Shelley lands in Cleveland

Open Thread: RAB Fantasy Football League Recap
Left field closing arguments: Johnny Damon

I’m sure it’s already under discussion in the open thread, but in case you’re not into that kind of thing: Shelley Duncan has signed with the Indians. Chad Jennings don’t offer any further details on the deal, but I presume it’s a minor league one.

Also, just to have it up here, the Red Sox signed Adrian Beltre today to a one-year, $9 million contract with a one-year, $5 million player option for 2011 with a $1 million buyout. I guess he really wanted to play in Boston (or really didn’t want to play for his other suitors).

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Open Thread: RAB Fantasy Football League Recap
Left field closing arguments: Johnny Damon
  • AndrewYF

    Or his market was never that big.

    This gives me hope that Damon may just come back on a one-year deal. He has no market.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      This gives me hope that Damon may just come back on a one-year deal.

      I don’t think much of any kind of conclusion or inference of any usefulness regarding the market for Johnny Damon can be drawn from the market for Shelley Duncan.

      • Salty Buggah

        I think he was talking about Beltre’s market

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          Ah, okay. My bad. Still, though:

          I don’t think much of any kind of conclusion or inference of any usefulness regarding the market for Johnny Damon can be drawn from the market for Shelley Duncan Adrian Beltre.

          They’re all quite different players and different cases.

          • Salty Buggah

            Yea agreed. I was going to add that in but didn’t because my computer keeps lagging everytime I type something

          • AndrewYF

            I was going for the whole Boras client with no market angle.

  • Tom Zig

    Sox really goin for that run prevention approach. I wonder how that’ll work out.

    • whozat

      It’s not like this is Ramiro Pena. Beltre’s a solid hitter who’ll probably do well in their ballpark.

      • Master of all Trades.

        I agree 100%
        I love how some fans are making Beltre out to be another Alex Cora. The guy can swing the bat and will see his numbers increase because of that handball court in Fenway.

        • Januz

          No one says Beltre is Alex Cora (Or Veritek for that matter), but it is not like he is hitting a lineup with Teixeira, Jeter and A-Rod either, so if I was a Boston fan, I would not be happy.

          • Tom Zig

            This is what i meant.

          • Salty Buggah

            I would be because this is an upgrade from Lowell, easily. Yes, they had to spend more but John Henry is not poor by any means.

          • JobaTheHeat62

            i think all of boston is very very happy..he may not have jeter arod or teix, but as much as i despise it, they have a lineup that can hang with ours…scutaro is there worst bat, and its not like hes the worst SS in baseball or anything…heres one thing for sure. yankees and boston > god > the other 28 teams..we are both stacked beyond belief, and i think johnny damon takes us over the top. so please resign him!!

  • Doug

    think this puts the sox over the luxury tax threshold. not sure they can claim poverty anymore

    • Whitey14

      They’ve never claimed poverty, they’ve correctly claimed that neither they, nor anyone else, can keep up with the Yankees in terms of spending.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        They’ve never claimed poverty

        Yeah, we don’t claim poverty. We just claim that we’re in the 16th biggest media market when we’re actually in like the 7th biggest media market.

        Sincerely,
        John “Hey, Bud Selig, do me a favor and have someone buy these shitty Marlins from me so I can go buy a real team” Henry

  • Accent Shallow

    I think this is a great deal for the Sox, and Fenway should suit Beltre fine. Not 2004 fine, but I expect him to play very well. Now, what do they do with Lowell?

    • Johan Iz My Brohan

      Trade Lowell for Agonz straight up!

      • JGS

        only if they throw in Blanks

  • steve (different one)

    Phillies have to be kicking themselves.

    • Accent Shallow

      I still can’t believe they gave Polanco three years. Very odd. That’s two years in a row that it seems they jumped on the wrong player in FA immediately, although Ibanez was fine last year.

      I’m so surprised they didn’t jump on Figgins or Beltre, both of whom are superior players to Polanco.

      • steve (different one)

        Figgins was significantly more expensive, so i get that. but yeah, it does look like they blew it on Beltre.

        • Accent Shallow

          Figgins is a lot more expensive, but Polanco is an aging 2B whose hitting has been trending downwards. I realize that Beltre is a much better version of Pedro Feliz, but he has to be far superior to Polanco.

          (Unless they’re trying to really cut down on K-rate, or they’re at budget, signing Polanco doesn’t seem like a bright move)

  • Mike Bk

    10 mil for 1 year is just fine if you’re beltre. he could easily hit 25 in fenway with his pull hitting or at least hit a lot of doubles and cash in next year

    • whozat

      Yeah, but he’s 30, an excellent defender, and a pretty good hitter with very good power.

      It’d be surprising to hear he couldn’t get more guaranteed money over more years, so I’d assume that he left some on the table…

    • Lanny

      25?? The monster isnt that friendly.

      • JobaTheHeat62

        dude if beltre gets over 500 ABs he will easily hit 25 HRs

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          Agreed. He’s never played in a home park that’s hitter friendly, and yet his 162-game averages are 663 plate appearances and 24 homers per year.

          Moving to Fenway should get him right back around 25ish.

  • http://www.i-yankees.com iYankees

    I’ll enjoy watching Beltre swing at anything whenever there are men on base. Saw him do that for 2 years in Seattle. Should be a lot more fun seeing him do that in Boston.

  • Januz

    Beltre is a great fielder no doubt about it. But as a YANKEE fan, I am very happy with Boston’s new direction, and seeing guys like Bay and Lowell leaving town warms my heart. One thing that has been a historical fact about Boston, is they had at least one hitter who could scare you to death: Foxx, Cronin, Williams, Yaz, Rice, Lynn, Manny, Ortiz in his prime etc. There is not one guy in that lineup who terrifies me (Perhaps Victor Martinez is the best of that bunch). When you see Beltre, Cameron, Drew, Veritek, Ellsbury and Hermida out there, I see an NL Lineup, that will make “Ye Olde Team” drop to THIRD in the AL East.

    • whozat

      Seeing Lowell leave town sucks. He’s nothing but a drain on them at this point. He can’t defend anymore, he can’t hit anymore, and he’s hurt.

    • Marc

      The Sox were a top 3 AL offense in 2009 and will easily be in the top 3 again in 2010. Yeah Bay is gone and they’re not the offense they were in the mid-90’s. But that’s still a damn fine offense that Boston will be putting out their.

    • Lanny

      Lowell is a great clutch hitter. They’ll really miss his bat and Bays bat there especially if Ortiz cant hit.

      • Salty Buggah

        If healthy, yes. But Lowell wasn’t healthy so he was no bet to hit well and his defense had gotten to a point that he is a 1B or DH at this point.

        Boston did not get worse.

  • Salty Buggah

    Wow, good deal for Boston. Plays great D and will probably hit better with the handball court in left. 9 mil isn’t bad either.

    • Januz

      I still think that losing Bay will kill this team. I don’t like Beltre against fastball pitchers (The Yankees have lots of them). This is the “Boy Genius” Epstein reinventing the wheel (Like he did when he brought in Smoltz and Penny). They will finish behind the Yankees & Rays.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        FACT: You don’t play 9 designated hitters. Defense counts too.

        The Sox have taken a step back offensively and a big step forward defensively. It may well work out for the best, all things considered.

        • JMK aka The Overshare’s Excessive Back Hair Complex

          The 2005 Yankees were as close as we may ever see to 9 DHs.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

            Bud Selig: You can’t play with 9 designated hitters.
            George Stienbrenner: Watch me, poindexter.

        • TheZack

          Or, more than likely, it won’t. Defense is great, but defense wasn’t Beckett’s issue last season, nor was it Dice-K’s. It also wasn’t what caused them to suck at the plate on the road. Sure, they’ll prevent more runs, but if they can’t score (and saying they’ll still be the 3rd best offense in the league is kind of silly at this point), they won’t win.

    • Lanny

      He had a 300 OBP. He cant get on base. He has lost his power. Even with his great defense you didnty exactly see Seattle cry over losing him.

      So now they’ll play two 3b almost 20+ to have a solid 300 OBP and drive in 65 runs.

      For a team starved for big power they let Bay go over 6 mill.

      • Salty Buggah

        Yes he can’t get on base much but his SLG will go up with the Monster.

      • Crazy Eyes Killa

        Its a lot more than 6 mil, the option is an easy vest for the fifth year

        • Salty Buggah

          Exactly. On top of his money demands and defensive issues, Bay also has injury concern with his knees and shoulders.

  • JMK aka The Overshare’s Excessive Back Hair Complex
    • Evilest Empire

      I approve.

    • http://kierstenschmidt.com Kiersten

      That’s fantastic.

      Cleveland is the worst “city” I have ever been to.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        You’ve never been anywhere in New Jersey, have you?

  • Salty Buggah

    Wait, what’s this rumor about Castillo for Lowell trade? That makes no sense at all for either the Sox or Mets. Probably a fake rumor or just speculation

    • Accent Shallow

      Well, for the Mets it makes sense, assuming they can land Orlando Hudson or Felipe Lopez for a reasonable price — Lowell can spell David Wright, and gives them a proven RH hitter to pair with Daniel Murphy at first.

      For the Sox, I can’t imagine why they’d do it, unless they already have someone lined up to dump Castillo on — they can’t use him as a UIF, since he can’t play 3B or SS.

      • Salty Buggah

        Ah, right. The Mets can use him at 1B

    • Lanny

      Why wouldnt the Mets do this? Lowell is better than Murphy and they’d rather have Hudson play 2b.

  • ultimate913

    This pisses me off. Beltre(a Boras client) will happily take a 1 year 9 mil deal with an option for 5 mil but Damon(also a Boras client) wouldn’t take 2 years at 10 mil per. Beltre would take less to be on a contender but Damon has been spoiled by being paid a decent amount AND being on a contender so he wants more. I know there were MANY differences between Beltre’s and Damon’s 2009 season but still.

    He’ll crack though. With Holliday about to be signed, there goes another potential Damon buyer. Offer 1 year/5 mil. Keep it on the table from now until opening day. Until then, Gardner is the LF.

    • steve (different one)

      imagine that, the guy with the 126 OPS+ last year wants more than the guy with the 82 OPS+.

      yes, i know that’s simplistic, but Beltre IS coming off a pretty crappy year.

      he prefers to take a 1 year deal for $10M and go out next year looking for big bucks than to take the 2 year deal for something like $16M. makes sense for him. and the player option insures against another terrible year, since he can just take the $4M and try again.

      • Whitey14

        exactly, better to hit Free Agency again at 31….

    • Salty Buggah

      Beltre would take less to be on a contender

      Or he would take only 10 mil for a year so he can pad his stats with the Monster and get a bigger payday in 2011.

  • Lanny

    Good job by the Sox. Now they have will be paying Lugo and Lowell not to play for them. They signed a 34 yr old SS and a 3b who cant hit or get on base. Not to mention a 36 yr old CF who is in decline and now will play LF in a ballpark where you dont need defense from LF. You need power. This all presumes that Ortiz isnt finished and will return to 2007 levels. Head scratching.

    • Januz

      I agree 100% with Lenny on this one. Throw in the Yankees adding Granderson, Johnson & Vasquez (NONE of which makes Beltre money), means the gap between the Yanks and Sox gets much wider.

      • Salty Buggah

        Well, Vazquez makes 11 mil in 2010. The Yankees added the best players but also lost the best. The Sox lost Bay but added Cameron who is at least as good (though I know you and Lanny don’t care much about defense but I do), added Lackey, and Beltre, an upgrade over Lowell.

        I would say both had equally great offseasons, maybe a tiny advantage to Boston. Yankees got better but so did the Sox and they did it without losing any prospects.

        • Evilest Empire

          Sox are losing high round draft picks though, while the Yankees are primed to gain a couple when Vazquez hits FA.

          Yankees didn’t need as much of an upgrade to begin with, so even if Boston did more to improve their ball club, they remain the lesser team.

          • Tom Zig

            Sox gained a couple picks though.

            • Salty Buggah

              Exactly

            • Andy in Sunny Daytona

              The player Boston takes with Atlanta’s pick in the 2010 draft is already rated the 4th best pitching prospect in all of baseball.

              /Baseball America’d

              • Zack

                ICWUDT

    • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

      I’d hardly say Cameron is in decline. His numbers nwo are just about the same as they were a few years ago; plus, he’s a pull guy who’s now going to be in a very pull friendly park. They are, however, wasting him in LF.

      • Tom Zig

        Theo wouldn’t do that…would he?

      • Accent Shallow

        Cameron isn’t young, though, and he’s a slightly slip in bat speed from being a well-below average hitter.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          A slight slip in bat speed would be bad, yes.

          He’s shown no signs of that slip, though. None. Mike Cameron is a metronome.

          Yes, it can come at any time. But there’s no actual evidential reason to think it will happen in 2010 or 2011.

          • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

            Except that he’ll be 37 years old this season and 38 in 2011, his contact % has dropped every year since 2006 and his contact % when swinging at pitches in the strike-zone has dropped every year since 2006.

            I would think any of those three pieces of evidential reason could be seen as reason to think he might be losing bat speed. The evidence I provided is certainly not conclusive, but just saying the guy is like a metronome doesn’t make him superhuman. It’s more reasonable to think he’s losing, and will continue to lose, bat speed, than it is to think he hasn’t and won’t in 2010 or 2011.

            • TheZack

              Indeed.

  • Richard Deegan

    Shelley to Indians !!!! Best of luck, Shelley. Haven’t seen an ex-Yankee farmhand HR-champion first baseman rock the majors in some 47 years.
    Simply Marvelous!!!!!!

  • JobaTheHeat62

    something needs to be said about the racial direction the team is heading..it got a tad bit darker on the offensive side…good job fellas!

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WppcSY4SsSk barry

      you’re a fucking idiot.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        This will end badly.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WppcSY4SsSk barry

          Perhaps…

        • JMK aka The Overshare’s Excessive Back Hair Complex

          The only thing worth mentioning about the racial aspects is that Crazy Whores, the RAB/Native American-themed strip club, is the great race equalizer.

          It even trumps the Sox having Chief Running Misjudge Flyball Tacobell Pillsbury.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

            If I’m gonna get my balls blown off for a word, my word is “poontang”.

            /AnimalMother’d

    • Tom Zig

      We don’t discriminate like our neighbors in New England.

      • baseball10

        I guess you’ve never seen the NYPD’s recent history.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WppcSY4SsSk barry

          whens the last time a white guy got a job with the city?

  • NCpinstripes

    Beltre’s OBP is horrible, and he’s a trip to the DL waiting to happen. What kind of moron plays 3B, and doesn’t wear a cup? That right there tells me he can’t be that bright.

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WppcSY4SsSk barry

      I never wore a cup and I played ball for probably 12 years without getting any ball to ball contact in my genital region.

  • Evilest Empire

    Who had the better contract year? Beltre in 2004 or Posada in 2007?

    Po got more money I think, but man. Beltre’s 2004 is just epic relative to his career #s.

    • http://cache.boston.com/multimedia/sports/bigshots/110509/01.jpg Drew

      Beltre went from decent to Godly.

      Po went from really good to really really good.

      Since Po only jumped 100 ops points from his career average and Beltre jumped 280, I’ll go with the Nuts Mcgee.

      • http://cache.boston.com/multimedia/sports/bigshots/110509/01.jpg Drew

        *230 not 280

      • JMK aka The Overshare’s Excessive Back Hair Complex

        Yeah. I don’t want to shout of steroids (and frankly, I don’t give a shit if he did take them), but that year Beltre had is like Brady Anderson suddenly shitting 800 foot home runs in 1996. Unreal outlier compared to the rest of his career. Just sayin’.

        Posada’s year was great by any standard, well above his career norms, but he didn’t put up Pi as a line like Beltre did.

        • Evilest Empire

          I’m with you 100% on Beltre and steroids. It wouldn’t surprise me at all. That’s not a knock on the guy, I’d have done the same exact thing (if he even did it), no question. Especially in loosey goosey 2004.

  • Doug

    not sure if this was talked about, but supposedly beltre turned down 3- and 4-year deals to sign with the sox

    • Evilest Empire
      • Crazy Eyes Killa

        there are no other teams named

        • NCpinstripes

          Yep, because this is the Baaaaastan media trying to trump up their signing. “He could’ve had a 10 year deal from Colorado, but he wanted to be a Sawk!” So predictable.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        Beltre turned down more money from at least two teams – he had a four-year offer early in free agency and then a three-year deal for roughly the same annual value as the deal the Red Sox offered – but he chose Boston with an eye on having a big year for a contender and then hitting the market again next year.

        Pardon me if I doubt the veracity of the Boston Herald claiming that Beltre turned down a 3/21 (or a 3/27, depending on which AAV you choose to use) with some unnamed team to sign a 1/9 with a 1/5 option with the Sox.

        I considered the source, and I find it lacking. I don’t trust the long tentacles of the Boston media propaganda machinery, which alternates between fellating Theo as the shrewdest man alive and performing hatchet jobs on departing players to make their loss seem justified and inconsequential.

        I call bullshit.

        • Salty Buggah

          Yea Beltre would be an idiot to take only a 1 year to be a saint or even for a chance in to cash in a bigger payday later because he isn’t really going to get more than 3/21 unless he goes all crazy like in 2004

        • Evilest Empire

          Nice job depicting the Boston media as if it were a giant, amorphous monster – kind of like what happens at the end of Akira.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

            Nice job depicting the Boston media as if it were a giant, amorphous monster…

            http://tinyurl.com/giantamorphousbostonmonster (SFW, I couldn’t resist)

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