This is the official change of luck thread.
Gaudin will let up no hits from hereon out.
Well there goes Chicago’s lead….
It worked!! Boston just tied it up at 3!!
Sorry, couldn’t resist I’ll go away now….
Sweet, we’ll need it.
OK, offense, we have “only” 4 innings left and Gaudin needs to hold them there
I am thisclose to dropping Joba in the RAB fantasy league. Thisclose.
Joba was so frustrating tonight.
At least we get to see Neftali pitch.
Ooo, that’ll be fun, especially when A-Rod turns on one and drills it out to the bullpen.
yes! we have ruined bard, bowden and now neftali.
One of these things is not like the others . . .
Well, the only earned run he has allowed came off a home run. He has a 0.349 WHIP in 14.1 IP. That sounds pretty unsustainable.
Hey, two quick outs! The rest of the inning will now take 30 minutes.
I need to STFU.
Looks like it.
I might have to ban you for that.
Do what you gotta do.
I fucking hate myself.
“Not much choice is there? It’s either this or put him in the bullpen where he doesn’t belong and, frankly, doesn’t need him.”
just to continue, he should’ve swapped roles with hughes. not sure why this wasn’t considered. how can it be a good idea to have a young kid throw with no consistency. 7 days, 8 days, 100 days. never knows when he’s pitching.
Because putting him in the bullpen could open him up to an injury risk. I think that’s the reason Hughes isn’t in the rotation.
injury for who…joba or hughes? and having joba pitch every whatever day must be real good for his arm
Both. The transition would most likely not be good for either one of them. I, however, believe Hughes never should’ve been turned into a reliever.
yes giving his LESS innings is going to hurt his arm.
Could be an injury risk for both. The Yankees tried with this last year with Joba and got burned. They’re not messing around with back-and-forth roles anymore.
And even if Hughes and Joba swapped, Hughes would have the same innings limits and complications as Joba.
Plus…this whole plan got a wrench thrown into it with Wang going down for the season.
He knows when he’s pitching.
You can’t just “flip” him and Phil.
from everything i’ve read, all they’ve told him is that he’s pitch 6 more times. not when.
and Girardi said they have it all mapped out
so i think they tell Joba a little more than they tell the reports and you
if you say so
Relievers tend to not know when they’re pitching either. Joba is basically a mop up reliever who gets his innings in the beginning of the game.
that’s a great role for your 23-year old phenom
A) having him throw on regular rest until August when he reaches an inning limit and is shut down for the season?
B) Ignoring (FUCK YEA GAUDIN!!) inning limits and throwing him to the wolves?
C) Having him start for a couple months then go to the bullpen and max out for an inning a few times a week?
Pick your poison bro,maybe it’s just me. I’d prefer to keep him as a starter and give him extra rest so he can pitch all season. Apparently the Yankees think so too.
C) for me. like i said, once hughes was put into the pen, i would’ve swap he and joba once the latter was 15 innings or so away from his innings limit
That’s overkill don’t you think? He’s been inconsistent for sure, but he’s had stretches where he’s been overpowering.
True, he’s not mop up quality of course. I was just comparing him to what bullpen role he would have. He needs innings, so mop up duty would be the most likely scenario. Although what they’re doing with phranchise would seem to contradict that.
yes, but every since they been stretching out his starts, he’s been pounded
Yankee Stadium officially consists of nothing but fair territory.
get the 3rd fucking out
I call a CRUZ hr right here.
Why do our pitchers forget how to pitch with 2 outs?
Is Gaudin really an upgrade over a depressed Duchsherer?
Because he doesn’t have clinical depression (that we know of) or a weird bowel problem (that we know of).
If I had a weird bowel problem, I would definitely be depressed.
Okay this 2 out thing is beyond ridiculous.
fucking is killing me
That’s no way to live.
This two out thing is getting to be ridiculous. Maybe Eiland should make a trip to the mound after the second out of the inning is recording nine times a game.
Wouldn’t be the worst idea. It’s happened every series since Chicago.
Theres a reason 2 NL clubs gave up on Gaudin for nothing. And one is the pitching desperate Padres.
I’m assuming you gave up on all 29 clubs before you realized that the Yanks were the best team? Is there anything about watching baseball that you enjoy?
The Yankees losing?
go back to your cave
Enough with the walks. The bloopers wouldn’t hurt nearly as much.
throw a fucking strike 3
Ask and you shall receive!
great job gaudin
This 2 out shit is very very embarrassing.
This is me trying to watch this game: http://tinyurl.com/d3xrly
White Sox got out of a bases loaded jam with Youk at the plate. Thank God.
Lanny, do you actually like the Yankees? I’m just curious about this.
You know he’s not going to answer you.
I actually have a feeling Lanny is just playing with us all pretending to be a troll and then he has another user name he actually posts with.
Another username like Bo?
Watching Gaudin and Joba back-to-back = torture.
hey dont forget what we saw on friday with mitre
You knew there was no way Mitre was going to manage to blow the game. I was just worried that Joe would get Rivera up.
Let’s throw in a meat tray to get it all over with.
we need base runners and Swish wants to homer…
Fudge-Ripple cakes all over the bathroom wall! We need a rally.
Holy shit! What a catch!
fucking marlon byrd
Melky has no luck. His GRITTNESS awaits!
Wow, great catch.
Melky could easily be 2-3 today.
Daamn, nice catch marlon.
Dang. Poor Melkman
Walk, single, or a homer?
Damn, Jeter, you just had to go for a double.
Jeter has been fantastic this year.
At least the Rangers have some 2 out thing too tonight…
good god, just relentless
Derek’s been doing his job this evening.
Oh boy. This could get ugly with Neftali coming in.
We get to see Nef. “Perez”. I’m excited to watch him pitch.
Heh, Sheff left tonight’s game with injury. If I was K-Rod, I’d be afraid. That team is like the Final Destination of injuries.
Oh, and JJ Putz is done for the year now too. Scar tissue in the elbow is giving him problems.
Has anything gone right for them?
Sure? I guess a .697 OPS hitter is something to be excited about when your season goes that way.
I’m pretty excited for this. I’m hoping he busts out the 90 MPH changeup.
Thanks for letting a shitty Kevin Millwood currently be the winning pitcher of record. Hopefully your next start on regular rest will be less disappointing.
*prays for Johnny*
Milwood could pass for Pedroia’s father if he weren’t that tall.
jesus christ. this guy is a little scary. but he has to implode sometime, right?
if he only he pulled it a little. just a little.
Feliz only reaches 97? Snooze. Wake me up when someone who throws hard comes in the game.
Tim Wakefield and R.A. Dickey are warming up!
feliz will have to go through tex, Arod, and 5th guy i forgot
good luck with that
Its Hideki. And the way things are going tonight, I wouldn’t be surprised to see him K the side.
5 runs in 7 innings is bad?
Ye of no faith!
Tex has proven he can bash a good fastball.
Bard and Zumaya concur.
He’s real scared with a 5 run lead.
Greinke 12 K through 6.
Wow, Alex Rios pops out on a 2-0 count. No wonder why the Jays traded him.
He was probably taking a nap for the first two pitches, awoke, and then just hacked at it.
yah, and the White Sox blew a 1st and 3rd with no outs…pathetic.
i hate him. he’s trash.
NO WALK!!! PLEASE!!!
Whatever, that guy’s not even that fast.
Fucking two-out walks!
No inning would be complete w/o a 2-out walk!
I want to punch my TV. We fans should get free tickets whenever a Yankee pitcher walks a guy with two outs.
Just let Borbon steal for the sake my fantasy team.
He doesn’t have to.
What the fuck is it with 2 god damn outs?
Is that 9 out of 9 two out runs today? Or was Cruz’ HR with less than 2? This is unfuckin real
Only one run w/o 2-outs and that was Cruz’s homer.
and that’s the night..
Hahah, awesome. Somebody tell me of the texas announcers are still bitching about the new stadium.
they aren’t complaining any more
funny how that works, huh?
this is like a night mare that will never end
2 outs suck.
This 2 out shit is fucking ridiculous.
Fucking joke. Yankees pitchers are as afraid of 2 outs as Cano.
The new strategy for any team facing the Yankees: just let the first two hitters get themselves out and the rest will do itself.
Two reasons to look on the bright side:
1) We are not Mets fans.
2) The closer of the Rangers gave up 6 ER in less than an inning to Boston a few weeks back. There’s still hope.
Man I tried to imagine myself as a Mets fan once.
I blacked out and when I came to my senses… I was about to hang myself. Scarey stuff I tell ya.
Gaudin and Mitre were the best Cashman could do to get some depth. Good thing for a 7 game lead.
Oh, Lanny, I miss you most of all…when we’re winning.
God damn, suck a fat one. Wonderboy produced Smoltz and Penny and all he has is a -7.5 game lead in the AL East.
But Smoltz and Penny can easily win more games than CC and AJ. So they win.
Who the hell would you want? Halladay? Lee? Washburn? And how is Washburn doing by the way?
What would you have done? There weren’t many options that made sense.
Someone really needs to read the “no more 2 out runs” memo.
Girardi better leave Gaudin in there to finish this game. Might as well save the ‘pen for a game we can win.
Chad Gaudin is not good at baseball. Beating yourself just makes things worse.
Beating yourself just makes things worse.
Not all the time…..
Tex homer, I’m calling it.
Next time he comes to bat.
you’re no clairvoyant
holy shit, talk about fire.
Everyone who made idle comments about losing these games…fie on thee!
101. If this were the YES gun it would have registered as 113. Think we could sign Steve Nebraska, still?
neftali should stay in the pen =
I’m waiting for Joba-Hughes to the pen to make some comment about Feliz.
Did Matsui really just hook a 97mph fastball foul?
Hideki can’t catch up to 95+ mph fastballs.
Just what we need this guy hitting Matsui anywhere near his leg.
he only did that so he wouldn’t get teh BB charged to him.
If that hit his knee it would have turned to dust. And that was just a slider!
lol that was strike 3
lol jokes on me and jorge
Ball 2 looked like more of a strike then strike 3.
That’s been a ball all day, now the ump changes his mind. Jackass…
And the one that was called strike three was a ball. Suppose it evened out.
Dude already throws 100 and the ump gives him 5 inches off the plate. That’s just not fair
so brad lidge just sucks.
And Scott Linnebrink (sp?) just gave up a big home run. Red Sox 6-3.
What did he do now?
blew another save and skull fucking my fantasy team
I’m pretty sure that was his fourth straight day on the mound.
yes it was.
3 runs on 7 pitches takes talent.
Greinke with 14 K’s through 7. Dayyumm
Joe looks a little emaciated out there.
haha, i thought the same exact thing, “damn, did Joe lose weight?” I think it was just the camera angle.
The camera makes you lose 20 lbs.
Oh shit, there are two outs.
I hate how gaudin ate up a bunch of innings so we didn’t have to burn through the pen. What a dick.
im leaving for college in maryland on thursaday, so this is one of the last games i’ll see for a while, i want them to winnnn
MLBTV if you have the cash.
Go, Damaso! Work your way back, bud.
I wanted Wagner just for the draft picks. Imagine how fun DoTF could be next year?
damaso got the out
good job damaso
Way to go Marte. Dude could be UUUUUUUGE for us.
A healthy Marte could really give us a boost in the playoffs.
The Wendy Williams Show? It’s basically a fat Tyra, right?
wendy williams is a fuckin dude
“She” does look a bit like Rupaul.
Weezy has a beef with her?
yeah he mentioned her in a song and said she looks like a dude
they should just shut joba down for two weeks or something and bring him back when he can make his starts on reg. rest. this spread out starts thing doesnt seem to be the best strategy.
How would you account for the All-Star break? He was inactive for quite a while and pitched a gem. You can’t blame ineffectiveness on the layover. There are so many more issues that are clearly apparent.
im just saying what would make more sense, one start every 10 days or so or just shut him down until they can throw him on reg rest without going over the innings cap?
Wow, I was gone since the 5th and we’ve gone scoreless and given up 2 more HRs! Damn that sucks
At least they’re burning Feliz tonight.
The burning through Feliz is the silver lining.
Sit the hell down and don’t get up.
Come on yanks we need base runners.
What happened to OBP, Swish?
he met neftali the brutalizer
this is how it starts
42 pitches for Feliz. He’s got to be burned for the series, right?
Why would you use Feliz in a situation like today?
Because he can’t pitch in back-to-back games.
wow jeter, make that guy work for once
Are there any left handers that throw 100?
Herb Score was probably the hardest throwing lefty.
I say Steve Dalkowski (some say he touched 110 mph some say he reached 105 “only”)
I am only counting guys that had Major League careers.
CC Maxes out at 98. Ubaldo Jimenez, maybe, the guy averages 96 MPH, Matt Thornton is another guy that throws really really hard.
I fail, Jimenez is RHP, somehow I thought he was LHP, I don’t really know lefties that hits 100 mph really.
Ubaldo is a righty
Yeah, see above. I realized it pretty quick.
Yea, I saw but it was posted at the same time as me so I didnt see it before
yea, I forgot his name (plays for the A’s?)
Billy Wagner definitely did back in the day. Thorton touches 98-99 these days.
Yeah, Billy Wagner threw the most pitches clocked at 100 mph per season for a few years running.
Aroldis Chapman supposedly can
I heard he poops ice cream too.
Joba is naturally lefty, and he hit 100 out of the pen. That counts, right?
WhiteSox = Bitches
They better lose to us later in the week also!
Who cares. If the Yanks go .500 the rest of the way, Boston needs to play like, .700 ball just to tie.
I know and Im not scared at all bout the Sox but still hat every opponent of theirs lays down for them it seems.
Eh, you could say the same thing about the Yanks with all of our late-inning comeback wins.
well that’s nice
Another two out walk.
marte did an exceptional job
Marte just didn’t want to be the only one without a walk.
Good job Marte 2ks i think hes gonna be a big piece in the final month and postseason.
6 runs? Ain’t no thang
Somebody needs to say the most feared pitcher was Jim Rice, then come up with this genius explanation.
There we go.
no DP A-rod
I may regret this but, Frank Frank please??
Who is Frank Frank?
Nevermind. It’s the same guy who gave up 6ER in less than an inning to the Sox.
you wish is washingtons command.
now wish for us to tie the game!
Posada will have a walk off 6-run HR
maybe rally time?
He’s leaving already? I was starting to like that pitcher.
our offense is fearedd, just like Jim Rice was feared
our offense is fearedd, just like Jim Rice Bernie Williams was feared
the wink was suppossed to mean that Rice wasnt as feared as everyone now says he was lol
aww come onn i liked that pitcher! lol
Ron Washington not taking any chances today.
sweet we made them use Francisco in a 10-5 game!
The Yanks are feared.
Francisco throws three things: a fastball, a splitter, and chairs.
No, David, a three run homer would not be a rally killer. It would mean the Yankees were only down by two instead of five WITH NO OUTS.
Matsui loves the money shot. C’mon, Hideki!
no DP Hideki, Jorge Robbie, or anyone else
come on Matsui, hit a HR here and I’ll never make fun of your bad knees or call you leatherface ever again
Matsui is so fucking hot.
crap Robbies up. crap crap crap.
oh okay its posada.
Good hit Matsui.
The money shot!
Fuckin A!! c’mon Jorgie!!!
Tying run at the plate. Just sayin’.
Come on Jorge!
yay matsui, no DP Jorge
Tying run to the plate!
I’m going to miss Matsui if we let him go in offseason, he’s been all kind of awesome this year.
niceeeee infield hit babii.
WHATTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!! LOL HOLY SHIT
Maybe our luck is evening out. Everything dropped for Texas earlier on. Our turn!
Change of luck! I love baseball!
That was a lucky ass hit.
HOLY SHIT BITCHES.
YES! Cmon Robbie, no DP
RISP for Cano? Should we be happy about this?
Please Cano, I will personally shame anyone who mocks you if you come through here!
WE GOT THIS!
Never say die.
BASEBALL GODS GIVING US AN EPIC INFIELD HIT FOR POSADA AND A RISP HIT FOR ROBBIE!!!!
Sorry for caps.
Holy. Fucking. Shit.
Oh my god. Oh my god.
ROBBIE CANO, WHADDYA FUCKING KNOW.
I F…… love this team this teams never quits.
ROBBIE!!!!! Cmon Swisha, no DP
I told you guys about Francisco imploding (and that we should be happy we’re not Mets fans).
DO NOT FUCKING BUNT!!!!!
Come on swish! You need 4 more HRs to make it to 25
HOLY SHITE DUDES I got top piss but I cant get out of my chair. Too scared to change the luck!!!
BUNT? after so many singles…
Swisher needs a smack. Stupid play to bunt.
theres no reason swisher would bunt, girardi definitely put that play on
Girardi = Rally Killer
Please please please please no GIDP.
Robinson Cano = The Fucking Man
WHAT THE FUCK SWISHA
THAT’S WHY YOU DON’T BUNT ARGH.
I hate bunting.
Unreal… C’mon Melk
Why the hell do you bunt there?
Ah fuck the bunt! damnit Swish, cmon Melky no DP
If Melky hits into a DP, can we deport him back to the DR?
great job girardi, why the FUCK WOULD YOU HAND THEM AN OUT, THEY WERE HAVING A REALLY HARD TIME, PLUS SWISHER IS AN ON BASE MACHINE
god fucking dammit
doesnt anyone else think that bunting was stupid, or is it just me?
That was the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen.
Uneffin believable. I’ve been watching Girardi do this all season. Bunting with this offense? In this situation?
Okay. i get out of bed. Check my blackberry. 10-6 bases loaded, no outs.
i run to the fridge. Grab a cold Sam Adams. Don’t forget the bag of chips.
Down the stairs to the den. Flip on the tube. Cano just singled. 10-9, 1+3 no outs.
The beer goes to the lips. Swish is bunting. Thank god he doesn’t offer on the first pitch.
Please, please just be faking it.
Like that, game over.
The most potent offense in baseball. Francisco in complete meltdown.
Girardi, you are a complete cockblock.
Down the stairs to the den. Flip on the tube. Cano just singled. 10-9, 1+2 no outs.
Girardi called for that?
Joe Girardi: Bad manager or worst manager?
Melky just needs to survive. Just make sure Jeter comes up.
I blame the bunt.
yep, i cant say swisher wouldnt have made an out anyway, but why give the the out? i dont get it
wow, that sucked.
nice job Girardi.
way to fucking bunt
game over LOL
what a tease
oh well, girardi murdered the rally by handing them the first out
Jesus christ the bunt fucking killed this inning.
Yes it did. If anybody ever wants to know why giving up outs is a bad strategy, show them this inning.
The Rangers should go over to the other dugout and thank Girardi for the win.
That’s fucking shitty.
That’s a painful way to go out.
that pop up was idiotic
I like Girardi generally, but calling for the bunt in that situation is indefensible. This one is on him.
I wasn’t aware Girardi made a horrid bunt attempt. Thanks for the insight..
Sorry, but even if Girardi didn’t call for that bunt, he should’ve made sure Swisher did NOT try to bunt again after he squared up on that first pitch. Mindboggling that you’d give a pitcher who recorded 0 outs through 6 batters a free out.
Why the hell was Swisher bunting? Why? What the fuck?
That was piss poor baseball at the end. Ultimate blue balled half inning.
i can’t believe he bunted swisher, the guy is an ON BASE MACHINE
on top of that, the guy is having a hard time throwing strikes
Great call on Swisher bunting. Way to ruin the momentum, Joe.
I am not surprised.
Worse than a blow out loss emotionally…but Texas Bullpen?
Fuck you dudes, you gotta play tomorrow
Swisher isn’t paid for his bunting skills. If it were Melky, i’d understand.
unbelievable, why would handfeed them the first out when francisco was clearly struggling
i can see bunting melky to get to jeter but bunting swisher to get to melky?
I still think the bunt is the smart play, but it is apparent from watching until this part of the season that NICK SWISHER CANNOT BUNT.
If you want to bunt there, pinch hit.
Eff you Girardi. Know your personnel.
I know that there is a longstanding bunting philosophy, but really, how can you advocate a bunt when you’ve just put six guys in a row on base and haven’t made an out?
Why would you bunt there? I mean really.
The pitcher cant throw a fucking strike and he calls for a bunt.
Way to go Joe….way to f-ing go.
Anyone else REALLY afraid that there’s going to be a big situation in the playoffs and Girardi’s going to fuck it up by bunting?
Ill be shitting in my pants any time Girardi has a decision to make come playoff time in regards to bunting or his usage of the bullpen.
Lets just hope for all blowouts.
If he doesn’t learn his lesson here, then there’s something wrong with him. Really. If a person were to just re-watche this inning and see what that call did, I would think even the hardest of heads would realize that giving up outs is a very, very, very bad idea.
But he’s been doing that all season. Somehow being in the NL as a catcher screwed him up.
The circumstances in this case were so insane (what with the consecutive runners, 4 runs already in and zero outs) that it HAS to be rethought.
Just texted my friend that actually.
Are we sure Girardi called for the bunt there? Or was it Swisher just trying to be too cute?
Seeing as he squared to bunt on the pitch prior to bunting, I’m guessing it was called from the dugout. Had he squared on his own I think we would have heard Girardi screaming through the television set.
You really think over managing Joe didn’t make that call?
if GI Joe didnt call for it wouldnt he have told swish to swing after the first bunt attempt?
I guarantee you the Yankees have a blowout win tomorrow book it.
Would have preferred to lose 10-5. Now I’m going to lose sleep thinking about that clusterfuck of an inning.
Foreel. I got home and we were losing 8-5 so I was like oh well no big deal. 10-5 in the last inning I didnt care whatever a loss is no big deal, but now losing like we did plus with the stupid bunt makes this game frustrating as hell.
Luckily I didnt get to see Joba pitch tonight…
I have to say it again – that bunt call was just BRUTAL. This is not the National League in the 1970s. It’s Yankee Stadium 2, no outs, 2 runners on, tying run ALREADY IN SCORING POSITION, and an on base machine at the plate. And you call for the bunt? And you keep it on after ball one? ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME????? Dumbest call ever. Girardi cost us that one.
Swisher up against a guy who can’t throw strikes when a homer or gapper wins it. Yea lets have him bunt.
Girardi’s little ball prehistoric crap costs another game.
i still cant believe he bunted…
Well if Joba didn’t suck today we wouldn’t be cursing about Swisher’s bunt.
No, sorry, I can’t buy that. You play the hand you’re dealt. The “greater issue” might be Joba, but the issue of the moment is what went down in that 9th inning.
Don’t worry guys, Girardi’s just trying to help Texas knock Boston out of the Wild Card. Right? Right? Please tell me he lost this on purpose.
I’ll be a contrarian and say that in that situation, bunting is not a totally crazy idea, but this team is really bad at bunting. Jetes, Damon, Swisher, Robbie, etc are not good at laying down bunts, so they probably shouldn’t have done that.
Bunting isn’t a bad idea if the person at the plate is a bad hitter or a good bunter or the person next in the lineup is a good hitter or the person at the plate is very fast.
Swisher is a good hitter
Swisher is not good at bunting
Melky is not a good hitter
Swisher is not very fast
Swisher is also among the league leader in walks
Bad time to bunt
Yeah, I hope Joe realizes that soon, the team is not built like a national league team, most of the guys are not good at bunting so I do hope he will only do it with guys that can bunt a little (Gardner, Pena, Hairston)
You know honestly I would have preferred to lose by 5 then go out like that. BUT at least were still in 1st by a lot, Marte pitched good and we used their bullpen. We’ll come back tomorrow and get the 7 game lead back.
Girardi has got to be one of the dumbest managers in MLB. JOE, YOU’RE MANAGING THE NEW YORK YANKEES, NOT THE FLORIDA MARLINS! He always forgets that. Also, THE GUY HADN’T GOTTEN ANYBODY OUT! DON’T GIVE HIM OUTS! Jesus Christ what a dumb move.
What does managing the Yanks vs. the Marlins have to do with it? It’s a bad decision whether it’s in Yankee Stadium or in front of 47 fans in Land Shark.
I understand many people disagree with the bunt. The thing is, there was no bunt. There was a pop-out to third. If Swish bunts successfully and we don’t score I understand your beef with Joe. Right now, you should be pissed that Swisher couldn’t get the bunt down. I understand he’s not exactly a bunt-master but you have to get it down.
No. I understand bunting Melky to get to Jeter. In that case I would rip Melky for a bad bunt not Girardi for having him bunt.
But in this case no way do you bunt Swisher to get to Melky.
Look, Melky swung a good bat today. Melky flat out, has come through in the clutch this year. Melky has flat out won games. I understand he hasn’t been a great hitter as of late but, I’ll take Melky with a man on 2nd and 3rd with one out, down one in the bottom of the ninth any day.
IF Joe called for the bunt, he had a gut feeling and it may have been the right one. Swisher just didn’t do what Joe asked him to do.
And that’s why you don’t call for a bunt-slumper to bunt. The odds of it getting the job are unpredictable to Sterling’s standards!
*getting the job done
The fact that he’s not a “bunt-master” is exactly the point, though. You have a guy who gets on base at a great clip against a pitcher whose pitched 0.0 innings and given up 6 baserunners and 4 runs. Why is he bunting?
To put the go ahead run on second and the tying run on 3rd with less than two outs. An out ties the game. Many people will disagree with the bunt there. I understand that. I just don’t get killing Joe when Swish didn’t do what Joe wanted. Joe wanted a Sac-bunt, not a pop up. (Assuming he called for it)
Because Girardi WANTED to give away an out, as you put it. Whether Swisher was advancing the runners or not, he was still giving away a free out against a pitcher who could not get any of the previous 6 hitters out. I think that’s what most people here have a problem with.
meant to say WANTED to give away an out with a great on-base guy*
Oh I don’t disagree. As I’ve said, I understand that people disagree in general with the bunt in the majority of situations.
My whole point is that NO ONE is placing blame on Swish for popping up and not getting the job done. Joe asked him to do something and he didn’t do it. Then, J-Hair made a baserunning blunder when he came in specifically to run the bases. Joba blew up. Gaudin wasn’t exactly stellar. I understand people are venting and the bunt is fresh in their mind but I can’t stand the hate Joe gets after losses like these (Not from you specifically, just in general throughout the fandom).
I hear what you’re saying, and I’m not at all trying to place all the blame on Joe for losing this game, especially b/c as you said, both Joba and Gaudin were awful. He just seems to make lots of questionable, by-the-book in game decisions.
granted girardi calling for the bunt there was definately a mistake but i have a hard time ignoring jobas piss poor performance, gaudins poor relief performance, and hairston 1st move not bein back to second base on a hard hit ball basically right at him, and swisher not getting the bunt down even if it was a bad play u get the bunt down u move the runners over and we have 2 shots to tie the game or win it…. all 4 of those players deserve just as much bashing as the skip in this one…
Guys. By bunting there with zero outs, you but two men in scoring position. You can tie the game on a fly out, AND you stay out of the DP.
The bunt was the correct call, but Swisher wasn’t the guy. He has already proved multiple times this year that he is incapable.
Too bad Gardner can’t run, you could have pinch run him and had Harriston bunt in place of Swish.
NOBODY WAS OUT! THE GUY COULDN’T BUY AN OUT! There was no reason to give him one. NONE! It was not the right call. It was a dreadful call and I just hope it doesn’t cost the Yankees HFA.
It’s one loss, let’s not jump to conclusions.
Bunts don’t exist in a vacuum!
If Girardi couldn’t see the fallacy in asking a non-bunt pro to bunt in order to bring up our #9 hitter…well, I think he needs to eat some sweets and bring his blood sugar level back up.
PUT two men in scoring position.
Then you have two shots to win the game on a single.
I still think it is text book baseball, and you have to put the bunt sign on and the player HAS to execute.
I’ll say it again.
TWO SHOTS TO WIN on a single
TIE on a sac fly
NO DP possibility
You HAVE TO BUNT THERE.
No bunt and you have THREE chances to tie the game on a single and (possibly) STILL have THREE chances to win the game! It doesn’t make sense to bunt.
You dont give away outs.
Correct. That’s what I’m saying (over and over and over).
Never? Baseball managers for the past 120+ years would beg to differ..
Yes, but that doesn’t make it correct. If you think about it, it’s totally illogical to give up outs.
ughh “textbook baseball” how about going along with the game thats going on?? the guy couldnt buy an out and you make a guy with 7 CAREER bunts bunt when he is a very good hitter and can end the game or at least tie it himself??
it may be textbook baseball but its STUPID.
It’s playing the percentages. You guys ever bet?
Swisher could have hit a screaming liner and gotten someone else picked off a base or hit into a 4-6-3 just as easily.
You have to go with the bunt and put two men in scoring position with less than two outs.
Then you can tie the game on a SAC FLY.
This is not rocket science.
I understand the frustration but it was the correct call. Just be glad this isn’t the swing game in the Divisonal series.
i understand that, put sometimes you have to throw those numbers out the window. swisher can not bunt, he is also a slow runner, he could have also bunted in a dp. it was a silly by joe to make him bunt.
The only guy I’ve ever seen win by “playing the percentages” is Montgomery Burns, and that was just TOTAL fucking luck!
You said, “Swisher could have hit a screaming liner and gotten someone else picked off a base or hit into a 4-6-3 just as easily.”
This is essentially what Melky did right after Swisher gave up the out and it ENDED THE GAME. If Swisher does it, you still have an out to play with, which furthers the idea that you don’t give up outs.
You also said that you “have to bunt” to put the winning runs in scoring position with less than 2 outs, but the tying run is in scoring position already, with NOBODY out. You have three chances to tie the game (and more) as opposed to two. Even if Melky is up there with a runner at third and 1 out, he’s just as likely to pop out or strikeout as Swisher is to do something bad in your scenario.
Right, then you have either a man on third with TWO OUTS and you need a hit to TIE.
Or, you have two outs and a man on first, and need a long extra basehit to tie.
Much better to have two men in scoring position with one out.
You guys ever play chess. Sometimes you gotta give up a pawn to put yourself in a winning position.
If you still don’t get it, then go call Joe Morgan, he will agree with you.
The second Swisher popped up that bunt, I was chilled to my very bones. It was as if the dead breath of my ancestors was whipping around me in a moan of “They’re going to lose, they’re going to lose…!”
I mean, seriously? Let Swish swing or stand there.
Ugh, so painful. Homers don’t kill rallies. Bunts kill rallies. Anyone got a tissue?
I hate to put a damper on the Grardi ripping, but two points:
1) Statistically, that is the right time to bunt. For everyone who hates a bunt in the 3rd inning because the odds of a big inning are hurt, note that this is where the probabilities tell you to bunt.
2) Swisher is actually a good bunter, with successful bunts on the year.
Now, I understand Francisco struggling is a mitigating factor, but it wasnt a crazy decision.
7 successful bunts, excuse me.
You would bunt Swisher with Melky being the hitter following him???? Sorry I dont take the bat out of Swisher’s hands in that situation.
So you would bunt and give up an out when the pitcher cant get one himself?
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Does the “statistically right time to bunt” consider that six consecutive batters had reach base? I think the context is actually important. You aren’t making ANY outs, why give one up?
Exactly! Managing isn’t so much a science as a liberal art.
Actually to be honest the only statistically correct time to bunt is in a tie game with a runner on 2nd (or 1st and 2nd) and 0 outs. Bunting when you are still losing is never a good time to bunt.
Why bunt with a man on second and zero outs. A grounder to the right side does the same thing and you have a chance to hit an RBI.
It makes sense here only to stay out of the D, and put a man on third with a chance to score on a sac fly.
Your example doesn’t work.
But on the groundball to the right side, there’s still a chance that an out isn’t made, be it via error or by the ball skating through the infield. With a sac bunt, the chance for an out to be made is almost 100%. This isn’t even factoring in that a) the pitcher had given up 4 runs (3 of his one, 1 inherited), b)the batter is adept at working the count and with a pitcher who was struggling with his command, Swisher could’ve worked a walk, putting the tying run on third with 0 outs c)the fact that the Yankees were bunting to get to a player who, in his last 30 games, has been slumping like crazy and could definitely not be counted on to deliver d) the fact that Nick Swisher hits for power. Bunting during a four run rally is just stupid.
I wonder how much the fact that Swisher went 0-4 tonight before then had a role in the decision.
Also, he came into the AB 0-5 with 3 k’s vs Francisco.
Still a bad move. Francisco couldn’t buy an out, so why give him one?
I’m not arguing that it was a good or bad move right here. Just adding onto what Joe may have considered when making a decision.
I know what you’re saying, but being 0-5 doesn’t make you a good bunter.
He could be 0-4 w/four strikeouts and taht would still be an awful call.
It could work and it would still be an awful call.
Oh, I’m with you on that. I just mentioned that because they seem quite reliant on small samples of matchup data.
Francisco’s struggles are a huge mitigating factor there though. He had not recorded even one out after facing 6 batters. He was totally rattled and Girardi giftwrapped a free out for him. I don’t see how bunting, to get to your number 9 hitter no less, makes any sense in that particular situation.
from Pete Abe, swish has 7 career bunts. 7 goddamn bunts!! GAH im so mad.
No More Bunts!
Girardi is going to cost us a post season game with this over managing NL type crap.
You guys listening to the post-game question? “Who should be the American League MVP?” Answers ranged from Jeter, to Tex, to MELKY?! They didn’t even mention Mauer.
Please tell me you dreamed that in a drug-fueled nightmare and the question really was “Who is the Yankee MVP in the ninth inning this year?”
Yea, that actually made me start cracking up when I heard that. I thought Russ was going to agree with him for a second though lol.
I still can not believe someone paid to play baseball/manage a pro team thought it was a good idea to bunt there.
Swisher was far, far more likely to reach base than he was to get a bunt down. The tying run is in scoring position with NO OUTS, what more do you want?
And your point doesn’t even consider the series of events leading UP to that decision. It’s not just “tying run in scoring position with no outs,” it’s “six consecutive batters have reached and 4 runs are in.” Why would you choose THAT moment to give away an out?!
Good thing the stupid bunt takes away from Joba’s terrible job and Gaudin putting the game out of reach.
Can’t wait to hear how Joba “threw really well”
i dont blame girardi for this like some of you loons though
not his fault swisha bunted at a high fastball
why is it crazy to be mad at girardi? the guy couldnt buy an out, so you make someone with 7 career bunts try to bunt? Swisher would have been better off trying to get a sac fly to move the runner ovver or taking a walk.
or maybe he would have hit into a dp, but you take your chances bc of the hitter thats up
I would agree that it’s easy to point fingers, but to say those that blame Girardi are “loons” is unfair. Swisher’s bunting at a high fastball does not make Girardi’s decision any less baffling. In fact, it highlights the stupidity of the call by reinforcing that Swisher is not a bunter. I know the players play the game, but when you are forced to do something (that goes against your skill set, no less) the manager becomes complicit!
yeah but cmon, swisher is a good bunter, and like moshe said, has 7 bunts this year, so its not like he’s never done it before. Had the yanks won, you guys wouldn’t have even cared. It was a good idea, just failed. Oh well, you move on
the DP was bull shit anyways, jerry was safe
no, 7 bunts in his CAREER.
aah i thought it was this season
still, i think its a good call
You do move on, yes. But I don’t think the argument is won by calling Swisher a “good bunter.” That is very debatable. And, if the Yanks had won, I would have waited until tomorrow to rail against the bunt. I’ve hated bunting ever since a bunt killed my dad.
when the game was 10-5 the loss wasnt really bothering me much, but now im so angry, im glad that we have a team that never gives up, but goddammit we were so close!!
Joe Girardi is going to over manage this team into the ground. He bunts way too often and usually in the 3rd inning. The Yankees don’t manufacture runs, they wear down pitchers and mash the hell out of the ball and Girardi is giving away outs like it’s his job.
Tonight, he bunts OBP man Nick Swisher against a guy who had allowed 6 baserunners and recorded no outs. He gave away an out for no good reason and may have cost the Yankees HFA in the ALCS.
How many bunts have we had over the course of the last 125 games? I’d look it up if I knew where to. I’d bet it’s not a material amount. Also, not all of those bunts were called from the dugout.
exactly this isnt the marlins, its the motherfucken ny yankkes.
I’m as frustrated as any passionate Yankee fan, but if Girardi hasn’t managed to over-manage the team into the ground yet and he isn’t showing a greater propensity to over-manage recently (which I haven’t seen evidence of) then…no. He’s still doing the job of keeping this team rolling.
But there is absolutely no reason or excuse for tonight’s bunt call.
Anybody watching Rockies vs Dodgers, Jim Tracy is worse than Girardi.
Thats hard to do
Listen guys, Girardi screwed up royally, but I’m very happy that they never gave up and they worked hard for those 4 runs. Bad luck happens, but games like this show that the Yankees are a force.
Swish is now 0-6 with 3 K’s vs Frank Frank.
not the wrong call, just the wrong guy…Molina should have pinch hit if you want the bunt down, he was going in the game already for Posada. Personally, Swisher could have stood up there with the bat on his shoulder and walked. Melky swung at ball three with Jeter on deck…definitely let them off the hook.
Melky laced that ball.
Melky hit the ball well, no doubt about it, but the pitch was chest high and Jeter is on deck. Francisco was not throwing strikes and and Melky’s swing zone should have been very small, just like Matsui, Posada, and Cano. I normally wouldnt care, but he had as close to an automatic hit on deck as you can get right now.
Cant see the postgame but apparently it was Girardi’s call from what Ive read.
that call was typical from a manager who loves to play textbook baseball. but it was stupid stupid stupid. he wants to bunt? then why let swisher bat when he cant fucken bunt? if your gona leave him in then let him hit you idiot!!
I have no beef with Gaudin. He isn’t a good pitcher nor is expected to be. He came in and saved the BP
he should be applauded for at least doing that
Can’t wait to see the excuses our favorite RAB writers (aka the Joba Hype Machine, aka Brian Cashman’s Talking Parrots) create for Joba’s performance tonight. Will it be something like “He was too strong tonight due to too much rest”. Or maybe “This is what happens when you don’t keep him on a regular schedule”. Possibly “A future Roger Clemens type ace will have these ups and downs”.
Regardless of what they come up with, it will be nothing less than entertaining.
I think we’re going to go with young and inexperienced tonight, or maybe the too much rest thing. Just giving you a heads up. You can go to sleep now.
Just a guess here but I’d guess they say he didn’t get the job done. Didn’t pitch well.
What do you want to hear, DFA him?
Clearly, Joe, Ben and Mike need to demand blood for what Joba did tonight.
An ounce of flesh for every 2-out run!
Hey, remember when you said Matsui should be DFA’d? That was funny.
I know that Sully when his jet stalled due to the geese strike was given the option of landing the plane in the Hudson or on GI Joe Girardi’s head. The latter may have been a smoother choice…
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