Jul
15

Staten Island jacks their way to a win

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(the post title is an ode to a short lived FOX sitcom, two points if you can guess which one)

Keith Law says that after watching him at the Futures Game, Jesus Montero reminds him of Frank Thomas because of the way he hits off his front foot.

Triple-A Scranton is off until tomorrow. The All Star Game is on ESPN2 right, but if you can’t watch you can follow along via Gameday and chat about it here.

Double-A Trenton is off until tomorrow for the All Star Break. Jorge Vazquez has a shoulder injury and was unable to participate in this afternoon’s Homerun Derby, which was won by New Jersey high schooler Mike Fassl. No, really. A high school kid won the Double-A Eastern League Homerun Derby. As for the actual game, the Southern All Stars beat their Northern counterparts 5-3.
Eduardo Nunez: 2 for 3, 1 RBI – started at short & batted second
Reegie Corona: 1 for 2 – took over at short in the top of the 6th
Jorge Vazquez: 0 for 3 – started at DH & batted fifth
Jesus Montero: 2 for 2, 1 PB – took over behind the plate in the top of the sixth
Zach McAllister: 1 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 0 K, 1-2 GB/FB – 11 of 16 pitches were strikes (68.8%) … started the game for the Northern Division
Josh Schmidt: 1 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 1 K, 1-0 GB/FB – 10 of 17 pitches were strikes (58.8%) … pitched the fourth
Mike Dunn: 1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 2 BB, 0 K, 1-2 GB/FB - 10 of 21 pitches were strikes (47.6%) … pitched the sixth

High-A Tampa (8-1 loss to Daytona) RABer Andy in Sunny Daytona was at the game, and took a pic of Pat Venditte chillin’ in the bullpen
Dan Brewer, Brandon Laird & Brian Baisley: all 1 for 4 – Brewer drove in a run … Laird K’ed … Baisley K’ed & committed a fielding error
Matt Cusick: 3 for 4, 1 R, 1 3B, 1 BB, 1 K
Austin Romine & Damon Sublett: both 0 for 4 – Romine drove in a run, K’ed & allowed three stolen bases
David Adams: 1 for 3, 1 R, 1 2B, 1 BB
Ryan Zink: 3 IP, 11 H, 8 R, 8 ER, 2 BB, 2 K, 2 WP, 3-4 GB/FB – 16 ER allowed in his last 21 IP
Noel Castillo: 3 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 5 K, 2-2 GB/FB
Phil Bartlewski: 2 IP, zeroes, 2 K, 0-4 GB/FB

Low-A Charleston (4-1 loss to Hickory)
Jose Pirela & Chase Weems: both 1 for 3 – Pirela drew a walk … Weems allowed a passed ball & committed a throwing error
Addison Maruszak: 2 for 3, 1 2B, 1 BB – 13 for his last 25 (.520)
Everyone Else: combined 0 for 21, 1 R, 1 RBI, 1 BB, 5 K – Taylor Grote drove in Melky Mesa, who had been hit by a pitch, for the team’s only run with a groundout
Manny Banuelos: 5 IP, 7 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 1 BB, 5 K, 6-4 GB/FB – it’s a shame he didn’t get into the Futures Game, I was looking forward to seeing him in action
Brad Rulon: 3 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 5 K, 1 HB, 1-3 GB/FB
Gabriel Tatis: – just up from the GCL

Short Season Staten Island (9-1 win over Mahoning Valley)
Jimmy Paredes: 2 for 4, 2 R, 1 2B, 1 3B, 1 RBI
Carmen Angelini: 0 for 5, 1 E (fielding)
Zoilo Almonte, Neil Medchill & Luke Murton: all 1 for 4, 1 R – Almonte hit a solo jack … Medchill went deep, drove in four, K’ed & committed a fielding error
Kyle Higashioka: 0 for 4, 1 R, 1 BB
DeAngelo Mack: 3 for 5, 1 R, 1 2B, 1 HR, 2 RBI – first career jack
RJ Baker: 1 for 3, 1 R, 1 HR, 1 RBI, 1 BB
Sean Black: 5 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 1 K, 4-9 GB/FB – that’s a nice pro-debut for this year’s 7th rounder
Paul Patterson: 1 IP, 0 H, 1 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 2 K, 1-0 GB/FB – two errors and a groundout led to the run
Kelvin Perez: 2 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 2 K, 2-2 GB/FB
Griffin Bailey: 1 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 3 K, 1 WP

Rookie GCL Yanks (11-9 win over GCL Braves in 10 innings) they’re now a league leading 15-4 on the season
Jud Golson: 2 for 6, 3 R, 1 RBI, 2 K, 1 SB
Jose Toussen & Yunior Tabares: both 2 for 4, 2 R, 1 HBP – Toussen was hit by a pick, drove in a run & committed a fielding error
Kevin Mahoney: 2 for 6, 2 2B, 3 RBI, 1 K – doubled in the go ahead runs in extras … 13 of 17 hits have gone for extra bases
Kelvin DeLeon, Eduardo Sosa & Jose Mojica: all 1 for 5 – DeLeon was hit by a pitch & K’ed four times, giving him 27 K in 69 at-bats … Sosa drove in two runs & K’ed twice … Mojica K’ed & committed a pair of fielding erros
Jhorge Liccien: 0 for 3, 2 R, 1 BB, 1 K, 1 PB, 1 HBP
Isaiah Brown: 1 for 4, 1 R, 1 HR, 3 RBI. 1 HBP
Nik Turley: 5 IP, 7 H, 5 R, 5 ER, 1 BB, 2 K, 2 WP, 2 HB, 3-7 GB/FB – picked a runner off first
Dickie Marquez: 1 IP, 2 H, 3 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 2 K, 1 WP, 1 Balk, 0-1 GB/FB
Shane Greene: 2 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 0 RBI, 0 BB, 2 K, 1 WP, 3-1 GB/FB – first run he’s allowed as a pro
Paul Heidler: 1 IP, zeroes, 2 K, 0-1 GB/FB
Dan Miller: 1 IP, zeroes, 1 K, 0-2 GB/FB

Categories : Down on the Farm

125 Comments»

  1. Over on LoHud, SJ44 said something that at GCL the strikeouts are not a tremendous concern–

    Any truth to this?

    • Doesn’t make sense–striking out a lot facing inferior pitchers doesn’t bode well for when the prospect faces superior pitchers

      • Andy In Sunny Daytona says:

        He’s probably working on taking a lot of pitches, so he probably sees himself with a lot of 2 strike counts. If he’s swinging and missing at alot of pitches, then there is a potential problem.

      • pat says:

        Yeah but these kids are 17 and 18 they haven’t really played a lot of organized ball. Also, the Yankees frequently put their big hitters on the “patience program” where they make them see 2 or 3 pitches an AB before being allowed to swing. This leads to more K’s as they are frequently in pitchers counts but it helsp them see more pitches and be more selective.

  2. Accent Shallow says:

    I know it’s a pitcher’s league, and Trenton is a pitcher’s park, but a high school kid? I don’t know what to say.

    • Andy In Sunny Daytona says:

      He got to use a metal bat, didn’t he?

      • TurnTwo says:

        yeah he did, and it was clear a couple of the HS kids HRs were metal bat HRs… but they hit a couple a shots themselves that would have been out if they had a wood bat in their hand… and the kid that won lived on the warning track with his other outs… but the AA paticipants were awful.

        when dopirak hit a HR, it was a BOMB.

        Tosoni didnt hit a single HR, and Weglarz fouled off like 5 of his outs into the 3B stands.

        • TurnTwo says:

          and the winning prize for the HS kid in the HR derby was an authentic autographed Hank Aaron bat, and like a $350 gift card to Dick’s sporting goods.

          overall a day he’ll never forget… and the crowd gave him a nice ovation for it, too.

  3. pat says:

    Turley just a little bit wild tonight.

  4. Reggie C. says:

    C’mon Keith! Cut the kid some slack. Only Frank Thomas? (yawning) I was hoping for a Babe Ruth comp … my night’s ruined.

    • Accent Shallow says:

      Without the full quote, I don’t know if he was comparing their batting stances, or comparing Montero’s potential to Thomas.

      Obviously, the latter is preferable. :)

  5. Doug says:

    maybe DeLeon should stay where he is just a wee bit longer, huh

  6. Doug says:

    wasn’t sure everyone could see law’s montero analysis since it’s behind the insider wall:

    Part I: “Montero showed big power in batting practice with a tightly wound swing that he unleashes on the ball with good bat speed, and he’s got a great idea of the strike zone for any hitter, much less one as young as he is. His arm is fine behind the plate, but he’s big and slow for a catcher, and it is optimistic to think he’ll stay there long-term. Fortunately, that bat will play anywhere.”

    Part II: “I wrote about Montero on Sunday, but after looking over his batting practice video, I noticed that he glides pretty severely during his swing, so he’s hitting off his front foot by the time he makes contact. I don’t think it means anything at this point — he’s so strong that he’s hitting for power despite it — but it’s something to keep in mind if his power production down the line is a little less than expected. For what it’s worth, the comparison that came to mind as I watched the video frame by frame was Frank Thomas, who hit 521 home runs with his weight on his front foot.”

    • If Jesus Montero = Frank Thomas, I’m okay with that.

    • Reggie C. says:

      Really interesting observation. Nice job Keith.

      there is a comp however that goes beyond the swing and stride. Keith notes Montero’s raw power and that was something Frank Thomas possessed in abundance , which apparently allowed Frank the luxury of not having to alter his swing as he got older. Can’t believe he’s still playing….

      Look at those OBP numbers in the early 90s. Absolutely insane. It’d be nice if Montero instilled that type of fear in pitchers.

    • CB says:

      Frank Thomas has a career OPS+ of 156. Dimaggio career OPS+ was 155. Frank Robinson – 154. Honus Wagner – 150. ARod – 147. Mike Piazza – 142.

      Thomas is tied for 19th highest OPS+ of all time.

      Frank Thomas was an all time great. He’s a first ballot hall of famer.

      That comparison by Law speaks volumes about Montero. Thomas had an unreal command of the strike zone coupled with tremendous raw power. He was one of the select few players who is gifted enough to generate enormous power without overswinging. He had an all time great approach at the plate.

      He’s one of the players whose value and perception is most hurt by playing in the steroid era as his numbers aren’t fully appreciated.

      Law doesn’t throw around comp’s like that left and right.

      • Doug says:

        guys, must temper expectations some. re-read what law said. the thomas comparison was solely based on hitting off his front foot on contact.

        • CB says:

          The point law was making in total was Montero’s ability to hit off his front foot and still generate significant power. That’s the impetus for the Thomas comparison. And that says alot.

          Hitting off your front foot has it’s minuses but it also has it’s advantages (e.g. don’t severly undercut the ball and can stay on top of it). You can generate a lot of hard hit line drives. But you might not generate enough lift to turn those line drives into HR’s.

          And how many times do you see Law comparing any prospect to a first ballot Hall of Famer.

          If it was someone else I’d take with a grain of salt. But Law tends to be hyper-critical and doesn’t make outlandish comps – especially to all time greats.

          Sure the chances of Montero ever producing like Thomas are minute but that’s a high complement for Law to pay. He just doesn’t do that kind of thing much.

  7. Doug says:

    And here’s some ESPN DeLeon analysis from before today’s game:

    “DeLeon got a $1.1 million bonus before the time when seven-figure checks were handed out like candy in the Dominican. Now in his stateside debut, scouts who have seen him play are relaying stellar reports: plus-plus raw power and excellent overall athleticism to go with his .359/.406/.594 batting line — but also a tendency to swing at anything, a trend that needs to be overcome (23 K’s in 64 at-bats). For now, the positives far outweigh the negatives.”

    • Reggie C. says:

      Soriano redux??

      It’ll be nice to see him get alittle face time in Staten island. Its good to have a RF prospect in this system. Heathcott hopefully signs soon and gives us another RF prospect.

    • Accent Shallow says:

      That’s about the best one can hope for in a player so young, no?

      I’m not getting excited until . . . low A?

    • I’ve heard a lot of Melky comps for DeLeon, and I’ve never hard “plus-plus [70] raw power” before. I’ll hold my enthusiasm till he makes Tampa.

      • daneptizl says:

        Have you seen De Leon… Melky’s short and thick while De Leon kind of has a Vlad-like body in that he has a thick upper half and not quite as proportionate legs(thinner than you’d expect).

    • A.D. says:

      excellent overall athleticism

      I thought this was exactly the knock on him, that he wasn’t the natural athlete one is used to. But thats probably just the quality of reports one gets out of the Latin American hype machine.

  8. YankeeFan says:

    Medchill continues to impress…

  9. James Varghese says:

    Got to see the AA all-star game and I gotta tell you, Jesus is quite a bit larger in person than I expected. In his crouch, he looked to be bigger than a couple of the other players (course, they were 5’7″, 5’8″ but still…)

  10. Andy In Sunny Daytona says:

    Tampa got nickeled and dimed to death tonight. Dayotna maybe hit three balls hard all night. Tampa, on the other hand crushed alot of pitches right at players.

    My friends son got some autographs after the game, and he asked Brian Baisley for his bat, Baisley said “You don’t want this one, it has a lot of holes in it.” I feel bad for him. Seems like a good guy, but I’m sure the writing is on the wall for him.

  11. Damn, Jackson smoked that thing, but right at the third baseman.

  12. Reggie C. says:

    Congrats to Sean Black for pitching well in his debut. I wish the tri-state area product mucho success.

  13. Reggie C. says:

    From Baseballprospectus chat:
    Bill (NYC): Follow up re Montero – when do the Yanks consider changing positions? When they have to, I guess? Or would it be wise to let him start learning LF?

    Kevin Goldstein: So, so many Montero questions. Look, if it’s not C, it’s 1B/DH. I can’t see any way that works in the outfield.

    - I agree with Goldstein. We’re talking a major league OF people! Guys who look like Montero should not be playing the OF.

    • Doug says:

      well, we got a bit of a problem at 1B. and DH will probably be relegated to our aging veterans… posada anyone

    • YankeeFan says:

      Isn’t Montero still valuable even if he can only catch split time like he was doing in Tampa with Romine? I’d take advantage of it even if he may not be able to play all his games behind the plate. A little bit of catching, DH a bit, and get him use to first base.

      • Johan Iz My Brohan says:

        By the time Teixeira’s contract is up Montero could go to 1B I’d imagine. He would be 26-27 (?) by that time, during the time of his peak. I would have no problem with Montero behind the plate for 4-5 years (assuming he still has 2 years in the minors) until Tex’s contract is up.

      • Reggie C. says:

        “…get him use to first base.” – Forget ’bout that one. Teixeira has got it locked down forever.

        I do agree that creating a role for Montero as a split time catcher and DH looks like the kid’s “in.” A couple years down the line, I would hope that the catching roles would be split b/w Posada and Montero. Whenever Posada’s catching, you DH montero.

        • Reggie C. says:

          Dang. i hated excluding Cervelli.

          Perhaps leaving Montero at DH full-time would be the way to go, and he could get mentored by Cerv and Posada on the side for the year till Posada’s contract ends. It looks like Montero’s bat could get him to the bigs in 2011.

          • Max says:

            Fransisco Cervelli is a backup catcher in the major leagues. Don’t feel bad about not putting him in future plans.

      • VO says:

        This may part of my rediculous fan coming out in me but maybe because A-Rod will be using some time as the DH (like they said about the againg veterans) he could move over to third for those games, or when Teix needs a day off he moves to first for the day, and on the other days he will Catch or maybe DH.

        • Doug says:

          but these are positions he has never played before. not sure how easy it is to “move over to third”

          • VO says:

            Yea, obviously it’s not easy just to change positions but if that’s the route the took, they could work on it in the minors. But in all likeliness it obviously wont happen.

    • He wasn’t THAT thick. He ran OK too. With that arm, I’m thinking RF, though, for some reason, the idea hasn’t gotten steam.

    • Guys who look like Montero should not be playing the OF.

      Paul O’Neill: 6’4″, 215
      Juan Rivera: 6’4″, 225
      Shelley Duncan: 6’5″, 215
      Chili Davis: 6’3″, 210
      Mark Whiten: 6’3″, 215

      Jesus Montero: 6’4″, 225

      That’s just guys who have played for us recently that I can think of off the top of my head.

      • Doug says:

        true, but at only 19, have a feeling he’s still going to get a bit bigger as he moves into his 20s and fills out

      • VO says:

        Just for the hell of it look over accros town at Jeff Francouer 6’4″, 220.

      • Reggie C. says:

        Your listing their weights when these guys were at their respective primes. Montero’s probably 220 right now. South Americans eat bro. I know. I’m one of ‘em. Look at Miguel Cabrera.

        Besides several of those guys probably were 2-sport athletes. Some of them were very good athletes. O’Neil was always slow footed, but at least didnt carry too much weight.

      • Mike Axisa says:

        Those guys were able to get away with it because they were more athletic than Montero. Joe Mauer and Matt Wieters are at least as big as Montero, if not bigger, but they’re on another level defensively, allowing them to catch in the big leagues.

        If Montero can catch for his first two or three years before having to move, I’ll take it.

        • Frankly, if he’s going to hit like an elite 1B/DH at the plate, we can live with him fielding like a 1B/DH playing out of position in LF.

          I’m not asking for him to be Melky Cabrera out there. Just asking him for to be able to not accidentally kill himself.

          • Doug says:

            exactly the oakland a’s philosophy during their “moneyball” years

          • Max says:

            Melky is average really in the OF, but even that is a stretch to ask of Montero. The defensive value of a corner OF can’t just be thrown away. An Adam Dunn type in the OF is barely helpful to his team overall because his defense is so bad. I’d be happy to get 2-3 years of split time with Posada, and after that a full time DH occasional catcher role. At that point Romine might be ready to do most of the actual catching. That point being 2-3 years.

        • TurnTwo says:

          and honestly, ive seen him twice now in the last two weeks, and he’s a lot more athletic than i was giving him credit for. i would guess that he could stick in a corner OF position… he runs a lot better than i thought he would

          watching him catch, i can understand how clumsy his footwork is, and why people think he might not be able to stick…

          if i’m Cashman, i would assign Tony Pena to work with Montero all winter and see how he comes back next year.

      • Ivan says:

        To be fair, he’s not as athletic as those guys.

      • daneptizl says:

        Nitpicking, but I didn’t believe Rivera was at 6′ 4” and saw he was at 6′ 2″. It also doesnt like like the difference between O’Neill and Montero is 10 lbs.

    • Zach says:

      If Adam Dunn can survive for 8+ years in the OF, Montero can too

      • VO says:

        Positive thinker.

      • Max says:

        Adam Dunn is almost a no win player cuz his defense is so bad. Everyone seems to be so quick to sacrifice a corner OF spot defensively. I don’t want to lower Montero’s value to the team because he’s playing out of position. Adam Dunn is not a good comparison.

  14. Johan Iz My Brohan says:

    I would love to know Medchill’s Major League comparisons. He is beasting short-season ball, I know he is 22, but I imagine that he is good enough to breeze through the system. How high is his ceiling? It seems like he has tons of potential.

  15. Johnnyboy says:

    Is A-Jax in the all star game?

  16. Miles Roche says:

    Gabriel Tatis had a cute line tonight for Tampa. . .

  17. TurnTwo says:

    by the way, let me just say that if anyone had any thoughts that Montero might get moved in a Halladay deal, or whoever the big name that is available is, FUGHETTABOUTIT.

    from the moment i got in when the gates opened at 2:05pm, Cashman was on the field with Jesus, and Jesus was attached to Cashman’s hip like a pig in slop all night.

    between the media interviews, the autograph signings, and the HR derby, Cashman and Jesus were teo peas in a pod.

    while Jesus was catching the second half of the game, Cashman was sitting 5 rows or so deep right behind the plate.

    Jesus wasnt great behind the plate… there was one throw where it was bang/bang, and the base was stolen on the pitcher… and there was another throw where he looked clumsy out of his stance, and threw it 10 feet short and hopped it to the 3B side of the bag.

    and then there was a fastball that he didnt even bother to catch… couldnt get to the high ball quick enough, and it smacked the HP umpire straight in the mask… he didnt look like he appreciated that one.

  18. pat says:

    Haha lolz at this guy throwing 50 mph curveballs.

  19. TurnTwo says:

    on the flip side, i couldnt believe how tiny, comparatively speaking, Carlos Santana was, especially given his power numbers.

    McAllister looked sharp in his one inning, and he got squeezed a little bit on the bottom part of the strike zone, or else he may not have even given up his one hit.

    and he was having fun signing during the autograph session before the game… Michael Dunn was sitting next to him, and it seemed like all the Trenton players knew it was Montero, and then McAllister, and then everyone else.

  20. emac2 says:

    I thought you were fixing the 4 strikeouts

  21. j says:

    nice thread name.

  22. jsbrendog says:

    someone, namely me, got monstero’s autograph yesterday. awesome

  23. Lou says:

    Deleon looks like a baby Vlad Gurerro in body type

  24. JohnC says:

    DeLeon should saty the entire season in GCL. Plate discipline and pitch recognition take time to grasp. Thats why he shouldn’t be rushed to any level. Just like Austin Jackson.

  25. Ari says:

    Given all the trade talks and the fact that we’re at the half-way point, how about a post running down the Yankees top 10-15 minor leaguers/trade chips?

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