Granderson ‘probably’ heading to DL with left groin strain

Game 23: Shot at redemption
Open Thread: The problems with Javy

Update (5:25 p.m.): Joe Girardi has announced that Granderson will “probably” be placed on the DL. We don’t yet know the severity of the strain or the likely replacement. Jon Weber had a very good Spring Training, and Greg Golson remains an option as well.

Update (4:10 p.m.): Granderson suffered a left groin strain and is headed for an MRI. Generally not good.

3:47 p.m.: Curtis Granderson left the sixth inning of today’s game with some kind of lower body injury. He pulled up lame going first to third on a single, and may have stepped on the bag awkwardly goings around second. He was replaced by Randy Winn. There’s no word on how serious the injury is, but we’ll be sure to update this post when he know more. Obviously, losing Grandy for any length of time would suck.

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Game 23: Shot at redemption
Open Thread: The problems with Javy
  • larryf

    Let’s hope it’s a cramp but….not much at Scranton in the OF

    • http://www.workwithpete.com Pete

      I don’t think he’d be limping like that with a cramp, but who knows. Maybe his foot fell asleep? ;)

  • http://twitter.com/rebexarama bexarama

    Be okay, Grandy! :(

  • FIPster Doofus
  • larryf

    Arod’s throws to first are mostly a thing of beauty this year. Ramiro gets some fill-in OF time if Grandy goes WAY down?

    • FIPster Doofus

      I assume CF – Gardy, LF – Thames/Winn

    • alightiningrodfan

      If he keeps up this great defense, he may get the gold glove this year for 3rd base. Hopefully his great defense continues.

  • FIPster Doofus

    Strained left groin according to Kay.

  • larryf

    All right-let me be the first to start the Javy for Melky and….trade

    pending MRI

    • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

      You are aware that Melky is hitting a robust .195/.287/.221 and is on the verge of losing his starting job in Atlanta, right?

      I mean, I realize there’s some sarcasm here, but Melky’s true colors are showing.

      • larryf

        I am aware and was being sarcastic plus melky would mess up robbie.

      • mike c

        gardner’s hitting somewhere around .330 my guess is that gardner and melky meet somewhere in the middle in the end

  • Zack

    Well I guess Randy Winn will get some consistant ABs to show if he still has some bat speed

  • Anksy

    Just a bad day all around.

  • First Time Poster

    If Grandy, Mo forbid, goes down for an extended period of time… would Dye or Sheff be considered? Not that I’m overly fond of the idea, just a thought.

    • Templeton “Brendog” Peck

      elijah. dukes.

      • http://mystiqueandaura.com/ pete

        this.

    • CNight_UP

      We already have a version of Jermaine Dye/Gary Sheffield, his name is Marcus Thames.

  • Rose

    Our offseason acquisitions are really looking good right about now…

    http://wwwdelivery.superstock......-14489.jpg (SAFE)

    • http://twitter.com/rebexarama bexarama

      Honestly, you can’t say people attack you unfairly when you post stuff like this. And you do a lot. The “stinky” stuff, I mean. It’s not like it’s Cashman’s fault Granderson got hurt.

      • Rose

        Did I say it was Cashman’s fault? Did I say it was anybody’s fault?

        All I said was that RIGHT NOW the offseason acquisitions look pretty bad.

        That’s literally all I said. Because they do.

        Are you going to tell me that they look good right now??

        • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

          We should probably jump off a bridge after a 15-8 record and 23 games. It would save us from watching another season of baseball.

          /sarcasm

          • Rose

            lol I’m not panicking…but the majority of our losses could be directly attributed to any of the newly acquired…or David Robertson…

            • poster

              Yeah, but if you agree that this is too short a sample size to actually attach any value to that asessment, then what’s your point? You kind of need to expect people to respond the way they have. Your probably didn’t mean it, but your comment came off as if you were just trying to make people mad.

              • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

                It’s baiting. He did it in the open thread too by posting Jesus Montero’s numbers and noting that they’re not that great yet.

        • dr seuss

          i agree with you. still a lot of games left, but right now the acquisitions don’t look good.

    • bonestock94

      Only an idiot would assess the acquisitions on May 1st.

      • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

        Play nice please. I know tensions run high after bad losses, but there’s no reason to resort to that sort of attack.

      • mike c

        “we’re going to get younger and more athletic this year. so let’s trade our best OF prospect for granderson, and hire that guy with the stiff back that gets hurt all the time. oh and also the guy who imploded in 2004, that sounds good too.”

        • poster

          This is full of all kinds of fail.

          • mike c

            is it javy level fail or is it johnson level?

            • poster

              Playing word games doesn’t change the fact that what you wrote makes no sense.

              • mike c

                so we did get younger and more athletic because of the off-season acquisitions this year? tell me how our pitching and offense is better because of these actions so far instead of insulting any fan that may question the yankee FO

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

                  Yankees in 2009: 5.64 runs scored per game, 4.65 runs against per game

                  Yankees in 2010: 5.39 scored, 3.74 against

                  They’re better this year than last.

                  • mike c

                    now just imagine if they had damon/mats and joba in the 4th spot

                    • poster

                      Fallacy of the predetermined outcome, although I actually agree that Joba should be the FIFTH starter.

                    • http://twitter.com/dpatrickg Dirty Pena aka The Smug Jackass Who Makes Negative Predictions About His Team and Comes to Brag When He’s Right

                      Would Matsui be batting 5th? Who’s to say Cano would be doing as well if he was in a different spot in the lineup? How do we know Joba wouldn’t have blown his arm out?

                      We’re freaking 15-8. Stop complaining.

    • http://mystiqueandaura.com/ pete

      I disagree on principle. Each of the offseason acquisitions looked good when they were made. Therefore, they were good acquisitions. Nothing that follows a decision, other than information that the decision-maker should have been aware of prior to the making of the decision, can change how good or bad a decision was.

      • mike c

        Cashman should be the pope of RAB, he’s already infallible around here

        • poster

          All you did was make an insult. I have absolutely no respect for you so you didn’t try and engage in any analysis at all.

          Instead of just trying to troll, why don’t you analyse and see if what people are saying makes sense or not? Because reality is that right now pete sounds smarter than you do. Making insults doesn’t change that.

          • poster

            “so you” in the second sentence should be “because you”. Sorry.

            • mike c

              reality right now is that the yankees are worse due to the off-season moves so far. explain how this is an incorrect statement

              • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

                The Yankees had a .636 winning percentage last year and have a .652 winning percentage this year. They’re better in 2010.

                • mike c

                  thats cool. the one thing i definitely do have to give these guys credit for is that they are playing great team baseball. i know its easy to jump on the new guys for sucking, but we don’t give enough credit to the players like cano, hughes, and gardner who are stepping up and when the other guys are down, and that’s really what matters when you want to win games every night

                  • http://mystiqueandaura.com/ pete

                    great players slump, usually a few major slumps per season. But when you have enough great players on the same team, enough will get hot and carry the team through other players slumps most of the time. Cano will slump – he’ll have a couple of 6-46s I’m sure. As will, almost certainly, Gardner. Hughes will probably go a month without pitching out of the 5th inning. Why? not because they suck, but because they play baseball. that’s what the game does. If you play it long enough, true talent levels will shine through. But you have to play it long enough.

              • poster

                I never said that was an incorrect statement. RIGHT NOW the Yankees are probably a bit worse, though if we really make thic conclusion we’re playing around with the fallacy of the predetermined outcome.

                But, for arguement’s sake, let’s assume that we can indeed conclude that RIGHT NOW the new additions make the Yankees worse. So? The season doesn’t end RIGHT NOW. There’s like, what, 89% of the season left? I’m almost certain Johnson will pull himself together and hit well, and if Granderson isn’t hurt too badly he too will make a significant contribution. Javy has over 20 starts left to prove that he could pitch to the tune of a 4.10 ERA and 200 innings pitched, which is what we expected of him, and it seems reasonable to believe that he hasn’t forgotten how to pitch and is only in a slump.

                AJax has a ridiculous BABIP right now and will come plummeting down to Earth. I don’t know Damon’s BABIP but he’s not young and plays bad defense, and because of his age and just because he’s playing SO well I think that he’ll certainly fall back to Earth as well. Ditto with Matsui.

                Not to mention, it seems obvious to conclude that these were the right moves at the time the Yankees made them. Johnson is injury prone but is only DH’ing and should certainly be able to hit 260-270 by the end of the year with a 420 OBP. Damon was older than Johnson and cocnluding that he would have a down year is not unrealistic.

                Matsui’s knees extremely fragile, and like Damon he’s old enough that it’s not really safe to assume he’d have another good year. Granderson was much younger and judging by his low BABIP was due for a big bounceback year. Yes, he’s injured, but it is completely impossible to conclude that he was more injury prone than Matsui (or Damon). There was just no reason to think that.

                I have no real issue with you saying that RIGHT NOW the offseason moves make the Yankees worse. But you didn’t say that, you made a snarky insult without using analysis that wasn’t true. RAB criticized Cashman tremednously when he put Joba in the ‘pen. Anyway, it doesn’t matter that they’re making the team worse RIGHT NOW, what matters is if they make the team worse by the end of game 162.

                • http://www.facebook.com/adorador Ray Fuego

                  THIS.

        • http://mystiqueandaura.com/ pete

          no, cashman is fallible. The Johnson signing and the Granderson and Vazquez trades are not. For me anyways. When they were made, they were good moves, therefore they are good moves. If it doesn’t work out, that’s too bad, but that doesn’t change my assessment of the decision, because it is ridiculously unfair to judge a decision made in the 09-10 offseason after that point.

          Obviously, Cashman didn’t have any information about the 2010 season (or any after it) this offseason when it comes to injuries and aberrational performances, which both Johnsons and Vazquez’s have been so far, in an admittedly small sample. To blame him for these things – Johnson not hitting anywhere near his usual level, Vazquez not pitching anywhere near his usual level, Granderson getting injured – is ridiculously unfair, as none have anything to do with Cashman or his judgement.

          When every player on a team plays at their expected levels with little variance but for an ordinary rash of minor injuries here and there, and the team underperforms its budget expectancy, then blame the GM, because obviously his decisions were bad ones.

          Or, better yet, judge a GM immediately after he makes moves, before your assessment of them can be marred by the whims of fate. Generally, some form of the information available to the GM at the time of the trade is, in all likelihood, available to you through the internet, although obviously their information about player defense and health is better than ours, so your assessment is bound to be a little bit off.

          The point is, judge a decision-maker based on how well they interpret information, not on how lucky or unlucky they are. Johnson getting injured – somewhat likely. Johnson not hitting – not very likely. Signing a guy who is likely to produce offensively, especially when it comes to not making outs in front of the team’s best hitters, and tempering his relatively high injury risk by having him DH, is a good decision, regardless of what happens afterwards.

          Signing a right handed innings eater who has a good track record of success in both leagues to slot on the other side of the guy most likely to have trouble pitching deep into games (5th starter – Joba or Hughes) is a good decision, regardless of how it plays out. Just because Javy is all of a sudden pitching absolutely nothing like himself doesn’t mean that the decision to trade for him was a bad one.

          Trading a decent defensive CF with limited power and a pitcher with a limited arsenal who profiles as a future #4/#5 in the AL East for a team whose #4 and #5 starters really need to be at least #3 starter quality for a quality defensive CF with 30+ HR power is a good decision, even if that CF winds up getting hurt. That sucks, but it has absolutely nothing to do with the original decision.

          • mike c

            yeah in all fairness i didn’t disagree with the granderson move at the time. it just grinds my gears that ajax is doing that well. it just seems to me that javy and NJ both look pretty unhealthy so far, especially when there was such a huge deal made out of damon and matsui’s age and health last off-season

            • http://twitter.com/dpatrickg Dirty Pena aka The Smug Jackass Who Makes Negative Predictions About His Team and Comes to Brag When He’s Right

              especially when there was such a huge deal made out of damon and matsui’s age and health last off-season

              And they’ve made it through a month of the season, and Matsui is performing below career norms. But hey, whatever floats your boat.

  • http://twitter.com/rebexarama bexarama
  • Ivan

    Rough day if your a yankee fan uh.

    • poster

      Well, annoying.

      The key is remembering that we’re going to win the series tomorrow.

  • Cecala

    Colin Curtis!

    • dr seuss

      he’s injured!

    • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

      He’s the 7-day DL right now with an ankle sprain. It won’t be him.

  • http://www.thechuckknoblog.com/ JobaWockeeZ

    Manny’s DL’ed for me. Rollins is DL’ed for me. Now Granderson.

    HIP HIP HOORAY!

  • Jobamania

    do we have anyone that can actually play LF? winn is nonexistent with his bat and having thames in LF is a huge defensive liability

  • Jobamania

    its either huffman or golson, both on the 40man

  • larryf

    Scranton at Norfolk tonight. Time to assess our options. I think Grandy is at least 14 days….

  • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

    I has a sad.

    • poster

      Ozzie Guillen, is that you?

  • http://twitter.com/j_sprouse2213 James

    I know Weber had a nice spring…but he has been horrid at Scranton and Golson and Huffman are already on the 40 man.

    i’m think Golson will get the call.

  • pat

    Time for Tex to put his beig boy pants on. Girardi said he’s worried about the pen more than the OF. Might see a reliever or longman brought up. Maybe melancon or towers/hirsh

    • pat

      Oops, Towers isn’t even on the team anymore. P

      obably Hirsh or Nova then.

    • Rey22

      I’m fairly sure Towers isn’t with the Yanks anymore. Dodgers I believe.

      • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

        Correct. Towers is with the Dodgers’ org right now.

  • whitey

    Isn’t Golson crazy fast? Be an interesting duo with Grit in the OF

    • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

      Yeah, but he can’t hit. At all.

  • First Time Poster

    I wish the Giants still had Lewis to move. The Jays got him for nothing. He’d be a great sub, huge upgrade from Winn.

  • bebop

    Weber’s been horrid in AAA and is a 32yo who never made it to the bigs. Suzie was saying Girardi would bring up a reliever, Melancon I assume.

  • Stephen

    Hopefully Melancon or Miranda. I don’t think we really need an OF if Ramiro Pena is our emergency 5th OF.

  • Mrgfeeny

    What number will Jermaine Dye wear?