Game Three: Cy Young, here we come


Could there possibly be any three people more amped up for Phil Hughes‘s 2008 debut than Mike, Ben, and me? Well, maybe this guy (though we haven’t heard from him in nearly a month).

Tonight will be the first of what should be 20-some-odd starts by the 21-year-old. Expectations are sky-high: Keith Law picks him as a Cy Young sleeper (as apparently I did as well with the title), as has Peter Gammons. His spring was solid, not great, so it will be interesting to see how he reacts now that the games count. However, even if he pitches like he did in the spring, I wouldn’t be disappointed. We’re still early on, and as many people pointed out last night, most guys haven’t reached their peak strength yet. And if you’ll remember from last year, Hughes was unimpressive in his first start out for Scranton.

Posada is still out with the sore shoulder. According to Sam Borden via PeteAbe, he might DH tomorrow. Matsui slides into left, apparently breaking himself in for some playing time out there when Melky Cabrera serves his inevitable suspension.

The Yanks face Dustin McGowan tonight, another Law-picked Cy Young sleeper. He certainly has the stuff. Apparently, he was feeling flu-like symptoms yesterday, but will pitch today. Which makes sense — I don’t know of many hangovers that last for two days.

Your lineup:

1. Johnny Damon, DH
2. Derek Jeter, SS
3. Bobby Abreu, RF
4. Alex Rodriguez, 3B
5. Jason Giambi, 1B
6. Robinson Cano, 2B
7. Hideki Matsui, LF
8. Jose Molina, C
9. Melky Cabrera, CF

And on the mound, number thirty-four, Phil Hughes.

Categories : Game Threads


  1. dan says:

    Gammons?!???? picking Hughes???? I’m not an insider, can someone reprint the relevant quote?

    • Joseph P. says:

      1. Justin Verlander, Tigers. He may be in the running every year, but in 2008 13.7 runs of support per start may win 25 games.
      2. Josh Beckett, Red Sox. One man for one game.
      3. Felix Hernandez, Mariners. The rising.
      Also receiving votes: C.C. Sabathia, Roy Halladay, Phil Hughes, Dustin McGowan.

  2. pete c. says:

    Phil hughes will be a fine pitcher, but right is a little early to compare him to someone like Gooden in ’84.

  3. Ben K. says:

    You’re right, Pete. We should until tomorrow to do that :)

  4. Ivan says:

    Seriously though I love Hughes but I seriously doubt he will be in the discussion for a CY Young this year.

    He I think Hughes will breakout next year or the latest in 2010 but in 08 I think he will be solid not great.

  5. Mike A. says:

    It looks like Mr. Hughes brought Uncle Charlie to dinner.

  6. RichYF says:

    Phil Hughes is not serious right now with these breaking balls. Get him out of here before he hurts someone.

  7. Jamal G. says:

    Yea ESPN, we KNOW what we’re going to get from Phil Hughes…bitches.

  8. Number 27 says:

    fuck yes. that was fucking beautiful to watch.

  9. Manimal says:

    Phil Hughes for MVP, Cy Young, and President.

  10. Number 27 says:

    on a side note, with the exception of that triple, damon has looked over matched at the plate.

  11. marc says:

    its shitty weather… its game 3 of 162… lets let the boys get a few weeks in first…

  12. Jamal G. says:

    How did throwing a no hitter in your second Major League start feel like Phil?

    “It honestly just felt like a regular minor league game…”

    Lmao, Hughes is the fucking man.

    • Manimal says:

      hahaha I never heard that.

      Eat that Buccholz.

      BTW, when they replayed his injury last year my dad flipped out because he thought it happened again LOL.

  13. Jamal G. says:

    Ground balls and strikeouts, what else can we ask for (“discount” electronics from Clay Buchholz maybe?).

  14. Mike A. says:

    Remember the name Blue Jays’ hitters, it’s Phil Hughes. You’ll be having nightmares of him later.

  15. marc says:

    Mike A loves Phil… looks like he’s dropped his arm slot… carlos gomez last year asked why he raised it to begin with… should supply some more g/b’s

  16. Mike A. says:

    Please, just stop it with Generation Trey already.

  17. CB says:

    Nice game by Phil so far.

    Interesting note – Baseball Prospectus came out with their preseason AL predictions today.

    Their PECOTA projections model predicted the Yankees to win 97 games and take the division comfortably by 6 games over the Sox.

    In their preview today they came up with their consensus picks based on all of their writer’s selections.

    The consensus wisdom of the crowd over at BP – the Red Sox take the division.

    Despite the overwhelming PECOTA projections favoring the yankees only 4 of the 17 BP writers picked the Yankees (and one was Nate Silver the guy who invented PECOTA).

    A similar thing happened at The Hardball Times – their statistical model predicted the yankees to win the division (by only a game or 2).

    But I believe 14 of their 16 writer’s picked the Sox.

    Tells you what the experts think of their own statistical models. A six game projection advantage is tough to ignore.

  18. RichYF says:

    Which do you prefer to read?



    Wow, I really dislike the name “Generation Trey.” It just sounds awful.

    Both make the same point. One of them makes me sound 11. One makes me sound like an adult. Try using that as a guideline from here on out. Excessive profanity completely diminishes any point you may or may not be making.

  19. Jamal G. says:

    I say Trip Aces was the best name.

    And BTW, Jose Molina is so valuable to this team, and I’m glad that people have noticed that.

    • Mike A. says:

      Yeah, the Trip Aces shirts are very original.

      • eric from morrisania says:

        Big Three = NO
        Three Amigos = NO
        Trifecta = NO
        Trip Aces = Meh…
        The Triumvirate = I like it!
        Generation Trey = FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY, NO…

        Ben, Mike, Joe, seriously, we need a new thread devoted exclusively to everyone coming on and posting at length how unbearably stupid, lame, and horrid “Generation Trey” is. Not only does it sound like something from the mindless TV executives who brought us “Poochie” and “PoliceCops”, but IT DOESN’T EVEN MAKE SENSE!!!

        Let’s look at this. “Generation K”, which is where this thing came from, is a play on words on Generation X and Generation Y, terms derived from sociology and pop culture. If you change it to “Generation Trey”, presumably because simple rhyming is the most original thing you’re capable of, you have to overlook the fact that the “Trey” part applies to the “Generation” part, not to the fact that there’s three of ‘em.

        “Generation Trey” refers to the third generation, not the fact that there’s three good pitchers. There could be one guy in “Generation Trey”. There could be 85 guys in “Generation Trey”. Using it makes you ask stupid questions, like “Who the hell was Generation Deuce and Generation Ace?” Hell, now that Kansas City hired a guy named Trey Hillman, the entire Royals team should be called “Generation Trey”… it would make much more sense.

        And more to the point… Why the HELL would anybody want to be associated, even remotely, with the Mets, Jason Isringhausen, Paul Wilson, or Bill Pulsipher? THOSE GUYS FLAMED OUT AND SUCKED. The only one who had a fairly decent career did it only after failing as a starter. I don’t want that kind of bad mojo anywhere near my Triumvirate.

        Look, I like the stateliness and class of “The Triumvirate”, and i like the fact that I can’t think of another time the term (or something cribbed from it) was previously used in the sports world. But whether you agree with me or not, nobody likes “Generation Trey”. We must use our blogging power for good, and get Michael Kay to stop this insanity.

  20. Jamal G. says:

    To tell you the truth, I would bunt. offense had a hard time geting started last night, and the cold combined with the heat of McGowan is a big negative right now.

  21. Jamal G. says:

    Is that like the fourth DP Jeter has hit into already? God Gamn.

  22. Dave P. says:

    I see this Joe is going to sit around and wait for the 3-run homer too.

  23. Mike A. says:

    Maybe Derek Jeter should stop selling colognes and opening gyms, and focus more on not GIDP’ing to kill rallies so much.

  24. pete c. says:

    I just got back Mike. We might not have to wait that long.

  25. Mike A. says:

    Well that was a cheapy.

  26. Jamal G. says:

    Fairy hit by fairy-like creature.

  27. Rich says:

    Kay is such a freakin’ jinx.

  28. Bruno says:

    That’s why Matsui is a DH.

  29. RichYF says:

    Matsui looks excellent in left.

    Speaking of which, would anyone be on board with Damon getting “injured” within the next 3 months and going on the DL. Gardner or AJax come up and assume the position of CF moving Melky to LF/RF?

  30. Jamal G. says:

    I really, really dislike Alex Rios nowadays. I mean seriously, I just don’t like him anymore.

  31. Rich says:

    Way to support the pitcher, Robbie.

  32. Mike A. says:

    Kei Igawa is throwing a no-hitter for Scranton. Good grief.

  33. Mike A. says:

    A 3-2 yakker? Noice.

  34. Jamal G. says:

    LMAO at Frank Thomas’ “Hey WTF you doing” look.

  35. Rich says:

    Phil Franchise!!!

  36. RichYF says:

    Thomas just got schooled so bad he’s trying to argue to save face. LOL, what a terribaddie.

  37. Jamal G. says:

    Frank you dumb ass, now we get to IBB Wells later on.

  38. Dave P. says:

    Where was that pitch to the Big Hurt?

    • ceciguante says:

      the pitch was a bit inside, hughes got a call there. there’s something about a pitch that hits its target…even when it’s off the plate a bit, it seems real tempting to call as a strike. yanks caught a break.

  39. Number 27 says:


  40. Jamal G. says:

    Hey all you Eric Duncan haters out there, he’s 2-for-2 with an RBI triple. Yeah, what I said…BREAK OUT YEAR (for the 3rd year in a row, LoL).

  41. paulie does have a point though…

  42. Jamal G. says:

    Not only is Igawa throwing a no-no, but he’s throwing a perfecto with a 3:1 K:B ratio.

  43. Jamal G. says:

    Kei Igawa, perfect through 5 on 51 pitches, 37 for strikes.

  44. BobMikki says:

    Girardi needs to take , Giambi out of the game he looks overmatched. Why not give Shelley a shot?

  45. Jamal G. says:

    Dellin Betances pitching for Charleston tonight is dominating.

    4.0, 1 hit, 1 run/earned run, 0 walks, and 7 strike outs. He has given up a solo shot.

    • ansky says:

      cant wait to see him at the joe all season. Riverdogs will be a fun team to watch. Montero, Romine, Angelini, you name it.

  46. i revoke kay’s right to say “pesky”

  47. Jamal G. says:

    Ecksteing is pissing me off, to cheap ass hits that led to both runs.

  48. ansky says:

    ugh…the outmatched/underperforming Yank offense cant afford innings like this

  49. Dave P. says:

    He’s like a gloried Umpa-Lumpa.

  50. ceciguante says:

    a-rod has to make that play on eckstein’s grounder. just too much slop in the field for the yanks so far in these games.

  51. Jamal G. says:

    If anyone cares, a strained muscle ha sidelined Mike Hampton for tonight’s start. Damn guy.

  52. BobMikki says:

    They pulled Igawa after 6 perfect innings for Scott Patterson.

  53. Jamal G. says:

    Did Hughes just hit 95 or is YES’ gun acting up again?

  54. Bruno says:

    Well Damon shut me up.

  55. Jamal G. says:

    Yeah, who’s washed up? Relax guys, 3rd game of the season.

  56. ansky says:

    heres another good start. Lets get him home!!

  57. Bruno says:

    Actually, Abreu would probably leadoff, but it’s all moot now.

  58. Jamal G. says:

    Rick Porcello dominated our lovable Tampa Yanks over five scoreless innings, gave up one hit, struck out 3, and walked 2. He was pulled after five.

  59. Bruno says:

    MVP moment coming up here…

  60. RichYF says:

    Well, we’ve had ~10 gidps so far this year.

    What say ye to a gitp? A-Rod is the man to do it imo.

  61. Jamal G. says:

    VAYA Rodirguez!!

  62. ansky says:

    Here we go!!

    Lets make this a big inning!!

    ps–is McGowan playing with his retainer or am i crazy?

  63. Jamal G. says:

    LoL at A-Rod holding the runners at first.

  64. Jamal G. says:

    Come on, 2 more runs. Hughes deserves a shot at a W.

  65. Jamal G. says:

    Damn Abreu, with Cano coming up too?

  66. Jamal G. says:

    Final line on Betnaces, 5.0 innings, 3 hits, 2 runs/earned runs, 2 BBs, 8 Ks, and a solo HR. He had a shaky final frame, giving up 2 hits, 2 BBs, and a earned run with a K, but he did finish the inning so that’s good.

  67. Jamal G. says:

    LoL, I abuse that Traber curve in MLB 08 The Show.

  68. Rich says:


  69. Alan says:

    Traber with a big out, here comes Bruney!

  70. Bruno says:

    In ’06, we were wondering how ARZ let Bruney go. In ’07 we found out for ourselves. Hopefully he’s one of those “every-other-year” guys. LOL

  71. CB says:

    The future of baseball tonight – Johnny Cueto debuted with 5 no hit innings and the no no got broken up by Justin Upton taking Cueto yard.

  72. BobMikki says:

    It may only be 3 games in, but the Yanks pen is looking pretty pretty good.

  73. Jamal G. says:

    Looks like first Hughes to Chamberlain bridge of the season, cool.

  74. eric from morrisania says:

    I’m not watching (in class), but following along on ESPN GameCast… but, was Phil laboring? I mean, only 87 pitches through six innings, 4K’s, and it’s a tie game with the bottom of the order up for the top of the 7th… Why’d Girardi tke him out?

    Are we really that afraid of Lyle Overbay?

    • Bruno says:

      Innings limits. It’s only his 1st start.

    • Manimal says:

      I think Joe wanted to test Traber in the Majors.

      And no Phil was cruising except that one inning where he got a little bumpy.

    • BobMikki says:

      Every member of the big three is on a pitch count , so I guess Hughes reached his limit.

      • Bruno says:

        Exactly. 90 was probably the magic number, so you don’t start an at-bat with 87 and your LOOGY warm.

        • eric from morrisania says:

          Having an innings limit and a pitch limit is one thing. Being crazy about it is another. It’s not like if Phil throws 140 innings he’ll be fine, and if he throws 141, his arm will fall off.

          Seems to me, if he’s not laboring, the potential benefit of giving him the seventh and letting him pick up a potential win, especially since his pitch count is so low and he’s looked good, outweighs the negative of resigning him to an ND and giving the inning to Traber/Bruney. We all know he’s not going to pitch the 8th… what’s the real difference between 6 IP/87 pitches and 7 IP/100 pitches?

  75. Bruno says:

    JOBA for Cy Young.

  76. Mike A. says:

    Joba like it’s hot!

  77. Manimal says:

    I have conlcuded something.

    The back ups to Matsui (Brett Gardner)and Giambi(Duncan) will preform better than them. Brett Gardner would be beastly as a 8-9-1 inning and Duncan will just be himself bringing some energy that matsui doesnt bring(in english anyways)

  78. Mac says:

    Someone please shut Kay up. Please. For God’s Sake.

  79. Bruno says:

    That’s the answer to Rios, JOBA!

  80. Jamal G. says:

    What the hell happened between Yankees fans and Hideki Matsui? Seriously, what the hell did he do to you people. Every year he has played a full season he has given you 100 RBI. Now all of a sudden he’s washed up and we’re looking at Brett Gardner and others to take over?

    • BobMikki says:

      Yeah, I don’t get it either, he’s the most consistent player on the Yankees, but we almost traded him for Johnathan Sanchez.

      • eric from morrisania says:

        He’s the most consistent player on the Yankees who happens to be so bad defensively, there’s no place to put him in the field without him costing us a game or two. There’s an abbreviation for that… it’s called a DH.

        I don’t think Yankee fans have a problem with Matsui, Giambi, or Damon… we just wish we only had ONE of them, and not THREE.

  81. Manimal says:

    Come on offense, DO SOMETHING.

  82. Jamal G. says:

    I’m not saying it should happen but does anyone think a Duncan/Ensberg PH might be in order?

  83. Manimal says:

    hahahahahah my brother just said Scott Down Syndrome

  84. Jamal G. says:

    Come on jeter, follow in Damon’s fottsteps.

  85. Ben K. says:

    That was a decidedly bad call at first base.

  86. Manimal says:

    I know as a yankee fan I’m going to think the Umps are trying to murder the yankees but COME ON, lately they have been very inconsistent.

  87. Manimal says:

    Alex needs to go back to that “Line drives” thing.

  88. Jake T says:

    Why is Giambi hitting?
    He certainly isn’t going to go play 1st base next inning so why not bat Shelly and then put Betemit in at first?

  89. Bruno says:

    If CANO hits a GS I called it….

  90. Jake T says:

    I don’t care that he got hit. It was still stupid.

  91. Jamal G. says:

    Yeah Giambi, keep that OBP up!

  92. Manimal says:

    When is Girardi going to use Duncan? When Giambi is in the hospital bed?

  93. Jamal G. says:

    Why wouldn’t Giambi play 1B in the 9th after doing so in Games 1 & 2? Who is better defnsively at 1B on the Yanks 25-man right now?

  94. Manimal says:

    AHHH the end of the bat =[

    So yeah, I’d say betemit and Duncan are better.

    • Bruno says:

      Duncan’s got a better arm and MAYBE more range, but Giambi’s not that bad with the glove. Especially at scooping throws out of the dirt. But I’d still rather have Betimit there.

      • Manimal says:

        Giambi definately picks balls better(LOL you know what I mean) than duncan but throwing and fielding Duncan gets the edge IMO.

  95. Jamal G. says:

    Why are you guys acting like this is the Thome v. Howard situation? There’s a reason Duncan made his MLB debut at 28. He nor Betemit is that much greater than Giambi at 1B. Also, have you quickly forgotten Giambi’s healthy 2006?

    • Bruno says:

      Like I said, solid with the glove at 1st, especially at scooping ball out of the dirt. Just don’t ask him to turn a 3-6-3, Damon better be ready in LF.

  96. Manimal says:


    I HAVE to listen to Enter the sandman with Mariano pitching

  97. Jamal G. says:

    Damn that scared me, thought it was ticketed up the middle.

  98. Manimal says:

    That was a slick move by Mo.

  99. Bruno says:

    ??? Where was that???

  100. Rich says:


  101. RollingWave says:

    what is good pitching thing… seems so foreign to me

  102. Jamal G. says:

    Yessir, Go Yankees. Hughes looked great, SWB had a one-hit shutout, and the bullpen has been good thus far.

  103. BobMikki says:

    Another typical Yankee win.

  104. Manimal says:

    When he snapped at the ball then did the little karate kick

  105. Mike A. says:

    That was pretty funny. During the postgame interview Abreu was like “they got some good pitching with Halladay, the guy from yesterday, the guy from today…”

  106. Rich says:

    What’s up with Melancon being pulled from his game?

  107. GoYankees says:

    WooHoo… what a game! A nail biter and the Yanks win another pitchers duel. Two for two in one-run games.

  108. Mike A. says:

    Bob Lorenz said he can’t remember the last time he saw a time bunt with back-to-back batters. He obvious does not watch baseball.

  109. Rob says:

    I’d just like to point out that Melky is leading the team in OPS (1.194). Abreu is second (1.083) :)

    • RollingWave says:

      it’s just 3 games… though both of them started off last year looking like single A hitters.. so that’s a good sign that they look like they’re ready right off the start

  110. Bruno says:

    Just to make a point:

    ” eric from morrisania says:
    April 3rd, 2008 at 9:37 pm (Reply)

    Having an innings limit and a pitch limit is one thing. Being crazy about it is another. It’s not like if Phil throws 140 innings he’ll be fine, and if he throws 141, his arm will fall off.

    Seems to me, if he’s not laboring, the potential benefit of giving him the seventh and letting him pick up a potential win, especially since his pitch count is so low and he’s looked good, outweighs the negative of resigning him to an ND and giving the inning to Traber/Bruney. We all know he’s not going to pitch the 8th… what’s the real difference between 6 IP/87 pitches and 7 IP/100 pitches?

    Bruno says:
    April 3rd, 2008 at 11:30 pm (Reply)

    It’s April 3rd. Those 7/100 games add up to = Prior/Wood.”

    • Manimal says:

      what’s the real difference between 6 IP/87 pitches and 7 IP/100 pitches?

      well, 1 inning and 13 pitches.

      Don’t count out that Phil told Joe that he is losing his stuff.

    • eric from morrisania says:

      Bruno- Not quite.

      A) Just because I’m saying Phil should have gone 7 and 100 here doesn’t mean that I’m saying that he’ll go 7 and 100 every time. Not all starts are the same, and next week or the week after, maybe he’ll get pulled in the 5th, or not be as sharp and only throw 84 pitches. It’s not deterministic – just because he does it here doesn’t mean he’ll do it every single time.

      B) Manimal said it best – it’s just 1 inning and 13 pitches. It’s not the end of the world. (In either direction). But, for 1 inning and 13 pitches, I’d rather show my ace of the future that I have the confidence in him to handle Lyle Overbay, Aaron Hill, and Marco Scutaro in the seventh inning of a tie game.

      C) Go back and check the gamelogs of Wood and Prior.
      The problem is not that they’re going 7 and 100 with regularity. It’s that they’re going 8 and 131, or 7 and 141, or 9 and 130 with regularity. I’m all for protecting young arms with innings caps or pitch counts, but there’s a big difference between riding a young arm until it breaks and conditioning a young arm to be able to go deep into games. Prior and Wood were abused with regularity. 7 innings and 100 pitches is a far cry from abuse.

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