Jan
04

Shelley lands in Cleveland

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I’m sure it’s already under discussion in the open thread, but in case you’re not into that kind of thing: Shelley Duncan has signed with the Indians. Chad Jennings don’t offer any further details on the deal, but I presume it’s a minor league one.

Also, just to have it up here, the Red Sox signed Adrian Beltre today to a one-year, $9 million contract with a one-year, $5 million player option for 2011 with a $1 million buyout. I guess he really wanted to play in Boston (or really didn’t want to play for his other suitors).

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  1. AndrewYF says:

    Or his market was never that big.

    This gives me hope that Damon may just come back on a one-year deal. He has no market.

  2. Tom Zig says:

    Sox really goin for that run prevention approach. I wonder how that’ll work out.

    • whozat says:

      It’s not like this is Ramiro Pena. Beltre’s a solid hitter who’ll probably do well in their ballpark.

      • Master of all Trades. says:

        I agree 100%
        I love how some fans are making Beltre out to be another Alex Cora. The guy can swing the bat and will see his numbers increase because of that handball court in Fenway.

        • Januz says:

          No one says Beltre is Alex Cora (Or Veritek for that matter), but it is not like he is hitting a lineup with Teixeira, Jeter and A-Rod either, so if I was a Boston fan, I would not be happy.

          • Tom Zig says:

            This is what i meant.

          • Salty Buggah says:

            I would be because this is an upgrade from Lowell, easily. Yes, they had to spend more but John Henry is not poor by any means.

          • JobaTheHeat62 says:

            i think all of boston is very very happy..he may not have jeter arod or teix, but as much as i despise it, they have a lineup that can hang with ours…scutaro is there worst bat, and its not like hes the worst SS in baseball or anything…heres one thing for sure. yankees and boston > god > the other 28 teams..we are both stacked beyond belief, and i think johnny damon takes us over the top. so please resign him!!

  3. Doug says:

    think this puts the sox over the luxury tax threshold. not sure they can claim poverty anymore

    • Whitey14 says:

      They’ve never claimed poverty, they’ve correctly claimed that neither they, nor anyone else, can keep up with the Yankees in terms of spending.

      • They’ve never claimed poverty

        Yeah, we don’t claim poverty. We just claim that we’re in the 16th biggest media market when we’re actually in like the 7th biggest media market.

        Sincerely,
        John “Hey, Bud Selig, do me a favor and have someone buy these shitty Marlins from me so I can go buy a real team” Henry

  4. Accent Shallow says:

    I think this is a great deal for the Sox, and Fenway should suit Beltre fine. Not 2004 fine, but I expect him to play very well. Now, what do they do with Lowell?

  5. steve (different one) says:

    Phillies have to be kicking themselves.

    • Accent Shallow says:

      I still can’t believe they gave Polanco three years. Very odd. That’s two years in a row that it seems they jumped on the wrong player in FA immediately, although Ibanez was fine last year.

      I’m so surprised they didn’t jump on Figgins or Beltre, both of whom are superior players to Polanco.

      • steve (different one) says:

        Figgins was significantly more expensive, so i get that. but yeah, it does look like they blew it on Beltre.

        • Accent Shallow says:

          Figgins is a lot more expensive, but Polanco is an aging 2B whose hitting has been trending downwards. I realize that Beltre is a much better version of Pedro Feliz, but he has to be far superior to Polanco.

          (Unless they’re trying to really cut down on K-rate, or they’re at budget, signing Polanco doesn’t seem like a bright move)

  6. Mike Bk says:

    10 mil for 1 year is just fine if you’re beltre. he could easily hit 25 in fenway with his pull hitting or at least hit a lot of doubles and cash in next year

  7. iYankees says:

    I’ll enjoy watching Beltre swing at anything whenever there are men on base. Saw him do that for 2 years in Seattle. Should be a lot more fun seeing him do that in Boston.

  8. Januz says:

    Beltre is a great fielder no doubt about it. But as a YANKEE fan, I am very happy with Boston’s new direction, and seeing guys like Bay and Lowell leaving town warms my heart. One thing that has been a historical fact about Boston, is they had at least one hitter who could scare you to death: Foxx, Cronin, Williams, Yaz, Rice, Lynn, Manny, Ortiz in his prime etc. There is not one guy in that lineup who terrifies me (Perhaps Victor Martinez is the best of that bunch). When you see Beltre, Cameron, Drew, Veritek, Ellsbury and Hermida out there, I see an NL Lineup, that will make “Ye Olde Team” drop to THIRD in the AL East.

    • whozat says:

      Seeing Lowell leave town sucks. He’s nothing but a drain on them at this point. He can’t defend anymore, he can’t hit anymore, and he’s hurt.

    • Marc says:

      The Sox were a top 3 AL offense in 2009 and will easily be in the top 3 again in 2010. Yeah Bay is gone and they’re not the offense they were in the mid-90′s. But that’s still a damn fine offense that Boston will be putting out their.

    • Lanny says:

      Lowell is a great clutch hitter. They’ll really miss his bat and Bays bat there especially if Ortiz cant hit.

      • Salty Buggah says:

        If healthy, yes. But Lowell wasn’t healthy so he was no bet to hit well and his defense had gotten to a point that he is a 1B or DH at this point.

        Boston did not get worse.

  9. Salty Buggah says:

    Wow, good deal for Boston. Plays great D and will probably hit better with the handball court in left. 9 mil isn’t bad either.

    • Januz says:

      I still think that losing Bay will kill this team. I don’t like Beltre against fastball pitchers (The Yankees have lots of them). This is the “Boy Genius” Epstein reinventing the wheel (Like he did when he brought in Smoltz and Penny). They will finish behind the Yankees & Rays.

    • Lanny says:

      He had a 300 OBP. He cant get on base. He has lost his power. Even with his great defense you didnty exactly see Seattle cry over losing him.

      So now they’ll play two 3b almost 20+ to have a solid 300 OBP and drive in 65 runs.

      For a team starved for big power they let Bay go over 6 mill.

  10. Salty Buggah says:

    Wait, what’s this rumor about Castillo for Lowell trade? That makes no sense at all for either the Sox or Mets. Probably a fake rumor or just speculation

    • Accent Shallow says:

      Well, for the Mets it makes sense, assuming they can land Orlando Hudson or Felipe Lopez for a reasonable price — Lowell can spell David Wright, and gives them a proven RH hitter to pair with Daniel Murphy at first.

      For the Sox, I can’t imagine why they’d do it, unless they already have someone lined up to dump Castillo on — they can’t use him as a UIF, since he can’t play 3B or SS.

    • Lanny says:

      Why wouldnt the Mets do this? Lowell is better than Murphy and they’d rather have Hudson play 2b.

  11. ultimate913 says:

    This pisses me off. Beltre(a Boras client) will happily take a 1 year 9 mil deal with an option for 5 mil but Damon(also a Boras client) wouldn’t take 2 years at 10 mil per. Beltre would take less to be on a contender but Damon has been spoiled by being paid a decent amount AND being on a contender so he wants more. I know there were MANY differences between Beltre’s and Damon’s 2009 season but still.

    He’ll crack though. With Holliday about to be signed, there goes another potential Damon buyer. Offer 1 year/5 mil. Keep it on the table from now until opening day. Until then, Gardner is the LF.

    • steve (different one) says:

      imagine that, the guy with the 126 OPS+ last year wants more than the guy with the 82 OPS+.

      yes, i know that’s simplistic, but Beltre IS coming off a pretty crappy year.

      he prefers to take a 1 year deal for $10M and go out next year looking for big bucks than to take the 2 year deal for something like $16M. makes sense for him. and the player option insures against another terrible year, since he can just take the $4M and try again.

    • Salty Buggah says:

      Beltre would take less to be on a contender

      Or he would take only 10 mil for a year so he can pad his stats with the Monster and get a bigger payday in 2011.

  12. Lanny says:

    Good job by the Sox. Now they have will be paying Lugo and Lowell not to play for them. They signed a 34 yr old SS and a 3b who cant hit or get on base. Not to mention a 36 yr old CF who is in decline and now will play LF in a ballpark where you dont need defense from LF. You need power. This all presumes that Ortiz isnt finished and will return to 2007 levels. Head scratching.

    • Januz says:

      I agree 100% with Lenny on this one. Throw in the Yankees adding Granderson, Johnson & Vasquez (NONE of which makes Beltre money), means the gap between the Yanks and Sox gets much wider.

      • Salty Buggah says:

        Well, Vazquez makes 11 mil in 2010. The Yankees added the best players but also lost the best. The Sox lost Bay but added Cameron who is at least as good (though I know you and Lanny don’t care much about defense but I do), added Lackey, and Beltre, an upgrade over Lowell.

        I would say both had equally great offseasons, maybe a tiny advantage to Boston. Yankees got better but so did the Sox and they did it without losing any prospects.

    • I’d hardly say Cameron is in decline. His numbers nwo are just about the same as they were a few years ago; plus, he’s a pull guy who’s now going to be in a very pull friendly park. They are, however, wasting him in LF.

      • Tom Zig says:

        Theo wouldn’t do that…would he?

      • Accent Shallow says:

        Cameron isn’t young, though, and he’s a slightly slip in bat speed from being a well-below average hitter.

        • A slight slip in bat speed would be bad, yes.

          He’s shown no signs of that slip, though. None. Mike Cameron is a metronome.

          Yes, it can come at any time. But there’s no actual evidential reason to think it will happen in 2010 or 2011.

          • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi says:

            Except that he’ll be 37 years old this season and 38 in 2011, his contact % has dropped every year since 2006 and his contact % when swinging at pitches in the strike-zone has dropped every year since 2006.

            I would think any of those three pieces of evidential reason could be seen as reason to think he might be losing bat speed. The evidence I provided is certainly not conclusive, but just saying the guy is like a metronome doesn’t make him superhuman. It’s more reasonable to think he’s losing, and will continue to lose, bat speed, than it is to think he hasn’t and won’t in 2010 or 2011.

  13. Richard Deegan says:

    Shelley to Indians !!!! Best of luck, Shelley. Haven’t seen an ex-Yankee farmhand HR-champion first baseman rock the majors in some 47 years.
    Simply Marvelous!!!!!!

  14. JobaTheHeat62 says:

    something needs to be said about the racial direction the team is heading..it got a tad bit darker on the offensive side…good job fellas!

  15. NCpinstripes says:

    Beltre’s OBP is horrible, and he’s a trip to the DL waiting to happen. What kind of moron plays 3B, and doesn’t wear a cup? That right there tells me he can’t be that bright.

  16. Evilest Empire says:

    Who had the better contract year? Beltre in 2004 or Posada in 2007?

    Po got more money I think, but man. Beltre’s 2004 is just epic relative to his career #s.

    • Drew says:

      Beltre went from decent to Godly.

      Po went from really good to really really good.

      Since Po only jumped 100 ops points from his career average and Beltre jumped 280, I’ll go with the Nuts Mcgee.

      • JMK aka The Overshare's Excessive Back Hair Complex says:

        Yeah. I don’t want to shout of steroids (and frankly, I don’t give a shit if he did take them), but that year Beltre had is like Brady Anderson suddenly shitting 800 foot home runs in 1996. Unreal outlier compared to the rest of his career. Just sayin’.

        Posada’s year was great by any standard, well above his career norms, but he didn’t put up Pi as a line like Beltre did.

        • Evilest Empire says:

          I’m with you 100% on Beltre and steroids. It wouldn’t surprise me at all. That’s not a knock on the guy, I’d have done the same exact thing (if he even did it), no question. Especially in loosey goosey 2004.

  17. Doug says:

    not sure if this was talked about, but supposedly beltre turned down 3- and 4-year deals to sign with the sox

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