The RAB Radio Show – January 29, 2009, Episode 11
ByAs it turns out, neither Mike nor I was available earlier this afternoon when we usually record the RAB Radio Show. We got together later on to put the show together, and here it is. We’re posting it now for the open thread.
The first topic is the Pettitte signing, and we talk about how it’s tough to see this as a bad move. We kind of wrote of Joel Sherman when he said the Yankees next offer would be under $10 million, but that turned out to be the case, at least as far as guaranteed money goes. It won’t take much for him to hit around that $10 million mark with his incentives.
Then it’s onto reader questions. We cite a Ken Rosenthal report which states that Nick Swisher is atop the Braves list of desirable outfielders. He notes that the Yankees want prospects in return. I’m not sure I dig this type of deal. Chances are, the prospect won’t be of the blue chip type so, again, the Yanks are probably better off holding onto the depth.
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Since it is tagged open thread:
according to mlbtr, the mets signed Matt DeSalvo to a minor league deal. That is the Matt Desalvo that played for the Yankees, almost the same guy as Rasner, right?
Meh. DeSalvo > Rasner, IMO. But yes, it’s the same DeSalvo.
Matt “Mini Mussina” DeSalvo?
No, Matt “Matty Ice” DeSalvo.
Ugh. One “Matty Ice” was enough.
BTW, I really thing Ryan should be the corporate pitchman for “Natural Light” and “Natural Ice” Beers.
“For Matty Ice, there’s no beer quite like Natty Ice!”
My roommates have that shit in our fridge all the time. It angers me more than slightly.
The Mick!!!!
Mighty Matt!!!
I freaking loved that guy. He threw a million different pitches from a million different arm slots.
It was the wiffle ball training.
I liked him but he threw tooo many oitches for the bigs. Too many average pitches that is.
“The Yankees should have talked to Tim Raines before signing Carl Pavano. Raines, the former Yankee who was coaching with the White Sox when Pavano signed, had played with Pavano in Montreal. During Pavano’s first Yankees season, Raines told Borzello: “He didn’t want to pitch except for the one year he was pitching for a contract. I’m telling you, he’s not going to pitch for you.”
Of course, by then, the Yankees already had a bad feeling about Pavano — team officials were startled to see him rudely rebuke his mother in April, using a mild curse word. Why? He was angry at his mother for wearing a Yankees’ NY in face paint on her cheek to the game.”
That is quoted from a Tyler Kepner article linked on the Bronx Banter Blog. What if we never signed Pavano, what if…
I hate saying this, but Pavano is a tool. You’re getting paid large sums of money to play an awesome game, but you don’t want to pitch? I hate Pavano.
Why on earth would you hate saying that? Pavano stole his George’s money (and as a paying fan, mine) for the past 4 years.
I know. Who am I kidding? I am behind a computer screen.
Ya, your just a tough guy behind the computer screen. Let’s meet up and rumble punk.
“The Yankees should have talked to Tim Raines before signing Carl Pavano. Raines, the former Yankee who was coaching with the White Sox when Pavano signed, had played with Pavano in Montreal. During Pavano’s first Yankees season, Raines told Borzello: “He didn’t want to pitch except for the one year he was pitching for a contract. I’m telling you, he’s not going to pitch for you.”
Yet one more reason why Tim Raines is a Hall of Famer.
Wow what a waste of blog space. Who is this Pavano you speak of? Can we ban his name from the blog? He’s super bummish
Everyone see the statement released by Pavano on the Torre book?
“I am extremely disappointed that someone I had a lot of respect for would make these type of comments in his upcoming book,” Pavano said in a statement released to 1050 ESPN New York’s Andrew Marchand through Pavano’s agent, Tom O’Connell. “I wish nothing but the best for Joe Torre and my former Yankee teammates, but with that said it does explain why I haven’t received any Christmas cards from Joe the last few years.”
http://mvn.com/giambimustaches.....funny.html
If you’re Joe Torre, and you put a guy like Carl Pavano in a position to be the one who takes the high road, then you have to know you have completely screwed the pooch.
Screw Carl Pavano, how about Boomer: http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....ed_kn.html
Holy crap. I don’t even know how to respond to a lot of this, haha.
i loved boomer (the 90s version) when he was on the yankees.
I saw you ask in the chat yesterday if Swisher is better than Nady defensively. I should smack you driving by on my way down to my GF’s this weekend.
I suspect you only made this comment to mention you had a GF.
Has everyone seen the excerpt about the Roger Clemens/hot tub-liniment story?
If you’re squeamish, skip over the next post. You’ve been warned.
“The story comes courtesy of Yankee trainer Steve Donahue who told Verducci about what Roger Clemens did as part of his usual routine to get ready for facing the Mets in Game 2 of the 2000 World Series. Donahue said Clemens’ usual pregame preparation included taking a whirlpool bath at the hottest temperature possible.
“He’d come out looking like a lobster,” Donahue said.
But here’s the money quote:
Then Donahue would rub the hottest possible liniment on his testicles.
“He’d start snorting like a bull,” the trainer said. “That’s when he was ready to pitch.”
http://www.faniq.com/blog.php?id=18521
Sox fans/blogs/red sox nation is going to shit on all Yankee fans over this.
He played for them, too.
Red Sox players never do anything wrong.
Imagine you get 1st degree burns all over your body, your balls are on fire, and then . . . . . . you go out on the mound an get shellacked.
Cruz to the Yanks per Heyman. huh?
could someone confirm it?
Link? Just checked SI, and there’s nothing there.
it was on Hot Stove.
I checked the TV, MLB network had nothing and ESPNnews not only didn’t have anything, but it said that the yankees will not sign any more free agents this year lol.
lol, I got clarifcation on it:
Cruz had hoped that he could go to the Yankees as because of all their signings and they would not have to give up a high draft pick. Heyman didnt say that the Yankess wanted him or were signing him.
He will be a Yankee by next week. Bank on it !
lets hope so.
Heard from Klapish and Heyman on both MLB Hot Stove and Yankee Hot Stove that Cruz will be a yankee, but to my knowledge neither has cited a “major league source”. It seems to be just a guess by both of them because of the draft pick situation
http://www.fannation.com/si_blogs/hot_stove
nothing on his site…
but they reported cruz going to the yanks
nevermind they said hey hope hell go because they wouldnt give up a first round pick
Piggybacking on the Rosenthal Swisher-Braves rumor above, here’s a ink to BA’s top 10 Braves prospects.
“1. Tommy Hanson, rhp
2. Jason Heyward, of
3. Jordan Schafer, of
4. Gorkys Hernandez, of
5. Freddie Freeman, 1b
6. Cole Rohrbough, lhp
7. Jeff Locke, lhp
8. Julio Teheran, rhp
9. Kris Medlen, rhp
10. Craig Kimbrel, rhp”
http://www.baseballamerica.com.....67345.html
1-4 are going to be untouchable, #5 is a 1B. So forget about them. But they have some interesting guys 6-10 who could be available.
-Kimbrel has insane BB/IP and SO/IP rates in the minors. He’s a reliever who they had starting some last year. Great control, great fastball.
-Julio Teheran is an IFA who’s still a baby (17) and has tons of upside.
-The Yankee farm system is light on left handed pitchers, so the 2 lefties have to get some consideration as well.
If Wren will do 2 of those 6-10 pitchers for Swisher, do you make the deal? I think its a pretty good fit for a spare part like Swish.
I wouldn’t call Swish a spare part.
I will rant again. I swear I will. Swisher should be the starting RF over Nady for a variety of reasons. Both of them should be in NY come next year, but Swisher should be the starter.
yup
No thanks. Give me Schafer and we will expand the deal somehow or give me Kelly Johnson plus more. I’d rather keep Swisher though. Trading Nady would be better than trading Swisher at this point.
too bad they cant unload matsui
If I could have anyone in their system (non-Heyward/Hanson division), I’d want Jeff Locke. Dude’s a stud.
Briefly, what’s his story?
Big projectable lefty, low-mid 90s fastball, knockout curve, improving changeup. Lots of his moving parts in his delivery, so he struggles with his command but still keeps his walks low and piles up groundballs.
Weak stats though.
Really? Which ones are you looking at?
Well not “weak” stats, but weaker than Mike was talking about him.
http://minors.baseball-referen.....?pid=32066
Yeah, not dominating. But remember, this kid came from a school in New Hampshire, and hadn’t faced much in the way of competition until he got to the minors which must have been quite a shock. Despite that, he was dominant in 2007 in Rookie Ball(74/8 k/bb ratio in 61 innings), and went thru some lumps in 2008, but wasn’t bad by any means. He also was getting better as this season went along, not sure if I can find game logs, but I’ve followed his career closely.
They’re Low-A stats, so they’re only slightly less useless than high school stats.
Not exactly a game log, but has a monthly split:
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....?n=Jeffrey Locke&pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=502046
Doesn’t seem to have been “getting better”, but if you’ve been following him, I’ll take your word for it
Well his best month was his last month, his worst month was his first month, and his ERA was 40 pts better after the All-Star break. I’d say that’s improving as the season goes along.
Future starter or reliever in your opinion?
Oh he’s a starter. Someone should teach that kid a cutter.
Braves fans on MLBTR today were saying Morton/Reyes/Brandon Jones for Swisher. I laughed.
Hey, that’s not far off from what the ChiSox got for him. The only difference is that Morton/Reyes have already gotten a chance to show that they suck in the bigs.
Morton is almost 26. I would never make that deal.
That’s the Braves fan’s version of Melky-IPK+a AA reliever for Yankee fans.
IPK is alot better than both those guys.
Hah.
It’s funny cause it’s true.
I used to work with Locke’s uncle. He told me he had a 14 year old nephew who threw 88 left handed. Hadn’t known him for long and thought he was totally bullshitting me. Turned out to be Locke. My uncle knows Locke pretty well too, worked at his HS, and was a quasi bodyguard for him his senior year with all of the scouts and coaches around.
Expand the deal and get Schafer, if you’re doing a deal, might as well do it right.
Quick question. What is the website often used on here that calculates the players true salary value based on performance?
Fangraphs has some good numbers.
fangraphs.com
Thanks. Thought I had it bookmarked but guess not.
Would signing Juan Cruz force Joba into the rotation?
Joba is forcing Joba into the rotation, for good.
David Robertson is the reason why people are going to stop talking Joba to the pen at first. Then when Joba owns in the rotation, it will be all said and done.
Mark Melancon is the reason why people are going to stop talking Joba to the pen at first. Then when Joba owns in the rotation, it will be all said and done.
Fixed.
I know, I’m supposed to do the strike though Robertson’s name, but I can’t seem to figure out how to put the line through his name only and not the whole thing
Actually, we are all wrong. Common freaking sense is forcing Joba to the rotation.
Naaa, Robertson is filthy and is going to break camp with the club. Dominate in his first 12 appearances.
“The Force” is with him. It is telling him he belongs in the rotation
No, extending Brian Cashman for 3 years is forcing Joba into the starting rotation.
Manimal was making a joke, but NOSWHDT.
Why the fuck is my “Bones” not on right now? Matt’s gettin’ upset!
Would you trade Nady for Hicks and Soriano (Braves)
Aaron Hicks? He’s on the Twins. And I’d do that deal so fast Frank Wren would get whiplash.
Maybe Brandon Hicks?
http://www.fangraphs.com/stats.....osition=SS
Wrong!
Brandon Hicks
Ah. I don’t know squat about the guy.
Me either, just read it on mlbtr
Me neither. Just googled “Hicks Braves” haha
Chipper Jones?
http://www.minorleagueball.com.....op-20-pros
Me neither. Just googled “Hicks Braves” haha
Lol, exactly what I did.
SS thats asset is power
Brandon Hicks = Brandon Wood
Truth is, I think that I would do it if you switched Soriano for one of their younger RP. Soriano’s making 6.1MM this year. For that price, you can get Juan Cruz(who’s a better pitcher) and have money to spare. I’d prefer Kimbrel over Medlen, but don’t love either.
that and we dont need a reliever and Soriano will probably get hurt
Signing Juan Cruz also allows Marte to be traded at the deadline, there is always demand for a lefty reliever.
Marte won’t be traded.
Signing Juan Cruz allow Juan Cruz to be traded.
Mike Stanton, Randy Choate, Sterling Hitchcock, Chris Hammond, Felix Heredia,
Gabe White, Jesse Orosco, Alex Graman, CJ Nitkowski, Donovan Osborne,
Al Leiter, Buddy Groom, Alan Embree, Mike Stanton-part deux, Wayne Franklin,
Sean Henn, Ron Villone, Mike Myers, Matt Smith, Kei Igawa, Billy Traber
Yeah, let’s trade Marte, because we’ve had so much luck finding good, reliable lefty relievers in recent years.
Phil Coke.
Let’s give Coke a chance to be a starter first.
I don’t care what hand they throw with, as long as they get outs.
Seriously. Sure, LOOGY’s are good to have but they aren’t really useful and most of the time, they don’t really work out.
I agree, but way too many managers don’t look at platoon splits. They just play it by the book. You bring in a LOOGY, they pinch hit a righty. Burning 1-2 of their bench players and/or weakening themselves defensively for the later innings. For that reason alone, it’s useful.
In the chat yesterday someone asked Joe if we could see Tony LaRussa manage the team if Girardi flops and gets fired after the season. I cringed a little bit. That guy has patented the four reliever inning.
The management of the bullpen is one of the most tangible effects a coach has on his team, and that’s the one place I saw Girardi really do well.
That, and he’s not a NY guy. Very testy in post game interviews with a kiss ass press corp of 3 beat writers in St Louis. Drunk driving arrests don’t burnish your image around here, either.
David Wells, Yankees next manager.
He’s certainly been begging for work. Says he’s bored out his mind being retired. Heard him on Kay today, and he was willing to do anything from coaching minor leaguers to being Mike’s co-host. They said he went up to Bristol to audition for ESPN’s Baseball Tonight.
Why did the Yanks let go of Hammond again?
Because he didn’t get lefties out.
Dec 18, 2003: New York Yankees traded Chris Hammond and cash to the Oakland Athletics for Edwardo Sierra and J.T. Stotts.
Anyone ever hear about the people we got back?
No, but 37 year old relievers aren’t going to fetch much.
http://www.baseball-reference......ch01.shtml
BTW-Check out the year Hammond had for ATL before we signed him. ERA+ of 439. No, that’s not a typing error.
wow, thats beastly. Mariano Rivera can’t even do that.
he could, he just chooses to make it look fair for the other team by giving up a run every month or so.
old .95 ERA
Sierra was later traded for Chacon, i think.
Yeah, and never made it out of the minors.
why trade marte? the point of getting cruz would be to have a righty/lefty combo i the th and 8th.
Be careful how much fate we have in coke. Remember Kennedy looked good in his first few months too
When is the seat relocation going to be complete?
So I’m looking at Gardner’s CHONE projections.
.258/.341/.345, 33 SB, 9 CS (78.57%). If he can do that and add his defensive projection in CF, +5, I’ll be ecstatic.
I find offensive projections are really only reliable after the player has spent a few seasons in the majors.
I hear ya, but at the same time, I feel like those are more than realistic projections for Gardner. He looked a lot better at the end of the year and he’s a good count worker/on base guy and while I don’t think the high average is gonna translate from the minors, I think he’ll be fine getting on base and getting steals. So long as he can provide good CF defense, though, I’m fine with him. When was the last time the Yankees had a solid defender in CF?
That sounds about right to me. If he gets 500 PAs and gets on base at a .341 clip, he should score 80-90 runs out of the #9 hole.
I’ll be very happy with Gardner if he gets on base 1/3 of the time, scores some runs and plays the shit out of CF. Stick thinks he can be a TOP defensive CF, and from what little I’ve seen of Brett I think its a good possibility.
“…and gets on base at a .341 clip, he should score 80-90 runs out of the #9 hole. ”
Word. I think he’ll provide ample RBI opps for Damon and Jeter at the top. If all goes right for the Bombers this year, I think they could put up 1,000 runs. I think.
A .341 OBP with 33 SBs for our #9 hitter? I’d take that in a cocaine heartbeat.
.280/.345/.402
Melky’s CHONE predictions for 2009.
I’d be willing to give The Melk Man another shot too. It wouldn’t surprise me at all for Cabrera to beat out Gardner…but I’d probably give Brett the nod if it was up to me.
Just finished the podcast, good stuff guys.
For people interested in the Baseball America prospect hand book I suggest you go to Amazon they have it cheaper.
Yeah but it takes longer to get it. And you don’t get the cool supplement with each org’s #31 prospect.
True. That must be some great reading material for uh… well, you know.
Name a package where the yankees get Heyward..
Joba
Way too much for a player in HiA…Nady + Kennedy, and then I’d ask for 0 probability/ridiculous upside-type guy.
I didn’t say to do it, but it would get it done with that.
Montero + Snyder or Hacker?? Teams usually don’t swap prospects b/c each team usually overvalues its own. The exception is usually for out-of-options prospects or related instances.
old fashioned trades before money became such an issue
a copy of joe torres book and a thank you card?
as much as like both nady and swisher if you look at it from the perpective that they can:
A. Restock what has become a fairly average minor league systemt
amd
B. With th down market they could replace them with only money and picks next year.
Granted you lose a lot on defense, but Dunn and even Abreu are out there. Trading Swisher or Nady may allow them to sign Adam Dunn and his .400 OPB. Granted this is not ideal because Dun is not exactly a gold glover.
C. Next years outfield class is aweful unless some of these guys take 1 year deals. Singing Adam Dunn now and backloading his contract a bit (because Matusi’s salary will most likely be gone) would be a good move for the future.
Granted it causes a positional problem this year, but I think it is worth it espcially because free agents are on sale
“Singing Adam Dunn”?
my favorite song
Adam Dunn—Yankees DH 2010.
So in 2010, if the economy continues to be in a slump and the baseball FA market is behaving like this year’s, I would hope we offer arb. to Damon … he’d probably accept.
I would hope so too. But I think if Dunn was smart, he would sign a one year deal. Yankees could come knocking next year. Even other teams.
I would hope so, too. I hope the economy in 2010 is a disaster. Let people be out of work, homelessness skyrocket, and have soup lines stretch around every Church and Synagogue in the country.
As long as the Yanks get Adam Dunn, it will be worth it.
300% agree.
Any of you still at workt too?
I consider reading Chaucer work so, yes.
“Whan that Aprill with his shoures soote[...]”
Middle English ftl.
Yeah, I already had to recite the first 18 lines. I find that shit stuck in my head ALL the time.
If Tek comes back on a one year deal, do the Sox go after Montero/Salty anyways for the future
Yeah dude, no doubt. They need a guy for the future.
Also MLBTR says it.
what does peter gammons say — hears a lot of rumors while onn his knees under theo’s desk
Gammons might be a total homer but he is a good reporter.
I’m pissed there is no Office this week, but the superbowl one is supposed to be the best office ever. Jessica Alba and Jack Black are in it!
Damn, thats going to be excellent
Won’t beat Tom Petty!
http://www.officetally.com is a good office fan site, it has tons of stuff, any fan of the show should check it out.
Damn giving Rich Hill away
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sp.....7706.story
Rich Hill has often been described as “A Poor man’s Barry Zito”
. . . . . . . I have nothing to add to that.
current Zito, or back in the day Zito?
I guess its kinda both at this pace. Zito was a Cy Young winner, Hill had a great ‘07.
Zito now kinda blows for the bigs, Hill got sent to the minors
Hill might have The Thing too. And he’ll be 29 on Opening Day, he’s no spring chicken.
Lol @ “the Thing.”
In response to the podcast.
Gordon Beckham for the White Sox at 2b. That is what they are waiting for. Him and Alexei, that is a nice middle infield combo.
Yeah but Alexi will probably be atrocious at SS, given he wasn’t that good at 2B.
Beckham is probably the better SS
But the Web Gem he made!!!
Did Alexei Ramirez never play in the minors?
Wow, all PS3 owners should SERIOUSLY consider Killzone 2. Freaking amazing.
http://ps3.ign.com/dor/objects.....12909.html
Come on bro, this is the game right here..
http://tinyurl.com/azzarh
N64 was the best man, haha.
Memories, I miss it.
I agree, I think I like the present day consoles better but the memories I have with N64 are unbeatable. One word.
Goldeneye.
The level where you hijack the plane… Oh man.
Mario Kart, Super Mario, Mario Golf, Mario Tennis, Super Smash Bros, DK Racing, Wave Race, 1080, Ken Griffey Jr Baseball, Rush, NFL Blitz, NBA Hang Time, and Star Fox. ….
For me, nothing will ever replace the N64. Has alot to do with the age thing though, no doubt.
I owned… 5 of those. I was too young for sports games(I did have Mario Tennis though). I still think Zelda Ocarina of Time is the greatest game ever created.
Ken Griffey Baseball was awesome.
The All Star Baseball series with Jeter on the covers wasn’t bad either. My favorite baseabll game:
http://content.answers.com/mai.....3e727e.jpg
Wow. What a wonderful, wonderful game that was.
The soundtrack was “the bomb” too.
Hey will anyone here be getting season tickets? Does anyone know how much they go for?
i want to get the saturday package
Wow, i didn’t know there was such a thing. How does it work? Or is it self-explanatory, you get tickets to every saturday games?
The Sunday package is better, you get Opening Day and Old Timers included.
hmmm intriguing
No opening day included in the Sunday package this year (Sunday plan holder myself).
no longer intriguing… i stick with trying to get sat
There is Friday, Sat, and Sun. 15 games, 2 weekdays the rest weekends. And yeah every sat unless opening day lands on a sat. You get to see most of the AL and a couple interleauge. Im anxiously awaiting the email that ticks are available.
Hal said on Mike Francesa this week that it won’t be till closer to end of Feb. early March that tickets like that are open, but there will be single game tickets available.
I’m just hoping to get a few single game tix at this point. Def hopping all over the Phillies series when single game tickets go on sale.
I’ll usually have an extra pair, available (at cost) a few days before the game. Let me know what games you want, and I’ll keep you in mind.
Come on buddy, we are RAB buddies. Ya know, I hook you up, you hook me up. (I hook you up by giving you a case of beer)????
A case of beer? For $70 seats in the Main Section?
That’s like trading Jake Peavy for Melky+IPK!
Well, I am one hell of a GM. My Fantasy Baseball team was stacked!
You have good seats Steve? I had legends for the last couple years, but couldnt afford them now. I figured I would just buy second hand the games I want to go to.
I feel left out haha, I live near Yankee Stadium in the Bronx, we already know that means I can’t even afford bleacher seats. But i was just asking the prices of season tickets or a package of any kind;I’m mulling over on whether or not i should take some of my college loan money to get a package of some sort.
So only visible to a few thousand girls?
Alright I’m out for the weekend with a semi-PSA.
I know we’re all going to be partying this weekend and drinking, especially Sunday, but if you have even a drop of alcohol, please think like 600 times before touching your keys. A family friend of mine was just killed by a drunk driver. So, please, don’t be fucking stupid.
R.I.P
Are you going to Tampa?
Coke = if we are desperate after all of Hughes, aceves and kennedy are in the rotation or ineffective and AJ, Pettitte and joba are all down with injury/reached innings limit. That would give us CC, wang, two of the young guys lets say Hughes, Aceves and Coke. That would be a terrible situation and fall deep into the season most likely after joba is on the bench or in the pen. Luckly, our three bigger risks out of the rotation is the third, fourth and fifth starter and our two least risks are likely one and two. At least the way i see it.
I cant see any possible scenario worse than that above but if there was, I seriously doubt hacker would be my choice. At this point, we are talking about almost the entire rotation going down to injury and a rotation of one of them, Hughes, Aceves, Kennedy and blank. If that happens, we probably already lost grip of the AL East or are going into the playoffs with our rotation in tatters. Either way, it doesn’t much matter who the heck our fifth starter is but no way it would be hacker.
Last year, I realize that four of our five opening day starters were injured/ineffective and on the dl in AAA at some point and five of six were injured throughout the season but we started the season with PAVANO, KENNEDY AND HUGHES in our opening day rotation which was a HUGE mistake. Then, we were ravaged even more with wang’s very flukey running injury and to top it all off, pettitte’s shoulder issues resulting in a bunch of horrible games. I think we wont have five out of six injured starters next year and only one of the top five not injured. if that is the case though – the rotation goes back to one of the top five, Hughes, Aceves, Kennedy and ???? but we have to be as unlucky as we were last season which i doubt.
Im sorry that last line was supposed to be one of the top five, two of Hughes, kennedy and aceves, Coke and ????. Its late and im not thinking straight but the point was we would have to have the exact same situation we had last year in order to require a tenth starter on the totem pole. I just dont see it happening again with this staff.