Mailbag: Castro, Russell, Six-Man Rotation, Jeter

Yankees 6, Orioles 5: Jeter walks off in final game at Yankee Stadium
Jeter shows his human side before storybook ending

Seven questions and six answers this week, the final mailbag of the 2014 regular season. Don’t worry, the mailbag continues in the offseason. This is a year ’round feature. Use the Submit A Tip box in the sidebar to send us anything throughout the week.

Castro. (Jeff Gross/Getty)
Castro. (Jeff Gross/Getty)

Dustin asks: If the Yankees prefer a long-term solution at shortstop to a free agent, what would it take to pry either Starlin Castro or Addison Russell from the Cubs?

Even though there are a ton of quality shortstops set to hit free agency this winter, I think trading for a younger, more long-term solution at the position is something the Yankees should pursue. The Diamondbacks and Cubs have a stockpile of young shortstops but Chicago’s group is better, mostly because they’re more high-ceiling players. I like Chris Owings a lot, but he’s no Castro or Russell. Or even Javier Baez, who’s been awful so far in his MLB career (51 wRC+ and 41.9 K%) and has always had very high bust potential because of his plate indiscipline.

Castro, who is still only 24, rebounded nicely from his down 2013 season to hit .292/.339/.438 (115 wRC+) with 14 homers this year. He’s played in 740 of 778 possible games since making his debut — most of his missed games have come this month due to an ankle sprain — and while he’s not a great defender, he isn’t as bad as his reputation either. Plus he’s under contract through 2019 for a total of $44M. Castro is young, he’s productive, he’s durable, and he’s signed cheaply for another half-decade. He’s someone the Yankees should be very interested in if he’s made available.

Russell is just the prospect, on the other hand. A great prospect, but a prospect nonetheless. He is a riskier of the two shortstops. The price for Russell has already been established, right? Basically a Jeff Samardzija caliber pitcher. It’s worth noting the Cubs balked when the Phillies asked for Russell in Cole Hamels trade talks last month, according to Gordon Wittenmyer. (Hamels’ salary came into play there.) Castro should be similarly expensive. The Yankees aren’t getting these guys with David Phelps and a prospect. Michael Pineda would have to be on the table and you know what? I’m not against that given his shoulder history. I’d prefer Castro to Russell ever so slightly but would be thrilled with either.

nycsportzfan asks: I was wondering if you thought we should trade Shane Greene while his value could be at his greatest this offseason? He could be almost a centerpiece for a mid-rotation guy (Matt Latos, Mike Leake, Tyson Ross, etc.), really.

Mark asks: Would you rather see the Yankees sign a big free agent starter this offseason or acquire a starter in a trade. Some of the Reds’ starters could be interesting targets.

Gonna lump these two together. Greene was very good this season up until his disaster final starter earlier this week. I wouldn’t be opposed to trading him at all but the Yankees can’t afford to give him away either. Their 2015 rotation options are risky and they’ll need the depth. I also don’t think his trade value is high enough to be the centerpiece of a package for a guy like Latos or Ross either. Greene is only one year younger than Latos and two years younger than Ross, remember. We’re not talking about a 22 or 23-year-old here. I’m not sure his trade value is all that high on his own. Definitely not high enough to land a real difference maker.

Cueto. (Jason Miller/Getty)
Cueto. (Jason Miller/Getty)

Four of the Reds’ five starting pitchers are due to be free agents after next season — Latos, Leake, Johnny Cueto, and Alfredo Simon. They do have Homer Bailey signed long-term and Tony Cingrani under team control, but still, losing four starters is tough. Cincinnati is a medium payroll team ($114M in 2014) that already has $70M on the books for just four players in 2016 (Bailey, Joey Votto, Jay Bruce, Brandon Phillips), so re-signing all four of those starters will be impossible. Heck, re-signing just one of Latos or Cueto will be tough. Speculation is they will trade at least one of those two to clear payroll and fill other roster holes this winter and obviously either would make sense for the Yankees. Expect a lot of trade chatter about the Reds’ starters this winter and expect the Bombers to be involved.

Paul asks: Say the Yankees made the playoffs, how scary would be a rotation of Masahiro Tanaka, Pineda, Brandon McCarthy and Hiroki Kuroda/Green be?

Yeah, that rotation would be pretty dynamite in a short series, at least on paper. Who knows what would happen in the actual games. I’d use Kuroda as the fourth starter and put Greene in the bullpen as a multi-inning guy. Joe Girardi would be able to lean heavily on David Robertson, Dellin Betances, and Adam Warren in a short postseason series with built in off-days, so the pitching staff could have been excellent. Too bad the Yankees couldn’t hit at all this year. Thinking about what could have been with this pitching staff is a bummer.

Kevin asks: I have forever been against the idea of a 6-man rotation, however going to next year I don’t think it could make much more sense. CC Sabathia, Pineda, Tanaka and Kuroda (aqssuming return) would all benefit greatly from the extra day for one reason or another. What are your thoughts and do you see the Yankees pursuing this?

There have already been reports indicating the Yankees are considering a six-man rotation for next season as way to give their starters extra rest. Tanaka (elbow), Pineda (shoulder), Phelps (elbow), Sabathia (knee), and Ivan Nova (elbow) all have injury concerns and could benefit from working in a six-man rotation. How much would the extra day of rest help keep them healthy? Who knows. It’s worth noting pitchers across the league this year have actually performed slightly worst with an extra day of rest than on normal rest.

The Yankees would have to use a three-man bench to make a six-man rotation happen — nothing they’ve done in recent years makes me think they would go with a four-man bench and a six-man bullpen — and that’s doable because players like Martin Prado provide some versatility. They’d have to come up with a similarly versatile backup infielder and have a backup catcher who could maybe play a little first base and left field. I don’t love the idea of taking starts away from Tanaka and Pineda — the difference between a five-man rotation and a six-man rotation is about five starts across the 162-game season — but if it helps keep them healthy, it might be the best course of action. I don’t think there’s a clear right answer here. This is a very debatable topic.

(Jim McIsaac/Getty)
(Jim McIsaac/Getty)

Stephen asks: Now that we know how many we’ll have this season, I’m curious what the percentage is for how many of Jeter’s games played were “meaningless games” — those in which the Yankees were already eliminated from postseason contention. I’d bet it’s probably close to 1%, right?

The Yankees were eliminated from postseason contention in Game 157 back in 2008 and in Game 158 this year, so that’s nine meaningless games between those two seasons. Jeter was injured last year when the Yankees were eliminated and didn’t play in any of those meaningless games. He’s played 2,745 total regular season games in his career, so less than 1% have been meaningless — 0.0033% of his games have come with the Yankees mathematically eliminated from postseason contention. That is: crazy.

Update: Reader @Fgerlando points out Jorge Posada played zero meaningless games in his career. He was hurt at the end of the 2008 season and did not play.

Randy asks: Do you think Jeter will get a monument? Do you think he deserves one?

I was thinking about this yesterday and decided against including it in the thoughts post. Right now there are monuments for Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Mickey Mantle, Joe DiMaggio, Miller Huggins, and George Steinbrenner in Monument Park. All of them were dedicated posthumously. If the Yankees decide to add a monument for Jeter after he retires, he’ll be the first person to have one dedicated in his honor while still alive. So, really, this question is asking whether he will be worthy of a monument in 40, 50, 60 something years. My answer is yes. Jeter is the greatest Yankee since Mantle and he was at the core of their most recent dynasty. If he isn’t worthy of a monument, I’m not sure how anyone else would be.

Yankees 6, Orioles 5: Jeter walks off in final game at Yankee Stadium
Jeter shows his human side before storybook ending
  • Michael Pineddarda

    I get a kick out of these people who complain the Yankee never develop any MLB ready talent through their farm and then the one time they do in Shane Green the first thing they want to do is trade him away. Why not keep him and develop his talents? Is he too young for this ballclub? We need the youth. The starting rotation is going to be the bright spot with all the young arms. Let’s keep it together.

    If they had just been able to get into the postseason they had a chance with their rotation and Delin/Drob at the end. It was always the hitting and everyday lineup that was the problem and that is Cashman’s greatest failure.

    I’d go to the 6 man to cater to the Ace, Tanaka. He is used to pitching once a week so the 6 man would work best – Tanaka, Pineda, McCarthy, BGDP, Greene, CC. CC’s not even a 5th starter anymore but a 6th starter he might be able to pull off. I think Hiroki’s done.

    Jeter deserves a monument as does Mariano. These were 2 of the all time greats in their generation. Monuments are reserved for all time greats like these 2. Plaques will be given to Jorgie, Andy, Bernie, ballplayers that were essential to the Yankee dynasty in the previous generation but not all time greats like Jeter and Mo.

  • LiamInAlbany

    I think you meant to say Castro is under contract with the Cubs until 2021

  • Bret The Hitman

    If the plan is to sign Lester while preserving a draft pick, absolutely Pineda becomes the biggest trade chip for a shortstop.

    • blake

      that’s kinda robbing Peter to pay Paul though…..plus given Pineda’s injury history I’m not sure you’re getting the type of SS they need.

      • Bret The Hitman

        see my post above in response to YS guy. And I do think Pineda has legit trade value. It could be even higher by the deadline next year if they want to wait for better offers. If he’s pitched healthy, he’ll be an all-star.

        • blake

          yea again though why would they want to trade him then? I just think it’d be hard to get fair value back given his injury history. When healthy he’s pitched like a 25 year old front of the rotation starter…..unless a team is going to pay you that price then I don’t think you can trade him. I’d need back like Kris Bryant or something to do it….

          • Bret The Hitman

            I’d trade a young all-star pitcher for Castro if I had Lester-Tanaka as my 1-2.

  • Bret The Hitman

    If they sign Lester I think they’re in position to trade Pineda or Greene. A 6th man rotation would kick in around midseason when Nova returns and the arms start tiring. You could start with 5 and end with 6.

    1st half

    Lester
    Tanaka
    Pineda/Greene
    CC
    McCarthy

    2nd half

    Lester
    Tanaka
    Pineda/Greene
    Nova
    CC
    McCarthy

    • Y’s Guy

      trade the young, under control pitcher and overpay an older one for too many years. Bad planning and the kind of thinking that has us out of the PS now.

      • Bret The Hitman

        The idea could be to trade the injury prone pitcher (Pineda) replace him with a top rotation guy who stays healthy (Lester) and replaces CC (injury prone) with a big game lefty for a young shortstop under control. You solve shortstop, get younger at shortstop and while getting older in the rotation you reduce your injury risk. It’s not as bad as you make it seem.

        • Y’s Guy

          In 2 or 3 seasons, that will be reversed, Lester will be an overpaid declining player and Pineda will win a Cy Young Award.

          • Y’s Guy

            should have typed in 4 or 5 seasons, both will be top pitchers in 2-3 years. Same point, from this point on, anyone would be much better off to own Pineda than Lester.

            • Bret The Hitman

              Assuming health but I won’t.

              • Y’s Guy

                yes you have to assume health, which is totally unpredictable for all pitchers (remember that Lester had health issues early and has become a stud). But there is also the small matter of something like $23M difference in pay next year.

                • Bret The Hitman

                  I agree health his unpredictable for pitchers, which is essentially what makes Pineda for a young shortstop (like Castro) potentially a coup. Otherwise you have to overpay on the free agent market or strip the farm. I like Pineda as much as you do but if I can get a stable commodity like a young cost controlled shortstop I wouldn’t flinch – especially if the top of my rotation featured Lester – Tanaka.

    • Masahiro Nakamura

      Why in the world would they sign Lester to a 5+ year deal and then trade one of their most promising YOUNG pitchers?

      • Bret The Hitman

        Did you forget who Pineda would be traded for or that we need a young shortstop?

  • blake

    I just don’t think the Cubs will trade Castro….he’s good and cheaply controlled. He’s the sort of player it would be difficult to get fair value back for IMO.

    I also think Jeter will get a monument….and he’ll get one sooner rather than later….certainly while he’s alive.

    • 86w183

      If Hal didn’t dedicate a monument to his father while George was still alive I cannot believe he or anyone else would do for Jeter or Mariano or anyone else.

      His number will be retired in 2015 or ’16.

      As a kid the first three monuments were in play in CF. I thought they were tombstones.

      • blake

        I mean how much time did Hal have before he died? a couple of years……I dont’ think they are gonna wait 40 or 50 year’s to give Jeter a monument….JMO

        • 86w183

          They did for Joe Dimaggio. They did for Mickey Mantle.

          • http://batman-news.com Thunderfingers

            I agree. I think it will be sooner rather than later for Jeter.

      • http://batman-news.com Thunderfingers

        Crazy that those were in play, wasn’t it? It was odd when the moved the CF fence in, but I can certainly understand why it was done. Certainly a lot safer in CF after that.

    • Wave Your Hat

      They shouldn’t give a monument to Jeter while Yogi is alive, because they never gave one to Yogi.

  • blake

    Bald Vinny is retiring too?

    • Drew

      If true, I will be ecstatic that I no longer have to see that egomaniac when I get off the D train getting to the stadium.

  • Rob Doney

    I think the Yankees need to do two things this offseason. They need to sign JJ Hardy and Nelson Cruz. That’s all. It solves all of their defensive and offensive woes.
    Ellsbury
    Prado
    Rodriguez
    Tex
    Cruz
    McCann
    Headley
    Hardy
    Gardner
    say bye bye to Ichiro and Jeter.

    • Mandy Stankiewicz

      Did you like the Beltran signing? Because signing Cruz is exactly what that signing looked like 1 year ago, similar numbers at seasons end (CB: .296/.830 vs NC: .273/.863) just 1 year younger (will be 35 mid-next year) and with PED history. He will require 3 years easily after this year, and spent half this year at DH.

      • Y’s Guy

        Not exactly true, first of all, Cruz is 2 years younger than Beltran was when the yankees signed him, and second, while the ratio #’s are similar, Cruz hit 40 bombs this year while the 2 year older Beltran only hit 24 the year before the Yankees signed him.

        • Mandy Stankiewicz

          …with 50+ more SO’s than Beltran.

          • Y’s Guy

            and 24 more rbis.

            • Mandy Stankiewicz

              Beltran has 30% more mole

              • Y’s Guy

                i dont think the Yankees are interested in Cruz because they’re already very sensitive about having Arod back and also because I believe the O’s want Cruz and Cruz wants to go back to the O’s. But I still don’t think its a very even comp.

                • Mandy Stankiewicz

                  Ah–I really thought the age was closer. I don’t think the Yanks want to touch the PED guys either (last year was embarrassing) Milk Man included.

    • blake

      yea I don’t think it solves all their offensive woes and it makes them a lot more expensive and also likely gives away yet another first round pick.

      The Yankees shouldn’t sign anyone this winter that loses that pick IMO…..they have other options to sign that doesn’t require it and if they are ever going to get younger and cheaper then they have to start keeping their picks.

      • 86w183

        I felt more strongly about this issue last year than this year.

        This year’s draft was much stronger in top end talent than next year’s is projected to be.

        • blake

          sure but it’s a step…..you have to start somehwere

    • pfunk42529

      So you want them to sign Headley too, since he is a FA.

    • oldguy

      Hardy is a good player. However, he has been playing with a bad back all year. He has lost his power, almost completely. Here in Md, the O’s fans are ready for Hardy to go and not that unhappy about it. They feel he is on the downside, physically and not worth a big contract.

    • Lou Zullo

      Only way I see to get out an under is to eat ARod or Tex’s contract, trade Gardy, sign SS, keep Headley, Beltran to RF or DH depending on what happens with ARod/Tex

    • Douglas Rau

      No way A-Rod bats third after missing the past 2 seasons.

  • BUDDHABING0

    What kind of package would it take to get Addison Russell? Sanchez, Warren and Phelps?

    • Pkyankfan69

      We should have traded Cano for Russell at the TD last year when the A’s were running the immortal Eric Sogard out at 2B. And no this is not Monday morning quarterbacking, I suggested Cano for Russell and Sonny Gray at the time. No way to know if the A’s would have done something like that but it’s something we should have at least looked at.

      • Mayan Brickann

        Doubt the A’s would have agreed to such a deal. Only reason they traded him for Samardjiza (sp?) is that he had an additional season left on his contract. They weren’t trading high quality for one year or less of Cano

        • Pkyankfan69

          Is 1-1/2 years of Samardzija that much more valuable than 1/2 year of Cano?… Also, at the time Gray and Russell were not as valuable as when the A’s made he Russell deal… I doubt we could have gotten them both for a 1/2 year of Cano when the A’s were making a playoff push, but to me one of them doesn’t sound unreasonable.

          • Mayan Brickann

            Yes. There’s no way that deal gets close to being made. The time to trade Cano for high end prospects was 7/31/2012 or earlier. Once you got past that, it was over.

            • Mayan Brickann

              And by “yes” I meant that a year and a half of Samardzija is more valuable than 2 months of Cano.

            • Mayan Brickann

              And by “yes” I meant that a year and a half of Samardzija is more valuable than 2 months of Cano.

            • Pkyankfan69

              Right, trades like a 1/2 year of Beltran for Wheeler never happen.

              • Mayan Brickann

                Kazmir for Zambrano back in the day too. Stupid trades happen, but they don’t happen often. Especially with a team like the A’s who have to be so budget conscious.

          • Mayan Brickann

            Yes. There’s no way that deal gets close to being made. The time to trade Cano for high end prospects was 7/31/2012 or earlier. Once you got past that, it was over.

          • Frodo

            A’s desperate for pitching this year, and that extra year of Samardzja gives them an opportunity to trade him this offseason

      • Mayan Brickann

        Doubt the A’s would have agreed to such a deal. Only reason they traded him for Samardjiza (sp?) is that he had an additional season left on his contract. They weren’t trading high quality for one year or less of Cano

    • Mayan Brickann

      Pineda.

      • BUDDHABING0

        Pineda gets you more than Russel no? Is Russell that much of a can’t miss prospect?

        • Dalek Jeter

          I think it takes Pineda plus. Idk plus what…but Russel was traded for Samardzija, who even though is older than Pineda and has 2 years less team control didn’t miss most of the last 3 seasons with injuries in or related to the shoulder.

          • BUDDHABING0

            Samardzija isn’t that great a pitcher to be honest with you. Getting Russell for him wouldn’t necessarily reflect highly on Russells prospect status in my opinion.

        • Mayan Brickann

          No he doesn’t. Russell is that much of a can’t miss guy. The A’s traded him straight up for Samardzija, who based on resume to date brings more to the table than Pineda. Given Pineda’s injury history it might take more than him.

          • BUDDHABING0

            Sanchez, Jorge Mateo and Gardner couldn’t get it done?

            • Mayan Brickann

              As none of those guys pitch, I’d guess the answer is no.

              • BUDDHABING0

                In terms of talent. Trying to gauge what Russell is worth.

  • Bigdan

    Last winter a few folks said the Yanks should sign a couple free agent pitchers and trade Nova. Even some said they had info that such a strategy was being considered by the Yankee FO. What did I say? Nuts. The Yankees don’t trade young pitching. Didn’t happen last year, won’t happen this year. When was the last time they traded a young pitcher? Stan Bahnsen? Doc Medich? The Yanks need pitching and young pitching. There’s no surplus there to trade.

    The only position where a trade may take place is catching. That’s basically the only area of the organization where there is a surplus. I think if the Cubs trade a SS, and they might, the Mets are a pretty good fit. They have a surplus of young pitching. A few are pretty highly regarded. The Yanks should def explore the trade market for a SS but they are still not a team with a farm system stocked with a enough high profile players or a ML roster with enough good young players for a trade to be a high probability option.

    • Mayan Brickann

      Mets are a GREAT fit to trade with the Cubs. Best fit in baseball. Don’t know whether it will happen, but it should.

    • Bigdan

      Re-thinking this a bit, the closest the Yanks have come to trading young pitching in recent memory was Kennedy. He didn’t have much of a major league track record. Not like Pineda or Nova, but he was a young pitcher with some potential for major league success, which of course he has obtained at least on some level. So I guess there is some recent precedent for trading young pitching if the Yanks are receiving in return a player under contract or control. But given the present state of Yankee pitching, I believe that’s highly unlikely.

      • Mayan Brickann

        I think that at the point in time that the IPK deal went down, there was still probably more a premium on good young pitching than good young hitting. I believe the opposite is true now.

    • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

      Mike Morgan
      Jose Rijo
      Jim Deshaies
      Bob Tewksbury
      Dennis Rasmussen
      Al Leiter
      Jake Westbrook
      Ted Lilly
      Jeff Weaver
      Javy Vazquez
      Zach McAllister
      Ian Kennedy

      I dunno, that seems like a lot of guys.

      • Bigdan

        Kennedy is only one on that list that’s Cashman. I covered that below. All the others were before his control or last century . McAllister was never highly regarded. I believe he was a PTBNL.

        • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

          Really? Cashman wasn’t the GM when Westbrook, Lilly, Weaver and Vazquez were traded? Because that guy sure LOOKED like Cashman.

          Brandon Claussen was highly regarded at one time. So was Tony Armas. They just never contributed anything at the major league level.

          • Bigdan

            All George moves. Cashman control really didn’t begin until the middle of the last decade. That’s when all those “Jay Buhner” trades ended. Certainly a credit to Cashman to have ended that practice. Since it’s been the “keys to the kingdom” era.

  • TB

    I have to reflect on last night – I was in season ticket section of 203 bleacher creature country and it was probably the greatest sporting event I have ever been too. It actually felt more special than winning the world series but I guess that tells people how much DEREK JETER has meant to all of us.. What an amazing night at yankee stadium….. THANK YOU DEREK!!!! THANK YOU DEREK!!!! THANK YOU DEREK!!!! We will never see another player like you

  • mitch

    I think they could protect the arms without going to a true 6 man rotation. When you factor in the scheduled off days, you probably only need an extra starter every couple times through the rotation to ensure they’re all pitching on 5 days rest. That way you limit the starts by your 6th best guy, but give the other 5 extra rest. Plus the 6th man would still be available out of the pen some times.

    • Mayan Brickann

      I can’t get behind a 6 man rotation. Don’t mind spot starting a #6/#7 starter from time to time to grab one of the front 5 a rest, but that’s where it would end for me.

      • mitch

        that’s sort of my point. A couple strategically placed spots starts per month is probably enough keep everyone pitching on 5 days rest. You know a guy like Phelps is going to make 15 starts a year anyway even if he doesn’t crack the top 5

        • Mayan Brickann

          No doubt. The Yankees have had as many as 4 guys make 30 starts only 3 times in the last 20 years. In 9 of those years, 3 or fewer pitchers made 25 starts. There will be plenty left over for the Phelpses of the world. Always are.

      • Masahiro Nakamura

        You mean like skipping a start sometimes? Like swapping Tanaka in for someone else to give him a large rest here and there? Sounds good to me.

  • Throwstrikes

    DSzymborski

    Top 10 hitters through 2013 in playoff WPA are Ortiz, Pujols, Beltran, Berkman, Rose, Gehrig, Keller, Freese, Hendu, Manny Being Manny.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CKTbOQiRbc8TzcF_Vv_KjycEZ_7weBC114RcJJi-6hw/edit?pli=1#gid=0

  • LazerTown

    Don’t get why you think it’s logical that we should trade several guys for a long term piece, instead of signing a free agent, but Latos makes sense on a one year deal too?

    People say we should get younger, and they sick of these albatross free agent contracts, yet every winter they are jumping to trade it all for a one year rental. Castro will not be cheap prospect wise. Just get Hardy, his defense at an up the middle position is better than castro’s.

    • Dalek Jeter

      Depending on the package, I’d prefer Castro. I understand the need/want to hoard all the prospects, but Castro (if he is what he’s been every year except 2013) is a dynamic player…a shortstop who is good enough defensively but has the offensive ability of like a centerfielder. Castro and a healthy Tulo are basically the only two shortstops I’d break the proverbial prospect bank for.

      • LazerTown

        Meh. Castro has a .284/.325/.410 career line. I would be pretty sure Judge would be in the package, plus some other players. Where else can we find a power bat, I’d really like to see them develop one.

        It’s not like Castro is free. He will be averaging about $9.8MM aav for the next 6 years. Not even to mention from a WAR standpoint Hardy would be the better player by quite a bit, only slightly if you throw out Castro’s 2013 season. If you can get Hardy on a 3 year deal I think even with his regression he should still come out somewhat close to Castro.

        So even if you think you can get Hardy somewhere around $40MM/3 you are talking about saving $3MM a year, yet you you are giving up several top prospects to get there.

        • Dalek Jeter

          My problem is that a lot of Hardy’s value is tied into his defense, which isn’t a problem, but unless his power bounces back he becomes a huge liability offensively. The Yankees were starved for offense this year, and if they could get some from a non-offensive position like SS at <10mil I'll sign up for that right now.

        • Wave Your Hat

          I like Hardy, but down the road will Hardy maintain his level of play and stay healthy? He’s a bigger risk and will cost more. If you can lock in a young shortstop like Castro you do it.

  • EndlessMikeJr

    What do u think Baez is worth in prospects to get him?I know he has been bad but it’s his first year and Trout had a under .200 avg when he was brought up his first time.
    I think with Baez stock is down so he might be worth a gamble and they already have a SS for the future and Baez ceiling is high.

  • Masahiro Nakamura

    I think Jeter deserves a monument. He’s meant just as much to the Yankees when Babe was playing to when Jeter was playing.

    • Mayan Brickann

      No, I don’t think he did. The Yankees were the Yankees when Jeter came along. Bade Ruth made the Yankees the Yankees when he played. Both players meant something. Ruth meant more. But yeah, Jeter deserves a monument.

  • lightSABR

    That starters this year, on average, have performed worse on six days’ rest should not lead anyone to conclude that an individual starter will perform worse on six days’ rest, or that a whole rotation will perform worse if all of them get six days’ rest.

    It’s likely that managers work harder to get starters six days’ rest when they look like they need it—i.e., when they’re performing poorly.

  • Andrew DeClerk

    So is Pineda is their most valuable realistic trade chip? I agree if you can get one of those Cubs SSs, you pay that price and then some.

  • https://www.facebook.com/daniel.wasserman.35 nsalem

    I don’t know if Pineda will stay healthy but he is healthy right now and I would not trade him for Castro or almost everybody. His 70 innings pitched so far this year have been astounding. His ERA plus has been north of Kershaw. I know it’s only 1/3 of a season and he did get hurt again this year and he’s done some really dumb things (dwi and you know what else) but the guy has multiple CYA’s upside and I would not part with that.

    • Wave Your Hat

      I would trade Pineda for Castro in a heartbeat.

      • Douglas Rau

        I would have to think Aaron Judge is their most valuable potential piece in a trade but I wouldn’t offer him for Castro. What if this year is the aberration and last season is closer to the real Castro? You have to be sure of the talent you’re acquiring before you give up a guy with that much upside.

        • Mayan Brickann

          Are you kidding? If the Cubs were willing to take Judge for Castro, you do that in a heartbeat.

        • Dalek Jeter

          Castro’s been in the league since 2010, and apart from 2013 has been right around where he was this year every year. The stolen bases have kind of fallen off, but if he could get those back he’d be a perfect #2 hitter. Or a #6 hitter, as a guy who could restart the line up after the middle of the line up does it’s damage. I’d trade Judge for Castro straight up in a heartbeat.

        • Jake

          I’m not saying make the trade, but it’s much easier to find a power hitting OF then it is to find a young solid SS.

      • Douglas Rau

        I’d have to lose Pineda but yeah, agree. I don’t think we’re ever going to get a complete, full, healthy season out of Pineda. I’d bank on him missing time every year.

    • Dalek Jeter

      If you could guarantee me 170-200 innings of Pineda at what he was when healthy this season every year through 2018, I’d hold onto Pineda…but since we can’t be guaranteed that, I probably make the trade.

      • RetroRob

        Same here, although I’ll be in the minority and say I’d rather they role the dice a bit and go with the prospect Russell, who promises both bat and glove. Risky in that Castro is an established and good MLB player, yet I would.

        • Dalek Jeter

          Eh…always give me the established, GOOD player over the prospect. Prospects are way too risky. Even the most highly touted ones turn out to be Jesus Montero more often then they do Mike Trout.

          • RetroRob

            I agree 100%. Yet I still want Russell. : -)

  • RetroRob

    I suspect the next monument will be Yogi, although hopefully a few years off still.

  • Andrew DeClerk

    I’m very angry this morning that this org got cheap as the rest of the sport started spending. It’s the only reason they missed the playoffs the last two years. This year with that rotation and bullpen they are borderline championship caliber with Cano and a few other hitters getting hot. But that would have required a $250M budget. There’s absolutely no reason they can’t support that level.

    • Dalek Jeter

      You do realize that this isn’t a game of “The Show” and it is actual real dollars AND signing a guy for 10 years actually has an effect on the team 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10 years down the road, right?

      • Andrew DeClerk

        Are you talking to me or they Yankee front office? They spent almost $500 million last off-season and the team got worse.

    • Dalek Jeter

      Also, Cano is OVER 30!!! Didn’t you know that spending money on guys who are over the age of 30 is basically the equivalent of burning it? Idk who taught you about baseball, but there’s this one commenter who thinks that once a guy is over 30 there’s no reason to have anything to do with him because there’s no chance he can get better and he’ll only get worse, so what’s even the point. Oh…wait…

      • Andrew DeClerk

        You must have missed where that commenter showed:

        A) they didn’t need to wait until he was 30

        B) you make exceptions for home grown hall of famers

        C) they spent the money in dumber ways, namely three players who cost twice as much as Cano for less value

        • Dalek Jeter

          But if they would have signed him after this year he would have been under contract passed that dreaded age where baseball players just fall apart. Apparently.

          • Andrew DeClerk

            Ummm no one was proposing that.

          • Canarsie Yankee

            It is apparently okay to sign an extension for however long you want, so long as that player is a day under 30 when the extension is signed.
            Nevermind that an extension was already signed, which is why Cano didn’t hit the market until last year, nor the fact that Cano was likely determined to play the field. It should have happened. Cashman failed.

  • BUDDHABING0

    Yankees need to make a trade for a ss the way they did for 2b in 1975 or 76 when they traded a good, young pitching prospect in Doc Medich for a young highly regarded Pirate minor league 2b prospect named Willie Randolph who was being blocked from majors by either Dave Cash or Renee Stenett. Can’t remember which one. Cubs can’t be only team with good young ss prospects being blocked by established major leaguer.

    • Lou Zullo

      Think Randolph was squeezed by both with Cash eventually going to the Phillies

  • John in Forest

    Jeter was hurt at the end of 2008, so he only played in one game after the Yankees were eliminated. That’s been a big talking point on sports shows this year, that Jeter had only played in one meaningless game in his career. Now he’s played in two.

  • Jack

    I hope the rotation next year is:
    Tanaka, Pineda, McCarthy, Sabathia, and Greene/Phelps can duel for one spot. Then, when Nova comes back he takes their spot or CC if he is awful.

  • http://cheapinkstore.com Cheapness Smithy

    Why would any good starting pitcher want to join a 6-man rotation? Sure, a lot of the existing ones are hurt and/or terrible, but I could see this limiting attractiveness to pitchers who actually have a choice. Top of the line hitters/position players aren’t looking to join a platoon. They want PAs and to maximize value/stats. Pitchers in the 5-man are already losing out stats-wise to guys from 1 generation ago who got 37-40 starts per season. And too many people still care about stats like Wins. With 26-27 starts it will be almost impossible to win more than 12-13 games or get more than 160-180 innings- which means lower K numbers, lower cumulative advanced stats, everything. They might as well institute a standard 4 man OF and tell guys like Gardner and Ellsbury they are guaranteed to lose time to Ichiro and/or some random AAAA guys no matter how well they perform.

  • Eric MacLaurin

    Shane Green and Cervelli should be an attractive battery for a team like Colorado. I would build on that and go after Tulo.