Apr
17

Game 17: The New Schilling

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In the recent past, there was no Red Sox pitcher more fun to rough up than Curt Schilling. Every time that loud mouth took the hill, all I’d think was, “Please, A-Rod, take him deep.” (This in light of Schilling’s comments three and a half years ago.)

But with Schilling on the DL for at least half — and possibly all of — the season, we need a new whipping boy. Enter Josh Beckett. If we’re going to pick on a Red Sox pitcher, it might as well be their best one. We did get to him for 13 runs in 26.2 innings last year, and 21 runs in 20 innings in 2006. He wasn’t exactly at his best last time out, either, giving up 3 runs in 6.2 IP just five days ago.

One can only pray that Moose pitches like he did on Saturday. The last thing we need right now is another long performance from the bullpen. You figure Albaladejo, Traber, and Farnsworth could each go an inning (maybe two for Alb), plus Mo — though I wonder what kind of shape his arm is in after appearing in two straight games and warming up for a third. I guess we’ll see in the later innings.

No Matsui today. Looks like Girardi has set his rotation and is sticking with it. Matsui doesn’t have great career numbers against Beckett, though I doubt that was a consideration in this decision.

Your lineup:

1. Johnny Damon, LF
2. Derek Jeter, SS
3. Bobby Abreu, RF
4. Alex Rodriguez, 3B
5. Jason Giambi, 1B
6. Jorge Posada, DH
7. Robinson Cano, 2B
8. Melky Cabrera, CF
9. Chad Moeller, C

And on the mound, number thirty-five, Mike Mussina.

And those damn Red Sox:

Ellsbury
Pedroia
Ortiz
ManRam
Youkilis
Drew
Varitek
Casey
Lugo

Categories : Game Threads

156 Comments»

  1. Dave P. says:

    Schilling is such a fuckhole.

    • Jamal G. says:

      Perfect comment.

      Also what’s funny is that in light of his recent “I wont play for the Yankees ever. Let’s PAHRTY!” comments, every reporter on Earth is saying the exact same thing…”Mother Fucker, they don’t want you!”. LoL, what a douche.

      Here are my top 3 most hated Red Sox (in order):

      1. Curt Schilling
      2. Jason Varitek
      3. Jonathan Papelbon
      *Dustin Pedroia

      *-Most hated fairy like creatures.

      I actually happen to be big fans of Manny and Ortiz, but that’s just a Latino rooting for their own sort of thing. Besides them I guess Terry Franconca would have to be the only other Red Sox non-player I like other than Mr. Bill James.

      • Dave P. says:

        my top 3.

        1. Schilling
        2. Schilling
        3. Schilling

        • DanElmaleh says:

          1. Youk-a-dickless (so damn smug)
          2. Fag-a-tek (smug and gay)
          3. That big fat oompah-loompah that hits third (just good and made better by that stupid park and the moron hitting behind him)

          Honorable mention: Paplebutt

          Quickly on the rise: Ped-a-phile

          Shilling is irrelevant, now.

  2. Dave P. says:

    I’m a little Irish, but I can’t stand the jig-dancing Papelbon.

  3. nolan says:

    Pedroia is a rat and youklis reminds of that guy you knew in college… The one who was a fat pussy but pretended his “bulk” was muscle and grew facial hair to look tough…

  4. Dave P. says:

    the fix is on!!!!

  5. Mike A. says:

    Wow, what a crafty veteran. Look at how much Moose is taking off his fastball just so he can locate it better!

  6. Jamal G. says:

    Did Michael Kay just mention David Ortiz and Hall of Fame in the same sentence?

    What the fuck…

    • Chip says:

      Yes, David Ortiz of the “I have 267 career homeruns, no MVPs and don’t bother playing defense” club should definitely be in the Hall of Fame. If Edgar Martinez can’t get into the Hall (which I don’t think he should) how do people really think Ortiz is going to get in? Maybe it’s because he’s just so “clutch”

  7. TurnTwo says:

    just making sure you guys get your due… from today:

    Doug (NY): Yankees Low A affiliate, the Charleston RiverDogs are 12-1. Any names on that team we should file away for promotion to the big club in say, 2011 or 2012?

    Keith Law: Isn’t Montero there? Mike over at RiverAveBlues mentioned to me that Montero had the game-winning hit in three or four games in a row.

  8. Chip says:

    Fuck you Manny

  9. TurnTwo says:

    and can we stop pitching to Manny, finally, please? seriously now?

  10. Jamal G. says:

    Not bad plan, just bad location.

  11. Yankee1010 says:

    Um, Moose, I think we’d all prefer if you didn’t groove your BP fastball to Manny. Thanks.

  12. Chip says:

    Why doesn’t Mussina just IBB him everytime up?

  13. Manimal says:

    If first base is occupied, put him there. Why cant Melky grow a couple inches.

  14. Chip says:

    Where are all of the people in the “Joba should be in the pen” fan club? After watching another Moose “fastball” get hit out, I can’t wait until Joba is where he belongs in the rotation. I don’t even care if he’s any better, I’d rather see a 96 mph heater than a 85 mph one.

    • Manimal says:

      The transition to rotation wont be a quick one, he will have to go to the minors and get used to pacing his pitching and not throwing 100mph, more like 96.

      • Chip says:

        I completely agree that it won’t be a perfect transition and I’m sure he will struggle but at least he can go after guys rather than try to catch strikes on the corners.

        And we’ve seen before that Joba doesn’t need a 100 mph fastball to get guys out. Last year I saw him throw a 96 mph fastball by somebody for strike 2 and then drop a 74 mph curve that had him falling over himself. That’s pitching if you ask me not this throw junk and hope they don’t hit it hard stuff

  15. Jamal G. says:

    God Damn is Kevin Youkilis one creepy son of a bitch.

  16. Chip says:

    BTW, how does gameday decide which pitches are which? I don’t think I’ve heard of a 67 mph splitter that breaks 17 inches. Is it just a monkey bashing a keyboard?

  17. mustang says:

    Can someone just knock Manny down. Just to send a message.

    • Manimal says:

      I bet money its either Bruney/Albie.

    • Yankee1010 says:

      It definitely isn’t going to be Mussina. He hasn’t moved anyone off the plate as a Yank and he’s not going to start doing it now. When he was in Baltimore, he got hurt after retaliating for one of his teammates. He hasn’t thrown at guys since.

  18. Ivan says:

    Is it me, or this talk about Moose/Girardi walking Manny and this and that is just beaing a dead horse that is getting annoying.

    • kris says:

      I watched that game. He wasn’t throwing much harder back then. His fastball was like 89-90. But he could really hit his spot.

  19. Jamal G. says:

    That call just now on the Giambi out was Sterling-esque, relax Mr. Kay.

  20. mustang says:

    The one thing I must give Clemens, Manny would of hit the floor by now.

    • Manimal says:

      Pettite+Ortiz, IN SPRING TRAINING. I like andy more for sending a message.

    • Dave P. says:

      That’s a load of crap….Clemens never backed Manny off the plate…There was a series in either 02 or 03 where Manny, Ortiz, and Varitek hit like 80 homers off Yankee pitching and Clemens didn’t do shit.

      • Whitey14 says:

        Well, to be fair the Red sox had probably already plunked a couple of yankees in each of those games to initiate warnings. Shrewd strategy, hit a couple early, initiate the warning and don’t give them a chance to throw back at you without getting tossed.

        Well, us Sox fans call it shrewd, you yankee fans probably call it pussy. We’re both right “from a certain point of view”

        • Dave P. says:

          I love Retrosheet. It’s great for these types of discussion. On July 4, 2003 the Red Sox hit seven homers. Two each by Varitek, Mueller, and Ortiz, and one by Manny. On July 5, 2003 the Red Sox take Clemens deep three more times, once by Nixon, twice more by Ortiz. Clemens and his “toughness” plunked Millar in the 3rd inning. I hate to admit it, but for the most part Yankee pitchers have been a bunch of pussies.

          • Whitey14 says:

            Great info Dave, kind of disproves my half-assed theory huh!

            I kind of thought they were pussies, but I figured it was my bias coming through. I do love a pitcher who’s not afraid to pitch inside and knows how to do it. Not a lot of those guys around anymore.

  21. Jamal G. says:

    LoL, do the Yankees not practice pitch outs in ST?

  22. Yankee1010 says:

    Nice to see the Yanks with their 37th ball thrown into right center on a pitchout this year.

  23. Jamal G. says:

    Damn, what’s going on with his location tonight?

  24. Manimal says:

    We better score soon because Moose isn’t doing to great.

  25. Ivan says:

    But Ortiz, your GM said you can handle the trip to Japn.

  26. Manimal says:

    APOCALYPSE! ORTIZ GOT A FIELDERS CHOICE

  27. Manimal says:

    MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSE

  28. Chip says:

    PUT MANNY ON!!

  29. Chip says:

    Why don’t you listen to me Moose?

  30. Manimal says:

    WHAT THE FUCK

    SERIOUSLY, GET THE FUCK OUT MOOSE. YOUR NOT A YANKEE.

  31. Chip says:

    That’s it, I’m out, I can’t take it anymore

  32. gxpanos says:

    i mean, this is getting laughable. even moronic kay knew it.

  33. Jamal G. says:

    Manny really isn’t doing anything special, Moose just keeps missing over the middle of the fucking plate.

  34. Yankee1010 says:

    Yep, Moose. Keep throwing the BP fastballs down the middle of the plate to Manny. That’s an exceedingly great idea. How many times will he run his god damn, stubborn, fucking Stanford-educated, shit-for brains head into that fucking wall?

  35. Ivan says:

    It’s official Manny is not killing the yankees, he’s just killing Moose.

  36. mustang says:

    Ok..Bottom line this asshole needs to get nail.. I’m sorry but enough is enough.

  37. Dave P. says:

    I remember when the Yankees signed Moose in Dec of 2000 and I thought, wow, I can’t believe we’re gonna win a few more championships. I am so sad I was wrong.

  38. bostonsucks@life says:

    For mother fucks sake stop pitching to him. He now has to get thrown at. And yes Youkilis drives a conversion van and has an extensive kiddie porn collection.

  39. gxpanos says:

    also, a couple nights ago I said I liked flaherty in the booth; that’s rapidly changing. it sounds like moose paid him off.

    • Jamal G. says:

      You do know Al Leiter is the one that’s currently defending Moose’s pitch selection. Flaherty is the one who called him stubborn.

      • Adam says:

        Don’t bash Leiter; he’s easily YES’ best color guy. I enjoy him and Orel Hershiser more than any other color men in the business.

  40. Dave P. says:

    Moose is so good.

  41. Jamal G. says:

    No matter what, we need seven more outs from Mussina.

  42. Ivan says:

    It is really tough to watch Moose, becuase you remember his early years with the yanks and how dominate his stuff was.

    Now he’s becoming Paul Byrd.

    By the way, for all the guys who say Joba should be in the pen. Guess what, you are wrong. So what if Joba give us 5 or 6 innings. You gonna get the same with Moose with much less stuff. With Joba, at least he will have games he tap into potential and get guys out.

    • Yankee1010 says:

      But then who would pitch the almighty 8th inning? Why would you focus on so many other innings. The 8th inning is so much more important and pretty.

    • tommiesmithjohncarlos says:

      Wrong.

      Paul Byrd actually won 15 games with a sub 5 ERA and only cost 7M last year. He’s MUUUUUUUUUCH better than Mussina. Must be the HgH.

      Seriously, if there was ever a major leaguer who needed to take some steroids, it’s 2008 Mike Mussina. Get Kirk Radomski and Brian McNamee on the phone.

      • Ivan says:

        He to say that paul Byrd is much better than Moose is ridiculous. Plus, Paul Byrd has been pitching that way for years so he’s acustom of doing it.

        Hey if you wanna say that Byrd is better than moose, fine, but to say that Byrd is much better than is dumb.

  43. Yankee1010 says:

    I would love to see Moose face Manny again in this game. Manny is 4 for his last 4 against Mussina, with 3 HRs and a 2B (would have been a 3B if he had not loafed). What if Mussina just put the first “pitch” on a tee (literally) to keep his pitch count down?

  44. mustang says:

    Moving guys back and knocking them down is part of this game. A forgotten part, but still a part. Maybe if he was a little less comfortable in that batters box he wouldn’t be teeing off.

  45. Ivan says:

    Besides, as a yankee fan, did I really expect to win this game with Moose Vs. Beckett on the Mound? That’s a mismatch right now.

  46. bostonsucks@life says:

    Butter his forehead he is toast. And please take him to the nearest back lot and put moose out of his misery

  47. Jamal G. says:

    Damn his command is lost tonight. Good news is that curve has just great bite to it so it’s not like his stuff is necessarily bad. Sitting 86-87 MPH which is up a couple ticks from earlier so that’s good.

    Hey it’s April, and no matter what happens tonight, we have a winning record.

  48. McLovin says:

    DFA right now

  49. Ivan says:

    Mike has been solid I be fair. He is trying his best and this a huge adjustment for him.

    For the Manny hoopla and stuff, deep down if Moose had his A stuff in his baltimore days, there wouldn’t be n ownership, for crying out loud 7 years ago, he was making Manny his bitch with that perfect game.

    I really am rooting for moose and he’s trying and still think he can be servicable but against teams like the sox is a bad matchup.

    • tommiesmithjohncarlos says:

      Mike has been solid? I assume you mean solidly sub-mediocre.

      We’ve had the Joba Rules… we need the Moose Rules. He’s only allowed to start on seven days of rest, so his arm can be stronger than Chad Pennington. And, he can only start against the Royals, Indians, Athletics, Twins or the National League. Any other lineup is bound to tattoo him.

      Also, we should petition the league to allow us to carry 26 players so we can have an extra long man on the roster, cause Mike can’t go past the 4th.

    • kris says:

      I watched that game. He wasn’t throwing much harder back then. His fastball was like 89-90.

  50. Manimal says:

    He still thinks hes an ace. Which hes not. He has to know his stuff and know his matchups.

    • Ivan says:

      Mussina knows he’s not an Ace trust me. He doesn’t think that way. Point is his stuff isn’t great and it’s an adjustment.

      • Manimal says:

        What I meant was that he is over confident with his pitches.

        • Jamal G. says:

          No he is not, he just lacked command tonight. His two-seam was trailing over the middle of the plate, it’s not like threw it over the plate saying “Here, hit it if you can bitches.”, he just had no command so the ball happened to leak over the middle of the plate where he got smacked.

  51. Manimal says:

    Giambi knows how to kill rallys. Lets see if Posada can pick us up.

  52. Manimal says:

    WOW, manny even thought he was going to get hit. WTF albie, W-T-F.

  53. Charles says:

    hi guys,new here..man,manny is killing yankee pitching..ugh..

  54. Joseph M says:

    Mussina should be a long man out of the pen, even on his good days, which are fewer and fewer, he kills the pen. Joba should have been a starter this season, now the Yanks have to go shopping and see what they can come up with.

  55. Manimal says:

    Im going to bed, this is a joke now.

  56. Jamal G. says:

    PeteAbe, you smart son of a bitch you:

    “This is why they need to transition Joba into the rotation. Starters are more valuable than relievers, it’s that simple. Mussina will not be here next season and Joba will be. He needs to get to 140 innings this season so he can go to 170 in 2009 then 200 in 2010. Limiting him to 70-80 innings this season is a waste of time, literally.”

  57. Charles says:

    This is frustating..

  58. Ivan says:

    Plus, Byrd ERA so far is over 6.

  59. Charles says:

    Damn, Cano just continues to hack at all those pitches..

  60. Charles says:

    Cano should learn the art of walking from Melky.

  61. Ivan says:

    I said it before, I will say it again, it down right dumb of people to say that Joba should be in the pen. DUMB Folks.

    Only in Ny this is an arguement. Hey Zach Greinke did great in the pen, but guess what they still put him in the rotation becuase he’s more valuable there. This should be an arguement. Again you what mussina is. Joba while is unknown, has sick talent and while he will have his bumps, there will games where he taps into that potential and pitch great games.

    So what you get 5 or 6 IP, the same with moose. Regardless, you gonna have three pitchers who will give you mostly 6 IP. If that is the case let that third pitcher be Joba rather than Moose. Let Joba learn the ropes now and get acclimated in the rotation.

  62. Manimal says:

    lmao, Go johnny Go-go-go. I never noticed that ahahaha

  63. Charles says:

    The Captain deliveres. Yet again.

  64. Manimal says:

    Well we cut that lead in half quickly

  65. Manimal says:

    Arod. Please o Please do SOMETHING. This is the time to shine baby.

  66. Manimal says:

    Keep on screaming yanks fans, your getting in his head.

  67. Charles says:

    Bobby! With 2 outs, will A-Rod kill or continue this rally?

  68. Manimal says:

    AROD!!! Your not jeter! Your power comes when you extend your arms, not when you inside-out a pitch!

  69. Manimal says:

    HOLY SHIT that was nasty. It looked like a whiffle ball!

  70. Manimal says:

    Am I talking to myself?

  71. Charles says:

    Off-topic: Jesus with yet 2 more hits and another RBI for Charleston tonight. What a monster!

  72. Mike A. says:

    Finally! Someone made him move!

  73. Manimal says:

    Farnsworth looks sharp AND throws at Manny.

  74. Mike R. says:

    I’m still here. Just not very talkative today.

    • Whitey14 says:

      It’s nights like these that I forget how much I like working 2nd shift. I really despise missing Sox/yanks games on television.
      But then I remember that I really like spending the days with my little girl and it makes it worth it.
      Plus, it means my T.V. screen will last a little longer. I’d hate to have her trying to watch Dora the Explorer in the morning with a gaping remote hole in the boob tube ;-)

      • Mike R. says:

        LMAO. My little girl is 2 weeks old. I am already dreading the day she wants to see Dora or Spongebob while a game is on.

        • Whitey14 says:

          Congratulations Mike, you’re in for a hell of a ride!

          Mine is 19 months old and keeps me smiling all day.

          She has a Red Sox book and likes it read to her at nap time, it’s the “baseball book, baseball book”. Who am I to say no!

          Our first conflict will be the annual Patriots Day game on Monday. I hope she enjoys it ;-)

          • Mike R. says:

            Thanks Whitey. Maybe someday we can sit down, have a cup of coffee and argue which of our daughters is doing a better job as GM of our respective teams. ;)

            Good luck on Patriots day. Hope she loves it as much as her dad.

  75. Charles says:

    1-2-3 inning for Farnsy!

  76. Mac says:

    Farnsy! Damn. That was pretty cool of him.

  77. Jamal G. says:

    HMMMM, looks like there might be a couple of you joining me in the Farnsworth camp.

    I actually missed the pitch to Manny, what the hell happened? I know he threw behind him but how bad was it, as in was there obvious intent?

  78. Jamie says:

    Kay is such a Jeter homer it makes me sick. The guy’s skills are diminishing at short. Don’t conjure excuses for the guy.

  79. Jamal G. says:

    Never mind, just saw a replay of it on Gameday. Farnsworth, this better be the start of something…

  80. Jamal G. says:

    I swear, Pedroia’s body is going t be nothing but mush and bruises by the time he’s 29.

  81. Mike R. says:

    At least our bullpen looked good.

  82. Batty says:

    THE MELK MAN!!!

    This is just going to be a big assed tease isn’t it?

  83. Mike R. says:

    Melky!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

  84. Jamal G. says:

    Who would have ever thought that Melky Cabrera would be the first Yankees player to hit a HR and the first player to hit a HR of Jonathan Papelbon in 2008?

  85. Jamal G. says:

    Fuck you ump.

    Anyways, great day by the bullpen as Farnsworth is looking better and better after Hawkins has been rebounding quite as well. Melky Cabrera continues to have a very good season and we got a couple runs of Jonathan Papelbon, which is always a good thing.

  86. Travis G. says:

    i know it’s old but why do umps never call hitters for standing there who get hit (ellsbury)?
    the rulebook says the batter has to make an effort to avoid it and he certainly did not the 2nd time.

  87. yanks99 says:

    Seriously, can the yankees play that game under protest? That lest call was a joke. If I were the an official in baseball, I would seriously look at gambling issues with that last call and the ump.

  88. Joseph M says:

    I don’t know about anyone else but does it bother people (and I am a big Melky fan) that Melky is celebrating hitting a homer with the team losing in the 9th!

  89. Mike A. says:

    On the bright side, we did score 5 runs off their best two pitchers.

    • Travis G. says:

      i agree. their pitching aint that good. Daisuke is a 100 pitch, 5 inning guy, and beckett has a 5+ era. it just so happens that we have mike mussina unfortunately.

  90. Whitey14 says:

    I despise bringing a closer in in a non-save situation. It’s almost a guarantee they will give up runs. It’s like they don’t know that they can’t pitch themselves into a save situation. Oh well, another fun series, only 13 more of these games to go before they end up at 9-9 or 10-8 overall.
    Be safe, see you later!

  91. Justin says:

    I love how my idiot red sux roommates are so biased that they claim that the last pitch was obviously a strike. If NESN actually showed replays they could have clearly seen that the pitch was in the other batter’s box. But then again, you really didn’t need a replay to realize how horrible a call that was… what a shame too, I was really feeling like we might have done something incredible right there, but then the umpire decided to take things into his own hands and end the game. Not saying that we would have won the game had he not called that strike (obviously), but as a professional ump, you can’t take the bat out of the hitter’s hands in a big moment like that and suddenly decide a pitch 2 feet off the plate is a strike. What a joke.

  92. Giselle says:

    agreed!

  93. Pedro says:

    I really hate that the Yankees and Mussina are so damn stubborn and keep pitching to Manny. Moose has an 85mph FB (when he’s on) that he throws only on the outside part of the plate. That, my friends, is going to end up on the seats everytime if he continues to pitch to Manny. Just throw curveballs on the dirt, hope he chases one, if not, oh well, get the next guy.

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