CC, Mo star as Yanks romp Pirates

Spring Training Game Thread: See CC on TV
Architectural praise for the new Stadium

The Great Sabathia Crisis lasted all of one start, because the big fella was straight nasty tonight. Four innings, one hit, one walk, seven strikeouts. The other five outs he recorded all came on groundballs. The one hit was an infield single off the bat of Jose Tabata that hit the third base bag and popped fifteen feet in air, eliminating any chance of Cody Ransom making a play on it. Sabathia threw 59 pitches, 40 for strikes. I know he was facing half of an NL lineup, but great googley moogley. That was awesome.

As great as CC was, Mariano Rivera was better. Making his first appearance of the spring, Mo struck out the first batter he faced on three pitches. He then induced a weak grounder back that he fielded himself for the second out, and struck out the third batter for crisp 1-2-3 frame that took all of eleven pitches (eight strikes). I know there’s some concern about the 39-yr old Rivera after offseason shoulder surgery, but considering how ridiculously awesome he was last year with the shoulder issue, isn’t there a chance he’ll be even better this year?

Hideki Matsui kicked off the scoring with a two-run double down the line in the first, and he followed that up with a monster homer in the third that was just a few rows shorts of leaving Steinbrenner Field all together. All in all, the Yanks sent eleven runners to the plate in the third, scoring six runs thanks to the Matsui homer and doubles by Mark Teixeira, X(BH) Nady, and Melky Cabrera, plus a two-run base hit by Jorge Posada, who caught five innings with no problems. His arm was tested in the second when ex-Yankees farmhand Jose Tabata stole third; the throw was high and off line, but the pitch was down and a tough one to handle. Most importantly, Posada was fine and had a look of relief on his face after letting one loose for the first time post-surgery.

Edwar Ramirez and Al Aceves finished the game off between rain drops with four combined innings of one run ball; the run coming on a Jeff Salazar solo homer to lead off the ninth. Yankee pitchers struck out twelve Pirates and had a 13-2 GB/FB ratio in the 9-2 win. Pretty good night, I’d say.

Elsewhere in the baseball world, Team USA kept their WBC dream alive thanks to a David Wright walk-off knock. Ya gotta believe.

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Spring Training Game Thread: See CC on TV
Architectural praise for the new Stadium
  • http://nyfaninboston.blogspot.com/ Manimal

    Mariano looked like he was in post season form.

    What surgery?

    • Drew

      He didn’t really have surgery, it was a conspiracy to keep him from playing for Panama.

    • anonymous

      Intimidation.

  • John

    CC = 2009 AL C0-CY YOUNG & WARREN SPAHN AWARD
    Mo = All-Time AL CY YOUNG
    A-rod = 2009 AL CO-MVP & WORLD SERIES MVP & GOLD GLOVE & SILVER SLUGGER & HANK AARON AWARD
    Tex = 2009 AL CO-MVP & Gold Glove & SILVER SLUGGER
    JETER = 2009 AL CO-MVP & SILVER SLUGGER & ALCS MVP
    Burnett = 2009 AL C0-CY YOUNG
    Joba = 2009 AL C0-CY YOUNG

    and every other position player gets a SILVER SLUGGER also.

    • John

      and get this: CC was so good that he somehow even got the NL CY-YOUNG!!!

    • Tom Zig

      Doesn’t Jeter get a gold glove?

      • John

        no w…thats just pushing it too much

        • John

          *no way

  • Mike Pop

    CC only K’d 7? Uh-oh, cause for concern. He wasn’t hitting 97, his arm is tired.

  • Drew

    If I remember correctly, Mo was hitting 92 more often than 94 towards the end of last year. Considering this was his first ST appearance and he was hitting 91 92, I’d say we’re in for something special this year… I mean.. we’re in for the usual.

    • Tom Zig

      100 Saves in 98 opportunities…

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

    It’s utter blasphemy to say this before his first regular season start, but Sabathia may end up being the greatest Yankee pitcher ever. Seriously.

    Really, who’s on the list here that we’re talking about? The list of potential candidates for that title is:

    Whitey Ford
    Lefty Gomez
    Red Ruffing
    Ron Guidry
    Andy Pettitte
    Mike Mussina
    Spud Chandler
    Allie Reynolds
    Waite Hoyt
    Herb Pennock

    Depending on how long he stays good (and how long he stays here), he could end up the best ever, don’t you think? Talentwise, he’s already in the clubhouse with those guys…

    • pat

      Whitey ford had 236 wins as a yankee, was an 8 time allstar and had more rings than you can fit on one hand.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Wins, All-Star Appearances, and Championships Won…

        …congratulations, Pat, there’s three utterly horrible ways to evaluate pitchers and you nailed all three of them in one post.

        Bravo.

        • http://liberalmusings.wordpress.com Pablo Zevallos

          Using championships Clay Bellinger was a better player than Ted Williams and A-Rod COMBINED!

        • pat

          Dude, when you’re talking season to season yeah it’s a bad idea to compare player A to Player B using wins and all star appearances and shit. But over the course of a they’re hard to ignore. If you think 28 year old CC Sabathia can put up 17 seasons of 133 ERA+ and a 1.21 whip then I would say you are being exceedingly optimistic.

          • pat

            Ugh editing FAIL.
            Dude, when you’re talking season to season yeah it’s a bad idea to compare player A to Player B using wins and all star appearances and shit. But over the course of a 17 and 14 year career they’re hard to ignore. If you think 28 year old CC Sabathia can put up 17 seasons of 133 ERA+ and a 1.21 whip then I would say you are being exceedingly optimistic

        • Mike Pop

          Oh snap!

        • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          Yes but I think pat was referring to the length of Whitey’s career in a Yankees uniform, which longevity allowed Whitey to achieve certain things that CC has no chance to sniff. Ford had a 133 ERA+ over 3100+ innings in pinstripes, and CC is debuting in pinstripes at age 28.

          • pat

            Exactly, I know wins and rings and shit are the MSM bible but when you’re ,ooking at such a long period of time I think most statistical anomalies work themselves out. (Eg, winning games you don’t deserve to win and losing ones you do)

            • whozat

              Exactly, I know wins and rings and shit are the MSM bible but when you’re ,ooking at such a long period of time I think most statistical anomalies work themselves out. (Eg, winning games you don’t deserve to win and losing ones you do)

              ERA+ and other advanced analysis aren’t about controlling for anomalies. They’re about accounting for the effects of things outside the player’s control. A pitcher backed by a good offense and solid pen will have more wins than if he is not. A pitcher fronting a great rotation will wind up with more rings than a pitcher who’s the only standout on a shitty team.

              THAT is why rings and wins are a poor metric for judging the talent level of an individual player.

              • pat

                I understand what you’re saying, I just didn’t feel like having to prove myself to everybody so I would be taken seriously. The point of the matter is when you are talking about something like the “greatest yankee pitcher ever” the court of public opinion is going to weigh heavily the gaudy acheivements like rings, all star games, and wins. (And yes I know, court of public opinion=idiots but let me finish.)
                You still have to be a pretty good pitcher to even be close to whitey’s win total. It’s not like we’re splitting hairs here, in this case it is OK to take a broad stroke and say that it would be extremely unlikely that CC Sabathia has a better yankee career than that of Whitey Ford, Lefty Gomez or even Ron Guidry.

                Basically I made the mistake of not throwing the seemingly unattainable stats out there first and instead made a sweeping statement about each guy’s legacy rather than specific career statistics. I figured most people would understand my point about those guys being Yankee legends without me having to regurgitate each persons career ERA+ (16 yrs @ 133 for Whitey, 14 yrs @ 125 for Lefty,and 14 yrs @ 119 for the Gator.

                • pat

                  That being said, it’s time for a quick stop at one of my favorite websites ever, http://tinyurl.com/dbqpon before hitting the sack.

                • steve (different one)

                  i’m actually with pat, i don’t have much of a problem using wins as ONE way to evaluate a pitcher OVER HIS CAREER.

                  there is a difference between looking at single season wins to do something like vote on the Cy Young, and to look at a pitcher with 300 wins and say that pitcher is probably pretty good.

                  YES, all 300 win pitchers are not created equally. of course you want to dig deeper, but for quick and dirty analysis, it’s not some sort of sin to bring up.

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  That being said, it’s time for a quick stop at one of my favorite websites ever, http://tinyurl.com/dbqpon before hitting the sack.

                  Dude… http://www.SuperTangas.com. It’s the official chicks in skimpy thongs site of RAB.

          • Mike Pop

            Agree with you and Pat both. If CC started out here, maybe, but not now.

            • GG

              Hows this for another stat to judge: If you pitch a perfect game in the world series for the Yankees, you HAVE to be in the conversation.

              • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                How’s this: No. That’s ridiculous.

              • A.D.

                Well Larsen didn’t have an amazing career & isn’t in the hall of fame. He had some great seasons, and obviously the perfect game, but his career ERA + is 99

        • Tommy S.

          Well then I guess Jeter sucks too, that is if you rate a player on his wins and rings.

          • whozat

            Classic strawman. No one said that “players with wins and rings are bad.”

            We said “wins and rings do not come close to expressing the true talent level of a single player.”

    • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      Your comment reminds me of someone else, who may have written it a little more like this:

      Wild Thought: CC could be the greatest Yankees pitcher… ever.

      Today’s wild thought is so wild that I’ve been sitting on it for a few days – debating whether or not it was too wild to even share it. But, what the hey, here it comes…

      Suppose, for fun, that CC Sabathia is a Yankee for a decade and miraculously pitches fantastic for all 10 of those years.

      Yeah, I know…it doesn’t work that way. Just kidding

      But if it does happen and he has a miraculous career as a Yankee, couldn’t CC go down as the greatest Yankees pitcher ever? Anywho, that’s today’s wild thought.

      I warned you – it’s a real wild one.

      /Lombardi’d

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

        Holy shit, if I didn’t see riveraveblues.com in the address bar I would have thought this was Was Watching.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Heh, my bad. I never read Was Watching, so I missed that article.

          • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

            lol just messing with you. You definitely pulled a Lombardi-esque “this might be crazy but IT’S TECHNICALLY POSSIBLE AND WHAT IF IT HAPPENS!?”

            • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              The point of me bringing it up was to illustrate how few truly dominant pitchers we’ve had in our long history.

              It’s basically a big three of Ford, Gomez, and Guidry, with a second tier of Ruffing, Hoyt, Chandler, Pettitte, Pennock, and Mussina. (What makes that second tier interesting is that many of them were fairly unremarkable, average pitchers until they came to NYY, and then they got much better). The rest of the guys we had around who were good, like Hunter, Cone, Clemens, etc. were only here for a scant 5 years or less.

              Ultimately, he’s probably just another Moose – an ace for sure, but spent too much of his prime elsewhere and can’t reach the levels of the real big three. Just my wishful thinking.

              I guess only Joba and Phil have a realistic chance at joining the Ford-Gomez-Guidry troika.

              • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                I agree. It’s just tough for a guy who comes to a team in the middle of his career to be seen as one of the best pitchers in that team’s history (assuming that team has some history and is not named something like “Rockies”). I mean, look, clearly CC could tear-off a bunch of Cy Young-worthy seasons in pinstripes and put himself into that conversation, I just think the chance of him doing enough to put himself into that conversation is pretty small. He’d have to have some truly historically significant seasons to put himself into that conversation. Pedro Martinez is the exception, not the rule.

              • steve (different one)

                Igawa.

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  A Yankee pitching Mount Rushmore graphic of Ford, Gomez, Guidry and Igawa… this sounds like a job for NoMaas.

    • A.D.

      CC has the opportunity, but he’d have to keep pitching at the same caliber as the past 3 years for pretty much the duration of his current contract.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        You’re right. That’s what I was saying, IF Sabathia can maintain his current level of sick dominance for 7 years, he can put himself in that discussion.

  • pat

    Lefty Gomez- 189 wins, 7x AllStar 5 Rings.
    I dunno man I think the top guys are in their own stratosphere.

    • pat

      And that Rivera guy should be up there with Gomez and Ford.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Starters >>> Relievers

        Ford, Gomez, Ruffing, Guidry, Hoyt >>> Rivera.

        I’m sorry, I love Mo as much as the next guy, and what he’s done deserves tons of respect for being the greatest relief pitcher ever, but the greatest relief pitcher ever is still a far, far cry from a great starter.

        Mo is God, but his historical impact has been overstated, IMHO. He’s the greatest closer in MLB history. While that’s praiseworthy, it’s akin to being the greatest fullback in NFL history.

        • Andy In Sunny Daytona

          I would say Mo is more like the greatest tight end.

          The greatest 8th man is more like a fullback.

          PS. I hate football.

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            That’s fair.

            Greatest closer ever = greatest tight end ever
            Greatest middle reliever ever = greatest fullback ever
            Greatest utility infielder ever = greatest long-snapper ever

  • GG

    Did i miss all the A-Rod photo shoot talk already???? That stuff is crazy strange….He better hit like a monster when hes back.

    • whozat

      No. We just don’t care about it, because it has nothing to do with baseball.

      • Tom Zig

        Amen. Just chalk it up to another one of those A-rod being A-rod type of situations.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

      You didn’t miss it because it never happened.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        The thing that pisses me off the most about that damn ARod photo?

        Now it’s harder for me to drop in my sardonically taunting photos of the Sox douchebags like calling Varitek an American Bad-Ass®©™ for this http://farm3.static.flickr.com.....4a3c65.jpg or making fun of Pedroia for looking like David Faustino…

        … because ARod has given the enemy the best possible comeback photo-drop ever. That stupid little jerkoff kissing himself in the mirror is going to taunt us and haunt us forever. Sox fans will never let that shit be forgotten. (I know I wouldn’t if I was them).

        Damn yous, Alex, god damn yous to hell.

        • jsbrendog

          the one of him on the seedy looking motel pay by the hour mattress was a bit unnerving as well

  • Rich

    CC appreciates Mo:

    “I never really had a dominant closer like that,” CC said. “Joe Borowski was great. But Mo is something different.” Sabathia was smiling slightly as he said that. Borowski might’ve smiled, too.

    • EDUB

      That’s a shot at Joe Borowski

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

  • WhizzoTheWize

    Is Whizzo the only one a little sad to see the USA advance?

    Whizzo wants the captain back in pinstripes.

    Whizzo is fine, however, with what-his-face from the other side of town doing all the head first sliding in this useless tournament.

  • PaulP

    Captain Jeets did all he could to come home, giving PR a run early when he failed to get to a ground ball to left! Oh wait, what’s so unusual about that? Oh yeah, he did dive and get to that ground ball later in the game, but still failed to come up with it, giving PR another run! I think this will be a recurring theme this year, and I’m not sure a high groundball to fly ball ratio is anything to celebrate as a Yankee fan!