Game 126: Avenging a sad loss
ByI didn’t want to mention this on Saturday, because why mention something negative after a big win, but it was yet another case of the O’Neill Theory. For the uninitiated, this is a completely unsubstantiated theory espoused by Paul O’Neill which states that a team getting blown out that scores runs in the ninth is showing life, and will likely win the next day. That’s what happened with the Sox on Friday night, and they came back in a big way on Saturday.
Of course, the theory will not be right 100 percent of the time. Yet it seems every time I take notice of the Yankees scoring runs in the 9th inning of a blowout, they come back and win the next day. Today will be yet another data point in testing this theory. Yes, it’s stupid, but it’s worked out so well that I can’t just ignore it at this point. So bear with me.
The Yanks will face rookie Derek Holland for the second time this season (third counting a relief appearance). You can read more about the Pettitte – Holland matchup in our Rangers series preview. I’ll spare the regurgitation of information here, but suffice it to say that Holland is not the same pitcher the Yankees saw in May. He’s been quite good over this last three starts.
In an attempt to get his starters some rest, Girardi has sat Damon today against the lefty. Clearly Girardi has more information about his players than I do, but I wonder if an alternate scenario might make sense. We know Melky’s slumping something fierce now. Why not put Hairston in center? Give Melky the night off. Damon had Thursday, Saturday, and Monday off. They can find time for him to sit against the White Sox. Again, this might have something to do with the lingering effects of Damon’s knee pain, so I won’t rush to judgement. I just thought they could have used the opportunity to get Melky a day off.
There’s another curious lineup move afoot. Tomorrow is a day game, so Jose Molina would catch either tonight or tomorrow. Posada is in the lineup today, so that presumes Molina catches tomorrow. Burnett pitches tomorrow. Does this signal the much-hyped rift between pitcher and catcher? Via Feinsand, Girardi says no. Action speak louder than words, though, and it would have been just as easy to catch Molina tonight and Jorge tomorrow. It might even make more sense to do it that way, because Molina would be facing a lefty tonight. I’m not saying there is a rift, but I am saying that if Girardi wants to quell the notion, he’d do better by having Posada catch Burnett tomorrow.
Lineup:
1. Derek Jeter, SS
2. Nick Swisher, RF
3. Mark Teixeira, 1B
4. Alex Rodriguez, 3B
5. Hideki Matsui, DH
6. Jorge Posada, C
7. Robinson Cano, 2B
8. Jerry Hairston, LF
9. Melky Cabrera, CF
And on the mound, number forty-six, Andy Pettitte.
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I find it hard to believe that 0-4 has to do with Damon sitting.
It’s 4 AB’s in 2 games…
Tried linking the B-Ref page with his AB’s vs Holland but no go…
http://www.baseball-reference......=damonjo01
Seeking fantasy advice prohibited? Sorry Joe, thought it was open thread
No. It’s fine. Repost your question. We had a bit of a game thread snafu.
Game threads are like open threads so nothing is off-topic
In that case, care to discuss the rapid growth of my back hair? I can almost dreadlock it!
Just don’t tell Jim Rice.
Back in my day, we used to groom our back hair the right way. These days, all guys like JMK want to do is show it off wearing no clothes and have dreadlocks. They are not good role models for the kids who have yet to hit puberty. It sets a bad example.
/Jim Rice’d
It’s like international waters out here. It’s where they had the Tyson-Secretariat fight, “The Slaughter in the Water”.
How do you punish Swisher for his awful bunting? Put him in the 2 spot. Genius.
Why punish him by hurting our chances for the next game? He’s a good OBP guy and he has done well in the 2nd hole (selective memory warning) from what I remember?
Batting 2nd this year: 73 PA, .258/.356/.516, 10 XBH, 10 BB, 12 K
That’s pretty good. An OPS of .872
When’s the last time you saw Johnny Damon square up to bunt in the two-hole? Swisher’s there because he gets on base like a mofo.
Exactly. If he’s bad at bunting, move him out from the bottom of the lineup where he’d be bunting more often.
We really need take out the bitter, salty taste from last night’s game. That stung. That stunk. It was junk. The only way I can take solace is that by the Rangers winning, we hurt the Sox.
I hope our starter does well today unlike the starters of 3 of the past 4 games.
If you do want to argue that, couldn’t a just-as-valid counter point be that Girardi would want Jorge Posada facing the tougher of the two pitchers tonight?
Point taken.
THAT IS HOW YOU DEBATE!!!!
Then again, you could make the argument that it’s better to send Molina out against the tougher pitcher, since he’s more likely to make an out anyway, and then have Jorge beat in the brains of the lesser pitcher.
But Jorge isn’t guaranteed to hit that well even if it is a lesser pitcher (I guess this is somewhat valid)
Or you can say you already have Damon sitting so you dont want to sit Posada too
Good point. Also, you could say that since Hairston is in, he doesn’t want to hurt his offense even more by taking out another starter.
+1
that was my thought.
It makes more sense to play Jorge today! There is already a weaker bat in LF, no need for another. Damon will play tomorrow and Jorge will sit. It has nothing to do with AJ and Posada.
Seeking fantasy lineup card advice for this evening: I can only start 2 of the following 3 tonight, leaning towards giving Cruz the night off: BJ Upton (Rzepcynski 0-5 lifetime) Andre Ethier (Josh Fogg 1-7 lifetime) Nelson Cruz (Andy P 1-7 lifetime)…Ethier has been scorching hot lately
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About Ben’s piece on the bunt play from earlier today, he is right in general and the facts are indisputable. However, there can be specific instances where the bunt play makes sense. For example:
A)If you have a speedy baserunner up at the plate who’s good at bunting, like a Brett Gardner type.
B)You have a hitter who’s slumping badly and/or is likely to hit into a DP facing a certain pitcher.
C)The hitter involved is an excellent bunter, who can bunt for a hit.
D)You see an opening in the opposing team’s defense that you think you can exploit. Mike Lowell would be a good example.
Unfortunately, none of those apply to last night. It just bugs me though when people say ‘the bunt is never a good play’ because that’s simply not the case.
No manager with half a brain will take the general matchup over the specific. I always shake my head when you see on TV that ‘Player X bats XXX vs the Yankees’, which is almost totally meaningless. You want to know how a batter fares vs today’s starter, assuming there’s a meaningful sample size. Or, a batter may simply tell you he just doesn’t see the ball well against someone, and then you don’t need a large sample. I suspect that’s what happened with Damon tonight.
But I’ll take specific match up over the general one every time, and that includes the bunt play.
e) you are at home and you want to maximize your chances of scoring 1 run to make sure the game continues.
That’s good, makes more sense in a 1 run game at home than on the road. Unless you’re tied on the road, then you do it there as well, assuming (as I already said) that the player(s) involved make it likely to be executed successfully.
Bunting to try to get a base hit is a good play because it gets a man on base. A player like Swisher could catch the defense off guard if he squared around when nobody was expecting the bunt. I think Ben would agree with that though.
He might make it to first with the aid of a Segway, but I wouldn’t count on it.
A, C, and D are all bunting for HITS.
99.99999999% of the times that people talk about the poor philosophical wisdom of bunting, they’re talking about sacrifice bunting. Bunting for an OUT. Not bunting for a hit.
Had Swisher been Gardner laying down a bunt because he’s got a good shot at beating it out and he wasn’t intentionally trying to make an out in exchange for the runners advancing bases, I’m sure people would be much less up in arms about it.
Hmmm I dunno. A) and D) are debatable, plus there’s an E) above which has nothing to do with the batter.
In any case, I wonder why people weren’t more up in arms about Swisher instead of Girardi. The TWO pitches he attempted to bunt at were both up in the zone and AWFUL pitches to bunt at. For me, Swisher deserves more blame than Girardi, he executed horrendously.
If Girardi deserves blame it’s that he should know his players better, and I doubt he’ll ever ask Swish to do that again. It backfired terribly in a huge spot.
Maybe Swish pulled a Gary Sheffield and intentionall futzed up the bunt call to show his displeasure with his manager’s decision.
Does anyone know where Michael Kay has been?
In bed with a Chinese hooker.
Not that there’s anything wrong with that, of course.
He took this series off. He will be back next series. He was talking on his radio show about how he took this series off in the beginning of the season because usually the Rangers fall out of it by this time of the year.
I think I’m going to go with the Texas feed on gameday audio this time
When’s the last time Michael Kay called a game? How much vacation time does that guy get?
Not nearly enough.
hahaha excellent!
IETC
What’s worse is that i believe yesmichaelkay is taking this week off too!!!!
https://twitter.com/yesmichaelkay/status/3506706711
Yup I remembered that tweet. Fuckin love yesmichaelkay!!
I don’t understand why people don’t like Michael Kay, he’s entertaining, witty, interesting and intelligent. But he’s still doing his radio show so I don’t know where he is.
he is in new jersey today at JETS training camp
Well, he’s entertaining and interesting. I’m not sure about the others listed. Personally, I enjoy Kay, for the reasons already mentioned, and because of the drinking game. My dream would be to have Emmitt Smith team with Michael Kay. That would be incredible.
He needs it and deserves it. The man is a broadcasting genius and he should be given a rest during a long, grueling season like this. He has a radio show, the Yankees job, and I see him on ESPN sometimes. If only the rest of us could be half the man Michael Kay is.
I’ve got the sneaking suspicion that you’re not being 100% genuine in your comments.
if we win tonight, i think people will forget about the bunt for a while, especially if/when the red sox lose
the Sox should lose–Floyd is having a pretty nice season, and if nothing else it will be endlessly humorous to watch V-Mart try to catch Tim Wakefield
I will like to see that.
oh yeah i forgot wake is coming back!
Unless we win on a Walk-Off Bunt!!!11
you just can’t predict baseball
[/sterling’d
I think I consistently will not predict baseball. It’s too early.
/Joe Morgan’d
Game 2 of the 1996 ALDS vs the Rangers!!
Interesting viewpoint that I hadn’t thought of. Everyone has been arguing that Swisher is a good hitter so he shouldn’t bunt, except we are talking about Swisher’s overall body of work. His splits this season are very significant and he has been pretty awful at home so that might have factored into Girardi’s decision too.
Peace, Ian.
pettite bringin teh cuttah tonite!
Ugly.
damn Alex
we needed that play there
Stupid lip of the grass.
Cmon A-rod
I’m gameday-ing–how bad was that?
It was bad.
Way to sit back on your heels ARod.
This man is the HP ump tonight: http://tinyurl.com/clfgpx
Alex’s D has been poor lately. I know he’s not 100%, but I sure hope he gets some rest as we close in on the clinch.
ARod c’mon I want a clean game now
Go Yankees!
cmon andy, get a DP please?
PastadivingTex.
something you NEVER hear i believe
UZR’d
Can I get a DP?
Gah, come on, Andy. Settle buddy.
Aaand if Teixeira isn’t holding the runner that’s an easy out and Pettitte cruises through the first.
And if I didn’t suckle the juice from my Momma’s teet, I wouldn’t have developed as well as I have.
Predetermined outcome is false.
damn. i was hoping for byrd batting cleanup
Really nice Andy, real nice.
well this isn’t good
Soooo not dandy.
Well the inning started nicely…
Channelling the inner joba, are we andy?
nope
man pettite is playing with fire
bases loaded already?
He knows what he’s doing. I have a feeling Pettitte will only need a couple runs tonight.
bullshit calls.
this ump squeezed pettitte on the first to Cruz
so says gameday, but I find gameday to not be very good on calls over the plate but low
DANDAYYYYY
DOUBLE PLAY!
beautiful
ARod redeems himself
You still owe us for last year, Pudge.
Booyah. Thanks Pudgy.
Don’t worry, guys. Andy just wanted Alex to be able to redeem himself.
This is the Pudgelet we remember!!!!!
The 2 out gods don’t hate us!!
Go Offense!!!
no, the 1 one out gods dont hate us. We had only 1 out
I expect 6 runs here.
Read an article by Stark today about Pete Rose and the hall of fame. Do most of you think he should be in the hall of fame? I think Stark summed up my feelings pretty well.
“Me, personally? I would vote for Pete Rose — Pete Rose the baseball player — for the Hall of Fame. I try to remind people all the time that the Hall’s a museum. It’s not the Vatican. So I wouldn’t nominate the Hit King for sainthood. But it seems absurd to me that the man who got the most hits in the history of baseball doesn’t have a plaque with his name on it in the ultimate baseball museum.”
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=4418586
While he’s still alive: no chance.
Posthumously, I’d consider it.
He’s arguably the best hitter of all time. Uhh, yeah, he should be in the HOF.
And he broke the cardinal rule: no betting on baseball.
Obviously he’d be in if it were a question of playing career alone.
It should be the latter, which is where we may disagree.
So betting on baseball doesn’t matter? Should Shoeless Joe be in the Hall?
Betting on baseball does matter, which is why both Rose and Jackson should be banned from the game forever.
However, they shouldn’t be banned from the Hall of Fame. The Hall is not baseball, and baseball is not the Hall.
They impeached Nixon for high crimes and misdemeanors. But he still appears in your textbooks, because his administration DID happen.
Holland’s gameday picture looks like he is 8
he is, in fact, 10
Pitchers ain’t getting that low strike call.
eh its borderline but mostly ball. Andy didnt get one in the zone though.
Yeah, it seems like he’s cutting the zone off right below the knees.
I heard Holland is making this start on extra rest; he was gassed from throwing in the Little League World Series.
Jeter will go 3-3 in his next 3 AB after that out. Book it.
Droppin’ that shoulder instead of the bat head, Swish!
Derek Holland, 25th round draft pick.
Yeah I would love me some Derek Holland on the Yankees. WDLR perhaps, one day?
In your dreams.
Wow.
He basically pulled a Joba/IPK in 2008 out of community college.
omg, shut up Ken singleton! shut up!
cmon tex, we need people on base
He’s this many!…
*holds up hand*
repliedto wrong post, I FAIL!
C’mon Kenny, you played for Earl Weaver who detested the bunt more than Billy Beane. You should know better!!
+1
Earl Weaver used to make Singy sac bunt to move guys into scoring position for Eddy Murray.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YKxf3OkpJc (bad language alert)
LMFAO. Ive heard that before, fuckin hilarious.
goddamn, this guy is actually good. unlike millstone errr millwood
It’s just one inning. No need to get ahead of ourselves.
Imagine how many stolen bases the Sox will get off the Sox tonight. Wakefield pitching to Martinez.
A base-stealing orgy???
alrght guys, you have to make the guy work, lets at least see 4 pitches per AB first
We drafted Chris Davis, master of strikeout, quite some time ago, I believe.
Yessir, out of high school. 2004 or 2004, one of those years.
so i am guessing 2004 with those choices…
Indeed, pick #1496, in the 50th round of the 2004 draft. We also drafted Daniel Bard. Crazy!
in ’04, 50th round
this is the chris davis we remember and love
great minds. great, great minds…
And right on cue, he strikes out.
that’s the chris davis I know and love
whoa…check 2 comments above yours
I know!
Peace, Chris (not that it’s all that hard to strike him out).
Weird, Chris Davis strikes out
haha i would take you to be serious, but i bet you are kiddin
Makes Ryan Howard look like Placido Polanco.
Dusty Nipples tomorrow!
Wake hasn’t even thrown a ball yet, they’re fouling off everything.
damn it with the reply button….
Nippert’s a squirrely lookin’ mother fucker isn’t he?
wait. is pudges DHing? I heart Ron Washington
Mike Maddux is like the Jason Varitek of pitching coaches.
If I were Mike Pelfrey I’d be nervous as shit right now. Mets are dropping like flies.
+34
He’s gonna choke on his mouth piece.
As I said earlier, that team is the Final Destination of injuries. Pelfrey and K-Rod are next.
Does that mean David Wright saved them from a bus crash in spring training?
he must feel like the main character from Drag Me to Hell. Nowhere to go!
good job pettite
So, I don’t quite understand that Banquet Beer ad. Are the names of those towns/cities supposed to be…impressive? Gritty? I don’t get it; but maybe I’m just dumb.
The ESPN2 announcer just said that he guarantees that the home plate umpire will be right 99.9% of the time tonight (even if ARod disagrees). That would means he won’t miss a single call tonight… I’m gonna have to go ahead and disagree there.
why would he say that?
Lack of intelligence is the only thing that I can come up with.
he already has one missed call (1st pitch to Cruz)
Personally, I’d like to do away with umpires. WE HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY!
i guarantee 99.9% of ESPN announcers have absolutely no clue what they’re talking about (looking at you morgan, miller, phillips, sutcliff)
a-rod gets the offense going
No, he’s just passing the baton.
true dat
hehe I was typing how Holland has a no-no…thanks A-rod
a no-no? It’s the 2nd inning!
it was supposed to be a jinx
I had an argument with a buddy of mine who said A-Rod was just a .260 singles hitter now. I had to literally walk away from him.
The odd thing is, A-Rod has never been a big producer of non-2B XBH.
I clearly meant “non-HR”. He’s never really hit a ton of doubles.
True. I noticed that as well when I was looking at his numbers one day. It seems like if he puts his good swing on it, it’s leaving the park.
singles hitter with 22 HRs and a 509 slug?
How are you friends with that person?
DAMN, MAtsui is teh hot shit. More like BATsui!!!
AMI RITE???
/leaves
Well, his IsoP is about 30 points below his career number (it’s still over .200. Ha, I love A-rod).
As FatAbe said, “The power hasn’t come back fully yet — and maybe it never will.” It’s a fucking joke. Hey Pete, we should flat out release him, right?
Well, he’s not hitting with as much power as he has in the past. So he’s gone from scary, ridiculous power to well-above-average power.
He’s still a valuable player, even if he never posts another 2007-esque season.
I think people are ridiculous who think this is the way he’s going to be for the rest of his career now and don’t bother to take his hip injury into account. I think Alex is a supreme athlete and we should hopefully see a few great seasons from him yet. He’ll regress of course, but I don’t think he’ll decline as sharply as some players (David Ortiz I’m looking at you).
On the runway and ready to fly! Smooth Singleton.
Matsui has two bombs off this kid, so I’m predicting an 0-4 due to the vagaries of baseball.
Nice reverse jinx
hmm…bunt with posada?
Genius
home run? pfft…he should have bunted
no DP Posada
Matsui is a monster!
Bunt!!
POSADA!!!!!!
Jorge!!!
That works!
Bandbox.
YAY!
JOPO!!!
3-0!
Wow he fustigated the ball!
Shoulda bunted!!! haha Jorge is the shit.
Jorge is unimpressed with the distance of the wall in center field.
Hip Hip…
Man does he kill texas!?
The pitchers still hate him.
Bandbox!!!!
Paul O’Neill is a genius.
A GENIUS.
so is Jorge, he cleared the bases for Robbie
Great Singleton/Cone back and forth there.
Working on my Jack Nicholson..
always sitting back and waiting for the 3 run HR
/haters
Remember when Joe P. wanted to bench Posada tonight because Molina would be facing a lefty? LOL!
Joe P? Joe Pepitone?
Joe Paterno?
Joe Posnanski?
Michael Young: I wish I still played short.
The Joker’s in the house.
Heath Ledger is dead you MONSTER! Terrible joke.
Oh, it’s Jack Nicholson in a purple shirt. I’m running a little behind here. I apologize for calling you a monster.
Heath Ledger? I certainly hope not
/zombie’d
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Hairston was swinging for Monument Park on that one.
/misses the old stadium.
feh–Ortiz just tied it up in Boston
Well there you go.. the boston bandbox is in full effect tonight
1-1
Singy is the freakin man, perfectly executed little one liner about Jack bein able to handle the truth because the truth is the yanks are up 3-0. Kay would STILL be patting himself on the back if he came up with anything remotely as clever as that
That wasn’t clever at all.
Jeter is a good teacher
Hairston OBPing
Paul McCartney looks terrible.
Well, his ex took him to the cleaners.
+1
His face looks like a leather handbag.
Let’s win one for Ted Kennedy tonight.
um. wouldn’t he have been a sox fan?
He was a huge Sox fan. That’s why it was ironic. But nevermind now lets just win.
irony? really?
Yes really.
ok i should clarify. That’s not ironic.
um. wouldn’t he have been a sox fan?
Kennedy was a master of reaching across the aisle and forging consensus. Sure, he was a Sox fan, but I’m sure he didn’t hate the Yankees, he found common ground with them.
/stumpspeech’d
I’m as diplomatic as possible with everything, but I truly hate the Red Sox.
aight jeter
lets go
Melky stinks more than a stale fish now
damn jeter, even i knew he would throw a strike down the middle
Damnit, Joe, you scared away Makavelli by outing him as Axl. I haven’t heard a peep from him since you dropped the hammer.
He was doing so well. You brute.
When? I want to
seeread that.hey does anyone know if there is like a specific amount of time between half innings? like is it 5 mins between innings?
I’m convinced Yankee games take longer on average because there are more ads between innings than other teams
I think it’s 2 or 2 and a hlaf minutes. I could also be completely making that up.
Eight pitches, I believe.
TSJC, I’m pretty sure you’re a political junkie. Are you watching the Mayoral debate?
I’m keeping an eye on it.
It’s pretty moot, though. Unlike how the Yankees “buy” championships, Mike Bloomberg has already bought this election.
OH SNAP!
I can’t wait til the elections are over ’cause I think if I see one more NJ Gov. political ad, I’m going to run myself through with a ball point pen.
I’ve been convinced: I’m going to watch what Matt ACTY/BBD does, not what Matt ACTY/BBD says.
Haha.
My mother constantly complains about both candidates even though the race will have barely an effect on our lives (though my GF lives in NJ so I guess it kind of affects me).
Yeah seriously, who is running against him?
Comptroller Bill Thompson is the most “somebody” amongst the cavalcade of nobodies.
I like Thompson, too, but I’d put his odds of winning at somewhere around Bobby Jindal’s chances of snagging the 2012 GOP nomination.
You mean this guy?
http://tinyurl.com/mc2h2k
Is Dominic Carter out of the closet?
If not, that tie of his is as good as a profile on Adultfriendfinder in the Gay section.
That’s just mean, but I laughed.
And as for your first question of “Are you a political junkie?”
The other day, I was wondering to myself if I should copyright the phrase “Wonk if you’re horny” for undetermined future purposes.
Ha COney is the man. Him and Sing together are the shit.
Always loved Kenny, and Coney has really grown on me.
stop. walking. the. number. nine. batter
A leadoff walk to the #9 hitter. Someone shoot me….
:shoots:
now you cant post for the rest of the day
I was planning on taking a nap….
lol
We turn some legit double plays.
…well, never mind. you still shouldn’t walk the leadoff batter
woohoo I love watching DPs
After last Sunday’s Mets game, they seem to fall short for some reason.
eh that was 100% luck, most double plays are harder because theres so many more variables
are harder than that triple play,
Peace, Michael.
Every time the Rangers are on ESPN Sutcliffe talks about how unselfish and team oriented Michael Young is for switching position completely ignoring the fact that he threw a hissy and demanded a trade for a week or two when he was asked to move to third. I hate Rick Sutcliffe.
I’m sure he was no where to be found when A-Rod moved to 3B for Jeter, but I guess that’s different scenarios.
that was Jeter being selfish, not A-rod being a team player
In fairness to Young, he’s moved around more than an orphan.
Sutcliffe is allergic to facts.
I wonder if part of him wants to bunt for a base hit to prove he can get the bunt down?
The Count
The Orphan is a great movie.
Fantastic.
A-Rod with the steal. Now he needs three days off for the hip.
Steals like a 1b too.
Alex is too good.
AGHHH!!!!
fucking andrus. fuckity fuck
Wheels!
the hell was that?
…A-Rod, why?
ah cmon A-rod!
there goes one potential run
Nice play, Elvis.
I want to yell at A-Rod, Thompson, someone, but holy shit was that some kind of play by Andrus.
Dang did Thompson wave him in?? I wish we had a view of it.. ugh
man that sucked, however who wouldve thought he gets to that ball?
Hahaha arod, I knew that was gonna happen as soon as it was fielded.
That was a pretty good play.
Don’t blame Arod blame the windmill at third base!
I hate getting thrown out at home.