Scouting The Trade Market: Detroit Tigers

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(Gregory Shamus/Getty)
(Gregory Shamus/Getty)

The Tigers are going down in flames. Okay, that may be an exaggeration, but things are not going well in Detroit right night. Last night’s win was their season in a nutshell: they jumped out to an 8-0 lead, then the disappointing starting pitcher and hilaribad bullpen let the other team make it interesting. Before you knew it, the tying run was on deck. The win improved Detroit’s postseason odds to a mere 25.4%, so says FanGraphs.

Depending on who you ask, the Tigers are either going to sell at the deadline or hold off a little longer before making a decision. They are still in the wildcard race, after all. Both Bob Nightengale and Jon Heyman say the Tigers are preparing to sell and put some big names on the trade market, though Jayson Stark hears they won’t commit to anything until after Sunday, when they’ll re-evaluate their situation. So basically no one knows anything, pretty much.

The Tigers are like the Yankees: they’ve never truly going to sell, only retool so they can try to win again next year. They’re the ultimate win-now team, with a window based on Miguel Cabrera’s peak and whatever Justin Verlander, Anibal Sanchez, and Victor Martinez have left in the tank. Detroit is not going to tear the whole thing down and rebuild. Expect them to seek players who can help them win in 2016 in any trade. Let’s run down the players who could possibly help the Yankees.

RHP Shane Greene

The players are listed alphabetically, I swear I’m not trolling. The 26-year-old Greene has been atrocious this season, pitching to a 6.52 ERA (5.03 FIP) in 77.1 innings. That’s after allowing just one earned run in his first three starts and 23 innings. His strikeout (23.5% vs. 14.0%) and ground ball (50.2% vs. 42.7%) rates are way down compared to last season. Greene’s been really bad this year. Shockingly bad. I feel bad for the poor kid bad.

At this point Greene is a reclamation project, and the idea would be getting him back into a familiar environment with the coaches who helped develop him into what he was last year after being drafted as a hard-thrower and not much else. Greene credited minor league pitching coordinator Gil Patterson for helping him more get on line with the plate and improving his walk rate two years ago, which raised his prospect stock and got him to MLB.

Now for some #RealTalk: If Greene was not an ex-Yankee, there would be zero interest in acquiring him. He’d be just another 26-year-old second year guy with a good but not great minor league track record and fairly limited big league success. He’d be Barry Enright circa 2010. But Shane is an ex-Yankee, so we dream. Dream of getting Greene back, waving the organizational magic wand, and watching him go right back to where he was last year. If only it was that easy. Greene has negative 2015 value. That’s the reality of the situation.

What Would It Take?: Trading Didi Gregorius for Greene seems insane now, doesn’t it? I can’t find another instance of a similar young-ish reclamation project guy being traded in recent years, so we’re out of luck there. Maybe a change of scenery deal? My busted Greene for your busted young player? I’m not sure who that would be on the Yankees. Mason Williams? Either way, I find a Greene trade unlikely. I expect the Tigers to try to fix him rather than sell super low.

Kinsler. (Leon Halip/Getty)
Kinsler. (Leon Halip/Getty)

2B Ian Kinsler

The Yankees desperately need a second baseman, preferably a right-handed hitting one to balance out the bottom of the lineup, so Kinsler is a natural fit. He’s having a fairly typical Ian Kinsler year at .284/.346/.403 (109 wRC+), with a decent amount of walks (8.3%) and few strikeouts (13.5%), two traits that are fairly common up and down the New York lineup. Kinsler has also consistently rated as a strong second base defender and base-runner, so hooray for well-roundedness.

Kinsler does come with some red flags, of course. For starters, he turned 33 last month, so he’s not young. He’s right at the age where a lot of second baseman seem to fall off the cliff. That’s part of the reason the Yankees shied away from re-signing Robinson Cano, the dreaded second base aging curve. Also, Kinsler is owed approximately $38M through 2017, assuming his $12M option for 2018 is bought out for $5M. He’s no rental. He’s quite expensive, actually.

Age and salary are out of Kinsler’s control. The third red flag is something he can control, at least in theory. His power is way down this year — he’s on pace for only nine home runs after hitting 17 last year and averaging 19 per year from 2006-14, and his .119 ISO is a career-low. As Nolan Meister noted last month, Kinsler came into the season with the intention of hitting the ball the other way more often, but he has gradually started to pull the ball more the last few weeks.

Kinsler has hit four homers with a .230 ISO in his last 22 games after hitting one homer with a .079 ISO in his first 71 games. The loss of power could have to do with a simple change in approach, something Kinsler may have already corrected based on the last few weeks. Pulling the ball has gotten such a negative connotation the last few years because of the shift, but it’s a good thing. That’s how most hitters hit for power. Kinsler is at his best when he isn’t focusing on the opposite field all the time.

The Yankees are looking for rental players, which is their standard trade deadline strategy, and Kinsler doesn’t fit the profile. That’s not a strict policy — they did acquire Martin Prado with two and a half years left on his contract last year, for example — and who knows if they would be willing to be flexible for Kinsler. He fits the team’s playing style and fills a position of obvious need, but he’s not young, he’s not cheap, and he also has a bit of a mouth on him. The Yankees tend to steer clear of players who could become distractions.

What Would It Take?: Is last year’s Prado trade comparable? Prado and Kinsler both had two and half years left on their contracts, they’ve both been 105-ish wRC+ hitters the last few years, and they play solid defense. Prado is two years younger and more versatile, and he is cheaper, but Kinsler had a much greater peak as a former 30/30 guy. One year of Howie Kendrick was traded for a consensus top 50 prospect (Andrew Heaney) this offseason, so I’m sure the Tigers have their eyes set on something better than Peter O’Brien. I know I would.

BRING ME. (Dilip Vishwanat/Getty)
BRING ME. (Dilip Vishwanat/Getty)

LHP David Price

I’m not even sure I need to go into much detail here. Price is inarguably one of the best pitchers in the world — he’s been one of the best for a half-decade now — and is the game’s third best left-hander behind Clayton Kershaw and Chris Sale. This season the 29-year-old has a 2.32 ERA (2.78 FIP) in 132 innings with great strikeout (23.7%), walk (4.8%), and home run (0.68 HR/9) rates. He hasn’t gotten a ton of grounders (39.2%) but that’s never really been his thing.

Price is excellent. He’s been excellent this year, he was excellent last year, and he’s been excellent pretty much since the day he broke into the big leagues. There are zero arguments to be made he is anything short of an ace, a perennial 200+ high-quality innings machine. He makes every rotation better. Should the Tigers decide to put Price on the market, he immediately becomes the best available starter, ahead of Johnny Cueto and Cole Hamels and whoever else.

As for the Yankees, Price is embodiment of everything they look for in a starter. He throws hard (averages 93.9 mph), he misses bats (11.5% whiff rate), he doesn’t walk anyone (again, 4.8%), and he’s tall (6-foot-6). As an added bonus, Price is left-handed, which fits well in Yankee Stadium, and he’s been through the AL East gauntlet with the Rays. He knows the division, knows the ballparks, knows the hitters. It’s a perfect fit. Perrrfect.

Price will be a free agent after the season and he’s going to end up with Max Scherzer money (seven years, $210M), and the Yankees shied away from Scherzer last offseason because they didn’t want to pay big bucks for his decline. That can’t be the focus with Price though. He’s a rental ace. Look at him as that and nothing more. Price is a someone who can actually complete seven innings on occasion (novel idea, I know) and change the balance of power within a division. If the Tigers make him available, the Yankees should be knocking down Detroit’s door.

What Will It Take?: So here’s where it gets interesting. The Yankees say they have “sworn off” trading top prospects for rental players, though I’m guessing Price would make them reconsider that stance. How could he not? I’d be pretty annoyed if the Tigers put Price on the market and Yankees didn’t make a serious push to get him because they don’t want to give up prospects.

Anyway, the Yankees were involved in best comparable rental ace trade: Cliff Lee! They were willing to give up their best prospect (Jesus Montero) and two others (reportedly David Adams and Zach McAllister) for two months of Lee back in 2010. The Rangers beat them out by offering their No. 1 prospect (Justin Smoak, who wasn’t too far behind Montero on Baseball America’s top 100 list), No. 17 prospect (Blake Beavan), and two non-top 30 prospects (Matt Lawson, Josh Lueke). So yeah, you want David Price on the Yankees? It’s gonna hurt.

Update: The key difference between Lee and Price is draft pick compensation. Back in the day the Yankees would have been able to get two draft picks had Lee left as a free agent after the season. They wouldn’t be able to get a pick for Price because of the current system. That matters.

Big Pasta. (Leon Halip/Getty)
Big Pasta. (Leon Halip/Getty)

RHP Alfredo Simon

After a fine start to the season, the 34-year-old Simon now owns a 4.63 ERA (4.02 FIP) in 105 innings this year. He’s never been a big strikeout pitcher (16.9% in 2015), but he has been a ground ball pitcher (career 46.1%), just not this year (41.3%). The walk (8.0%) and homer (0.94 HR/9) numbers are average-ish. Simon is the quintessential back-end guy. He chews up innings with his sinker/splitter combination, but they aren’t great innings.

Simon is a depth arm. Nothing more, nothing less. He has a ton of experience in the bullpen — he worked mostly in relief from 2010-13 before the Reds moved him into the rotation out of necessity last year — and would effectively replace Branden Pinder in the bullpen. Is that a good thing? I dunno. But Simon is someone who could start or relieve, and the Yankees wouldn’t have to worry too much about his workload. They could run his pitch counts up without concern for his long-term future. Harsh? Yeah. But that’s baseball.

(It’s worth noting Simon has had some trouble with the law the last few years, specifically this and this. The Yankees value makeup and good character way too highly for me to think they’ll overlook that.)

What Would It Take?: I’m going to refer back to what I wrote yesterday about Wandy Rodriguez:

Roberto Hernandez, the pitcher formerly known as Fausto Carmona, was traded for two players to be named later last summer. The two players were ranked by Baseball America as the No. 22 (2B Jesmuel Valentin) and No. 29 (RHP Victor Arano) prospects in the Dodgers’ system before the trade, and both were down in rookie ball at the time of the deal. Wandy Simon shouldn’t cost more.

There you go. The Tigers surprisingly gave up a useful young infielder (Eugenio Suarez) and a hard-throwing pitching prospect (Jonathan Crawford) to get Simon in the offseason, but I can’t imagine anyone will give up a comparable package at the trade deadline.

RHP Joakim Soria

Soria. (Leon Halip/Getty)
Soria. (Leon Halip/Getty)

Detroit’s bullpen has been atrocious this season, even worse than usual, and Soria is the team’s best reliever almost by default. He has a 3.08 ERA (4.93 FIP) in 38 innings but has been extraordinarily homer prone (1.89 HR/9). His ground ball rate (44.3%) is okay, it’s just that his stuff isn’t as crisp as it once was, so when he makes a mistake, it gets hammered.

Soria’s strikeout (21.6%) and walk (6.5%) rates aren’t nearly as good as they were during his prime, which was now almost five years ago. Lefties have smacked him around a bit as well (.317 wOBA). Tommy John surgery is rough. Especially when you have two of ’em. Soria is more name value than actual production right now, following the two elbow reconstructions. He’d be an upgrade over the Branden Pinders and Chris Capuanos of the world, but at this point Soria would be the sixth best reliever in New York’s bullpen at best.

What Would It Take?: Rental relievers get traded at the deadline every year. Soria’s not going to command a top prospect like Andrew Miller last year, but he’s probably not going to come for almost free in a salary dump like Jonathan Broxton either. (Soria is owed roughly $3M the rest of the season.) Maybe an organizational top ten prospect (Nick Delmonico) like the Orioles gave up for Francisco Rodriguez two years ago? Maybe. Should the Yankees do that? Nah.

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Like I said before, the Tigers are likely to look for MLB ready players able to help in 2016 in any trade. I doubt they want prospects. I don’t even know if they’re going to sell, but I can’t get my mind off a possible Price plus Kinsler package. The Tigers love hard-throwing pitchers, absolutely love ’em, which makes me wonder if they’d be interested in Nathan Eovaldi. Eovaldi plus Rob Refsnyder (to replace Kinsler) plus, say, Chasen Shreve (to help with their bullpen woes) plus a prospect like Jorge Mateo?

Actually, I’m going to stop right there and your trade proposal sucks myself. I’d do that trade in a heartbeat, which means Tigers GM Dave Dombrowski would say no. That’s a package of “good,” not “great.” Mateo is the potential “great” in that package and he’s three years away from MLB. The Yankees would be getting the two best players in that deal. That’s a package of junk drawer stuff for a rental ace and an above-average second baseman. Not happening. That doesn’t make Price or (to a lesser extent) Kinsler any less of a fit for the Yankees though. Now they just need to the Tigers to sell.

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  • Some Asshole

    “I swear I’m not trolling.”

    Well done.

    Anyway, worth a flyer as MiLB fodder. Could be had with a song now, I’d bet.

    • Havok9120

      Between that line and the final two paragraphs, this is clearly the best of the trade deadline pieces so far.

  • blake

    I can’t believe we trade the great Shane Greene for a SS

  • The Original Drew

    Well guys, we all haven’t been calling him Future Yankee David Price for nothing. Get it done, Cash! I would want to hold onto Judge in almost any package. So Nova Severino Mateo for just Price?

  • blake

    id have a hard time giving up Severino or Judge for 3 months of Price…..yes he’d make them the WS favorite in the AL….but as I keep saying….you have to win it to make the trade worth it.

    How many clubs that have traded top prospects to rent players over the years would look back and say….it was worth it? Now that many…..the odds of winning it all just aren’t high even enough most of the time and you’re left with nothing at the end of the season.

    Again…..if the Yankees are going to pay a big price for a pitcher…..it needs to be for the guy hats controlled for the next 4 Octobers and not just this one

    • The A-Train

      I’m with you. I’m firmly against trading anything of real value for a rental, even for Price.

    • Havok9120

      There exist many organizations that are in a position where even a somewhat deep playoff run could pay tremendous dividends in terms of building up the fanbase.

      Are the Yankees such an organization after a two year playoff drought? I think there’s an argument to be made that they are. I don’t think I would be the one to make it, but it could be done.

  • blake

    Kinsler would be an upgrade if they’ll trade him….I don’t think they will because they will want to contend again next year

  • Dellin Beteddardnces

    Don’t want any of them. Only one I’d want is Price and he’ll cost too much. I don’t even think the Tigers will sell.

    • Monterocouldstillbedinero

      This.

  • calripyankee

    Kinsler’s interesting.. Price would cost too much in prospects (Judge hasn’t played in 5 games,hmmm??).. The others aren’t worth the time..

    • IVoted4Kodos

      I cannot possibly fathom why the Yankees would hold Judge out the lineup for 5 days because a trade has been lined up. Has that ever happened before? I know they pull players as a prelude to a trade sometimes, but 5 days makes no sense to me.

      • calripyankee

        Yanks aren’t saying anything so, who knows?? I hope not..

        • Chip

          Yankees could also be holding him out because he’s hurt. They don’t want to say how badly because of potential trades.

      • Aldukes

        it could be that he’s…. injured? i don’t think they’re holding him out for a trade. That just doesn’t happen.

  • Chip

    To do the trade Mike suggests (getting Kinsler and Price) I think you have to do:
    Eovaldi
    Severino
    Sanchez
    Refsnyder

    All four of those guys could be on Detroit’s 25 man roster by opening day next season with Sanchez behind the plate, Refsnyder at 2b and Eovaldi and Severino in the rotation.

    Would I do it? Probably.

    If the Yankees want to keep Price they will keep Price so I’m not worried about trading that much for a rental.

    • blake

      Just trade for hamels…..save 100 million dollars on the contract you’d give price

      • Tom_hamsandwich

        It’s hard to argue with this logic. I wouldn’t doubt the Phillies hanging on to him for a few more years for no reason.

        • blake

          I think they have to trade him

          • Tom_hamsandwich

            They really do need to trade him, that’s not saying that they will. I figured he would have gotten traded already. It doesn’t help that there are all these Aces/#2’s on the market coming up to the deadline.

          • Y’s Guy

            Yes, they have to trade him. His value goes down if they don’t and they really have no reason to hang on to him. Plus he’s begging them to let him go win somewhere. He’s going, the only question is where.

          • Chip

            I think if they trade Hamels it will be this winter. Andy McPhail just joined the organization, he’s going to want to get to know the scouts and development people who are advising him on whom to ask for in the trade package. And/or, but his guys in place.

      • Chip

        Price > Hamels

        If I have to give up similar packages I would rather give it up for the better player.

        • The Original Drew

          That is true but there is no guarantee that the Yankees are willing to sign Price at the end of the year. There isn’t that great of difference between Hamels & Price. Both are top 15 pitchers in the game.

      • calripyankee

        I’d just trade for Kinsler. Don’t want to give up what it would take to get Hamels (and his decline years) or Price (2 month rental)..

        • Y’s Guy

          Hamels is a year older than Lester and Scherzer and their contracts run 3 and 4 years longer than Hamel’s contract (for alot more money). If you expect your SP to decline severely before age 33, then those two contracts have no chance of being worth it because the declining years would start in year 3, by your estimate.
          And next years crop of top pitchers will be getting similar deals.

          • calripyankee

            Don’t like Lester or Scherzer’s contracts..

            • Y’s Guy

              Neither do I, that’s why I want Hamels.

    • 86w183

      For that tandem I’d offer Detroit their choice of:

      Eovaldi/Nova
      Warren/Mitchell
      Refsnyder/Pirela
      Murphy/Sanchez
      Any minor league OF not named Judge

      • Chip

        That’s basically the same offer except you’re giving them Mitchell instead of Severino…which I don’t think Detroit would do.

    • The Original Drew

      I like Eovaldi too much and would rather put in Nova in that trade situation and agree with Blake and send it for Hamels instead.

  • MTU

    I think many around here would suffer PTSD if the Yankees moved Judge.

    • Monterocouldstillbedinero

      Bad disease to conquer. Monterian in scope.

  • The A-Train

    I think Kinsler is interesting. I’m not so concerned with his power as long as he can maintain his contact. He’d be a huge step up in the 2b department, and even if he declines would be better than anything we could put out there in the meantime (Refsnyder included). And, it’s only two full years after this one. I actually really like that, assuming there is no Judge and hopefully no Severino or Bird involved.

    Maybe they see something in Sanchez (who I’d like to keep too, but you have to trade something), plus some and the Yanks eat the contract. MTPS,

  • https://youtu.be/alYXF7a9N3U Memory Bread

    Oh look someone actually did a thorough scouting report on Jhalan Jackson…

    http://www.minorleagueball.com/2015/7/23/9012683/yankees-prospect-jhalan-jackson-scouting-report
    Sounds like a 7th round steal.

  • blake

    A caller called MLB radio yesterday and proposed Eovaldi, Refsynder , Mateo, and Shreve for Price and kindler…….Stern and Duquette mocked the guy saying it wasn’t close to enough……granted they probably didn’t know who anyone but Eovaldi was……

    • Tom_hamsandwich

      At the same time I don’t think it’s even worth trading Refs, I don’t think other teams see much value there. Bat first prospect forced into 2b with poor def.

      • Greggreen

        youre talking about a 4th starter a 1 way prospect and a middle reliever with a SS that isnt even in high A. thats not the trade to get an ace.

  • blake

    I’d include Severino for price if I got kinsler in the deal too..:…but again I dot see that happening

    • Rick

      I wouldn’t. Something is up with Kinsler and I can’t exactly pinpoint what it is – but the power has gone poof. The strikeouts are also up, and even though his numbers aren’t great, he seems to even be getting lucky on balls in play.

      • blake

        He’s on pace for 4 WAR season…..his OBP is close to .350…..he’s way better than what they have

  • KennyC221

    I want nothing to do with Kinsler, poor attitude, aging quick, sounds like one of the players off a mid 2000s Yankees squad. I think we’d be better off getting Hamels instead of Price and using the prospects for a long term asset because I don’t see the Yanks signing Price after this season.

    • Monterocouldstillbedinero

      This. In a year or two, Refs>>>>Kinsler for 1/30th of the cost or thereabouts.

  • Still Stucky

    http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/60734/trade-idea-aroldis-chapman-to-the-yankees

    “Why add Chapman to a bullpen that is already so strong and includes Justin Wilson and Adam Warren along with the above trio? Two simple reasons. Acquiring an ace pitcher is no guarantee of anything. In fact, according to this study by Jeff Sullivan of FanGraphs [ http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/whats-happened-to-teams-that-traded-for-aces/ ], of the 21 teams to acquire an ace-type
    pitcher since 1995, only two even reached the World Series. Neither of them won it.”

    “The bigger reason is that the dynamics of the postseason have changed, with managers possessing quicker hooks with their starters and relying more and more on their bullpens. Yes, Madison Bumgarner was awesome last season. But even when including Bumgarner’s numbers, however, Giants starters averaged just 5? innings per game in the postseason. The starters other than Bumgarner had a 5.40 ERA and averaged less than five innings per start. The Giants’ bullpen? A 2.11 ERA. Royals starters in the 2014 playoffs? Just 5? innings per outing and a mediocre 4.12 ERA. Royals relievers? A 2.74 ERA.”

    • blake

      Chapman will cost as much or more than Cueto

      • Y’s Guy

        You’re still paying closer prices to upgrade your middle relief. If its only money, then ok, but I’m not giving up prospects for another closer.
        And why is is that SP guarantees nothing but RP does?

        • blake

          Stucky…….

          • Y’s Guy

            gotcha

          • Y’s Guy

            Nobody was advocating that the Yankees go get a closer until the Kimbrel rumor started. There s a reason for that, it doesn’t make sense.
            Now these experts are all in on the idea.
            They’re just trying to justify a bad idea because they think it might happen and they want to sound like they were out in front on it.
            Its still just as bad an idea as it was before the Kimbrel rumors started, imo.

    • KennyC221

      I do agree adding another great reliever would be awesome for a playoff run but I don’t want to pay for Chapman no matter how electric that bullpen would be.

      • blake

        Chapman would cost Severino….anybody want to pay that? Ok moving on then

    • Stan

      I see both sides of the argument… Sure adding an ace doesn’t guarantee anything. But the 21 aces is a misleading stat. I have to imagine that they meant won a world series that year because the diamondbacks added randy johnson via free agency Yankees added Clemens.

      If the Giants DIDN’T have Bumgarner Giant starters pitched 49.9 innings over 11 (4.5 innings per game) games and were wholly ineffective, I attributed this to the fact that the youngest of Peavy Vogelsong and Hudson was Peavy at 34.

      Lester and Lackey carried the load for the Red Sox in 2013, Giant starters (other than Bumgarner) were excellent in the postseason in 2012.

  • Rick

    Didn’t Terry predict that Greene would have close to Cy Young potential in Detroit during his blast parade of Gregorious?

    • Tom_hamsandwich

      The trades that brought Gregorius and Shreve in look better every day. Didi is looking more comfortable and Shreve has been a fireman all year.

      • blake

        Shreve is really really good and he’s controlled a long time…..imagine if Carpenter had actually been was he’s supposed to

    • blake

      Grandedan

    • Sir Didi Nakamura

      “Refsnyder has potential to be a better defender than Didi if he continues to work and improve.” – Terry

      (He said something like that in one of his essays)

      • blake

        You actually read one ?

  • Greggreen

    Betances mitchell sanchez for price. Who says no? Im not even saying i say yes but i think you have to include some BIG pieces to get Price and all the proposals i have been reading are basically 1 good prospect plus filler.

    • Aldukes

      I agree. We’re not getting guys like Price and Hamels if we’re not including someone who’s major league ready and proven, so a Betances, Gardner, Eovaldi etc plus some quality prospect(s) IMO.

      • Greggreen

        well, now you getting alittle crazy lol. Lets not gut the entire team. im not including gardner in basically any deal, the year hes having plus his contract makes him insanely valuable

      • Monterocouldstillbedinero

        No way I do that for a rental..

        • Aldukes

          I’m not saying I would either but why would these teams just give these guys away for unproven prospects? They don’t NEED to trade Price or Hamels. If they don’t love the deal, they simply won’t make it.

          • Y’s Guy

            Paying Hamels $20M to pitch on a team that has no chance of winning makes no sense, especially if he can be traded for prospects plus salary relief. His value declines as time goes on, too.
            Plus Hamels is begging to get out of there.
            They dont NEED to trade Hamels but not doing so makes no sense whatsoever.

      • Y’s Guy

        the Phillies want prospects. They might take a young major leaguer who’s got years of control, but they primarily want prospects and I’d expect whatever package they get has no major leaguers on it or just one the other team might be looking to unload as a throw in.

      • Rick

        Lol, good joke. Why would we offer than package for Price? Are you secretly Ruben Amaro?

        • Aldukes

          I was throwing names out there, that wouldn’t be the package I’d go with. lol come on

        • Aldukes

          I shall change my name to..ALMARO

    • jjyank

      I don’t see how you get Price without giving up Severino and/or Judge. Betances is great, but a reliever, Mitchell is meh, and Sanchez’s star has fallen a bit. Probably a worse package than the one Mike put in the post.

    • Tom

      I don’t think Betances is going anywhere.

  • Dos Luises

    Since you began by Greene trolling us, it’s cool that you YTPS’d yourself in the end. Ha-ha, nice summay of possibilities with Detwah.

  • Y’s Guy

    I think the whole pitchers market is waiting for Hamels to go somewhere to free up everybody to scramble for others. I think Hamels gets traded to the Dodgers on Sunday or Monday and then the market scramble is on.

  • pfoj

    Did I do the math wrong or does Greene really have an ERA over 11 since his first three starts?

  • jjyank

    Price makes me drool, but I dunno if the Yanks have the pieces to match what other teams might offer. Or at least, I don’t know if the Yanks would be willing to match what other teams might offer. Kinsler is very intriguing. I didn’t realize he was such an ass hat, but he’s a good fit. The age is a concern, but I suppose the Yanks could always flip him in the offseason like they did with Prado.

    • Dos Luises

      I don’t think Kinsler’s an easy flip in the off-season.

      • jjyank

        Easy? Maybe not, but I’m sure they could find a taker, provided he doesn’t tank the last few months.

    • Greggreen

      unless he completly falls apart and no team is willing to trade for a 34 year old second baseman signed for another 3 years.

      • jjyank

        He’s having a pretty good year, I’d take that gamble for two months.

  • Dan A.

    David Price would make them World Series favorites.

    I’m definitely in favor of them taking on a bad contract (Kinsler) to upgrade at a cheaper price, especially when he helps fill a position of need. The most obvious places to do this though are trading with Cincy (Phillips) or SD (Gyorko).

    • blake

      Is kindler a bad contract? He’s still pretty good…..maybe he’s overpaid a little but given how much of an upgrade he’d be over what they have is have no problem at all taking him on

      • Dan A.

        If he’s declining (and he is), then yes, it’s a bad deal. He’s maybe worth $12-13m per year. Assuming they decline the option, he’ll get $19m per year for 2 years. And if the declining power is a sign of things to come he could be worth a lot less than that.

        Plus that’s $19m taxed at 50%. So, they’ll effectively be paying more than twice what he’s worth. (Noting, that I hate the luxury tax as an excuse for them not to spend.)

      • MG2015

        I hadn’t even thought about Kinsler but would think he would be a great addition to this team, the guy can still play and has two more years of control, I don’t seem him dropping off a cliff and I think he’s also a real competitor so would be motivated to play at a high level for the rest of his contract.

        • blake

          He’d give them a little time to find a real long term replacement …..id be for it if the tigers would trade him reasonably….I just don’t know if they would. He’s not a great player…..but when you consider what they’d be upgrading from it would be like adding an all star

          • MG2015

            the difference would be substantial and he probably wants a ring really badly, that would be extra motivation plus his background would make him an instant fan favorite in NY

  • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

    .

    Jacoby Ellsbury CF

    Brett Gardner LF

    Alex Rodriguez DH

    Mark Teixeira 1B

    Carlos Beltran RF

    Chase Headley 3B

    Didi Gregorius SS

    John Ryan Murphy C

    Stephen Drew 2B

    RHP Masahiro Tanaka

    • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

      How can you not love those 3 switchers and Alex in the middle of the order?

  • Mandy Stankiewicz

    I’m just glad we’re winning and we’re past this Greene CY talk:

    • Some Asshole

      The flashbacks have caused me to rip apart many a felt cube wall this morning.

  • RetroRob

    No to Simon. Similar to last year, he pitched well first half, has totally collapsed the second half. Would be the worst pitcher on the Yankees staff.

    • Rick

      But what does Simon Say?

  • Reggie C.

    I can’t bring myself to include Aaron Judge in a prospects package proposal for David Price. But I’d just about be ready to include anyone else.
    Severino, Sanchez, Mateo, and Lindgren ….

    • Greggreen

      yeah adding the injured reliever who can barley crack 90 plus a SS in low A isnt moving the needle much IMO

      • Fawn Lopez

        I guess Lindgren sucks now cause he doesn’t throw 95mph.

  • blake

    I like Kinsler but I remain in favor of getting Starling Castro under Arods wing for 2b…..

    Baez is starting to make scouts buzz again and the Cubs want to get Russell at SS…..maybe they won’t move him before the deadline but they will this winter….and he might come cheap for his talent. At 25 id take a chance on what being around Arod, Beltran, and Tex would do for him …..

  • Monterocouldstillbedinero

    Is Mateo SS only? Can he be a Dee Gordonesque 2B man?

    • https://youtu.be/alYXF7a9N3U Memory Bread

      Why not? He’s athletic enough to to play any position up the middle

  • SweetSpot

    If it’s not broken don’t try to fix it Brian Cashman! We’re running away with the division and we’re healthy. You believed in a plan this winter to get younger and you have not dealt your best prospects to date; do not start now. Judge, Bird, Severino are untouchable as far as I am concerned. Go improve the club by making it deeper and more versatile but stay away from superstars that will decimate our minor league pipeline which is looking as good as it has in eons.

    • calripyankee

      I agree!!! Bird is finally raking!! CASHman says he’s the best hitter in the farm system..

    • Dellin Beteddardnces

      If any of this is wrong then I don’t wanna be right. People are so quick to trade the kids for temporary satisfaction. It’s like they haven’t watched what happens the past 2 seasons when you have no farm and have to count on Wells, Hafner and Overbay to be your run producers. This is a magical season but there’s no guarantee these old guys will continue their production next year. We need to keep the top prospects for when the albatrosses come off the books and build a dynasty.

      • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

        And they will. No one thinks Hal is George.

      • Greggreen

        The difference between this year and the last 2 is that Arod, TEX, McCann and most recently beltran have all had best case scenario bounce back seasons(knocks on wood). Our prospects havent dont anything for us to date

        • Y’s Guy

          The RS were sure their stocked farm system was going to create a dynasty and the Phillies thought their young guys were going to come up and replace their aging veterans, too.
          I’m not saying all prospects are junk, they arent. But more of them won’t turn out to be what we hope than will. Making the right call on which are real and which aren’t is the key.
          They once decided that Bernie Williams was going to be better than Roberto Kelly and traded Kelly for O’ Neill. Kelly was good but Bernie was better and Oneill was a steal.

    • Madrugador

      To me it would be a mistake to trade a package of youth for a rental player but no one is untouchable.

      • SweetSpot

        It’s a matter of opinion. Short of a ridiculous one sided deal the players I mentioned should be untouchable.

    • Asher Dratel

      Yeah, I’m not a fan of making a trade like that one Mike posted for Price/Kinsler. I would rather they make incremental moves like last season at this point.

      Not that having price and Kinsler wouldn’t be great, but I don’t know if we really need them to win this year.

      • SweetSpot

        I agree I would not make that deal.

      • Greggreen

        we did get a starting position player and a really good starter last year though.

        • Asher Dratel

          Right, but we didn’t have to smash the piggy bank to get them.

          • Greggreen

            true but really the only reason we are in our current position is because of great bounce back seasons, not our farm system

            • Asher Dratel

              Yeah, and actually re-reading the proposal I realize I’ma ctually being more protective of Mateo and Shreve than Refs and Eo (not that I don’t like those two.) I’m just holding out hope that Cash pulls off another McCarthy-esque deal where it’s all upside.

    • Chip

      It is broken though – just not as broken as the other teams in the AL East.

      • SweetSpot

        I don’t agree – we’re a good team. Every team in baseball has it’s flaws. Hitting, pitching, pen, defense, manager, coaches, we’re in good shape. Of course we could be better.

        • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

          Well balanced.

        • Chip

          a good team yes.

          But even good teams need upgrades.

          There are obvious holes on this roster that could/should be fixed if the Yankees want to make a deep playoff run.

          Pineda is approaching IP levels he hasn’t seen before, CC is a disaster, Tanaka’s elbow is a concern, Nova was inconsistent before the surgery, that’s not going to change.

          • SweetSpot

            Sabathia is not going anywhere. Short of an injury our rotation is set and we have Mitchell as a good backup. Pineda and Tanaka are fine, Nova pitched well last outing. I don’t mind upgrades, I am all for them but one has to consider reality and the 25 and 40 man rosters. And, most importantly, I’m not dealing Judge, Bird and Severino.

            • Chip

              I’m not suggesting dealing Judge, Bird and Severino. But I would deal Judge, Bird or Severino.

              Pineda and Tanaka are fine…now
              Nova pitched well his last outing (the definition of inconsistent isn’t that he can’t be good, just that you don’t know what you’re going to get until after you’ve gotten it)
              If the Yankees made a move for Price they would find a way to put him in the rotation, even if that meant skipping some starts of other guys including Pineda (manage innings) or Sabathia (manage awfulness).

  • Dan A.

    How about Robbie Ray, Ian Krol, and Steve Lombardozzi for David Price?

  • Mike Ehrmantrout

    Refsnyder for Kinsler, get it done Cash! This team ain’t got no place for rookies, they need vets who know how to ‘git r done’!

    • calripyankee

      This is the first I’ve heard of Kinsler being on the market.. Have no idea what DET would expect for him.. He’d definitely be an upgrade at 2B..

      • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

        What’s he hitting? Can he field as well as Drew or Ryan? What’s he make and for how long? I’m too lazy to look…

        • calripyankee

          Just scroll up.. Axisa did a pretty thorough scouting report on Kinsler

          • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

            This is all I saw:

            Also, Kinsler is owed approximately $38M through 2017, assuming his $12M option for 2018 is bought out for $5M. He’s no rental. He’s quite expensive, actually. –

            So bwahahahahahah…….

            • blake

              He’s a good player though

              • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

                It’s not my call. It’s Hal’s and he won’t do it.

        • Rick

          .284/.346/.403 …. http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=6195&position=2B
          Contract: 3 years left on his deal after this year – the last is a club option.

        • Preston

          The fact that you don’t even pretend to read Mike’s content is irksome.

          • Sir Didi Nakamura

            Mick’s too old to read sometimes. His glasses barely help him anymore.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I’d do that one-up. Sure. They wouldn’t. Recurrent theme: Trades we’d make that the other team wouldn’t.

  • blake

    Kinsler has been worth nearly a full 2 wins more than Drew this year ….he’s on pace for around a 4 fWAR season. He’d really really be a help.

  • Eveyln77

    Price cost Drew Smyley and Franklin last year and now you want to pay more for 2 months worth

  • Bertin Lefkovic

    The Tigers got Price for 1.5 years for Austin Jackson and Drew Smyly? Is there more of a market for him now than there was one year ago or does the fact that the Rays got fleeced factor in here? I think that the market is flooded with rental pitchers and not nearly enough teams that are willing to give up the farm for a rental pitcher.

    My standing offer for Cueto, Kazmir, Price, and Shark are Ivan Nova plus two mid-level prospects. I like the idea of getting Ian Kinsler to play 2B and have no problem giving up Refsnyder in a deal for him, but if the deal is for Kinsler and Price, I doubt that I would offer much more than Nova, Refsnyder, and two mid-level prospects, ideally an outfielder like Tyler Austin, Nick Cave, or Mason Williams and a relief pitcher like Burawa, Pinder, or Rumbelow. If the Tigers want to dump Soria’s contract, which would enable us to upgrade on Pinder, I would throw them two more mid-level prospects. Would another RP and an SP like Bryan Mitchell be fair or is that giving up too much?

    How does Mitchell, Nova, Pinder, Refsnyder, Rumbelow, and Williams for Kinsler, Price, and Soria sound? Fair? Not enough? Too much?

    • Sir Didi Nakamura

      You’d think he’d be cheaper cause it’s a half season but the market will decide that instead. I bet he could get a better haul if a team gets desperate.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Considering it’s a team that could contend with a retool rather than a rebuild, the Tigers are probably the best bet for a lower-upside pu pu platter as offer. Would it be the winning bid? Hell no.

      • Bertin Lefkovic

        Most likely, because the Tigers can probably get more aggregate value by trading these three players to three different teams than by including them in a package.

        What do you think that the winning bid for these players would be either individually or as a package?

    • Soronprfbs

      Not enough upside in what we’re sending

  • joeman

    get me Johnny Cueto & B Phillips

    • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

      That does make some sense.
      Ref and Nova or forget it.

      • Sir Didi Nakamura

        Just say you don’t want Cueto instead

        • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

          Is he a loser in your eyes?

    • Preston

      Price and Cueto are similar, but I’d rather have the LHP who’s already AL East proven (for whatever that’s worth).
      Kinsler and Phillips would both be upgrades and are owed similar money for similar years. But Kinsler is much better right now, and also a year younger.
      I’d much rather have the Tigers pair, than the Reds. And I’d be willing to pay more in prospects to get them.

  • joeman

    Yankees start printing playoff tickets yet ?

  • Sir Didi Nakamura

    I don’t wanna give up Shreve ????

    • Robinson Tilapia

      In the right deal? In a cocaine heartbeat.

      Don’t let that winning smile distract you from his fungible relieverness.

  • MG2015

    Let’s look at a David Price trade-the Tigers gave up Drew Smyly, Austin Jackson and an 18 year old prospect for Price last year with a full year left on his contract.

    Smyly has talent but really didn’t accomplish much with the Tigers

    Given that history, why couldn’t the Yankees give up a package like this for Price for the rest of the year:
    Eovaldi or Nova (Smyly equivalent)
    Heathcott or Williams (Jackson equivalent, all the Rays got was Nick Franklin from the Mariners in that deal)
    Lower level Minor Leaguer not named Mateo

    They have Warren or Severino to slot into the rotation for next year or could always sign a FA pitcher on a one year deal.

    • blake

      I think most consider that deal a bad one for the Rays though ….they didn’t get near enough

      • MG2015

        it was a bad deal but Andrew Friedman is a smart guy-how about the Yankees adding a major league reliever to that deal not named Betances or Miller, does that make it a better fit?

    • Sir Didi Nakamura

      Nova & an AAA OF not named Judge is a crazy underpay. Price will likely (I bet that he easily will) have more value than Nova in 1.5 seasons.

      • MG2015

        Price is a FA at the end of this season, if the Tigers aren’t going to sign him how much is he worth for two months?

    • Chip

      Just because Tampa made a bad trade it doesn’t mean Detroit will too.

      • MG2015

        we’ll see what happens, it sounds like we agree it would be a good trade for the Yankees, right? And maybe along the lines of what they would offer.

        • Chip

          It’s a very good trade for the Yankees but Detroit isn’t in the business of helping the Yankees. Like Mike said above, a big trade should make both sides grimace at what they’re giving up.

    • Greggreen

      you really cant compare the deal because everyone thought the tigers get price on the cheap.

    • Preston

      I think what this is missing is that teams don’t all value players the same way. The Rays obviously looked at Smyly and saw a front line starter controlled through 2018. They obviously still valued Nick Franklin as a top prospect.
      And I think that it’s important to point at that Willy Adames is not just any low level prospect. He’s was an 18 year old SS at full season ball last season. He was a consensus top 100 pick this off-season. Right now he’s younger than Mateo, and outhitting him in High A as opposed to Low A. So there is no Lower Level Minor Leaguer not named Mateo that’s comparable.

  • Madrugador

    Mitchell sent down to be stretched out. Burawa started last night. De La Cruz starting today for Trenton-his fourth start in his last five appearances after making only two starts all year. Starting to look like a pattern to me. Could the team be looking internally for starting pitcher depth instead of trading for one?

    • https://youtu.be/alYXF7a9N3U Memory Bread

      Yup.

      Since the beginning of divisional play (1995) there has NEVER been a team that has won a W.S that traded for a “ACE” or ‘front line ‘starter’ in season prior to the trade deadline (June/July).

      • Y’s Guy

        They were looking pretty thin at SP at the ASB. It was basically Caupano or Severino or else pull someone out of the bullpen to start, so I like that they sent Mitchell down.
        It could also be that teams are looking at what the Cards are doing (having guys start in the minors and then join the bullpen in the majors, then go back down and start again) and liking the results.

      • W.B. Mason Williams

        Correlation == causation

        • Preston

          Trading for an ace does not mean that you won’t win the world series. But the fact that no team that has traded for an ace has won it all does mean the inverse isn’t true either. Trading for an ace doesn’t guarantee you anything in the post season.

          • W.B. Mason Williams

            Nothing is guaranteed in the postseason. But this isn’t an argument for not making your team better. Trading for an ace makes the team better, specifically for this year’s Yankees. A better team has a better chance of winning.

    • Chip

      well, I think in the case of Burawa, he has been passed on the depth chart by a lot of other quality RHRP and so before the Yankees make a decision about his place on the 40 at the end of the season they want to see if they can Chase Whitley him.

      It’s one of those deals where he doesn’t fit into the plans as a back-end of the bullpen guy so see if there’s another way he can help the squad.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      One of these things is not like the other.

    • Dos Luises

      Keeping all options open.

  • gageagainstthemachine

    “Cowardly Sir Cashman (The Ultimate #cashmanfailed Shane Greene Remix)”

    Cowardly weak Sir Cashman
    GM’d forth from NYC
    He was looking to trade young pitchers
    Oh, cowardly Sir Cashman
    He was oblivious to their real value
    And traded away inevitable CY contenders in hasty ways
    Coward, coward, coward, coward Sir Cashman

    He was completely scared
    To be trolled into a pulp
    Or to have his name failed out
    And his ability questioned
    To have his GM position shat on
    And his body pitchforked away
    And his job all hacked and mangled
    Cowardly Sir Cashman

    His moves questioned
    And his name yelled out
    And his title removed
    And his cellphone unplugged
    And his office raped
    And his contract burnt off
    And his computer split and his…

    Cowardly Sir Cashman traded all the good young talent away
    (No!)
    Cowardly traded them all away away
    (I didn’t!)
    When trade proposals reared their ugly head
    He cowardly rolled over and played dead
    (No!)
    Yes, cowardly Sir Cashman traded them all about
    (I didn’t!)
    And gallantly he chickened out

    Cowardly taking to his Blackberry
    (I never did!)
    He negotiated a very hasty trade
    (All lies!)
    Cowardly of the coward, Sir Cashman!
    (I never!)

  • Sir Didi Nakamura

    I’d do Nova, Mateo, AAA OF (Not Judge) and maybe Jagielo for Price. MTPS.

    • Sir Didi Nakamura

      Definitely an underpay, maybe I go Severino too.

      • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

        If Severino came up and threw a gem you’d change your mind….

    • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

      And possibly lose Price next year?

    • https://youtu.be/alYXF7a9N3U Memory Bread

      Would rather not pay twice in prospects and contract extension

  • calripyankee

    Saying Hamels’ contract is better than Lester’s or Scherzer’s doesn’t really do much for me.. Nor does saying next year’s Top line FA stating pitchers will get similar contracts.. If other teams want to over-pay for older pitchers. Let them..

    • blake

      You don’t think Cueto, Price, and Greinke are gonna get 150+ million dollar contracts?

      • Asher Dratel

        Greinke especially is gonna get ~paaaiiiddddd~ if he keeps it up.

      • calripyankee

        Yea, they will.. That’s not what I was saying..

        • blake

          The appeal of Hamels is that you’re getting an ace or near ace level pitcher…..on what amount to a 3.5 year contract

      • Robinson Tilapia

        At least two of them may get a contract starting with a nice little number two on the total contract value.

        • blake

          Price will….Cueto might….Greinkes age might keep him from 200 but he could get the highest AAV

  • Some Asshole

    What’s more concerning is why other teams appear to have Major League caliber players. Obviously, Cashman failed.

    • Tom

      Even when the team he’s built is in first place, he failed.

  • Desert Yankee

    Guess I have officially become a prospect hugger. I was okay with Mike’s trade proposal for Price and Kinsler until Jorge Mateo’s name was mentioned-LOL. Elite speed is always there and it doesn’t slump. Through all of the Reds rumors, you don’t hear Billy Hamilton’s name being mentioned. Yeah, I realize he’s young, but still. Anyone have any idea how Mateo’s speed translates against Hamilton’s at this stage.

    • Y’s Guy

      .566 OPS and a 57 OPS+ 55 wRC+ suggest that Hamilton is probably a bench speed guy at best. I dont think he’s on the market but I dont think he’s untouchable in any way.

  • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

    Right now Hal is thinking we really don’t need anyone else, with our minor league depth, to make it to the playoffs. Hell he probably thought the same last year and made minor adjustments that even paid off.

    His mind is set on the playoffs and possible WS this year and things look good.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    My “meh” here isn’t interest in the players mentioned. I just don’t think we line up particularly well on price tag with any of these guys (also, they aren’t trading JD Martinez, which I’m sure was mentioned below.)

    I’d strongly consider the hypothetical Price/Kinsler trade. Dombrowski wouldn’t do it, though.

    Know who we’d line up best with getting here? Shane Greene. BOOM.

    I’m not easy on trade deadline time.

    • blake

      Culver for Shane Greene an overpay?

    • Some Asshole

      But what if the Yankees were to offer Austin Aune? He’s doing better and the Tigers need young players.

      That should do it, right?

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Austin Aune and a can of spackle. Yes.

        • Some Asshole

          I would have overpaid and given up a box of spaetzle.

  • Greggreen

    In an ideal world we get what we need at the deadline without giving up Sanchez, Serverino, Judge, Bird. But we probably dont live in that world

  • Madrugador

    Hamels hasn’t won a game since May 23rd. On June 3rd his ERA was 2.88 and it has risen to 3.91. Yes, his FIP is 3.37 but to me this is a guy that is headed in the wrong direction. (Not that the Phillies are going anywhere either despite winning 5/6 since the ASB. Hamels has a ND in one of those games that the Phils ended up winning 3 innings and 5 earned runs)
    Just say no to Hamels.

    • blake

      Stuff looks fine….that’s where you trust your scouts

      • Robinson Tilapia

        That’s where you also look at game logs in order to break down what you’re actually seeing.

        • blake

          True….I mean I’d want my own MRI as well. It’s a bit of a red flag the way he’s pitched recently but you’d have to trust what the scouts tell you on whether its sample size related or something more

        • http://riveraveblues.com/ Mick

          If you were actually seeing it, like we do the Yankees every game, pitch and move they make, we would know just fine what Hamels has left or to offer.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            Sure, and actually utilizing sites like BRef to give you something more than the most front-end of stats goes a hell of a long way as well.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Did you know that you could actually pull things up like this on the internets?

      http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=hamelco01&t=p&year=2015

      • Madrugador

        Well no. Creating statistics is much more fun.
        Was I far from accurate?

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Accurate based on the level of information provided? Yes. Can someone easily provide more in-depth data that provides context that only confirms part of your hypothesis? Yes as well.

          • Madrugador

            “Lies, damned lies and statistics.” don’t you know.
            I did see him pitch on May 13th against the Pirates. Got the win. His fourseamer topped out around 93. 9K/!BB 2ER in 7 innings. He looked pretty good in a non dominant kind of way. Maybe it was the low scoring game that made him seem less impressive.
            Since then, his statistics don’t look so good. Haven’t seem him throw since then.
            Cueto as a Yankee, depending on the cost, that would seem a good thing. Hamels as a Yankee, don’t want to see it.

            • Robinson Tilapia

              It’s rather unbelievable that you would try to discredit an attempt to take the vague stats you provided and attempt to break them down for further info. This is literally what any intelligent person would do in order to test a hypothesis.

              Anti-intellectualism at its finest.

              • Jim Is Bored

                Is it really unbelievable?

    • Preston

      This is why wins and losses is such a bad stat. In the 9 starts where he hasn’t gotten a win. In five of those games he’s gone at least 7 innings with 2 runs or fewer (twice he went 7 scoreless). Put him in pin stripes I think his win/loss troubles will be over.
      He made had a bad start before the ASG, and a bad start after. I’m not reading anything more into it than it was two bad starts.

  • calripyankee

    The solution to the Yankees pitching needs is simple.. With Boston in sell mode, I’m sure the Yankees could trade for Joe Kelly and his unhittable fastball..

  • Still Stucky

    If I’m the Yanks, I’m pushing any even semi-major moves to deadline day. Their current lead is relatively significant and in the next 8 days they’ll knock off 7 road games (making the remaining schedule VERY home favorable) while the Jays finish up a west coast swing and the Jays and Rays play one another.

    What the Yanks division lead is and what the other teams in the division do will be a LOT clearer by next Friday and therefore what their needs are.

    • blake

      We know their needs regardless of what happens in the next week…..they have played over half the games….we know what their weaknesses are.

      Winning the division is the first goal….but winning the whole thing is the true goal and moves made are to get them closer to that….not just winning the division.

      • Still Stucky

        Winning 11 games in a month-long tournament and winning 90-92 games over 6 months are two different animals entirely.

        • blake

          Right….you’re getting it

      • Greggreen

        the think the OP was saying we should see how the division improves before be move forward

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Eh. Always advantages to being first and last.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    Oh, now they WANT Shane Greene back, like I’ve always said.

  • Some Asshole

    Eight more days of folks trying to figure out how to give another team crap in return for talent. I think I can make it that long.

  • Chip

    I get wanting to skip Price and go get Hamels instead because he’ll cost the Yankees less money (figuring the Yankees re-sign Price). But I don’t see Andy McPhail dealing Hamels this week.

    He just got the job, doesn’t know any of his development people or scouts well enough to trust their judgement about a franchise altering trade.

    • blake

      If I’m Andy McPhail I’m stepping back and letting Gillick and Amaro dea Hamels…..that way if they screw up I can point to the guys who are gone next year. Gillick is driving the bus still on trading hamels….you can bet on that

      • Madrugador

        That bus crashed a while ago. I am thinking Hamels value has declined and living in the Philly market, I am curious to see what he brings.Very happy to see a change in the front office for the Phils.

      • Chip

        No way – you were just hired to fix a franchise, the last thing you’re going to do is allow the two guys who ran it into the crap heap it’s in now to deal your best asset.

        • blake

          I disagree….I think he will let a gillick handle it

          • Sir Didi Nakamura

            Then he was the wrong hire imo

  • blake

    Cash is on MLB radio now

  • trr

    Either Price or Kinsler are excellent fits for the Yankees, but I just don’t see these deal happening. I think Detroit would ask a lot and I don’t see the Yankees overpaying at this point. Actually, it wouldn’t surprise me to see the Yanks either stand pat or just make small, inexpensive additions…but I’d love to get Price.

  • Stan

    While Nova is pitching well so far, I’m still worried about him for the rest of the season. This is why I want to see a solid 2/3 type starter to give the Yankees depth in case of injury and a solid 3 man rotation for the playoffs (I’m fine with Nova/Eovaldi) as a 4th guy who may get a game or 2.

    Of course an ace would be even better… I’d love to get Price and resign him long term (by long term I mean 4 years and maybe an option)

  • noseeum

    Yanks already have an 88% chance of making the playoffs. Once we get to the playoffs, either Tanaka and Pineda perform, or we don’t go anywhere. Sure, Price sounds good, but I don’t think two months of him is worth the haul it would take. The playoffs are just too random, and I’m confident they’ll make it already.

    I like the idea of getting Kinsler though. Tough to make that deal happen, but worth a try.

    • https://youtu.be/alYXF7a9N3U Memory Bread

      This season is/was so far the best case scenario with the bonus of having an above average draft with a steady progression of prospects getting promoted &/or production.

      …That being said the only prospects (NOT ON THE 40 MAN ROSTER)I’d make available would be from this list

      Severino
      Andujar
      Campos
      Avelino
      Bird
      Cave
      Davis
      Goody
      Encinas
      Gamel.

      All of these players will be exposed to the Rule V draft this offseason and I expect Bird/Severino/Campos (if he continues to show improvement) to be added to the already crowded 40 man situation at the end of the season.

      Also Davis & Goody are also strong candidates but I don’t see any teams taking on Andujar and Encinas even with thier high ceilings to stash them away on thier 25 man roster.

  • MattPat11

    I’m not sure if it feels worse to trade prospects and watch them turn into stars or to hoard them and watch them turn in to Phil Hughes. I think if you can get a Hamels or Price you need to pull the trigger.

  • blake

    Cashman as usual didn’t say a whole lot in his interview…..did acknowledge that they were getting below average production at 2b but suggested that it’s tough to upgrade there which is why they signed Drew to start with

    • Sir Didi Nakamura

      “did acknowledge that they were getting below average production at 2b”

      Sure he did Blake, sure he did.

      • blake

        He was reluctant ….he said there is a player at AAA that’s close offensively but not there defensively

        • Tom

          Did he say who?

        • Greggreen

          I dont know how much ref can really improve on D in the next few weeks. I really dont see the problem in him coming up and if the defense is really that bad just play him until you get a lead and then bring in drew for defense. Beltran is terrible in right but we replace him in the 7th almost every game at this point. If we dont get a 2nd baseman at the deadline and the d is that bad then it might be time to consider a similar situation at 2nd.

          • blake

            They aren’t that in to Rob Refsynder

            • Greggreen

              yeah it makes total sense, hes shown nothing to merit at least a long look.

            • bernbabybern

              We’ll find out after the trade deadline passes.

  • Still Stucky

    I can’t remember a deadline deal for any club that paid off in the postseason in any significant way. I’m sure there is something, I just can’t think of it.

    Play the PS with who got you there. If a deal at the deadline presents itself that you would have made the previous December or would make the next December, make it. But DON’T make it specifically thinking it will significantly increase your odds of winning your last game of the postseason. History and math says it won’t.

    • Sir Didi Nakamura

      Everyone needs to finally realize that it’s not only about building a rotation for the playoffs, there’s a regular season and division you need to win first.

    • http://riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Marco Scutaro.

      • Preston

        Is now possibly healthy, rested and an upgrade over Drew.

    • blake

      Cliff Lee helped the Rangers to the WS in 2011…..and they should have won….they don’t get there without him.

      It’s very true that big deadline deals…..especially for rental players in general do not work out for the renting club…..simply because it’s very hard to win it all and usually you end up with nothing to show for the deal 3 months later.

      • GPU

        And Lee helped the Phillies in 2009.

    • dkidd

      david justice

  • rogue

    I wouldn’t pull the trigger for Hamels. I’d definitely would for Price.

  • Monterocouldstillbedinero

    E-Wah-Kooma.

    I like him.

    Cheaper than Price, an excellent #3 and a good buddy for Tuh-Knock-uh.

  • Still Stucky

    I’ll add to the below by saying the deadline “deals” I do remember being a difference maker were promotions.

    K-Rod, Price, etc… lightning-in-a-bottle September BP promotions.

  • Madrugador

    What a glorious day for a baseball game. Go Yanks. Sweep is in the air.
    For me, “TIme to make the donuts”. A great day to all.

    • Sir Didi Nakamura

      Tanaka day, let’s end them.

    • LazerTown

      Kinda cold and rainy.

  • Tom

    The serial killer is catching today.

  • blake

    @MLBNetworkRadio: #Yankees GM Brian Cashman on deadline needs and joked “I don’t really talk to the Mets or Red Sox.” https://t.co/eijVllTjWd

    • Still Stucky

      I don’t think he was joking.

      • Aldukes

        he didn’t sound like he was to me

      • Robinson Tilapia

        *stares at Stephen Drew*

        • Mandy Stankiewicz

          that was pretty rare.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      “…….but when I do, I always Purell the shit out of myself afterwards.”

  • Still Stucky

    Don’t take out of your savings to play craps because you figure you never know when you’ll get back to Vegas again.

    And that’s all I gots to say about that.

    • https://youtu.be/alYXF7a9N3U Memory Bread

      Upvoted for truth.

    • Chip

      by the same token, if you go to vegas and only play the penny slots you’re going to get bored pretty quickly.

      There’s a middle ground in-between.

      • Still Stucky

        Not about the past-time, about the pay-off, no?

        • Chip

          I’m saying there’s a difference between saying you’re going to empty your bank account and saying you’re willing to spend some money.

          Same is true with prospects. There’s a difference between saying I’m willing to trade some top prospects and saying I’m willing to empty the farm.

          • Still Stucky

            Not really. I find the logic of “I’m going to burn some prospects to marginally improve my odds but not all of them” to be suspect.

            I’m not against trading prospects by any stretch of the imagination, the criteria should just be “would I ALSO make this deal 5 months from now”.

            • Chip

              “Burning prospects” is a relative term. I don’t think giving up Severino as part of a package for Price is burning Severino. If everything goes right for Severino he still may never be the pitcher Price is.

    • blake

      I agree with the sentiment but there is a big difference in that for a single person and a huge baseball corporation trying to sell tickets and whom generates a lot more revenue by making the playoffs. It’s hardly an apples to apples comparison

      • Still Stucky

        I agree, the point is the NYY chances at the postseason are relatively strong already. Don’t pay premium prices thinking it’s a two-month insurance policy. Make a deal you would make for April-September, ideally for multiple seasons. Not Aug-Sept of ONE season, unless there is little to no cost.

        • Chip

          Let’s be honest, if the Yankees trade the players it takes for Price then they are going to keep Price beyond this year. It’s just a matter of for how much.

          • Still Stucky

            I like the strategy of playing THIS PS with your hand, keeping the players you would have given up and targeting Price in December better.

            • Chip

              Except the Yankees may be in a weaker position to compete next year than they are this year.

              You’re getting very strong years from Alex and Tex…you sure that’s going to be the case next year?

              You sure that Pineda’s going to rebound after throwing more innings this year than he has in the past 3 combined?

              Beltran’s going to be a year older too…

          • LazerTown

            Doesn’t change anything. He is going to cost market price. Don’t give up prospects order to pay that.

          • Greggreen

            the yankees have balked from giving players contracts into their late 30s. price has alot of milage on that arm and is 30 next year, his contract will probably be at least 7 years. I do think its possible that we do trade for him and then let him walk.

            • https://youtu.be/alYXF7a9N3U Memory Bread

              Compare his millage on his arm (including his years at Vandy) to Sabathia’s at the same age and it’s not even comparable.

              • Greggreen

                regarless of innings pitched you should still expect a decline for a pitcher in his mid to late 30s and price is going to get at least a 7 year deal.

          • blake

            Yes but that’s a bad idea

          • Robinson Tilapia

            Wuh? There’s, like, zero guarantee of that.

        • LazerTown

          This. I don’t mind trades but giving up long term pieces for a third of a season is nuts.

      • LazerTown

        I’d argue that them getting to the postseason every year is way better for profit that getting Price and then missing in future years.

        • Still Stucky

          Ding…

        • blake

          Your assuming those things are mutually exclusive

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Boston’s heart hasn’t been broken this bad since they found out Jimmy Fallon likes the Yankees.

    • LazerTown

      That’s actually a really good analogy.

  • Frittoman626

    I’m laughing my ass of at the comments of some people saying that Refsnyder is better than Kinsler. If you honestly believe that, then you’re as bad as Red Sox fans and the media that we make fun of for claiming they’re future prospects are HOFers.

    Even with Kinsler having this down season, he still has a 3 WAR. The Yankees would be estatic if Refsnyder put up the same numbers Kinsler is this season on a year to year bases. I’m not saying that Kinsler is gonna be worth what the Tigers are asking for him, but to claim that Refsnyder is, or will be better than Kinsler is asinine.

    Could he be better, yes. But I highly doubt that.

    • Mandy Stankiewicz

      yup

    • RetroRob

      Right. Refsnyder might turn out to be a decent player, but odds are he’ll top out as a marginal major leaguer. Since he also plays the OF, his career might end up being what people were hoping Pirela’s career was going to be — a platoon/bench player who can play some infield and OF. I’d like to see more of him, especially if the Yankees don’t make a trade for a 2B’man, but he’s not a prospect I’d hug all that tightly.

    • cxz

      But Refs is a prospect crush here! He’s going to be the best 2B ever! Who needs defense or proven MLB numbers? He’s a Yankee, isn’t that enough?

  • levendis

    No thank you to Price. Maybe he wins us a WS, history says no though. I’ll take 6 years of control of Judge/Severino over 2 months of Price.

  • blake

    Love Price right now…..whoever gives him 200 million bucks this winter though will be very sorry

    • BD11

      you mean $250M? :)

  • Monterocouldstillbedinero

    Kazmir to the Astros. What ever happened to his supposed injury when he pitched against us and took himself out?