Game 116: A Fresh Start

Open Thread: To re-sign or not to re-sign?
DotF Lite: Pope killed, but Tampa thrashes the Threshers

Just over two years ago the Yanks spent the 21st overall pick in the draft on a polished college arm out of USC, one Mr. Ian Patrick Kennedy. The smallish righthander wasn’t your prototypical electric stuff guy, he was a high probabilty four pitch command guy that repeated his delivery like a robot. He was one of the unsexiest yet safest picks in the class.

Kennedy proved to be worth the pick his first full season as a professional baseball player, going 12-3 with a 1.91 ERA & 0.96 WHIP across three levels before being named Minor League Pitcher of the Year by milb.com, as well as Minor League Player of the Year by us here at RAB. He earned a September call-up and thrived in the shadow of Joba Chamberlain, twirling 19 innings of 236 ERA+ ball during the stretch run, including this gem up in Toronto. Baseball America rated him the 45th best prospect in the game during the offseason, and grabbed the sponsorship for his B-Ref page.

Kennedy was sidelined by a strain in his right lat-muscle for over a month this year, but has since returned to form during his rehab stint. Climbing the ladder from the Rooklie level GCL to Triple-A Scranton, Kennedy basically repeated his 2007 performance, posting a sub-2.00 ERA (1.99) and a sub-1.00 WHIP (0.88). He allowed 4 runs in his last 27 IP, including a near 7-inning no-hitter, before the Yanks once again called his name. Back home in front of friends and family tonight in Anaheim, Kennedy will look to stabilize a Yankee rotation plagued by injury and ineffectiveness.

Everyone deserves a second chance now and then. Kennedy starts fresh tonight.

Damon LF
Jeter SS
Abreu DH
Rodriguez 3B
Giambi 1B
Nady RF
Cano 2B
Cabrera CF
Molina C

Kennedy P

Notes: You want a good omen for tonight? Well here’s one: the only other time tonight’s starters (IPK & Jered Weaver) faced off was this game back in 2004, the first time Kennedy ever pitched for USC … if that’s not a sign of Kennedy starting off fresh tonight, nothing is … Hideki Matsui felt no pain in his knee after working out yesterday, a good sign … in case of chest hair emergency, pull tab quickly and back away … sorry folks, no DotF tonight (life interrupts blogging sometimes), so here’s the scoreboards for AAA, AA, A+, A-, SS & Rk … you can get to the box scores from there …

Open Thread: To re-sign or not to re-sign?
DotF Lite: Pope killed, but Tampa thrashes the Threshers
  • Manimal

    Personally, I think IPK’s problem is all in his head. Don’t over think and challenge the hitter, most of the time he can’t beat your best pitch, especially if its set up correctly. Avoid high in the zone with offspeed and hes good to go.

  • Manimal

    Turns out Ivan is out, hope its not more than just a nasty bruise.

  • Chip

    About time you all took a night off! I’m missing the game due to an emergency work trip (the video board is having issues at the Colt’s new Lucas Oil stadium and has to be fixed by Monday) so I fly out in 6 hours, go Yankees!

  • Jeremy

    Good luck to IPK. Wow em in Anaheim!

    • B

      One word to seeing this pitcher in the major league rotation again: YUK!

  • jint51

    this is great site… just came across it recently. thanks for keeping us up on all things yankees.

    • http://www.myspace.com/lincolnsworld Link

      welcome!

  • mustang

    Nice thread, but you forgot to put the reason why he is on his second chance.
    LOL

    I wish the kid luck they really need for him to pitch well.

    • Steve H

      I think he’s been humbled, was injured, and learned a lot. Remember how good he was during his call-up last year? I think he was carefree, trusted himself, and just pitched. I think all of the offseason stuff, the Santana situation, and then the pressure got to him early. Time for him to just pitch like he’s capable.

      • mustang

        I hope your right I’m pulling for him his success is the Yankees success and that’s the bottom line.

  • Batty

    Wow – nice having a live performance to kick off a baseball game. Wonder what that would sound like at home games…

    • Joe

      who?

  • Samsonov KGB

    anyone watching the olympics? GO RUSSA!

    • Steve H

      If you’re going to root for them, at least spell it right.

      • Manimal

        seriously everyone knows that greece is going to win at Basketball

      • Samsonov KGB

        lol RUSSIA……….

  • Steve H

    Sox just closed to 4-3 on a Pedroia 3r homer. Crossing my fingers for Chicago’s pen to pull through.

  • Joey H

    i like what hes doing. moving in and out.

    • Manimal

      And different speeds.

  • Joey H

    ok not much has changed…

  • mustang

    this could get scary fast

  • Manimal

    Fuck, That was all Melky’s, Damon shouldnt have gone near it

    • Joey H

      they both would have ran out of room reguardless

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      If that’s actually Melky’s ball, then he’s gotta be under it like Damon was. Melky’s clearly in there only for his defense, and if he can’t even do that, then get him out of there.

  • Will

    fuck. baseball tonight and sport center are going to replay that 30 times.

  • mustang

    I’m sorry it’s only the first but see nothing new about IPK.

    • Manimal

      Except hes working the count and his curve looks sharper

    • Joop

      He threw one bad pitch the entire inning.

    • mustang

      Guys come on are we watching the same he was missing the corners threw over 20 pitches and most hits were smoked even the outs.

  • pete

    aight that’s not too terrible, if he bounces back over the next five or six, it’ll be fine, we just need to score (4 hrs off weaver again would be lovely, cmon a-rod)

  • Will

    ok arod

  • Joey H

    i SWEAR to god that i was going to say arod was gnna go deep! i was laying on my bed watching lol. shucks.. i shud have got up. and why did they get a bad angle of that 1?

  • Manimal

    God damn it YES, arod hits a homerun and they show weaver.

  • Steve H

    There goes the “slump”

  • mustang

    Give that one to JAMAL for standing by his man.

    • Steve H

      And he’s not even here to celebrate

  • pete

    wow that worked out well…

  • Joey H

    annddddd the steroid monster goes down on strikes..

  • Manimal

    Jamal’s partying.

    • Realist

      Hopefully getting some!

  • Realist

    ARod hits one when its needed! Nice, lets keep it up!

    Kennedy is starting off like he did his last time around….hopefully he can rebound, I sure hope so! I am pulling for the kid!

    • Steve H

      1st inning homerun….not clutch at all

      • Realist

        Lol, some of us try and be positive while others don’t…

        • Steve H

          hahaha. believe me, when it comes to a-rod, i’m in jamal’s court.

          • Realist

            What a 19 year old that doesn’t get laid’s court?

            Your cool…..

            • Steve H

              Really? Replying to hour old comments about someone else’s sex life? Stay classy Realist.

    • mustang

      “Kennedy is starting off like he did his last time around….hopefully he can rebound, I sure hope so! I am pulling for the kid!”

      Thank you and agree I thought i was seeing things.

  • Manimal

    Good bye Red sox.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

    Melky’s now 1 for his last 14 and 3 for his last 25. Ouch.

    • Manimal

      numbers don’t need to prove Melky has been sucking.

      • Steve H

        i almost laughed at that….then i almost cried.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

        Has been? I think “does suck” is ample.

        • Manimal

          by “Has been” I meant by the standard that he hits .235.

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

            In that case, give him the MVP.

  • Manimal

    Slider is NOT working Ian, back away from it for now.

  • mustang

    Still scary , but better.

  • zs190

    We are working the count pretty good tonight, 50 pitches already in 2 1/3, Angels have good starters and good end of bullpen but the middle is kind of a soft spot, I like our chances if we knock Weaver out after 5.

    • Manimal

      Those fences are pathetic, I hate GR-2B.

      • Manimal

        sorry didnt meant to link it to your comment. Funny part is weaver isn’t pitching that bad and Angels are hacking at IPK’s pitches.

    • zs190

      and of course the captain flies out in 2 pitches after I say that, been a frustrating year watching Captain Jetes this year, I guess I should be happy that it wasn’t a GIDP.

  • Steve H

    Let’s hope Jeter doesn’t make 1 pitch get 2 outs.

  • mustang

    Now this is the fucking way it should be !!!!!

    • Manimal

      look at his year-to-year stats. Next year is NOT a good year for giambi and Abreu has not shown any signs of slowing down.

      • Manimal

        Holy Fuck, why am I commenting on the wrong places. My bad mustang.

  • Batty

    Clutch walk!

  • http://riveravenuewatch.blogpot.com Mike NYY

    Brilliant, now thats why I want Giambi over Abreu next year

    • Davi

      I’d take a double over a walk any day.

      • Steve H

        ha

  • Manimal

    Savior Nady.

  • Steve H

    Come one X(BH)!

  • Davi

    why do all the weaver’s look like shaggy from scooby doo? I can’t stand Jered and certainly did not like jeff when he was a yankee

  • http://www.myspace.com/lincolnsworld Link

    I said it last Angels game and I say it now…I love when Jared pitches like Jeff…

  • Steve H

    Weaver is 2 years older than Kennedy, and still struggling to find consistency. He’s 9-9 for the best team in baseball. Let’s remember that when judging IPK.

    • mustang

      Weaver was 11-2 with a 2.56 ERA in his first year I wish we could compare.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

    Look at that clutch ground ball right down the line. Xavier Nady can do no wrong these days.

  • Manimal

    Weaver walks a man with bases loaded and Cano swings at the first pitch. WOW.

  • mustang

    Nady playing the part of Charlie Hayes.

    • Sam P.

      I wish that meant catching the final out of the World Series …

      Well, I hope that too, but man, not after this showing so far tonight.

  • http://riveravenuewatch.blogpot.com Mike NYY

    Please ignore my retarded comment above

  • http://www.pinstripesplus.com ansky

    take the lead, give it back.

    way to go IPK

  • Davi

    fuck john sterling. doesn’t he know that abreu is the DH tonight?

  • Manimal

    Nady played shallow and got beat by the texiera double, then he goes deep and vlad hits a ground ball and he has to rush to throw it home. Bad luck in its finest form.

  • mustang

    That doesn’t fucking help

  • zs190

    Yuck, I wonder if IPK will make it out of this inning =(

  • The Fallen Phoenix

    Ian’s not really getting any breaks from his defense, though to be fair, he’s given up way too many hard-hit balls.

    At the same time, Teixeira and Guerrero have punished better, more established hitters, so I’d be willing to give IPK a bit of a break against them.

    But you can’t let the likes of 150 year-old Garret Anderson beat you.

  • http://www.pinstripesplus.com ansky

    oh for christs sake

  • The Fallen Phoenix

    That should be better, more established pitchers, not hitters.

  • Manimal

    Fuck Bad placement. Past 3 plays couldve been avoided if the ball was in a different place.

    • Manimal

      four.

  • The Fallen Phoenix

    Nady looks like Bobby Abreu out there. WTF?

  • Will

    forget this, im turning off my tv.

  • Davi

    its only the 3rd. shoot me

  • BigBlueAL

    I dont care how much he dominates AAA and how high a draft pick he is, Kennedy has average stuff and the only difference between him and Giese, Rasner is his age and that he is a 1st round pick. They are all average MLB pitchers who at best are 5th starters in a good rotation….

    • Chip

      I’m beginning to buy that as well. Wonderful now Rasner is in. Anybody else see the season crumbling? Hughes better be DOMINANT when he comes back

      • Lanny

        He throws 100mph now!!

      • http://yankeesetc.blogspot.com/ Travis G.

        he better be? or what?

    • Manimal

      Whats with the hatred for Giese. 1 bad outing and you hate him?

      • BigBlueAL

        I dont hate Giese. My point is people view him for what he is yet Kennedy gets viewed different just because he is a 1st round pick. But to me just watching all 3 of them they are all essentially the same, pitchers with average stuff who dominate AAA but are at best 5th starter/long man pitchers in the majors. Hell for all the shit Ponson takes on this site, his stuff is 100X better than Kennedy….

  • Batty

    Poor kid – this has got to be rough on his state of mind. More damaging than any injury.

    • BigBlueAL

      Why rough, he should be used to it by now, its no difference than all his other 2008 Yankees starts.

    • Chip

      Well if he can’t take New York, he can’t take New York. He didn’t even throw 50 percent strikes, you’re just not going to win like that

    • Adam

      Um… no, no, it isn’t.

      ‘Rough state of mind’ won’t end your career right this second. ‘Completely Torn Labrum’ will.

      • Steve H

        Kenny Rogers at 218 career wins tends to agree with you Adam

  • Joey H

    ok. i dont wanna hear some michael kay bullshit. the kid sucks. hes out. maybe we can have better with hughes. hell maybe pavano

  • mustang

    It might of been a fresh start, but it was the same old ending.
    So much for the minor league achievements.

    • NYFan50

      I guess this is why BA said he was a #4 starter, minor league numbers and all. Not that we’re getting #4 starter production…

  • Joey H

    hey maybe darrell can give us a giese like performance. id take that. just make sure i never see that fuck kennedy again

  • Lanny

    Kennedy is pretty awful.

    I’m starting to believe he didn’t have any muscle injury and they just sent him down to deal with the mental part.

    Hasn’t worked.

    He’s just not a good pitcher.

    Amazing that we could have got Santana for him Melky and Hughes and didn’t go for it. Prob Haren too.

    • Manimal

      Hes young, he could still get his act together.

    • Chris

      Wow. He’s 23. His entire career isn’t defined by a handful of starts…

      • Lanny

        Have you watched him pitch?

        His stuff is fringe major league.

        He nibbles. He has no put away pitch.

        He has no location.

        He has no guts.

        His value in a trade was enormous last Nov. Now? He’s on the Melky express.

        • Steve H

          Was his value enormous? Or was he overvalued? Other posts on here claim he was always a #4, so did he have enormous value as a #4?

  • Manimal

    Last time Rasner pitched in California it didn’t end so well.

  • http://www.pinstripesplus.com ansky

    short and sweet, Ian. Thanks for nothing kid.

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  • Relaunch

    Fantastic! The Kennedy excuse posts are on full blast right now. He can give up 15 runs in 2 innings and people will post, He just missed his spots, they are just bloopers, he pitches great in the minors.

    • Joey H

      cause people are retarted./ the kid sucks, we need to face it. better luck with hughes. at least he has great stuff

      • Steve H

        Farnsworth has great stuff too. Maddux doesn’t. Don’t give me the “stuff” argument.

        • Joey H

          ok then heres an argument, would you rather a guy come in and throw 89-94 and throw a sharp curve ro a guy come in and throw nothing but changeups and 88-89 mph fastballs? … exactly. plus hughes has a major league win allready. maybe it was just his eyesight

  • Wally Pipp

    IPK is the HBK.

  • Joey H

    they keep mentioning his curveballs.. where the fuck were they. there were alot of 3-2 counts he had tonight, why not drop an inexpected hook in there? sure, he has no confidence in it? THEN WHY THE FUCK IS HE HERE?! you cant be a two pitch pitcher with below average stuff against a feisty angels team

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

    Ian Kennedy kinda sucks. One week ’til Phil?

    • Manimal

      I’m counting the seconds until Phil can pitch for the yankees.

      • Manimal

        849600…..849699….849698

        • Steve H

          Hughes era is 9. But he’s automatically going to be better? I believe hughes is/will be better, but come on.

          • Joey H

            his stuff is 10x that of kennedy

            • Steve H

              So is Farnsworth’s

              • Joey H

                are you obsessed with farnsworth?

      • mustang

        He can’t come fast enough !!!!

        And don’t forget the sleeper Pavano. LOL

    • BigBlueAL

      The sooner the better.

  • http://www.pinstripesplus.com ansky

    But enough being negative…its out of my system for the moment.

    If Ras can keep it close, we can hammer Weaver and take this one.
    Chin up kids!!

    • Lanny

      With a 7 man NL lineup?

      Are there two more auto outs than Melk and Molina?

  • Jake H

    Kennedy needs time in the minors. He needs to either make his slider or curve an average pitch.

  • Wally Pipp

    Rasner could be Ramiro-like.

  • Davi

    IPK – 22.5 ERA!

    it’s only 5-3 though.

  • Joey H

    guys we have to keep in mind that we are in a 2 run game against a pitcher who doesnt have shit today. as many runs as IP. go get ’em boys

  • Joey

    You guys have no patience with young kids. I’m not calling Kennedy the greatest young pitcher ever, but give him more time, let him work on command and movement. He’s facing the best lineup in the majors, in his first major league start in awhile, and he doesn’t do too great and your calling for his freakin’ head. Give him a handful more starts, let Eiland, Moose, and whoever work with him. Enough with this “he’s aweful” and “he sucks” shit.

    • Joey H

      EHOUGH WITH THIS HE SUCKS SHTI?! are you nuts?! hes given us less than 4 innings 5 fucking times man!

      • Joey

        HE’S 23 YEARS OLD MAN! And the fact that he really hasn’t been able to pitch against real major league lineups consistently due to injury doesn’t help. Again, I’m not saying he’s God, just that you are rushing to treat him like a piece of shit already is crazy, not everyone can be Joba/King Felix and produce immediately

        • Joey H

          be cause to me, you are a piece of shit with a 10 era and getting knocked out of games before the 4th inning 5 damned times in 9 fucking starts! his stuff and his posture gives up NO REASON and NOREASON at all to believe that he can pitch at all

    • Hybrid Moments

      Kennedy hasn’t shown anything this year to make people optimistic. Its nice that he had a good run toward the end of last season but its time to man up and string together some starts that are respectable. I am not going to kill Kennedy because there were a few horrible defensive plays but he was still getting hit hard.

    • NYFan50

      Regardless of his performance tonight, do you think this is a guy the Yankees are going to nurture and let grow and put at the end of the rotation? He doesn’t have Phil or Joba’s skills. Next year four spots are taken by Phil, Joba, Wang and likely Pettitte. That leaves one spot, assuming they don’t bring back Moose which is hardly a given.

      Do you think they’re going to give it to Kennedy? Or will they try another guy / bring in a free agent? Why settle for someone that maybe, if things break right, could be a middle of the rotation guy when they can bring in someone better right away?

      • Joey H

        can you spell… CC lol

  • Joey H

    do we see IPK going down to make roster room for another long man for tmrw? incase giese fails

  • E-ROC

    I guess nothing has changed with Kennedy.

  • http://www.pinstripesplus.com ansky

    on the plus side, we didnt give Weaver an easy, confidence boosting inning there.

  • Lanny

    Patient with young kids?

    It’s Aug 8 and we are out by 6 games.

    They shouldn’t bring the kids up if they’re not ready or they should trade him when his value is high.

    How can the internal scouts watch him and say he’s a #3 starter?

    • Stryker

      How can the internal scouts watch him and say he’s a #3 starter?

      easy. the yankees organization overvalues their prospects/farm system – just like the phillies do. we all are under the impression that these guys will all be difference makers from the way they’re talked about by beat writers/announcers/whoever. truth is, they’re pretty average.

      not saying that the yankees’ system = the phillies’ system because personally i think ours is better at producing major league products. but let’s be serious here. we all thought kennedy was the best thing since sliced bread. he’s let his true colors show this season.

  • Manimal

    2 runs is nothing…. if theres a good pitcher pitching. If rasner can pull off a miracle were good to go.

  • Steve H

    So is everyone going to write off Hughes if he has 2 bad innings when he comes back? Give it a rest. If IPK sucks, he sucks, but let’s not let 1 outing (or even 9) determine his career. Seriously. I’m sure everyone trashing him now was putting him in Cooperstown last year when he came up.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    He’ll be fine. There was one hard hit ball that inning (Teixeira’s double), the rest were jam shot bloopers, one of which Nady decided to take a slant route on.

    Patience is a virtue. It’s not always pretty, but it’s for the best.

    • Hybrid Moments

      He didn’t exactly look good before this inning either.

      • Joey H

        or the inning before that…

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          So we’re judging him on 3 innings now? Really?

          • Joey H

            he pitched 2+, a few batters into the thirdd, so the inning before that is the second, and the inning be fore that would be the first . Really? OR we can judge him on his 10 starts his year where hes gone less than 5 innings in 5 of them, would you like to play that game?

          • Alan

            Holy irrational, reactionary fan bases batman! Why are people so quick to jump on IPK? The kid is 23 years old and a starting pitcher for the New York Yankees. What were you doing at age 23? Oh..wait..haven’t hit that birthday yet. Relax.

          • mustang

            No we are judging him on 0-4 with ERA above 10.

          • Hybrid Moments

            When are people allowed to judge Kennedy? He hasn’t shown anything this year at the major league level. This start is half on him and half on the atrocious defense but give this stuff a rest. He has to show something at the ML level.

            • Steve H

              Seriously. He hasn’t shown anything this year at the major league level? You’re right. He’s had 10 chances, he’s 23. He showed something last year, and you probably had him ticketed for the HOF. Look at some of the best pitchers of all times first years in the majors, and they sucked. Also, they didn’t have the pressure of pitching for the Yankees in a pennant race.

              • mustang

                How about all those guys with great minor league numbers that don’t amount to anything your argument works both ways.

              • Hybrid Moments

                No, I didn’t have him pegged for the HOF. Kennedy has a #3 ceiling at max. Hes looked terrible. I wish all you guys who drool over upside would just admit that he might not meet his projections.

        • Steve H

          I know. I mean, a good pitcher never, in the history of baseball, has put together 2 bad innings. He must be a complete bust, never to be seen again at the major league level. Next thing you know he’ll go 7-17 in his first full season, like Tom Glavine. Or maybe 6-14 like Greg Maddux. Not comparing him to them, but give it a rest

          • Hybrid Moments

            Yeah because its normal for people to start off like this and then go on to have Hall of Fame careers. Way to cherry pick your examples.

            • Steve H

              Cherry pick? That’s two guys from the same frigging rotation, who didn’t pitch in the high pressure of NY during a pennant race. Not saying he’s them, but are you really ready to write him off? Come on.

    • NYFan50

      The Yankees aren’t exactly notorious for their patience. Best case scenario he blossoms into a middle of the rotation guy. Why wait? Why bother? The Yankees can get better talent this offseason and have it immediately, and not gamble with the 5th starter’s spot. Sure, Kennedy is cheaper than what they could get this offseason, but money isn’t exactly an object either.

      With their resources, the Yankees don’t need to settle. Kennedy doesn’t have Phil or Joba’s skills. There’s not a lot of incentive to give him starts next year.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        Wait, what? Jumping into the FA market to sign a pitcher because you don’t have the patience to let a kid develop is the definition of “settling,” not the other way around.

        • NYFan50

          I certainly don’t see it that way. Optimistically, maybe Kennedy can be a #3 starter. How long will that take? Why waste games letting him grow into a role (or try to grow into it) when you could sign a guy (or maybe promote someone else) that could be better right now? It’s not like Kennedy has Joba or Phil’s ceilings. We’re not exactly waiting for him to become an ace.

          Certainly, we disagree on settling. Settling is letting 20% of your games be started by a guy that maybe, one day, could be a middle of the rotation starter, when you could have a #2 or a #1 for cash alone and give those games to him.

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

            Why waste games letting him grow into a role (or try to grow into it) when you could sign a guy (or maybe promote someone else) that could be better right now?

            Did they try this already? From like, 2002 to 2006?

            • NYFan50

              Sure, but there’s a big difference between signing Jaret Wright, who we all knew was terrible, and signing a Sabathia. Doesn’t even have to be a Sabathia.

              Just because they spent money on BAD pitching in the past doesn’t mean they would continue to do so. Plus, in the past, they did this because they had nobody young to promote. They’ve got Phil. They’ve got Joba. Those are high ceiling guys that you give time to grow. Kennedy is not in that class, and I think even you would admit that. He’ll probably never be as good as some pitchers they could get on the market this offseason.

              • Chris

                The problem is that there is no guaranteed good pitching in the FA market. Everything is a risk. Sure CC is a relatively safe bet, but even he could break down or lose his stuff – remember he had an ERA over 13 through his first 4 start this year.

            • NYFan50

              I guess maybe I don’t understand why you want to give him starts next year. Let’s say Moose walks.

              You’ve got Wang, Joba, Phil, Pettitte (who I assume re-signs). Let’s say that 5th starter’s job is open.

              Truthfully now, would you rather give the 5th starter’s job to Kennedy, or sign Sabathia to a 6 year deal (even knowing the long term risk)? Or sign Sheets? Or heck, even just retain Moose? Which of those guys do you want to see out there every 5th day?

              • Chris

                Whether he starts in the rotation next year or not, he’ll certainly get plenty of starts. Teams never get away with only 5 starters, and rarely less than 7.

                I have no problem signing a guy like Sabathia. Sheets I’d pass on because of the injury history. Anyone on the next step down I’d pass on because you can get equal production from some of the young guys.

        • Joey H

          so mike you idea of developing a pitcher who doesnt even have good stuff is by letting him get the shit kicked out of him time in and time out against major league lineups? an idea of letting someone develop is like edwin jackson, who sure, has good stuff but he is way inconsistent. but when hes on he can shut out a team like the yankees

        • Steve H

          You mean like Carl Pavano? You’re exactly right Mike A.

    • BigBlueAL

      I dont understand it. Be patient for what??? Is his stuff all of a sudden gonna get better??? What is the difference between IPK, Rasner, Giese, Karstens etc. They all have average stuff who at best could be 4/5 starters. Dont go spewing IPK’s stats cause just look at what Rasner and Giese were doin in AAA this year. I just dont understand why we are supposed to give IPK some kind of pass and royal treatment just cause he was a 1st round pick.

      On a side note, my god the Yankees defense is horrible….

      • Alan

        No, we’re giving IPK a pass right now because he’s young and has more talent/potential than Rasner ever could.

        • BigBlueAL

          Really??? Kennedy’s stuff is that much better than Rasner??? To me both have fringe stuff at best, ditto Giese, Karstens and about a million other pitchers currently in every organization in baseball….

          • Joey H

            yea seriously. at least rasner has the balls to throw some curveballs

          • Steve H

            yeah, greg maddux is one. and the 2008 Moose is another.

            • BigBlueAL

              You obviously never saw Maddux and Moose pitch when they were 23. Kennedy at 23 yo has the same stuff as these guys do now at age 38 and 40something. Maddux and Moose at age 23 were not what you see now.

              • Steve H

                #1, that’s why i said the 2008 Moose who has 15 wins. And Maddux’ pure stuff was NEVER much better than average.

      • mustang

        Don’t even try remember IPK is part of the Holy Three.

  • Giovanni

    Its sad to see so many people with so little patience. Here’s a hint: Young players take time to develop and adjust. Just because Kennedy hasn’t pitched well this year doesn’t mean he is a failure and should be traded. Plenty of young pitchers pitch poorly for awhile and then eventually go on to have great careers.

    2000 21 MIN AL 2 3 30 5 0 0 9 0 86.0 102 64 62 11 54 64 2 5 398 0 2 6.49 5.17 80 1.814

    You wanna guess who’s line that is? Same guy people are saying they should have traded Kennedy for.

    No wonder the Yankees have traded their prospects away for many years, they have a fan base that can’t even wait 1 season for development. Amazing.

    • Chip

      Name a Yankees prospect traded away in the last 10 seasons that ended up being good. Better yet, name a pitcher. Eric frickin Milton is the best you’ll find

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        Based on that logic, Albert Pujols will be a bust.

        • Chip

          How so? I’m using the logic of the Yankees making smart trades because they have had nothing in their farm system. I don’t see how that has to do with Pujols who was drafted by the Cards

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

            You made it sound like that because the Yanks haven’t developed any pitchers over the last 10 years, IPK will be a bust. Well, the Cards didn’t develop anything in the 10 years before Pujols, but he ended up just fine.

            If I misunderstood you, I apologize.

      • Steve H

        2008 AL All-Star Dioner Navarro

        • Chip

          Damn, that was a good one! I forgot about him

    • BigBlueAL

      For the 150th time this year on this site, STOP talking about Johan Santana’s stats his rookie year and compare him to IPK. IPK has nothing in terms of stuff compared to Johan, or for a better example Hughes since those two are basically linked together. Why is it that every analysis of IPK that is not done by Yankees fans/insiders say he is a 4th starter at best. His cieling aint shit so when people here kill Ponson even though his stuff which is nowhere near what it was when he was younger and actually good is still now a million times better than IPK yet he gets killed every start, ditto Rasner, why cant IPK get criticized the same way????

      • Giovanni

        I’m sure you were the brilliant guy who predicted after 2000 that Santana would be one of the best pitchers in the majors. Someone should hire you.

        And I’m not making a comparison, I’m showing you an example. I’ll spell it out for since you didn’t get it the first time: Young pitchers tend to struggle at first

      • Chris

        Because IPK still has a chance to improve. For Rasner and Ponson, they’re old enough that what you see is what you get – or they’ll get worse.

      • Chris

        I don’t know what the scouting report on Santana was, but going into the 2000 season, Santana was selected in the Rule 5 draft. That’s generally not a ringing endorsement for someone.

  • Lanny

    There’s patience and there is using common sense and realizing that this pitchers stuff isn’t good.

    His location is worse. And he doesn’t have the guts to pitch out of trouble.

    Will he grow out of it and mature? Maybe. Hopefully for all of us. But he should not be doing this in the major leagues. At all.

    • Joey

      I’m sorry, but when a pitcher can bring his absolute best stuff, location, movement, etc… every time they pitch that will be a good excuse. Yes, he’s a major leaguer now, but ever the great Joba loses his control, even Moose doesn’t have his greatest movement once in awhile. Shit happens. Not an excuse to hate him

      • Lanny

        What has IPK done to impress you?

        Minor league stats from last yr? Some decent AAA stats this yr?

        I’m curious. Because he looks like a fringe major leaguer with less stuff than Dan Giese and Jeff Karstens.

        Don’t read BA and believe everything you read.

      • Joey H

        difference being.. mose and joba still find ways to get outs. even moose sayd yesterday he DID NOT have his best stuff. still gave us shut out innings .. did he not?

    • Alan

      Holy crap. You bandwagon “win now” fans come out of the woodwork the second something doesn’t go according to plan, don’t you?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      Guts shmuts. You have no clue on how Kennedy handles things, you’re just speculating on how he’s pitched.

      • Lanny

        Has he shown any guts in any start this year???

        I know he came with great press clippings and all but come on.

        Use your own eyes to see this. When you throw 90 tops you better have precise location and some guts.

        All we heard was that he was a young Mussina. He’s not Mussina’s kids at this point.

        • BigBlueAL

          Hey Im ripping Kennedy too but I could care less about guts and bullshit like that. Im not ripping his guts, just his stuff and results.

        • Alan

          Well thank god we’ve got the sports psychologist here telling it like it is. /sarcasm

          • Steve H

            Wait Alan, you don’t trust Lanny’s degree in NY Yankees pitcher psychology?

            • Alan

              Of course I do! I also trust in my Psychic Friends Network psychic to give me the lottery numbers I need to be set for life!

              • Steve H

                Call me now for your free Tarot reading!!

        • Chris

          Last I checked, there was no ‘guts’ listed in anyone’s stat line.

          As far as I can tell he’s shown a lot of guts in all his starts.

  • Adam

    The Angels are not the best lineup in baseball, sir. They’re Pythagorean record says they’re over their heads record wise (meaning they’re not this good).

    LA of A is 9th in Runs Scored Per 9 in the AL.

  • Chip

    Well so much for Rasner to the rescue

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

    Darrell Rasner sucks too. Oh well.

  • Lanny

    This is how much of a waste Igawa is. 9-1 at Scranton since May and they still don’t bring him up start.

    Not good on Cashman’s resume.

    • Chip

      Seriously, did you just post that? Kennedy has a shot at being decent but Igawa can’t get major league hitters out. Once they got tape on him, eveybody has hit him

  • Alan

    I don’t understand the logic of some of you guys. This year we went in the season with 3 rookie starters. THREE. Even Cashman said at the beginning of the season that we could expect some pains as we let the youngsters grow and develop. Given the number of injuries and slumps we’ve suffered through, its amazing that we’re even sniffing at the playoffs. But because we’re within earshot of the wild card, never mind the AL East lead, you guys are ready to tell the youngsters to buzz off and go find any number of high-profile starting pitchers you can because they can’t “cut it”.

    Ol’ George would have loved to have you guys around during the 80’s when all he’d do was tinker with the roster and give two craps about development. Would I like to have seen more from IPK tonight? Sure. But he also went out against the best team in baseball for his first start and had a terrible defense behind him. Give it a rest, guys.

    • Steve H

      Thanks for bringing some sanity to this Alan.

      • Alan

        I try, but it just drives me insane to watch these idiot fans screaming for the heads of anyone that screws up. I was perfectly ready to let this season go by and worry about next year when our young pitchers had some more seasoning and we had more payroll flexibility. That we’re even “in the hunt” is a pleasant surprise for me.

        • Steve H

          That we’re in the hunt missing most of our opening day rotation, and several injuries to positional players is a ridiculously pleasant surprise.

    • Lanny

      You understand that development is a two way street?

      You are supposed to scout well enough that you know who is going to be a star and who won’t be (bernie vs Gerald williams)

      And the system is supposed to be great every yr. Churning out prospect after prospect. Legit players.

      You are supposed to take from that and help supply the major league team. You know. Get real proven major leaguers.

      Anyone believe that the Yanks won’t continue to restock and draft well?

      WHo cares about winning BA’s ranking of best prospects?

      • Alan

        Well shit, let’s fire Damon Oppenheimer right now and make you the head of player development. No? You say you can’t? Oh, alright. Then take a seat and quit bantering like a radio show host.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

    BTW, despite Mike’s game thread, I got bored with this game and posted a DotF Lite if anyone’s interested.

    • Joey

      yup, saw it, thanks!

  • http://www.myspace.com/lincolnsworld Link

    wow looks like you guys had some ‘spirited’ talk about IPitchlikeKrap

    • Steve H

      At least that’s funny

  • Lanny

    Another game we are punting. Seems like we’ve had a lot of these this year. Maybe we just are a nice 85 win team. Little above average because of some stars and the best closer in the game.

    I’m just so sick of Melky swing the bat (or not).

    And still can’t believe they didn’t get another starter July 31.

    • Chris

      Who should they have gotten?

    • Alan

      Who the hell did you want? Jarrod Washburn? You want to eat his salary AND give the mariners a prospect? Awesome, that’ll surely get us to the world series.

      • Steve H

        That would have led to multiple WS. These people talking about stuff, and Washburn was our only option, who has no stuff.

        • Joey

          BUT HE’S A SOUTHPAW!!11!!!!1 (sarcasm)

  • http://www.myspace.com/lincolnsworld Link

    Honestly I think we’re going to make it interesting before this one’s over…

  • RustyJohn

    So there is a on-game playoff…someone has a gun to your head and you must pick one of these two starters to start your game…IPK or Igawa? I go sunglasses 9 times out of 10.

    Or do you pull a Gene Hackman in Hoosiers and send out eight and, when the ump asks for a pitcher you say, “My team is on the field.”?

    • RustyJohn

      *one-game playoff

    • BigBlueAL

      I would just tell that person to shoot me now….

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      Okay, I have a question, and I’m honestly curious, I’m not trying to be a smart ass.

      What do you guys think, is it better to have a GM that brings in a bunch of players who ultimately don’t work out, and tries to fix it by bringing in more players like that (Bavasi, who brought in Silva and Bedard to cover for Washburn and Batista), or is it better to have a GM that brings in a bunch of players that don’t work out, but realizes the mistake, changes course and tries to solve the problem another way (Cashman, who’s going with young guys after Pavano, Wright, RJ, etc didn’t work)?

      • RustyJohn

        Living in Seattle, I can say the latter. It is demoralizing to go to a park, as a fan, and see some 38 year old suck it up. The younger players at least bring hope.Plus, you grow more attached to them as fans. As much as I cherish my Batista jersey.

        • RustyJohn

          And my Batista mystery novels.

      • BigBlueAL

        I have no problem at all with Cashman, I love Cashman. Hell it was obvious he didnt even want to bring IPK back up and only did so cause Joba got hurt. My problem is not at all with drafting IPK or promoting him to the big club. Not at all. My main beef is how come if I or anyone else rips IPK it turns into WW3 on this site. We can vent when any other pitcher sucks or player has a bad game no problem, but bring up IPK sucking and you get attacked from all angles.

        • Steve H

          Because the sample size is way too small.

        • Alan

          At least for me, I’m not so much attacking you guys for ripping on IPK as defending Cashman’s strategy to build from within. I’d rather see if some of the younger, cheaper pitchers can stick in the rotation than throw multi-million dollar contracts at older pitchers.

  • zs190

    D-Ras actually pitched OK tonight. The game is still within reach, we might be able to knock Weave out next inning since he’s up to 89 through 5.

    • Joey

      Their bullpen is muy bueno… but we’ll see

  • http://www.myspace.com/lincolnsworld Link

    Savior Nady

  • http://www.myspace.com/lincolnsworld Link

    I think I just called this thank you. :)

  • RustyJohn

    I call a Cabrera pop-up or K

    • RustyJohn

      I apologize for ever doubting you Melky…but you still suck.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

    If Melky doesn’t get this run in….

  • Davi

    can you be canonized when you’re still alive? I love Bobby but I think Nady might be a better alternative.

    • http://www.myspace.com/lincolnsworld Link

      He’s definitely hot right now but he’s looked a lil rough in the OF…

  • mustang

    The one thing that I don’t understand about comparing IPK to guys like Tom Glavine and Greg Maddux is that you can easily turn that argument around. I mean how many guys have great minor league numbers and turn out to be nothing.

    • Steve H

      I never said anything about minor league #’s. Rookie pitchers struggle 9 times out of 10. It’s a fact.

    • Alan

      I think the point of the argument is that sometimes you need to have more patience with young players. Sure, IPK could turn out to be crap. But with such a small sample size, you really don’t know yet. At this point, I’d rather keep him around and “see what he’s got” than to trade low and have him develop and turn into a solid back of the rotation starter for another team.

      • Steve H

        Yes. Ian Kennedy may turn out to be the worst pitcher in ML History. But anyone who comes to that conclusion at this point in his career is clueless. What does it hurt to keep him around?

        • Joey H

          actually, it hurts the bullpen.

      • http://www.myspace.com/lincolnsworld Link

        like 25 y.o Jeff Karstens lol…

        • Steve H

          as funny as that is, put a 25 yo IPK in the NL, and does anyone think he wouldn’t be at least an average pitcher?

        • Chris

          The bigger factor is that Karstens is out of options (I believe) so he can’t be sent back to the minors if he struggles.

    • Joey H

      that says it all, besides the thing seperating glavine from IPK is 300 wins, kennedy hasnt even hit 10 yet

      • Steve H

        Glavine’s career started 9-21. remember that.

        • Joey H

          the difference is that kennedy is not a changeup throwing lefty.

          • Steve H

            So 9-21 is a good record, if you’re a changeup throwing lefty?

    • http://www.myspace.com/lincolnsworld Link

      This is true…you really can make a case either way but the truth needs to be acknowledged, he has sucked this year and you can blame bad defense, pressure or whatever but Joba has had greater pressure and has excelled…time will tell…I still like him but then again I liked Adrian ‘El Duquecito’ Hernandez so what do I know…

      • BigBlueAL

        Ha El Duquecito. Didnt Clemens get mad at him for not wanting to make a start in Game 1 of a doubleheader in Detroit and Clemens pitched that game on 3 days rest and even though he struggled he got the win. I believe it was during 2001, the year Clemens won the Cy Young with the Yankees.

        • http://www.myspace.com/lincolnsworld Link

          Probably I just know he had 1 good start, got rocked a few times and was never heard from again lol…

        • Steve H

          Part of the 20-1 start.

  • Steve H

    Curt Schilling was a .500 pitcher throughout his 20’s. They should have just kicked him out of the league, like some of you want to do with Kennedy. And for anyone that wants to say I’m cherrypicking, I’ve now pointed out Glavine, Maddux and Schilling who have had terrible starts to their careers.

    • NYFan50

      How good do you think Kennedy is going to be? Just because some pitchers struggle early and succeed later doesn’t mean all will.

      Plenty of pitchers suck early and never get better. I could list a lot more in my list than you could in yours.

      Maybe Kennedy will blossom into what BA said he could be – a 3/4 starter. Great. Maybe not. Either way, who wants him starting next year when his spot could be filled by someone who is already a 3 or better?

      • Steve H

        Almost all young pitchers struggle. Some develop. Some don’t. No one can come to any conclusion yet about IPK. He may suck, I acknowledge that. But anyone who concludes he will never be a good pitcher has no basis for that conclusion

  • BigBlueAL

    Actually people bringing up Kei Igawa is a great point. Here is a pitcher who while certainly isnt as young as IPK he isnt that old and has pitched well in Japan which is no different than IPK’s great minor-league resume. Yet everyone here absolutely kills Igawa, yet if some of us do the same to IPK we get ripped. Why can we rip Igawa and someone like Ponson who actually gives the Yankees innings and a chance to win for the most part, but the golden boy 1st round pick member of the “Big 3” needs to be given chance after chance and shown patience because he is a Yankees prospect which apparently gives you a halo around your head.

    • RustyJohn

      Because you would expect a player in their mid-late 20’s/early 30s to have hit their prime and know they have no or minimal upside as opposed to a guy who is 22 or 23

      • Giovanni

        You mean a 23 year old has more potential to improve then a 30 year old? Noe wai!

  • mustang

    I see that Xavier ” the difference maker” Nady strikes again.

    • Realist

      More balls than that overpaid prima dona…………but he is way cool with the xbox circuit on here! You know, the geeks that couldn’t get laid with a fistfull of fifties in a whore house…..keep drinkin that kool aid boys cause anyone who thinks Kennedy is a major league pitcher is blind!

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        Stop with the personal attacks. If you disagree with someone, do it respectfully.

        • Realist

          I am, are the smart ass remarks concerning ARod not personal attacks on us who disagree? You can’t have it both ways…you don’t like it, ban me!

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

            No one has ever been even half as rude and disrespectful to you as you’ve been to our other readers tonight.

      • Steve H

        I’m sure you would have said the same about several HOF pitchers who struggled early in their careers, even for full seasons, not just 10-15 starts. And you would have been wrong about them.

      • Joey H

        … i resent that, im drinking koolaid as we speak

  • E-ROC

    We win this damn game.

  • Mike Pop

    We need this game real bad

  • Mike Pop

    Ras where have u been the last 10 starts

  • Batty

    Someone a few days ago was curious what his call of Xavier Nady will be. Apparently it’s “X marks the spot.” How original.

  • Chip

    Seriously everybody, the kid hasn’t really had a chance to get used to the majors. ALet him get three starts in before we kill him. Kennedy needs to locate and he hasn’t. Hopefully they start him in AAA next season and he can get on a roll. The guy can still be a good pitcher

  • mustang

    Well, I’m sorry the Yankees are in the middle of a pennant race if the kid wants to fail 9 out 10 times let him do it in April.
    Oh! Sorry he did that too.

    • Steve H

      Did he insert himself in the rotation during a pennant race?

      • Jeremy

        Exactly. He’s trying to do what they’re asking him to do. He needs to get his sea legs under him and if Joba was not hurt, they probably would have started him in KC.

    • Alan

      A pennant race that we’re lucky to even be in given the circumstances the team has been through this season.

  • Jeremy

    The comments about IPK in this thread are embarrassing. You guys are just such aholes about this kid.

    • Steve H

      If he had gone 6 strong, he’d be the greatest pitcher in baseball history, but instead he’s the worst. It’s unreal

      • Jeremy

        It is. It’s unreal and crazy. I’d rather lose the season than hang this kid.

        • Joey H

          why not hang on to him, the result is the same!

    • A.D.

      they’re pretty ugly, especially given our current situation where we just needed someone to start, Yanks didn’t even want him to come up yet

      • Alan

        Exactly. The Yankees are in an absolute bind right now because of the injuries to Joba and Wang. At this point, I’m hoping Pavano (Why yes, I did feel dirty saying that name) can come up and give us something for the millions of dollars we threw at him.

  • A.D.

    Apparently actually not starting woke Rasner up

  • Ivan

    Im back.

  • http://www.myspace.com/lincolnsworld Link

    I swear that bat flip gets on my fucking nerve.

  • Ivan

    The Angels might be the most vulanable against good pitching. agreed?

  • E-ROC

    Oh how I weep and mourn for the days of Dan Giese in long relief….

  • Chris

    Was IPKs start that much worse than Pettitte’s last start against the Angels (5.1IP, 9R)?

    • http://www.myspace.com/lincolnsworld Link

      3 more innings out of your bullpen the night b4 another suspect starter? I’d say so…

  • Hybrid Moments

    How are you guys going to compare Ian Kennedy to Greg Maddux and Tom Glavine? Thats the most ridiculous thing in the world. If you’re going to scream small sample size about Kennedy’s performance then I am going to do the same about guys you’ve listed who have gone on to be successful after getting off to hideous starts. Why aren’t any of you guys that have a boner for Kennedy calling for Igawa to get a legitimate shot at the major league level?

    Kennedy doesn’t have overwhelming stuff and when he doesn’t have his control he is in a world of trouble. His numbers in the minors are good because he can get away with making mistakes to inexperienced hitters that major league hitters will just fight off or actually hit.

    • Alan

      With the injuries to our starting pitchers, I would actually give a thought to letting Igawa take a start. We’re essentially working with two starters and a patchwork of replacements.

    • Steve H

      I’m just using stats to back up an argument. I agree that Kennedy may very well never be a major league pitcher. But based on the track records of several hall of famers, it’s too early to completely write off someone after 10 starts.

      • NYFan50

        That’s not a particularly good argument.

        I’m not saying Kennedy will never be a good pitcher. He might. The BA guys said he could be a 3/4. I assume they know what they are talking about.

        But your logic is seriously flawed…you can write off tons of guys before they even get to 10 starts. Most pitchers in the minor leagues will never get to the bigs. For a reason. They have been written off before a single major league start. By your logic, all those guys deserve X number of big league starts before anyone can say they can’t make it.

        • Steve H

          Ok, if the BA guys were that great, they would be running an organization. Just like if Mel Kiper Jr. truly knew his shit, some NFL team would back up the Brinks truck for him. You can write off tons of guys, but not tons of top picks. There is a reason he was a top pick and the Yankees weren’t the only team interested. Hell, if he had come out a year earlier (with the same stuff) he would have been drafted much higher. As a top pick, he deserves a longer leash and more chances.

          • NYFan50

            Lots of first round picks fail. And if I recall correctly, many thought that he was an overdraft.

            Sound scouts have said he’s a 3/4 at best. I don’t know how you can say they are certainly wrong with such confidence.

      • Hybrid Moments

        So what about his less than stellar senior year at USC? Is that nothing to be concerned about? He didn’t exactly dominate his junior year either. I just think people have unrealistic expectations for Kennedy. Hes a #4-#5 at best and now he is developing confidence issues.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          Ian Kennedy had an excellent senior season. He was undefeated with a 0.00 ERA! That’s because he left school after his junior year. ;)

          • Hybrid Moments

            Doh, you know what I mean!

    • http://www.myspace.com/lincolnsworld Link

      His numbers in the minors are good because he is a future HOFer…and the only boner I have is for Kim Jones…

      • Steve H

        That sounds so wrong to me. I went to high school with a Kim Jones once upon a time, and I’ll be nice by just saying she wasn’t boner material

        • http://www.myspace.com/lincolnsworld Link

          LOL..it was a tongue in cheek comment all around…

  • Ivan

    Come on bruney.

  • fresh

    i think i hate the angels just as much as the sox! by the way 07 bruney is back…can i get melancon pplease!!!

  • mustang

    I’m done with the IPK argument it’s getting way too personal he is what he is. I’m just hope the Yankees can survive until Hughes and whoever can come and help.

    • Joey H

      agreed, irealized it was going overboard when HOFers came into the conversation

  • CJ

    Wow, we suck.

    • Steve H

      Now that’s something we all can agree on.

  • http://www.myspace.com/lincolnsworld Link

    Yanks defense is good for 4 or 5 of these runs..guess they’re paying back all the runs they gave us in that 14-9 game…

  • http://www.myspace.com/lincolnsworld Link

    27/08??

  • E-ROC

    tsk tsk tsk….

  • mustang

    This road trip is turning worst then it look on paper and it wasn’t looking too good on paper.

  • CJ

    Would’ve been really heartening to come back and win this one, on the road, against the Angels, after everything. Getting back to 6-5 was respectable, but that inning was just beyond terrible. I hope A-Rod hits six home runs in his next at bat.

    • CJ

      …Or strikeout looking on a ball right down the middle for the 999th time in the last 10 days…

  • BigBlueAL

    Im going to stop my IPK bashing because in all honesty we all here want him to do good because he pitches for our favorite team the NY Yankees. I actually hate it when he pitches cause this site basically pits Yankees fans against each other unlike when someone like Ponson or Rasner gets ripped.

    Everyone knew, or shouldve known, going into this weekend it could/probably would get rough for the Yankees since Anaheim has never been a fun place for the Yankees to play, let alone with the rotation set up the way it is for this weekend. Lets just hope the Yankees can win a game this weekend and be happy with that….

  • Joey H

    vintage 8th inning arod.

  • fresh

    bruney sucks!!! ipk is marginal!!! rasner is the worst!!! and this team is play lackluster!!! truth!

    • Ivan

      And it’s just one game. truth!

  • Flynn

    What a fucking disaster
    IPK- Dreadful start
    Rasner- Standard garbage
    Bruney- What the hell was that? Did you catch a The Farns?

  • Ivan

    I really hope they give IPK one more start here. You mean to tell me he can’t be as good as Jered Weaver.

    • Steve H

      Weaver is currently a .500 pitcher for the best team in baseball. I acknowledge that he was 11-2 once upon a time, but seriously, can’t Kennedy, in 2 years, be a .500 pitcher for the best team in baseball. I’ll give him that.

  • Joey H

    well the good news about this 5 run deficit is taht we dont have to watch K-rod mock us out of the building .. right? that why i love mo. he makes you look retarted but remains calm. does he even point at the sky? i never really noticed.

  • mustang

    You know the game sucks when I’m having more fun reading the IPK comments on this thread. Some of you guys are so fucking funny.

    • http://www.myspace.com/lincolnsworld Link

      jolly good show!

  • Joey H

    o and does pudge get an AB here?

  • http://www.myspace.com/lincolnsworld Link

    got melky? …haha remember when those shirts were all the rage?

    • Davi

      I think he’s curdled.

    • Alan

      Remember when Melky was being considered the next Bernie Williams? Hahaha, that was a good one.

  • CJ

    Good to see the four days’ rest gave Melky time to really get his swing straight.

  • Steve H

    I completely understand that what I am about to say is the most impossible scenario in history. What if Pavano came back, was our ace down the stretch, and led us to #27. How would we react? Would we overlook the last 3.75 years because he delivered a long awaited (in Yankee terms) title? Would we thank him and kick his ass on the way out? I honestly think it would be worth the $40 mil. Hell, if you had told me that they’d win 1 title in his 4 years, I would have taken it. That’s about the Yankees’ average for winning titles anyway. Again, I know that this is an impossibility, but how would American Idle Pavano be treated were this to happen? And who would throw a huge free agent contract at him? Isiah Thomas?

    • Alan

      There’s a better chance of hell freezing over and pigs flying, but man that would be a hoot.

      • mustang

        If I told you in the spring that Moose would have 15 wins on 8/9/08 and be tied for AL lead what would you have said?

      • mustang

        Never underestimate a man looking for his next meal ticket. Those playboy bunnies don’t come for free.
        LOL

    • mustang

      It’s funny you said that because I was thinking the same thing that’s why I’m calling him my sleeper. It’s totally laughable, but he has pitch well under pressure before and he is in his walk year. What the fuck does the guy have to lose? And if does well some idiot will throw money at him.

      • Steve H

        Career 1.40 era in the postseason, including 9 innings and 1 run against the Yankees in the 03 series. That performance hurt us twice, once when he beat us, and the second time when we signed his ass, in part based on that performance. uggh.