Poll: The Biggest Loss of the Offseason

Poll: The Most Important Addition of the Offseason
A-Rod reports to camp early, circus ensues, nothing really happens
Prado and some Gatorade. (Jim McIsaac/Getty)
Prado and some Gatorade. (Jim McIsaac/Getty)

Earlier today we discussed the Yankees’ most important pickup of the offseason. Now it’s time to look at the other end of the spectrum and discuss their biggest loss of the winter. “Loss” is kind of a weird term here because sometimes teams willingly let a player get away, either by trading them or by simply declining to pursue them as a free agent. Other times it’s a true loss. They wanted him to keep him but couldn’t.

As with offseason additions, some offseason losses are bigger than others. Shawn Kelley (traded to the Padres) and Ichiro Suzuki (left as a free agent) saw a lot of playing time with New York the last two years but they aren’t major offseason losses, right? Both have already been replaced by younger if not better players (David Carpenter and Chris Young). Not counting Kelley and Suzuki, the Yankees lost six players this winter who they could end up missing quite a bit, not just in 2015, but beyond as well. Let’s run ’em down.

C Frankie Cervelli

Cervelli’s time in pinstripes was quite a ride. He developed a lot of die-hard defenders who believe he could be a starting catcher for like half the teams in the league, but, in reality, we never saw anything more than flashes of his ability between injuries. Cervelli, who turns 29 next week, has two years of team control remaining and was traded to the Pirates straight up for southpaw Justin Wilson this winter. John Ryan Murphy figures to step in to replace Cervelli as Brian McCann‘s backup catcher this year.

RHP Shane Greene

Greene, 26, was a very nice surprise for the Yankees last year. He came up from the farm system as a drafted and developed player, and gave the team 78.2 innings of 3.78 ERA (3.73 FIP) ball. Greene’s stuff is very lively and it appears he overcame his career-long control problems with some mechanical tweaks in 2013. Without those tweaks, he’s probably not a big league starter. At least not one who impresses everyone as much as he did last year. Greene came up for good last July and has all six years of team control remaining. He was traded for Didi Gregorius over the winter.

RHP Hiroki Kuroda

Kuroda's back with the Carp. (Getty)
Kuroda’s back with the Carp. (Getty)

I’m guessing that if the 40-year-old Kuroda was willing to pitch for the Yankees another year, the team would have brought him back with open arms. Hiroki’s game slipped a bit last year (3.70 ERA and 3.60 FIP) but he’s an innings eater and the kind of reliable arm the Yankees lack right now. Of course, he opted to return to the Hiroshima Carp for the final season of his career — and took a massive pay cut to make it happen — so the Yankees didn’t even have a chance to bring him back. The rotation sure would look much more sturdier with Kuroda, wouldn’t it?

RHP David Phelps

The Yankees and Marlins reversed roles this winter. Usually the Marlins are the team trading away a player just as he starts to get expensive through arbitration. Instead, the Yankees traded Phelps to the Marlins just as he hits his arbitration years. Phelps, 28, spent three years as a nice swingman with New York (4.21 ERA and 4.20 FIP) and, frankly, the team could still use him for rotation depth. Instead, they used him to get Nathan Eovaldi and Garrett Jones. Phelps is under team control as an arbitration-eligible player through 2017.

UTIL Martin Prado

Prado was the other piece — the main piece, really — that went to Miami in the Eovaldi trade. Before the trade, the 31-year-old Prado was slated to serve as the team’s starting second baseman and was basically their best right-handed hitter. He had a 146 wRC+ in 37 games with the Yankees last year thanks to real nice four-week stretch before going down with an emergency appendectomy, though over the last two years he had a 103 wRC+. That’s the real Prado, not the guy we briefly saw in pinstripes last year. Either way, the Yankees could use his right-handed bat and versatility, as could just about every team. Prado has two years and $22M left on his contract.

RHP David Robertson

At some point early in the offseason the Yankees decided to let Robertson walk as a free agent and replace him with the cheaper and comparable Andrew Miller while also gaining a supplemental first round draft pick in the process. It’s a sound baseball move, albeit one that seems to be unpopular because the team let a homegrown Yankee walk and replaced him with an ex-Red Sox crony. Robertson, 29, has been an elite reliever for four years running even though his FIP has gradually climbed from 1.84 in 2011 to 2.49 in 2012 to 2.61 in 2013 to 2.68 in 2014. Robertson took a four-year, $46M deal from the White Sox, and really, is it hard to envision a scenario in which the Yankees wish they could trade Miller and that draft pick for Robertson at some point in the next four years?

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As a reminder, this poll is trying to balance the loss of each player in the short and long-term. Kuroda would only be a one-year addition but he would be a really important one-year piece. Other veterans like Robertson and Prado are more likely to decline going forward rather than improve or even just maintain their current level of performance. Greene and Phelps are still young enough that their best years may be ahead of them, however. Time to poll.

Who was NYY's biggest loss of the offseason?

Poll: The Most Important Addition of the Offseason
A-Rod reports to camp early, circus ensues, nothing really happens
  • The Original Drew

    Unlike the last poll this answer I am not so sure of. I picked Prado because I think with the aging roster the Yankees having his flexibility to play almost anywhere when someone goes down would have been a big boost for the club. Has he been completed overrated by Yankee fans since the trade? Sure, but I think he is the only guy on the list where his projected production wasn’t exactly replaced.

  • The Original Drew

    Unlike the last poll this answer I am not so sure of. I picked Prado because I think with the aging roster the Yankees having his flexibility to play almost anywhere when someone goes down would have been a big boost for the club. Has he been completed overrated by Yankee fans since the trade? Sure, but I think he is the only guy on the list where his projected production wasn’t exactly replaced.

  • blake

    Write in vote: Moncada . Opportunity loss could be more than all these guys put together.

    But I’ll go Prado …..think he would have helped a lot

  • Bigdan

    The will/means to spend.

  • Bigdan

    The will/means to spend.

  • Robert

    Vote in Mocada

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      I wonder if there’s a direct correlation between complaining about him and not knowing how to spell his name.

      • Moncada’s Codpiece

        His description is “bussiness.”

        • Scott

          Holy shit, you are right, that is funny. I wonder what “bussiness” is employing him.
          I have a guess:
          “You want fries with that sir? That will be $7.59. Please drive around”

      • Sir Didi Odell Nakamura Jr

        All I know and care is that he’s Cuban and he’s got two big bats.

  • Robert

    Vote in Mocada

  • Chip

    I don’t know that there has been a major loss this season.

    Of the group above I guess you would have to go with Prado but seeing as how the guy you got back for him is currently winning as the most important offseason acquisition I guess that makes sense – you have to give to get.

    • Moncada’s Codpiece

      Well, Cervelli has certainly led to as many renounced fandoms as fill Yankee Stadium, so…there’s that.

  • Rick

    Over/under on “You forgot Moncada” is at 65.5. I’ll take the over.

  • Rick

    Over/under on “You forgot Moncada” is at 65.5. I’ll take the over.

    • Moncada’s Codpiece

      Over, definitely.

    • Moncada’s Codpiece

      Over, definitely.

    • Sir Didi Odell Nakamura Jr

      Way too low a starting point.

    • Scott

      So far over.

  • Rick

    Over/under on “You forgot Moncada” is at 65.5. I’ll take the over.

  • blake

    If they have pitching injuries then they will certainly miss kuroda the most

  • Austinmac

    Kuroda and his 200 innings of quality pitching is a big loss. Who replaces him? Or does that guy replace McCarthy? Or Greene?

    • http://riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Argh I forgot McCarthy.

  • Aaron Juez

    I voted for Prado. Offense is hard to come by and his above average bat would have been nice to have. Although he’s not as good as last year’s cameo, I do believe he’ll be somewhere in the 105 to 110 OPS+ range. Which like I said before, is damn nice to have nowadays.

  • Leftballer

    Other.

  • Hank

    Shouldn’t Jeter be on this list?

    • blake

      Well I’m sure he is in spirit but Jete wasn’t very good last year…..he’s my fav player ever but they are upgrading SS almost by default with him retiring

      • Aaron Juez

        Yep. In terms of on field production “losing” last year’s version of Jeter is a good thing.

    • http://riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      He wasn’t coming back.

      • Moncada’s Codpiece

        Jeter kept bugging me for an extension in OOTP 15. I finally had to force retire him in the offseason. It was sad.

    • http://riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      He wasn’t coming back.

  • Hank

    Shouldn’t Jeter be on this list?

  • Moncada’s Codpiece

    Another tough one. Prado for the fielding and the bat, meaning it’d have to be down to Drew or someone like Refsnyder, even though he brought back an important piece in Eovaldi (the most important addition, in my view, in the last post). The other would be Kuroda, but, seeing as how he was destined to be gone sooner or later, at age 40, I’d go for Prado in this poll.

  • Scranton Caddy Shacks 15

    I’d say Kuroda. Impact player lost for nothing. Prado might have a similar impact and Greene might have a lot more value, but both were moved for what the Yankees considered equal or greater value. Same with Cervelli. As much as I love DRob, they’d have been roughly at least as likely to regret re-signing him as they are to miss him as a high prices RP getting older with a sandwich pick attached.

    I don’t know if he actually belongs, but surprised ManBan wasn’t included.

    • blake

      I said prado below but if they have injuries in the rotation it’ll be Kuroda…..

      • Scranton Caddy Shacks 15

        I just have a hard time saying the biggest loss is someone they got “fair” (according to the Yankees) compensation for. Anything Eovaldi, Jones, and German contribute takes away from whatever they lost in Prado (+ Phelps). (Granted, Eovaldi and Jones could stink and German is a bit of a long-shot.)

        I suppose whatever Capuano contributes takes away from the Kuroda loss (somehow taking into account the chances Capuano gets beat out). Even as about the biggest Capuano supporter on here, I still see a pretty huge gap there… So, I don’t think they need to have have injuries for Kuroda to be the biggest loss.

  • Scranton Caddy Shacks 15

    I’d say Kuroda. Impact player lost for nothing. Prado might have a similar impact and Greene might have a lot more value, but both were moved for what the Yankees considered equal or greater value. Same with Cervelli. As much as I love DRob, they’d have been roughly at least as likely to regret re-signing him as they are to miss him as a high prices RP getting older with a sandwich pick attached.

    I don’t know if he actually belongs, but surprised ManBan wasn’t included.

  • b-rar

    stephen drew

  • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

    Pants Lendleton

  • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

    Pants Lendleton

  • bernbabybern

    Moncada

  • Jorge Steinbrenner

    I can’t wait until the delete hammer comes down on every mention of youknowwho.

    I voted Kuroda. Really wish this team had another anchor in that rotation. Hope they find one with what they’ve got.

    • Danny Aiello Jr.

      Need the banhammer instead. Kuroda was just so reliable to eat innings (if nothing more) something this team could use. Farewell HIROK

  • BD11

    Their biggest loss this offseason will be the fans (those same fans that collectively have less than a ‘5’ vote of confidence in the team’s future) because of lack of faith in the team’s direction.

  • Grant

    I don’t think Prado’s bat will be that missed if he regresses. Greene is under team control for years and looks solid. I guess Greene can regress too. I’m still shocked that the Red Sox got Moncada. Sheesh!

  • Mandy Stankiewicz

    Kuroda may have been running out of gas late the last 2 years, but I think he’s the biggest loss out of these guys.

    • Scott

      That’s who I voted for. I actually think he was in Cashman’s plans for this season, so it hurt in more ways than one as Cash probably had Hirok in mind when making trades.

  • Alex Reddardriguez

    It’s gotta be BGDP with Frankie a close 2nd, Greene 3rd. Phelps was Girardi’s rock both in the pen and the rotation. When we needed a spot starter he was there, needed a long man he was there. Now we don’t have that. Frankie was our only .300 hitter last season and they traded him away. Greene has a bright future as well.

    All these kids under 30 traded away to make room for Capuano and Drew. Couldn’t even cash in on Moncada to compensate for the losses. Kuroda was another rock, McCarthy was solid, Prado was our most versatile player. You just don’t come back from losing these guys.

    • Moncada’s Codpiece

      I love you, Eddard.

    • Grant

      I don’t think Phelps can be considered a starter. Greene is a solid starter. I loved Cervelli but he just couldn’t stay healthy.

    • Mandy Stankiewicz

      Is Dad high on Captain EO? He’s young!

  • Pkyankfan69

    Moncada > Prado > McCarthy > Kuroda > Greene > Drob > Phelps > Cisco Kid

  • blake

    Solarte

    • Wave Your Hat

      That’s Bigdan’s line.

  • Wave Your Hat

    In terms of value the biggest loss was probably DRob, but in terms of value lost and not replaced I’d say Prado.

  • Jorge Steinbrenner

    Wait! I know the biggest loss of the offseason.

    Wayne.

    • Moncada’s Codpiece

      All the Brady Lail and Simon de la Rosa trade proposals.

    • Mandy Stankiewicz

      Sizemore!

  • Sir Didi Odell Nakamura Jr

    ummm, well… is Yoan Moncada an option? I mean, he left a void in my heart and that’s a pretty big loss…

    Realistically, Kuroda or Greene. Robertson was replaced perfectly so I don’t think he’s a big loss playing wise, obviously sucks morale wise. (Fan favorite)

    • Jorge Steinbrenner
      • bernbabybern
        • Scott

          Those dudes had a great diet. The cocaine diet.

          • pfoj

            I learned once that if you start googling “iggy pop” one of the recommendations is “iggy pop diet”.

            Do NOT go on the Iggy Pop diet, people.

            • Scott

              LOL

    • blake

      Between him and banuelos there is a void that can only be filled by ……nothing

  • Pkyankfan69

    Strictly in terms of fist pumps Cervelli is #1

  • Dude

    What the Fuck!!!!!!!!! Cherington just humiliated the Yankees. This is absurd for 5 million dollars!

    • Danny Aiello Jr.

      Calm down killer, also it is more like 14 million without the re-raise from the Sox before the flop.

      • blake

        He’s crazy but not wrong this time

        • Danny Aiello Jr.

          Well, technically money-wise he is wrong. Also I’m reserving judgment on “humiliated” until he plays a meaningful game for them.

          • blake

            Id choose different words of course but the theme is correct

    • cashmoney

      Passing the dude a joint.

      • Mandy Stankiewicz

        …dude abides.

    • Havok9120

      sigh

    • mike carter

      fuck red sucks

  • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

    Sadly I think the biggest loss for the 2015 Yankees is the loss of the 162 game ban of ARod……

  • cashmoney

    kuroda.

  • Havok9120

    Kuroda, at least until McCarthy is edited in.

    Then probably still Kuroda, but I could be talked out of it.

    • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

      Yeah I’m with you – if McCarthy was guaranteed to be healthy and pitch exactly like he did the 2nd half last year – then for sure him. Otherwise probably Kuroda

  • Bigdan

    Gotta give Kay some props. He’s almost telling it like it is.

    • Austinmac

      What’s he saying?

      • Bigdan

        It’s a brave new world under Hal.

        Now you and I and some others have known this for awhile. We didn’t need the Sox beating the Yanks over Moncada to see that. But I def consider this take progress for Kay. Hopefully the rest of the media catches on.

        • Austinmac

          I hope Hal gets blasted.

          • Bigdan

            He’s gotten way too much of a pass from the media claiming every year he puts a championship team on the field while at the same time he’s signing guys like Ichiro to make 189, reducing the budget for over a decade in real terms and now getting outbid for the best Cuban prospect after passing on all the others.

            Come on Axisa, Come on World–Tell it like it is.

            • Austinmac

              They passed on Chapman, Darvish, Cespedes, Puig, Soler, Abreu, Castillo and now Moncada. They were all too expensive. Yet, all who have come up have outperformed their cost. Castillo and Soler will start this year likely doing the same.

              At the same time, the Yankees have declined on the field. It is not a coincidence. They won for years because they would spend as needed. Now, they readily admit cost prevents those efforts.

              • Bigdan

                Uhmm. Yep, that’s about it.

              • Wave Your Hat

                To be fair, they won the Tanaka auction. On the whole though I think we are just going to have to wait out the ARod, CC and Tex contracts.

  • I am Brett Godner

    I have Did as the top acquisition and Greene as the top loss. All in the same move. The funny thing is I rememeber being a lot more agitated by the Prado deal at the time.

  • Bubba

    Went with Greene. If he’s turned the corner control-wise and Didi turns out to be all glove no bat, then it’ll sting a bit. If not then kudos on selling high. The others will be missed to varying degrees but I think the Yankees added adequate replacements.

  • Dude

    What a disgrace this is worse than 2004. The Yankees are a joke. Im nauseous Rome has fallen.

    • Moncada’s Codpiece

      Shut up, BGT. All versions.

      • Dude

        Hal is standing out front mowing the lawn the franchise is burning to the ground.

        • bernbabybern

          I’m sure he has a below minimum wage immigrant for that.

          • vin

            Definitely not a Cuban though.

            • Sir Didi Odell Nakamura Jr

              Hal would never pay an extra 36 cents for a Cuban instead of a Mexican to mow his lawn.

      • Sir Didi Odell Nakamura Jr

        I’ve lost count, there’s around 36 BGT alternate accounts, then there are like 15 random BGT clones. It’s madness.

        • Moncada’s Codpiece

          Yeoman’s work if you’re keeping score.

  • Bret The Hitman

    Kevin Long. Not. Even. Close.

    • Danny Aiello Jr.

      Upvote because you edited it to Drive.The.Point.Home.

      • Bret The Hitman

        I had to do that to show everyone how I sympathize with them. This is a tough loss and we all need to band together as fans.

    • Scott

      But we did get grampa Pentland. That’s a win right there. He is going to magically pull quarters from behind the ears of the players if they get a good hit.
      And he has ribbon candy (from 7 years ago, it still tastes good though).

  • RhapsodyInBlue

    Hal’s nuts have to be the biggest loss.

    • Rick

      Hilarious.

  • gageagainstthemachine

    I voted Kuroda. Reliable. Innings eater. Class act.

    Even in a decline, he was an honorable and reliable part of the rotation that kept the Yankees lineup enough into the game almost every time out to give them a shot if they found some offense. He just didn’t get the run support he deserved the last two years in particular. Plus, he said MLB was a tough transition he never 100% got comfortable with making, but you would’ve never known that when he was on the mound. He was a workhorse and competitor on the mound. I wish he had been a Yankee in his prime. He took to playing in NYC and pinstripes very well. Happy for him that he gets to hang it up after a year in Japan. A good way to close it all out for him and his family.

    I know some of the other guys probably had bigger upside with youth or greater impact with the bat in a sparse offense. But I think Kuroda, even a year older, would’ve been a huge plus for what could be a fantastic rotation if healthy, and an absolute must for when it isn’t. Let’s just hope they didn’t need him when the season’s all said and done.

  • ChicagoYankee

    Biggest loss of the offseason? Hands down – not going the extra mile to sign Yoan Moncada.

  • Bigdan

    Go read some of these Arod quotes. What a day!

  • cashmoney

    Pollsgalore.

  • pfoj

    In reality, Kuroda.
    In my heart, Cervelli.

  • Bigdan

    Why can’t CC just say, “I’m just trying to MAKE the team.” For that matter, Drew should be saying that too.

    • http://riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Who cares what they say. It’s very rarely anything interesting.

      • Bigdan

        You’re right. That’s what the Cashman should be saying about them. Good for the goose, good for the gander.

      • Sir Didi Odell Nakamura Jr

        Because Bigdan

    • Mayan Brickann

      Why should they?

      • Bigdan

        Because like Arod, they have done nothing to justify a starting position on this team. In fact, it’s the opposite. If Arod has to earn a role, which is a good thing, so should they.

  • Slu

    I think it is easily Robertson. Even though the bullpen is still strong, he has proven to be lights out in NY.

    I also think any who voted for Greene based on currently available information is crazy.

  • jjyank

    Having trouble deciding between Robertson and Kuroda. I guess Kuroda, if only because the Yanks have a pretty solid bullpen even without Robertson. The rotation has more question marks.

  • Dalek Jeter

    I think it’s Kuroda or Prado, leaning towards Kuroda. Greene was essentially replaced by Eovaldi, Cervelli by SKJRM, Robertson by Miller, Phelps by any one of the “meh” guys signed (Capuano, Baker, etc). Prado was basically replaced by Drew/Jones, which is a step back IMO, and Kuroda not really at all.

  • Centaur Hips

    Tough one. I’d say Kuroda or McCarthy in 2015. Greene or McCarthy long term. Losing prado hurts as well especially if we get poor production from 2nd and have injuries. The pen is stacked right now so it doesn’t really hurt but Drob can be a good for the next 4 years.

  • Mayan Brickann

    Way I look at it, Eovaldi replaces Kuroda, Miller replaces Robertson and Murphy replaces Cervelli. Not much ground lost there, and perhaps a little gained. Greene being replaced by Capuano/recovering Nova? Not a significant loss, especially if Nova is back sooner than expected. Prado? You miss his versatility and his replacement has to be viewed, at least initially, as Drew. That’s not great news. Won’t miss Phelps at all, and see Jeter is absent from the list. Can’t ignore the upgrade at SS.

    • Mayan Brickann

      So my answer is Prado.

  • just_add_bacon7

    “I spent $36M on Andrew Miller, so that’s my biggest loss of the offseason.” – Hal

    • Shame Greene

      I’m telling you guys, Miller is going to be completely wasted by Girardi unless his hand is forced otherwise….

    • Sir Didi Odell Nakamura Jr

      have to admit, made me laugh

  • Shame Greene

    For me this was between Robertson and Prado because Prado is a guy you pencil in your INF every day and Robertson would have helped shorten up the game considerably (if he were actually used properly, but that’s another argument).

    I’m gonna miss Kuroda and wish we had a reliable innings eater, but I think he was getting further away from being a guy you could depend on for 150-200 innings.

  • mike carter

    how much did the yankees get outbidden by the red sucks

  • TB

    biggest loss was not signing moncada and rightfully so cashman and hal being ripped all over the sportsworld for it

    • Sir Didi Odell Nakamura Jr

      For the last time TB, it wasn’t Cashman. He told Hal to go and get him and Hal said no.

      • TB

        Wrong he gave hal an evaluation of 20 to 25 mill and hal followed it

        • Rick

          Wrong. “Yankees GM Brian Cashman badly wanted to sign Moncada, tweets Wallace Matthews of ESPN New York, but he couldn’t convince owner Hal Steinbrenner to spend any more than the reported $27MM figure.”

          • TB

            LMAO not what cashman said so I could care less what Wallace Matthews wrote – cashman was on the kay show – said he didn’t feel he was worth the money

            • nylsjd

              Always take the first quote, because that’s where the raw emotion is. Ownership probably sent him an email advising him not to throw them under the bus. His back tracking is called good PR training.

              • TB

                Wrong because Cashman has many times stated when he has disagreed with hal on a free agent

                • nylsjd

                  And he already stated it early on with the initial reports.

                  • TB

                    No he didn’t state it – one reporter speculated it – his statements were clear

              • TB

                He flat out stated that he didn’t see Moncada as being worth that much money – even stated he already felt he had offered him to much but said he believed he was talented but not at that price

          • TB

            FLAT OUT STATED ON THE SHOW – HE DIDNT SEE MONCADA AS WORTH THAT MONEY

            • nylsjd

              And even if that’s true, which is 100% likely not, then that’s his evaluation. No prospect has ever been paid what Moncada just got. It’s ok to not want to be the team to be the first to do it. He has about a 3% chance of becoming a superstar based on past history.

        • Sir Didi Odell Nakamura Jr

          Said who?

  • mike carter

    why didnt the yankees just spend the money on moncada danm this sucks

  • mike carter

    danm it

  • mike carter

    i thought the yankees were going all in they worked him out 3 times and ownership was involved what happened

    • Scott

      wrong thread

  • Let’s Go Yanks

    Moncada unfortunately. Missed opportunity.

    Yanks however spent 54 million on Miller

    7.5 million on Drew

    7.5 million on Capuano

    7.5 million on Garrett Jones

  • OldYanksFan

    This is hard to do because I don’t know if we’re doing loss in a vacuum, or ‘Net’ loss. For example, overall, losing 4 years of Robertson IMHO, is the biggest loss… if you don’t take into account he was replaced by Miller and a few mil a year. Robertson’s ‘Net’ loss will probably be pretty small.

    I think a better poll would be:
    How many/which positions were upgraded… and by how much?
    How many/which positions were downgraded… and by how much?
    That’s the bottom line.
    I mean, losing Ellsbury would be our greatest loss…
    unless he were traded for Trout…
    in which case it would have been our biggest GAIN.
    You can’t really lost at ‘Loss’ in a vacuum.

  • Let’s Go Yanks

    Focus on A-Rod today takes Hal and his inner-command off the hook yet again.

    • Havok9120

      It’s not so much letting him off the hook as it is that the vast majority of casual baseball fans don’t know squat about Moncada, so the media can only talk about him so much.

  • Rick

    For those of you writing in that Moncada was the biggest miss, here’s a nice article for you: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/whats-become-of-prospects-kind-of-like-yoan-moncada/. Position player prospects who have been ranked in the Top 20 by Baseball America before turning 20 have averaged 16 WAR by the time of their age 28 season. Nearly 50% of them have busted entirely. The two best in the sample? A-Rod and Miggy … oh and they were in the majors by Moncada’s age.
    This is all to say, that he may end up being a miss, but it’s more than likely he doesn’t end up as a miss at all. However, may certainly miss Hirok this year – he was so underappreciated by so many Yankees fans. Took the ball every 5th day, pitched to the best of his ability, and most of the time gave you a damn fine start.

    • TB

      Rick most prospects bust – more fail than don’t – that’s always been how it is – that’s not the point – its about the risk and if its worth it – the risk was easily worth it here – no loss of picks – no 40 man commitment – no money on the payroll tax – its like getting a high draft pick

      • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

        real easy to see zero risk in spending $63 million when it isn’t your $63 million.

        • TB

          really easy to see a lame response when when people use that excuse for the richest franchise in sports lol

          • UnKnown

            Fucking beyond lame.

          • http://batman-news.com nyyankfan7

            It’s still $63 million.

            That’s 30% of the Yankees 2015 payroll – owed right now.

            That’s more money than Kershaw and Cabrera will make in 2015.

            That’s more money than the entire Houston Astros payroll for the year.

            All for a kid whose odds are greater to be a bust then ever be worth half of that contract. And who will not contribute one dollar of value until at least 2017. Yeah, those dumb rich guys just don’t understand how to best spend their own money.

          • Scranton Caddy Shacks 15

            Regardless of how you feel about Moncada or the Yankees finances, you cannot pretend there isn’t a ton of risk inherent in a $60+ million dollar investment. The opportunity cost is quite high, as you can sign a Chase Headley for probably half that amount when you consider time value of money.

            It’s fine to be upset or critical that they missed Mincada, but let’s be rational about it and not ignorantly call out other fans who make valid points.

    • Mandy Stankiewicz

      Yes to all this, but at the end of the day, if they were originally willing to gamble 89% of that money, they should have just ponied up the rest of the non-luxury tax/cap loot, and carted a top prospect away, a prospect talent that they could never touch in the draft. He could certainly bust, and serevino could blow out his elbow tomorrow, and Judge could get hit by a bus. This international spending period was a wide open/penatly-free opportunity to get anyone/everyone who our scouts valued. This was a train leaving the station, a last chance to dance with whatever this FO wanted to spend. We’re out next year and the following year, after the new CBA, this could all become an international draft. Moncada could be the biggest bust of the century. He also might not. That’s prospects. one last opportunity to bet the house. I’d do it.

  • mike carter

    i hate the red sucks

    • Rick

      What sport do they play?

      • mike carter

        baseball

  • YankeeB

    Biggest loss of the offseason to me would be Kuroda. The Yanks have reasonable replacements for almost everyone else, but Kuroda gave them 200 solid innings and would provide insurance for a year until Severino is hopefully ready and Nova is fully recovered and has overcome the typical post surgery issues with pitch command and control. Right now the rotation, while unquestionably talented, is an absolute crapshoot.

    Biggest gain would seem to be Gregorius. The defense on the left side of the infield improves radically and Sir DIdi apears to have some upside offensively. As long as the world isn’t expecting Derek Jeter circa 1999, he should provide good value and will help the club improve.

    • TB

      The two things the Yankees have are good defense and what appears to be a high end bullpen – everything else is nothing but question marks

    • TB

      The two things the Yankees have are good defense and what appears to be a high end bullpen – everything else is nothing but question marks

    • cashmoney

      My cat would have been a marginal gain over jeter, how shall I put it, jeter was garbage Ly. But in terms of net talent gained this os it remains to be seen. Oh btw, I don’t have a cat.

  • mattpat11

    I think the dropoff from Kuroda to Capuano is going to be the most significant

  • JGNYC

    I voted Kuroda simply because they got nothing in return for that loss. Everyone else something was gained. Whether it was through a trade or the draft pick for Robertson, the only lost player who we got nothing for was Kuroda. Therefore, he’s the biggest loss to me.

  • Captain Clutch

    @ESPNNYYankees
    A source tells me Hal S. was NOT the reason Yankees failed to sign Moncada. Others in org felt it wasn’t worth it go above $32m

    • Looser Trader FotD™

      egads if it was Levine I’m going to punch someone really fucking hard

      • Looser Trader FotD™

        Hopefully Levine

    • TB

      Clutch cashman was on already and stated he didn’t feel moncada was worth what boston paid – said he had a number and drew a line which most believe was 25 mill and he was never going to sign for below 30 mill – if the Yankees truly wanted him they would have offered another 5 mill and probably got it done

      • Captain Clutch

        Was Cashman on the radio or who did he do an interview with?

        • TB

          Yes was on the kay show earlier

          • Captain Clutch

            Thank you. I will try to find it.

    • TB

      Another report too is the dodgers offered moncada 35 mill but didn’t want him to sign till July 2nd so they could still go crazy on the international market and moncada said no

  • Looser Trader FotD™

    I voted DRob but my write in is Moncada.

  • Captain Clutch

    So who has more pull than Cashman if Hal was on board? Randy Levine? Get rid of him already.

  • Chet Trail

    Moncada is the biggest loss, not for 2015, but for 2017-2025. I still think (and hope) it was Hal’s call. Cashman really thinks that Moncada wasn’t worth the money the Red Sox paid? You can say that about CC’s contract, Tanaka’s contract, Elsberry’s contract, Cano’s Seattle contract, etc. You almost always overpay for the FA you really want and need. Looking at the state of the Yankee minor league system, Moncada was an opportunity to instantly improve the farm system with a prospect that the Yankees rarely have an opportunity to obtain

    • TB

      Chet my point when the Yankees want someone they usually go overboard to sign them and they attack by making an offer more than anyone else would go near to secure the player. That was not done here indicating they didn’t like Moncada that much but want to spin it to the fans they tried but were outbid. Anyone who believes the Yankees were outbid I have a bridge to sell you

      • Chet Trail

        TB,
        That is what scares me.. I could almost accept Hal overruling Cashman and his talent evaluators and putting a limit on what the Yankees bid for Moncada over their protests. But if, as Cashman stated on radio, the Yankees didn’t believe that Moncada was good enough to bid $30M, he had better be right because the Yankees will be facing him 17 times a year possibly starting in a year or two. Somehow the scouts who brought us Cito Culver and Dante Bichette Jr as the first Yankee picks in their respective drafts, do not inspire my confidence. In 2013, they were fortunate to have 3 first round picks. They chose Jagielo with the first, Aaron Judge with the second. If they had only 1 pick that year, do you think they would have been smart enough to pick Judge instead of Jagielo? I doubt it..

  • http://comcast.net/ Johnboy

    Robertson. Cannot understand that Yanks not sign Moncado, he is better at this age than Jeter ever was
    Mark word Dido will be a flop and Moncado will be a superstar. God do the Yanks miss GEORGE!!!!!!!! Too bad the manager can,t set his own lineup, but he is just a PUPPET with Cashman and crew pulling Joey s strings. I see the Yanks in the cellar in 2015.

  • https://twitter.com/KramerIndustry Dr. Martin van Nostrand

    Poor timing for this topic, as it turns out, because I’m sure almost all 176 comments before this are about Moncada, who, in a sense, is really the biggest loss of them all.

  • Evan3457

    Let me be the 174th person to say the biggest loss of the off-season was losing Moncada, and to the Red Sox of all teams.

  • Evan3457

    Let me be the 174th person to say the biggest loss of the off-season was losing Moncada, and to the Red Sox of all teams.