Yankees land Didi Gregorius in three-team trade, send Shane Greene to Tigers

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1:58pm: It’s a done deal, the Yankees have officially announced the trade. The deal is as reported this morning: Greene to the Tigers, Ray and Leyba to the D’Backs, and Gregorious to the Yankees. Welcome to the Bronx, Didi.

12:01pm: The Yankees have landed their shortstop of the future. Or at least their shortstop for 2015. The team has agreed to acquire Didi Gregorius from the D’Backs in a three-team trade that sends Shane Greene to the Tigers. Detroit is sending left-hander Robbie Ray and minor league infielder Domingo Leyba to Arizona. It doesn’t appear there are any other pieces involved. The deal is still pending physicals. The always reliable Sweeny Murti and Ken Rosenthal had the news. Bob Nightengale says Arizona rejected Greene-for-Gregorius straight up before the Tigers got involved.

In a nutshell, the trade plugs the Yankees’ shortstop hole with a young player who can actually play above-average defense and may improve at the plate. It also creates an even bigger hole in the rotation — Greene was the only MLB starter on New York’s roster without some kind of injury concern heading into 2015. The Yankees needed rotation help before the trade and they need even more now. It seems like they will dip into free agency to take care of that. Plenty of arms still available.

Gregorius, 24, was originally signed and developed by the Reds. He went to Arizona in the three-team trade that sent Shin-Soo Choo to Cincinnati and Trevor Bauer to the Indians two offseasons ago. Gregorius is from Amsterdam and he comes from a baseball family. His father pitched in Honkbal Hoofdklasse — the highest level of pro baseball in the Netherlands — and his brother plays in that league now. Didi’s real name is Mariekson Julius, by the way.

This past season Gregorius hit .226/.293/.393 (76 wRC+) with six homers in 229 plate appearances for the D’Backs. He spent much of the summer in Triple-A — he hit .310/.389/.447 (122 wRC+) with three homers in 260 plate appearances in Triple-A in 2014 — after losing the starting shortstop job to Chris Owings in Spring Training. Arizona has clearly identified Owings as their shortstop of the future and used Gregorius to fill their pitching needs.

Didi, who is listed at 6-foot-2 and 205 lbs., hit .252/.332/.373 (92 wRC+) with seven homers in 404 plate appearances in 2013, his first extended stint in MLB. He actually hit his first career homer at Yankee Stadium last April, but it came against Phil Hughes, so that hardly counts:

The Yankees are clearly hoping Gregorius, a left-handed hitter, can get back to his 2013 level of production and improve on it going forward. It’s worth noting Gregorius does draw a fair amount of walks (career 8.1 BB%) without striking out much (16.9 K%), and those are two traits that generally portend well for the future. He hasn’t hit lefties at all as a big leaguer though — 33 wRC+ against lefties and 102 wRC+ against righties.

In the field, Gregorius is considered an above-average defender by scouts while the various stats say he’s been about average if not a tick below so far in the show. I wouldn’t take the numbers to heart right now given the relatively small sample size. “He has smooth actions, plus range and a sniper rifle of an arm. His arm rates as a 70 on the 20-80 scouting scale, allowing him to make plays from deep in the hole that other shortstops can’t,” said Baseball America (subs. req’d) when they ranked him Cincinnati’s fifth best prospect following the 2012 season, before the trade to Arizona.

Gregorius has been healthy throughout his career aside from an elbow strain in 2013 that kept him out for just about all of Spring Training plus the first two weeks of the regular season. He missed another week in April 2013 after suffering a concussion when he was hit in the head by a pitch. Otherwise his medical history is clean. Gregorius is considered a good makeup/clubhouse guy and he also speaks four languages: English, Spanish, Dutch, and Papiamento. That’ll come in handy in the clubhouse.

Greene, 26, was pretty much a rotation savior for the Yankees this summer. He had a 3.78 ERA (3.73 FIP) in 78.2 innings during his MLB debut with strong strikeout (9.27 K/9 and 23.5 K%) and ground ball (50.2 GB%) rates. His walk rate (3.32 BB/9 and 8.4 BB%) was solid and his command has been much improved these last two years thanks to some mechanical tweaks make by minor league pitching coordinator Gil Patterson. I like Greene, I think his mid-90s sinker/upper-80s slider combo is legit, though he did struggle against lefties this season, as detailed in our season review post.

Because he spent a big chunk of 2014 season in the minors, Gregorius currently has less than two years of service time, so he can not become a free agent until after the 2019 season. He will be a Super Two though, meaning he will be arbitration-eligible for the first time next offseason and have three more years or arbitration after that. Greene won’t be arbitration-eligible until after 2017 or a free agent until after 2020. The Yankees are giving up six years of Greene for five years of Gregorius. I don’t see a problem with that.

The Yankees desperately needed a shortstop, both for the short-term and long-term, and while we have to wait to see if Gregorius can become that long-term piece, the team got him at what I think is a more than fair price if not an outright bargain. I really like Greene and think he’ll be a solid pitcher going forward, but pitchers like him are much easier to find that 24-year-old shortstops these days. I don’t love Didi, I’m skeptical about his bat going forward, but this is a shot the Yankees had to take.

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  • Rick

    Make this trade immediately, Brian.

    • Coney1

      Why? He sucks. They need to land offense at SS or 3B

      • Rick

        He doesn’t suck – first off. If the cost of doing business is Shane Greene, then it’s a trade you absolutely make every day of the week and twice on Sunday. At his best, Greene is no more than #4 starter. Gregorious can easily become a league average SS and possibly more.

        • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

          I disagree that Gregorious can “easily” become league average.

          He has not shown he is capable to be anymore league average offensively than Brendan Ryan.

          • Rick

            He has about one full season’s worth of AB’s. Has shown some pop and has a strong track record of hitting for average at the upper levels in the minors. If he reached that level in the bigs – still absolutely possible – and gave, worst case scenario, league average defense then he easily becomes league average to above average.

            • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

              I may be wrong on this but I’m pretty sure he played in the very hitter friendly PCL for most of his upper minors, so his offensive numbers there need to be discounted.

              And in his one full season worth of AB’s he has shown nothing; unless you like a .240 average and .300 OBP.

              • Mayan Brickann

                You’re not wrong. There’s little reason to expect his PCL numbers to translate. He’s a bottom of the order guy.

                • Rick

                  And no one claimed he was Cal Ripken.

              • Mayan Brickann

                You’re not wrong. There’s little reason to expect his PCL numbers to translate. He’s a bottom of the order guy.

              • Scott

                Minor league career: AVG-.277. OBP- 332. SLG -389. OPS .721

                • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

                  and his average drops to .250 if you take out his PCL numbers…..

                  • Scott

                    Not all of his minor league ABs were in the PCL. I’m counting only 501 of those ABs in the PCL out of 1,992.
                    Point is he isn’t a total zero with the bat. You act like he is going to hit below the mendoza line for the Yanks. Let’s see how it actually plays out first before we declare him a corpse at the plate.

                    • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

                      I hope I’m wrong, I just don’t think this guy has 1/10th of the offensive “upside” that everyone on here is saying he does. I think he will be a complete nothing at the plate and very good in the field which is fine but not for a team that is as offensively challenged as the Yankees have been.

            • Scott

              He also plays(ed) in a pitchers park.

          • Mayan Brickann

            On average, AL teams got a .667 OPS from the shortstop position in 2014 (no team got as much as a .700 OPS and the Yankees were tied for last at .579). I think Gergorius can probably come close to scratching out the average. When it comes to SS, that’s a “thinnest kid at fat camp” distinction, but lets remember Jeter was the fattest kid at fat camp last season.

          • Mayan Brickann

            On average, AL teams got a .667 OPS from the shortstop position in 2014 (no team got as much as a .700 OPS and the Yankees were tied for last at .579). I think Gergorius can probably come close to scratching out the average. When it comes to SS, that’s a “thinnest kid at fat camp” distinction, but lets remember Jeter was the fattest kid at fat camp last season.

        • SweetSpot

          Well said.

      • Patrick

        Offense at SS does not exist.

      • Patrick

        Offense at SS does not exist.

  • fabreezey

    don’t we already have a good defensive shortstop with no bat in Brendan Ryan?

    • SweetSpot

      Didi is 24 and has upside at the plate. Ryan is 32 and is what he is.

      • fabreezey

        ahh i see your point well i hope whoever our new hitting coach is can help him out

      • fabreezey

        ahh i see your point well i hope whoever our new hitting coach is can help him out

        • Havok9120

          Not to mention Ryan’s defense, while still very good, isn’t what it used to be.

          He’s an improvement over Ryan (and 2014 Jeter) in every way.

  • Asher Dratel

    Sure lets trade away one of the brighter spots from last season for another glove-first infielder, it’s not like the rotation isn’t looking incredibly tenuous or anything.

    • Rick

      Let’s not make Greene more than he is.

      • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

        Let’s not make Didi out to be more than he is either….

        • Rick

          What’s easier to find … a 24 year old SS in the majors with upside or a 26 year old journeyman pitcher with limited upside and small success in the upper levels of the minors? Further, who made Didi out to be anything? All that I said was trading Greene for Gregorious is a no brainer.

          • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

            I have zero issue with trading Greene – but don’t waste a bullet just to get a warm body to put between 2B and 3B. What is the better option – having Didi Gregorious or having Shane Greene AND one of Stephen Drew, Jed Lowrie or Asdrubal Cabrera with the option to include Greene in a deal at a later time for someone better?

            • mitch

              Greene would be no more than a throw in to any decent trade target.

              • Rick

                At best a throw in.

                • dickylarue

                  He’s the only fully healthy pitcher in our rotation. Or was rather.

                • dickylarue

                  He’s the only fully healthy pitcher in our rotation. Or was rather.

              • Rick

                At best a throw in.

            • Rick

              Yea the much better option is having the 24 year old SS with upside than an overpriced Drew, Lowrie or Cabrera where the production is limited and rather predictable from an overwhelming sample size. Cashman seems to agree, as well.

              • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

                The money means nothing, especially on a 1 year deal to someone like Drew

                • Rick

                  Money means nothing when you’re payroll is over $200M and all taxable under the luxury tax? Keep dreaming. You can take that $10M you’d save on Drew and put it towards someone like Andrew Miller (who they may sign today for just that precise amount of money) or a bigger fish like Scherzer or Lester.

                  • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

                    If you think the Yankees can’t afford those guys along with someone as shitty as Stephen Drew you’re kidding yourself

                    • Rick

                      Why just flush $10M down the toilet? If Didi sucks he cost you a #4 starter (best case scenario) and the league minimum. It’s the most basic form of economics there is. You know the Yankees are a for-profit business, right?

                    • Rick

                      Why just flush $10M down the toilet? If Didi sucks he cost you a #4 starter (best case scenario) and the league minimum. It’s the most basic form of economics there is. You know the Yankees are a for-profit business, right?

                    • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

                      So why flush a #4 starter down the toilet and a potential trade chip for a guy you know is inept at the plate? As a fan of a team with a shit load of money I’d rather see them flush the money for one year than flush a guy with potential future benefits to the team.

                    • Rick

                      Because Greene isn’t anything special. Your team just made that decision abundantly clear for you.

                    • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

                      So why flush a #4 starter down the toilet and a potential trade chip for a guy you know is inept at the plate? As a fan of a team with a shit load of money I’d rather see them flush the money for one year than flush a guy with potential future benefits to the team.

                    • Havok9120

                      Of course they can afford it, but there’s no reason to believe that they’d be willing to jack up payroll more than they’re comfortable with for a player like Drew.

                  • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

                    If you think the Yankees can’t afford those guys along with someone as shitty as Stephen Drew you’re kidding yourself

              • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

                The money means nothing, especially on a 1 year deal to someone like Drew

            • Rick

              Yea the much better option is having the 24 year old SS with upside than an overpriced Drew, Lowrie or Cabrera where the production is limited and rather predictable from an overwhelming sample size. Cashman seems to agree, as well.

            • Havok9120

              Maybe, except we don’t know how payroll affects things and unless Greene continues to vastly outperform expectations he’s likely at his peak value right now.

              This is what “selling high” tends to look like.

          • Drew

            I wouldn’t call Greene a journeyman pitcher. Don’t underplay one guy to make the guy you liked stand out. I would say you are trading a young un-established pitcher for a younger un-established player at a position that the Yankees desperately need.

            • Rick

              Which is exactly my point. You make that trade every day of the week without even thinking about it.

        • SweetSpot

          No one has done that. Great defender with upside potential at bat.

          • Rick

            Thank you for your reading comprehension! It’s a legit breath of fresh air.

          • mitch

            Exactly. At the cost of a very replaceable arm he’s definitely worth a shot.

          • TripleShortOfACycle

            There is no upside offensively. Unless their plan is to sign Desmond next year this is pretty weak

            • Jim Is Bored

              Come on people, there is almost no upside offensively ANYWHERE at the SS position. We weren’t getting late-90’s A-Rod.

            • Scott

              You know this because?????

              • TripleShortOfACycle

                His history in Baseball and 99 percent of scouts

      • Asher Dratel

        Yeah once I got over my gut reaction here I’m actually totally OK with this. FA position players are a wasteland at the moment, while there always seem to be at least a couple of good arms, so locking down a starting SS for 5 years is worth it.

        I really did enjoy the hell out of watching Greene last season though, no matter what happens to him in the future I’ll stand by calling him a bright spot.

  • SweetSpot

    Mike when you have time can you detail why you are not a Didi fan?

    • Jim Is Bored

      I’m sure we’ll get a detailed post later today.

  • dickylarue

    A young Brendan Ryan! That’ll fix the offense!

    • SweetSpot

      He’s not.

      • FIPster Doofus

        Being somewhat less shitty than Ryan at the plate doesn’t make him good.

        • Rick

          Such a huge sample size to go on, isn’t it?

          • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

            It’s a much better indication of future ability than Rick’s eye test

            • Rick

              Except I’m not using an eye test. He was right around a league average bat throughout his career in the minors based on wrc+. His defense is above average. What does that get you? An above average shortstop. Sheesh.

          • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

            It’s a much better indication of future ability than Rick’s eye test

          • FIPster Doofus

            Yeah, actually. He has never flourished offensively at any level, with the exception of a 64-game sample in AAA in 2013-14.

            http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=6012&position=SS

            • pfunk42529

              And that 64 game sample was at a very hitter friendly park.

          • FIPster Doofus

            Yeah, actually. He has never flourished offensively at any level, with the exception of a 64-game sample in AAA in 2013-14.

            http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=6012&position=SS

        • Rick

          Such a huge sample size to go on, isn’t it?

    • Jim Is Bored

      No shortstop was going to fix the offense.

      • jjyank

        Yup.

      • jjyank

        Yup.

      • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

        TULO!!!

        Which, of course, had as much a chance of happening as Kim Kardsahian does of not being a media whore.

      • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

        TULO!!!

        Which, of course, had as much a chance of happening as Kim Kardsahian does of not being a media whore.

    • Havok9120

      There is no shortstop who actually looks to be available that would fix the offense. The ones that could even make the attempt project to be better fits at other positions.

      Who could they have gotten that would have been a major improvement to the offense as a whole?

    • Havok9120

      There is no shortstop who actually looks to be available that would fix the offense. The ones that could even make the attempt project to be better fits at other positions.

      Who could they have gotten that would have been a major improvement to the offense as a whole?

  • Frank Marco

    DEAL IS DONE! PER ROSENTHAL

    • Rick

      Love it.

  • Reggie C.

    he’s young. and if ’13 turns out to be a more accurate barometer of Gregorius’s hitting prowress than say last year, then Cashman should definitely pull the trigger on his end. Gregorius has a livelier bat than Ryan every day of the week (and ’14 DJ).

    • Havok9120

      Especially if it just costs Greene.

      I love Greene, but his repertoire is borderline for a long term starter and he’s got basically no track record.

    • Havok9120

      Especially if it just costs Greene.

      I love Greene, but his repertoire is borderline for a long term starter and he’s got basically no track record.

  • dickylarue

    You know Hal’s tap dancing. Now he has his excuse for why they don’t bid on Moncada.

    • Rick

      I don’t think you can sign Moncada with the hope of him being a SS.

      • dickylarue

        I thought that was his position?

        • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

          Everything I’ve been reading says that he’s not a MLB SS, but projects to either 3B or 2B.

          • dickylarue

            So Hal can’t use Didi as an excuse? Good. Sign the kid then.

            • Rick

              That’s what we’re hoping for anyway.

            • Rick

              That’s what we’re hoping for anyway.

            • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

              Yes, because I’m sure that if the Yankees don’t sign Moncada, that’s the reason that will be given.

            • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

              Yes, because I’m sure that if the Yankees don’t sign Moncada, that’s the reason that will be given.

  • SweetSpot

    Respected, former general manager Kevin Towers said this about Gregorius: “When I saw him he reminded me of a young Derek Jeter.”

    • FIPster Doofus

      Kevin Towers is respected?

      • SweetSpot

        Yes. He’s a pro who can judge talent.

        • Patrick

          No.

          • jjyank

            He’s pretty highly regarding around the game. Being a poor GM doesn’t mean he’s bad at baseball FO stuff in general.

        • Patrick

          No.

    • David Masino

      Emphasis on “former” GM…

    • David Masino

      Emphasis on “former” GM…

    • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

      The guy who thought Prado was a good return for Justin Upton? Yeah there is a great scout.

    • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

      The guy who thought Prado was a good return for Justin Upton? Yeah there is a great scout.

  • Reggie C.

    it’ll be pretty hilarious if gregorius out hits andrus!!

    • hansdee

      Let’s hope he does.

  • SweetSpot

    Trade is a done deal! Reported on MLB TV at 10:23AM EST.

  • Bigdan

    Didi last year at age 24 hit .310 in the PCL. That’s about what Pirela did last year in the International League. If you put Pirela in the PCL he’d hit about .350.

    Just saying.

    • SweetSpot

      What’s that got to do with the Brooklyn Bridge?

      • Bigdan

        He’s not that young and he’s yet to prove he can hit.

        • mitch

          that’s true. That’s why the cost was Shane Greene

          • Bigdan

            You are right, but it’s still gutsy move.

          • Bigdan

            You are right, but it’s still gutsy move.

        • mitch

          that’s true. That’s why the cost was Shane Greene

        • SweetSpot

          24 is not young?

          • Rick

            He’s not the 19 year old Cuban, therefore he is old.

          • Rick

            He’s not the 19 year old Cuban, therefore he is old.

          • Bigdan

            25 next year. Evaluate him simply as a SS prospect. He’s 25 and entering the major leagues. That’s not young. And he’s yet to prove he has a bat.

            Compare to Refsynder. 24 about the enter the major leagues. An uninterrupted string of hitting success in the minor leagues.

            Now who’s a better prospect? Well, one is a SS and one is a 2b. One can hit. One can’t.

            • Rick

              The average age for a rookie in MLB is 24.

              • Jim Is Bored

                SHHHHHHHHHHH

              • Jim Is Bored

                SHHHHHHHHHHH

              • Bigdan

                What’s the average age that current position starters have entered the major leagues? Forget all pitchers.

                Didi is not some hot 22 year old glove entering the major leagues who’s bat may come around. He’s not Boegarts.

                • Jim Is Bored

                  “He’s not Boegarts”. I was wrong, you should take “Missing the Point” for 2k.

                • Jim Is Bored

                  “He’s not Boegarts”. I was wrong, you should take “Missing the Point” for 2k.

              • Bigdan

                What’s the average age that current position starters have entered the major leagues? Forget all pitchers.

                Didi is not some hot 22 year old glove entering the major leagues who’s bat may come around. He’s not Boegarts.

            • Rick

              The average age for a rookie in MLB is 24.

            • SweetSpot

              He hit .310/.389/.447 in AAA last summer as Mike posted above. And Refsnyder plays second base I guess “the kid” didn’t tell you that.

            • SweetSpot

              He hit .310/.389/.447 in AAA last summer as Mike posted above. And Refsnyder plays second base I guess “the kid” didn’t tell you that.

              • Bigdan

                Once again, learn how to read.

                • SweetSpot

                  I can read. He had success in the minor leagues too.

                • SweetSpot

                  I can read. He had success in the minor leagues too.

              • Bigdan

                Once again, learn how to read.

            • Scott

              He has 2 years of partial major league experience. He isn’t “entering the major leagues” for the first time.
              And 25 next year is still young. Consider your own example. Refs is 24, never tasted the majors. Didi is 24 (going on 25) and has played 80 and 103 games in the majors.

            • Scott

              He has 2 years of partial major league experience. He isn’t “entering the major leagues” for the first time.
              And 25 next year is still young. Consider your own example. Refs is 24, never tasted the majors. Didi is 24 (going on 25) and has played 80 and 103 games in the majors.

              • Rick

                Damn facts!

              • Rick

                Damn facts!

          • Bigdan

            25 next year. Evaluate him simply as a SS prospect. He’s 25 and entering the major leagues. That’s not young. And he’s yet to prove he has a bat.

            Compare to Refsynder. 24 about the enter the major leagues. An uninterrupted string of hitting success in the minor leagues.

            Now who’s a better prospect? Well, one is a SS and one is a 2b. One can hit. One can’t.

    • http://riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Pirela’s not even on the same planet as Didi defensively.

      • Bigdan

        Now let’s try “Missing the Point” for $100 Alex.

        • Jim Is Bored

          You’re very very good at that category. You should have gone for $500.

        • Jim Is Bored

          You’re very very good at that category. You should have gone for $500.

      • Bigdan

        Now let’s try “Missing the Point” for $100 Alex.

  • SweetSpot

    Yankee fans are funny. They could sign Babe Ruth for $10 bucks and they would be whining he was fat. No Didi is not Ruth but he’s 24 a great defender and is a guy with character and is well liked. That’s important in NY replacing Jeter. And his basic tools at the plate are good. He was not in an ideal situation in Arizona.

    • hansdee

      Then there are those absurd Yankee fans that self righteously harp on a player’s “character”. They in turn likely would have concerns over Babe Ruth’s drinking and womanizing. Additionally they would likely find fault with Ruth’s upbringing on the streets of Baltimore and a boy’s home.
      Works both ways, doesn’t it?

  • Chip

    Gregorious for Greene is a win.

    He’s better than anyone the Yankees could have put at SS this year via free agency (Moncada is not ML ready)

    Sign Miller
    Sign Francisco
    Sign Scherzer
    Re-Sign McCarthy

    Against RHP your lineup is:

    Ellsbury – CF
    Prado – 2b
    Beltran – DH
    McCann – C
    Tex – 1b
    Francisco – 3b
    Alex – DH
    Gregorious – SS
    Gardner – LF

    Bench: Pirela, Young, Murphy, Ryan

    You can either put Prado at 3b and Pirela at 2b or put Alex at 3b, Beltran at DH and Young in the OF against LHP

    Rotation
    Tank, Scherzer, Pineda, McCarthy, CC with Phelps/Mitchell/Banuelos/Whitley in reserve and Nova up in July

    Pen
    RHP: Betances, Rogers, Warren, Kelley
    LHP: Miller, Lindgren, Wilson

    • davealvarez

      I hadn’t even thought of Francisco as an option, but maybe you’re onto something there. I think Miller will be signing with the Yankees, but I do hope they re-up Robertson as well. I would prefer to see a bullpen of Robertson, Betances, Miller, Warren, Kelley, Lindgren, and Rogers. Scherzer isn’t worth it in the long run I think– better off resigning McCarthy alone for a rotation of Tanaka, Pineda, McCarthy, CC, and Phelps til Nova comes back.

      • Chip

        Francisco’s power would certainly play in Yankee Stadium

        The rotation has too many injury questions in it – I would like Scherzer or Lester to add some stability.

  • Chip

    Gregorious for Greene is a win.

    He’s better than anyone the Yankees could have put at SS this year via free agency (Moncada is not ML ready)

    Sign Miller
    Sign Francisco
    Sign Scherzer
    Re-Sign McCarthy

    Against RHP your lineup is:

    Ellsbury – CF
    Prado – 2b
    Beltran – DH
    McCann – C
    Tex – 1b
    Francisco – 3b
    Alex – DH
    Gregorious – SS
    Gardner – LF

    Bench: Pirela, Young, Murphy, Ryan

    You can either put Prado at 3b and Pirela at 2b or put Alex at 3b, Beltran at DH and Young in the OF against LHP

    Rotation
    Tank, Scherzer, Pineda, McCarthy, CC with Phelps/Mitchell/Banuelos/Whitley in reserve and Nova up in July

    Pen
    RHP: Betances, Rogers, Warren, Kelley
    LHP: Miller, Lindgren, Wilson

  • jjyank

    Not a Didi fan at all…but I guess the price is pretty fair. I’m curious if the Yankees will follow this up with signing a FA pitcher now that they took care of SS in a cost-controlled manner.

    • davealvarez

      That would seem to be the way the tides are turning, and I honestly think it’s for the best. Perhaps they know a little better if Kuroda is willing to re-up on a cheap one-year deal. Or maybe they’re pretty confident in resigning McCarthy? Or both? Or neither completely, and they’re going in on Scherzer or Lester. They can spend more now on good pitching (with more options), rather than overpaying for say someone like Drew or Cabrera.

    • Scott

      I think they are headed that way. They know they have 4 questions marks in the rotation due to health (CC, Tanaka, Nova, Pineda) so giving up Greene without a plan to replace him would be silly. They are still probably considering McCarthy but possibly Max or Lester.

    • Scott

      I think they are headed that way. They know they have 4 questions marks in the rotation due to health (CC, Tanaka, Nova, Pineda) so giving up Greene without a plan to replace him would be silly. They are still probably considering McCarthy but possibly Max or Lester.

  • CashmanNinja

    Well, as much as I love Greene, I still think it’s a good trade regardless. Didi provides good defense at the very least. Any good offense is a bonus. It’s much, much, much better than trading prospects and absorbing Elvis Andrus’ huge contract or signing Asdrubal Cabrera or Stephen Drew. I loved Greene here, but if he’s *all* we had to give up then it’s a move that had to be done. Shortstops don’t grow on trees.

    • davealvarez

      Totally agree. This was a fair and pretty balanced trade for everyone involved. I’m disappointed to see Greene go, but would have been more disappointed to have seen Greene AND another prospect go along with him.

    • davealvarez

      Totally agree. This was a fair and pretty balanced trade for everyone involved. I’m disappointed to see Greene go, but would have been more disappointed to have seen Greene AND another prospect go along with him.

  • CashmanNinja

    Well, as much as I love Greene, I still think it’s a good trade regardless. Didi provides good defense at the very least. Any good offense is a bonus. It’s much, much, much better than trading prospects and absorbing Elvis Andrus’ huge contract or signing Asdrubal Cabrera or Stephen Drew. I loved Greene here, but if he’s *all* we had to give up then it’s a move that had to be done. Shortstops don’t grow on trees.

  • Centaur Hips

    Didi has sucked but he’s young and left handed. He’s due for some positive BABIP regression and is a fly ball hitter with a .137 ISO last year, but not much HR power. Defensively he’s rates below average with UZR in a small sample. He hasn’t been good, but he’s young, has potential, and fits the park well if he gains some power so there’s potential here.

    • SweetSpot

      “Defensively he’s rates below average with UZR in a small sample.” So much for that absurd stat.

      • Centaur Hips

        It’s a small sample. He hasn’t even played too much the last couple of years. Way to just dismiss it, especially for a player you probably never even saw play before.

    • Jim Is Bored

      At this point in a player’s career scouting reports are more valuable than UZR or DRS.

      • Centaur Hips

        Agree.

  • Bobbi

    For those of you who still read Lohud, Chad Jennings’ column this morning said he was going to be off for the next 72 hours. A couple hours later – the Yankees make a move. It never fails!!! LOL

    • FIPster Doofus

      And they’re probably going to get Miller today.

    • FIPster Doofus

      And they’re probably going to get Miller today.

    • CashmanNinja

      Cashman probably timed it like that on purpose.

  • Bobbi

    For those of you who still read Lohud, Chad Jennings’ column this morning said he was going to be off for the next 72 hours. A couple hours later – the Yankees make a move. It never fails!!! LOL

  • Captain Obvious

    Its a done deal according to multiple sources.

  • Captain Obvious

    Its a done deal according to multiple sources.

  • Chip

    Dombrowski and Cashman don’t care who the GM of Arizona is – they’re going to do a three-way with that team once every couple of years.

  • Chip

    Dombrowski and Cashman don’t care who the GM of Arizona is – they’re going to do a three-way with that team once every couple of years.

  • mustang

    HATE IT! Changing to dislike it after going over Didi numbers. Still don’t like to give up starting pitching and if they get Max or Lester i will be MUCH better with it.

    Just don’t like giving up young affordable control starting pitching. As much as I hate the idea of Drew I would of rather done that then this.

    • Jim Is Bored

      The reason I don’t hate it is because SP is so volatile. I love Greene, I was excited to root for him, but I honestly think this is a pretty fair deal. And Didi is as good if not better an option than many of the previous suggestions on RAB.

      • Scott

        I’m with Jim, I didn’t want to give up Greene necessarily but the clock could strike midnight next season and he could turn back into a pumpkin and pitch horribly (for the record, I don’t think he will, I think he will be fine). But a young cost controlled SS with good defense and potential to hit is a good thing and Greene is a fair price.
        I like that Didi is 24 because I believe his offense will get better as he enters his ages 25-30 seasons.

    • Jim Is Bored

      The reason I don’t hate it is because SP is so volatile. I love Greene, I was excited to root for him, but I honestly think this is a pretty fair deal. And Didi is as good if not better an option than many of the previous suggestions on RAB.

    • Posada_20

      Can’t please everyone.

      • mustang

        I change my stance a bit.

        • Rick

          Did you move the bleachers?

        • Rick

          Did you move the bleachers?

          • The Great Gonzo

            No, his stands. How he stands… Better posture, better life….

      • mustang

        I change my stance a bit.

    • Too Many Idiots

      They gave up young affordable controlled starting pitching for a young affordable controlled starting SS. It’s a fair trade off.

    • Too Many Idiots

      They gave up young affordable controlled starting pitching for a young affordable controlled starting SS. It’s a fair trade off.

    • The Great Gonzo

      The Yankees have cost a rotation of young pitchers right now in Nova, Phelps, Big Mike and ‘that Asian kid’.

      Just sayin, I’d rather have Didi here and Greene gone than Greene here and another season of Nancy Drew.

  • mustang

    HATE IT! Changing to dislike it after going over Didi numbers. Still don’t like to give up starting pitching and if they get Max or Lester i will be MUCH better with it.

    Just don’t like giving up young affordable control starting pitching. As much as I hate the idea of Drew I would of rather done that then this.

  • Reggie C.

    another silver lining … this trade has no impact on pursuing Yoan Moncada.
    Should the yanks land Moncada, the outlook becomes alittle clearer: that Gregorius’s performance is reasonably average enough to keep the organization from having to rush Moncada up the ladder.

    • Patrick

      Moncada can’t play SS anyways. I would still go all out to sign that kid if I’m Cashman.

    • Patrick

      Moncada can’t play SS anyways. I would still go all out to sign that kid if I’m Cashman.

    • The Great Gonzo

      This ‘could’ (if the Yankees are in on Moncada) make him a realistic 3B candidate for 2016, letting Prado man the position in 2015…

      At the risk of doing EVERYTHING I hate: you’d be potentially looking at an IF of Moncada, Gregroius, Refs, and the corpse of Tex… THAT…. is an infield of fun names to say.

      • pfunk42529

        And it times perfectly for when Mateo is ready to take over shortstop, wink wink

  • Reggie C.

    another silver lining … this trade has no impact on pursuing Yoan Moncada.
    Should the yanks land Moncada, the outlook becomes alittle clearer: that Gregorius’s performance is reasonably average enough to keep the organization from having to rush Moncada up the ladder.

  • Dan A.

    I like the deal. I’d way rather have Didi than the other realistic people we’ve been discussing (Drew versus Castro in terms of realism). Shane Greene seems like a fair price.

    The thing I like most about it, is he at the very least won’t leave us scrambling next season to find a SS in another weak class. At the very least, the Yankees have a strong defender to man the position for the foreseeable future. Also, I doubt this would prevent them from looking to upgrade the position in the future, if and when a better player comes along.

    Also: GREGORIOUS IS GREGARIOUS AFTER THAT HOME RUN (too easy for Sterling?)

    • howie_n

      I wouldn’t count on Sterling having to use a home run call on Gregorius too often.

      • mitch

        he hit 6 in 300 ABs last season so he has a little pop.

        • Rick

          And 13 in about a full season’s worth of AB’s

    • troach42

      He’s Di-Di-licious!

      • Dan A.

        That’s so much better.

      • handtius

        Digi is Dynamite!

  • Dan A.

    I like the deal. I’d way rather have Didi than the other realistic people we’ve been discussing (Drew versus Castro in terms of realism). Shane Greene seems like a fair price.

    The thing I like most about it, is he at the very least won’t leave us scrambling next season to find a SS in another weak class. At the very least, the Yankees have a strong defender to man the position for the foreseeable future. Also, I doubt this would prevent them from looking to upgrade the position in the future, if and when a better player comes along.

    Also: GREGORIOUS IS GREGARIOUS AFTER THAT HOME RUN (too easy for Sterling?)

  • Rick

    My buddy who works in the scouting department for the Nationals said they were all over Didi and worked really hard to pry him.

  • Rick

    My buddy who works in the scouting department for the Nationals said they were all over Didi and worked really hard to pry him.

  • Chip

    Craig Calcaterra ?@craigcalcaterra 6m6 minutes ago
    It’ll be fun when some Yanks fans see Gregorious produce better offensive numbers than ’14 Jeter and way better D and get on his ass anyway.

    • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

      Well, duh.

    • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

      Well, duh.

    • Patrick

      I think its pretty much a guarantee Gregorius will be better in ’15 than Jeter was in ’14.

      • Chip

        Love Jeter – nothing but respect for the man and what he did here. But Gregorious will give the Yankees better defensive play at SS than they’ve had since Tony Fernandez.

    • CashmanNinja

      Yeah…that’s basically going to happen no matter what. Hell, we could have had Tulo put up .290/30/110 and people would still get on his ass because he didn’t hit .300. Some fans are just dicks and complain about EVERYTHING. Didi just needs to do decent enough offensively because his defense will provide so much more value than we’ve received over the last few years.

    • losealot101

      i agree with the fielding, maybe. but offense isn’t this guys strong suit.

    • losealot101

      i agree with the fielding, maybe. but offense isn’t this guys strong suit.

      • The Great Gonzo

        Jeter was behind not good at the dish last season. Well, he was not ‘Jeter’ good. He was still better than Drew or Ryan.

      • Havok9120

        2014 Jeter is not a high bar. It is, in fact, the lowest possible bar among starting SS’s last season.

  • Chip

    Craig Calcaterra ?@craigcalcaterra 6m6 minutes ago
    It’ll be fun when some Yanks fans see Gregorious produce better offensive numbers than ’14 Jeter and way better D and get on his ass anyway.

  • Centaur Hips

    Are we ok with giving up Greene?. Thought he had middle of the rotation starter potential. I do like that we filled SS cheaply and have a player that we have control over.

    Also the Tigers traded Fister for Greene+.

    • Seth Kaufman

      I am fine giving up Greene. He’s a league average starter who was never a highly rated guy in our system… His value has probably peaked.

      • Rick

        We have no idea if he’s even a league average starter

        • Seth Kaufman

          I agree I was just being generous :D

          Getting a 24 year old lefty hitter, plus defender at SS in Yankee stadium is a plus move.

          • Rick

            I think it’s just, at worst, a very smart use of resources. The Yankees have 10 other Shane Greene’s waiting to be called up.

    • Havok9120

      He had that potential, sure, but he was decidedly a long shot given his repertoire and track record.

  • Centaur Hips

    Are we ok with giving up Greene?. Thought he had middle of the rotation starter potential. I do like that we filled SS cheaply and have a player that we have control over.

    Also the Tigers traded Fister for Greene+.

  • novymir

    Disappointed giving up on Greene. I guess we will see Scherzer in January.

    • Jim Is Bored

      Trading someone is not giving up on them.

      • Chip

        Amen.

      • Scott

        Jim,
        you have posted like 12 things today that make too much sense. YOu aren’t allowed to continually make sense on these blogs. You have to start posting some really stupid non-sensical stuff.
        Try this – “Greene is going to cost the Yanks the WS this year. He is a future cy young winner and HoFer. Didi is Eduardo Nunez. Cashman failed”.
        Until then, I will breathe a sigh of relief reading your current comments.

    • Patrick

      Gotta give up value to get value

      • Seth Kaufman

        Greene is barely a league average starter at best. Those come a dime a dozen. McCarthy is better anyways probably. Didi has real potential. And at least is an upgraded version of Drew or Ryan

        • Jim Is Bored

          Well the don’t come a dime a dozen when they’re still cost controlled.

  • mustang

    Lester or Max is a must now I think.
    I’m still betting on Lester.

    • SweetSpot

      Cubs, Red Sox, Dodgers and Giants all over Lester.

      • mustang

        Yet he hasn’t sign!

        He is waiting on the big dog.

        • davealvarez

          I find it hard to believe the Yankees would not have even at least made a competitive offer to Lester considering all he costs is $. Cashman operates quietly.

    • davealvarez

      I would prefer Lester on a shorter term deal than Scherzer long term, especially considering he’s got a draft pick attached to him. The Yankees have a chance to pick early on next year, for the first time in nearly 10 years! They shouldn’t give that up.

    • FIPster Doofus

      Lester costs a draft pick (right?) and has more mileage on his arm than Scherzer. If they insist on splurging on a pitcher, I hope it’s Scherzer.

      • jjyank

        Lester does not cost a pick, since he was traded mid-season.

        • FIPster Doofus

          Ah, thanks. My mistake.

      • The Great Gonzo

        #1: No Pick compensation for Lester, he was a mid-season acquisition.
        #2: Zero fucks given about draft pick compensation for a pitcher like Lester or Scherzer. The cost and years would concern me more.

    • Patrick

      I agree with you. Yanks should absolutely be in on Lester. He’s a lefty, will cost less than Scherzer and no loss of draft pick if you sign him. As we know, having a good lefty starter is pretty much a necessity in Yankee stadium.

      • davealvarez

        Totally agree. I don’t think Lester would be keen on coming to New York if they haven’t offered anything way beyond what he’s seeing now, but I would also much prefer him to Scherzer.

  • LiamInAlbany

    The Flying Dutchman or The Dutch Oven? I can’t decide on a nickname for Didi.

    • Scott

      If we use Dutch Oven, I will constantly thinking of a big fat man farting under his sheets and holding his wife’s head under the covers.

  • Dan A.

    For all who are disappointed with giving up Greene. Remember, he’s older for a rookie (already 26), and he doesn’t have the minor league track record to say for certain he’ll maintain what he did last year. That doesn’t mean I wouldn’t love to have kept him in the fold, it just seams he’s a reasonable price for a 25 year old SS who can solidly man the position and has offensive upside.

    • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

      I have no problem giving up Greene, just have a problem believing that Didi has offensive upside

      • mitch

        league average for a SS was wRC+ 87.

        • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

          just because league average sucks doesn’t mean him obtaining that is “upside”.

        • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

          just because league average sucks doesn’t mean him obtaining that is “upside”.

      • mitch

        league average for a SS was wRC+ 87.

      • Dan A.

        Yes, the pacific coast league is offensive heavy, but he posted a 122 wRC+ there last year. wRC+ is taken with league average being 100, so he was 22% better than average there. He also posted a 92 wRC+ in 2013 (the last time he was playing pretty close to full time). I’m not saying he’s the next Derek Jeter. Only that he has potential to be 2013 Didi with the stick. A 92 wRC+ would have been in the top half of SS’s last year. http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=ss&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2014&month=0&season1=2014&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=17,d

    • Bobbi

      No problem giving up Greene. I liked him, but you have to give to get. And he’s not a top of the rotation guy – so, theoretically, replaceable.

    • Bobbi

      No problem giving up Greene. I liked him, but you have to give to get. And he’s not a top of the rotation guy – so, theoretically, replaceable.

  • Posada_20

    I think Bryan Mitchell can be even better than Greene if they give him a chance.

    • pat

      Probably the Yankees thinking as well.

      • davealvarez

        Bryan Mitchell, maybe Banuelos if he does well out of ST? Maybe even speed up Severino’s ascent a bit.

    • pat

      Probably the Yankees thinking as well.

    • Eric MacLaurin

      Losing Green hurts but I think Mitchell ends up pretty close.

  • HoopDreams

    I’m gonna miss Greene, hope he kills it in Detroit. He showed promise. As for Didi….god bless ya kid

  • Drew

    Trading a young unproven pitcher for a younger unproven hitter at a position the Yankees desperately need. I will take it.

    • Havok9120

      Exactly this.

      Even if you think Didi is what he is offensively (which is silly, given the kid’s age), his worse season is still better than Ryan’s average over the last five, at least by wOBA.

  • SweetSpot

    Kudos to Brain Cashman. He landed a cost controlled 24 year old athletic shortstop who is excellent defensively with upside potential at the plate for one back of the rotation pitcher while holding on to all their top prospects.

    • davealvarez

      I really liked Greene, and wish him well, but hope this means we’ll be seeing Banuelos, or maybe even Severino sooner than later.

  • Centaur Hips
  • Seth Kaufman

    Guys, there’s plenty of guys we can acquire / insert into our rotation to give us what Greene gave us last year. He was barely worth 1 win above league average for a SP. Didi has already has a season with a WAR above 1. As a 23 year old. I love the move. Plus defender, high character guy, potential power boost being a lefty in Yankee Stadium.

    • Centaur Hips

      “WAR above 1”

      That’s not impressive at all. Especially considering the SS positional adjustment. Might not have been rated accurately defensively though.

      • Jim Is Bored

        Not totally fair. He only started 14 games. Spread out to ~28-30 starts he would have been worth 2.5 WAR. That’s nothing to sneeze at.

        I would enjoy if we could not over or underrate either player in this trade.

      • Jim Is Bored

        Not totally fair. He only started 14 games. Spread out to ~28-30 starts he would have been worth 2.5 WAR. That’s nothing to sneeze at.

        I would enjoy if we could not over or underrate either player in this trade.

        • davealvarez

          That’s assuming he kept up the production over a full season. By the end of the (shortened) season, he was already showing signs of regressing. Don’t take that to be any dish on him, I really liked Greene and would have loved to see him continue to do well, but let’s be honest– how many other good potential SS could we have gotten on a 1:1 deal?

          • Jim Is Bored

            Oh I know, I don’t assume anything. I was just pointing out that saying he had a WAR slightly above 1 is using it out of context. 1.2 War in 14 starts is pretty good.

            On your side though, I’m a hesitant supporter of the deal.

            • http://shhhorsie.com Cheval Anonyme

              The Yankees traded a resource they are relatively rich in (and could have a surplus of, based on health) for one they are dirt poor in. Sabathia, Tanaka, Pineda, , Nova, with Phelps keeping the seat warm for Nova. Sure Greene is better than many other secondary options and provided great insurance, but there’s a decent chance he would have been entirely surplus once Nova comes back.

              Then, keep in mind they absolutely had to add a SS; and by trading Greene, they no longer have to eat up a 40 man slot vs. a FA signing. That actually can work to their advantage as Cashman makes further deals.

    • Centaur Hips

      “WAR above 1”

      That’s not impressive at all. Especially considering the SS positional adjustment. Might not have been rated accurately defensively though.

    • Need Pitching & Hitting

      The one win was in half a season. Finding a starter who can produce a 3.78/3.73 FIP in YS isn’t all that easy.
      Though I’m not sure Greene would have done that again either.

      • Jim Is Bored

        Agree with both of those points.

    • Need Pitching & Hitting

      The one win was in half a season. Finding a starter who can produce a 3.78/3.73 FIP in YS isn’t all that easy.
      Though I’m not sure Greene would have done that again either.

  • HoopDreams

    How long is Didi under control for?

    • Mandy Stankiewicz

      2020! (FA 2020, so 2019?)

      • Chip

        2019

      • Chip

        2019

    • Mandy Stankiewicz

      2020! (FA 2020, so 2019?)

  • Mandy Stankiewicz

    welcome to the Bronx, Didi.
    Now if only we had a hitting coach to work with the kid…

    • mustang

      LOL

    • mustang

      LOL

    • Havok9120

      Kevin Long would already be at the guy’s house if he was still the hitting coach.

      “Good morning, Didi, how are you today?”

      “Wha? Who…who are you?”

      “I’m Kevin Long. I work for the Yankees.”

      “What are you doing in my bedroom at 5AM?”

      “Well, funny story. You got traded to us today.”

      “I did?”

      “Indeed you did, M’boy. Now let’s talk about your new best friend: his name is Short Porch.”

  • Need Pitching & Hitting

    Really need to find offense somewhere else then.

    • Patrick

      You weren’t going to find it at shortstop regardless.

      • Drew

        Exactly. Unless they were going to trade for Tulo or Castro (which isn’t happening) you are going to have to deal with an average bat at best at SS. I just hope the pressure doesn’t get to the kid that he has to step into Derek’s shoes.

      • Drew

        Exactly. Unless they were going to trade for Tulo or Castro (which isn’t happening) you are going to have to deal with an average bat at best at SS. I just hope the pressure doesn’t get to the kid that he has to step into Derek’s shoes.

        • davealvarez

          He seems to be a pretty level-headed guy, from the few interviews I’ve seen. Good character, better upside than the sparse options available for the position. I would have been more excited if we landed Alexei Ramirez, but he would have cost a hell of a lot more than just Greene.

      • The Great Gonzo

        The only SS that is going to give you ‘offense’ is Tulo (when on the field) or Hanley (when not being a dog) or Rollins (maybe).

        It is what it is.

        • Patrick

          Tulo is never healthy, Hanley is not a shortstop, Rollins is a grandpa also not a good hitter anymore. Peralta is decent but he’s obviously not available. Shortstop just isn’t a good offensive position anymore.

          • speedyjohn

            Rollins may be 36, but he’s still an above-average hitter (which is saying something for a shortstop) and a good defender.

            • Patrick

              .243/.323/.394 isn’t that special. 2013 he was .252/.318/.348. Yes he is still a good defender though. He just doesn’t make my shortlist of “good offensive shortstops”

              • speedyjohn

                That’s actually pretty decent in today’s game. He had a 102 wRC+ in 2014, which means he was above league average. Once you account for him being a SS, I’d say he’s pretty good offensively. The only better ones in 2014 were Hanley (not a true SS defensively), Peralta, Castro and Desmond.

                • Patrick

                  Ok that’s fair. I just feel that Rollins is about to fall off a cliff, so I wouldn’t really want to go after him.

                  I was just thinking about this the other day, if you were building a team and could pick any shortstop to be on your team who do you pick? At this point it pretty much comes down to Ian Desmond and Jhonny Peralta. I probably go with Desmond. It’s scary how bad the SS position is nowadays.

                  • speedyjohn

                    I’m picking Tulo, and I think a couple others (Reyes, Hardy, Simmons) should be in there as well, but I see your point.

                    • Patrick

                      Tulo is definitely the most talented. But he just can’t stay healthy and now he’s over 30. Reyes is older too and also has health problems. Desmond has been really pretty good for the last 3 years; 4-5 win player. Stays on the field, good hitter and good fielder. I think he’s the best all around SS in the game.

                    • speedyjohn

                      120 games out of Tulo is still better than any other SS.

              • Wicomico Pinstripes

                His 102 wRC+ was tied for fifth among SS last year. He’s still a pretty good hitting SS.

                • louis

                  Good hitting for a shortstop*

      • The Great Gonzo

        The only SS that is going to give you ‘offense’ is Tulo (when on the field) or Hanley (when not being a dog) or Rollins (maybe).

        It is what it is.

      • Need Pitching & Hitting

        True. This just makes it official.

    • Patrick

      You weren’t going to find it at shortstop regardless.

  • YankeeB

    Gregorius isn’t a terrible pickup, especially at that price. He’s got the potential to be a nice player and he’s a lot cheaper. Might make it easier for them to bite the bullet on Headley since they won’t be spending the money on Drew. Plus it tells you that CC and Nova might be healthier than we think. We can all hope.

    • davealvarez

      I don’t know if this means much for Headley. He’s pretty determined to get 4 years, and the Yankees are pretty determined to not go beyond 3. I think they’re more willing to have Prado at 3rd, and give Pirela or Refsnyder the job at 2nd, than overpay Headley. Cashman even said it when he acquired him- he saw him as a rental player.

      • YankeeB

        Fair point, but you’d like to have a little more infield depth in the event that Teixiera breaks down and/or the Refsnyder/Pirela duo wash out at the big league level. But I can see where that kind of money is a little expensive for insurance.

        • davealvarez

          I agree, I’d love to see Headley back on a more reasonable contract, but also understand he’s going for as much as he can get. Not sure who may have offered him 4 years, $65 million, but they’re out of their minds.

  • Tyrone Sharpton

    CBS reports the deal is done

  • Tyrone Sharpton

    CBS reports the deal is done

  • Bigdan

    724 major league plate appearances. .680 OPS. I wonder what Almonte would have done with that many ML plate appearances?

    The point is, this player has shown no ability to hit major league pitching despite a considerable number of major league ABs. He’s now 25. He’s not 22. He hit pretty well in the minor leagues, for a SS prospect that is. So I guess there’s is some hope. But how much?

    • Jim Is Bored

      Can Almonte play shortstop?

    • Jim Is Bored

      Can Almonte play shortstop?

      • Bigdan

        Missing the point for $200 Alex.

      • Bigdan

        Missing the point for $200 Alex.

        • Jim Is Bored

          RAB, can we vote on who exactly is missing the point in this thread?

          • SweetSpot

            “The Kid”?

          • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

            The broken needle that’s around here somewhere.

            • Jim Is Bored

              You’re the worst kind of person. Upvote.

              • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

                We all have to fill roles in life. This is mine .

        • http://shhhorsie.com Cheval Anonyme

          Just another great conversation between Bigdan and the smartest person he knows.

      • Centaur Hips

        Both have 80 first names though.

    • Drew

      your math is very off. Just over 600 PA. you might be counting his AAA PA as well from this year.

      • Bigdan

        I think you are confusing ABs with PAs. In three years, Didi has had 724 PAs.

    • blake

      not much probably…..see Dickerson, C.

      • Bigdan

        But we would know what he was wouldn’t we? Do we already know that about Didi?

        • blake

          nope but for Shane Greene it’s worth finding out……SS is a totlaly different animal than corner outfield. If Didi can OPS .700 and play good defense then that’s a real solution in 2014…..

    • Scott

      Contact me when Almonte has a good ML season. And the OPS average last year for AL SS was .670

    • Centaur Hips

      .680 is almost league average, and is probably close to league average for a SS.

  • Bigdan

    724 major league plate appearances. .680 OPS. I wonder what Almonte would have done with that many ML plate appearances?

    The point is, this player has shown no ability to hit major league pitching despite a considerable number of major league ABs. He’s now 25. He’s not 22. He hit pretty well in the minor leagues, for a SS prospect that is. So I guess there’s is some hope. But how much?

  • Patrick

    Like I said earlier .. he still has potential to grow at the plate:

    Mark Simon ?@msimonespn
    Didi Gregorius was one of 34 players to have hard-hit rate of at least 20% in 2014

    And look who he ranks between! pic.twitter.com/n0ws710eNz

  • Patrick

    Like I said earlier .. he still has potential to grow at the plate:

    Mark Simon ?@msimonespn
    Didi Gregorius was one of 34 players to have hard-hit rate of at least 20% in 2014

    And look who he ranks between! pic.twitter.com/n0ws710eNz

    • Jim Is Bored

      Data! Good post :)

    • http://shhhorsie.com Cheval Anonyme

      According to this, our little Didi is right between Giancarlo Stanton and Mike Trout. I’ll take that!

    • DZ

      This is an awesome stat… Any idea where to actually get these numbers?

      • Patrick

        Nope, I reposted it from twitter.

  • Chip

    Cashman’s last 5 deals:
    Vidal Nuno for Brandon McCarthy
    Raf DePaula and Yangervis Solarte for Headley
    Pete O’Brien for Prado
    Kelly Johnson for Stephen Drew
    Shane Greene for Didi Gregorious

    That’s pretty darn good.

  • Chip

    Cashman’s last 5 deals:
    Vidal Nuno for Brandon McCarthy
    Raf DePaula and Yangervis Solarte for Headley
    Pete O’Brien for Prado
    Kelly Johnson for Stephen Drew
    Shane Greene for Didi Gregorious

    That’s pretty darn good.

    • Havok9120

      I would also point out that all of them were CashNinja deals where we heard the first rumor roughly as the papers were being signed.

      • Jim Is Bored

        I would add this to the list of reasons people should stop freaking out when 3 days pass and we haven’t heard any Yankee news. But the list was long enough already. No one will listen.

      • Wicomico Pinstripes

        So don’t make any assumptions based on leaks or the lack there of. Some people need reminding of this more often.

    • Havok9120

      I would also point out that all of them were CashNinja deals where we heard the first rumor roughly as the papers were being signed.

    • Centaur Hips

      They must love the Dbacks.

    • SweetSpot

      You’re not kidding.

    • http://shhhorsie.com Cheval Anonyme

      Well, those are all great in terms of quality of players. But McCarthy and Headley were trading long-term youth for very short rentals, and that matters. I agree with the overall assessment of Cashman’s trading skills, but let’s not get carried away on all of those deals.

      And I do approve of the Didi deal. If we sign a decent starter (McCarthy or better), Green becomes part of a back-of-the-order logjam.

      • Rick

        Nuno is long term youth? Solarte too? Also a major difference between quality players and simply cost controlled

        • http://shhhorsie.com Cheval Anonyme

          Yeah, my point was really more about the long-term than the youth; in contrast to the short-term rentals. Let’s not overrate half a season of a good player. If these deals had pushed the Yankees over the top, it would have been a different story; but since they did not,they don’t seem to me to have been more than equal value at best. Think of it this way– the Yankees no longer have those same values to trade for a short term rental in 2015, in the unlikely event they are contenders.

    • louis

      Jury could still be out on a couple of those imo.

      • Rick

        Nope, all verdicts were returned. I have them in my filing cabinet next to me.

    • http://cnn.com/ Magic Rat

      Cervelli / Wilson too

  • Tanaka2015CyYoung

    So basically we got a younger version of Brandon Ryan…

    • SweetSpot

      Wrong.

      • speedyjohn

        Eh, not so far off.

        • SweetSpot

          How do you know that when he is 24 and Ryan is 32?

          • speedyjohn

            “Younger version”

            • SweetSpot

              Two different players with nothing in common.

              • speedyjohn

                Except for being all-glove, no-bat shortstops.

                • SweetSpot

                  How can you say he has no bat when he is only 24 and has only played part of two years in the show? And scouts and some GM’s say he has good upside potential at bat.

                  • speedyjohn

                    I say he has no bat because he’s given no indication he can hit major league pitching, and his only minor league success has come in the notoriously hitter-friendly PCL.

                    Obviously, I’d be thrilled if he proves me wrong.

    • Havok9120

      He could be that, sure. But he’s never had a year as bad as what Ryan has averaged at the plate over the last five seasons.

    • Posada_20

      Pretty good assessment without even giving him a chance.

  • Tanaka2015CyYoung

    So basically we got a younger version of Brandon Ryan…

  • Terry Noack

    There’s a hole in the starting rotation now. Does this mean there is something brewing with one of the FA’s on the market.. Lester/Scherzer?

    • Centaur Hips

      Greene probably was a hole. They just made it slightly deeper.

      • Wicomico Pinstripes

        Agreed. I would have felt much more comfortable with Greene as the sixth starter going into camp.

    • SweetSpot

      You know Cashman is not done.

    • blake

      I really think it’s gonna be Scherzer….I’ve had that feeling for a little while now.

      • Permínio Neto

        I think it’s gonna be Lester. I remember reading somewhere that he and Ellsbury were close friends.

        • blake

          hope you’re right.

    • http://www.placetobenation.com placetobepodcast

      I think so for sure.

    • louis

      Honestly I think it’s wishful thinking for anyone thinking the yanks are gonna add a superstar.pitcher.

      • louis

        McCarthy seems to me to be a lot more likely but everyone keeps making the assumption.that they are lurking in the wings for Lester/ Scherzer.

  • Mark Franco

    “It is HIGH…it is FAR…it iiiiiiiis GONE! Di-di…hits a bee-bee! You’re looking GORgeous, Gregorius! And the Yankees take a 3-2 lead!!!!” Ding-dong ding-dong….

    • Permínio Neto

      Awesome call.

    • Drew

      Gregorius is GLORIOUS!

      • Terry

        The biggest indicator of success of a young player is Walks-to-Strikeout ratio.

        Didi was already weak at the plate in a hitting-friendly environment in Arizona, declining in everything from OBP to BB-k ratio, and increasing his leverage isn’t going to help matters. Either his strikeouts increase further or his OBP drops lower (if that’s possible).

        The two issues last season were:

        1) Offense

        2) Starting Rotation injuries

        How did acquiring Didi help problem #1?

        How did getting rid of Shane Greene help problem #2?

        Greene was the healthiest starting pitcher with almost no mileage on his arm! And his walks-to-strikeout ratio was superb for a veteran, let alone a rookie!

  • LarryM Fl

    It seems fair that the Yankees had value with a pitcher (Greene) who pitched well enough to get us a potential big league shortstop with range. The Yanks need to get younger. The opportunity is now. With Headley overpriced and more then likely going elsewhere . Didi at short, Ref at 2nd with Martin at third this a cheap fix. Now spend some money on pitching.

  • mattpat11

    If nothing else, he clears the Brendan Ryan bar.

  • Bigdan

    Based on all the evidence we have so far, is it reasonable to assume Didi will ever hit? And if he doesn’t hit, then what’s an all glove 25 year old SS really worth today?

    That’s why this move is pretty gutsy. Because Greene is going to be very very cheap as a member of someone’s rotation for the next five years.

    • Jim Is Bored

      It’d be nice if you’d address anyone’s replies to your comments. Who else is going to hit at the SS position?

      • Rick

        Refsnyder. He’ll hit from 2B and LF, too

    • CashmanNinja

      Didi is also very cheap for several more years. If he even becomes “average” offensively, while playing great defense, that would be insanely valuable. More than a #5 starter, in my opinion. I loved Greene here, but a good shortstop is rare. Last year Jhonny Peralta got $50+ mil, and that’s after a PED suspension. Asdrubal Cabrera, Jed Lowrie, Stephen Drew, etc are going to cost a lot of $$ and neither of them offer the defense of Didi. I mean…a lot of guys wanted to sign Drew to a 1 year pillow contract. A 1 year deal for him would probably be $5-10 mil. He provided NO offense at all and I’d say Didi gives better defense…so we get Didi for a fraction of the price. It’s simply worth the risk. The only thing though is that now the Yankees HAVE to go out and get a starter, but at least they have some $$ to play with now.

      • Bigdan

        There’s no question that having a cheap long term (hopefully) solution at SS gives the Yanks not just more budgetary options this year but next year as well. And they need that. Let’s see what they do with that new found financial freedom. And we know this guy has a glove for sure and that is value. Especially at SS.

        But this team, giving up young pitching? Greene had the best stuff I’ve seen any Yankee starter have outside of Joba over the last 10 years. His stuff last year was 10X than what I ever saw from Hughes.

        It’s a gutsy move.

        • CashmanNinja

          Betances’ stuff is better…

          • Bigdan

            As a starter.

            • CashmanNinja

              Hughes had some pretty good stuff, but his problem with not being able to get 3rd strikes. And either way you’re complaining because the Yankees got a shortstop. Who else was there that could be had? Didi is much better value than Asdrubal, Lowrie, etc. The price tag for Castro was sky high. We gave up a starter who was already 25 for a SS who had more potential. The main reason to do the trade was because they can go and get a starter right now. There are some great ones available (Lester, Scherzer, and to a lesser extent, Shields). Then there’s also McCarthy. Any of those pitchers are an upgrade over Greene right now. And I happen to be a huge Greene fan so I’m not just blowing smoke. I don’t like that we gave him up, but I can live with it because I like the result of us giving him up: Didi.

              • Bigdan

                There was a very simple alternative solution to a no hit all glove SS for the next two years already on their roster. Would have cost the Yanks zero and they could still go out now and get another pitcher.

                Didi OPS’d .653 last year in 300 PAs. If he does that again in 2015 this will be a big problem.

                • Jim Is Bored

                  I don’t think you understand what a 12 wrc+ is. Brendan Ryan was not a no-hit all glove SS. He was a “OH MY GOD A BASEBALL WTF IS THAT IVE NEVER SEEN ONE BEFORE IN MY LIFE TURN AROUND” hit and pretty good glove SS.

  • gageagainstthemachine

    So nobody will be commenting today on RAB is what you’re saying?

    In all seriousness, this is pretty big news. I don’t really like losing Greene, but he’s far from a sure thing and if it doesn’t take too much more than him to land a SS.

  • Wave Your Hat

    Gregorius’ average expectation offensively is probably Stephen Drew’s upside, and he’s cheaper and under club control, so I sure prefer him to Drew. And considering the cost of Lowrie or Asdrubal Cabrera, and their defensive shortcomings, I prefer Gregorius to them too. And Gregorius won’t foreclose the possibility of getting someone better if someone better comes along – he could always be traded for someone like Shane Greene. Plus trading Greene means the Yanks are definitely in the market for a starting pitcher.

    So, I like this deal.

  • Centaur Hips

    http://www.fangraphs.com/depthcharts.aspx?position=ALL&teamid=15#SS

    Here’s his projection. Will probably get 600+ PAs though so the WAR is low.

  • TopChuckie

    The only way I really like it is if this means they will take the money saved at SS and give it to Headley. The upside there is improved offense and a kickass defensive IF.

    • Centaur Hips

      If they get Headley:

      Headley Didi Prado Tex McCann. Plus 2 great outfielders. Only weakness would be Beltran and Arod when he’s out there.

      • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

        what about the weaknesses offensively?

        • Centaur Hips

          What about it? There’s still time to get a bat. I do agree they still need better position players. But the defense should be a plus at least.

        • Havok9120

          What combination of guys could they have gotten that would have addressed that in a significantly better manner than this?

          • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

            Offensively? I think any of the available FA (drew, cabrera, lowrie) would be better at the plate, much weaker defensively for sure but this team has major problems offensively.

            I’ve said it before – I don’t have a problem dealing Greene and I don’t think he is some star who is going to be amazing, I just hope we didn’t deal him so that we have a young warm body to play SS when we would have been better off signing one of the shitty FA to a 1 year deal and holding Greene to either be a back end guy or be there for when the all but certain injuries hit CC and company or to include in a deal for someone better than Didi. To me we basically have Brendan Ryan as the back up to a younger and cheaper Brendan Ryan now.

            • Havok9120

              The only FA projected at a one year deal is Drew. Now, I would have been able to live with that, but I still think Drew at 6-10 million is a worse deal than 5 years of Didi entering his physical prime when there looks to be so little room to maneuver payroll-wise during the next couple seasons.

              • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

                and if Didi hits .240 with a .300 OBP this year you still have to go out and get another SS if you want to compete.

        • http://cnn.com/ Magic Rat

          One could argue that by all indication, they’re not going to have high-powered offence anyway – making the D and of course pitching, that much more important.

      • CashmanNinja

        That really would be a good defensive infield. I want.

        • http://cnn.com/ Magic Rat

          Especially for a ground ball pitcher like Greene…oh wait, I mean McCarthy er…never mind.

  • Wicomico Pinstripes

    There’s no way of knowing who won the trade, so let’s not get into that nonsense. I do like the trade though. Selling high and buying low is something Cashman seems to do well, so I’ll trust him on this one.

    • Havok9120

      And our pro scouting department has done some darn fine work since 2010 or so. I’m on board.

  • Mayan Brickann

    User Actions FollowingJoel ShermanVerified account?@Joelsherman1
    In 1st AB for #diamondbacks, 4/18/13, Gregorius HRed off Hughes at Stadium. #Yankees will believe his LH bat will produce some power at YS

    • Mayan Brickann

      Not sure hitting a homerun off of the 2013 version of Phil Hughes AT Yankee Stadium is a strong power selling point.

      • CashmanNinja

        Yeah…Hughes gave up a lot of HR to guys at Yankee Stadium that year. But the Yankees also seem to be pretty good when it comes to projecting how guys will transition to the stadium via trades. Swisher, Granderson…maybe Didi is the next one. Maybe he’ll suddenly become a 15 HR guy. Dear lord that would be insanely awesome, but at this point he just needs to hit more than like…4 to surpass Jeter’s power outage.

      • http://cnn.com/ Magic Rat

        Anyone notice who was first to congratulate Didi in the Snakes dugout after that homer off of Hughes?

        Prado!

        Means absolutely nothing of course but just thought it was ironic.

  • SweetSpot

    There are plenty of good pitchers out there – Cashman knows what he needs to do and he will get it done. Watch.

  • Posada_20

    Does anyone feel that Bryan Mitchell/Manny Banuelos can replace Greene?

    • Rick

      Mitchell could replace him tomorrow.

    • Patrick

      Easily.

      I would prefer Jon Lester replace Greene though.

    • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

      I’ll still be Pollyanna for Manny.

    • CashmanNinja

      Mitchell may be able to, but I don’t think he can give the length that Greene gave. Mitchell seems to be more of a 5 IP at this point. I personally think he’d be better off as a reliever because he could then dial it up to 97 and use that curve much more effectively, but he was also pretty good in his spot start against the Orioles. So maybe Mitchell could be a #5 guy. I don’t have as much faith with Man-Ban yet. He hasn’t even really proved he can stay healthy and be effective over the course of a season yet and he may also wind up in the pen in the future.

      • Bigdan

        I think Mitchell is destined for the bullpen. Might be good at it too.

  • Rick

    We gave up friggen Shane Greene. Everyone needs to relax. Whether you’re a fan of Didi or not, the team gave up basically nothing for a nice lottery ticket.

    • Jim Is Bored

      At least we didn’t give up Chase Whitley!

      • Rick

        Thank god for that

    • dickylarue

      I actually really liked Shane Greene.

      • Havok9120

        So do (he’s not dead, after all) I. But, objectively, there were serious questions about his ability to stick as a SP, let alone be a quality SP going forward.

      • Rick

        Had a couple good starts. Don’t know him personally.

  • blake

    Didi, Moncada, Drob, and Lester/Scherzer….that would be a cool offseason and they’d at least have a chance in 2015.

    • Patrick

      Headley too :)

      Also McCarthy. Sorry, I’m greedy.

      • Jim Is Bored

        I really want McCarthy back.

        • Rick

          I want his wife back.

          • Jim Is Bored

            And his twitter account (follow him, if you don’t).

      • blake

        I think if they get Lester or scherzer it’ll be with Headley and McCarthy’s money but I’m cool if now.

        • mustang

          “I think if they get Lester or scherzer it’ll be with Headley’s money but I’m cool if now.”

          FIXED
          Agree ..LOL

    • scastro87

      I don’t think Moncada will be in the majors in 2015 no matter what. But agreed on the rest.

      • blake

        no I don’t think so either…..

  • mustang

    god damn RAB!!!!!!

    You convinced me!!!!

    “You’re looking GORgeous, Gregorius!”

    LOL

    Lester or Max better be next.

  • Throwstrikes

    Didi = rebound shortstop. Helps to distract you from missing the last one but not the long term solution.

    • Centaur Hips

      He could very well be the long term solution actually. Young and controlled and has the potential.

      • Havok9120

        Exactly. He’s no sure thing to be The Guy until 2019, but he’s got a shot if the bat develops a bit and he sure won’t stop the Yanks from pursuing other options.

  • mustang

    Don’t tell me Yankees fans aren’t hungry the comments here are going up faster than a Mustang
    GT500 Super Snake
    LOL

  • ewb81

    Yankees have money. Money can buy pitching in this market but not a SS. Can sign Scherzer and McCarthy if they want and no one misses Green. What is the option at SS? Good use of resources.

    • FIPster Doofus

      Yeah, agreed. Didn’t like the trade at first because of Didi’s lack of offense, but I’ve come around (Drew, Lowrie aren’t exactly world-beaters at the plate and they’re in their 30s and more expensive). Nice move by Cashman.

    • davealvarez

      I agree as well. A pretty balanced 1:1 trade. Sad to see Greene go, but look forward to Gregorious’ upside.

    • FriarFlyer

      People crying about losing Greene who no one knew before July and some wanted back in Scranton as reserve when starters went down in 15…enough depth at AAA and enough FA pitching still available…

  • Captain Clutch

    I am surprised that the Diamonbacks didn’t want Greene for Didi straight up. They make a lot of weird moves and basically give players away.

  • Havok9120

    I’ve never been a fan of Didi. Wrote a long post last year about how he was the worst of the supposedly available SS’s on the trade market.

    Fact is, we were never going to get much offense from the position. The guys who provide it are locked up and aren’t available without gutting the farm. Greene has middling stuff for a starter and one good year in the minors to go along with half a season in the majors. I really like him and think he’ll do well going forward, but our need for an SS (a real SS, not the Lowrie/Cabrera style SS) outweighed our need for pitching in an era where you can grab a guy off the sidewalk and he’ll give you an ERA under 4.50. Plus, questionable bat or no, he’s got a better offensive track record than Ryan and at 25 there’s still potential there.

    Color me a fan.

  • rogue

    I don’t like trading Greene. Didi better not suck.

    • TB

      This trade has potential to be a disaster

      • FIPster Doofus

        Not really.

      • Jim Is Bored

        312 comments before we get the overreactive idiot. I’m glad we held out for so long.

        • TB

          Well I know who we just acquired – you don’t

          • Jim Is Bored

            Oh.

          • Jim Is Bored

            Ok, Terrence.

          • Scott

            We all know, his name is Didi Gregorius, it’s in the papers, on the internet and radio. it isn’t a secret. We also know that they gave up Greene and the Tigers gave up Ray and Leyte.
            So we are the rest of us missing that your 10 pound brain knows?

  • swizmo

    Tigers must be pretty high on Shane Greene. Robbie Ray and Leyba seems like a lot.

    • FIPster Doofus

      Ray’s pretty bad, but Baseball America did rank Leyba as Detroit’s fifth-best prospect.

  • TB

    I don’t like this trade in the least – Is DidI cheap and young yes – Can he field yes – But he is limited offensively and we just gave up a pitcher with lots of potential who was also cheap and controllable.

    • davealvarez

      You said it yourself- Didi is cheap and young. Greene is already 26, with limited major league experience. Upside definitely, but so is Didi, and you have to give to get. I’m just glad it was ONLY Greene, and not a package deal. Greene projects to be a #4 or #5 guy, and if that’s all it took to land a SS prospect ready to start out of ST, then I’ll take it. Consider this an omen or precursor to some bigger FA SP signings by next week.

      • TB

        Yes but Didi isn’t good that’s the problem lol – And I made statements in the past saying I didn’t want him on these boards. Not only do we lose a good looking young pitcher like Greene we sent him to Detroit

        • Rick

          What do Greene’s looks have to do with anything?

          • Jim Is Bored

            Terrence is going to miss his dreamy eyes.

        • davealvarez

          Who would you have preferred the Yankees acquired for SS?

      • TB

        Didi’s offensive upside I hate to tell you this is quite limited

        • Havok9120

          As opposed to the two pitch starter that had no real success in pro ball until 2013?

  • blake

    Getting Gregorus doesn’t preclude them from getting somebody better if they come along either…..one of the best things about this is he’s cheap and if it doesn’t work out they can just move on to someone else. It’s a good risk though and it at least gives them a chance to fix SS long term.

    • Bigdan

      If he replicates his .650 OPS next year, everyone will say the team could have gotten that from Ryan. And still had a young arm in their rotation. With no impact on the budget. That’s the downside risk here. And it’s big.

      • Wave Your Hat

        In their dreams they would have gotten a .650 OPS from Ryan. I’d kiss the ground if he came within 75 points of that.

      • Havok9120

        Except there’s no evidence Ryan is capable of producing a .650 OPS, regardless of what angry Yankee fans say on the internet.

      • Jim Is Bored

        Brendan Ryan had a .413(!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) OPS last year.

  • bernbabybern

    Greene pitched great except for 2 starts. He looked good.

    Didi is supposed to be a defensive SS yet his fielding numbers suck.

    Don’t like this trade.

    • Rick

      Fielding numbers suck according to what?

      • bernbabybern

        Fangraphs and bbref.

        Ready to be told otherwise.

        • Jim Is Bored

          If you can summarize how they calculate defensive metrics, and tell me how many years they take to become relevant, I will completely submit to your judgment on this issue.

          • Rick

            Same thought process? Nice.

            • Jim Is Bored

              I’d hope that anyone who understands defensive metrics, their strengths and absolutely their weaknesses, would think the same way. I don’t love them, I don’t know that they’re accurate even in larger samples, but if someone’s going to use them they should use them correctly.

              • Rick

                Especially take the 5 minutes it will take to read fangraph’s own explanation on how they should be interpreted.

        • Rick

          Read the page that tells you how to interpret all of those stats before attempting to just take them at face value. There was a great article on FG yesterday on how defensive numbers just aren’t all that valuable yet – especially for young players with small samples. You’re judging basically 50 plays that he made – and maybe not even correctly.

        • Patrick

          2014 the fielding stats look bad, but you have to look at UZR in 3 year samples. It’s pretty variable year to year. Scouts say he is a very good fielder, I would lean more towards that. Metrics also back that up in 2013.

          • Rick

            I guess he has now been told otherwise.

            • bernbabybern

              Saying “we don’t know” is not really being told otherwise.

              • Rick

                I didn’t see anyone say “we don’t know” anywhere.

        • Dan A.

          Small sample size problems. Most people say it takes three full seasons for defensive stats to normalize. Didi played 1521 IN total at SS, which is slightly more than 1 full season.

    • Jim Is Bored

      We dont’ have enough fielding numbers yet. Scouting reports are much higher on him.

      • Rick

        My point exactly. You may be bored, Jim. But I like you and you keep me entertained.

    • TB

      Its a bad trade unless Greene flops – what makes it worse is we sent Greene to Detroit which is a great park for him – We just helped out the Tigers in a big way

      • Centaur Hips

        Greene still has to prove himself. So does Didi.

      • Rick

        Can’t worry about helping other teams. Need to do what’s best for your own. It’s not like we’re playing Detroit in the fantasy football playoffs this week and we just traded them Megatron when they had no WRs.

        • TB

          Rick we didn’t do that – we got a shortstop who isn’t a good hitter – he is one dimensional

          • Jim Is Bored

            You and bigdan are both ignoring the “WHO THE FUCK CAN HIT AT THE SS POSITION?!?!?!” question.

            Continue, Terrence.

            • TB

              I Would rather sign drew for a year then give up a good young pitcher for a SS who cant hit – plenty of players I would signed before this guy

              • Wave Your Hat

                You didn’t even know who Shane Greene was a year ago at this time.

          • Havok9120

            It took you one day, one freaking day, to start criticizing a player the Yankees acquired as one dimensional after holding up Pedro Alvarez, the posterchild of one dimensional players, as a top 10 3B.

      • Bigdan

        There’s huge downside risk here.

        • TB

          Dan its honestly a terrible move by cashman and he gave greene to Detroit which makes it even worse

          • Bigdan

            He has to hit for this deal to work out for the Yanks.

  • Centaur Hips
  • Terry Noack

    Money saved from this trade can now be used to maybe get both Miller and Robertson. Who knows what’s up the sleeves of the FO.

    • Drew

      money saved? Huh?

      • Posada_20

        He means by not spending on Drew or Tulo

        • Terry Noack

          exactly.. Didi is cost controlled for 5 yrs. Hit his first HR off Hughes I do believe.

      • davealvarez

        I assume he means by not overpaying Drew or Cabrera. Though honestly, really just a drop in the bucket for the Yankees.

        • Havok9120

          6-10 million for Drew is not a drop in the bucket when we’re most likely looking at no more than 20-30 million dollars of payroll room this offseason.

          • Rick

            Why more people don’t understand that is baffling.

  • Big Member

    this is exactly why my respect for jeter went down after last year. he decided to retire knowing that the team will have a huge hole at ss in 2015. look at the guy who will have his locker next year, .226 hitter who banged 3 HR? and cashman gave up the only reliable starter the team has for him? not only did jeter disrespect the team by leaving at a crucial time but he also cost them shane green. you can talk all you want about the guy being a good player, but he aint yogi or mantle.

    • Andrew L

      lol

      • pfoj

        Said it better than anyone else.

    • Jim Is Bored

      Please stay!

      • Rick

        I mean … Dan’s closing lines are by far the best on this blog. “He aint Yogi or Mantle.” Yesterday he went with the “No one will speak Caucasian.” How can you not love this guy?

        • Jim Is Bored

          And he calls the guys helping Girardi “couches”.

        • hansdee

          Dutch is Caucasian. Mostly. Close to German, which is very Caucasian.

          • Wave Your Hat

            No, I think Ukranian is really Caucasian.

            • hansdee

              There is something to be said for that also.

    • SweetSpot

      “Derek Jeter cost the Yankees Shane Green” – Oh my. Worst post of the year. Congrats.

      • Havok9120

        Satirical poster posts satire. News at 11.

      • Big Member

        derek had at least 5 years to mentor a young kid as his replacement. results? nunez, pirellan, ryan and ramiro pena? the guy is just pure ego.

    • Patrick

      Good post, got a chuckle. Troll harder

      • Jim Is Bored

        He’s not a troll so much as an entertainer. Read him lightheartedly and it helps deal with TB and bigdan.

        • Patrick

          For me, a good troll is highly entertaining. So he did his job!

          • Wave Your Hat

            Big Member means the opposite of what he says. And he’s real good at it.

    • pfoj

      I think Derek Jeter did enough to help the Yankees win through the course of his life. Not sure he owed us anything more.

    • CashmanNinja

      Jeter was a shell of his former self. His ankle/leg wasn’t what it used to be, the injuries took their toll, and he wanted to end his career on his terms. He wasn’t like Brett Favre who’d keep going out there until a limb fell off and his numbers were putrid. He didn’t want to become a laughing stock. His defense has already completely fallen off the map…the offense slipped to near nothing. You bash Didi’s numbers, but you do realize he hit SIX HR right? That’s 2 more than Jeter…in less games. And you whine about this guy not being Yogi or Mantle. NOBODY IS THEM. There’s a reason why they’re All-Time greats. Hate to break it to you, but Greene is no Whitey Ford.

      • Big Member

        people always compare jeter to yogi and mantle but those guys were pure team. mantle mentored marris to be his replacement and yogi led a new generation of pitching stars, thats exactly what me and my mom spoke today on the phone and she agreed with me 100%. like i already said, jeter had YEARS to train a replacement but all his efforts failed (nenez, pena, ryan). the guy only cared winning rings for himself and doesnt care about the state of the team and has only harmed it so far in 2015.

        • CashmanNinja

          First off, nobody ever compares Jeter to those other greats. The only one who was REALLY compared to a great was Murcer being compared to Mantle. Nobody ever said “C.J. Henry is going to be the next Derek Jeter.” or anything of the like. Plus it isn’t Jeter’s job to freaking train his replacement. He wasn’t a coach, he was a player, and he was supposed to focus and prepare for himself. This whole “mentoring” stuff is BS. Brett Favre didn’t mentor Aaron Rodgers, but Rodgers certainly made Packers fans forget about Favre leaving. That’s not saying Didi will surpass Jeter, but Didi could definitely help make post-Jeter life easier to deal with. You’re seriously blaming Jeter because Ramiro Pena, Eduardo Nunez, etc never panned out. You must have absolutely no life if you sign up for here just to troll. Go back under your bridge.

          • Big Member

            first of all “ninja” i will overlook your deragatory statements and act like an adult in the room. jeter is always talked about as being the leader and captain of the team. what does a leader do? he LEADS and CAPTAINS. a captain doesnt ABANDON the ship when he doesnt have a replacement. and what does american football have to do with all of this?

            • CashmanNinja

              You are nothing but a crying little brat. You talk about maturity, but you whine about Jeter not being a “good captain”. Ok…so how many other players mentor guys and groom them to take over their position? What Yankees have done that? Mattingly didn’t groom a 1st base replacement. Omggg Mattingly abandoned the team!

              • Big Member

                again, i will be the bigger man. want a list of players on the yankees who mentored their replacements properly? Okay!

                Mo: D-Rob
                Jorge- Cervelli (he taught him how to hit and field, not jorge’s fault he got injured)
                Musina- Nova, Phelps
                Matsui- Gardner

                Need I go further back in time?

            • Scott

              The entire major league baseball players union would disagree with you on jeter not leading.
              And it is not up to Jeter to make sure the Yanks have a SS in place before he retires. Top ten list of all time dumbest things said on this blog.

          • hansdee

            Didn’t Jeter scout and sign all three of those guys?

    • Masahiro Odell Nakamura Jr

      What?

      • Rick

        Rule #1 – Never try to make sense of it.

  • LiamInAlbany

    Sterling call: The Dutch Master! It’s Didi! With a Greglorious shot to right center field! And the Yankees take a 2-nothing lead!

  • Kevin McCaul

    I would say the old “maybe Kevin Long can work on his pull swing” bit but I guess that doesn’t apply now. I’d also say “i guess our new hitting instructor can fix him up” but that also doesn’t apply.

  • Posada_20

    If Didi doesn’t get off to a good start there will be countless fans ready to jump on Cashman for this trade

    • Mayan Brickann

      Don’t see how he can be jumped on if all it cost him was Greene.

      • Scott

        Because for some posters the sky is always falling. Whatever move the FO makes some here will complain. The sad part is it is the same people that will come down on the deal regardless of who they traded or signed via FA.
        They could have traded for Tulo (for a huge package of prospects I might add) and these same complainers would complain that they gave up too many prospects. They could have signed Hanley and the same ones would complain that they gave up too many years and too much money when they could have signed Drew. However, if they signed Drew, the same dudes would say they wasted money on a washed up has been who failed for them last year. It is just the nature of some people.

    • Rick

      Even if he doesn’t get off to a good a start, it will be better than Derek last year. I will forever miss Derek though.

    • Wicomico Pinstripes

      Have you read a good portion of the comments?

    • Jake

      Shane Greene future cy young.

  • ewb81

    Can we focus on the important thing, yelling “Di Di” as a fan is just going to be fun. Greene was good last year and all but no way to effectively chant his name in any type of entertaining fashion. Total upgrade on the cheering front.

  • Posada_20

    NOw lets sign Moncada!

  • SweetSpot

    Shortstops in Seasons 1 and 2:

    Ozzie Smith – .208 and .211
    Cal Ripken, Jr. – .128 and .264
    Robin Yount – .250 and .267
    Alan Trammell – .186 AND .268
    Didi Gregorius – .252 AND .226

    • Centaur Hips

      Doesn’t mean much honestly. Didi is a separate case. Every player is.

      • SweetSpot

        It means you don’t judge a player conclusively after two seasons.

        • Jim Is Bored

          Which applies to Greene as well, funny enough.

        • hansdee

          And I don’t think either was a full season.

    • FIPster Doofus

      Irrelevant.

    • blake

      Ozzie couldn’t hit for like 5 years…..honestly I don’t know if Ozzie would have stuck around long enough to become Ozzie if he played today…..he really couldn’t hit at all for a long time.

  • blake

    @AndrewMarchand: By the way, Cashman spent the morning rappelling off the side of a building in Stamford, CT.

    No way…..you can’t do baseball business and charity at the same time!

    • bernbabybern

      He must have fallen on his head.

    • Scott

      Damn it Cashman, making trades and raising money for a worthy cause simultaneously. What a dick.

      • hansdee

        Has he ever heard of just writing a check? I’ve done the 5K’s but writing a check is a lot easier.

        • Scott

          That’s funny. I laughed.

    • CashmanNinja

      It makes me think of that James Franco commercial when he falls off the building, but luckily has his handy dandy smart phone in hand.

  • Michael Berkowitz

    Awful. We had ONE open position at which we could add to our dreadful offense….and instead, we got young Brendan Ryan. And gave up Shane Greene in the process. This pretty much guarantees that the offense still sucks.

    • Havok9120

      Who was the SS that was going to turn the offense around?

      • Rick

        A-Rod

      • Vern Sneaker

        Exactly.

      • TB

        The point is they gave up a good young controllable pitcher for a SS who cant hit – they could signed drew instead and not giving up anyone

        • bernbabybern

          That would involve spending money.

        • Patrick

          Well Detroit could say “We gave up an MLB starting SS for a 26 year old reliever!” you can spin the deal both ways ….

          • TB

            They got a 26 year old starter with excellent stuff not a reliever

            • Rick

              When did Greene become Bumgarner?

              • Jim Is Bored

                When the Yankees traded him.

            • Patrick

              Yeah that’s what YOU say because you are biased in favor of Greene. But some others around the league look at Greene as a AAAA starter or a future reliever. I personally like Greene, but look at it from the other side. Over 560 minor league innings, he has a 4.61 ERA. His slider appeared out of nowhere last year, it could be a fluke. His last 8 starts last season he had an ERA of 4.57.

        • Jim Is Bored

          “I can’t believe we spent 11 million to sign a terrible defensive shortstop who always gets hurt. Cashman is terrible at this, he needs to go. What a horrible organization. There is no upside. This is a disaster”

          Terrence in an alternate timeline.

          • Michael Berkowitz

            So, to be clear, this is a great move, then? Cash is a genius? The franchise is saved?

            • Jim Is Bored

              If you can tell me where I said that, I will give you 20,000 dollars.

              • Michael Berkowitz

                “I can’t believe we spent 11 million to sign a terrible defensive shortstop who always gets hurt. Cashman is terrible at this, he needs to go. What a horrible organization. There is no upside. This is a disaster”

                If you can tell me where anybody said that, I’ll give you…well, nothing, to be honest. But let’s not be obtuse.

                • Jim Is Bored

                  What? Did you read the next sentence?

                  “In an alternate universe”

                  Lord knows I’m wrong all the time, but for fuck’s sake don’t read half my comment and ignore the most important line.

                • Jim Is Bored

                  Cashman is not perfect. I disagreed with the Beltran signing last year. I disagreed with Sabathia’s extension. I disagreed with A-Rod’s extension. I didn’t Love letting Martin go last year, but I reserved judgment based on McCann. Cashman is not perfect. Cashman is not a disaster of a GM. He makes some shrewd trades and he has signed some not-so-great free agents.

        • Michael Berkowitz

          Don’t bother. Critiquing this move is like going onto a Christian message board and insulting Jesus, or something. The loyalty to Cashman is fierce, huh?

      • hansdee

        We’ll get to that later. I’m thinking.

      • Michael Berkowitz

        Almost anybody would have been an upgrade over the production we got from SS last year….but we managed to find someone who isn’t. Perfect.

        • Jim Is Bored

          Who? Who is this mysterious almost anybody?

          • Michael Berkowitz

            Never mind the big spurges: Tulo, Hanley, Castro, etc….how about frigging Owings??? We got the wrong guy.

            • Rick

              Hanley isn’t a SS – just look at where Boston is playing him. Look at the cost of acquiring Tulo or Castro in comparison Didi. No one said Didi is Tulo or Castro – you weren’t getting either of them for Greene.

            • Havok9120

              Except Owings, Castro, and Tulo were not available by all accounts.

              And Hanley no longer projects as an SS, though I would have loved to get him and stick him there for a year before moving him to 3rd. Oh. And there’s almost no way the Yanks pay him 22 million per year.

              • Michael Berkowitz

                Yeah, and “Bubba Crosby is our center fielder.” I don’t know who’s available for certain, and who’s not, and for what, and neither do any of us. You say it all the time – teams lie. All I do know is that we sacrificed much-needed pitching depth to not improve the offense. If it’s true that we were never going to address the offense at SS, then just bring back Drew and keep the young pitcher.

            • Jim Is Bored

              Oh shit I didn’t know Owings was available! CURSE YOU DIAMONDBACKS FOR VALUING PLAYERS DIFFERENTLY THAN RAB

              • Michael Berkowitz

                I sincerely apologize for questioning Cash the infallible. I realize that I have an awful lot of chutzpa for not being in love with every move he makes, and for dreaming of an offense that actually scored a run every now and then. But I should realize that Cash is, after all, the guy who brought us Carlos Beltran, Travis Hafner and Vernon Wells, so if there’s one thing he knows, it’s how to improve a lineup.

                My bad. It won’t happen again.

    • Jim Is Bored

      SS was not a position that was going to add to our offense.

      • FriarFlyer

        Gregorius projects probably around 10 HRs, 45-50 RBIs, 260 BA…some numbers better than what we got last year at the position with better defense…$ can be allocated elsewhere

    • FIPster Doofus

      The only way they were were going to get much offense from shortstop is if they miraculously acquired Tulo. Get mad about a lack of infield offense when Refsnyder/Prado is their 2B/3B combo instead of Prado/Headley.

      • Michael Berkowitz

        Well, of course, that is what’s going to happen. So the infield is: _____ at 1B (I’m assuming Tex breaks a nail and is out 3 months), Refsnyder, Didi, Prado. This is going to be a really bad team.

        • FIPster Doofus

          The offense sucks, no doubt.

        • Jim Is Bored

          Even the supporters of this deal are not claiming this fixes our offense. No one in this entire thread has said that.

          • Michael Berkowitz

            Right, and? My point is that we had a chance to improve the offense – only one chance, really – and we didn’t.

            • Wave Your Hat

              With who?

              • Rick

                Tulo – obviously. Could’ve traded Greene for him instead.

                • Wave Your Hat

                  Forgot about him. Damn!

            • Jim Is Bored

              That’s a really, really terrible point then.

    • Scott

      Really? So the Yanks can’t find an offensive upgrade at any position other than SS? Hmmm.. I always thought that SS was not an offensive position, more known for defense.

      • Michael Berkowitz

        What other offensive position is open right now? 3B, you could say, but they’re obviously not re-signing Headley (Nor should they, for what he’s apparently about to get), and who else is out there? If they go Prado at 3B, Refsnyder/Pirella at 2B…then there we are. The lineup is set.

  • hansdee

    I’m okay with this. They didn’t give up a lot, and they got enough for the time being. Rather this kid than Drew or Ryan.

  • Vern Sneaker

    Very reasonable trade, may turn out even better than that. Cheaper and younger than Drew, better than Ryan. Five years of control. Absent giving up high-level prospects for someone like Castro, there wasn’t much of anything to do that would have been an upgrade from this. Greene’s a nice arm, but we can replace him.

    • TB

      Keep dreaming we just traded for a SS Arizona has been trying to giveaway for over a year because he cant hit on this level and gave up a good young cheap pitcher to a rival team

      • Rick

        I’ll tell ya, man. You’ve proven to be an invaluable resource. Not only do you know every single player in the MLB like the back of your hand and more so than any other human being on the planet, but you apparently have sources inside every front office, too. Hope you stay a while.

        • TB

          Rick I know him well – I have watched him play quite a bit and they have been trying to trade him for close to 2 years because they know he cant hit

          • Rick

            Like I said, hope you stick around.

            • TB

              I do – the difference is I am not a homer like yourself who thinks everything they do is great. I look at it for what it is…

              • Rick

                Yes. I’m a huge homer. Yankees have never done a single thing wrong – EVER.

          • The Great Gonzo

            Hey Terrence, have they REALLY been trying to trade him for two years because he can’t hit? Or have they been trying to trade him because they have a glut of really good middle infielders?

            I’m deferring to you, because you like, know things and stuff. And not stuff you dreamed up or embellished as part of your own little narrative…. you legit KNOW stuff. Enlighten us.

      • Jim Is Bored

        ….Terrence, do you know what a rival is? Or are all the other American League teams rivals to you?

        • TB

          The Yankees have been knocked out by Detroit 3 times in the playoffs since 2006 and in the day of 2 wild cards rivals are teams you battle for the playoffs not just inside your division anymore and who the hell is Terrence you idiot

          • Jim Is Bored

            Terrence, Detroit is not our rival. Or do you consider the New York Giants the rivals of the New England Patriots too?

            • TB

              Yes the tigers are one of our rivals and who the hell is Terrence – My new name for you is DICK – I will respond to you as DICK – I think that’s your name

              • Jim Is Bored

                OK Terrence, Dick is my nickname so thanks!

  • blake

    and Steven Drew goes to the back of the line…..

  • Douglas Rau

    With CC, Nova, Tanaka and Pineda all having injury concerns, there’s almost no doubt Greene would have been needed to soak up some innings this coming season. This deal screams, “Robbing Peter to pay Paul”. If you’re going to do that, don’t get short changed by Paul. If they were going to make this deal, they should have received Chris Owings.

    • TB

      Agreed – horrible trade

    • Chip

      Nah. This is about maximizing your assets. Greene is a nice pitcher but if the Yankees open the season with a rotation of Tanaka, Scherzer, Pineda, McCarthy and CC with Mitchell/Phelps/Banuelos/Long/Whitley in reserve and Nova due back around the trade deadline the rotation is fine.

      • davealvarez

        Agreed. I think this says more to the Yankees confidence in a FA signing or two, the health of our rotation as it is, and the potential of our backups.

      • Douglas Rau

        Yankees aren’t signing Scherzer. They may not be able to convince McCarthy to come back either. If some one makes him a guaranteed 4 year deal, he’s probably gone.

      • Douglas Rau

        There is no asset more valuable in the game today than young, quality, cost-controlled pitching. And the return is just Brendan Ryan with a slightly better bat? That’s not the max return. Not saying Shane Greene alone would have garnered a top prospect or Cole Hamels or anything of the sort but I would hope they would get a little better than a replacement-level shortstop.

    • Jim Is Bored

      Oh, I wasn’t aware Arizona was willing to trade Owings instead of Didi.

      • Rick

        That’s because you know nothing about their front office. Have to defer to TB.

      • The Great Gonzo

        Of course he was. Everyone is available when you switch on “Force Trades”…

        #CashmanFails

      • Douglas Rau

        I’m sure they would have been more resistant but the Yankees have pieces with which to sweeten the pot a little.

    • Havok9120

      Who wasn’t available.

      • Douglas Rau

        We don’t know that for sure–Arizona did have a surplus of middle infielders. I’ve no doubt he would have cost more in a trade but as a Yankee fan, I would have been willing to give up more. Not Aaron Judge or Gary Sanchez but a nice prospect or two. Now the Yankees have given up one of their few arms with no injury concerns for a guy who is only marginally better than Brendan Ryan.

  • Chip

    FYI – for those who complained that Cashman shouldn’t be doing the charity stuff during hot stove season – he’s rappelling down the side of a building today – again, cell phones are wonderful things.

    • The Great Gonzo

      “If he was sitting in his office instead of rappelling down a building, we coulda got the Tulo for Austin Romainez instead of Didi for Cy Greene”….

      -Some asshat last week

      • Chip

        Stupid charity :-)

  • blake

    @JimBowden_ESPN: I’ll rank who got the best of the 3-way deal: 1. #Yankees 2. #Diamondbacks 3. #Tigers with Leyba being the wildcard 4 years from now

    • Rick

      Cue the “Bowden is an ex-GM for a reason” lines.

      • SweetSpot

        Cue the “ex-GM’s know far more than bloggers” lines.

        • Rick

          Is that really debatable though? lol

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          Sweetspot, Steve Phillips. Steve Phillips, Sweetspot.

        • Jim Is Bored

          You disagree though?

  • NYCORNERSTONE

    Means Max or Lester coming this way

    • TB

      I don’t know about that but hopefully – that would be a nice Christmas present

  • Rick

    Where’s Jorge today?

    • Wave Your Hat

      He’s scarce in the mid-morning. Must have to work for a living.

      • hansdee

        This is a huge perk for the unemployed.

      • Rick

        Working too hard, if you ask me.

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        Most of my meetings happen in the morning. Yup. The life of a non-profit administrator. Your staff is running around trying to save the world in the afternoon.

    • Havok9120

      He’s having one of those rare days we all occasionally have where we have to work while at work.

  • SweetSpot

    Despite what some say, GM’s rightly value character as part of, not all, of a players evaluation. My take from what I have read is that Didi is thought to be a very level headed, articulate, mature, good guy who speaks multiple languages that will be a good fit in New York City. Replacing Derek Jeter will not be easy but the Yankees believe he has what it takes to handle that.

    • TB

      Sweet replacing Jeter is a difficult task for anyone – that’s something I think everyone can agree with

      • Chip

        I am a huge Jeter fan but replacing his aura is more difficult than replacing his recent production. Didi will probably never be the hitter Jeter was, but he could offensively be good Stephen Drew, and he’ll play better defense than Jeter ever did.

        • TB

          Didi will never be the hitter drew is – they were better off keeping greene and signing drew here

          • Dan A.

            A .536 OPS is definitely unatainable for the likes of him

          • Chip

            Tell you what – feel free to use that crystal ball that gives you such certainty and bet big on the next Super Bowl, take your winnings and buy your own baseball team.

        • Canarsie Yankee

          Nobody out there would reasonably replace the aura and leadership. It will have to come from elsewhere.

  • Patrick

    Gregorius is a good get. My dream offseason would be if Cashman now signs Robertson, Lester, Moncada, Headley and McCarthy. I would settle for 3/5, but 5/5 would be awesome.

    • Chip

      I think we’re looking at:
      Scherzer (though I too would prefer Lester)
      McCarthy
      Miller
      Moncada
      and if not Headley then I think Juan Francisco makes sense.

      • blake

        I think we are looking at Scherzer, Miller, and hopefully Moncada and that’s about it……that would still be a good offseason

        • Chip

          I am just going to keep saying Juan Francisco until it happens :-)

          From a money standpoint – the Yankees set aside dollars for Robertson, McCarthy, Headley and Drew – if they give Robertson’s money to Miller and spend far less on SS and 3b by going Gregorious and Francisco, that could free up enough money for Scherzer and still have money for McCarthy.

          • davealvarez

            I’m not afraid of the Yankees “freeing” up any money. I think if they’re willing to spend big, they’ll spend big. I’d much prefer to see re-signing Robertson and McCarthy, and getting Miller, with a #15 draft pick, than seeing Scherzer in pinstripes.

    • blake

      that would be awesome but the payroll would be like 260 million plus if they did that…..I think if they go after Lester or Scherzer then Headley and McCarthy aren’t happening but we’ll see.

      • Patrick

        Hey it’s not my money, and I like I said it’s a dream scenario so I know it’s very unlikely to happen.

    • davealvarez

      I’d be happy if they just resigned Robertson and McCarthy, and got Moncada for down the road. I was high on Headley at the beginning of the offseason, but considering his demands, I’d much prefer Prado at third, and see Pirela and Refsnyder get a shot for 2B.

  • hansdee

    Gregorius is listed at 6’2″ 205 at Baseball Reference. Is that accurate?

    • Wave Your Hat

      I don’t know, what do TB’s eyes say? That’s better than some stupid yardstick.

      • TB

        Didi is a quality defensive SS with limited offensive ability – we could have signed drew and been better off here and still kept greene who was very good last year with excellent stuff and good potential and in the process not helped out Detroit

        • pfoj

          Then you’re in the same boat next winter. That’s what’s appealing about Gregorius, if this goes well we might not need to worry about the shortstop spot until 2019.

      • hansdee

        I checked a couple of other places and it appears to be in sync with MLB and ESPN. But you’re correct, nothing, and I do mean nothing, can beat the eye test.

        • The Great Gonzo

          A buddy of mines who works in the Office of Weights and Measures tells me that their yardsticks are a little bit off.

          #TheOtherRABMeme

  • mustang

    Lester, Miller, Moncada, McCarhy and Headley with 4 for 65 being tops.

  • pfoj

    My big thing now is you can’t start this season with Teix/Refs/Didi/Prado as an infield. They have to find a way to add a bat at 3B or 2B

    • mustang

      A_Rod!

      • pfoj

        Like all mythical creatures, I am operating as if The Centaur does not exist until I see otherwise.

      • pfoj

        Like all mythical creatures, I am operating as if The Centaur does not exist until I see otherwise.

    • davealvarez

      They’re pretty excited about Refsnyder. He has some great potential I think.

      • pfoj

        Love love love Refsynder, but I think for 2015 he’s at best a league average hitter IMO. You’re really counting on at least two of McCann, Teix, Beltran, or The Centaur having big comebacks if you put Prado, Refsydner, and Didi out there everyday.

      • The Great Gonzo

        If “they” = “the jagoffs running around this site”…. then yes, you’re correct

  • blake

    @BNightengale: The #Dbacks had rejected a Gregorius-Greene trade until the #Yankees got the #Tigers involved in deal.

    • Rick

      My man, Blake! Filling us in on the twitter world for those who are too cool to have it.

      • mustang

        or not too cool to have it.
        LOL

        • Rick

          Twitter is too popular, no one uses it anymore.

  • Canarsie Yankee

    Probably the best of a situation without blowing the farm or spending cargo planes full of treasure chests. Only time will tell if this is a good deal. Wish Greene all the best, though the Yankees have had more success finding back-end rotation pitchers than shortstops.

    • davealvarez

      Agreed. I like Greene but hope he doesn’t prove to be the WP in a game 5 of a division series between the Yankees and Tigers. SS was/is/has been full of less than optimal options, and Greene can be immediately replaced by Mitchell, potentially Banuelos, and more likely a FA signing that is sure to come *cough*Scherzer*cough

  • Eric in the ATL

    Love the trade! A young player with plenty of upside.

  • blake

    @BerniePleskoff: It would not surprise me if Didi knocks some balls into the short right field porch in NY. I still think his hitting will improve.

    • mustang

      Lets hope

    • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

      and last year it wasn’t going to surprise anyone if Ellsbury hit 30 hrs again thanks to YS3.

      • blake

        Ellsbury hit twice as many homers in 2014 as he did in 2013

        • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

          and half as many as people were saying he “could” thanks to Yankee stadium.

          • TB

            I never thought he would hit 30 but 20 I felt he would do

          • Havok9120
            • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

              please. if I had a dime for every statement on here last year about how Ellsbury could potentially get back to his awesome year that he hit 30 hrs because he was going to be hitting in Yankee Stadium I’d be paying for better entertainment then this today.

              • Havok9120

                Oh, I know people were saying it. Didn’t mean to imply otherwise.

                I did mean to imply that they didn’t know what they were talking about.

          • blake

            nobody realistically should have thought Ellsbury was going to hit 30 homers anywhere.

      • hansdee

        It would have surprised the living hell out of me.

    • TB

      Blake you do realize Arizona is one of the best places to hit in the majors.

      • Dan A.

        You realize that young players have the capacity to get better, right?

        • TB

          Yes they do and most don’t and this is a player with limited offensive ability and most scouts agree with that

      • blake

        sure….but YS is pretty great for LH hitters and the point was that he can still improve offensively….he may not but if so they haven’t lost a whole lot. It’s worth a try

        • TB

          Blake it is good for left handed hitters – totally agree but the air in Arizona is so dry that the ball travels at an insane rate there

      • Rick

        You do realize that while AZ is one of the better places to hit home runs, YS3 is the best … http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor/_/sort/HRFactor.

    • hansdee

      Never really saw the guy play much. I was under the impression though, he was a little guy though. Didn’t think he was a couple inches over 6 feet and 205. At least that’s what he’s listed at, at 3 different sources. If Rothschild takes over as hitting coach he needs to work on that.

  • Bigdan

    Let’s face it. If Didi doesn’t hit, this trade could be just awful. The Yanks already had a cheap glove-first SS on their roster. And for those who think this deal saves the Yanks money or gives them more flexibility to spend this year, well think again. The Yanks now have to go the FA market and replace Greene. Before this trade, they needed to replace Kuroda. And McCarthy. Yes, the Yanks are now down three starters this off season and they just lost their youngest and cheapest.

    Will they go after Scherzer now? I sure as the hell hope so. But they needed a pitcher like Scherzer BEFORE they traded Greene. So what do they need now?

    Now if Didi hits some, this trade could work out just fine. But in 300 PAs last year he hit as bad as Jeter. In over 700 PAs in his major league career his OPS is .680. And he’s not 22. He’ll be 25 in a couple of months.

    This is a very very high risk deal with lots of downside.

    • SweetSpot

      This deal is very low risk while having major upside potential. Back end of the rotation starters are a dime a dozen and 24 year old cost-controlled (until 2019) shortstops are rare.

    • Mayan Brickann

      No risk at all when he is being paid $550K. He’s not Andrelton Simmons (or anything close) defensively, but he’s still quite good, and he’s not an automatic out at the plate either. Maybe something better comes along down the road, but at the cost we’re talking about, there’s no risk to speak of.

      • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

        what everyone is forgetting is that Greene was being paid that amount to and now to replace him they are going to have spend $10+ mil a year – it wasn’t a cost savings. Greene and Stephen Drew will cost the same as Didi and McCarthy or whoever they sign

        • Mayan Brickann

          Greene is a dime a dozen guy. He’s not a middle of the rotation type. He’s not not even the bottom of a rotation type on a contender. He’s depth. An extra guy. Granted those guys are good to have around in case things go awry, but you don’t let that get in the way of trading for a decent SS.

          • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

            I don’t disagree that’s a trade to be made, I just disagree that Didi is a “decent” SS. Defensively, yes but offensively not even close. Greene has just as much potential to be a #4 or #5 starter as Didi does to produce as an every day SS.

            • Havok9120

              If we assume your last sentence to be the case, and understand that pitching, especially back end quality pitching, is a strength on both the current MLB roster and within the organization while we have precisely no infield depth outside of the guys currently projected to be on the MLB roster, how is this not a trade you have to make?

              • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

                as I just said to someone else:

                I’m just saying that by trading Greene they now have to spend $10 mil on another arm instead of $10 mil on a SS. And now we know we have a black hole offensively somewhere in the lineup. Remember how nice it was to have a great defensive catcher like Chris Stewart starting every day?

        • The Great Gonzo

          There are DOZENS more pitchers available right now than there are shortstops. DOZENS.

          Also, give me Didi and McCarthy over Greene and Nancy Drew for any day of the week.

          • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

            That’s not my point – I’m just saying that by trading Greene they now have to spend $10 mil on another arm instead of $10 mil on a SS. And now we know we have a black hole offensively somewhere in the lineup. Remember how nice it was to have a great defensive catcher like Chris Stewart starting every day?

            • The Great Gonzo

              But dude… You HAD to spend the money either way. There was no way around it.

              It was spend the money on Nancy Drew (also a black hole offensively) or Lowrie/Assdribble (Jeter levels of bad defense).

              OR, trade for a young cost controlled guy and spend the money where there’s more options.

              And Chris Stewart was the backup catcher to Francisco Cervelli (who was no great shakes, granted), but going into the season with Stewart as the starting C was also not the plan.

    • NYCORNERSTONE

      A new GM

  • Martin L

    I love this deal! Gregorious will be 25 next year and is already a good defender, He was not playing every day in Arizona–so it’s hard for a young player to develop as a hitter. The team hasn’t had to worry about a shortstop since 1995–so it’s kind of exciting news to see the team acquiring a young shortstop with promise.

  • SweetSpot

    “That ball is high, it is far, it is gone! It’s a Didi guarantee . . . Gregorius is just glorious!”

    • Canarsie Yankee

      That actually took effort. Nice.

      • SweetSpot

        Thank you.

    • TB

      That’s a good call – I will forward it to sterling for you

      • SweetSpot

        Thanks.

  • Rick

    I think all we need to know about Shane Greene is that the Diamondbacks valued Robbie Ray more.

    • davealvarez

      And the Tigers really value Greene’s potential. I think everyone wins in this trade. Might not be saying that a year or two from now, but I’m pretty content regardless.

      • cashmoney

        i think tigers and yankees each went after their needs and Dback got some prospects back for their surplus at SS.

        • davealvarez

          Agreed. Now let’s wait and see how it all pans out.

    • http://riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      The Tigers valued Ray more than Doug Fister last winter.

      • Rick

        Which, by transitive property, means Gregorious is better than Fister … BOOM

        • Canarsie Yankee

          Kind of like that guy that kept uptrading a stale half eaten peanut butter sandwich to a multi-million dollar property.

          • Rick

            Exactly.

        • hansdee

          Hands down better offense and a better SS.

      • Patrick

        Hahaha that trade has gone from bad to hilarious

      • TB

        Yea the ray move was a flop but they just picked up an excellent cheap number 5 starter with excellent potential

        • FIPster Doofus

          Is there such a thing as an excellent number 5 starter?

          • hansdee

            Yes. It’s called a #2 starter.

          • TB

            yes there is on a team with the pitching Detroit has

        • Dan A.

          How does potential work exactly, by your definition? Below, you just said essentially, that most young players don’t get better. So, why does Greene have the potential, but Didi doesn’t?

          • TB

            Dan do you actually watch the Yankees play – Did you watch greene pitch last season?
            Did you see his stuff? Did you see how good all but 2 of his starts were? Did you see him dominate some top lineups? that answers your question

            • Dan A.

              I saw his stuff, and I agree he has potential. But he has a ton of risk–he has no minor league track record to suggest he’ll keep it going. You’re just taking a giant dump on Didi for no reason.

              If he hits like he did 2 years ago (92 wRC+) he’d be in the top half of SS offensively http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=ss&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2014&month=0&season1=2014&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=17,d He’s 25 years old. He’s a plus defender. He’s under team control until 2019. He’ll cost the league minimum. He’s a lefty in Yankee Stadium who has a bit of pop. There’s a ton to like here, and all you’re giving up is a back of the rotation starter, who, yes, does have upside. But it’s a total lie to deny Didi has upside too.

              • TB

                Dan no I am not I know didi is a piss poor hitter – that’s a fact

                • Dan A.

                  Even if you don’t think he’ll improve he’s already, at minimum, a solid platoon bat. .743 OPS against righties in his career (Jeter had 450 PAs against righties last year). That alone shows he isn’t a piss poor hitter. 450 PAs at .743 OPS is more than legit for a SS (Alexei Ramirez put up a .713 OPS last year, and I’m pretty sure no one would consider him piss poor with the stick).

      • The Great Gonzo

        I have zero faith that the Tigers have any fucking clue on what they’re doing at any given time…

    • FIPster Doofus

      I think all we need to know about Doug Fister is that the Tigers valued Robbie Ray more.

  • ropeadope1

    He hasn’t hit lefties at all as a big leaguer though — 33 wRC+ against lefties …

    Fortunately, we have the best hitting coach in the majors to help turn that around. Oh wait ….

  • NYCORNERSTONE

    All the ss speculation here on R&B i think this guy was mentioned once

  • mustang

    Forgive me for using old man stat but

    2014 .226 6HR 27RBI

    I can see .240 12HR 40RBI playing at Stadium and Plus D

    I will take it.

    • mustang

      Can they now find the man a hitting coach so he can achieve this.

    • TB

      Yes something drew would have done also and not cost us a good young pitcher

      • mustang

        Kind of agree, but throw in Drew ‘s health, cost and age I rather take the risk with Didi

        • TB

          Well one thing we have to see is what they do with the money saved on Drew. I just don’t like this trade. And I made It clear in the past I didn’t want Didi. I Wont change my belief there because now he is a yankee — I hope he does well – I hope he comes out of nowhere and learns how to hit but I don’t see it happening

  • Jonathan Gallo

    Gabba gabba hey Didi!

  • michaelNYCUSA

    Even if he only hits like Jeter last year, he will field better and not clog up the #2 hole in the lineup…this will be a certain plus, and honestly if Didi was a Yankee prospect we would be never trade him for a 25y/o pitcher with 1/2 of a ML season under his belt

  • ACX

    Probably already discussed, but does this stop them from going after Moncada?

    • Mayan Brickann

      Since nobody seems to believe Moncada will be a major league SS, the answer is no.

      • Rick

        Except TB. TB is adamant that Moncada will be a SS.

        • Game 3

          She DOES know defense…

    • Canarsie Yankee

      I doubt it. Moncada will need time in the minors and he doesn’t seem destined to play shortstop long term.

      • TB

        Probably 2 years of minor league time for Moncada so this does nothing to change interest in him. I agree

    • TB

      ACX I don’t think this stops then going for Moncada at all

    • mustang

      NOOOOO!!!!

      Most have him playing 3rd

    • cashmoney

      I think the fact he might be MLB SS is certainly a plus, but that takes a backseat to his purported offensive potential. So, If I was a GM and there is paucity of offense of late, I would certainly exercise due diligence on him. it really depends what the yankees evaluate him as. I think it’s fair to say that every team could use more offense. but I have no clue if the Didi acquisition precludes Yankees seeing him as offensive force that they need to ultimately find a spot for or just a pure project as a SS that they can now pass on.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      There is zero connection between the two.

    • YakaTanaka

      Doubt it. Moncada seems to be considered 2+ years away and not a lock to stick at SS. And Didi’s not a lock to be a long-term starter himself.

      I would probably still be looking at another MLB SS for 2015, even, to add some depth besides just Didi and Ryan. Probably just someone like Everth Cabrera to compete with Ryan. Or they could sign Jed Lowrie at 3B/2B if they don’t sign Headley, and use him as a backup to Didi.

  • cashmoney

    I think shane greene has a good chance to be a good backend reliever, I wonder if that’s what the Tigers have in mind for him. I like Didi’s athleticism and it really can’t hurt he is left handed hitter in what have seen that has decent bat speed ,modest range and a strong arm. I like this trade.

    • davealvarez

      Hadn’t thought of it that way, since Greene was a starter for the Yankees, but yes potentially. They might use him as a solid long-man out of the bullpen. They could sure use one.

      • Havok9120

        I absolutely think a pitcher with Greene’s skillset is worth more to a team like Detroit than to us.

        Even if he flunks out as a starter (and there’s a good chance of that), his sinker/slider seem to be high quality pitches that’d do fine out of the ‘pen. Especially compared to what they’ve got laying around.

        • Jim Is Bored

          Except did you see that defense last year? Dear God. Greene’s ERA might go up to the mid 4’s even if he pitches exactly like he did last year.

  • Bigdan

    I just went and looked up Ryan’s numbers and I was wrong. Hard to believe how bad a hitter Ryan is. Didi is a better hitter than Ryan even on Didi’s worst day. I think that changes the risk parameters of this deal considerably. To get Didi’s offense and defense you’d to spend prob at least $8MM on a SS like Drew.

    But that doesn’t change the hole the Yanks have created in their rotation. What will it cost now for the Yanks to replace Greene if he’s a No. 3 or No. 4? Twice that? It’s not like the Yanks have a surplus of pitching.

    This is still a very gutsy high risk move and the Yanks’ starting pitching just got far more suspect than it already was.

    • Mayan Brickann

      If Shane Greene is your #3 or #4 starter, it is unlikely that your team is a contender for anything other than a .500 record.

      • Bigdan

        I disagree. Let’s see how Detroit uses him.

        • http://riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          He’s going to fill the rotation spot vacated by Scherzer, I assume.

          • Bigdan

            Maybe Porcello who they are supposedly looking to trade. Scherzer will be filling the Greene’s place on the Yanks now right? Haha!

          • Mayan Brickann

            Quite inadequately, I would imagine.

            • YakaTanaka

              They also have a full season of Price to fill in the production, though.

        • Rick

          You know how they’ll use him … As their #5. Price, Sanchez, Verlander, Porcello, Greene

          • Bigdan

            Porcello is on the market because he’s a FA next year. This is a Beane move. Trade an expensive guy for someone cheap and under control. I think Greene is seen as Porcello’s potential replacement.

          • Mandy Stankiewicz

            Sox fans are calling a Porcello for Cespedes trade. Just fan chatter, not media but interesting.

            • Rick

              Hmmm interesting. Porcello would instantly be their number 1. I’m not sure I would do that if I was DET.

        • Dalek Jeter

          If Shane Greene is your 3rd best starting pitcher then yeah, you’re not competing for anything but a .500 record…and I like Greene.

    • NYCORNERSTONE

      Ddi =Jim Mason

    • SweetSpot

      Cashman and all his baseball ops people know quite well who Greene was and what their rotation needs are. There are lots of starters out there. Scherzer, Shields, Lester, McCarthy, Liriano, Jason Hammel, Jon Lester, Francisco Liriano, Justin Masterson, Brandon McCarthy, Volquez and more.

  • NYCORNERSTONE

    Any Cabrera ss would be better this guy cant even steal a base

  • Jorge Steinbrenner

    Haven’t scrolled through comments yet. Guess I missed a busy morning. :)

    Thoughts: I like young and cheap. I like that this potentially allows the team to use whatever money they sought to use towards free agency on other positions. I like his first-year stats and defense.

    I’m a big believer in Shane Greene’s upside, so I do think this is a pretty risky move, as I’m not quite sure where Didi winds up as as a major leaguer. That’s certainly what I don’t like here.

    Where I land is this: in a vacuum, I don’t like the deal. It’s about in the middle of the road as far as potential options for 2015 go, and the price tag does concern me. Once I see the full picture of what the 2015 Yankees look like, though, I may very well see this in a different light.

    I’ll assume everyone is mad that they didn’t acquire Tulowitzki instead for Austin Romine….and A-Rod, below.

    • Dalek Jeter

      Basically this. Don’t like the deal, but I don’t hate it either.

      • Jim Is Bored

        This usually indicates a pretty fair deal.

    • Rick

      There you are. I asked about your whereabouts half an hour ago, or so. I missed you.

    • Wave Your Hat

      Look at it this way – Didi is cheap, he’s young, he’s good defensively, he has a better bat than Ryan and as good as Stephen Drew’s best updside, he can improve, bigdan doesn’t like the deal, they got him for a pitcher that most of us hadn’t even heard about this time last year, if someone better comes along Didi is tradeable and won’t stop getting that someone, bigdan doesn’t like the deal, it means that the Yanks are in the market for a free agent starting pitcher, and bigdan doesn’t like the deal.

      If you look at it that way, I think you’ll come to like the deal more and more.

    • TB

      Jorge I personally don’t like the trade because I like greene a lot and we have major injury concerns to our pitching staff. I also stated in the past I did not want Didi because he has limited offensive ability. I do like his defense a lot and that portion of his game brings an upgrade to the position.
      I did state the Yankees cant downgrade offensively at SS this season and I feel they just did that with this move. That’s my feelings on this trade.
      I don’t like drew but I would rather have signed drew and kept greene

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        Time will tell. I’m open to this going several different ways.

        • TB

          That is very true and I hope I am wrong and didi learns how to hit and produces.

          • Rick

            One thing we know, is that you’re never right. So I’m quite thankful you hate this trade. :).

            • TB

              Rick I have learned very much you are never correct – In fact I would love for you to post your picks so I can make a ton of money by betting the opposite

    • mustang

      “Once I see the full picture of what the 2015 Yankees look like, though, I may very well see this in a different light.”

      YES SIR
      Totally agree.

    • Havok9120

      I disagree, but this is much more nuance than a lot of people leaning against the deal have been willing to incorporate into their arguments.

      And no, I don’t mean you nyyankfan.

    • mustang

      I see your point and i had to be convinced by RAB to actually be OK with it, but a few other additions would make me feel much better about the whole thing.

      • Rick

        Additional actions shouldn’t make you feel better about a separate and distinct trade – unless of course we can directly attribute say the $10M savings of Drew and see the effects from someone like Miller.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          Sure it should. If this was the only move the team made the entire off-season, I wouldn’t be thrilled. I really don’t think that’s the case.

          • Rick

            I mean in terms of how you feel about a particular action though. What they do after this trade doesn’t change the outcome of what was essentially Greene for Gregorious. If it was to save $10M and you see how that $10M is re-allocated, then yea you have a direct impact and correlation from one to the next. But generally, one doesn’t have much to do with the other.

        • mustang

          If losing Greene means that they will get Lester or Max then yes it sure does.

  • Asher Dratel

    I think we all really need to take a minute to appreciate the existence of the Honkbal Hoofdklasse. I mean, come on.

    Honkbal Hoofdklasse.

  • YankeeFan™

    It worked I woke up to some Yankee news lol

    • Rick

      Sleep til 12 every day

    • NYCORNERSTONE

      He is going to platoon with Ryan they got robbed

    • Austinmac

      I got up too early.

    • TB

      The nunez news would have been better lol

  • Rick Myles

    Always giving away the few good young players the farm produces. If Didi can hit .260 maybe it’s OK but based on his MLB stats to date ( not triple A) is he that much of an upgrade from Ryan? It’s a gamble that his hitting improves. Now they better sign Scherzer. Looks like that might be the plan and replace the draft pick by letting Robertson go and signing Miller.

    • davealvarez

      He is definitely an upgrade from Ryan. His sample size is small, but scouting reports are complimentary. It’s no doubt a risk, but considering the few options elsewhere, I much prefer having Didi at short, and spending some big money on a few FA SP- Lester and McCarthy being two I’d like to see most.

    • YakaTanaka

      I don’t know why you’re looking at batting average only, but the dude has played just over 1 MLB season and has a career .243 BA. The difference between that and .260 in such a small sample is probably not statistically significant.

      I don’t think he’s the greatest player ever, but neither is Shane Greene.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      Didi is 25 years old.

      Nice try.

    • Austinmac

      Everyone is an upgrade over Ryan. He is the worst hitter in major league baseball.

    • Jim Is Bored

      Brendan Ryan hits baseballs almost as well as I do.

  • YakaTanaka

    Seems about fair. I think it seems more likely they just sold high on Greene and bought low on Didi than the opposite, though both are certainly possible.

    I don’t know if he’s any better than some FAs, but he is cheaper. Hopefully this means Headley gets re-signed and some money goes to Ps or elsewhere.

    And what’s up with all the NYY-Az trades? New GM, same trade partner.

    • Canarsie Yankee

      Some teams just match.

  • YankeeFan™

    I don’t hate the move but we Deff gonna have to upgrade this rotation now I don’t mind signing both Scherzer & Lester

    • davealvarez

      Lester and McCarthy I think would be better, along with Robertson and Miller.

      • YankeeFan™

        I wouldn’t mind that either lol

    • captainmike

      if it was your money I bet you would mind

  • Dalek Jeter

    What I think we need to step back and ask ourselves really is; why doesn’t Didi go by Mariekson? I mean seriously, Mariekson Gregorious? That is a 90 on the name scale.

    • Rick

      Can you be sure you’re pronouncing it correctly? I’m nearly 100% I can say Didi correctly at this point.

      • Wave Your Hat

        I think “Mariekson” is actually pronounced “Didi” in Papiamento, if you say it right.

        • Rick

          I laughed

    • cashmoney

      John Sterling have heard ya.

  • YankeeFan™

    I’m wondering where the didi came from out of his whole name.

  • RetroRob

    I’ve spent more time arguing against Didi Gregorius the past two seasons, but it was more based on people’s expectations, which are out of line with what I think he can deliver. I have questions about his bat, partially driven by his walk rate, so it’s interesting to see Mike’s note above that points more towards a positive there. I’m still dubious, but we’ll see. He’s young, talented, and fills a need that’s difficult to fill.

    A few random thoughts:

    First, the Kevin Towers quote from a few years back comparing him to a young Derek Jeter will continue to haunt Gregorius. It’s too juicy a comparison for the media to ignore, and there is no chance he’ll ever be Derek Jeter, so hopefully fans don’t go off the rails with their expectations.

    Second, it makes even more sense for the Yankees to resign Headley to maximize defense. That will be one fine defensive unit at short and third. We may not actually be able to handle the concept! In fact, signing Miller and D-Rob to build out the killer bullpen, and adding Headley and Didi is a plan — bullpen and defense — that got the Royals to the World Series. It’s the best chance to counter a weak offense.

    Last, the Yankees will sign one of the three free agent pitchers. It’s obvious.

    I don’t love the deal because I think Greene was for real, but I do like the deal. Much easier to replace pitching in this market. A solid move. Gotta give to get.

    • Chris Harihar

      This is a good comment.

    • Dalek Jeter

      If we’re looking at it in a vacuum, I don’t love the deal, but if they go onto resign Headley, add a starter (or 3) and Miller and/or D-Rob then yeah, totally on board.

      • RetroRob

        Yes. It would make more sense if this is part of a series of moves. Now, in fairness, it could just be filling a desperate SS need, but I suspect there is more to come, which Cashman can focus on at the Winter meetings with the SS issue out of the way.

      • TB

        Dalek the other things we do no doubt have an impact in a big way but the truth is the only way our offense is going to get better is If beltran, McCann, and amazingly arod are productive

        • Jim Is Bored

          McCann was productive after the first 2 months last year, Terrence.

    • davealvarez

      I totally agree. Greene has some high upside, but considering the FA pitching options available at the moment, compared to what was available at SS, this was maybe the best outcome of a sticky situation. I see this as a sign of more to come- definitely going to sign a FA pitcher or two. The Royals set a glowing example of what a locked-down bullpen and stellar defense can do, so I hope the Yankees follow suit. I’m all for a trio of Robertson-Betances-Miller.

    • TB

      Rob I agree that if the Yankees want a real chance to win this season they now need to make sure they go in a direction of pitching and defense because this offense is going to be more towards the bottom… This move just cemented that. Double down on the pen – get a top tier starter are now more important than ever because he just downgraded offensively at SS

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      Bravo.

    • Canarsie Yankee

      Besides, if there’s a certain budget in play, getting Gregorius rather than blowing $10 mil/year on a shortstop could assist with retaining players, Headley in particular.

    • Jim Is Bored

      Terrence wouldn’t have had to give to get.

      • Terry

        Not a fan of this move at all.

        I guess that’s where I start because I like rooting for home-grown talent and now I have less to root for this upcoming season. You just fielded yourself some home-grown starting pitching in Shane Greene, and the first thing you do is to get rid of him.

        Neither Shane nor Didi has a long track record, but I would have preferred a rental and/or Brendan Ryan to hold down the fort until a viable option within the organization presented itself. For heaven’s sakes, leave me ONE real Yankee SP in the rotation! It’s exciting and fun to see farm players try to prove themselves at the major league level, rather than stealing everyone else’s developmental fruits. One of the draws to the Core Five (and Bernie Williams counts, end of story) was that they were all developed by New York.

        Didi is not.

        Let’s be honest; either way, the Yankees would have had a tough time to remain competitive. There were two overwhelming issues last season:

        1) The OFFENSE

        2) Almost every Starting pitcher coming up lame.

        Didi doesn’t change either of those equations, and getting rid of Greene (who had no mileage on his arm to speak of) just made the second worse.

        I suppose Didi could improve in hitting but who’s going to teach him? They haven’t decided on a hitting coach yet, so who consulted them about Didi’s upside, let alone asking how do they have confidence that their hitting coach can bring out the best in Didi? You would think the Yankees would have a plan to improve his hitting skill-set, but they just put the cart before the horse!

        But in the end…I just don’t understand why you would get rid of Shane Greene, and make Didi Gregorious your “ShortStop of the future” to replace Jeter. I’ve seen Didi’s interviews, and it’s apparent he’s not a young Jeter at the mic.

        And this after losing Robertson, a worthy, home-grown closer, who was the PERSONALLY HANDPICKED heir by none other than Mariano Rivera.

  • Francesco

    Assuming that it would be very hard for the Yankees to trade for a SS who can hit right now, I don’t hate the deal (maybe it’s just because I was really afraid of a trade for Andrus) since Gregorious is young and cheap for the position and doesn’t block any future move…that said I find it impossible to feel enthusiastic about Didi Gregorious.

    • davealvarez

      I see what you mean, and agree to an extent that it’s hard to feel totally optimistic with Didi at the SS helm, but considering it only took a #5 starter to net the guy with 5 years of team control, I think everyone can walk away happy with this trade.

    • YakaTanaka

      There aren’t many MLB caliber SS in the whole world who can hit.
      Three qualifiers hit above a 110 wRC+ last season, and one is moving to LF next season. One more topped 105. So there were four guys More than a hair above league average last season. As horrific as Jeter was, 3 qualifiers hit worse.

      Didi is projected for an 86 wRC+ next season, which would make him about an average starting SS offensively. There’s certainly upside beyond that, and even in the worst (healthy) case he should be a cheap, adequate UTL for a few years.

      • Francesco

        I guess my last phrase was misleading, since I actually think that this move makes sense for the Yankees (as long as they add at least one SP). I just meant that it’s hard to cheer at the news as first reaction.

        • YakaTanaka

          To each their own, but I think Didi is easy to cheer for as an athletic young SS with some real upside and high floor as a UTL. And Greene seems like a fair price.

  • pochi

    Really guys? How are ya complaining about this trade? It is very hard to find a young SS with some upside with his bat and already good defensive SS. By putting him at Short he would save more runs then Jeter making pitchers better. Cash gave up 1 piece for this trade and if he would had went after Castro would had took a lot more then just Shane and I bet ya would cry even more. GREAT JOB CASH

  • YankeeFan™

    As Long as the Yankees upgrade the pitching staff this isn’t as awful as many People think.

    • davealvarez

      Agreed, I think this is just a sign of more to come by next week. Maybe an out-of-the-dark push for Lester, or more likely, emptying the bank account for Scherzer, and hopefully a smart move in resigning McCarthy.

  • pfoj

    Best part of this deal: I am totally buying a Didi Netherlands Honkbal jersey for the 2017 WBC.

  • RIYankeeGuy

    Where’s this above average defender? Didi has a cannon, but his range rates out as slightly below average and overall he rated out as -6.7 UZR/150 last year and -1.0 in his rookie campaign. Considering the soft bat, why is this such a win for some people?

    Yes, Greene can be replaced through FA, but he had a live arm and produced GB at an awesome 50.8% rate last season. Didi is good for what? An additional 15 singles and 7 doubles over Ryan? Not pleased personally.

    • Wave Your Hat

      I’ve seen video of some awesome lateral range from Didi. Not saying my eyes are infallible, but there’s not nearly enough data points for UZR to be relied upon yet.

      • RIYankeeGuy

        I hope your right, because three seasons is a safe point to begin to put some onus into UZR findings. While 180 or so MLB games isn’t quite there, we’re getting close.

        • Wave Your Hat

          They haven’t been close to full seasons. So I think there’s a ways to go.

        • Jim Is Bored

          180 games is barely more than 1 season. How is that almost 3 seasons?

      • Rick

        Depends what TB’s eyes say.

        • TB

          Yes rick because I actually watch the players instead of spending my life on fangraphs lol

          • Rick

            I know. You’ve watched every play of every player, ever. You’re the only one with access to all of this video too. Your life is envious.

    • pfoj

      I think we’re at the point with Didi where the scouts still count for more than the advanced stats for his defense, not enough sample size for the numbers.

    • TB

      Range Factor is a joke stat – it means nothing – watch him and you will learn if he has range – I have watched him. His range is fine defensively – Defense Is not the issue with this player. The issue is he cant hit

      • RIYankeeGuy

        That’s what I’m getting at, his bat is going to be below average, so he better be a positive WAR player on defense, which so far the data says he isn’t.

        • TB

          Defensive metrics data doesn’t mean anything – its completely flawed – I advise go watch video of him playing the position

          • RIYankeeGuy

            Everyone has a highlight reel. I’m confident in my statements and being a Yankees fan, I’d rather not be.

        • Rick

          “WAR is a joke state”

      • Dalek Jeter

        Average is a joke stat. Just watch a guy swing and you will learn about his ability to hit.

        • Rick

          Any stat that doesn’t reflect his opinion is a joke.

        • TB

          Actually batting average and onbase is very telling

          • Dalek Jeter

            My eyes tell me differently.

            • TB

              Well I watch players play and you read stats – good luck with that

              • Dalek Jeter

                How about this, I’ll watch players play AND look at stats for when my robot brain can’t recall if that one magnificent play so and so just made is something he can do regularly or just something that happened there. Or if I want to know how that player I don’t know much about measures up to his competition without just pretending to be an absolute expert about every player in baseball because Harold Reynolds told me about them once while I was watching MLBN.

                Terrance.

                • Wicomico Pinstripes

                  Ridiculousness! Eyes and stats?! Everyone knows you can only pick one!

    • Wicomico Pinstripes

      The -6.7 was in 580.2 innings. 1500 career innings at the position is not a large enough sample to make appropriate judgment when using UZR.

  • Scott

    Depending on how you feel about the media’s ability to judge players any better than those of us on the comments here, this link is a smattering of what some in the media are saying: http://www.pinstripealley.com/2014/12/5/7339659/yankees-trade-for-didi-gregorius-media-reactions/in/7103898
    Bottom line, most say the Yanks did well giving up a 4/5th starter for a young cost controlled SS.

  • MJPEC05

    Fits Girardi’s obsession with lefty/right matchups in the batting order. Its no secret we stock lefty hitters vs. righties and vice versa. Clearly, Ryan will platoon when we face lefties. I don’t think we make this move if he batted right handed.

    • Dalek Jeter

      Ryan had a -36wRC+ against LHP in 2014. Yes. A NEGATIVE wRC+. I didn’t even know that was possible.

      • MJPEC05

        Man that’s bad. And he threw more errors into the mix than I expected last year for a “defensive specialist”.

      • TB

        Now you do man

      • CashmanNinja

        I knew it wasn’t very pretty, but I didn’t know it was that ugly…geez.

    • FriarFlyer

      Wont be a strict platoon per se but Didi probably sits against the tough ones.

  • Bigdan

    I just wonder how much of this deal is related to Cashman believing his own press clippings. You know, that he can find pitching anywhere, anytime. I mean he did last year. Nuno for McCarthy? Even Capuano was helpful.

    Believing your own press clippings isn’t a good thing usually. It means you can’t tell the difference between luck and skill. I don’t think this trade means the Yanks are going to go hog wild for FA starters now. They’ll get one for sure. But I still think the second starter will be someone cheap. And I sure hope this doesn’t mean Cash thinks CC is back.

    I wonder if it means Miller AND Drob? Curry seemed to suggest that as a possibility on YES last night. Either way, I sure hope Didi can hit. Because offense still isn’t getting any prettier with or without Greene or Didi.

    • davealvarez

      Miller and Robertson both signing would be a great move in the right direction.

  • YankeeFan™

    Looking at that video I think his swing could benefit a lot in Yankee stadium.

  • Austinmac

    We all would have something like Castro for Whitley, but reality is this trade seems like a good one. You must give to get. A starting SS with above average defense and average offensive hitting is a big upgrade. Big hole no. 1 is fixed. I do hope that means they will now add two starters, particularly since he is low cost.
    Headley, Miller/Robertson and two good starters and let’s see what happens. Good pitching, defense and hopefully improved offense with Didi and Headley for the full year.

    • Bigdan

      Excuse me but where does it say Didi is an average hitter? Is he even average for a SS? He had .650 OPS last year in 300 PAs.

      • Jim Is Bored

        His career wrc+ is almost exactly average for a shortstop over the same time period.

        • Bigdan

          So .680 OPS is average for a SS? Maybe so. I certainly hope he’s better than average with the glove. Because Greene was certainly better than average as a starter last year.

          • Jim Is Bored

            OPS isn’t as inclusive as wrc+. .86 wrc+ was average; so Didi was worse than that last year. But he was better than that in 2013. The truth is probably somewhere in between.

      • FIPster Doofus

        “Gregorius is 24 and has racked up +1.7 WAR in 724 career plate appearances, thanks to an 84 wRC+ and roughly average defense at shortstop per UZR. However, his defensive reputation is significantly better than that, as he was considered a plus defender as a minor leaguer, and could very well turn out to be a real asset in the field. Steamer sees him posting an 86 wRC+ in 2015, so he’s roughly an average hitter for the position, and if he fields up to his reputation, it’s not too hard to see him as a +2 to +3 WAR shortstop going forward.”

        http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/instagraphs/yankees-land-their-jeter-replacement/

      • Austinmac

        I would bet that is average for a SS when the overall OPS averages .700.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      I guess it really was early this morning, wasn’t it?

  • HoopDreams

    With Greene gone I assume they must be close with a deal or feel confident about landing a starter or two

    • davealvarez

      I would imagine so. Either that, or confidence in Nova and CC’s rehab, and the potential for backups like Mitchell, or possibly Banuelos.

      • RetroRob

        I don’t think they can have that much confidence. They may believe they can both come back at varying levels, but I don’t think they’ll bet on that. I suspect one of the top three starters and a second tier starter (McCarthy or Liriano) will be signed.

        • davealvarez

          Not saying they SHOULD have confidence in CC (I’m more up on Nova coming back next summer healthy), but I can see that as a possibility. I agree that they’re better off signing a top-tier starter, and a reliable back of the rotation guy like McCarthy.

          • Adam Brunelle

            The ultimate question is: Do you pay 20-25m each year for Scherzer or do you try to land McCarthy and Santana, for instance, at 12-15m each per year for less time? In one scenario, you’ve got an elite SP and in another you’re got two good ones and the depth in case one gets hurt.

        • Jim Is Bored

          Thinking the same thing. I bet McCarthy comes back, maybe Hiroki. And I’m hoping/expecting Scherzer.

  • Rick

    Some guy on twitter added this … Mike Axisa ? @mikeaxisa Follow

    In the last nine months, NYY turned Solarte (MiLB FA), Nuno (indy ball signing) and Greene (15th rd pk) into Headley, McCarthy, Didi.

    • Jim Is Bored

      That’s remarkable.

    • pfoj

      They’ve been really good with the back end of the roster the past few years. It’s the front half of the roster building I’ve had issues with.

    • Bigdan

      Yea but now it’s just Didi right? I don’t see Headley or McCarthy on any Yankee roster. And Solarte starts and bats second for the Padres and Greene will be in Detroit’s rotation.

      That’s the price of pure rentals.

      • Jim Is Bored

        “And Solarte starts and bats second for the Padres”

        Oh damn, we really need that guy then.

      • Canarsie Yankee

        Nuno wasn’t going anywhere with the Yankees and Solarte bats second for the Padres. Given the Padres offense, I think I could even hit ninth for them and the only hit I’ve ever gotten was when I swung and managed to hit the pitch with my hand.

        • Bigdan

          Solarte was a perfectly average hitter for the Yanks and Padres last year as a starter. So was Prado and Headley for the entire season. Prado makes 20 times Solarte’s salary!!! Headley will make 30 times this year!!

          Yea I know.

          • Canarsie Yankee

            Sometimes you have to give to receive. I hope Solarte keeps it up, but I’m still okay with the trade for Headley.

          • http://shhhorsie.com Cheval Anonyme

            It’s always a pleasure to observe you converse with your biggest fan.

      • Dalek Jeter

        And Not-Zolio Almonte hit leadoff for the Mariners to open last season.

  • YankeeFan™

    That bullpen would be amazing with Miller Betances Robertson what a duo. I think with the money saved this can be a reality.

  • Rick

    Jesse Spector ? @jessespector Follow

    2014 WAR
    Didi Gregorius: 1.1
    Derek Jeter: 0.2
    The Yankees just got five times better at shortstop.

    • FIPster Doofus

      Does this mean Gregorious will get five times as many gifts when the Yankees visit other ballparks?

      • Rick

        Has to, right?

        • FIPster Doofus

          It’s only fair.

      • RetroRob

        The only leftover gifts Didi wants from Derek are his model girlfriends now that he has a steady.

      • Dalek Jeter

        How many gift baskets is he going to give, that’s the important question.

        • Canarsie Yankee

          None for now. Only $500K a year playing in New York? He’ll be lucky to get a can of tomato soup.
          /every person that overhears my wishes to return to my hometown

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        His gift baskets are simply gregorius.

    • Bret The Hitman

      Good news – means HOF will host 5 induction ceremonies for DiDi.

  • Bret The Hitman

    The Yankees have to be close on a starting pitcher. Lester?

    • HoopDreams

      That’s what I’m saying. They must be close with someone, Greene is probably the healthiest starter we had

      • Bret The Hitman

        Yeah, very unlike the Yankees to incur risk without a counter.

        • Adam Brunelle

          I actually don’t think they have to be close with someone to make this trade. There are SO MANY starters on this market who would be excellent upgrades over Greene. The market is flooded, so the Yanks could actually be patient and land some mid-tier guys for the same cost as a higher tier guy and end up way better off.

    • NYCORNERSTONE

      No but its a safe bet they sign Miller today

    • FIPster Doofus

      Maxwell’s Silver Hammer, please.

  • SweetSpot

    Bullet Points:
    1. Gregorious is 24.
    2. He is cost-controlled (doesn’t hit free agency) until 2019.
    3. He’s very good defensively. His arm graded out as a 70.
    4. He’s your number nine hitter and won’t be depended upon to carry the Yankees at the plate.
    5. He’s left-handed at Yankee Stadium.
    6. He’s known to be mature, well spoken and a clubhouse plus.
    7. The Yankees did not give up one of their prime prospects.
    8. Greene is a middle-back end guy that is replaceable.
    9. There are lots of starters out there. Scherzer, Shields, Lester, McCarthy, Liriano, Hammels, Liriano, Masterson, Volquez and more.
    10. His bat has upside potential according to scouts and some GM’s.
    11. He has only played part of two seasons.
    12. The Yankees get younger.
    13. J. Sterling likes it. “That ball is high, it is far, it is gone! It’s a Didi guarantee . . Gregorius is just glorious!”

    • FriarFlyer

      Excellent points…

    • Bret The Hitman

      Thank God there are 2 Lester’s and 2 McCarthy’s. I was a little worried for a sec.

      • SweetSpot

        Shhhh! Don’t want the Sox to hear!

    • Adam Brunelle

      Didi’s Getting Greedy! Homerun!

    • Chip

      Well put. On number 12 – if the Yankees put Prado at 3b they could open with Gregorious (24) and Refsnyder (23) in their infield.

    • TB

      The best part of this trade is the call you came up with

    • http://cnn.com/ Magic Rat

      Agree with all points except I think Greene in being undervalued. Unless he reverts back to struggling with his control/command, his stuff, composure ….he looked like the real deal to me.

  • Bobby d

    I don’t like the trade. You are giving up a young pitcher with a lot of promise who already has shown he can handle it here in New York for a shortstop who had a below .300 on base percentage and hit .226. Isn’t this what you already have basically with Ryan maybe slighty better offensively? You never ever trade young pitching especially one who has already shown he can be part of a rotation for what the yanks got. They will regret this trade when Didi is being booed in May and Greene has five wins already.

  • Adam Brunelle

    My question is: Was Everth Cabrera unavailable?

    If he was available, isn’t he quite a bit like Didi, except without the cost of a SP? I mean that’s one way to evaluate this trade. Did we just give up a solid #4,5 starter for someone who is equivalent to another team’s recent non-tender? I don’t know the circumstances–and maybe Did shows signs of potential greatness going forward or Everth shows signs of decline or injury–but it seems a little silly since Didi and Everth aren’t that different and one costs 0 players.

    • NYCORNERSTONE

      Everth is a much better hitter and basically the same glove and he can fly plus he switch hits didi is going to platoon with ryan hit 230 if hes lucky lame trade

      • http://riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        Gregorius is a career .243/.313/.366 hitter. Cabrera was a .236/.318/.328 hitter when he was that age. Gregorious is also better in the field and doesn’t have the rap sheet.

        • TB

          Mike that’s relatively fair but one hit in a great hitters park and the other in the toughest hitters park in the sport

          • http://riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

            Through age 24:

            Gregorius: 88 OPS+
            Cabrera: 81 OPS+

            OPS+ is park adjusted.

            • TB

              Yes I know its park adjusted But thank you for that info

              • Jim Is Bored

                “Yes I know I’m wrong but bla bla bla”

                • TB

                  Dick showing what an idiot he is again – he was comparing owings to didi of course the poster was comparing Cabrera to didi

                  • Jim Is Bored

                    You’re embarrassing yourself, Terrence.

                    • TB

                      No I let you do that DICK and for the record my name is Tommy not Terrence you mental midget

                    • Jim Is Bored

                      Terrence, don’t be embarrassed by the name your parents gave you.

                    • TB

                      I am not I very proud of my name DICK

                    • Jorge Steinbrenner

                      So why are you letting him get to you like this when he’s just calling you by your name? I don’t get it.

                    • Jim Is Bored

                      I think someone told me he’s considering a switch from Terrence to Tommy.

                    • TB

                      That’s not my name Jorge and he is total fool calling me by the wrong name. My name is Tommy Jorge if you would like to know

                    • Jorge Steinbrenner

                      This is glorious….it’s more than glorious, it’s gregorius.

              • NYCORNERSTONE

                Knowing how joe manages i think he will be a platoon player with Ryan

            • pfoj

              Owings? Did you mean Everth?

              • http://riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

                I did, fixed.

            • Jorge Steinbrenner

              What do you eyes say, though?

        • NYCORNERSTONE

          So you like this trade Mike ?

        • Canarsie Yankee

          Plus there’s the chance that he improves. Brendan Ryan is what you see is what you get at this point.

        • FriarFlyer

          Gregorius has just over a season’s worth ABs

        • Dave M

          You had me at doesn’t have a rap sheet……….But the fact that he is also a better player. Who could end up as a MUCH better player as a lefty in YS could be great.

          • Wave Your Hat

            Let’s not get carried away.

    • TB

      Adam yes which is my exact evaluation – we traded away a good young pitcher for the type of player we could have signed in free agency at a fair price and helped out a team in the American league who we play 7 times a year and might have to fight for a wild card spot with

    • davealvarez

      I think if you compare the two, character would be a deciding factor. Didi is a great clubhouse presence, Cabrera seemed to be on a decline. I mean, not even the Padres wanted him.

      • CashmanNinja

        Cabrera took PEDs, had a DUI, and beat his wife. Yeah…I want that kind of guy on my team. Not. He would be eaten alive by the NY media. That’s the kind of attention a team DOESN’T want.

        • davealvarez

          We’re already stuck with one pariah, don’t want another.

          • TB

            All teams get stuck with a bad character player – that’s life in professional sports

            • http://riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

              Sure. But why settle for a bad character player who sucks on the field too?

              • TB

                Mike its fair not to want Cabrera – not saying that – just the point that’s its unavoidable in sports today to not have someone on you team with shaky character

                • Chip

                  But if you can avoid it then you should. End of the day, the Yankees traded a young pitcher with some upside for a young short stop with some upside. They have other young pitchers with upside. They do not have other young short stops with upside.

                  • TB

                    Yea well tell that to Louis Polonia and darrly strawberry and Dwight gooden who all helped our dynasty teams

                    • Jim Is Bored

                      Louis Polonia played 37 games for the Yankees between 1996-2000, supposedly our dynasty years. How did he help our dynasty teams, Terrence?

                    • TB

                      Go back and watch how he helped in a big world series – but I doubt you watch the games oh and I can name others like David Wells and Knobby too. Thanks for playing DICK LOL

                    • Jim Is Bored

                      I’ve never heard of David Wells. Can you tell me his life’s story, Terrence?

                    • Chip

                      By “helping” you mean he hit a ball that O’Neill was able to catch as opposed to slugging a home run?

    • Dalek Jeter

      I liked the idea of picking up Everth on the cheap, but he’s had a lot of off the field issues (the Yankees are big on good character guys), isn’t as good defensively according to both stats and scouts, K’s ALOT MORE, Walks a lot less, and has a substantially higher BABIP while producing a similar slash line to Didi. Plus he’s 4 years older, has less control, and probably costs more in money. Everth does have a lot of speed, and I think a lot of potential, but while Didi may have less potential, I think it’s much more likely that he lives up to that potential.

      • Adam Brunelle

        You are totally right.

        “Cabrera was a 2013 All-Star before missing 50 games for his involvement in the Biogenesis PED scandal. In 2012, the Nicaraguan stole 44 bases and was also facing domestic violence assault charge after a spring training incident with his wife.”

        I could care less about marijuana. But domestic violence? F%#$ that guy.

        • Dalek Jeter

          Yeah, dude wants to smoke up after a game, or in the off season, I don’t care…heck it might make me like him more. But Domestic violence and Biogenesis, I totally get why the Yankees would stay away. (Though, the Biogenesis thing doesn’t bother me nearly as much)

    • Chip

      Didi is a vastly superior defensive SS to Cabrera.

  • blake

    @AndrewMarchand: I would not eliminate Scherzer as a Yankee possibility. Not saying it will happen, but the Yanks aren’t closing any doors, nor is Boras.

    • Bigdan

      Yea but after this trade the Yanks now need Scherzer AND Lester haha!

      • Chip

        nah – Scherzer/Lester and McCarthy gives them a solid rotation.

        • Bigdan

          That’s adding almost $40MM to the payroll right there. Now you’re taking 230 before your closer.

          You see how important Greene was?

          • Jim Is Bored

            Yikes. So in your world where we sign Drew for 10 million and let McCarthy go instead of paying HIM 10 million, that’s different?

          • Chip

            Separate them out because the Yankees already have money set aside for McCarthy.

            They saved probably $5-7 mil on SS by going Gregorious over Drew and they’ll save probably another $15 by not signing Headley. There’s $20 mil towards whatever they have to pay Scherzer or Lester this year.

          • Jorge Steinbrenner

            Greene wasn’t even a lock for the 2015 rotation. You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about, BigWank.

          • http://shhhorsie.com Cheval Anonyme

            Oh, he is absolutely irreplaceable. I’m in awe of your insight. It’s truly impossible to find a fifth starter in this year’s marketplace. They don’t grow on trees, as shortstops do. It’s not as though pitching is anything like an actual market, with supply and demand. This is more like an auction of rare art, and Shane Green is basically a unique and irreplaceable Rembrandt. And of course, that absolutely supports your point, Big D.

        • blake

          dude just signing Scherzer or Lester only gives them a solid rotation…..that front 3 would be stellar if healthy.,

          • Chip

            No no – I’m saying McCarthy and one of Scherzer OR Lester

          • Bigdan

            So what you’re saying then is the Yanks need Scherzer or Lester to be solid. So what if they don’t sign either? What are they then? They are not even in the mix for Lester.

            That’s how important Greene was.

            • Chip

              Dan – you just put Shane Greene on a level with Scherzer and Lester – you have to go sit in the corner.

              • hansdee

                He’s been needing a time out for months.

                • Jorge Steinbrenner

                  He needs a brain enema.

                  • hansdee

                    Is that really cost effective though?

                  • hansdee

                    Is that really cost effective though?

              • Bigdan

                The Yanks need a Scherzer or Lester to have a strong rotation PLUS Greene. Without out Greene, they need either just to be ok now. But what if they don’t get either. That’s my point.

                • Chip

                  If they don’t get either – if they just re-sign McCarthy then they’ll enter the season with a rotation of Tanaka, Pineda, McCarthy, CC and Phelps. That’s still not a bad rotation. And odds are strong that Brian wouldn’t have made this deal without Hal’s ok to add pitching.

                  • Bigdan

                    That rotation might work if everything goes right. That is Tanaka and Pineda stay healthy. And CC can actually pitch at all. And McCarthy’s shoulder is healthy which is no slam dunk. In fact, your rotation suggestion is actually, two bad shoulders, one bad elbow, one bad knee and Phelps. That’ll work with this offense.

                • Chip

                  Put another way – do you honestly believe that the General Manager who famously said that “pitching is the key to the kingdom” would trade away a serviceable starter from a rotation with question marks if he wasn’t confident that he could replace him?

                  • Bigdan

                    That’s what I’ve been saying. He’s got his work cut out for him. The Yanks have lost THREE starters this off season and have added zero. And Lester/Scherzer is just beginning of the fix. But if they don’t get either. . . . ?

                    • Chip

                      Then they’ll do something else.

            • blake

              Green was a 5th starter candidate….he wasn’t even guaranteed to be in the rotation. Not that important.

          • UnKnown

            Front 4 really.

  • YankeeFan™

    Before anyone judges this trade let’s see what the kid does. He’s young And has potential I could see him having a solid season as our number 9 hitter My Hope Is he can hit 260-270 with 10-12 hr and great defense.

    • Bigdan

      If that happens, this trade would be a huge win for the Yanks. But just don’t see that type of offense in his background.

  • EndlessMikeJr

    I like the trade but how different is he too Bredon Ryan who is signed for this year and has a option for next year.The Yankees have no power if they keep Brett Gardner in left.

    • Adam Brunelle

      Did you watch last season? Gardner was one of our best power hitters. 17HR is no slouch.

    • Jim Is Bored

      Wait are you proposing that we would have more power with Brendan Ryan?

      • Canarsie Yankee

        He hit a ball out of the infield once.

    • http://riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Brendan Ryan is 32 and had an 18 OPS+ last year.

    • blake

      Younger, contgrolled longer….more upside.

  • UnKnown

    So what’s the deal? Didi gets called up late in 2012, plays the full season in the Majors in 2013 and then starts 2014 in the minors until around June. Is that accurate? Why did he go back to the Minors? This move makes me nervous. Greene was a definitely going to be a good number 4 at the worst.

    • Dalek Jeter

      They have another SS prospect, Owings, who they like more.

      • UnKnown

        Hmm. OK. That makes sense.

        • FriarFlyer

          …and a third prospect Nick Ahmad from UConn and a veteran Pennington…traded from their surplus as we traded from what we must feel is depth, #4/#5 starters

  • Bigdan

    Just imagine how bad the Yanks rotation can be now? Assume just one of Tanaka/Pineda goes down. CC is your No. 2 starter. Phelpsie is three. Ugh!!

    The Yanks lost THREE pitchers this off season and have added zero. Scherzer or Lester is just the beginning of trying to fix this.

    • Patrick

      The offseason is still young. The Yanks will add starting pitchers.

      • Jim Is Bored

        It’s amazing that people have literally forgotten that we had no warning for the deal that we’re TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW.

        Patience is non-existent here.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          Did the wooden ship receive any warning that the Facebook iceberg was approaching? They’re suffering from collective PTSD. Take it easy on them.

    • Canarsie Yankee

      In other words, the situation the Yankees faced just this past year when everyone was looking to Chase Whitley, Shane Greene (before he did yeoman’s work this year), even the Mexican Gangster himself to plug the rotation holes?

      The Yankees picked up Chris Capuano to put into the rotation.

      • Bigdan

        Wasn’t Cashman who said if you played that scenario out 100 times it would never come back as good as it did?

        Luck vs. skill

        • Jim Is Bored

          Humility vs bragging.

      • Dalek Jeter

        And still had the second best pitching staff in baseball.

    • Yankee Trader

      Just coming on. Did Cashman make the deal while rappelling down the building. I wonder what the DBacks would have wanted for Owings?

      Ryan platoons vs lefties?

      No I hope to see the Yankees go after Lester and MCCarthy, or Liriano if his medicals are OK.

      What was the consensus of the 800 or more posts?

  • FIPster Doofus

    Jeff Sullivan
    ?@based_ball last year among starters, Shane Greene ranked in the top 25% in grounders and the top 20% in strikeouts and fastball velocity

    • Jim Is Bored

      I think it’s fair that I can be OK with this deal and still regret seeing Greene leave.

      • FIPster Doofus

        That’s where I am, too.

  • UnKnown

    Did the great Big Dano call this trade many many times as he said before in the past? Or numerous times recently that this was going to happen.

    • HoopDreams

      “As I predicted once Didi was delivered in the hospital. He has taken over the SS once Jeter has retired”

  • ScottinSJ

    I’m looking forward to the crowd breaking out into Gregorian chant when Didi comes to the plate.

  • Farewell Mo and Jeet

    Meh. I guess they didn’t have many options though I’m skeptical that he can even be league average SS. Not sure he’s more than maybe 1/2 a win upgrade over giving the job to Ryan.

    • Jim Is Bored

      Did you see Ryan’s stats from the last 2 years? A full season of last year’s Didi was still a 1.5 WAR upgrade over Brendan Ryan’s 46 games. If you play out Ryan over a full season he was worth -2.4 WAR.

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        WAR has so many more flaws than MY EYYYYYYYYEEEEZ.

        • Farewell Mo and Jeet

          Last year’s Didi over a full season would have been about 0.6 WAR which would likely place him among the bottom 10-20% of SS in the majors. Granted, that’s better than last years Ryan but in his last 2 full seasons at SS when he was played regularly and not pulled in and out of the lineup, Ryan had 2.8 and 1.4 WAR seasons. I don’t hate the trade, just think it may not be much of an upgrade. Meant for Jim.

          • Jim Is Bored

            But Ryan is not 27 anymore. I don’t even think Terrence would say Ryan was going to put up more than 1 WAR in a dream scenario.

            I’m also not buying that with his batted ball distribution, Didi is going to put up another .257 BABIP.

            • Looser Trader FotD™

              Most (100%?) of Ryan’s WAR those two seasons was his D. That’s slipped. Maybe a lot. So say my eyes. Too lazy to look up D stats which I don’t love anyway.

          • Jorge Steinbrenner

            I’m always in between you two. Sigh.

            • Canarsie Yankee

              Every couple needs a fish between them. It’s good luck.

    • Patrick

      .194/.277/.278
      .197/.255/.273
      .167/.211/.202

      I’ll give you one guess who had those numbers over the last 3 years.

      • Dalek Jeter

        Stephen Drew!

        Wait..I mean. Ryan. Clearly Ryan. I didn’t look it up YOU LOOKED IT UP!

  • ScottinSJ

    Unproven young pitcher for unproven young SS. Let the dice roll begin.

  • TB

    Brandon McCarthy tweeting out Detroit just got a pitcher with electric stuff lol

    • Bigdan

      Best stuff the Yanks brought up in a starter in ten years, other than Joba of course.

  • Dalek Jeter

    I liken this to a much lesser version of Montero for Pineda. It’ll be legitimately 3 or 4 years before we can say either team won this deal. Before this season we were saying how the Montero/Pineda trade was basically a wash because Montero has been awful and Pineda hurt…now we’re counting on Pineda to be our 2 or 3 starter in 2015. When trading really young guys like this it takes a while to see how it’ll work.

  • blake

    I think Shane Green is challengeing Refsnyder for the most legendary prospect of all time now.

    • Yankee Trader

      Did you like the trade? Now the next deal is BP. Hope to hear today.

      • blake

        heck yea…..they have a chance to fix SS and they gave up a 5thish starter to do it….they have several Shane Greene types. I mean I like him but his minor league track record doesn’t match what he did last year…..

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      Imagine if he played for someone else. He’d walk on fucking water.

      • blake

        if he played for somebody else then there would be Gardner for Shane Green trade proposals for sure.

    • Chip

      I believe it’s officially called the Francisco Cervelli Award for Imagined Awesomeness

    • Canarsie Yankee

      Greene once prevented a bridge from collapsing by pulling on the suspension cables with his teeth.

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        Shane Greene is my father, even though I’m fourteen years his senior.

    • Patrick

      Phil Hughes was hyped way more.

      Jesus Montero and Eric Duncan were also hyped like crazy

      • blake

        Yea I’m obviously joking but I think the Shane Greene was a rock in our rotation stuff is crazy

        • Patrick

          WHOOSH that joke went right over my head.

          Yeah, looking at it objectively, Greene is a good pitcher with the POTENTIAL to be a 4 or 5 starter. He is hardly a middle or top of the rotation arm, and I certainly wasn’t counting on him to reproduce his 2014 results. He’s a nice player but I would take Gregorius over him easily.

  • Bobby d

    Unless the yanks sign two starters like Lester and McCarthy or Sherzer and McCarthy this trade puts them another step closer to last place! The rotation is filled with question marks and if tanaka was to ever need Tommy John surgery with what we saw out of Sabathia last you are looking at last place!

    • Dalek Jeter

      http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2014&month=0&season1=2014&ind=0&team=0,ts&players=0

      right now the only pitcher who definitely isn’t going to be returning to the 2nd best staff in baseball is Greene.

      • Jim Is Bored

        I seriously think Hiroki is going to come back for one more year.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      I’m wary of what Greene could grow into. I’m not wary of what the Yankees lose, in losing Greene, at the start of the season. There was a non-zero chance that Greene would begin 2015 in AAA. We’ve lost pitching depth in early Decemeber. Too bad the season starts in April.

      Get a grip.

      • Canarsie Yankee

        Boston wasn’t in on this, so this deal is shit.

    • Bigdan

      Obviously there are more moves to be made. But this morning, the Yanks are closer to last place than they were last night. The rotation now has reached a level of unacceptable risk.

  • The Other Matt

    A week or so ago I was down on the idea of the Yankees trading for Gregorius, when a post here detailed a few SS’s that may have been available through trade or free agency. I really thought making a trade for Rollins, without having to sacrifice much in the way of prospects (maybe a couple mid-level guys), made the most sense to me. But then obviously the reports came out that Amaro wasn’t willing to move Rollins, or at least for what the Yankees were willing to offer, for that matter. Now a week or so later, I’m pleasantly pleased with the move the Yankees made today to get Gregorius. I’ll be the first to admit I’m a bit down on the fact that Greene had to be the piece that was dealt, but that’s the cost of doing business. Not too many times will you be able to get something of value without giving up something of value. I really thought Shane Greene was the most reliable SP the Yankees had going into next season, despite his lack of experience. He was a really a joy to watch to last season, particularly with his background/story, and pretty good I might add.

    As for Gregorius he’s a decent young player with the potential to be a good player without having to dream too much. He’s definitely more known for his glove, but his BB% and K% suggest that he has pretty good plate discipline for a young guy as Mike pointed out which bodes well for the future and projecting what kind of offensive player he’ll be. Not to mention, he batted 252/332/373 in 2013 (92 wrc+), so the thought of him being a decent offensive player isn’t a pipe-dream by any means. All reports suggest that his makeup and personality is top-notch which is a plus, and probably preferred/needed for the guy who will be taking over the reigns of Derek Jeter, whether it be short-term or long-term. I’m certainly hoping it’s long-term, because that means he’s probably doing well, and we can have a young player to look forward to watch for years to come.

    Kudos to the Cashman and the front office, I have a good feeling about this. I’m sad to see Greene go, but SS with solid glove-work and potential league-average offensive ability don’t come around too often, specifically young ones.

    Additionally: I think now the Yankees HAVE to get Brandon McCarthy. I still don’t think playing for guys like Scherzer or Lester is the way to go, but re-signing McCarthy is imperative if it wasn’t already. He has to be the main priority right now, maybe even ahead of Robertson and Miller, though Miller’s decision seems imminent. Buying low on a guy like Masterson, who when healthy is very good and a gets a lot of ground balls which bodes well in Yankee Stadium, would also be a good idea. Then you also have guys like Brett Anderson and Medlen available now, though I believe Medlen could end up back in ATL. But I would definitely give both Masterson and Anderson some strong consideration.

  • SweetSpot

    Almost 900 comments – starving Yankee fans finally get a meal. Love it.

    • Dalek Jeter

      Devour it, and then complain about how shitty it was.

      • SweetSpot

        LOL. Excellent.

    • ScottinSJ

      Didi is more of an appetizer than a full meal.

      • SweetSpot

        I think a starting shortstop is at least a first course no?

  • Yankee Trader

    Did you like the trade?

    • MTU

      Yes.

      • Yankee Trader

        I’m not so sure. The Tigers liked Greene because he dominated them, ? Twice last season.

        • MTU

          I think it’s fair value on both sides.
          I’m surprised the Snakes rejected a straight swap.
          Anyway, I’m glad Cashman got it done.

          • Yankee Trader

            Could Greene alone have gotten Addison Russell of the Cubs?

            • MTU

              Nope. Not IMO.Much higher rating for Russell.
              Gregorius still has upside. As does Shane.
              We’ll grab another pitcher or 2.
              Basically McCarthy is an older version of Greene.
              Very similar repetoire.
              Lester, Scherzer, Shields, Kuroda also all still out there.
              People keep forgetting to mention Ivan.
              He’ll be back around May.

              • Yankee Trader

                May would be the earliest for Nova,one year after surgery.

                From Rotoworld
                “Yankees activated RHP Ivan Nova from the 60-day disabled list.
                The 27-year-old right-hander was hit extremely hard over his first four starts of the 2014 campaign and was then forced to undergo Tommy John surgery. His recovery has gone incredibly smoothly to this point and he’s on track to rejoin the Yankees rotation within the first few months of the 2015 season.” Oct 31 – 11:22 PM

                • blake

                  I keep forgetting nova exists

                  • Austinmac

                    He really doesn’t for next year. They often say 18 months for TJS recovery and actual game pitching. Recent efforts to shorten it have not always worked.

            • Chip

              No chance.

              Look, Gregorious is a good young defender who may develop into a good player but Addison Russell could be a stud. I like Greene, but best case scenario he’s Derek Lowe – that’s not getting you a stud prospect.

              • Yankee Trader

                Or Wang during his best years

                • Chip

                  Greene (like Lowe) can rack up more strikeouts than Wang did in his best years.

                  Greene came in at 9.8 K/9 this year (which is actually higher than either Wang or Lowe did in their best years) but part of that is the lack of much of a scouting report on Greene (and also the fact that strikeouts in general are up from where they were when Wang and Lowe were in their primes)

              • Jim Is Bored

                I think Derek Lowe is a fantastic example of a best case scenario, actually.

            • Jorge Steinbrenner

              He couldn’t even have gotten you one of Russell’s armpits.

            • Dalek Jeter

              Theo just burst out laughing and hit end on his cellphone. He has no idea why.

              • Yankee Trader

                Cashman couldn’t hear Theo, because he was rappelling down the building at the time! :) LOL

            • blake

              No way

            • Rick

              If Russell suffered a career ending injury the day before the trade.

              • Yankee Trader

                OK I got the picture for most stupid post of the day!.
                Rick you had the best response!

                • Rick

                  Wasn’t a stupid post at all – Russell is just one of the elite prospects in the game. Is Didi spectacular? No. Is he better than Ryan and was the acquisition cost relatively cheap? Yes.

    • Dalek Jeter

      Gut reaction, no. I’m lukewarm on it. Depends on what else the Yankees do and how valuable Mr. Gregorious is the next few years.

      • YakaTanaka

        Definitely depends on how valuable he is…

    • Chip

      Yes.

      • Yankee Trader

        Chip
        I thought your favorite was Desmond!

        • Chip

          He was, but you can’t get Desmond for Shane Greene.

    • SweetSpot

      Yes.

    • Jim Is Bored

      On a scale of 0 to 100, I’m probably around 60-65.

    • mitch

      It’s unlikely Greene will ever be more than a back end starter and it’s unlikely that Didi will ever become more than an average SS, but an average SS is a lot harder to get than a back end starter, so I like the trade.

    • Terry

      No.

  • ScottinSJ

    On a positive note, Didi is better than Drew, Ryan and 40-year old Derek Jeter, so this is a (minor) upgrade.

  • http://www.google.com/ Tanuki Tanaka

    Wasn’t this guy suppose to be the next Derek Jeter about three years ago?

    • SweetSpot

      No.

    • The Other Matt

      Arizona’s former GM Kevin Towers said that Gregorius reminded him of Jeter with his makeup and such when they acquire him from Cincy.

  • Canarsie Yankee

    Could have had Owings if Cashman didn’t sleep on the sidewalk that one time.
    /pulls pin on the grenade

    • Terry

      I would have preferred to keep Shane Greene, whether it was Owings (granted a better deal than Didi) or Didi.

  • ScottinSJ

    You have to love the name Didi, though. The only other Didi I can recall is Didi Conn, who played Frenchy in the movie Grease. The Yankees to Gregorious: You’re the One that I Want.

    • bernbabybern

      Hopefully Didi > Diddy

    • Terry

      If you want to talk about charisma, the name doesn’t matter, it’s his interviews and his ability to be a public spokesman, especially during hard times which will inevitably come this season.

      I’ve seen his interviews.

      Not impressed, he’s looking up trying to remember talking points with no investment in what he’s saying, like he’s being coached, but going through motions.

      • ScottinSJ

        So Didi is not exactly gregarious?

        • Terry

          Indeed.

          Which is not surprising, it’s like watching an interview with Betances.

          Derek Jeter, Didi is not.

          • Jim Is Bored

            I can’t tell if this is racist or not. It’s certainly on the border.

            • Jorge Steinbrenner

              I don’t see anything outlandish, but I’ll assume “yes” anyway since I don’t agree with him.

              • Jim Is Bored

                Well I’m assuming that if he were a native english speaker, we’d get to see, at least more clearly to our American eyes, that he’s just as poised and natural as the reports say. Or if we understood the languages he spoke better than English, we wouldn’t have the same concern that his speeches sound rote or memorized.

                AKA, I would sound terribly unprofessional if I were playing in the Mexican League and giving interviews.

                • 86w183

                  No you wouldn’t, you’d sound like a foreigner

                  • Jim Is Bored

                    That’s kind of my point.

                • Jorge Steinbrenner

                  Jim: “Yo toque las pelotas hoy.”

                  *millions of Mexicans roll around the floor laughing*

                  • Jim Is Bored

                    Hey now I actually speak not-terrible spanish. I don’t even need google translate for that one!

                    • Jorge Steinbrenner

                      Remember when I tried to translate the Ron Burgundy “__________ is the balls” into Spanish, and it turned into a three-hour argument with Rolling Doughnut as to Spanish grammar? Ah, those were the days.

                  • Canarsie Yankee

                    I desperately want Everth Cabrera to sign with the Mets and say that on his first day.

          • Jorge Steinbrenner

            Clearly, not being Dwayne Johnson on the mic got in Dellin’s way last season.

            • Terry

              Nobody claimed otherwise.

              Dellin never met too much trouble, and when he did, he wasn’t the closer anyway.

              The bullpen was solid for most of the year, and even down the stretch, while bedraggled, it was still a strength.

              Now Dellin’s the closer, and the team’s performance (not just his own) will be put under the microscope. You saw it in Mariano’s time, just as you saw it last year when Robertson was closer. When the Yankees lost or were struggling, or even if someone in the bullpen had a problem, Mariano or Robertson was held to the mic. You barely ever saw Dellin answering questions for his own failures, let alone other people’s or the team’s – because he wasn’t the closer.

              Now he is, and the responsibilities and mic time will be magnified.

              • Rick

                When did Dellin become the closer?

                • Terry

                  If Dellin’s not closer with Robertson gone, I’d be surprised.

              • Jorge Steinbrenner

                Dellin’s the closer?

                • Terry

                  Am I missing something?

                  Who else is going to be the closer with Robertson gone?

                  Assuming Miller is signed, he’d be the set-up man, correct?

                  But no matter who the set-up man is, what is Dellin supposed to do?

                  Pitch the 7th?

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        Puts him about a hundred steps ahead in interview skills from Michael Pineda, then.

        • Terry

          Please, let’s not set the bar low, this is New York, and being comfortable in the media spotlight is a necessary skill-set.

          Public speaking and charisma is a natural ability; not just in what you say and how you say it, but in what you avoid saying. Some people know how to handle themselves without embarrassing their teammates or the organization, walking that fine line. Others (and apparently Didi is one of them) don’t have that ability – I’m not condemning them for it, but it’s like Hitting and Pitching; you are either good at it or you’re not, and some people aren’t great public speakers.

          Right now, Gardner is probably the best personable speaker for the Yankees now that Jeter is gone.

          I just hope Didi doesn’t get crushed in the spotlight, because the sooner the media lays off the Jeter comparisons, the better.

          • Canarsie Yankee

            As long as he doesn’t say something stupid or downright offensive, who cares? I’ve tuned out the postgame interviews long ago.

            • Terry

              I’m just responding to people making a big deal about his name, and trying to make catch-phrases for him.

              Ultimately, much will depend on his performance, but he’s going to have dips and turns even assuming he improves his performance (which has a ways to go).

              Having personable skills helps cope with those inevitable low points, and Didi is already at a low-point in terms of performance. The bar is set high because he’s been named the Shortstop of the Future, replacing a Hall-of-Famer.

              Is that fair?

              Irrelevant.

              It comes with the territory.

              • Canarsie Yankee

                The Sterling call contest comes with every new player to the Yankees, even the pitchers.

              • ScottinSJ

                Lighten up, pal, we’re just having some fun with it.

            • Jorge Steinbrenner

              Suzyn: Didi, how did it feel to go 0 for 4, striking out on twelve pitches, in your debut?

              Didi: I don’t know, Suzyn. Ask this guy.

              *turns around, pulls down pants, has cheeks do the talking*

              Really, anything above this is fine.

          • Jim Is Bored

            CC is absolutely the Yankees most personable speaker.

          • Jorge Steinbrenner

            Handling the media is a nice thing. It’s about one zillionth a time as nice as what you actually do on the field.

            I didn’t care that Big Mike looked like he was fascinated by shiny objects when all the mics were in front of him. I was concerned about why he was in front of the mics to begin with.

            • Terry

              Reposting:

              I’m just responding to people making a big deal about his name, and trying to make catch-phrases for him.

              Ultimately, much will depend on his performance, but he’s going to have dips and
              turns even assuming he improves his performance (which has a ways to
              go).

              Having personable skills helps cope with those inevitable low
              points, and Didi is already at a low-point in terms of performance.
              The bar is set high because he’s been named the Shortstop of the Future,
              replacing a Hall-of-Famer.

              Is that fair?

              Irrelevant.

              It comes with the territory.

              • Jorge Steinbrenner

                Didn’t sound any better the second time, but I am interested in your public speaking course and would like more information.

                • Scott

                  I honestly can’t tell if he is being real or not. If it’s sarcasm it’s hilarious. If he is serious it is one of the dumbest things I have seen on this site.
                  Which would be the second time today I read something absurd on here. Someone posted earlier that Jeter is selfish for not staying with the Yanks one more season until they had his replacement in place, and because of that the Yanks lost Greene in this trade. SMH.

              • ScottinSJ

                Only Bigdan can do reposts!

                • Terry

                  Overruled!

            • Austinmac

              Very funny.

            • Looser Trader FotD™

              Terry = Ted?

        • pfoj

          I remember Johnny Damon getting interviewed after his double steal in 2009. That was one of the worst interviews I’ve ever heard. Didn’t stop him from a nice Yankee career.

          • Jorge Steinbrenner

            Damon was not great on the mic.

      • Jim Is Bored

        Isn’t English not his first language?

      • YankedOutOfNonExistence

        Why expect this kid to be the spokesman?

        • Terry

          This is New York.

          He is replacing Jeter.

          He is the Yankee starting Shortstop of the future.

          He will have a hundred microphones pushed into his face every day this upcoming season.

          Figure it out.

          • pfoj

            ROFL

          • Canarsie Yankee

            I think we’re confusing the fact that Jeter was Jeter means that every shortstop has to be Jeter. That role can land on someone else.

          • YankedOutOfNonExistence

            You know what, you’re right. I’m looking forward to seeing what website he launches upon his retirement 16 years from now.

      • Rick

        This has to be a total joke.

      • SweetSpot

        What the hell are you talking about???

    • YankedOutOfNonExistence

      Deedee Ramone!

    • 86w183

      plus he runs like greased lightning!

      looking forward to those summer nights

  • https://www.facebook.com/daniel.wasserman.35 nsalem

    This move leaves me to believe that the Yankees are planning on acquiring Lester or Scherzer and will be making offensive upgrades at other positions.

    • Rick

      To me it signals they thought the $10M+ it would take to land a SS this year just wasn’t worth it and that money can be better allocated elsewhere. Where that elsewhere is, is yet to be seen – but it certainly could mean what you suggest.

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        Agreed. This is certainly one of the plusses for me.

        • Wicomico Pinstripes

          Did a double take. Read plusses wrong the first time.

      • mitch

        at the least it’s now imperative to sign a starter

      • https://www.facebook.com/daniel.wasserman.35 nsalem

        My thought process was this. In trading Greene who may have had the healthiest arm on the roster they believe they are obtaining at least to new starting pitcher one of them being ace might material. In going for an inexpensive and possibly offensively challenged alternative at SS they will seek to improve their offense in another area. The other possibility one which I dread is that they plan on treading water for the next two or three years until the bad contracts run out and just start new in 2018.

    • YakaTanaka

      Yankees have been rumored to be interested in Didi for a few years now. He’s also probably a nice upgrade over Jeter offensively.

  • http://cnn.com/ Magic Rat

    Just a thought but if the Yankees were to sign Miller and with Lindgren looming, potentially giving them two power LHP’s in the pen, could Wilson be stretched out as a starter?

    I think it was just a couple of seasons ago when he was starting in AAA. And didn’t I read he had four pitches that were at least passable?

    Anyway, just thought.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      I think we’re a long way from having to consider that possibility.

    • Scott

      He was pretty bad as a starter that is why he got switched to the BP. But at least you’re thinking and not bashing the trade for no reason.

  • Austinmac

    I like Greene and his 95 mph two seamer, but they had to add a SS. Did I can field and has a chance to develop as a hitter. He may be about as good as the $115 M man, Andrus, in a year.

  • dickylarue

    Real winner of this trade? David Phelps. With all the injury risk the rotation is carrying, he’ll be our #2 starter by May.

    I actually agree with Brandon McCarthy. I thought Greene had electric stuff. Let’s hope Didi does well because I really believe we gave up a good pitcher.

  • ScottinSJ

    I don’t think any of us likes losing Greene, but let’s face it, the Yanks don’t have a ton of players that other teams want at their current salaries.

    • Jim Is Bored

      Yeah, this too.

    • dickylarue

      I also think the potential return of Nova made him more expendable as well. Really our only tradeable assets near the majors are Gardner (to an extent), John Ryan Murphy, Phelps, Warren and maybe Betances in a blockbuster. Greene was one of our better chips but I really thought with all the injury risk we’d hold on to him.

      • YakaTanaka

        The Yankees have at least a dozen trade assets in AA and AAA, which is very near the majors.

    • 86w183

      You don’t get a potential long term solution at SS for nothing. I was big a Greene booster as anyone, but this is a trade you have to make. They still need Headley (or someone) at least one starter and at least one reliever

  • Dario Rojas

    I think this means, Headley is likely coming back. They need offense out of 3B now. It also means we should plan to see two new starters with the Yankees, it may not be Scherzer or Lester as everyone seems to think, but more likely someone like McArthy and Liriano…..

    • Rick

      If Liriano is smart he’ll go back to Pittsburgh. Seems to have found something there. Wasn’t really special anywhere else.

      • Looser Trader FotD™

        It’s interesting how some guys really like(d) it there – AJ, Russell Martin. And yet it’s probably last on my list of baseball cities I’d like to visit. Or live. Or work. Or anything. There must be one lower (Cleveland?)

        • Wave Your Hat

          That’s thinking from another time. Now that the steel is gone, Pittsburgh is a really pleasant place. The park is great.

          • Looser Trader FotD™

            Is anything great other than the park? I’m about as NYC centric as they come so the bar is high. If my vacation is better than where I live then why bother?

            • Wave Your Hat

              It isn’t NYC but the downtown is nice, it has the rivers, some good universities and it is clean. Cost of living is low. I think you can get field level seats for under $50. What more do you want?

              • Looser Trader FotD™

                A place I’d like to live.

          • Scott

            It routinely shows up in the top 10 of places to start a career and to retire. I have only ever driven through but it is improving as a city.

    • Bret The Hitman

      going cheap at SS definitely opens up possibilities. I would say Headley is coming back and Lester was going to replace Greene’s spot anyways. CC is cooked and they know it, so need a big game lefty. Lester has 3 rings.

    • 86w183

      Liriano costs the # 1 pick so I doubt that will happen.

      The Yanks had a .579 OPS at SS last year. That’s a pretty low bar even for Gregorious to clear.

      • Yankee Trader

        OK 86. When can you be absolved of your sworn secrecy on where Andrew Miller is going to sign. is it today?

        • 86w183

          I’m not sworn to secrecy…. but the closer it gets to reality the harder it is to get thru to some people! Which is not all that surprising.

          I do think it’s done soon. Originally indications were Andrew would wait to see what Robinson got. But once he had multiple three and four year offers that sorta became irrelevant.

          Gotta run — work, not a cop out — if nothing happens this evening I will get after it tomorrow

    • Yankee Trader

      Any ideas on what team might have offered 4/65M for Headley. Bringing him back would certainly help in recruiting to show a pitcher that the Yankees have a pretty solid defensive team.

      I actually like Liriano, if his medicals re ok.

      • Mandy Stankiewicz

        SF possibly

  • bernbabybern

    Career .490 OPS vs LHP, geez…

    • Rick

      A whopping 180 PA’s against them.

      • Wicomico Pinstripes

        Beat me to it.

        • Rick

          If you’re not first, you’re last.

  • FriarFlyer

    Had to be quickest ever to 1000?

    • http://riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      No way. We were getting almost 1,000 comments per inning in the postseason back in 2011-12.

      • Rick

        Oh baby – somebody’s sitting around, smirking to himself, waiting to chat!

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        Without the hello’s and goodbye’s. Imagine that.

        • Dalek Jeter

          INCONCEIVABLE!

        • Mandy Stankiewicz

          LOL

        • bernbabybern

          hi

        • Canarsie Yankee

          Barbeque salad! I bet Greene made a mean one.

        • blake

          without mocking Bigdan too!

          • Jim Is Bored

            We had plenty of other people to mock, don’t you worry :)

            Just wait until everybody meets Greg in the game threads.

            • Jorge Steinbrenner

              Greg will be version 1.0 compared to some of these guys.

              • Mandy Stankiewicz

                stuart (mets fan) only comes out when the Yankees are loosing late in the games, as well.

            • Too Many Idiots

              Have you met ScottinSJ in the game threads?

              • ScottinSJ

                That asshole? No thank you!

          • Jorge Steinbrenner

            No, I mentioned him needing a brain enema at one point.

      • Dalek Jeter

        Plus there was the Cliff Lee not trade day.

  • Austinmac

    The overriding reaction I have to the trade is I am so happy not to consider Ryan a starting SS candidate any more.

    What is the average OPS of a starting major league SS? It’s nowhere near the overall average of .700. I think DIdi can and has been average and provide above average defense.

    • 86w183

      Yanks were .579 last year….. Gregorious .682 in two years (627 AB) with Arizona.

      • Looser Trader FotD™

        Sad state of affairs for the Yanks and offense overall when .682 represents an upgrade!

  • ScottinSJ

    Too obvious perhaps — Sterling’s home run call: Gregorious is victorious.

    • Jim Is Bored

      We need to collect all of these suggestions and keep them somewhere so we can see who wins when Didi hits his first home run.

      • Looser Trader FotD™

        Okay I’ll go.

        Did he? Oh Didi! Indeed he did!!

    • blake

      I’m afraid he’ll do some crazy thing like ” Do a DIdi didi dumb didi do or something……it’ll be bad I’m sure but that’s the fun in Sterling…..much like a SyFy movie….the worse it is the better it is

  • Rick

    The real question is who had Didi in the RAB office pool as next Yankees SS? And, secondly, on what date will his sponsorship with Dunkin Donuts begin?

    • Scott

      +1 on the Dunkin Donuts sponsorship

  • blake

    I’m waiting for the first Gardner for Shane Greene trade proposal

    • Rick

      Would you be interested in a Gardner for Shane Green trade?

      • Canarsie Yankee

        Where’s Wayne or whoever it was that wanted to empty the entire Single-A roster for Tulowitzki?

        • Rick

          I’d empty out the Single A roster for Tulo. 99% of those guys are never making it anyway.

          • Reggie C.

            the other 1% end up as DiDi ……

          • Canarsie Yankee

            So would I, but it’s ridiculous to think the Rockies would want 54 non-prospects. Sometimes I play it out just for the lolz.

        • Rick

          I will admit though, Wayne’s trade proposals were something else.

      • blake

        do we get their 1B in the deal?

        • Rick

          Only the first offer, we can negotiate

  • Wave Your Hat

    This trade is about the best thing that ever happened to Shane Greene in New York. A year ago only his mother knew who he was, now everyone knows he was the irreplaceable lynchpin of the Yankee rotation.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      They’re going to have to go get Scherzer, Lester, AND Shields to replace him.

      • Rick

        That’s not enough.

        • Scott

          Nope, they have to trade for Kershaw and Bumgarner too. Then they will have replaced Shane “Cy Young” Green.
          That will also allow them trade Nova for Giancarlo Stanton or Mike Trout straight up.

    • Yankee Trader

      Perfect!

    • bernbabybern

      Yeah because somebody said that.

      • Wave Your Hat

        Oooh, I struck a nerve!

        • bernbabybern

          That nerve is already numb.

  • Rick

    CC, DiDi … I’m so excited

    • YankedOutOfNonExistence

      EE Cummings IV up next.

    • Austinmac

      But, we need AAron.

    • Canarsie Yankee

      I’d quote something from e.e. cummings, if I knew of any.

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        I’m really sorry I can’t come up with an F.F., since G.G. Allin is right fucking there.

        • Canarsie Yankee

          FFS will have to do for some of the comments.

      • Dalek Jeter

        A wind has blown the rain away
        and it has blown the sky away
        and all the leaves away
        and the trees stand.
        I think, I too, have known autumn too long.

    • Deep Thoughts

      Teix for Edwin Encarnacion straight up. Get it done Cash.

  • Canarsie Yankee

    Anyone else enjoying the completely random ass reasons to hate Gregorius? He never saved my cat from that tree, I hate this trade.

    • Austinmac

      Not liking the trade because he speaks Dutch as a first language and may not be a media star is interesting.

      • Chip

        As Craig Calcaterra said on Twitter – I’m ecstatic for fans to just irrationally hate him because he’s not Derek Jeter in his prime.

        • TB

          He is not even mike gallego in his prime

          • Austinmac

            Disagree. As has been pointed out, his career OPS is .682. I bet that is above the average OPS of a major league SS last year.

      • RetroRob

        Considering I spend about 1/3 of my time in Amsterdam for work (and a bit of play), I take it as a positive.

        • Scott

          Never been there, but I bet the play in Amsterdam is awsome.

    • I am Brett Godner

      Hey man, I didn’t hear about your cat. Im sorry about that. I hate this trade now too.

      • Canarsie Yankee

        I know. I’m hugely upset. Wasn’t even my cat.

    • ScottinSJ

      It’s kind of a crapshoot. Could go either way. None of us (okay one of us) can predict what’s going to happen.

    • Scott

      He also jay-walked once. cashman failed. Yanks might as well not even play this season.

  • Mike

    Great trade. Looks like a steal by Cashman. Lester and Scherzer are next hopefully.

    • TB

      lol a steal and rightfully so many around baseball are ripping on this trade – mlb network is having a field day on it

      • RetroRob

        Ripping in what way?

        • Rick

          Let it go.

        • TB

          That they gave up a good young pitcher with an injury prone staff for a guy who cant hit when they already have a bad offense

      • FIPster Doofus

        Well, MLB Network is unbelievably terrible. So, there’s that.

        • TB

          MLB Network is excellent and unbiased unlike most on this board

          • FIPster Doofus

            Hahaha. It’s awful. The only worthwhile analyst on the network is Leiter.

            • Dalek Jeter

              Hey, BK is awesome.

              • FIPster Doofus

                Isn’t he more of a host than analyst? I agree that he’s one of the good ones either way.

                • Dalek Jeter

                  Fair enough. He is the host of that one show, MLB Now or whatever, really the only original “analysis” show that won’t make you dumber for watching.

                  • FIPster Doofus

                    I haven’t seen it. Used to watch Clubhouse Confidential semi-regularly, though. Good show.

                    • Dalek Jeter

                      This show that I’m talking about is basically the replacement for Clubhouse Confidential. Instead of just having Kenny by himself trying to educate the lowest common denominator, they’ve surrounded him with 3-5 other guys on the panel to appeal to that lowest common denominator while Kenny just sits there trying to explain OPS+ to them.

                    • FIPster Doofus

                      Ugh.

              • RetroRob

                He’s better than most on the network, although I have to say, despite my sabermetric leaning ways, BK grates on me. He’s a little too over the top, too dismissive of the other side of the game. Yet, I understand in media that one needs to take extremes. The middle ground, the reflective look at both sides is less interesting!

                • Centaur Hips

                  Recently it seems like he’s toned it down a bit.

            • TB

              You just showed how biased you are in that statement alone – You chose Leiter is all things with the Yankees are great…

              • FIPster Doofus

                Nope. Leiter is levelheaded, which is an MLB Network rarity. I couldn’t care less whether he broadcasts Yankees games. Why would that matter? They could have Flaherty on MLB Net and I wouldn’t defend him because he sucks. Leiter doesn’t.

          • I am Brett Godner

            And it has intentional talk on everyday.

          • Centaur Hips

            They hired Chris Russo and Kevin Millar. Enough said. Love the channel but the analysis could be better.

      • Dalek Jeter

        Most MLBn outside of Brian Kenny ripped the Yankees for handing the closer job to Robertson. Just because these guys used to be players doesn’t mean they know the first thing about anything relating to the business of building a team.

        • Looser Trader FotD™

          I’d go so far as to say that as former players turned mediots they’re especially likely to not know their business-of-baseball asses from their elbows. #1 all time in this regard: Kruk.

      • Scott

        Read my link I posted 2 hours ago. Most are NOT ripping the trade. Most in the media like it. most are saying getting a young cost controlled SS for a 4/5 starter is a deal you make all the time. Check out Pinstripe Alley, it’s all there.

  • Rick

    Now should be about the time Vicki wakes up from her slumber and provides her insight

  • Yankee Trader

    86-
    Can you tell us yet where Miller is going? Is today the day?

  • blake

    I think of this trade like buying a present…..it’s the thought that counts right…..even if it doesn’t work I think their heads are in the right place here and as a fan that’s really all you can ask for.

    • Austinmac

      I agree. They are trying. Getting a SS is not easy considering the three free agents either can’t hit or are really second basemen.

  • Wave Your Hat

    I’m thinking this deal means Adam Warren gets a serious shot at the starting rotation. I like Warren, I think he can be successful as a starter.

    • ScottinSJ

      As long as it’s not David Phelps, I can live with just about anything.

    • Patrick

      I would have given him a shot regardless of this trade. Even if the Yanks sign 2 veteran SP that still leaves a spot open for guys like Phelps, Warren, Mitchell, Banuelos.

    • blake

      if the sign a starter and I think they will then he might get a shot at the 5th spot but he’d have to beat out Phelps and maybe Mitchell or some flyer journeyman they sign. If they did sign Lester or Scherzer then I’d love to get Hiro back for a year…..

      • Wave Your Hat

        If they sign a Lester/Scherzer and a Miller I seriously doubt they have the $12M or so it would take to sign Kuroda, if he wants to pitch, but if they have the money, sure, why not?

        • blake

          thinking/hoping they might would bend a little if it’s just 1 year.

        • https://www.facebook.com/daniel.wasserman.35 nsalem

          They have the money.

          • FIPster Doofus

            They definitely have it. Whether they spend it is something else entirely.

    • Yankee Trader

      I’m still holding out hope that the bullpen is:
      Robertson
      Miller
      Betances
      Kelley
      Warren
      Wilson

      • https://www.facebook.com/daniel.wasserman.35 nsalem

        that’s my wish minus Kelley.

      • I am Brett Godner

        I would really really like that bullpen.

  • Mayan Brickann

    I like this deal because Gregorius should be a strong defender. Carlos Beltran likes this deal because finally there’s someone on this team that hits lefties worse than he does.

    • Yankee Trader

      Mac-
      Your favorite SS, Ryan might end up platooning with Gregorius if Didi can’t still hit lefties after, Long works with him this offseason. Oh no, not Long, I meant who……?

      • Austinmac

        I think he’ll work with a guy named Ernie when he Ernie finishes his day job.

        • Yankee Trader

          From Bert and Ernie?

  • YankeeFan™

    I hope & pray he does a Tino Martinez and becomes a fan favorite after replacing a Yankee legend.

    • ScottinSJ

      I’d settle for .250, some HRs, and a good glove.

  • Mayan Brickann

    All the different scouting takes:

    Buster Olney ?@Buster_ESPN 23s23 seconds ago

    Evaluator on Gregorius: “Above-average defender, but not elite.” As a hitter? “He’s a good defender.” … “You can throw the ball by him.”

    • blake

      this may be but Buster’s annoymous scouts have a history of being pretty stupid.

  • Bigdan

    Sherman at the Post just said that moving Warren to the rotation is in Yanks’ plans and that the Yanks still weren’t interested in big contracts like Lester or Scherzer. Cashman basically said this morning anything is possible. The Yanks reserve the right to change their mind and build up one area if they can’t fill a hole somewhere else.

    I wonder if that means Robertson and Miller are more like likely. Either way, the rotation needs lots and lots of help.

    • https://www.facebook.com/daniel.wasserman.35 nsalem

      Warren has pitched 155 innings in the last two years. He pitched 150 inning approximately in 2011 and 2012 can he turn around and get back to 0ver 150 in one year?

    • Captain Clutch

      I really doubt that on Dec. 5th the yanks have decided that. Maybe in March if they lose out on the free agent starters that they are looking at but no way have they decided that now.

      • Bigdan

        I think Cashman sort of covered that by essentially saying the Yanks reserve the right to change their minds. I believe the direct quote was “the winter’s a long winter.” Obviously Cash has some groundhog in him lol!

    • blake

      translation….call me in January about Scherzer Scott

      • Bigdan

        At the end of the day, the pitchers will be there for the taking. But will Hal spend what he needs to spend to get them?

        • I am Brett Godner

          Well Jack Curry is wearing his yellow tie today and I think we both know what that means.

          • Canarsie Yankee

            Called it sometime around the first Gulf War.

  • Deep Thoughts
  • Yankee Trader

    Wow, the comments are “Fast and Furious”

    Ed Coleman of the Mets likes Gregorius. MCCarthy can replace Greene
    Rosenthal Yanks get young, athletic player time will tell

    • Bigdan

      Yea but then who replaces McCarthy? And Kuroda? The Yanks are down lots of pitchers. Not even considering the health of Tanaka/Pineda.

      Lots of work yet to do. I wonder if the budget will be there to do it.

      • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

        McCarthy AND kURODA REPLACE THEMSELVES.

        • Bigdan

          That may get you to Square One, depending on the health of Tanaka/Pineda. And don’t forget, McCarthy has a history of shoulder problems and Kuroda is 40. Sure would be nice if the Yanks had a cheap and healthy mid-20s pitcher. Oh, they just traded one lol.

      • Canarsie Yankee

        That’s the thing about having a budget, sometimes shit just doesn’t get done. I’m sure they feel they can pick up some pitchers easier than a shortstop.

      • Wave Your Hat

        No, they will go to a three man rotation and 23 active players.

        • Bigdan

          Well that would be one way to save on the budget wouldn’t it?

          • Wave Your Hat

            Sure would. That’s why I suggested it.

            • Bigdan

              That’s what I thought.

              • Wave Your Hat

                I know you did. That’s what I figured you thought to begin with.

  • RetroRob

    Law’s take. I thought he would actually dislike the deal, but he called it a “no brainer” for the Yankees. He noted that Towers once compared Didi (unfairly) to Jeter, but wrote that “Gregorius is an excellent defensive shortstop with great actions and plenty of arm, and his glove alone will provide more value to the Yankees in 2015 than they got from Jeter during his final season at the position.” He adds he doesn’t have much upside with the bat and is a fringy runner, but “he’s cheap, has five years of control left, and can handle the position defensively, so he’s exactly what the Yankees needed at shortstop right now even if he never turns out to be more than an average regular.” He adds that giving up a 26-year-old fourth starter in Greene to fill that hole is a no-brainer and spares the Yankees from overpaying for a Drew or by having to give up prospect depth to trade for a more famous solution.

    Regarding Greene, he believes he can maintain the groundball rate, but he doesn’t have a true swing-and-miss pitch, so he expects his K/swing-and-miss % to regress. Fourth starter.

    • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

      why is being cheap always a part of the equation?
      maybe they should add “till someone better comes along we are just buying time.”

      • blake

        because being cheap and not all that good is a lot better than being expensive and not all that good.

        • RetroRob

          And because being cheap and average (or a 2 WAR player) is even better.

          • blake

            yes…..it’s 5-10 million they can spend on something else possibly.

            • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

              all about the feasibility not the winning?

              • Mayan Brickann

                Why’s it have to be one or other?

                • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

                  one seems more prevalent than the other.
                  didi is not the answer at ss

                  • Mayan Brickann

                    Probably the best answer they were going to find. They weren’t ever getting Tulowitski.

                    • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

                      right now cheap seems like the operative word

                    • Mayan Brickann

                      They’re better at SS than they were last year. They’re also probably not done yet.

                    • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

                      A low cost guy like didi opens the door for a potential Tulo signing.

                  • Scott

                    Says you. Let the kid play some in NY before you pass judgement. An no, spending does not equal success. This conversation was had yesterday. Sherman wrote an article about FA spending last season (and the past several years). The “winner” of the off season spending sprees the past few years have not made the playoffs. Last year in particular the top 5 spenders on FAs missed the playoffs.

      • Mayan Brickann

        “why is being cheap always a part of the equation?”

        Because it appears that Hal S. is going to continue implementing a finite budget. Any position that can be filled adequately at or around the league minimum only serves to help the team.

        • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

          financially but not for the teams sake

      • Centaur Hips

        It’s adding value, not being cheap.

    • Yankee Trader

      Good review. if I was a Tiger fan, I’d like the trade

      • RetroRob

        Agreed. In the end, just like the last time the three teams made a deal, each side may get something they like. I know fans like to have that simplistic “who won” mentality, but it doesn’t quite work that way. I don’t know enough about what the Diamondbacks got back to assess their potential.

  • Deep Thoughts

    The Papiamento will come in handy when commiserating about hitting with Xander Bogaerts and Andrelton Simmons. Are the Dutch West Indies the new San Pedro de Macoris?

  • Game 3

    Welcome Didi. I’ll miss Shane.
    Neither will read this.

  • RetroRob

    1,100 comments in three hours. Imagine what will happen if the Yankees signed a big name.

    More important question: Is there a special “bat phone” installed at the Yankees, Tigers and Diamondbacks offices, that rings all three locations when picked up?

    • Canarsie Yankee

      IPK, Melky, and Hughes for Greene.

    • Yankee Trader

      LOL

      I read that it was Cashman who called the 3rd team, the Tigers to get them involved. Little surprised, although I know little of the players the DBacks are getting, that the DBacks, in need of starters didn’t take Greene straight up.

    • Scott

      I laughed.

  • Yankee Trader

    Murti-
    The Yankees need SP. He believes the Yankees need left handed pitching, so Lester might come into play, suddenly.

    Yankees trying to put core in place with McCann and Ellsbury, and now possible Gregorius.

    Rosenthal doesn’t know if Yankees can go into next season with the same product. Need to add some sizzle.

  • Canarsie Yankee

    /cracks open a Corona because I hate myself
    Yep, nothing like watching those blasting the Yankees budget to get Headley or an A-list starter then turning around and blasting not spending $10M/year plus on a shortstop.

  • sabbysab

    so the Yankees got their next derek jeter – unfortunately its closer to the 40 year old version of jeter and not the 25 year old version.. oh well, last place next stop…

    • Canarsie Yankee

      Please find the 25 year old Derek Jeter clone and we’ll talk.

      • sabbysab

        – carnarsie i agree there is no one close to the 25 yr old jeter (well maybe tulo but we aren’t going there) but what about Jung-Ho Kang – closer to the 25 yr old jeter than the 40 yr old version and better than someone who couldn’t crack the diamondbacks lineup…better defensively, much better upside offensively and you wouldn’t have had to give anyone up for him… when you start off explaining the reason to acquire someone is that “he’s cheap” then we have major issues….

        • Canarsie Yankee

          The consensus seems to be that Kang would need some time in the minors first. Not that the Yankees would be precluded from doing so, after all, Gregorius is cheap right now.

          • sabbysab

            “after all, Gregorius is cheap right now”…see what I mean…Why, Gregorius is truly MLB ready? Gimme the guy who batted 360 with 38 hr’s and a 463 OBP in the minors (the Korean league) than the guy who is flirting with Mr. Mendoza and couldn’t break into a last place teams starting lineup..this was yet another cheap “catch lightning in a bottle” move that this team has made way too many of the last few years…which most, if not all, have failed

            • Centaur Hips

              The better question is that is Kang ready? We have very little idea of what numbers he would put up.

            • Canarsie Yankee

              I don’t think the Yankees are necessarily looking for a world-beater in Gregorius. And money does play into it in that it now has absolutely no impact on signing a free agent the way picking up Asdrubal Cabrera might.
              Kang has yet to post, from my understanding, but there’s a fantastic write-up of Kang the other day on RAB. The Yankees could definitely give him a look, but I doubt he would be in the majors in 2015, maybe as a later season call-up if his Korean numbers translate well enough. It’s not like Gregorius is necessarily penciled into the starting lineup for the next five years.

              • sabbysab

                I agree with all you’ve said except if you’re going to sign Cabrera (another guy whom I’m not crazy about but I’d pick over didi) why trade greene for didi then? Sign Cabrera to play everyday mostly, look to trade greene (if you must) and someone like gardner – who’s stock won’t get any higher than it is now (and sadly is injury prone) for someone who can hit for power and be a mainstay in the middle of the lineup for a few years…. I would have called the blue jays (who’s GM isn’t afraid to make real trades) and see what it takes to get bautista….. greene, gardner plus what 2 or 3 others should get that deal done…don’t you think playing didi also means you’ll need to play Brendan Ryan for about 60 games ? are you ready to see that lineup…I don’t know I expected more this offseason to make up for the last 2 miserable years – signing a stud F.A. pitcher(which won’t happen) still won’t help the offense…

    • http://yankeecanada.com/ Bob(bobby) M.

      I think it’s a bit premature to be that pessimistic

      • sabbysab

        pessimistic about gregorious being a waste or the Yankees getting closer to last place with this trade -LOL? my pessimism about didi is also based on the fact he can’t hit lefties at all…making Brendan Ryan the starter in about 70 games – what a comp?.see what chris stewart did for the Yankees a few years back…

  • Yankee Trader

    Am awaiting “Miller time.” Cash, seal the deal, so it can be announced already!

  • DZ

    I think we could’ve gotten a little more out of Greene, but this is a move that really just had to be made. We needed a shortstop, all the options through free agency had some sort of risk attached, and now we have a shortstop for at least the next few years. My biggest problem with the deal is the development with his bat, which is not something the yankees excel at.

    It seems obvious that there is at least another move coming for the rotation, and I expect it to be a major one.

    • Scott

      I’m hoping the Yanks put as much thought/research into signing a hitting coach that they did finding Rothschild. If they find a decent hitting coach, perhaps he can get Didi up in in the .260s, with an OPS near .700. That would be oustanding.
      I do think Cashman will sign at the very least McCarthy, could be Lester or Scherzer.

      • http://yankeecanada.com/ Bob(bobby) M.

        McCarthy and either Lester or Scherzer would be good signings and would certainly strengthen the rotation now that we’ve traded away Greene. Too bad to lose a pitcher like Greene. He really did a good job for us with the injuries last year but you have to give something to get something.

        • Scott

          No doubt. I liked Greene, I still think he will be good. But to give him up for a decent starting SS was a move the Yanks had to make.

    • http://yankeecanada.com/ Bob(bobby) M.

      maybe we are going to get a hitting coach who can help him hit(ie. if we get a hitting coach) It’s taken a while to get one signed. Have the Rays decided on their manager yet?

      • Canarsie Yankee

        Kevin Cash according to MLB Trade Rumors.

        • http://yankeecanada.com/ Bob(bobby) M.

          the Yankees signed Kevin Cash or the Rays?

          • Canarsie Yankee

            Rays.

      • DZ

        They picked Kevin Cash about two hours ago. I see the players he’ll be surrounded with being more influential than a hitting coach. Guys like Beltran, ARod, Gardner (more his style) could provide a lot of value though.

    • Captain Obvious

      More than a young, starting SS who could become above average? Last off-season he looked like a swingman. On that count, this is a good return.

  • Hans

    A new core of Gregorious, Refsnyder, McCann, Ellsbury, and Gardner it seems.

    • Chip

      I’m going to wait for Refsnyder to take an at bat above AAA before putting him in the core.

    • dickylarue

      Let’s temper the use of the word “core” for awhile, shall we?

  • Chip

    I feel like the people who are against this move are looking at it in a vacuum and that’s not the way off-seasons work. You make a move here and a move there and then see what the team looks like when Spring Training begins and assess how the collection of moves turned out.

    Do the Yankees need to do more than this? Yes of course they do.

    But guess what – the Yankees know that too.

    Do you really believe that the GM who famously said that pitching is the key to the kingdom is going to sit back and say “got a short stop, we’re good” with a rotation that needs at least two more starters?

    • Canarsie Yankee

      Mind. Blown.

    • Patrick

      Even in a vacuum this deal is a good one for the Yankees. Gregorius is more valuable than Greene.

      • Captain Obvious

        That’s arguable, honestly, if Didi doesn’t get better. But it’s worth the risk.

  • Bigdan

    This deal today really does virtually nothing to help the Yanks in 2015. It may have some significance long term if Gregorius turns into an average cheap SS which seems to be his upside, but right now the team filled a whole at SS and by digging a bigger one in the starting rotation. It’s become clearer and clearer that Hal will have to spend to improve the Yanks’ chances for 2015. Spending may not be critical for 2017. Refsynder and Severino and Bird and Judge are for 2017. But for 2015 it’s still Reset + Arod. And much worse pitching.

    • ScottinSJ

      The next two years are going to be challenging, to put it mildly. Let’s keep expectations modest.

    • Chip

      Why don’t you wait until Spring Training to declare the offseason a failure?

      • Bigdan

        Didn’t declare it a failure. Just laid out the gauntlet. Spend or prepare for last place.

    • Mayan Brickann

      Makes ’em better defensively.

    • Canarsie Yankee

      “It’s become clearer and clearer that Hal will have to spend to improve the Yanks chances for 2015.”
      This was in doubt? Where would we be without your wisdom?

      • Bigdan

        You? Not even at Square One.

    • Scott

      I think you are bothered by this trade because it means the Yanks will have to spend big on a pitcher and add more salary this off season than you have been predicting. It will make you look wrong.
      It’s okay to be wrong.

      • Bigdan

        I’d absolutely love if Hal took the budget to $250MM. I’m with Pete on that one. But right now, the Yanks look more like a last place team than they did in September. And as I’ve pointed out several times, Hal has to take the budget to at least $220MM, more than $20MM over last year, just to get to Square One. Because trading young healthy starting pitchers isn’t going to get you there.

      • ScottinSJ

        Are you implying that Dan puts himself before the team?

    • Captain Obvious

      A bigger one? Where did you pencil Greene into the rotation? He was on no one’s radar last December. Now he’s a mainstay in your view?

  • Looser Trader FotD™

    1192 comments and counting. Mike would you please install a spam filter? Thanks.

    • Mayan Brickann

      Mmmmmmmm! Spam.

      • Captain Obvious

        I laughed. Grew up eating the stuff!

  • Centaur Hips

    One thing that I like about this trade is that even if Gregorious struggles for his salary he’s still a good value, which is something this team really needed with all the big contracts.

    Also if you look at his platoon splits he’s above average against RHP and awful against LHP in a very small sample but I wouldn’t be surprised if he ends up being a platoon player down the road.

    • Captain Obvious

      Yeah, I’m not rooting for profits. If there were a good SS in free agency, money should not have been a obstacle. There wasn’t.

  • Dick M

    My guy who works for the Reds says that Didi is a great guy and gold glove caliber at ss. Thinks Ryan is a good fit vs tough lefties.

    • chris hines

      He doesn’t hit well enough to win a Gold Glove.

  • dalelama

    Jeez we just made another stinker of a deal. Our best pitcher for a shortstop that can’t hit to a top rival. Maybe Didi can provide the boys with some Amsterdam hash.

    • davealvarez

      Best pitcher? Top Rival?

      • dalelama

        Detroit is a top rival. It is sad the lack of reading comprehension some folks have.

        • davealvarez

          There was no lack of reading comprehension. My question was in regarding the Detroit Tigers as a “top” rival considering we play them a total of 7 games during the regular season. Easy on the insults.

    • blake

      We traded Tanaka to the Red Sox? When? I hope we at least got Boogereats back.

      • dalelama

        Tanaka won’t last past Memorial Day.

        • blake

          I comprehend….it just doesn’t make any sense.

      • dalelama

        A top rival not the top rival. Please retake English 101.

        • blake

          don’t call Shane Greene our best pitcher if you don’t want a little friendly prodding

          • Wave Your Hat

            blake, you are making the fundamental forum mistake of conversing with someone uninterested in conversing.

            • blake

              rookie mistake

              • Wave Your Hat

                Well, I’m here to larn ya, partner.

          • Centaur Hips

            Greene was our best pitcher? Now I’ve heard it all.

            • Wicomico Pinstripes

              Read the handle.

              • Centaur Hips

                I don’t keep track.

                • Wicomico Pinstripes

                  They’re an old one.

          • dalelama

            No I just believe those to communicate clearly should be able to comprehend what is written before attempting an intelligent response.

            • davealvarez

              I think everyone is comprehending just fine. You don’t seem to comprehend that Greene was not our best pitcher, and Detroit is not a top rival to the Yankees.

              • dalelama

                Only someone of a very limited IQ would not consider a Division winner who has recently owned us not a top Yankee rival. This old proverb, you have certainly proven true, “It is better to remain silent and thought to be an idiot than open your mouth and remove all doubt.”

  • I talked to Barzini

    Maybe this means that they feel pretty good about ManBan

    • Bigdan

      I was thinking Severino.

      • I talked to Barzini

        Well obviously they should feel pretty good about him.

        • Bigdan

          I think he’s going to be ready sooner than people think. But not too soon for the Yanks needs haha.

          • davealvarez

            By 2016 I would imagine he’d realistically get a shot out of ST. If we’re headed for a third-straight dark year by September, maybe he gets a call-up to get a taste of the big leagues.

    • blake

      I think it just means they think Green is a 5th starter and they have several guys who can be that.

      • I talked to Barzini

        Who are those several guys? I can really only think of ManBan and Mitchell. I guess you could say Phelps but he seems more like an “in case of emergency” guy at this point.

        • blake

          Phelps, Mitchell, maybe Banuelos….maybe some guy they grab off the scrap heap….5th starters aren’t hard to find….

          • FriarFlyer

            A year ago people were questioning why Greene was on the 40 man roster lol

        • Wave Your Hat

          If people were asked that question last year I don’t think 5 in a 100 would have mentioned Greene. Just keep things in perspective.

          • I talked to Barzini

            Whether the masses knew him or not, he was still a legitimate upper level option. I agree in principle though. They should be able to add depth without too much friction, and they’ve shown that they’re pretty good at identifying those types.

            • Wave Your Hat

              I mean people here on RAB that supposedly follow the Yanks in detail. I include myself in that, Greene wasn’t on my radar screen a year ago.

    • FriarFlyer

      Feeling good about those depth starters plus Severino?

  • Andy Comins

    Trading away their best young pitcher, you’ve got to be kidding. And for a no-hit shortstop??

    • Wicomico Pinstripes

      Tanaka is sixteen days older and better. Pineda is two months younger and better.

    • Scott

      Their best young pitcher?
      Tanaka
      Pineda
      Severino
      Possibly Banuelos
      Greene, while good, nowhere on that list.

      • Bret The Hitman

        Tanaka is younger than Greene too, weird. And I think so is Pineda.

        • Scott

          I didn’t even realize that. Greene is relatively old. Younger than me, but that isn’t saying much.

          • Bret The Hitman

            I believe they sold high on him – even if he repeats his 2014 season, his value won’t climb much higher. At 26, this is likely who he is. They got good value. The last time they sold high on a prospect was the Jesus Montero deal.

  • BUDDHABING0

    Are we to assume Gregorious is the opening day shortstop hands down or will there be a competition for the spot in spring training? Don’t know much about the kid but he doesn’t seem to be the type of can’t miss prospect who will be handdx the keys to ss for the next few years. Love the trade though.

    • chris hines

      They’ll probably bring somoene like Everth Cabrera in on a minor league deal to compete.

  • Looser Trader FotD™

    I now think I get it. Tomorrow is the day we send Didi as part of a package for Tulo.

    Annnnnyway, I like the trade. Somewhat.

  • Wave Your Hat

    Actually, even if the Yanks don’t do well next year I think I am OK with this move. If we couldn’t get Rollins, A. Ramirez or Castro – and I don’t believe any of those were reasonably obtainable – this is a down-the-road move and the Yankees desperately need to make down-the-road moves. Plus, I think they will sign a decent to good FA pitcher, move Warren into the rotation, sign Miller and bring up Lindgren. As long as Tanaka and Pineda are healthy the pitching will be OK and if Tanaka and Pineda aren’t healthy the pitching was doomed no matter what.

    So I’m feeling as good as I could have reasonably hoped.

    • chris hines

      Not sure I see Warren moving to the rotation. His stuff played much better in the pen the past two seasons and I think he’d be much more effective pitching the the 7th in front of Betances and Miller than struggling to be a 5th starter.

  • Captain Obvious

    I like this trade alot. I’m not sure Didi will be all that good, but given Greene, it’s worth the effort.

  • Pat M

    Good trade for the Yanks

    • Bret The Hitman

      No Castro?

      • Pat M

        Yanks don’t have the chips to get into that game…..

        • Bret The Hitman

          I imagine not. What about Justin Upton?

        • Bret The Hitman

          I imagine not. What about Justin Upton?

    • TripleShortOfACycle

      He is basically Rey Ordonez

      • Bret The Hitman

        Is he that good in the field?

        • TripleShortOfACycle

          Poor Man’s

        • chris hines

          He’s around average defensively, slightly below according to the numbers and maybe slightly above just watching him.

  • Captain Obvious

    The risk of course is that Greene made a huge leap forward and is a late bloomer. But for a starting shortstop with potential you have to make that deal, given the size of their hole.

  • Bret The Hitman

    This deal means their 5th starter is a candidate for replacement when Nova returns imo. We’ll have to see how the top 4 shakes out but I have a feeling it’s Lester, Tanaka, Pineda, CC. All the 5th starter has to do is keep the spot warm for Nova and there are several arms who can do that: Warren, Mitchell, Phelps, Banuelos.

  • Bret The Hitman

    All prospects are still in tact to swing a deal for Justin Upton, so hopefully the Yankees are one of those dozen teams in pursuit.

    • blake

      I’d love to see it…..I don’t think we will though

      • Bret The Hitman

        Only 1 year left on Upton, now’s as good a time as any.

        • chris hines

          Or 1 year left on his deal might as well wait until next off-season when it costs just money.

          • Bret The Hitman

            Unless you can move a contract like Gardner reducing the cost of that spot considering Upton may get 22. 22 is still less than 22+13.

            • chris hines

              I think Upton gets more than Ellsbury’s 7/153, maybe a lot more considering his offensive skill set and age.

              I’m still not exactly sure what the Braves are doing trading Heyward and signing Markakis so who knows but they’ll still want some top end prospects as well, it won’t be just Gardner.

  • Bret The Hitman

    This trade is the result of the “series of proposals” the Yankees put out and leaked out to other teams in order to accelerate the process. The fact the Yankees took initiative to return to this deal and went and got the Tigers involved after the D-backs rejected it, might be an indication it was high up their priority list in the “series of proposals” and they wanted to go with a low salary player there to free up money elsewhere. Miller over Robertson is also a savings. They’re angling for something big.

  • Patrick

    Shane Greene is a lot better today than he was yesterday.

    • Captain Obvious

      Nah, I thought of highly of his year and stuff and results. People are just worried now we’ve given up something great. I understand that point, but it’s balanced by the fact you don’t get something for nothing. And they got a starting SS.

    • hansdee

      You are of course referring to “future Cy Young award winner” Shane Greene? Am I correct?

      • Patrick

        No I’m referring to “Future Hall of Famer” Shane Greene.

        • hansdee

          I’m sorry. Wrong Shane Greene. I stand corrected.

        • hansdee

          I’m sorry. Wrong Shane Greene. I stand corrected.

  • Bret The Hitman

    What will DiDi do without a hitting coach :(

  • Captain Obvious

    I’m sad to see Greene go. He was a fun story and would have been better in 2014 with a decent SS. Too bad they couldn’t make Chase Whitley look better for a trade/joke.

  • bernbabybern

    So, if you don’t like the trade it means you think Shane Greene is a future Cy Young winner.

    So I guess the 90% that like this trade think Didi is the next Jeter.

  • Patrick

    Jack Curry ?@JackCurryYES 2m2 minutes ago
    Andrew Miller has agreed to a 4-year, $36 million deal with the Yankees, according to source involved in negotiations.

    • Bret The Hitman

      WOW – thank you D-Rob (who gets a Papelbon deal)

      • RetroRob

        Not convinced this deal precludes D-Rob returning to the Yankees.

        • Bret The Hitman

          Well I’m convinced on Lester so I think D-rob is gone. We’ll see!

          • RetroRob

            D-Rob, Headley AND Lester. : -)

            • Bret The Hitman

              Greedy SOB :)

            • I am Brett Godner

              Drob, Scherzer, and McCarthy

            • Patrick

              And Moncada and McCarthy please.

              • blake

                all the players

        • Bret The Hitman

          Well I’m convinced on Lester so I think D-rob is gone. We’ll see!

        • chris hines

          This deal doesn’t preclude it but I think they wanted to go cheaper and get the pick, not lose the pick and spend 22M per year on two pen arms.

          • RetroRob

            Entirely possible. Two off seasons back they let Granderson and Swisher leave with QO offers, locking in three high-end draft picks, which became Judge, Jags and Clarkin. Last year they spent on free agents, surrendering picks. This year, they may be back to the plan from two seasons ago, signing Miller to replace Robertson, thus ensuring they will have two high-end picks this year, including their highest first round pick in quite a long time. There’s yet a second strategy the Yankees could be following which I won’t bother with the details in this thread. I think their next move will make it clear which strategy they’re following.

      • RetroRob

        Not convinced this deal precludes D-Rob returning to the Yankees.

    • FriarFlyer

      Comes in a slightly below projections so still cost savings there combined with $ saved on cost controlled SS places Yankees next in line for what starting pitcher or back in Headley race? At this point if not Lester or Max who take McCarthy and Headley and look for another less expensive arm and wait for Severino and next wave of young arms…

      • Bret The Hitman

        Lester should be the guy. I’m unsure about Headley.

      • chris hines

        I hope we stay away from McCarthy, good story but not worth 4-5 years.

    • Captain Obvious

      Ugh, really hope it’s Miler + DRob, not Miller – DRob.

    • blake

      well…..ok that’s not terrible.

    • Looser Trader FotD™

      Somewhat surprised the AAV isn’t higher given the winds blowing these days. Hope DRob, Lester, Max, Headley, and, oh, I don’t know, McCarthy are all next.

  • hansdee

    For right now, at this point in time, from a value perspective, I feel much better than I did last off season, after the Ellsbury, McCann, Beltran signings. This kid was making a half a Meg with the D-backs. Don’t think the Yankees will be paying him much more than that. He has a greater chance to improve over their other SS’s. He’s a better option now than either of those guys.

    • RetroRob

      There’s risk with him, but on glove alone he will be a positive player, and he has upside. The Yankees had a negative 2 WAR at SS last year. A positive 2 WAR from Didi is a 4 win swing for the Yankees.

      • hansdee

        Correct. Beltran, Ellsbury and McCann also came with risk, and for a lot more years and money. Not to mention the draft picks. IDK that there is a risk free deal going.

      • chris hines

        Let’s hope he can post a 2 WAR season, he hasn’t combined for that yet in his young career. Regardless his defense should be a massive upgrade, I don’t think he’ll ever be that great with the bat let’s just hope regular playing time let’s him improve on his .226/.290/.363 slash from last year.

    • Pete22

      He is a Super 2 so will be arb eligible after 2015 season

  • Mandy Stankiewicz

    Anyone think its possible the Yanks buck the “newly created” closer role for the mix and match late inning roles of their pen; without designating a 9th inning guy only/closer role with guys like Betances and Miller at the end of a game?

    • Bret The Hitman

      Definitely.

    • Wave Your Hat

      Sure, neither Betances nor Miller is the sacred “proven” closer so the opportunity is there to use the one the best matches up in the first high leverage “Betances 2014” situation and the other as the ninth inning man.

    • RetroRob

      Wouldn’t shock me, although Girardi has shown a liking to assigning pitchers to certain innings. Yet…

    • Scott

      Sherman believes that will be the case

    • Canarsie Yankee

      Why not? That’s closer money for someone that doesn’t have the save stat. If it works, it might set the pace.

    • LazerTown

      Maybe, but you have to keep in mind that if Betances racks up a ton of saves he is going to cost several million more a year in arbitration.

  • Scott

    Yanks signed Miller 4 for $36

    • mustang

      WOW!!!!!

      • Scott

        Lower AAV than I thought he would get

        • davealvarez

          Apparently he had a 4 year-$40 million offer elsewhere? Forced Cashman’s hand in raising their offer from 4/32 to 4/36. Wonder who Miller didn’t like that he passed up an extra $4 million to play for the Yankees.

          • LazerTown

            The Astros?

  • blake

    well considering Drob probably gets close to 50 million…..they probably got Miller 15ish cheaper. Don’t know if it’s worth it or not but we have another Tarheel so I’m happy about that….

    • Patrick

      Maybe Cashman signs Drob as well. Based on last year, it seems like he can find decent 5 inning starters with ease. So combine that with a bullpen that can dominate for 4 innings .. interesting idea but I doubt it works out that way.

    • Bret The Hitman

      I love how you’ve disowned Brackman.

      • blake

        dude he went to NC State….he was never owned.

        • Bret The Hitman

          The red headed stepchild.

  • Rick Myles

    John Heyman just tweeted NYY get Andrew Miller 4 years $36M. Nice!

  • FriarFlyer

    A starter plus Headley and I will be Ok and it doesn’t have to necessarily be one of the Big 3… still see possibility a WM trade for a bat…

  • blake

    I saw Warren and Miller pitch like a ton in college…..like once a week….so this is kinda cool for me in that way

    • Rick

      did you go to UNC?

      • blake

        yup

        • Bret The Hitman

          Did you have any classes with Rashad McCants?

          • Bret The Hitman

            Did I strike a nerve there? :)

        • Rick

          Jealous of all the bball games you attended

  • Bret The Hitman

    Yankees beat out several teams for Miller – gives me hope for Lester and Upton – approx 8 and 12 suitors respectively. Yankees also showed aggression with the series of trade proposals for a SS and then persisted after D-backs rejected them, getting the Tigers involved. There’s a good fight in the front office so far imo

    • Rick

      Gonna be great when the Yankees trade Didi for Upton and Simmons straight up.

    • chris hines

      I still think they are staying out of the big money pitching market, trading for a cheap SS doesn’t change that view much for me. Also trading for Upton pretty much makes Arod a full time 3B or bench player and I’m not sure anyone in the FO is looking to do that right now.

  • captainmike

    here is what an Arizona writer says about the trade:

    http://insidethezona.com/2014/12/d-backs-100-cents-dollar-didi-gregorius/

  • Dos Luises

    I’m happy. Seems they traded high on Greene. Not to say he isn’t legit, or won’t have higher trade value in the future, just that his value is high right now, so turning him into a legit starting SS is pretty nice. A FA pitcher will fill his vacancy.
    Oh, and I liked the Phil Hughesy joke.

    • LazerTown

      Depends. His bat is somewhat questionable.

  • BillyBall

    I really will miss Greene, I have high expectations but we needed a short stop and this kid has good character, good defense, and is young still developing. We are getting younger and our pen is stronger today. Now get a starter and sign both Moncada’s. Farm stronger and we rebuild as we reload and compete!

  • JacobyWanKenobi

    I really, really hope that Sterling’s call is “DIDI! GET OUT OF MY LABORATORY!”

  • Pete22

    OK, Didi’s offensive numbers are not great, and he is awful against LHP,ers,
    but he hits a lot of FB to his pull side so may get some HR at the
    stadium. I can seem him platooning with Brendan Ryan at times.
    Basically a younger Stephen Drew