May
12
Game 32 Spillover Thread II
ByOne last thread for the comeback win and postgame celebration.
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Vintage AJ out there tonight. He must have the most 7.2 IP, 5+ ER starts in the history of the ML’s.
Heh.
Niiice the good old yankees suck chant. Never gets old.
“Yankees suck” chant from Toronto fans, really?
So now Coke is hurt? Where does the madness end!?
Sorry. Wrong place.
Would it kill the Jays to trade Halladay out of the division?
I’m so sick of having 2 out of 3 being the best-case scenario for a series with Toronto, due to him.
2 of out 3 is the best case scenario for ANY series. a 66% winning percentage is over 100 wins
You misunderstand. I’m saying a sweep is practically out of the question.
Trade him to the NL Central or something, please.
No I understand your point, but going into a series thinking you’re going to sweep is unrealistic- not to mention trying to sweep the team with the best record in baseball
trade him to the yankees….for veras ?….i can dream
That’s not a dream. Dreams aren’t that good.
“2 of out 3 is the best case scenario for ANY series.”
This is incorrect.
Obviously a sweep is best case scenario, but no team goes in thinking they’re going to sweep, unless its against the Nationals or someone
Just responding to the words on the page, brother.
You can’t be too upset about losing to Halladay. He’s absurdly good. But it’s funny watching Burnett; his stuff is consistently filthy and yet more games than not, he finds a way to give up about 3 or 4 runs. Or 5 in this case — but that’s ‘coos, I assume, girardi’s trying not to burn out the pen on what is 98% likely a loss.
And usually it’s because he beats himself, by walking a couple, then grooving one.
i agree
I agree. But I can say that having watched his awesome season last year, when Burnett was pitching with contract on his mind, he was lights out and mentally tough. Now, he’s pitching for you guys the same way he pitched for TO when he signed with us: good enough to not get booed, but not good enough for his price tag.
So, when are the Yankees going to go on a tear?
2010
im actually already lookin foward to next year. hopefully we let matsui, molina, nady(even tho i like him), and damon (despite his hot streak now), and petitte all walk away. then well get younger and wont have a DL bigger than the active roster.
You are funny.
Probably in late august when its too f’n late
AJ pretty much sucks. why was he still in there for so long?
Because this game was basically a lost cause and a sunk cost before the game started.
Might as well ride AJ as long as possible and save the pen for tomorrow.
yea but his pitch count was up there & Veras is perfect for lost cause games
Burnett threw 110 pitches.
I’m perfectly happy with how he was handled tonight.
If you’re going to use phrases like ‘sunk cost’ you’re going to have to explain them to the class.
http://www.google.com
Not me, for the REST of the class. The ones jumping on Girardi for pitching AJ in the 8th.
That was directed for the rest of the class.
/FAIL
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=sunk+cost
I agree. We should have used Mariano in the 8th.
Yay more trolls. woop woop.
anyone else see this?
http://www.fannation.com/truth.....eroids-use
From the last thread:
It’s a 162 game season, dre. You have to give guys the occasional day off.
Might as well give them a day off against a guy like Halladay that you’re not likely to beat even with your 1A lineup.
Swisher has 2 ABs and 2 strike outs
Another great point.
Not only would it be smart to rest Swisher for long-term reasons, he’s also been historically crappy against Halladay. If he didn’t play at all today, maybe he doesn’t have any bad AB’s and stays on a better hitting rhythm.
Another reason I’d love to have Miranda, so that he could have taken Matsui’s place when he went out with the hammy.
we’re talking about replacing Swisher with Gardner..GARDNER..if it was decent subsitute like say Nady fine..but Gardner?
We don’t have anybody else to replace Swisher with.
But the fact that we have nobody good to replace him with doesn’t mean we shouldn’t give him the day off. You just have to bite the bullet and live with the bad production from Gardner for a day or two.
So Arod should never get a day off this season?
^that was towards ‘dre’
and plenty of pitches taken out of Roys Arm..
I’m sick of Girardi leaving him in there too long. You need to take him out after the four pitch walk. You leave him in after the homer to see how he responds, and when he can’t throw a strike you take him out. I don’t get it.
Take him out so you can complain to stop babying him and let him throw more then 100 pitches?
I don’t know, I kinda agree. It’s kinda just the right move to make once you see him throw four straight balls. Go out to the mound, accept he put up decent numbers for a night where he didn’t have his best stuff, and call it a night. No reason to leave out there to labor to throw strikes.
No, you take him out because of exactly what he said. He gave up a home run and a 4 pitch walk, his night is done, no one would have complained about anything.
“no one would have complained about anything.”
haha, people here complain when the count is 1-0 to the first batter of the game
ok, no one capable of rational thought would have complained. I think you can tell the difference.
So then you retract your original statement and agree with me that people would have complained?
:yawn:
…..cause the game was pretty much ova anyways.
I’m no Girardi fan AT ALL, but I don’t blame him here — the game’s lost, basically. GIve the pen as few outs as possible to rest them up. Part — PART — of the reason they’ve sucked so is overwork. I think it’s smart, actually
Veras is like “stop fouling off all my strikes!”
Heh.
who the fuck knows???
Oh Veras…
i swear i am going to swallow my tongue!!!!!!
Is bringing Veras in akin to waving a white flag here?
You expect 4 runs in the 9th against Halladay?
Then again, there is precedent:
http://www.baseball-reference......9210.shtml
I remember that game. It was Kol Nidre and G-d was pissed I didn’t go to temple.
I miss Jim Kaat!!!
i totally agree
Jose Reyes just got thrown out trying to stretch a double into a triple as the tying run with one out in the bottom of the eight inning. Nice job, bud.
Toronto??? Seriously???
ITS.
ROY.
HALLADAY.
LOL @ you. Just making all these comments.
Why is Burnett in the 8th when he went 7 innings and gave up 3 runs.Great we got Joba to pitch 5 innings and 12 strikeouts and the bullpen loses he’s and the next 3 starters games.
There’s no reason for Burnett to go 8 innings.They took a solid pitching outing to a real bad game.This isn’t the ’60′s pitchers don’t go 7 innings a game.The Yankees look old.Even there young prospects act like there old.
I have no idea what the hell you are saying.
This is all complete bullshit.
Goodbye.
Wow. My faith in humanity drips a little lower with each whine.
Why not? He was only at like 95 pitches and he wanted to save the bullpen. Just because he gave up 3 runs doesn’t mean he sucks.
Jamal, and there are still people out there that state Reyes is better than Jeter?
Yes, me.
That’s a shot at Jeter. Wait, it really is.
Yea there are, because he is.
But Reyes doesn’t paly the game the right way like Jeter.
i just wanna scream!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
You make me wanna la-la
They can get four runs in the ninth…
/keeping the faith
o_O Ramiro Peña
Pena with a futile double.
Learning from A-Rod.
Brett Gardner is a pest.
You are what your record says you are. Right now the Yankees record sucks and so do they.
You are not what your name is.
Good thing the season isn’t over yet, Theoretical Joe Morgan.
I love the “Theoretical Joe Morgan” line… Well played, sir.
I think their record is fairly mediocre. Soooo, what does that say about them…
You are not what your name says you are.
Voice of being short sided.
Of the 6 teams currently in 1st place, at least 3 will miss the playoffs, with sub-90 wins.
No, your record is not who you are.
You suck Gardner
Gardner does suck, but one game against the best pitcher in the league might not be the most accurate gauge.
Is this Gardy’s first game?
Most teams look old against Halladay. But yes. They do look old. In all fairness to them, the only reason the do is that they ARE
Average age of Yankees roster-28.3
Average age of Red Sox roster-28.4
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....r?team=nyy
O SNAP!
STOP THAT! WE’RE OLD AND YOU KNOW IT!
Hah, age is just a number bruh.
A deeply misleading stat. The heart of the team, and the pitching staff, is considerably older — Jeter, A-Rod, Damon, Posada, Vs. Pedroia, Youklis, Drew, Ellsbury. True — we have Tex and they have Ortiz (who’s only 33 — but the oldest 33 I’ve seen in a while), we have Cano and they have Lowell, but the pitching is younger (with the exception of Wakefield, whose age is less important,and whose 42 years pulls the average up a bit), and I think your stat is proof that not all numbers are created equal
Yes, 28.4 was not created equally by God as 28.3, tis true.
No, you just want to count some guys and not count others to suit your preconceived notion. That’s the opposite of looking at the numbers and taking them wherever they lead you.
That stat is misleading… thats the Avg age for the 40 Man rosters.
Right, and the Red Sox (who are LAUDED for their player development) don’t have any kids on their 40 man. Just us.
I disagree — I think it’s tough to look at this club game in and game out and not see that they are an older club, both on the field and in the trainer’s room. And you’re right, I don’t want to count Gardner as much in this equation as Matsui — I think it would be tough to construct a rational argument as to why you should want to — because while they’re weighted equally in your equation, to argue they’re equivalents in terms of how much they impact the games is demonstrably silly.
The vital components of the Red Sox, to use your example, are younger than their counterparts on the Yankees. To deny that somewhat obvious truth strikes me as aggressively partisan willfulness.
I’m not saying the Yanks are ancient, or too old to contend, but to argue that their age at key spots isn’t an issue isn’t looking at the facts, even it is looking at the numbers
Lowell-35
Arod- 33
Jeter-34
Lowrie-25
Cano-26
Pedroia-25
Youkilis-30
Teixera-29
Posada-37
Varitek-37
Damon-35
Bay-30
Melky-24
Ellsbury-25
Swisher-28
Drew-33
We’re younger at 4 positions, tied at one and older at three. Plus Lowrie sucks and is always injured
Oops, Ortiz is 33 going on 53 and Matsui is 34 with crappy knees.
Sabathia-28
Burnett-32
Pettite-36
Wang-29
Chamberlain-23
Hughes-22
Beckett-28
Lester-25
Matsuzaka-28
Wakefield-42
Penny-30
Masterson/Buccholz-24
The vital components of the Red Sox, to use your example, are younger than their counterparts on the Yankees. To deny that somewhat obvious truth strikes me as aggressively partisan willfulness.
Okay, I’ll bite.
Sox “Vital Components”
Beckett – 28
Lester – 25
Matsuzaka – 28
Wakefield – 42
Penny – 30
Masterson – 24
Buchholz – 24
Smoltz – 41
Bowden – 22
Papelbon – 28
Okajima – 33
Delcarmen – 27
Saito – 39
Ramon Ramirez – 27
Hunter Jones – 25
Bard – 23
Varitek – 37
Kottaras – 25
Youkilis – 30
Pedroia – 25
Lowell – 35
Lowrie – 25
Lugo – 33
Bay – 30
Drew – 33
Ellsbury – 25
Baldelli – 27
Ortiz – 33
Kotsay – 33
29 players. Average age: 29.55
Yankees “Vital Components”
Sabathia – 28
Burnett – 32
Pettitte – 36
Wang – 29
Joba – 23
Hughes – 22
Aceves – 26
Kennedy – 24
Mo – 39
Bruney – 27
Coke – 26
Marte – 34
Veras – 28
Edwar – 28
Albaladejo – 26
Robertson – 24
Melancon – 24
Posada – 37
Molina – 33
Cervelli – 23
Teixeira – 29
Cano – 26
Jeter – 34
ARod – 33
Peña – 23
Damon – 35
Swisher – 29
Nady – 30
Melky – 24
Matsui – 34
30 players. Average age: 28.88
Now, say we take Smoltz out (since he’s not really on the team yet) and we give Wakefield an age discount since he’s a knuckleballer and a freak of nature… we’ll call him a 30 year old instead of a 42 year old. (I think I’m being generous here.)
If you take Smoltz out and Kennedy out and give Wakefield a discount, now your average ages are 28.71 for the Sox and 29.03 for the Yankees. We’re older, but less than a full year older.
More drilldown, operating from those pro-Sox adjusted totals:
Starting five v. starting five:
Sox 28.2 (Beckett, Lester, Matsuzaka, “30 year old “Wakefield, Penny)
Yanks 29.6 (CC, Burnett, Pettitte, Joba, Wang)
Bullpen and extra starters/swingmen)
Sox 27.2 (Masterson, Buchholz, Bowden, Papelbon, Okajima, Delcarmen, Saito, Ramirez, Jones, Bard)
Yanks 27.6 (Hughes, Aceves, Mo, Bruney, Coke, Marte, Veras, Edwar, Albaladejo, Robertson, Melancon)
Position players:
Sox 30.0 (Varitek, Kottaras, Youkilis, Pedroia, Lowrie, Lugo, Lowell, Bay, Drew, Ellsbury, Baldelli, Ortiz, Kotsay)
Yankees 30.0 (Posada, Molina, Cervelli, Teixeira, Cano, Jeter, ARod, Peña, Damon, Swisher, Nady, Melky, Matsui)
Older? Hardly.
I think we put that one to bed.
I wake topics up from bed and kill them, cremate them, and scatter the ashes to the four winds.
Interesting. If I follow your reasoning, you argue that because the 7th oldest team in baseball, the Yankees, is marginally younger on average than the 5th oldest team in baseball, the Red Sox, it follows that the Yankees have no age issues on their roster.
Am I correct then in assuming that you believe the Yankees have no issues with age on the roster? Ok then. It doesn’t really play out that way — or at least, it hasn’t thus far, but ok. Isn’t it a bit silly to realize on May 12th that Jeter, Matsui, Posada, Rodriguez have already missed time with injuries and argue feverishly that the Yankees aren’t old at all? How is that argument tenable?
I absolutely concede that, statistically, the Red Sox are more or less the same age as the Yanks, but of course that was never part of my original, seemingly benign and obvious observation that the Yankees are old. I suppose we could ascribe the Yanks endless inability to get their lineup as planned on the field at the same time this past season and 6 weeks to poor conditioning or freakishly bad luck, but that seems not very reasonable.
And of course, I still would argue, that we depend to a larger degree on aging players in key spots than the Red Sox do — Pedroia, Ellsbury, Youklis, Ortiz, Papelbon and Bay as compared with RIvera, Jeter, Matsui, Posada, Rodriguez and Tex. I think we can throw Cano in there, too, and it evens it out a bit. But my point was never really about the Red Sox. Of the players I mentioned, only Ortiz looks old, while Matsui, Posada, Jeter and even A-Rod seems at times so to me. Do they not ever seem so to you?
I am amazed that so many obviously bright and well-informed fans can be so disdainful and dismissive (almost, perhaps, defensively so at times) of the idea that the Yanks, at times, look a little rickety.
Come on, Jack, that’s ridiculous.
You were the one that brought up the Yankees vs. Red Sox comparison as being prime example of the Yankees being too old and the Yankees being demonstrably older than the Red Sox. Not us, Jack. You.
Now that I’ve debunked that, you want to spin and say “Oh, well, I never said the Sox were a good comparison, of course, they’re old too!” That’s hilariously pathetic.
Actually, if you go back and read, that’s not even vaguely true. But of course the fact that the Yanks are old in key spots is the subject of a new post this morning, and for some reason you didn’t respond with the “Red Sox are just as old.” I responded to the whoever mentioned the Red Sox (’twasn’t me, despite your curious at attempt at revisionist history on this )by saying the idea that the Sox have the same age issues as the Yanks is incorrect. I stand by that.
And of course, all this started because I commented the Yanks are old — which I later amended to the Yanks in too many key spots are old. And once again, no one really addresses this. Because it’s demonstrably true.
watching gardner makes puppies cry
Girardi needs to ‘Willie Mays Hayes’ Gardner.
If the ball goes in the air, drop and do pushups.
the magic better win tonite
I’m seriously sick and tired of the Celtics.
Aw, they’re being so nice to Tex with the MVP chant. Maybe it’ll lift his spirits a bit.
And now they’re cheering him as a pick me up. Gosh they raise nice people up in the Great White North.
Ok, well, get ‘em next time little buddy.
Baseball noob question here.
Why are the Toronto announcers and fans all up in arms about a tipping of the hat by AJ from last year?
Because they’re Canadian.
They’re all hopped up on maple syrup.
Ah Tex…who would’ve thought his .259 career mark in APril is a number we’d be THRILLED to have him reach by Memorial Day?
Did I miss the game tonight?
Don’t worry I think their playing a late game today. Should be starting soon.
2:24?
Anyway, anyone who complains about the Yankees in this game is being douche-esque.
That’s it, I’ve had it with this team. The manager sucks, the pitching coach sucks, the GM sucks and the players all suck.
You can all kill me for being a fair-weather fan, but I’m telling you right this very minute that I will not watch another Yankee game for the next 21 and 1/2 hours!!!
I see what you did there.
ICWUDT
Learn the lingo, amigo.
I’m not your fwend, buddy!
Our bullpen sucks since Joba isn’t in it and apparently Joba = bullpen. Our starters apparently suck since CC is teh bust, AJ is teh bust, Petitte is old, Joba should be in the bullpen, Hughes sucks and Wang is utter garbage. Our bench sucks because Cashman is an idiot and Girardi is dumb because we need a scapegoat. Anything else I miss?
Dave Eiland.
You left out Dave Eiland.
Of course. He is making all our pitchers suck!!!!!! Everything on the Yankees suck. We should demote all of our Ml’ers and call everyone up from AAA!! The Yankees = worst team in baseball.
and we need a new trainer
Please trade him to the Cardinals or something. You’re not gonna contend.
yay tex made contact
Well…that was crappy. But, it was Roy Halladay and “Roy Halladay” is Canadaian for “Pitcher who makes your favorite team look crappy”.
I don’t think you’re giving Halladay enough credit. It’s also Canadian for “one of the best pitchers in the AL East.” He’s 7-1 with a sub-3.00 and just dominated the strike zone tonight. No team is going to beat that.
It’s also Canadian for “one of the best pitchers in
the AL East.the world.”“Pitcher who makes every team look crappy”.
unless your favorite team is the red sox
Roy Halladay career ERA vs. Yankees = 3.45
Roy Halladay career ERA vs. Red Sox = 2.95
FUCK! That’s the second time today I’ve totally mis-quoted an important stat.
Roy Halladay career ERA vs. Yankees = 2.86
Roy Halladay career ERA vs. Red Sox = 4.46
You’re in your decline phase. Time to go take some CEDs.
Cogitation Enhancing Drugs?
Commenting Enhancing Drugs.
I like my word better, it’s more obfuscating.
So’s your face.
No, my face is pulchritudinous, not obfuscating. I can’t see why you’d be so easily abashed by the rather lucid divarication of the guilelessness of the two terms.
How obtuse of you.
SCIENCE!!!
i think tex thinks its illegal to bat righty against a righty when your a switch hitter.
It wouldn’t have mattered.
It’s Roy Halladay.
I think most switch-hitters are so used to batting from the opposite side that they can’t go the other way.
I sure hope they show some balls tomorrow and play better….
I sure hope they show some balls tomorrow.
I think it’s a little late to try and impress them.
If you zoom in it looks like a landscape, but no… those are balls.
/Barry Zuckerkorn’d
Awesome game, 43,000 strong at the Dome agree! Thanks for another great one Doc.
Go find a rock and crawl under it.
Why don’t sit this one out, Champ. This dude is our guest Jays blogger, so he’s alright.
That’s the perfect way to respond to an opposing team’s fan who comes here to gloat. Let him know he got under your skin.
He’s been posting with us for most of the game…
Right, and the best way to respond to a troll is by ignoring him. That doesn’t mean I do it.
Meh, I wouldn’t call him a “troll” per se.
He’s more like an unwelcome but invited guest. Like a mother-in-law.
Nah, I didn’t mean he was a troll. I was responding to congressman who suggested I shouldn’t let him know he got under my skin.
Haha, ok, I’ll allow it.
/Charlie Kelly’d
Mr Jays fan, Please explain the hat tipping outrage thing. It seems even more absurd than the fistpump outrage thing.
Thanks.
He tipped his hat to the home crowd in response to getting booed, right? Whatevs. Canadians are so dramatic, if you catch my drift.
I was not at all trying to be disrespectful, and would have made great comments about AJ if he had thrown a gem. I respect the game too much to gloat, and apologize if that’s how it sounded. I was just really encouraged by the big crowd after what has been a 20% drop in attendance at the Dome and by the performance made by Doc, which takes all of the pressure off the 2 rookies coming up after him.
As for the troll thing, I’m about the right height for that, but way too good looking…..lol.
i tip my imaginary cap to halladay, he was terrific
Jason Werth stole home. He’s just copying Jacoby Ellsbury who was the first person to ever steal home in a baseball game.
Jason Werth just doesn’t seem to have the grit that the almighty Jacoby Ellsbury has.
J-A-Y-S-O-N
I can never remember if it’s he or Bay who spells his name that way. My bad.
Jason Bay’s middle name is Raymond.
Jay Ray Bay.
Rats>Mice>Worms>Roaches>pond scum>Russ Salzberg.
Sounds about right.
Oh, what now?
Fine.
Russ Salzberg>Bill James.
Happy?
No, no, no, what did Salzberg say or do to which you refer?
I knew it! Carmen Angelini didn’t make an error tonight, that prick.
http://ecobobble.files.wordpre.....lation.png
Atleast Wang pitched good down in AAA tonight
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....8;sid=t531
That’s nice but Hughes pitched well there too. We need some pitchers who can pitch well consistently at the Major League level.
But at least Wang seems to be putting it back together. We need him back. When is he scheduled to come back?
The Yanks haven’t stated a set return date – depends on his progress.
Oh well no need to rush.
Depends on what we can expect from Hughes going forward. If he can manage a 4.00-4.50 ERA, they’re fine. If it’s more of what we saw against Boston and the O’s, well . . .
(Disclaimer: am not expecting Hughes to be nearly that bad, but you have to prepare for all possibilities)
Wang IP 6 H 3 R 0 BB 3 SO 6
Pitches-strikes: Wang 82-49
Groundouts-flyouts: Wang 7-4
Don’t like the strike ratio, the 3 walks is a bit much for AAA, and the GO/FO could be better. Think he needs another start.
Those stats say he is not ready yet for the bigs
They’re not bad, I just suspect they will give him one more. He shouldn’t be striking that many guys out, he’s not that type of pitcher. Could mean his ball was up.
Eh, you’d expect his K-rate to be higher in the minors.
His career minor-league K-rate is 7.1/9, although that includes some pre-sinker years, I believe.
At this point…maybe the 50/50 “Which Hughes is going to show up?” gamble is a better option…but in reality…Hughes hasn’t had a good start since his first one…so I guess the odds aren’t really 50/50…or even close. They’re far worse.
I guess you could call the Wang or Hughes start a coin toss…with the outcome seemingly looking bad either way. Even though both are capable of stellar performances…something very strange is going on where that’s just not the case…with literally any of our starters unfortunately.
Hah, Alex Cora is playing first for the Mets with a regular infielder’s glove.
He wins ballgames
doc halladay is good.
Ok… That’s the first time I’ve seen the Keith Hernandez mustache SNY commercial… That’s pretty hilarious.
So when do you guys think this team will actually start playing like they’re suppose to?
Every year we should look forward to the inconsistencies, injuries, and slow starts now? It’s been going on quite a few years now…
They either do this on purpose…or there is something very strange going on…
Ehh slow starters. But hey Axl I’m beginning to respect you more each and everyday as a Yankee fan. It is no longer irrational hatred, it is now logical thinking.
It’s frustrating, but I’d rather have a slow start than fizzling out after the All-Star break or a September collapse.
I hope you’re seeing into the future. I really do.
Streaker at Mets game
http://tinyurl.com/p9tdx4
Oh, Popavero.
Over/under on game threads this year with no spillover threads: set at 10.
Taking the under.
There is no shame in being shut down by Halladay, but if either Girardi or another announcer gush over an AJ or CC start as great that results in 7+ IP and 4-5 runs, I give up. It’s an average start at best and these guys are being paid Johan Santana money.
No shame? Getting shut down by anyone is shameful. In this case it’s just expected. I think they loose the games in their head before they step on the field against Doc.
Great. So now Coke is hurt? This has to be a God Damned joke already.
WHAT?!!?
http://blogs.nypost.com/sports.....lined.html
This is getting fucking ridiculous. EVERYONE and their mother is getting hurt.
This team is just plain bad right now.