Jan
15

Yanks and Baldelli have ‘mutual interest’

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The other night we examined the case of Rocco Baldelli. It’s a high-risk, high-reward move, though the risk in this case is higher than in others. Yesterday, Pete Caldera reported that there “is some mutual interest” between Baldelli and the Yanks. As I mentioned in Wednesday’s Baldelli post, the idea is to get him on a low base salary contract with some incentives, keeping the budget somewhat flexible. It will also make it easier for the Yanks to release Baldelli if he’s not working out and they need a replacement.

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  • All Praise Be To Mo

    I’m all for this move, a low risk-high reward. Even if he can only come in and play a couple days per week. Him him play LF instead of Gardner against tough lefties and seve as a late inning defensive replacement for Swish.

  • Jammy Jammers

    Sterling:
    “Balls Deep for Baldelli!”

  • bkight13

    The 3 guys I wanted the Yanks to look at for LF were Conor Jackson, Rocco and Juan Rivera. I know Rivera and Jackson would cost the team some young pitching, but they would worth the cost. Rocco needs to be healthy, but he made it thru 2009 playing part-time and would be a great platoon with Gardner.

    • Bo

      Baldelli/Gardner and “Great platoon” is stretching it dont ya think?

      • Steve H

        Considering a “platoon” by definition means you have 2 guys not capable of being full time starters, it’s a damn fine platoon. What do you expect, a platoon of Braun and Crawford?

        /Waits 3 hours for reply

        • Steve H

          Man, I even came back to check.

  • jp

    i really like rocco. i know him and his family personally from playing high school baseball with him and they are great people. so being the yankee fan i am of course i want to see him give it a shot with us. other than that he still has good speed and hits lefties well and the cost should be very low for a good upside player.

    • JobaJr

      Woonsocket Villinovans?

      • pat

        Hendriken.

  • JobaJr

    Why not? Our bench has weakened from losing Hairston, Hinske, etc… Wouldn’t be a bad idea to bring in Baldelli.

    • Evan NYC

      Or we could just re-sign Hairston.

      • Steve H

        Preferably both. Strictly as a LF caddy, Rocco>>>>>Hairston considering cost and replacement cost.

        • jsbrendog officially approves signing Fernando Tatis

          tatis>>>>>>rocco because he is healthy and plays everywhere>>>>>>>>hairstons career 85 ops+

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

            That.

            Tatis is a better option than Rocco, IMO.

            • Steve H

              I’d prefer Tatis as well. I do like Rocco’s ability to play CF, but for this team it doesn’t add much to the table. If he’s playing CF, something as gone wrong.

              • jsbrendog officially approves signing Fernando Tatis

                it’s funny how my tatis push started as bo-baiting and then when i went to look at his stats became true approval

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

                Exactly.

                We have Granderson, Gardner, and Hoffmann who can already handle CF. Tatis is playable in LF as an occasional starter, but he can also play RF and all four infield positions. And, he doesn’t have a permanent medical condition that saps his strength and requires him to be Joba-Rules’d with planned days off.

                I like my bench players to be able to play off the bench whenever necessary.

                • jsbrendog officially approves signing Fernando Tatis

                  and his ops+ was the highest out of any of the caddies we have discussed so far who are free agents.

                • JMK aka The Overshare’s Garden Apartment Complex

                  Tatis is basically Hairston with a better bat and less D. Good option.

  • Bo

    I find it hard to believe they cant find a better RH bat for the bench. One who doesnt have an illness which has curtailed his promising career.

    • Steve H

      Suggestions, and at what cost?

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        /Waits 3 hours for reply

      • jsbrendog officially approves signing Fernando Tatis
        • Steve H

          I’m good with that.

          • jsbrendog officially approves signing Fernando Tatis

            see my comment below as to why he is better than reed johnson too

  • aj

    How is Baldelli “high reward”? What at best can you expect from him? He’s never healthy, hasn’t hit for power since 2006, and no speed since 2004. Low risk maybe, but not high reward.

    • Evan NYC

      Agreed. I wish the guy the best, but I just don’t see how he fits into the plans. I would rather make a push for Reed Johnson.

      • jsbrendog officially approves signing Fernando Tatis

        player a: only plays rf/lf/cf and in 09 ops+ of 89 in 165 abs

        player b: plays lf/3b and in an emergency rf, 2b, and ss and in 09 ops+ 105 in 340 abs

        which player do you want? both righties.

        go on, i’ll wait

        • Steve H

          Oh come on now, using this “ops+” stat, I think you’re just Bo-baiting at this point.

          /Saw Tatis go 0-4 once, with my own eyes

          • jsbrendog officially approves signing Fernando Tatis

            you’re right. i apologize.

            ::closes blinds on one window to his garden apartment and sulks in dark til mom has dinner ready::

            • JMK aka The Overshare’s Garden Apartment Complex

              For the record, I make my mom dinner. Just sayin’.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

                JMK: whupped.

                • JMK aka The Overshare’s Garden Apartment Complex

                  Is it weird to say that for a 54 y/o woman, my mother is fairly attractive? Arguably way more attractive than 90% of the ugly trash skanks I snack with.

                  I cook the lady dinner ‘cuz she pays my rent.

                  BONUS: I don’t have to clean the litter boxes.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

                  Arguably way more attractive than 90% of the ugly trash skanks I snack with.

                  Damning with faint praise.

                • king of fruitless hypotheticals

                  Is it weird to say that for a 54 y/o woman, my mother is fairly attractive? Arguably way more attractive than 90% of the ugly trash skanks I snack with.
                  I cook the lady dinner ‘cuz she pays my rent.
                  BONUS: I don’t have to clean the litter boxes.

                  I…I…what part of “overshare” didn’t you understand???

                • Steve H

                  I agree. She’s hot.

    • http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/photo/gallery/091102/GAL-09Nov02-2999/media/PHO-09Nov02-185373.jpg Drew

      Against lefties there is potential for a high reward, 830 OPS against them.

      • Steve H

        This, + great defense.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          How many games a year, though?

          • Steve H

            At a low base salary, who cares? If by June we’ve figured out that it’s just not working, kick his Sox loving ass to the curb and get someone else.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

              By June guys like Fernando Tatis will have already signed elsewhere, and then you have to trade for him.

              • Steve H

                Agreed that you’d have to trade for a Tatis-like guy, I just don’t think the cost will be much. Though I agree Tatis>>>>Rocco, but I don’t have a problem with them kicking the tires on Rocco.

                • Steve H

                  Probably shouldn’t have said kicking the tires in reference to Rocco, that’d put him on the 15 day DL.

                • jsbrendog officially approves signing Fernando Tatis

                  i dont have a problem with it either if they decide it isnt the right play and sign a guy you know will at least be able to play instead of having to trade a guy for him later in the year. there is a limited amount of eric fryers to be traded for bench depth so why waste one when you can have tatis now?

          • zs190

            We paid about $500K for Eric Hinske last year for 98 plate appearances in 39 games and everyone loved it. I would not be shocked if Rocco Baldelli plays about 50 games and put up similar numbers for $500K.

            • jsbrendog officially approves signing Fernando Tatis

              false. hinske had signed a 1 yr 1 mil contract with the buccos no? and they included money in the deal. we did not pay that much.

              • zs190

                it was 1 year 1.5 million according to Cot’s. We traded for him with about 800K left on it and they paid a little under half, from what I recall.

                • jsbrendog officially approves signing Fernando Tatis

                  fair enough, my memory deceived me….MESSAGE

    • zs190

      Even with all the injuries, he had a solid .180 ISO last year, how is that “hasn’t hit for power” since 2006? He’s not a great base stealer these days but he runs the base pretty well still. Speed is not just restricted to steals.

  • A.D.

    Eh, can’t say I’d be all that excited one way or another on this one.

  • Mater of all Trades

    Rocco? I say pass.
    There is no high reward when talking about Rocco.

    • Steve H

      How is there no high reward?

      • andrew

        Because he’s not that good, and definitely not as good as some of our other options.

        • Steve H

          Ehh, didn’t really answer the question. If you were to say the risk outweighs the potential reward, I’d agree. But to say their is no potential high reward with Baldelli is short sighted.

      • JMK aka The Overshare’s Garden Apartment Complex

        Calling it “high reward” is a misnomer in my opinion. Sure, there’s an outside chance he’s able to put up 2004 or 2006 numbers, and yes, his ISO is still pretty good, so he retains some degree of value. But saying “high reward” also has the designation that he’s able to do so in a fairly consistent period of time. That’s not the case here. You can’t rest the laurels of past accomplishments and automatically infer that they carry over to the present. I can’t sign Dave Parker, offer up 8-balls as compensation and call him “low-risk, high-reward”. Technically, it’s true because he’s put up numbers, but the probability compounded by other factors render it virtually impossible.

        I realize it’s an extreme example, but “high reward” must come with some reasonable chance that the player can perform in quantity and quality. Baldelli hasn’t shown he can. If he has hit or even played reasonably well for more than 90 games per year and put up good numbers, yeah, he may qualify as “high reward”. Playing 125 games in three years and hibernating with Icy Hot patches reduces him to “low risk-moderate reward”.

        • Steve H

          I’m sticking with high reward, though it is a longshot. He’s 28 years old, and they at least diagnosed his health problem, they hadn’t done that just a few years back. With a better understanding of what exactly he has, and better treatment, I think he still could become an above average, though part time player. Had he not yet been diagnosed, or if he was 33 years old, I would absolutely not look a few years back at what type of potential he has, his window would be closed. I’m not quite there yet with Rocco.

  • Mac

    I would be alright with it.

    Just the fact we will hear people in the Bronx yelling things such as:

    Hey Roccoooo!
    ehhh Rockkkyyy
    Eh yooooo, Ballldelliii

    Totally worth it.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      We could bring Rock Raines out of retirement.

      He’s probably in better shape than Baldelli is, all things considered.

      • Steve H

        I would have zero problem throwing away the 25th player on the roster to get Rock Raines in the headlines, and boost his HOF campaign.

        As I was writing this, I have solved the why is Tim Raines not in the HOF quandry, get this:

        The BBWAA does not realize that Rock Raines and Tim Raines are the same damn person and are not combining their statistics (if they are aware of that term, statistics).

        • Richard Deegan

          You could also sign Rock Jr (31 yo) to a MiL contract with an invite to ST. Would not be a bad move.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          Reporter: Brian, Tim Raines is currently 50 years old. He’s lost most of his bat speed and is last in the AL in most offensive categories. He contributes virtually nothing to the offense. Carrying him seems like a monumental waste of a roster spot. I have to ask: why are you keeping Tim Raines on this team?
          Cashmeezy: Because I can.

          /bigpenis’d

          • A.D.

            Rocks last year in the majors he put up a 351 OBP, while only batting 191…that’s just impressive.

  • http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/photo/gallery/091102/GAL-09Nov02-2999/media/PHO-09Nov02-185373.jpg Drew

    Now that he’s a FA, I’d rather roll with Byrnes.

    • Steve H

      Did you unnecessarily dive after posting that comment?

    • jsbrendog officially approves signing Fernando Tatis

      fact. last year tatis’s ops+ was 105.

      fact. byrnes has not ops+ 105 since 2004. suince then he has averaged 80.6 and has only broken 100 once with 103 in 2007.

      yes injuries blah blah blah, but the year he “broke out” to sign that contract ui believe was 07 when he was still at 103, 2 points below tatis.

      fact: tatis can also play all 4 infield positions and all 3 of positions in a pinch

      • A.D.

        Byrnes has only OPS+ over 100 something like 4 or 5 times.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        Fact: “Snort fine data” is an anagram for Fernando Tatis.

        • jsbrendog officially approves signing Fernando Tatis

          just……awesome

      • http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/photo/gallery/091102/GAL-09Nov02-2999/media/PHO-09Nov02-185373.jpg Drew

        Fact: Bears eat beets.

        Fact: Byrnes has a career OPS of 857 against southpaws.

        Fact: I’d be happy with Tatis too.

        • JMK aka The Overshare’s Garden Apartment Complex

          You should check out some of John Hodgman’s writing, particularly The Areas of My Expertise. I think you’d get a kick out of it. It has a Dwight feel to it.

          • http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/photo/gallery/091102/GAL-09Nov02-2999/media/PHO-09Nov02-185373.jpg Drew

            Hey that’s the PC guy.

            I read some excerpts and it looks pretty funny.

        • jsbrendog officially approves signing Fernando Tatis

          tatis’s is 808 career ops vs lefties. your point? the extra positions played, the being healthy, and the putting up solid numbers in 350 abs last year far outweigh the “potential” of eric byrnes

          • http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/photo/gallery/091102/GAL-09Nov02-2999/media/PHO-09Nov02-185373.jpg Drew

            heh.. My point is that Byrnes would be a solid pickup at or around the league minimum.
            As far as playing the infield, Tatis is a below average fielder at 3rd, his primary IF position. He’s played a total of 68 innings at SS and 2nd combined in his entire career.
            So, sure he can play many positions, that doesn’t mean he should.

    • JMK aka The Overshare’s Garden Apartment Complex

      You trollin’?

  • OUTFIELD OPTIONS

    I think Reed Johnson makes the most sense.

  • V

    Tatis hit two grand slams in one inning. ARod hasn’t even done that!!!!

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

      Therefore Tatis is > than A-Rod.

  • pete luciano

    Baldelli stinks, isn’t healthy and has never played in meaningful games. This left field talk is absolute nonsense. Damon is their best bet and the price has come down. He’s a great 2 hole hitter, hits leftys, and is playoff proven. Are the Yankees that cheap.

    • Pasqua

      “[Baldelli] has never played in meaningful games.”

      And, thus, should never be allowed to?

  • pete luciano

    Baldelli has a mysterious medical condition that saps him of his energy. Do you think his condition is apt to improve in the fishbowl in Gotham, please. There are horses for courses and Damon and Yankee Stadium fit. He belongs in NY not Baldelli, let’s be real here Baldelli will be an absolute disaster. Gardners weaknesses will be exposed by June and the Yankees will be looking for left field help in July and will have to give up prospects.

    • Joseph M

      Thank you Pete, you saved me a lot of typing. The only edit I would make would be to change the month from June to May.