner is no slouch at the plate. It’s not like Juan Pierre vs. Maggs.

  18. This gives me hope for a rebound season from Jeter.

    • Zack says:

      But Heyman told me that Jeter’s friend said that Jeter believed that his swing would have been fixed months ago if Don Mattingly was still the hitting coach.

    • Monteroisdinero says:

      I truly hope this will work. Jeter holds the bat high and has alot of movement-down and back-before he is ready to come forward with the bat. This has worked well but perhaps his bat speed has slowed due to age and Long can fix things. He will become a power hitter and hit 35!


  19. Hughesus Christo says:

    I understand not wanting to pay for a re-design or app, but…

    How about adding a link back to the homepage in the footer? Would be much easier to use on a phone.

    • We’re going to look into mobile options this winter. Anyone looking at this on a BlackBerry must be frustrated as hell. But yeah, we’ll have something in place by January.

      • Tom Zig says:

        Anyone looking at this on a BlackBerry must be frustrated as hell.

        It is better on the Blackberry Bold than the old Curve, but it is still kind of tough.

      • jsbrendog (returns) says:

        it isn’t bad on android. not at all.

      • Betty Lizard says:

        It gets frustrating on my iPhone once there are a lot of comments. LoHud has a very good interface on my iPhone. The comments are designed to display the latest page and you can navigate back to the earlier ones. Too bad I don’t have any interest in the comments!

  20. Tom Zig says:

    Glad RAB is back up and running. What happened?

  21. jsbrendog (returns) says:

    •Yankees GM Brian Cashman told Jack Curry of the YES Network that the team dined with Crawford even though they weren’t interested in signing the outfielder. In other words, Cashman says it was a bluff.


  22. Steve H says:

    The whole 7 year contracts never work out thing is starting to bother me. There are a million pitchers that have put together 7-15 good consecutive years. Many of the pitchers who have gotten 7+ years were very flawed in either age or performance. Had Clemens, Unit, Pedro, Maddux, Glavine or any of these guys had signed long term deals they most certainly would have worked out. The 7 year contract isn’t a recipe for disaster based on Barry Zito’s being a disaster. With Lee, because he is 32, there is a huge risk (but one I’m willing to take), but to simply say “7 year contracts for pitchers are bad because they haven’t worked out) is so shortsighted. 7 year contracts to pitchers haven’t worked out because the pitchers they have been given to, not because of the length of the contract itself.

    • Thomas says:

      Agreed, the risk is huge to signing Lee or anyone to a 7 year deal, but basing the decision entirely on the results of other (often different pitcher) is poor thinking.

      Also, when looking at past contracts, it is important to remember it just takes one team to offer that contract.

      For example, when Santana was closing in one FA (right before his trade), ESPN was saying pretty much every team would have wanted to sign him for 5-7 at $20+M (in other words a large deal), but most teams couldn’t afford it. Conversely, when Zito and got his big deal from the Giants, essentially no other teams were really in on him and many didn’t see him as an ace at all (they would have given him a Pavano-esque deal, not a Sabathia/Johan deal). It just took the Giants’ big offer to him (a player undeserving of the offer) to put him on the “7-year pitching deals fail” list.

  23. Zack says:

    I don’t know how many people here live in CT, but why can’t the people drive on route 9 between Middletown-New Britain have a brain? No you don’t have to go 75+ but if can’t keep it at least 65mph then keep your ass our of the damn left lane, that’s why there’s a right lane, so you can go slow and people can pass you without a big scene. There’s no reason it should be jammed up during random times of the day because a guy 1/2 mile up is holding everyone up because he feels the need to cruise at 55 next to the car in right hand land so no one can get by. Why are you even on the highway if you’re not going the speed limit? Pretend it’s the 60s and take backroads then instead of making my commute hell beause you piss everyone around me off and have them change lanes constantly to try to get by.

    • Thomas says:

      Totally, agree. If you’re on the highway, you should be moving faster than the lane to your right. It isn’t difficult.

  24. Salty Buggah says:

    I keep hearing people using the World Series ticket revenue as a justification for paying Lee $161 million. They say if he get us there, his contract will pay for itself. I personally think that’s oversimplifying things, and do not agree. Does anyone actually buy that reasoning?

    • Steve H says:

      No. If they make the World Series and collect a bunch of money, would you only attribute it to Cliff Lee? How about the other 24+ guys on the team who contributed.

  25. bexarama says:


    Really good read on the Lee situation, complete with caveat.

  26. mbonzo says:

    Angels get Scott Downs… HAHAHAHAHAHA suck Blue Jays for trying to get a bazillion first round picks. Angels first round pick is protected.

  27. According to Tony Reagins (!/OCR_DanW.....0352182272), the Angels are done shopping for relief arms. So that probably takes them out of the Soriano sweepstakes due to either not wanting to deal with Boras or cost. Where does Soriano go now? The only teams I can think of are the Jays and White Sox, maybe (long shot) us if he fails to get a deal before January is out.

  28. FIPster Doofus says:

    Teixeira’s an overpaid role player, apparently. Another moronic Yahoo blogger fails again.

    • Somebody (that writer) has never watched baseball, apparently. But to say that Teixeira is just a role is absurd. He deserves to be paid his 20M because he plays like a 20M player. Three straight seasons of a .400+ wOBA followed by an injury marred (toward the end) 2010? 2010 is an outlier, not the standard going forward.

    • bexarama says:

      Hilariously awful. Tex as an overpaid role player. Giambi as “dreck” or whatever they called him. Beltran as #3?! Crawford as #4 already? Werth as #6? Both of those deals are listed over Tex and Giambi.

    • Zack says:

      I hate when people try the “not the best player on his team” argument, or when people compare FA contracts to players who signed extensions when they weren’t in FA. It doesnt work.

      • bexarama says:

        I hate when people try the “not the best player on his team” argument


        It’s almost like teams can have more than one really really really good player. Not that I’d call Tex’s 2010 “really really really good,” but his 2009 certainly was, and he still wasn’t the best player on the team. And that means… nothing. He was still excellent.

        • bexarama says:

          I should clarify: if you’re talking about MVP and stuff, yeah it’s a relevant argument. Like, as much as Tex was awesome last year, Jeter should’ve been the MVP runner-up, not Tex. (Or Zobrist, but a good amount of Zobrist’s value was tied into his defense, which included A LOT of very SSS noise because he played so many positions.)

  29. Accent Shallow says:

    From RAB’s Twitter:

    This is more or less what I’ve been saying. Of course, it just leads to endless back and forth:

    “Pitchers with great command age well!”
    “No, pitchers with great K rates age well!”
    “But look at that K/BB ratio!”
    “What about Barry Zito?”

    etc etc. Lee almost certainly makes the Yankees a better team in 2011, but I don’t know about 2013, 2014, and onwards.

    • YankeesJunkie says:

      When did an average FB of 91.3 become finesse. Lee has pretty good stuff still and outside this year his command has not been super natural. Would anyone be saying this if it were Halladay or Mussina. While Lee’s track record is not as long as the other two pitchers there is no reason to think he will revert back to pre surgery Lee. His mechanics are much more consistent and comparing him basically to an Aaron Small is idiotic.

  30. bexarama says:

    h/t nnelson9 on Twitter

    Rays led baseball in SBs, were out in the ALDS. Giants were last in baseball in SB, won the WS. Giants, Braves, and Twins were bottom five in stolen bases; the other teams in the top five of SBs were White Sox, Athletics, Mariners, and Mets.

    Almost like SBs ain’t that important.

    • Jose the Satirist says:

      What? This is an abysmal argument for saying that stolen bases aren’t that important.

      In 2008, the number 1 team in SB and the number 4 team in SB played in the World Series. The bottom two teams in SB lost 95 and 99 games that year.

      Almost like SBs are super important.

      /illogical reasoning

  31. mbonzo says:

    Incarcerated Bob should have his twitter account removed. The guy is the epitome of attention whore.
    I guarantee he did this just to get some followers.

  32. JM says:

    Hmph, slow baseball day. This Lee thing is taking years off my life.

  33. theyankeewarrior says:

    Cliff Lee is fucking annoying

    • FIPster Doofus says:

      Yep. I come on here every few hours expecting news on the Lee front, only to get nothing. And I have a terrible feeling he’s going to re-sign with Texas. Ugh.

    • Teh Comp Pick says:

      So annoying. I mean the exact parameters have already been on the table for a while and the broader ideas of NYY giving the most money and Tex being closer to Ark/liking Nolan Ryan/Whatever have been out there for months. Let the world know already, be a man, get it done.

  34. Zack says:

    So the Metrodome ceiling collpased…the LA Vikings has a nice ring to it.

    • aRX says:

      Nothing like a roof collapse to help make the case for a new stadium, eh?

      The video of the collapse: Ho. Ly. SHIT.

  35. Anyone know why, according to the 2011 Draft Order page on this site, Vazquez (71.970) is a higher draft pick than other Type B compensation picks despite having a higher Elias Ranking? The compensation picks for John Buck (67.411), JJ Putz (62.213), Jon Garland (71.947) and Juan Uribe (65.608) fall before the Yankees compensation pick despite the fact that all these guys had lower Elia rankings than Vazquez. Does Elias Ranking have nothing to do with placement of these picks? If so why bother using them at all? Wouldn’t some other system work better?

  36. I hope if/when Lee signs with the Yankees, Nolan Ryan just shuts ups and hides.

  37. Esteban says:


  38. Jimmy McNulty says:

    So…I made my fantasy playoffs pretty easily. Though I might get fucked over because I started Calvin Johnson over Steven Jackson in the flex today. I went with Reggie Wayne, Marquis Colston, and Megatron for my three WRs leaving Brandon Lloyd on the bench. However, Megatron got me -1 points…and I left Steve Jackson on the bench for Lesean McCoy and Darren McFadden (I don’t regret starting McFadden one bit, though).

    Fucking MEGATRON, I think I’m going to watch Transformers reruns where Optimus Prime kicks his ass a bunch.

    • Reggie C. says:

      Congrats on playing D-MAC. It wasnt a terribly hard decision, but good thing you stuck with him.

      I did too. Its nice to have nearly 40 pts put up by ONE player.

      • Jimmy McNulty says:

        He had 43 in my league, PPR league so that’s why I went with Megatron over Steven Jackson. Breesy just threw a pic, so that hurt. I need Celeck and Austin to have a shitty night tonight, and Flacco to blow. Also if Brees would throw two more TDs to Colston that’d be just grand.

      • Jimmy McNulty says:

        If the Cowboys give Keith Brooking a copious amount of playing time Lesean McCoy should get me some points too.

  39. I got bored while writing an essay, so I decided to calculate ERA+. I ran Bob Gibson’s 68 campaign compared to today’s ERA. My result? If Bob Gibson pitched in 2010 and had the exact same year as 1968, he would have an ERA+ of 364. Conversely, if both played in 1968 and had the exact same year as 2010, Halladay and Felix would have had ERA+s of 122 and 131.


    • JGS says:

      In 1968, fourteen pitchers qualified for the ERA title with a lower ERA than Felix’s 2010-MLB-leading 2.27.


      49 out of 76 qualifiers finished with ERAs south of 3, and only two had ERAs greater than 4. In 2010, only 15 out of 92 qualifiers had sub-3 ERAs, and 35 had 4+. And this was the best pitching year in some time.

      In 2000, just four out of 88 qualifiers had sub-3 ERAs (Pedro, Randy Johnson, Kevin Brown, and…Jeff D’Amico), 66 were north of 4, 20 were greater than 5, and three were greater than 6.

  40. cano is the bro says:

    this cliff lee shit is getting so old. Just sign already dammit

    • Xstar7 says:

      I know right? At this point I’m just so tired of all this nonsense that even if he signs with the Rangers I’d be relieved because it’ll finally be all over.

  41. Not Tank the Frank says:


    Ok I’m done. I just had to get that out there.

  42. JobaWockeeZ says:

    Cliff Lee. Indecision 2011.

  43. bexarama says:

    Tex signed with the Yankees on December 23.

    Guys…….. what if Lee takes that long ;_______;

  44. Dave says:

    Yikes, you guys are having quite the hosting issues eh?

  45. Max says:

    Obviously Greinke now costs a king’s ransom. Is there any combination of players that you, the staffers of this fine blog, would be willing to part with for him (that you think is a legitimate offer)?

    Also let’s just assume for the sake of argument that he is capable of pitching in New York. I think so either way but some people seem to think that a diagnosis of social anxiety makes him allergic to it, but anyway. If he were capable of pitching just as well in New York as in Kansas City, isn’t there value in bringing in quality of that caliber?

  46. Mike HC says:

    Happy to see you guys back up and running. Forced to check out some other Yankee blogs in your absence only made me appreciate this place even more. Not that the other blogs were bad, just that RAB is truly a level above.

  47. Last thing I’m saying about Cliff Lee, ever: We were Tex’d.

  48. Mike R says:

    Glad to finally see a signing, albeit not Cliff Lee. I could careless if we signed Cliff Lee or not, granted he is a great pitcher. The thing that annoyed me the most about the situation is that we missed out on other pieces because Lee took his sweet ass time. Nevertheless there is nothing we can do about it, that’s how the free agent process works. That being said, I’d love for Pettitte to come back and give us one more year. There’s no way Burnett replicates his putrid 2010 season and either way we still have a good staff. I doubt the Yankees will make a movie this off season, I bet they wait until July to even go after Greinke. The best, yet probably the most improbable solution to sour the taste in all of our mouths is if the Yankees somehow pulled off some type of Blockbuster trade to bring in King Felix. That would definitely make us all feel a little bit better, but it’s hard to expect that will happen. I wouldn’t even try to get Greinke because you know the Royals and their worthless owner GLASS is going to expect everything and more, let the Rangers give him that.

  49. Fucking awful day today. Literally one group of kids has given me my first ever doubts about teaching.

  50. thurdonpaul says:

    I havent been around here much lately, but I havent noticed TSJC here.

    Does he still come here ? Is he ok ?


  51. T.J. says:

    A Mets fan I know just said the Yankees should trade Granderson/Igawa for Zambrano and prospects.

    I think I’d set fire to Cashman’s house if that happened.

  52. Steve H says:

    If the Yankees trade for Zambrano (please Mo no!), will they have Frankie be his personal catcher, but have Zambrano hit and someone else DH for Frankie?

  53. Zack says:

    Matt Guerrier. $12 million.

    Nothing else to say.

  54. JGS says:

    If the Phillies sign Soriano, then Tampa, not Texas, would get their first round pick. Because Soriano has a higher Elias ranking than Lee.

    Does anyone else have a huge problem with this?

  55. GermanYankee says:

    Marlins sign Choate. Mike won’t like that ;)

  56. JM says:

    How much would it take to get Zambrano? I mean, he seems to be rather unpopular in Chicago with the temper tantrums and maybe a change in scenery would do him well. Also, if the Yankees took like 14 of the 18 million a year he is making, I think the Cubs would do a reasonable trade. What would it take? Would Romine+Killer-B+Nunez/Adams+Muid-level prospect with the Yankees taking 14 million a year with Zambrano get it done?

  57. Dan says:

    I know this is completely off topic but this is why it is the offtopic thread. For the knicks would you do a deal in which the knicks get bosh, the heat get nene and chauncy billups and the knicks send chandler and fields to the nuggets?

    • Dan says:

      Add in Carmello and a backend of the rotation guy to the knicks and Currys expiring contract, a first round pick and gallo to the nuggets and this is a sweeet trade. but would the heat do it?

    • Mike R says:

      Dude.. If the Heat wanted to trade Bosh they wouldn’t have ever signed him. If you even think the Heat would consider trading Bosh you are beyond ignorant.

  58. Jo3momz says:

    How believable is incarceratedbob and where on earth does he get his info from?

  59. The Real JobaWockeeZ says:

    Anyone down for Blanton as a 5th starter if the Phillies eat a lot of salary?

    He’s got a career line of 2.51 BB/9, 5.82 K/9, 1.02 HR/9, 43.7% GB%, 4.21 FIP, 4.30 ERA and it looks impressive. It incldues AL and NL starts. His recent line looks a tad bit better as he walks less and strieks out more and will benefit coming out of a bandbox and into a team with at least average defense.

    Good opportunity to buy low and the Yanks have money to blow.

    • A.D. says:

      Wouldn’t mind some Blanton at all, assuming that the cost is mostly taking on all the salary

    • JGS says:

      and will benefit coming out of a bandbox

      Will he? In terms of bandbox-ness, YSIII is much closer to Citizen’s Bank than the Coliseum. Blanton gave up 1.4 HR/9 over his 400+ innings as a Phillie.

  60. bexarama says:

    all this “Welcome home, Cliff!!!!” stuff from Philly fans is just gross. You’re not his OMG HOME~ any more than Seattle was.

  61. Joe R says:

    Martin needs knee surgery already. Nick Johnson all over? God I hope not. I dont know why you’d sign a catcher who needs knee surgery. No matter how minor. That cant bode well for his future.

  62. Steve H says:

    Marc (Lancaster, PA)
    What does Banuelos need to work on to solidify himself as a top of the rotation pitcher?

    Klaw (12:37 PM)
    I don’t see much left for him to do. Tighten the breaking ball? He’s got command. He’s got present velocity. He’s not projectable. The change is plus. He’s pretty damn good right now.


  63. GermanYankee says:

    a guy asked Keith Law if he misses living in Boston. Answer: Not in the least. Made my day XD

    • Esteban says:

      I don’t think I would ever live in Boston again either.

      • RL says:

        Never lived there, but I don’t mind visiting. My second favorite place for Italian restaurants. (Haven’t been to Italy yet, so NYC is still tops in my book.)

  64. The Real JobaWockeeZ says:

    Nationals signed Guadin. Thank Mo. But I shouldn’t be too happy because he’ll get DFA’d one day and he’ll be back.

  65. Craig says:

    I’m going to keep asking this until someone responds. Why are so many people so enamored with John Danks. I understand he’s LH, his WAR totals are solid and he’s thrown 195+ innings the past three seasons. However, his FIP and xFIP are nothing to do a back flip over and neither are his strikeouts.

    He’s definitely solid, but I would NEVER trade Jesus Montero for him.

    • Max says:

      I don’t know. I agree with you wholeheartedly. He is definitely solid and would make for a decent #2, but to give up 6 years of Montero for him seems imprudent.

    • Zack says:

      Who said trade Montero for him? That’s the point of going after him, because it wouldn’t cost you Montero.

      • Craig says:

        Maybe I’m incorrectly assuming that these fans would be willing to trade Montero for him, but I’ve seen several people refer to Danks as “elite” or “right below the Josh Johnson/Felix Hernandez tier”.

        • Zack says:

          I guess it depends how you judge those tiers. He was 37th in FIP last year. Say there are 15 guys in that elite category, being in the next top 20 is pretty good.

          If you can get him with not giving up Montero or Manny B then I can’t complain.

    • JGS says:

      Since 2008 (the breakout year for both of them):

      John Danks: Age 23-25, 97 starts, 608.1 innings (6.27 per start), 3.61 ERA, 1.241 WHIP, 2.35 K/BB, 0.9 HR/9 (in a very homer-happy park–by ESPN park factors, the Cell was 1st, 4th, and 2nd in all of baseball for home runs in the past three seasons)

      Jon Lester: Age 24-26, 97 starts, 621.2 innings (6.41 per start), 3.29 ERA, 1.235 WHIP, 2.83 K/BB, 0.7 HR/9 (Fenway was 21st, 21st, and T-25th for home runs in the past three seasons)

      I’m not trying to equate them–Lester is better. His (Lester’s) walk rate is the same but he strikes out way more (602 to 470 over the three years), hence the better FIP and fWAR, but Danks is very solidly in the tier just below the elite southpaws. He is a rock-solid #2-3 starter who is not quite 26 years old. I wouldn’t trade Montero for him either, but they shouldn’t need to, and if you can get him without the Jesus, this would be a good move for the Yankees.

  66. Zack says:

    Seattle is on Matsui’s no trade list. That’s shocking, wasn’t that the “perfect” place for him the last two seasons? I mean he’s Japanese, Ichiro’s Japanese, the owners are Japanese – they all must get along right?

  67. Carlosologist says:

    I was standing next to a Red Sox fan at KFC today. It was surreal.

  68. Jimmy McNulty says:

    What happened in the Giants game? My friend won’t talk to me.

  69. Johnny O says:

    Can someone compare the package the Breweres gave up to their Yankees counterparts? I know we don’t have good CF or SS prospects, but some idea of the talent level that KC got for Greinke.

    • Thomas says:

      From what I’ve heard.
      Cain is good defensive centerfielder with solid contact and discipline, but no power. Similar to Gardner, but worse defensively and OBP-wise.
      Escobar is an all field SS with good speed, but no hitting skills. He is better than Nunez, because of his defense. He is going to be a a worse hitting Andrus type.
      Odorizzi is like Warren a mid rotation starter. Odorizzi’s upside is higher, but he is also farther away from the majors.
      Jeffress has a great fastball and change, but no control. He is a future back arm reliever if he stops walking so many. Also, one more positive drug test and he is banned for life. I’d compare him to Farnsworth but with a changeup and not a slider (plus the personal problems).

  70. bexarama says:

    I can’t wait until we win 95+ games in 2011 and the World Series anyway, and the media pretends we were the favorites all along.

    (This post contains completely unnecessary and possibly delusional bravado.)

  71. Jerome S. says:

    Suggestion: Bexy-Bait tag.

    Think about it.

  72. CS Yankee says:


    Not sure if this is the place to ask the questions, but I’ll try…

    Read the other day that the Rays are way loaded with arms, and after looking at their top 20 prospects they are loaded with high ceiling type (they have 13 of their top 17 rated in the system) pitchers, so my questions are;

    1) Garza’s contract still needs to move, right? Would they deal with the Yankees…and if yes, do the chips match up well, or would a third team need to be involved? Garza, if I recall correctly, has been solid against the BoSox and is reliable (no ace though) and could fit in as our #3 (assuming AP is done) pitcher.

    2) I would love to see an article that compares our young guns to their young guns as far as ML projections in the next 2-3 years.

    • pete says:

      I don’t see Garza moving unless it was an absolute steal for the Rays. I think they definitely plan on moving him, but not before the season. He’s still a quality arm that can give a ton of innings and provide the team with cushion against potential struggles from Davis and Hellickson, and presumed mediocrity from Shields.

      Perhaps the situation would have been different had the Yankees signed Lee and Pettitte, as their combination of offense and pitching would have made them an incredibly tough team to beat, record-wise, but with the current state of the rotations in New York and Boston, it’s still a very winnable division. I think the Rays intend to try to do just that this year.

      Losing Crawford, Pena, Soriano, and Benoit hurts, but this is still a team with a great rotation and great defense. If a few offensive chips fell the right way (a rebound to 2009 levels from Zobrist, a good year from Jennings, maybe a surprise here or there), and maybe some young SP prospects come in and perform well in the BP, there’s no doubt in my mind that that team can fight Boston and NY all year.

      Price-Garza-Davis-Shields-Hellickson is too good a rotation to give up on in a winnable division.

  73. The Real JobaWockeeZ says:

    ManBan vs Casey Kelly. Who will win?!

    • Accent Shallow says:

      I don’t buy Kelly at all (I think the scouts have fallen hard because he “looks like a baseball player”), but how much of that is confirmation bias on my part?

      Pitching in AA at 20 is an accomplishment, but getting rocked with “eh” peripherals? Who knows. I still don’t think he’ll be a star.

  74. Sean C. says:

    You know the Hot Stove league’s pickings are getting slim when espn’t trying to drum up an exciting mystery team to sign the ghost of Brandon Webb.

  75. All Star Carl says:;FEEDNAME=

    CC is gonna drop 30 pounds before the season starts.

  76. CBean says:

    my world championship cookie decorating skills:

  77. Kramerica Industries (prev. Carcillo) says:

    The Devils fired their head coach?

    That’s about as surprising as hearing the weather in Seattle sucks year-round.

    • esteban says:

      But apparently, the weather doesn’t suck in Seattle year-round. I saw a comparison that during the baseball months, it rains much less in Seattle than in NY.

  78. RL says:

    Waaay off topic here. Some of you will remember Pierre Turgeon from his days with the MY Islanders. His 18-year old daughter died in a car crash yesterday. She and a friend, who is in critical condition, were traveling to TX when the crash occurred. They were teammates and good friends of my daughter. Please, if you pray, say a prayer for them and their families. Or just keep them in your thoughts. As a close friend of mine said, “Hug the ones you love whenever you can. Life can end in the blink of an eye. Best to hold the ones we love close.”

  79. Jimmy McNulty says:

    As overrated as I think Eli Manning is, Justin Tuck is probably the most underrated player in the league. I mean, Clay Matthews is the big defensive star of today’s game and guys like Jared Allen and DeMarcus Ware are DPotY candidates every year. I think Tuck’s way better than Clay Matthews and every bit as good as Ware and Allen. Great in run coverage and as good as a pass rusher as there is. Hakeem Nicks is another player who I feel is underrated, the Giants clearly got the luckiest when the Raiders drafted DHB in the first round.

    • Pat D says:

      Actually, Tuck is better than Allen and Ware. And that’s not just homerism. Ware is a great pass rusher, but doesn’t do much against the run and doesn’t have the versatility that Tuck has.

      Allen has been mostly invisible this year. Maybe it’s because the team has been in such a state of turmoil with the injuries, the Favre situation, the Childress firing and now the Metrodome collapsing, but you haven’t heard much about Allen or the Williamses this year. Frankly, no one would pay attention to Allen if he didn’t have that ridiculously stupid sack celebration.

  80. Jerome S. says:

    You know it’s a slow offseason when a siginificant amount of comments are on a player’s true nationality…

  81. bexarama says:

    the amount of people who didn’t realize Cashman’s “the payroll is under $170M, attaboy!” remark as clear sarcasm/joking around kinda scares me

    • Pat D says:

      Who’s not getting it now?

      Frankly I wouldn’t mind if somehow their payroll was less than the Red Sox or Phillies, but I know it isn’t going to happen.

      • bexarama says:

        There was an article on HBT that came down pretty hard on Cashman for the quote, but it was a while back, and I saw people complaining about it on NYYFans and LoHud. Like I said, it’s really kind of scary how many of them think it means Cashman would rather have a cheaper team than make the team better, other than taking it for the pretty obvious joke it was (IMO).

  82. Steve H says:

    All the older, traditional stats people who claim they wouldn’t have voted for Palmeiro in the HOF even if he wasn’t busted for juicing are full of it. Bob Ryan, whom I like, says he wouldn’t have. Seriously? A guy with 3000 hits or 500 HR’s would be an absolute lock amongst the old school guys. A guy with 3000 hits and 500 HR’s would have gotten 90+% of the vote the first time thru without PED’s.

    • JGS says:

      Seeing as Eddie Murray got 85.3% on his first ballot having hung on with a 95 OPS+ for his last four seasons while he racked up the counting stats that put him over both magic numbers, that sounds about right. That’s not to say Murray didn’t deserve it, but without those last four years (of 0.0 bWAR, mind you), he finishes with 441 homers and 2820 hits.

      • Steve H says:

        Wow. Eddie Murray is an absolute perfect comp for Palmeiro (though Palmeiro was better). Murray was hated by the writers and cruised in as you noted at 85%. So yeah, if anyone who tells you they wouldn’t have voted for Palmeiro even without the steroids is lying. Of the 15% that didn’t vote for Murray, they either didn’t think he was 1st ballot or hated him enough to not vote for him. If any old school guy just looked at his numbers they would have voted for him.

  83. MLBN exercise: current players going to the HOF:

    Abreu: Williams? Yes. Reynolds? Yes. Heyman? No.
    Buehrle: Williams? No. Reynolds? No. Heyman? No. Then comped MB to Whitey Ford’s first 11 years. Failed to mention 2 years lost to Korea.
    Thome: Williams? Yes. Reynolds? Yes. Heyman? “Probably is.”
    Moyer: Williams? No. Reynolds? If he gets to 300, yes. Rifuckingdiculous. Heyman? No.

    Heyman also said Thome wasn’t as dominant as Jim Rice. Rice’s career high SLG? .600. Thome was above that three times. Rice’s career high OBP? .384. Thome was above that 13 times. Rice’s career high HR? 46. Thome was above that three times. OPS+? Career: Rice 128; Thome 147. High OPS+? Rice, 157. Thome was above that three times and matched it once.

    • Thomas says:

      Yeah, I’d say only Thome deserves to make the HOF of those four. I’d assume Buehrle and Abreu decline as they age making them no longer HOF worthy. No frickin’ way Moyer deserves to go to the Hall, unless he somehow hasn’t peaked yet.

    • Pat D says:

      Interesting to see that they discuss “borderline” guys like that. From where I sit, Moyer and Buehrle only have chances if they get to 300 wins, which is unlikely and highly unlikely, respectively. Even if Moyer gets to 300 wins, they might actually look at his numbers and decide he’s not worthy.

      Abreu only has a chance if he gets to 3000 hits because he was never a “dominant” player. It seems like he’s slowing down, too, so I don’t give him much of a chance to get to 3000 hits.

      Thome might suffer from McGwire comparisons, both in that all he does is hit HR’s and walks. Not a great average hitter, won’t have a high hits total, no defensive value. Someone will also probably start whispering steroids about Thome, too.

      Personally, I’d vote for Thome. I’d also vote for McGwire, Palmeiro and other PED users because there are already cheaters and questionable characters in the HOF. Yes, that means I’d be in favor of inducting Joe Jackson and Pete Rose.

      • Steve H says:

        Buehrle shouldn’t have a case, but has (so far) a very similar case to Jack Morris, who unfortunately will likely get in some day.

        • Accent Shallow says:

          Wait, what?

          How is Buehrle comparable to Morris? Even if you’re just going to call Buehrle an innings-eater, he has a career ERA+ of 120, to Morris’ 105.

          He’s also young enough to improve his 148-110 career record. I think if Buehrle has a typical decline phase, he’ll have a better case than Morris (especially considering Buehrle has a no-hitter, a perfect game, a ring, and has shut down the running game)

          • Steve H says:

            You’re right. One night, a few weeks ago I was looking more from an old-school perspective W/L, ERA, etc. to kind of bash Heyman’s Morris as a HOF pick. Buehrle, at this point in time, has a better case than Morris.

            Also, while Morris has a great mustache, Buehrle has quite the beard.

          • Steve H says:

            Thru age 31 Buehrle is 148-110 (.574) with 3.85 ERA and 120 ERA+. Morris 144-94 3.57 ERA and 113 ERA+. Morris finished with .577 winning percentage and 3.90 ERA, right around where MB is now. While not Game 7!!11!!, MB does have some signature moments as you stated.

            Neither of them belong, but Buehrle has a better case than Morris (so far) but I don’t see him getting close, somehow Morris will.

            • Accent Shallow says:

              He’s one of those guys who’s been discussing retirement, but he turns 32 (!!) right before the season starts. I could see him getting to 300 wins. Of course, he’s a soft-tosser, so all bets are off (or are they? Is he really throwing with max effort to hit 85 mph?)

              • Steve H says:

                I hope he does end up with Morris like final numbers and see where Heyman comes in on him. Jack Morris voters vote for him because of 1 game, and 1 cherry picked stat that is pretty meaningless.

  84. Pat D says:

    Interesting comments. I always liked Jeff Bagwell, always felt he was underrated, underappreciated, what have you. Since I’ve already said that I’d vote for PED users, if we learn that Bagwell did take them it wouldn’t much change my opinion of him. However, if you’re going to publicly make comments like this, and have seen how people like Rafael Palmeiro and Floyd Landis have made their situations worse with their denials, I’d really hope he’s telling the truth.

    • Zack says:

      I was always a fan of him because I went to the same high school that he graduated from – but he’s the kind of player that gets lumped into the whole PED thing just because he hit HRs.

      Who knows, maybe there’s a BALCO down in Texas that gets raided one day and his name is on a list, but right now it’s not. As the article stated, he’s never been linked to PEDs by anything more than “hearsay and innuendo.” But because he played in the “era” he gets mentioned in the same sentence as the other guys.

      I hope he played clean his whole career and if he did I think he should say this stuff publically. I’m sure many voters passed over his name because they linked him to PEDs without proof and because he’s been pretty quiet publically about it, so if he never used I’m glad he’s standing up and defending his name, and other guys too.

    • Steve H says:

      Well, if you’re eating 30 pounds of meat every single day and you’re working out and bench pressing

      30 pounds of meat, a day? Come on.

    • bexarama says:

      To quote what Steve H said on Twitter, he could’ve shot up at home plate and he’d still be a HOFer for me, but his comments toward the end about how much he loved and admired Bonds, McGwire, and Pettitte do not help his case. Like, at all.

    • Mike HC says:

      People are just going to have to accept that PED’s were and are a part of professional sports these days. They are not going away. At this point, we are only punishing people for getting caught, not for actually doing them.

  85. Dick Whitman says:

    Whatever happened to JMK? He just up and disappeared from my twitter. He was always commenting about something and now…gone.

  86. Chat on Friday (NYE) or Thurs again this week?!?

  87. I’m off for teh weekend! Happy New Year, everyone!!!

  88. Accent Shallow says:

    For auld lang syne, my jo
    For auld lang syne

  89. JGS says:

    Come see Bexy and I take down that horrendous NESN article linked to above


  90. Mike HC says:

    Anybody else notice that the RAB three has turned into Axisa and then the other two guys? All good, but Axisa has definitely been carrying a disproportionate amount of the load here.

    • Mike Axisa says:

      It comes in waves. Wait a few weeks, and another one of the guys will be doing the majority of the posting. It’s not planned, just kinda happens. I’ve been rather motivated the last few weeks.

      • Mike HC says:

        Got ya. Considering the slow news the past couple of weeks, your motivation has brought me tons of entertainment I could not get elsewhere. Thanks for the great content. Who needs those other guys anyway, haha.

        • Mike HC says:

          When I send in my next beer money donation, make sure you get two beers per round to their one, ha.

  91. Steve H says:

    After the Yankees finished third in the Cliff Lee bidding, their response has been to wait — to be patient, to rely on the group of stars already in place and bide their time for the next big deal.

    Wow, Cashman really sucks, he couldn’t even come in second place for a free agent?!?!?!

    But seriously, I cannot fathom the rationale behind that statement.

  92. JohnnyC says:

    Anyone hear from tsjc recently? Haven’t seen a post from him in a long time.

    • bexarama says:

      His wife had a kid recently so I think he’s busy with that. :)

      • Jerome S. says:

        NOT AN EXCUSE.

        ^ also applicable to Andy.

        • Mike HC says:

          It is completely selfish that Tommie is making us wait on his decision if is coming back for next season to return as the most prolific RAB commenter. RAB commenters have been completely hamstrung with their comments, not knowing whether to expect one of Tommie’s patented “movie scenes” responses that take five minutes to realize how it relates to your post, or if he goes the “juvenile, obnoxious” route. How long is it going to be before he gets sick of that kid.

          /completely joking – - I’m looking forward to his inevitable triumphant return.

  93. Pat D says:

    Nice little article trying to predict the HOF outcome for Wednesday.


    You absolutely have to read to the comments. The 4th comment in particular. Seems that not only does this person think that Teix might be a PED user, but that he also knows when players get random tests.


  94. Zack says:
    The Rangers have sounded out Michael Young about a possible position change. Young was not receptive to the idea. Young has not spoken to the media this winter but has told the Rangers he’s not interested in moving off third base.

    Does he lose his “Great Team-Player Ever” title now? Or will the media continue to pretend like he didn’t cry about moving off of 2B and SS?

    • Pat D says:

      Where else would they put him? DH? Doesn’t hit enough. OF? Same deal.

      • Thomas says:

        Sounds like DH/Util. So he’ll play 2B/3B/SS on the days off for Kinsler, Andrus, and Beltre (may be a lot with Kinsler). He’ll probably also get a lot of reps at DH/1B, because while he will be below average compared to other teams, he likely will still be better than Moreland and anyone else on the team.

      • Zack says:

        It’s not like he “fields enough” or “hits enough” for 3B either.

        If you take out the money variable:
        Beltre at 3B + Young at DH >>>>>>> Young at 3B + Vlad(?) at DH.

    • Xstar7 says:

      Michael Young is a fan favorite in Texas right? I think they should give him the benefit of the doubt and let him play 3B while Beltre DH’s. (Of course this isn’t a good idea. So let’s hope they do it. The less competition in the American league the better.)

  95. Pat D says:

    Here’s some more HOF articles. Sigh.

    I get his take. I can respect his not wanting to publish his ballot, but it’s kind of taking the easy way out, isn’t it?

    But then there’s this nugget:

    “I can’t accuse someone without real proof. But I can’t in good conscience vote for that person if I believe he cheated.”

    Translation: “It doesn’t matter if there’s absolutely no proof a player took PED’s, all that matters is whether or not I think he did.”

    Yea, I really need to stop reading these articles.

  96. vin says:

    I love how Larry Walker’s 1998 season was only good for 17th place in the MVP voting…

    His slash line:

    I guess they dinged him because he only played 130 games (and hit just 23 hr’s and had only 67 rbi).

    • Zack says:

      If you look at the MVP voting, of the 16 guys that were ahead of him – only Gwynn, Castilla, and Hoffman had a lower WAR. Rolen and Glavine were behind him with higher WARs. So technically, him being in the mid-teens was actually fair.

      Obviously that’s not the way voters voted, so I’m sure it was playing time, HR, RBI, playing for a losing team (77-85), and voters investigating being mesmorized by Sosa/McGwire.

    • Mike Axisa says:

      Brian Giles in…

      1999: .315/.418/.614, 39 HR, 115 RBI, 19th in MVP
      2000: .315/.432/.594, 35 HR, 123 RBI, 19th in MVP
      2001: .309/.404/.590, 37 HR, 95 RBI, 24th in MVP
      2002: .298/.450/.622, 38 HR, 103 RBI, 13th in MVP

      Sucks playing for the Pirates, eh?

      • JGS says:

        Ranking in bWAR among NL position players:

        1999: 5th. 4th by the offensive component of WAR only.
        2000: 9th. 6th by offense.
        2001: 16th. 10th by offense. Crazy year for the NL–Sammy Sosa became just the second player ever (Gehrig, 1927) to post a bWAR north of 11 and not lead his league.
        2002: 12th. 2nd by offense.

  97. T-Long says:

    I know yankee fans are frustrated with how the offseason is going, but imagine how frustrating it must be angel fans now? They lose out on Crawford, and now they lose out on Beltre. I don’t get why the angels are so hesistant to get into bidding wars. They just seem to be a clueless franchise sometimes.

  98. rbizzler says:

    In the lead up to the 2011 HOF announcements, ESPN has published a list of all of their staff members and their votes. Barry Stanton, a news editor, has the following players listed on his ballot: Jack Morris, Edgar Martinez, Tino Martinez, Donnie Baseball and BJ Surhoff, but no Robbie or Bert.

    A cursory interweb search has a “Barry Stanton” as a writer who was once fired from a NY area newspaper for plagiarizing Joe Posnanski. Another article has Lupica quoted as saying that a Barry Stanton is/was his best friend.

    Is this the same guy and, if so, how does and admitted plagiarist get to pass judgment on a player’s character?

  99. Jerome S. says:

    C’mon. Did anyone really expect Favre to retire gracefully?

    • Zack says:

      His career doesn’t have a happy ending.

    • Mike HC says:

      Definitely not, but I thought it would only have to do with his play. He basically went out as a sexual predator as well. Apparently, if you were a women hired by the Jets that Favre wanted, and you didn’t blow him, you weren’t hired again. Good times.

  100. Jerome S. says:

    What are the odds that all three Killer B’s stay with the system through 2012? It looks like a trade involving one of them is inevitable.

    • Mike Axisa says:

      I’d say not very good. It’s just the way these things go.

    • Mike HC says:

      Here is to hoping we trade the “right” one, or the one who turns into a bust. Thanks to RAB, I’ve never been more knowledgeable about the Yanks prospects than I have the past couple of years. I’m still curious to see how Nobody Beats the Viz turns out.

  101. Pat D says:

    So apparently the BBWAA site has been hacked.

    That’s a great thing to have happen on the day of the HOF announcement.

  102. The Fallen Phoenix says:

    I don’t know how I feel about this:

    Especially when I imagine what this might have looked like if Beltre didn’t play half his games in Safeco for five years…

    • JGS says:

      Beltre: .339 wOBA, 111 wRC+, +141.6 UZR
      Jeter: .371 wOBA, 128 wRC+, -113.4 UZR

      I’ll take the elite hitter with the bad glove over the elite fielder with a meh bat every day of the week. I think fWAR puts too much stock in fielding in general.

    • bexarama says:

      Fangraphs hates hates hates Derek’s defense and loves loves loves Beltre’s.

      • Thomas says:

        Yeah, looking at bWAR the gap through age 31 is large. Jeter has a bWAR of 48.7 compared to Beltre’s bWAR of 42.5 and Beltre has over 500 more PAs. Jeter pretty much is one good season worth of WAR ahead of Beltre through age 31 with roughly one full season less worth of PAs.

  103. Zack says:

    Jack Morris at 53%? I guess those old voters didn’t see him pitch like Heyman did.

  104. rbizzler says:

    So, in a follow-up to my post yesterday about the atrocious ballot of ESPN’s Barry Stanton, the moderator on the ESPN HOF chat posted a voting explanation from BS. He basically said that he voted for Surhoff because he covered him in High School and BJ was a nice guy. He also said that he voted for Tino because he was ‘the heart of four WS championship teams.’ Also, he noted that he was thinking about changing his vote on Alomar to a ‘yes,’ but decided against it while noting that he probably won’t get a chance to vote for him next year (ie b/c he is getting in this year).

    I just don’t get how someone could treat their pet/token votes with more seriousness than they consider worthy and deserving candidates.

    • Zack says:

      Those are the voters that should lose their voting rights IMO. HoF vote because he was a nice guy? Nominate him for person of the year for whatever town he lives then, keep that BS out of the HoF.

  105. Accent Shallow says:

    This contains some quality snark.

  106. Steve H says:

    8. An update on the Eric Chavez market, from Susan Slusser.

    What market is there for Chavez? A flea market?

  107. Jerome S. says:

    You know what occurred to me: what would happen if Mantle started his career today? His injuries certainly wouldn’t have been as devastating with modern medical diagnoses and procedures, and he would have been able to extend his career even further as a DH in his later year. It’s kind of sad to think about what could be, but it’s certainly not unfeasible to believe that he would wind up at about .315/.450/.590 with 650+ career dingers and maybe 250 stolen bases.

    • Yank the Frank says:

      Imagine the Babe on ‘roids instead of hot dogs and beer.

    • Steve H says:

      And what if, on top of that, he wasn’t drinking? Also, not only would he have healed better, but his initial big injury likely would have never happened due to much better playing fields.

    • Mike HC says:

      The talent pool is far larger today. Worldwide. Just something to take into account.

  108. Zack says:

    So Cashman says he’s not giving up his first round pick yesterday, and 10 minutes ago Heyman tweets “#yankees are still in on soriano”. Boras must need some help.

  109. GRGOYLDEF@ says:

    Anybody catch the news over on Big League Stew? The 9 year old girl killed in the shooting in Arizona was Dallas Green’s granddaughter. Just terrible.

  110. icebird753 says:


  111. Steve H says:

    Mik Schmidt proving once again that being a great player doesn’t mean you have a great mind for the game. This is Joe Morgan’esque.

    Mike Schmidt, comparing himself to Jim Rice? He must have an inferiority complex.

    • Thomas says:

      Obviously the Rice comp is idiotic, but overall he makes some good points.

      As has been mentioned at RAB, it is usually pretty ridiculous to put a guy through after he has been on the ballot for 10 years. A player is no more deserving to make it in year 12 than he is in year 1 (or 2 if you believe certain players deserve the honor of a 1st ballot election).

      Also, I don’t mind his nomination election system, where the top 10 vote getters are looked at more closely. However, having those players be voted on by the HOF members is no better than having them looked at by the writers. I don’t know who should be voting though (1st or 2nd).

      • Steve H says:

        I do agree that it shouldn’t take so long to decide if a guy is a Hall of Famer, but if not for the long wait time, Blyleven wouldn’t be in. The other side of that coin, of course, is that Rice wouldn’t be in. A Hall of Famer is a Hall of Famer in my book as well. My bigger problem was definitely with the Rice comp.

  112. Ruba_Doob says:

    with the subtractions from the rays is it unrealistic to belive that buck showalter and the o’s could at least become a competative surprise?

    • bexarama says:

      They won’t be a real factor but they’ll be better. I actually like the little moves they made. I’m expecting the Rays to be better than them, though, still.

    • Gonzo says:

      I like the Rays rotation better.

    • Tom Zig says:

      The Rays lost Garza, Crawford, Pena, Benoit, Barlett, Choate and likely Soriano. That’s about 15 fWAR (rounded up) from the previous year. About 7 of that is from Crawford alone. The total fWAR contributions of the non-Crawford players can easily be made up by their replacements.

      The only questions are, is Desmond Jennings ready, and how much will he contribute.

      I still think the Rays finish 3rd but they won’t be a bad team, they’ll still win around 85-90 games I imagine.

  113. Gonzo says:

    Via Olney, Soriano wants big bucks. Shocker.

  114. pete says:

    I’ve come to the conclusion that there are lies, damned lies, and Jon Heyman’s eyes.


  115. Accent Shallow says:

    Phil Coke is apparently guaranteed a rotation spot in Detroit? What?


    This is either an embarrassing oversight on the Yankees’ part, or, more likely, a train wreck in progress.

  116. Accent Shallow says:

    Minor League Splits is (sorta) back.

    Jeff Sackmann is providing all the data for free (although who knows what happens with 2011 and forward)


  117. bexarama says:

    h/t Jordan/JSG

    Since the start of 2006, out of all pitchers who have thrown at least 500 innings in the American League, Josh Beckett is 28th in ERA. That’s behind, among others, Cliff Lee, Francisco Liriano, Shaun Marcum, Matt Garza, Andy Pettitte, Mark Buehrle, Jeremy Guthrie, Scott Kazmir, Dice-K, CMW, AJ Burnett, Joe Saunders, James Shields, and Jake Westbrook.

    ERA is not the greatest stat ever but teh sooperace

    • Avi says:

      Yeah Beckett is very streaky. When he’s hot as he’s been in every post season he’s pitched in he’s unhittable. I think he’s due for a bounce back this year which would make Boston a 100 win team (should everyone else perform to expectation and stay healthy of course)

      • Mike Axisa says:

        He does have a 7.71 ERA in his last four postseason starts, and the Yankees destroy him nowadays.

        • Avi says:

          Didn’t realize that, Pretty bad. I still think he can have a very effective year. Like a high 3′s ERA over 200 plus innings. Lackey and dice-k are crap but Beckett can give them a third front line type guy with Lester and Bucholz.

          • Avi says:

            Mike, If Pettitte retires would you take Peavy at @ $13M a year over the next two years? Chicago would have to pick up $5M a year for this to happen. Peavy isn’t 30 yet, was one of the best pitchers in baseball not too long ago and his injury isn’t arm related (from what I can understand). Also you wouldn’t have to give up any premium prospects in this scenario. Sounds like the White Sox are trying to save money and if they could save $26M over the next two years I think there’s a good chance they jump on it.

            • Mike Axisa says:

              It’s a back injury, not arm, though it can be just as bad. I’d want to see him healthy and productive before considering it. Let him show that with the White Sox on their dime.

              • Avi says:

                I hear you. But if that happens the price goes up or worse he’s unattainable. It might be the right time to buy on him now.

          • Steve H says:

            Beckett and Lackey are pretty similar. Beckett’s peak is a little higher game to game, but he’s just not consistent.

          • Tom Zig says:

            Buchholz =/= Front line.

            Clay Buchholz 2010 = Dice-K 2008

            • JGS says:

              Dice-K: 29 starts, 167.2 IP (5.78 IP/GS), 2.90 ERA (160 ERA+), 1.324 WHIP, 5.0 BB/9, 8.3 K/9, 1.64 K/BB, 5.1 bWAR, .267 BABIP, 4.03 FIP, 4.70 xFIP, 3.3 fWAR

              Buchholz: 28 starts, 173.2 IP (6.20 IP/GS), 2.33 ERA (187 ERA+), 3.5 BB/9, 6.2 K/9, 1.79 K/BB, 5.4 bWAR, .265 BABIP, 3.61 FIP, 4.20 xFIP, 3.7 fWAR

              Buchholz was decently better than Dice-K, particularly in the walks department, and I don’t expect him to crash nearly as hard. Still, he is probably due for some nice regression.

    • JGS says:


      {angry face}

  118. Avi says:

    Trevor Hoffman’s retiring. it’s about time!

  119. Gonzo says:

    Yankees not on 5 worst bunts of 2011!

  120. Jerome S. says:

    I keep hearing about Jeremy Hellickson on the Rays; anyone got some dirt on him?

  121. Jerome S. says:

    Whatever happened to O:S?

    We never use it anymore but it has become increasingly necessary…

  122. Dick Whitman says:

    I had a dream last night where my ex-girlfriend was marrying Jon Heyman and I did everything I could to stop it from happening, not because I continued to care for the girl, but because I couldn’t bear seeing anyone have to go through that torture. It woke me up at 4 in the morning. I need help.

  123. Tom Zig says:

    Question from Neyer’s chat:

    Who would you rather have the next 5 years of Jason Heyward or Justin Upton?

    • Thomas says:

      Tough choice, but I think I’d take Heyward. Heyward is younger and was better last season than Upton has been in any season. Also, Heyward strikes out much less than Upton.

  124. FIPster Doofus says:

    Paraphrasing something said earlier tonight on MLB Network: “Pettitte might not want to join the Yankees at midseason because they could be too far out of it by then.”

    Mitch Williams never ceases to amaze.

    • Accent Shallow says:

      Mitch Williams never ceases to amaze.

      If you’re in a job like that, you just throw a lot of shit at the wall to see what sticks.

      • JGS says:

        Williams would probably miss the wall though.

        He had the highest BB/9 (7.08) of any pitcher who ever threw 250 big league innings.

        • Accent Shallow says:

          He once had a season with a K/9 over 9, and a K/BB ratio less than one.

          (It was only ~20 innings. Whatever)

  125. Zack says:

    I can’t believe the Joba debate is back. Now I want Cashman to make a move just so it changes the subject for the next 6 weeks.

  126. The Real JobaWockeeZ says:

    Since Cashman never tells the truth Russell Martin is our starting catcher for at least 2 years.

    He said it would be a rare situation to trade Jesus. That means he texted every GM saying that he wants to get rid of Jesus.

  127. southeryankeefan says:

    Thank you to all wo gave apology advice two weeks ago. She didn’t forgive me but ce est la vie eh. Maybe in another 5 years. The pisser is I’d wait

    • Gonzo says:

      Keep at it. If I learned anything about women (I haven’t), it’s that women love to be desired. Keep letting her know that you can’t forget her and want her back.

      Don’t be a psycho stalker though.

      • SouthernYankeeFan says:

        I can’t decide if its worth the effort. All the effort and progress i made crashed down in one night. She is leaving the country for a year in a couple months. I just didn’t want her to hate me to the point she wouldn’t talk to me when she came back. She won’t talk to me now, but I don’t think she hates me so thats a plus.

  128. bexarama says:

    People have to stop calling Aaron Rodgers A-Rod

    • Jerome S. says:

      I know. I was in the other room and I heard A-Rod and ran in hoping to hear something about my dear childhood hero.

      Same with Andy Roddick in tennis.

  129. Jerome S. says:

    Truthfully, the Joba debacle is now reminiscent of Dave Righetti. Both of them are similar in that they are, against all logic, being prevented from being used in a role that would help a team in desperate need of it.
    However, they do differ. I don’t think that the Joba debacle is nearly as damaging to the team as the Righetti one.

  130. Gonzo says:

    Nats got Gorzelanny. Wonder if the Yanks were in on him. Burgess looks like the centerpiece to the deal.

  131. PaulF says:

    Can anyone tell me what a replacement level FIP is/was for an AL starter?

  132. mbonzo says:

    Armando Galarraga was designated for assignment. Comeon Yankees!

  133. Tom Zig says:

    Is it possible to win rookie of the year twice?

    (Leave the Volquez jokes at home, folks)

    Say by some freakish coincidence a pitcher comes up and throws 49 innings in his 44 days on the roster (and thus maintaining rookie status for the next year), and each appearance is a high leverage save situation, and obviously sometimes multiple innings. He winds up with 44 saves.

    Could he theoretically win rookie of the year in the first year and because he was still technically a rookie the next year, be eligible to win it again? Or would winning it the first year preclude him from winning it again?

    • Steve H says:

      That’s a good question. Feliz in 2009 threw 31 dominating innings but got no votes. If he had thrown 40 innings, with 30 saves, while pitching that well, he’d have won at least been a contender, right? So would he have then won it this year?

    • Steve H says:

      I know Gregg Jeffries did receive votes more than once (legitimately), but I’d guess there is something that would rule you out from winning it twice.

      • Tom Zig says:

        Interesting, didn’t know about that.

        I don’t recall seeing anything in the rules for rookie eligibility that you can only win it once. I mean it is presumed that you can win it only once, considering you typically have to log a good amount of service time. But if the freak coincidences occurred, it seems possible.

  134. JM says:

    The Mets are apparently close to getting Scott Hairston for a minor league deal. At that price, why wouldn’t the Yankees just get him?

  135. Mickey Scheister says:

    Soooo…per MLBTR, Cash considered Pavano?!? Really? Why? The Vasquez/N. Johnson second try not go so well, was it really nesscary to make that call. I’d prefer Mitre, for real for real.

  136. I am not the droids you're looking for says:

    Where the fuck is TSJC?

  137. Steve H says:

    Hello, Darrin. I think Betances or Banuelos are likely to get a shot before Brackman, who has never pitched above Double A for any extended length of time. Maybe 2012 for Brackman

    AA Innings:
    Brackman 80.2
    Banuelos 15.1
    Betances 14.1

    AAA Innings:
    Brackman 0
    Banuelos 0
    Betances 0

    Wally Matthews ladies and gentlemen.

    • Zack says:

      ESPN chats are brutal. The fact that people ask if Romine can win the starting C job in ST shows how bad they are at following propsects.

  138. Ruba_Doob says:

    peter gammons just said gio gonzalez for montero……WHAAAAAAAAAATTT

  139. I got bored in my finance class today, so I hopped on a computer and loaded up B-Ref. I looked at Pujols’ month-by-month splits, and his “worst” month this year was July. He only hit .267/.333/.515.

    In August he turned that right around, however, hitting .379/.453/.777.

  140. Xstar7 says:

    Looks are as much Yankees haters as ESPN.

    Look at what comes up when you search New York Yankees:

    And What comes up when you search Red Sox:

  141. Steve H says:

    Has any team, anywhere, at any time in history, ever messed up a valued prospect as badly as the Yankees have Joba Chamberlain?

    When that comes from a Boston columnist (Bob Ryan), it hurts even a little more.

  142. jsbrendog (returns) says:

    i agree with this sentiment

  143. bexarama says:

    This is quite long so apologies.

    So I found some random Yankee fan blog from 2004. It was mostly personal thoughts and writing, but then it had a bunch of excerpts that were verrrrry interesting:

    about A-Rod, from June/July, something like that:
    Rodriguez is more polished with his answers – he uttered the phrase “one game at a time” four times during a pregame interview, earning him an “A” in boringspeak – and he has caught on that the regular season is often just a preview of the more important one for the Yankees.

    on Game 2 of the ALDS:
    Then Tom Gordon and Mo Rivera couldn’t hold a 5-3 lead in the eighth and Hunter went deep in the 12th.

    Nathan walked Jeter on four pitches.

    First and second, one out.

    A-Rod at the plate.

    This was what he had come to New York for, games like this, a chance to show what he can do when it is all on the line. When he was asked to deliver the way Jeter always had. Rodriguez had lost to the Yankees in the playoffs when he was with the Mariners. Then he had watched Jeter and the rest of them from last place. Now here was one more chance to join the party.

    Win a game like this.….

    Nathan threw him a ball and then a strike and then A-Rod hit one toward the “399 ft.” sign, white on blue, in deep left-center. On the way to the monuments. On the way to the other great Yankees. Rodriguez came out of the batter’s box as though he thought he had hit another home run, done a Reggie turn to end this one…..

    A-Rod stayed at second. It was 6-all. Nathan walked Sheffield intentionally. You could see A-Rod standing there on second base, looking around, the crowd crazy now, knowing the Yankees were about to even the series.

    Knowing this was another one of those nights. …

    Jeter slid across home plate. Home run into the black to start, a slide in the dirt to end it. Yankees 7, Twins 6. A-Rod had a night. He kept downplaying it afterward. He had his Yankee night. Series even.

    and on the trade deadline, written July 20, 2004:
    As for the Red Sox, Johnson’s disinclination to reunite with Curt Schilling has been well-documented, and you can be sure that the entire Fenway nuthouse of pampered stars and disgruntled free agents-to-be has little appeal for him. The more things change, the more they remain the same in Beantown where Red Sox manager Terry (The Enabler) Francona elected last week to give Pedro Martinez an extra day of his annual week long midseason vacation to the Dominican Republic by pitching Derek Lowe (who got bombed by the Angels) in the first game back. Francona insisted that was always the plan, but suspicions abounded that the Red Sox were concerned Pedro wouldn’t make it back in time to pitch the second-half opener.

    It’s kind of sadly hilarious. All we hear about with that 2004 Red Sox team were how they were a group of scrappy Idiots who prevailed over the Yankees because of sheer TEAMWORK, and how Francona is a super genius. Turns out they were only that because, you know, they won, and three months earlier they were all so disgruntled, and Francona couldn’t hold the clubhouse together.

    And the A-Rod stuff actually made me kinda sad – do journalists build heroes up only to tear them down, or what? There were a lot of other “THIS IS A-ROD’S YANKEE MOMENT” things too.

  144. Steve H says:

    The 1993 Dodgers had 4 pitchers make 30+ starts with an ERA under 3.60. 3 were under .500. Pitcher wins FTL.

  145. Steve H says:

    a veteran baseball person said “Eckstein is one of those guys who makes every team he plays for better because he plays with such energy and emotion. He’s obviously short on skill set compared to Hudson, but sometimes that doesn’t translate to a better player.’’

    Do people believe this shit?

  146. Xstar7 says:

    It must suck to be a Jets fan.

    • Zack says:

      It must suck to be Jay Cutler.

      Apparently no type of knee injury should knock him out of a game, because he’s “soft” after taking 52 sacks this year.

      • Xstar7 says:

        It must suck to be a Bears fan too.

        • Pat D says:

          I have two good friends who are Bears fans. They’re not mad at Cutler. They seem to be blaming Martz for Sunday’s loss, but they also told me they’d rather see Lovie Smith go and Martz stay as O.C.

          I haven’t been able to wrap my head around that one yet.

          • Jimmy McNulty says:

            Here’s the logic behind that:

            While Martz had a bad game as OC, clearly him and Cutler are starting to click. Lovie Smith has the team underprepared for big games and has done about all he can do as headcoach for the Bears. Not that I agree with that, but that’s the thinking.

            • Pat D says:

              Good points.

              I just have this thing against Mike Martz, and can’t fathom people defending him is all.

          • bexarama says:

            while I don’t really know enough about football to talk intelligently about this, it’s possible Martz did a good job all year, just not in this particular game.

  147. rbizzler says:

    Jeff Passan just posted this piece on Voros McCracken, the pioneering saber guy in the field of DIPS (now FIP).It is a good read, if not a little sad and disturbing. He seems like a brilliant guy who is paralyzed at times by his own mind.

    • Tank the Frank says:

      Does this all but eliminate the possibility of the Yankees trading for him? His salary is still respectable. The Astros won’t be contending this season or next.

      But I guess if the Astros were a) looking for salary relief or b) thinking of trading him they wouldn’t have signed him for three years.

  148. Chop It Up says:

    Does Cashman have like this alter ego where he throws on a bandana and spikes up his hair? He looked the same way when he was practicing the elf thing and now on the backpage of the NY Daily News. It’s actually kind of bad ass.

  149. Jamie says:

    Anyone know what the big news that morgan ensberg was going to spill last night about a Yankee on his radio show?

  150. DCBX says:

    Shaolin Monk Throws Needle Through Glass

    I bet this guy could be an upgrade over Mitre with a little training. :p

  151. JGS says:

    Re: Ori M from the Link Dump thread–They sent out an email this morning saying class was still on. I went in to find a sign on the door that said class was canceled.

  152. JGS says:

    Mason Williams

      • JGS says:

        Someone posted totally off-topic in one of the threads asking who Klaw’s sleeper prospect was for the Yankees, so I posted this here and then responded to the guy, linking here. Then his off-topic post (and my reply to it, linking here) were deleted, making this look very strange.

  153. Joseph Cecala says:

    Can we please get rid of Randy Levine? His latest comments make him look even dumber.

    • Tom Zig says:

      He is quite the comedian. He is fantastic when he isn’t making baseball decisions. He is the protector of the realm. A sort of consigliere to the Steinbrenners.

    • Zack says:

      I’m not a fan of Levine, but not because of those comments.

    • Pat D says:

      I hate Randy Levine, but not today.

      Not that Greenberg’s comments were really all that incendiary, the fact that he thinks his constant talking to Lee allowed another team to steal him away from the Yankees is pretty dumb. Obviously Lee was just waiting for the Phillies to make an offer close enough to the Yankees so that he could justify taking it. Greenberg is trying to save face being that the Rangers gave up a bunch of prospects to rent Lee, didn’t get the ring, and are looking at a likely regression.

      That being said, in this case I think Levine’s comments were hilarious. They were basically a big middle finger to Greenberg, who quite frankly deserves it.

      And now that that has been said, I once again say both Levine and Lonn Trost are worthless and should be fired, if it wasn’t for the Steinbrothers feeling that they’re still important now that the new stadium has been built.

  154. cano is the bro says:

    chuck greenberg is a clown. Dude seriously is obsessed with the yankees, it comes off as unprofessional.

  155. bexarama says:

    This just randomly popped up in an RSS reader I have right now. Pretty fucking funny in retrospect.
    April 27, 2009

    Needing a win, the latest edition of the Bronx Bombers sent an aged veteran, Andy Pettitte, to the mound. The fact that the Yankees sent a hero of the 90s to the hill in a must-win situation speaks to the organization’s lack of foresight over the last 10 years.

    Orrrrr that it was his turn through the rotation

    The Sox called on a home-grown product with zero big-game starting experience, Justin Masterson. Once again, the Sox proved that past glory and inflated payroll does not trump superior scouting and player development.

    reigning 18-game winner Daisuke Matsuzaka (another genius coupe for Epstein and Co.),
    this sentence phrase is not tongue-in-cheek

    Few would take Lowell over Alex Rodriguez as the final piece for a World Series title team. But Lowell will always be able to fall back on his 2007 World Series MVP distinction.
    So even though Lowell sucks now, he’s a ~WS MVP~. But Pettitte’s former success (let’s ignore that he’s still a good pitcher) is irrelevant!

    When Theo Epstein assembled a team that is now the definitive superior to the Yankees, he looked for young players who knew nothing of the history between the Red Sox and Yankees.
    a. definitive superior heh heh heh
    b. wha?

    Derek Jeter represented the Yankees with an error-free effort at shortstop.
    This really made me laugh. I don’t even know why.

    Masterson and Ellsbury rung in the new era of Sox domination.

    • bexarama says:

      Oh, what makes this really funny? I looked through his other archives and even though he’s writing for WEEI, dude isn’t even a Red Sox fan. He’s a Philly fan. Hoped you enjoyed those inferior Yankees slicing through your Phils in October and November.

      • Wil Nieves #1 Fan says:

        Thanks for posting, Bexy. This one got a few good laughs out of me. Although, I have to admit, I couldn’t laugh at the Daisuke-genius comment since it irritated the shit out of me.

        Is there a specific section dedicated to self indulgent, idiotic articles such at this?

  156. Pat D says:

    Woo hoo! I hope he disappears from B-Ref, too.

  157. Jimmy McNulty says:

    Terez Owens says that A-Rod is going to propose to Cameron Diaz on Valentine’s Day.

  158. FIPster Doofus says:

    Rob Neyer is done at ESPN for some reason. He’s a smart guy, but I won’t miss his anti-Yankees slant.

    • Esteban says:

      Sure he’s stated he dislikes the Yankees but I never thought tht got in the way of analyzing them honestly.

      • Steve H says:

        I think it did at times. When he recommended suspending Jeter for acting like he got hit by a pitch, it was pretty ridiculous. He had 3 or 4 anti-Yankee things in a week and I just stopped reading him. At least he admits he hates the Yankees though.

        • Pat D says:

          Yea, I thought that was the laughable low point of his Yankees hate. Frankly that was the only time recently I could remember it being that bad.

          I’ll miss him being on ESPN, because he always found a way to be reasonable and entertaining.

        • Esteban says:

          Ha, I forgot about that so maybe you’re right, but yea, at least he lets his biases known. I wish all journalists, in all realms, did that.

  159. Zack says:

    In Houston watching Carl Crawford do crunches with a 100-lb weight on his chest. He’s a beast.

    Didn’t he forget to add #tweetsfrom1998?

  160. Ruba_Doob says:

    mlbnetwork top 10 right now managers #1 terry francona, thoughts on the order?

    • Pat D says:

      What was the order?

      • bexarama says:

        I found this by Googling so if it’s wrong don’t sue me:
        1. Terry Francona
        2. Mike Scioscia
        3. Ron Gardenhire
        4. Charlie Manuel
        5. Tony La Russa
        6. Bruce Bochy
        7. Dusty Baker
        8. Buck Showalter
        9. Bud Black
        10. Joe Girardi

        lol wut. That’s awful. Girardi’s much better than #10, and some guys on there are legitimately not good managers (Baker, La Russa at this point in his career). Also, I think Joe Maddon is overrated, but he’s a fine manager (and should be on this list). Some of these guys just are not.

        • Pat D says:

          I don’t know if I’d put Francona at 1, but after looking at this list, I’m not sure who else I would. Scioscia and Gardenhire, to me, are a bit overrated, but I’d probably still have them top 10. Charlie Manuel has never struck me as a good manager. La Russa, like you said, is riding on his reputation now. I’ve liked Bruce Bochy, not gonna argue him. Dusty Baker? Apologies for violating my principles, but LMFAO. He was never a good manager. Not gonna argue Buck, Bud or Joltin’ Joe.

          Not sure who I’d move onto this list other than Joe Maddon. Leyland maybe? Not Ron Washington. Can’t say retreads like Fredi Gonzalez or Eric Wedge. Lots of rookie managers now, too, so they can’t qualify.

          Jeez, I guess there really aren’t that many good managers in the game right now. Hell, even Torre, Cox and Piniella were all coasting last year, for the most part.

          • Jerome S. says:

            I think that as Yankees fans we automatically hate Francona (and rightfully so). But he’s definitely one of the best.

            • bexarama says:

              I don’t hate Francona at all, though I do hate how every damn time the Yankees play the Red Sox we have to hear about how 2004 was the finest management job of all time. A lot of (smart) Red Sox fans really don’t seem to like his bullpen management, though. But I think he’s a pretty good manager.

              I really don’t know who the #1 manager is. This isn’t like position players, it’s a lot harder to rank. I would’ve just made a list of ten in general and then ran them off.

              • Jerome S. says:

                seriously, what manager does seem to manage the bullpen well? Everywhere I go it’s either a Girardi or a Torre, overworking them or making 40 changes an inning.

              • Thomas says:

                You almost have to do the rankings as different levels of managers, where each level is filled with essentially equal managers. Thus, there is no ranking within a level, bu the difference between levels is quite large. I’d have the top level as Bochy, Girardi, Francona, Maddon, Gardenhire, Showalter, and Black. The next level would be the solid guys like Manuel, Gaston, Macha, etc. Then I’d have the new guys or solid retreads. Finally, the last level would be the lousy managers (Baker, Scoisca, LaRussa).

  161. Kevin says:

    Oscar Salazar was just DFA’d by San Diego. I think he joins Willy Aybar on the list of better uses of the last bench spot than Nunez.

  162. Jerome S. says:

    Neyer to SBNation.


    • Tom Zig says:

      Yeah kind of random. Why SBNation?

      • Pat D says:

        More freedom? Don’t have to worry about offending people at ESPN, who, for as much good content and writers that they have, seem to be touchy and get offended very easily?

        First time I’ve been to that site, that I can recall. Gotta say not a fan of their formatting. But I’ll have to keep going there since I still want to read Neyer’s work.

  163. rbizzler says:

    I have seen this in a few different spots on the ‘tubes today, but I thought it was worth sharing. It is a little crass and maybe not fit for more conservative types. Enjoy.

    • Jerome S. says:



      Everyone needs to see this.

    • Pat D says:

      My dad is in the middle of reading that book right now, I had him look ahead to see if that was mentioned in the book.

      Sure enough, it was. My dad just chuckled and said that wasn’t even close to being the “worst” thing about him.

  164. Jerome S. says:

    How about Pedro as a second-half pitcher? I know, the world would shit it’s pants, but in my opinion he’d ask for too much anyway.

  165. Zack says:

    So Jet fans are going to be signing a different tune now huh? No more “I don’t care if Big Ben wasn’t convicted, he’s guilty! Would you let your daughter date him!? I think not! Guilty!”

  166. sleepykarl says:

    Anyone see the John Manuel top 50 Prospects?
    3) Montero
    17) Sanchez
    18) Betances
    20) Banuelos

  167. JGS says:

    So apparently the Wilpons offered Madoff a piece of the team when they bought out Doubleday in 2002.

    This is not going to end well for them.

  168. Jimmy McNulty says:

    Gary Moore died. Sad shit, great musician. Died when he was only 58, from what I recall he wasn’t a crazy ass dude. Charlie Sheen and Keith Richards are still kicking and Gary Moore died. Crazy world.

  169. Pat D says:

    So Michael Young wants a trade and not to be a DH.

    Color me unsurprised. But remember, he’s a great teammate and a consummate professional.

  170. This is killing me. “He’s the closest thing to Randy Johnson you’ll see,” Chipper Jones said. “He’s legit.”

    • Pat D says:

      Well…look at his stats from 2004. He was pretty darn great that year.

      Just been downhill from there. Not the first, not the last young pitcher to get those great comparisons and then fall off the cliff. At least he achieved some success, as most young pitchers who get those comparisons never do.

      • JGS says:

        Ollie is one of only seven pitchers in baseball history to pitch 1000+ innings and strike out more than one batter per inning. The others are Randy Johnson, Kerry Wood, Pedro Martinez, Nolan Ryan, Trevor Hoffman, and Sandy Koufax.

        This is probably my all time favorite stat.

        • Jose the Satirist says:

          Tim Lincecum is poised to join that group very soon. Billy Wagner would be in the number one spot with 97 more innings. I’m surprised he retired after such a great season.

        • Accent Shallow says:

          One of these things is not like the other . . .

          It’s Trevor Hoffman, who is hilariously overrated.

          • JGS says:

            I’d say Ollie is the one who is not like the others. Hoffman, while hilariously overrated, was still a good pitcher.

  171. RAB fantasy baseball? Yahoo! is open for reg…

  172. Dirt says:

    Leslie Anderson? He’s already 28, but the Rays just DFA’d him. He’s a lefty and hit .302/.359/.442 with 31 extra base hits across three levels last year.

  173. Timber says:

    A wonderful moment in sports: Kevin Jordan, a guy the Yankees drafted, but didn’t sign in the 2010 MLB Draft in th 19th round, was given a kidney from his coach at Wake Forest.;catid=13

  174. Angelo says:

    Does anyone understand Yahoo’s “head-to-head point system.”

    Yeah,I know. Most people don’t like points. But my average baseball friends comprehend it much better. And an all points league is just plain terrible.

    I’m trying to figure out if you get wins per statistic (HR, SB,etc.) or if you get 1 win for accumulating more points than your opponent for the week. The latter would seem to make the most sense, but I need confirmation from someone who has tried this setup before.

    Please help! Thanks in advance.

    • Johnny O says:

      Just like football – you get 1 win for scoring more points than your oppornent that week. So if there’s 24 weeks in a season, your final record will be something like 14-10 or 12-9-3.

  175. Esteban says:

    Frankie Piliere has his top 100 out. Jesus is 4, Manny B is 13, Gary Sanchez is 34, Betances is 44, Brackman is 60,

  176. cano is the bro says:

    haha so apparently Arod was pissed about being caught on camera with cameron diaz feeding him popcorn during the superbowl

  177. cano is the bro says:

    What does everyone think of UCLA pitcher Trevor Bauer? Does anyone think a guy like that could fall out of the first round to the yankees? If we had our first rounder we’d have a better chance of drafting a top 10-15 guy that fell a little bit. Oh well…

  178. Mike HC says:

    I’m starting to look forward to RAB fantasy baseball again this year. Mike Axisa’s team, who came in second last year in the Premier League, will return Hanley Ramirez, Carlos Gonzalez and Cano as his keepers. Ranked numbers 2, 8, and 9, respectively, in the Yahoo rankings. He will have some team next year.

    • Mike HC says:

      I should add that this is a 20 person league, for those that don’t know about the RAB fantasy baseball leagues.

  179. Meat Loaf says:

    I can has new off topic thread?

  180. Zack says:

    An article defending the Greatest Team Player Ever? Not shocked.
    Beltre is replacing an already “adequate 3B”, Napoli is “robbing” Young of ABs at DH, “why shouldn’t he demad a trade?”, and Beltre/Napoli won’t replace the 50 HR and 206 RBIs that Young/Vlad provided.

    • bexarama says:

      I’m looking at the sidebar and I see Jeff Passan wrote the preview for the Yankees. File that under #thingsiwillneverread

      • JGS says:

        They [Phillies] churn out consistently good minor league prospects year after year

        Phillies prospects to debut more recently than 2006:

        Domonic Brown

        I guess Kyle Kendrick and JA Happ also, but they said “good”.

        • Zack says:

          Yeah but he said consistently, so it must be true.

        • bexarama says:

          Yeah, and Brown had 70 PA with a line of .210/.257/.355/.612, a 63 OPS+. He was worth -0.6 WAR. I think he’s going to be a good player but let’s wait a bit before we crown his ass (directed toward Passan, not you).

          • bexarama says:

            Also, wow, Kyle Kendrick sucks. 92 ERA+, 216 strikeouts in his career (of 483.2 innings) for a 4.0 K/9 career. He’s been worth negative WAR. A lot of the good is from 2007, too, he’s been even worse (85 ERA+ since then).

  181. Tom Zig says:

    Wow it’s been a full year since the first off-topic thread.

    • Esteban says:

      Fifty years from now, we will look back and say “Where were you when RAB unveiled its first off-topic thread?”