Game 126: Avenging a sad loss


I didn’t want to mention this on Saturday, because why mention something negative after a big win, but it was yet another case of the O’Neill Theory. For the uninitiated, this is a completely unsubstantiated theory espoused by Paul O’Neill which states that a team getting blown out that scores runs in the ninth is showing life, and will likely win the next day. That’s what happened with the Sox on Friday night, and they came back in a big way on Saturday.

Of course, the theory will not be right 100 percent of the time. Yet it seems every time I take notice of the Yankees scoring runs in the 9th inning of a blowout, they come back and win the next day. Today will be yet another data point in testing this theory. Yes, it’s stupid, but it’s worked out so well that I can’t just ignore it at this point. So bear with me.

The Yanks will face rookie Derek Holland for the second time this season (third counting a relief appearance). You can read more about the Pettitte – Holland matchup in our Rangers series preview. I’ll spare the regurgitation of information here, but suffice it to say that Holland is not the same pitcher the Yankees saw in May. He’s been quite good over this last three starts.

In an attempt to get his starters some rest, Girardi has sat Damon today against the lefty. Clearly Girardi has more information about his players than I do, but I wonder if an alternate scenario might make sense. We know Melky’s slumping something fierce now. Why not put Hairston in center? Give Melky the night off. Damon had Thursday, Saturday, and Monday off. They can find time for him to sit against the White Sox. Again, this might have something to do with the lingering effects of Damon’s knee pain, so I won’t rush to judgement. I just thought they could have used the opportunity to get Melky a day off.

There’s another curious lineup move afoot. Tomorrow is a day game, so Jose Molina would catch either tonight or tomorrow. Posada is in the lineup today, so that presumes Molina catches tomorrow. Burnett pitches tomorrow. Does this signal the much-hyped rift between pitcher and catcher? Via Feinsand, Girardi says no. Action speak louder than words, though, and it would have been just as easy to catch Molina tonight and Jorge tomorrow. It might even make more sense to do it that way, because Molina would be facing a lefty tonight. I’m not saying there is a rift, but I am saying that if Girardi wants to quell the notion, he’d do better by having Posada catch Burnett tomorrow.


1. Derek Jeter, SS
2. Nick Swisher, RF
3. Mark Teixeira, 1B
4. Alex Rodriguez, 3B
5. Hideki Matsui, DH
6. Jorge Posada, C
7. Robinson Cano, 2B
8. Jerry Hairston, LF
9. Melky Cabrera, CF

And on the mound, number forty-six, Andy Pettitte.

Categories : Game Threads


  1. Dela G says:

    Lets Go Yankees

  2. Drew says:

    I find it hard to believe that 0-4 has to do with Damon sitting.
    It’s 4 AB’s in 2 games…
    Tried linking the B-Ref page with his AB’s vs Holland but no go…

  3. GG says:

    Seeking fantasy advice prohibited? Sorry Joe, thought it was open thread

  4. Manimal says:

    How do you punish Swisher for his awful bunting? Put him in the 2 spot. Genius.


  5. Salty Buggah says:

    We really need take out the bitter, salty taste from last night’s game. That stung. That stunk. It was junk. The only way I can take solace is that by the Rangers winning, we hurt the Sox.

    I hope our starter does well today unlike the starters of 3 of the past 4 games.

  6. Jamal G. says:

    It might even make more sense to do it that way, because Molina would be facing a lefty tonight.

    If you do want to argue that, couldn’t a just-as-valid counter point be that Girardi would want Jorge Posada facing the tougher of the two pitchers tonight?

  7. Little Bill says:

    It makes more sense to play Jorge today! There is already a weaker bat in LF, no need for another. Damon will play tomorrow and Jorge will sit. It has nothing to do with AJ and Posada.

  8. GG says:

    Seeking fantasy lineup card advice for this evening: I can only start 2 of the following 3 tonight, leaning towards giving Cruz the night off: BJ Upton (Rzepcynski 0-5 lifetime) Andre Ethier (Josh Fogg 1-7 lifetime) Nelson Cruz (Andy P 1-7 lifetime)…Ethier has been scorching hot lately

  9. anonymous says:

    Anyone know a site that links ustreams?

  10. The Artist says:

    About Ben’s piece on the bunt play from earlier today, he is right in general and the facts are indisputable. However, there can be specific instances where the bunt play makes sense. For example:

    A)If you have a speedy baserunner up at the plate who’s good at bunting, like a Brett Gardner type.

    B)You have a hitter who’s slumping badly and/or is likely to hit into a DP facing a certain pitcher.

    C)The hitter involved is an excellent bunter, who can bunt for a hit.

    D)You see an opening in the opposing team’s defense that you think you can exploit. Mike Lowell would be a good example.

    Unfortunately, none of those apply to last night. It just bugs me though when people say ‘the bunt is never a good play’ because that’s simply not the case.

    No manager with half a brain will take the general matchup over the specific. I always shake my head when you see on TV that ‘Player X bats XXX vs the Yankees’, which is almost totally meaningless. You want to know how a batter fares vs today’s starter, assuming there’s a meaningful sample size. Or, a batter may simply tell you he just doesn’t see the ball well against someone, and then you don’t need a large sample. I suspect that’s what happened with Damon tonight.

    But I’ll take specific match up over the general one every time, and that includes the bunt play.

    • steve (different one) says:

      e) you are at home and you want to maximize your chances of scoring 1 run to make sure the game continues.

      • The Artist says:

        That’s good, makes more sense in a 1 run game at home than on the road. Unless you’re tied on the road, then you do it there as well, assuming (as I already said) that the player(s) involved make it likely to be executed successfully.

    • Little Bill says:

      Bunting to try to get a base hit is a good play because it gets a man on base. A player like Swisher could catch the defense off guard if he squared around when nobody was expecting the bunt. I think Ben would agree with that though.

    • A, C, and D are all bunting for HITS.

      99.99999999% of the times that people talk about the poor philosophical wisdom of bunting, they’re talking about sacrifice bunting. Bunting for an OUT. Not bunting for a hit.

      Had Swisher been Gardner laying down a bunt because he’s got a good shot at beating it out and he wasn’t intentionally trying to make an out in exchange for the runners advancing bases, I’m sure people would be much less up in arms about it.

      • The Artist says:

        Hmmm I dunno. A) and D) are debatable, plus there’s an E) above which has nothing to do with the batter.

        In any case, I wonder why people weren’t more up in arms about Swisher instead of Girardi. The TWO pitches he attempted to bunt at were both up in the zone and AWFUL pitches to bunt at. For me, Swisher deserves more blame than Girardi, he executed horrendously.

        If Girardi deserves blame it’s that he should know his players better, and I doubt he’ll ever ask Swish to do that again. It backfired terribly in a huge spot.

  11. Aj says:

    Does anyone know where Michael Kay has been?

    • The Artist says:

      In bed with a Chinese hooker.

      Not that there’s anything wrong with that, of course.

    • Randy A. says:

      He took this series off. He will be back next series. He was talking on his radio show about how he took this series off in the beginning of the season because usually the Rangers fall out of it by this time of the year.

  12. JGS says:

    I think I’m going to go with the Texas feed on gameday audio this time

  13. Mike Axisa says:

    When’s the last time Michael Kay called a game? How much vacation time does that guy get?

  14. Dela G says:

    if we win tonight, i think people will forget about the bunt for a while, especially if/when the red sox lose

  15. zs190 says:

    Interesting viewpoint that I hadn’t thought of. Everyone has been arguing that Swisher is a good hitter so he shouldn’t bunt, except we are talking about Swisher’s overall body of work. His splits this season are very significant and he has been pretty awful at home so that might have factored into Girardi’s decision too.

  16. Dela G says:

    pettite bringin teh cuttah tonite!

  17. Dela G says:

    damn Alex

    we needed that play there

  18. Mike Axisa says:

    Stupid lip of the grass.

  19. Salty Buggah says:

    Cmon A-rod

  20. JGS says:

    I’m gameday-ing–how bad was that?

  21. Jackson says:

    Way to sit back on your heels ARod.

  22. JMK says:

    Alex’s D has been poor lately. I know he’s not 100%, but I sure hope he gets some rest as we close in on the clinch.

  23. Johan Iz My Brohan says:

    ARod c’mon I want a clean game now

    Go Yankees!

  24. Dela G says:

    cmon andy, get a DP please?

  25. Salty Buggah says:

    Can I get a DP?

  26. Gah, come on, Andy. Settle buddy.

  27. Jackson says:

    Aaand if Teixeira isn’t holding the runner that’s an easy out and Pettitte cruises through the first.

    • JMK says:

      And if I didn’t suckle the juice from my Momma’s teet, I wouldn’t have developed as well as I have.

      Predetermined outcome is false.

  28. Bugsy says:

    damn. i was hoping for byrd batting cleanup

  29. Mike Axisa says:

    Really nice Andy, real nice.

  30. JGS says:

    well this isn’t good

  31. Drew says:

    Soooo not dandy.

  32. Well the inning started nicely…

  33. Bugsy says:

    Channelling the inner joba, are we andy?

  34. Dela G says:

    man pettite is playing with fire

    bases loaded already?

    • Little Bill says:

      He knows what he’s doing. I have a feeling Pettitte will only need a couple runs tonight.

  35. Johan Iz My Brohan says:

    bullshit calls.

  36. Salty Buggah says:

    this ump squeezed pettitte on the first to Cruz

  37. Drew says:


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  40. zs190 says:

    ARod redeems himself

  41. Accent Shallow says:

    You still owe us for last year, Pudge.

  42. Mike Axisa says:

    Booyah. Thanks Pudgy.

  43. Don’t worry, guys. Andy just wanted Alex to be able to redeem himself.

  44. Salty Buggah says:

    This is the Pudgelet we remember!!!!!

  45. Johan Iz My Brohan says:

    The 2 out gods don’t hate us!!

    Go Offense!!!

  46. Bugsy says:

    I expect 6 runs here.

  47. Jose says:

    Read an article by Stark today about Pete Rose and the hall of fame. Do most of you think he should be in the hall of fame? I think Stark summed up my feelings pretty well.

    “Me, personally? I would vote for Pete Rose — Pete Rose the baseball player — for the Hall of Fame. I try to remind people all the time that the Hall’s a museum. It’s not the Vatican. So I wouldn’t nominate the Hit King for sainthood. But it seems absurd to me that the man who got the most hits in the history of baseball doesn’t have a plaque with his name on it in the ultimate baseball museum.”

    • Accent Shallow says:

      While he’s still alive: no chance.
      Posthumously, I’d consider it.

    • Drew says:

      He’s arguably the best hitter of all time. Uhh, yeah, he should be in the HOF.

      • Accent Shallow says:

        And he broke the cardinal rule: no betting on baseball.

        Obviously he’d be in if it were a question of playing career alone.

        • Drew says:

          It should be the latter, which is where we may disagree.

          • Accent Shallow says:

            So betting on baseball doesn’t matter? Should Shoeless Joe be in the Hall?

            • Betting on baseball does matter, which is why both Rose and Jackson should be banned from the game forever.

              However, they shouldn’t be banned from the Hall of Fame. The Hall is not baseball, and baseball is not the Hall.

              They impeached Nixon for high crimes and misdemeanors. But he still appears in your textbooks, because his administration DID happen.

  48. JGS says:

    Holland’s gameday picture looks like he is 8

  49. Pitchers ain’t getting that low strike call.

  50. Accent Shallow says:

    I heard Holland is making this start on extra rest; he was gassed from throwing in the Little League World Series.

  51. Johan Iz My Brohan says:

    Jeter will go 3-3 in his next 3 AB after that out. Book it.

  52. Droppin’ that shoulder instead of the bat head, Swish!

  53. Mike Axisa says:

    Derek Holland, 25th round draft pick.

  54. Bugsy says:

    omg, shut up Ken singleton! shut up!

  55. Dela G says:

    cmon tex, we need people on base

  56. BigBlueAL says:

    C’mon Kenny, you played for Earl Weaver who detested the bunt more than Billy Beane. You should know better!!

  57. Bugsy says:

    goddamn, this guy is actually good. unlike millstone errr millwood

  58. VO says:

    Imagine how many stolen bases the Sox will get off the Sox tonight. Wakefield pitching to Martinez.

  59. Dela G says:

    alrght guys, you have to make the guy work, lets at least see 4 pitches per AB first

  60. JMK says:

    We drafted Chris Davis, master of strikeout, quite some time ago, I believe.

  61. Salty Buggah says:

    this is the chris davis we remember and love

  62. JMK says:

    And right on cue, he strikes out.

  63. Bugsy says:

    that’s the chris davis I know and love

  64. Peace, Chris (not that it’s all that hard to strike him out).

  65. Jackson says:

    Weird, Chris Davis strikes out

  66. JMK says:

    Dusty Nipples tomorrow!

  67. Nippert’s a squirrely lookin’ mother fucker isn’t he?

  68. Bugsy says:

    wait. is pudges DHing? I heart Ron Washington

  69. Mike Maddux is like the Jason Varitek of pitching coaches.

  70. Tank the Frank says:

    If I were Mike Pelfrey I’d be nervous as shit right now. Mets are dropping like flies.

  71. Dela G says:

    good job pettite

  72. So, I don’t quite understand that Banquet Beer ad. Are the names of those towns/cities supposed to be…impressive? Gritty? I don’t get it; but maybe I’m just dumb.

  73. Willy says:

    The ESPN2 announcer just said that he guarantees that the home plate umpire will be right 99.9% of the time tonight (even if ARod disagrees). That would means he won’t miss a single call tonight… I’m gonna have to go ahead and disagree there.

  74. Dela G says:

    a-rod gets the offense going

  75. Salty Buggah says:

    hehe I was typing how Holland has a no-no…thanks A-rod

  76. Mike Axisa says:

    I had an argument with a buddy of mine who said A-Rod was just a .260 singles hitter now. I had to literally walk away from him.

    • Accent Shallow says:

      The odd thing is, A-Rod has never been a big producer of non-2B XBH.

      • Accent Shallow says:

        I clearly meant “non-HR”. He’s never really hit a ton of doubles.

        • Tank the Frank says:

          True. I noticed that as well when I was looking at his numbers one day. It seems like if he puts his good swing on it, it’s leaving the park.

    • aj says:

      singles hitter with 22 HRs and a 509 slug?

    • pat says:

      How are you friends with that person?

      DAMN, MAtsui is teh hot shit. More like BATsui!!!

      AMI RITE???


    • Well, his IsoP is about 30 points below his career number (it’s still over .200. Ha, I love A-rod).

    • Drew says:

      As FatAbe said, “The power hasn’t come back fully yet — and maybe it never will.” It’s a fucking joke. Hey Pete, we should flat out release him, right?

      • Accent Shallow says:

        Well, he’s not hitting with as much power as he has in the past. So he’s gone from scary, ridiculous power to well-above-average power.

        He’s still a valuable player, even if he never posts another 2007-esque season.

        • Tank the Frank says:

          I think people are ridiculous who think this is the way he’s going to be for the rest of his career now and don’t bother to take his hip injury into account. I think Alex is a supreme athlete and we should hopefully see a few great seasons from him yet. He’ll regress of course, but I don’t think he’ll decline as sharply as some players (David Ortiz I’m looking at you).

  77. aj says:

    On the runway and ready to fly! Smooth Singleton.

  78. Accent Shallow says:

    Matsui has two bombs off this kid, so I’m predicting an 0-4 due to the vagaries of baseball.

  79. JGS says:

    hmm…bunt with posada?

  80. Salty Buggah says:

    no DP Posada

  81. Johan Iz My Brohan says:

    Matsui is a monster!

  82. Drew says:


  83. Salty Buggah says:


  84. JGS says:


  85. Accent Shallow says:

    That works!

  86. Dela G says:



  87. aj says:

    Wow he fustigated the ball!

  88. Drew says:

    Shoulda bunted!!! haha Jorge is the shit.

  89. Jorge is unimpressed with the distance of the wall in center field.

  90. BigBlueAL says:

    Hip Hip…

  91. Bugsy says:

    Man does he kill texas!?

  92. VO says:

    The pitchers still hate him.

  93. Johan Iz My Brohan says:


  94. Accent Shallow says:

    Great Singleton/Cone back and forth there.

  95. aj says:

    Working on my Jack Nicholson..

  96. Zack says:

    always sitting back and waiting for the 3 run HR


  97. Little Bill says:

    Remember when Joe P. wanted to bench Posada tonight because Molina would be facing a lefty? LOL!

  98. Accent Shallow says:

    Michael Young: I wish I still played short.

  99. Mike Axisa says:

    The Joker’s in the house.

  100. Hairston was swinging for Monument Park on that one.

    /misses the old stadium.

  101. JGS says:

    feh–Ortiz just tied it up in Boston

  102. Johan Iz My Brohan says:

    Well there you go.. the boston bandbox is in full effect tonight


  103. pat says:

    Singy is the freakin man, perfectly executed little one liner about Jack bein able to handle the truth because the truth is the yanks are up 3-0. Kay would STILL be patting himself on the back if he came up with anything remotely as clever as that

  104. Bugsy says:

    Jeter is a good teacher

  105. Salty Buggah says:

    Hairston OBPing

  106. Paul McCartney looks terrible.

  107. aj says:

    Let’s win one for Ted Kennedy tonight.

  108. Dela G says:

    aight jeter

    lets go

  109. Salty Buggah says:

    Melky stinks more than a stale fish now

  110. Dela G says:

    damn jeter, even i knew he would throw a strike down the middle

  111. Damnit, Joe, you scared away Makavelli by outing him as Axl. I haven’t heard a peep from him since you dropped the hammer.

    He was doing so well. You brute.

  112. Dela G says:

    hey does anyone know if there is like a specific amount of time between half innings? like is it 5 mins between innings?

  113. The Artist says:

    TSJC, I’m pretty sure you’re a political junkie. Are you watching the Mayoral debate?

  114. Drew says:

    Ha COney is the man. Him and Sing together are the shit.

  115. JGS says:

    stop. walking. the. number. nine. batter

  116. BigBlueAL says:

    A leadoff walk to the #9 hitter. Someone shoot me….

  117. Drew says:

    We turn some legit double plays.

  118. JGS says:

    …well, never mind. you still shouldn’t walk the leadoff batter

  119. Salty Buggah says:

    woohoo I love watching DPs

  120. Jackson says:

    Every time the Rangers are on ESPN Sutcliffe talks about how unselfish and team oriented Michael Young is for switching position completely ignoring the fact that he threw a hissy and demanded a trade for a week or two when he was asked to move to third. I hate Rick Sutcliffe.

  121. aj says:

    I wonder if part of him wants to bunt for a base hit to prove he can get the bunt down?

  122. Karl W says:

    The Count

  123. aj says:

    The Orphan is a great movie.

  124. aj says:


  125. Mike Axisa says:

    A-Rod with the steal. Now he needs three days off for the hip.

  126. pat says:

    Steals like a 1b too.

  127. Drew says:

    Alex is too good.

  128. aj says:


  129. Bugsy says:

    fucking andrus. fuckity fuck

  130. sam says:

    the hell was that?

  131. Riddering says:

    …A-Rod, why?

  132. Salty Buggah says:

    ah cmon A-rod!

    there goes one potential run

  133. Mike Axisa says:

    I want to yell at A-Rod, Thompson, someone, but holy shit was that some kind of play by Andrus.

  134. Drew says:

    Dang did Thompson wave him in?? I wish we had a view of it.. ugh

  135. Dela G says:

    man that sucked, however who wouldve thought he gets to that ball?

  136. pat says:

    Hahaha arod, I knew that was gonna happen as soon as it was fielded.

  137. Jackson says:

    That was a pretty good play.

  138. aj says:

    Don’t blame Arod blame the windmill at third base!

  139. Johan Iz My Brohan says:

    I hate getting thrown out at home.