Dec
04

Red Sox on the verge of acquiring Adrian Gonzalez

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Update (11:10am ET): The Padres will be receiving Kelly, Anthony Rizzo, Reymond Fuentes and a player to be named later in the trade. They were ranked the first, third, and sixth best prospects in Boston’s farm system a few weeks ago.

According to various reports out there, the Red Sox are on the verge of acquiring Adrian Gonzalez from the Padres for a package of prospects, including Casey Kelly. The players are apparently agreed to and MLB has approved a window for Boston to negotiate an extension with the first baseman, but Gonzalez must still take his physical, not a sure thing after having shoulder surgery last month.

Just look at how much the failure to sign Mark Teixeira has impacted the Sox. They had to trade three young players to the Indians for Victor Martinez in 2009 to make up for the lost offense, and now they have to deal even more young players to San Diego to fill the first base hole long-term. And they’re still going have to pay Gonzalez a boatload of money as if he was a free agent. Kinda sucks for them.

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  1. Jorge says:

    “I never really thought much of Casey Kelly.” – Peter Gammons, 12/4/10

  2. YankeesJunkie says:

    Sort of surprised that Red Sox did not have to give up Buccholz or Lowrie in the deal, but their minor league depth is going to take a hit with Kelly and a few other top prospects.

  3. icebird753 says:

    Fuck. I thought I would beat you guys to the punch…

  4. All Star Carl says:

    Thank god we don’t have to face the white Satchel Paige.

  5. Teh Comp Pick says:

    Casey Kelley doesnt have an ERA below 5 above high A ball, honestly can’t understand all the absurd hype. They better be giving up a lot more.

  6. Bryan L says:

    WE DOOOOOMED!!!!111

    Even though the Sox did give up Kelly + Rizzo and others, they’re just lucky it wasn’t more. If San Diego waits until the Deadline, I have a feeling they get a much better haul from a contender.

  7. Teh Comp Pick says:

    I hope Henry tries to get cute like he did with Tex, and they are unable to get a deal done.

  8. mason.flint says:

    who’s the major league ready player in that deal? Rizzo maybe. this deal makes a lot more sense for SD if they get a couple of high ceiling prospects thrown in (iglesias and ranuado?).

  9. FIPster Doofus says:

    God dammit.

  10. Joe R says:

    They’ll also lose a top draft pick for signing a Type A that we know they will. So another little blow to their farm system.

  11. YankeesJunkie says:

    Now it will be interesting to see what Gonzalez gets from the Red Sox. I would not be surprised to see him get a five or six year extension at 22.5 million a year like Mark, but I think it might end up being closer to 20 million a year since he is not on the open market.

  12. steve (different one) says:

    How do you sell this to your fans if you are SD? Would this be possible if they had won one more game and made the playoffs?

    If SD gets revenue sharing money, they should have it cut.

    Great bat for Boston, but I don’t like the idea of forcing Youkilis to 3B for the next few years.

    • YankeesJunkie says:

      If I was San Diego fan I would be pissed because they would not be making an effort for 2011, but hope that the players pan out in the trade and give the Pads a better shot down the road.

      • bonestock94 says:

        This, I guess they don’t think last year’s run is repeatable. Then again the haul today is probably much better than it would’ve been at the deadline…when theres a much better indication that you’re a contender or not.

    • Especially considering it that he only makes 5.5mm next year. I dont know why they are not going for another run next year. Surely you can get an equal or better package at the trade deadline for AGonz.

      • YankeesJunkie says:

        That is arguable just because he would be playing so much less time for the team he was traded too and there probably would be no time for negotiations. Also you are taking a risk that if A-Gon gets injured and what if no one comes up with a deal before the deadline then you are screw. The Padres are doing what is best for the next five years not the next five months.

  13. Angelo says:

    So after all of these years, it looks like the Redsox will finally get Adrian Gonzalez. As long as they’re paying a ton to acquire him, I’m happy.

  14. Simon B. says:

    Man…

    Gonzalez is a significantly better player than Tex and he’s signed crazy cheap the next two years.

    Please give up a lot more than Casey Kelly.

  15. That package seems underwhelming to me

    *shrugs*

  16. YankeesJunkie says:

    Does anyone know the complete package outside of Kelly. Considering there are no MLB ready prospects this seems like 5 for 1 or a 5 for 2 deal and the Red Sox get some other reliever.

  17. Jerome S says:

    WOW all this for only a year?

    Is Theo on crack? can’t he accept just one non-contending year?

    I wish A-Gon the best… I hope he lives up to the heavy title of “first overall pick”.

  18. kosmo says:

    Acquiring Anderson and Rizzo doesn´t make alot of sense seeing that they both play 1b.So far it´s Kelly ,Rizzo and Kalish…

  19. YankeesJunkie says:

    Quote of the morning so far from SOSH

    “The problem about speculating prospects is that the system is so deep. You could seriously craft a hundred different roughly-equivalent packages.

    Because Hoyer and Theo appear to value players so similarly, it will be fascinating to see which names were agreed upon.”

    • AndrewYF says:

      “Anything the Red Sox do is good for the team. Farm system has a bad year? No problem, Theo expected this and that’s why we have such a deep system. Trade all our worthwhile prospects for a superstar who would be a FA next year? GENIUS! This is why they didn’t really want Teixeira after all. Played the Yankees like fools and everything. Now the Yankees are going to be forced to give Cliff Lee $27M a year. Theo’s master plan is finally hatching, and its beautiful to see. Best GM in baseball history, bar none.”

      I might be exaggerating, but really only a little. There’s a reason no one takes that place at all seriously.

  20. At the Winter Meetings

    Theo: I saw your Rivera, Brian, and raised you Gonzalez.
    Cash (getting off phone): What’s that? I was too busy signing Cliff Lee. Where were we?

  21. Zack says:

    Well at least he kinda struggled v LHP in his career and we’ll have 3 lefty starters.

  22. Jeff says:

    WOW! This is a huge steal for the Sox. If they go out and get Crawford too, we will be in deep trouble.

  23. Adam Hobson says:

    I really can’t believe the Red Sox are going through with this. Gonzalez is a very nice player, but think about what this does to their roster. Do they really think that Kevin Youkilis can be a full time 3b? This is a 32 year old first baseman with an injury history who has NEVER played a full season in the majors at third, and who last spent significant time on the other side of the diamond way back in 2009. Do they really think that switching from one of the best defensive third basemen in the game (who hit pretty damn well) to converting a first baseman to the hot corner will really improve the team, Gonzalez’s bat not withstanding?

    And yes, I know that the advanced stats don’t hate Youkilis at third, and a few actually like him … but there is the small sample size issue. It’s generally acknowledged that you need two to three seasons of defensive data to get a decent reading on a player and Youk only has 200 games at 3b in his entire career, plus those games were all played two to five years ago.

    This is almost as crazy an idea as the Yanks moving A-Rod back to short, or Teixeira back to third…

    • Accent Shallow says:

      This is almost as crazy an idea as the Yanks moving A-Rod back to short, or Teixeira back to third…

      I don’t think it’s quite that bad, but this is a not-insignificant gamble. They’re probably losing 15 runs on defense alone.

      • ray says:

        one could argue Youk is better at 3b than ARod and AGonz is a gold glove 1bman……this definitely improves the Sox, even if it costs them prospects. They now can go out and sign a Crawford or Werth…..team has iimproved

        • Accent Shallow says:

          one could argue Youk is better at 3b than ARod

          Please, make that argument. I’ll wait. Youkilis has never been a full-time 3B, although he did play 63 games there in 2009. It’s not easy to move the wrong way on the defensive spectrum at age 31-32.

          Beltre was a Gold Glove caliber defender. Youkilis is likely now average to slightly below, and Gonzalez is probably only a little better than Youkilis at 1B. So they have about the same quality of 1B defense, while taking a hit of 10-15 runs at 3B.

          • Dustin says:

            Youk played 3B in minors and was very good there.

            Youk will be gold glove @ 3B. Arod getting older and breaking down now.

          • Sweet Dick Willie says:

            Beltre was a Gold Glove caliber defender.

            Alex made 7 errors in 2010, Beltre made 19.

            • deadrody says:

              Yikes. You do realize how few errors are made at 1B, right ?

              The most from a fulltimer there last season was by Ryan Howard – 14. You ever hear the argument about why you couldn’t evaluate Ozzie Smith at SS by looking at his error numbers ? You know, because he got to so many more balls ?

              Beltre was 4th in the bigs for assists at 3B and led all of MLB in putouts for a 3B. And he was 3rd in MLB for double plays at 3B.

              Heck, if you don’t believe it, go read anything from last off-season on the justification for signing Beltre in the first place. He hadn’t put up significant offensive numbers in 5 years when the Sox signed him to shore up their defense at third.

        • Adam Hobson says:

          Gonzalez may be a gold glove first baseman, but so was Youk, so that’s basically a wash. Youk is definitely a downgrade defensively at 3b replacing Beltre, just how much is the question. Remember also that Beltre was no slouch with the bat last year, he did post MVP-numbers, and a very health .310 TAv. Gonzalez’s TAv was better at .325 (TAv takes park effects into consideration), but is that upgrade enough to cover the defensive downgrade at third?

          I don’t know, but the Red Sox are certainly not clearly getting better in 2011 by this trade alone. They are probably more likely just treading water, and if Youk ends up a disaster at third this could end up being a downgrade.

          Remember also that position switches, especially those going up the defensive spectrum for players in their 30s increase the chance of injury. This trade only increases the chance that Youk could spend more time on the DL next year… and that certainly hurts the Red Sox.

        • ROBTEN says:

          this definitely improves the Sox, even if it costs them prospects. They now can go out and sign a Crawford or Werth…..team has iimproved

          It’s hard to say whether there has been any significant improvement.

          [All fWAR values below are averages based upon the period of time since each became a full-time player.]

          Right now, in losing Beltre and V-Mart they’re subtracting roughly 8.6 wins.

          Outside other moves–because they have not signed either Werth or Crawford yet–Gonzalez averages around 4.5 fWAR. So, with Gonzalez only, they’ve not improved the team.

          If they add Crawford (4.8 average fWAR) or Werth (3.6 average, although 5 fWAR over the past three seasons), you still have to subtract the value of the player they would be replacing. So, you’re talking about an improvement of perhaps two wins.

          Even if we assume that they don’t go forward with a Salty/Veritek combo behind the plate and also sign Martin, we’re still talking about a team that finished 89-73.

          So, would they be a 90-92 win team? Maybe.

          Does a potential one-three win improvement mean that Yankee fans should now panic? No.

          Remember, the Red Sox now also have to sign long term deals with A-Gon, and Crawford or Werth. Plus, having dealt away up to six top prospects in two years to get A-Gon and the now departed V-Mart, you have to seriously consider whether in the long term they have perhaps weakened, rather than improved, the team (as there are also now fewer young, cheap players available to either slot in as replacements to aging veterans, or available to trade for future upgrades).

          • AndrewYF says:

            Yeah, but they lost 25 wins when the three best players in baseball, Pedroia, Youkilis, and Jacoby Ellsbury, missed the season. Not to mention the 4th-best player, Mike Cameron.

            When all those players come back and play 162 games, their team will win 125 games, easily.

            /Eric Van’d

  24. Accent Shallow says:

    If the Red Sox get Gonzalez for Casey Kelly, I have to go from being down on his prospect status to believing in it.

    The cognitive dissonance is staggering.

    Seriously, though, for how he’s talked about, you’d think he’s putting up Phil Hughes or Clay Buchholz numbers, when he really isn’t.

    He was only 20 in AA, but 118 hits in 95 innings really gives me pause.

    • Gammons was on his knees all season, and Kelly had a hard time getting him off.

    • JohnnyC says:

      Jed Hoyer worked for the Red Sox in his previous life. It’s no surprise he’d drink the kool-aid on any “prospect” in the system.

      • Accent Shallow says:

        Actually, wouldn’t Hoyer’s previous exposure give him a better perspective, rather than drinking the Kool-Aid? He’d have seen all the scouting reports on Kelly, he’d know Kelly’s strengths and weaknesses better than, say, Ned Colletti would.

        At least, that’s the hope.

        • Ned Colletti doesn’t even know his own prospects. Carlos Santana for Casey Blake? lol

          Anyways, yeah it’s obvious that he knows his former team’s prospects quite well, but I wonder if he was aware of the down years many of the Sox top prospects had.

          • Louis says:

            Yea I was always wondering about that Carlos Santana deal…. I kept thinking that there must of been someone else that was included other than just Blake but aparantly not. just a terrible, terrible trade.

            • Zack says:

              But hey at least the Indians threw in 2m, that evened things up…

              • Accent Shallow says:

                Exactly. This is what happens when you have cheap owners like the McCourts . . . you ship good prospects out to get the other teams to kick in money.

                • Louis says:

                  Good prospects= elite prospects. Idc how much money is beingthrown in- Carlos Santana for Casey Blake? That’s ridiculous. And he’s a catcher! I’d much rather have him behind the plate than rod friggin barajas

                  • Zack says:

                    We all agree with that.
                    But cheap teams make bad decisions, they’ll upgrade a prospect just for the other team to pay an extra million or two.

    • vin says:

      I know you know how Phil performed as a 20 year old in AA. But for those who don’t…

      http://www.baseball-reference......ghes001phi

      Kelly has a long way to go to match up to that kind of prospect level.

  25. China Joe says:

    At least we can say that, by trading Casey Kelly away, the Red Sox have dropped their number of aces back down to five.

  26. Januz says:

    I looked at the Gonzalez numbers, and there is not a major difference between him and Teixeira (Tex might be more valuable because he is a switch-hitter).
    As for Gonzalez, if I am a San Diego fan, I would feel like I had my teeth kicked in. They almost made the playoffs (Beaten out by the WORLD CHAMPIONS), so their reward to me, would not only am I trading my best player, but a local guy (Born in SD, and went to Chula Vista High (I have been to Chula Vista, it is located right between SD & Baja, Mexico).
    Besides the Padre fans, the biggest loser in this is Prince Fielder. He & Boras just lost another possible landing spot for him and huge contract demands.

  27. Kelly, Rizzo, Fuentes

    wowwwwwwww

  28. Poopy Pants says:

    Gonzo >>>>>>>>> V MArt.

    Healthy Sox team >>>>>>>>>>>> Unhealthy Sox team.

    Beltre is gone, but he was due to regress anyway (I suppose).

    They should be trouble this year. Weren’t people writing them off for 2011 last week?

    • FIPster Doofus says:

      Beltre still had an MVP-type season in 2010. That’s tough production to replace, even though I agree that he will regress going forward.

      In any event, Boston, if healthy, is going to be a major contender. I expect both the Red Sox and Yankees to be in the playoffs. They haven’t met in the postseason since 2004; that’s due to change.

    • Shaun says:

      Beltre only plays MVP level ball when he’s contract years, after he inks those deals the wheels fall off and he burns the cart down. He refuses to do much of anything.

  29. It seems that the Padres acquired Adrian Gonzalez by giving very little to get him, so it only seems fair that they get the exact thing back.

  30. kosmo says:

    plus a “major league ready player“ I suspect someone like either Kalish or Lowrie

  31. dennis says:

    Baseball America Trade Evaluation:
    Red Sox got a steal. Casey Kelly is a forth starter at best with fringe stuff, Rizzo is nothing compared to Lars and Fuentes is a 4th outfielder. Wow how are the red sox so smart to get the best player in the history of baseball for almost nothing. Praise Theo the boy genius.

  32. AJ says:

    Well…at least theres no chance they steal Pujols next year.

  33. dennis says:

    Keith Law Chat:

    Casey Kelly or a bag of marbles?

    Law: As much as I like Casey Kelly I think the bag of marbles has more potential. The bag has those intangibles that cant be tough. All the scouts I talked to love the marbles, they all tell me “this bag is going to be something special”, “plus plus peripherals across the board”.

  34. Louis says:

    Sox lineup : (idk the order) c- saltallamachia? 1b-gonzo 2b-pedroia 3b-youkilis ss-scutaro lf-(speculation) werth cf-ellsbury rf- drew. Posada/montero >> salty- tiexiera>pedroia- arod>youkilis- jeter>scutaro- gardnerellsbury- swisher> drew. Sabathia>Lester-lee>>Beckett-Hughes lackey- burnett= dicek? Yanks bullpen>sox bullpen. I don’t think we have as much to worry about as everyone thinks.

  35. It’s going to be hard for the Red Sox to start giving the “home town discount” speech to it’s players when they sign Gonzalez to a +$20 million a year contract.

    • Obviously that is the make-or-break part of this deal. I wonder how willing Theo is to give Gonzalez the same money Tex got, or if he will try to sweet talk him into saying “5/50 is worth 5 championships, and all-stars as team mates, you also get to live in the great city of Boston.”

    • Zack says:

      I’m sure they’ll find a way, they always do.
      Look at Heyman’s twitter, he’s already said that Red Sox are the team that Adrian wanted.

      • Adam Hobson says:

        I think part of the reason the Red Sox are the team that Adrian wanted is because they have the money to give to the giant contract he’s expecting. From everything I’ve read, he seems like he’s wants full value from his next contract, and if the Red Sox won’t give him free market value now, he’ll just wait and hit free agency next off season.

  36. Mister Delaware says:

    Lets play the flipside game. Sox signed Teix in December of 2008, won the 2009 World Series (we were swept in the first round). Last year we missed the playoffs altogether. Today we traded Montero, Banuelos, Heathcott and possibly another prospect or two, plus will be agreeing to a ~$175MM deal, all to make up for our mistake 23 months ago.

    Its good to be a Yankees fan.

  37. YankeesJunkie says:

    It just does not seem that the Padres got enough in this deal. The Padres are giving away a franchise player for three minor leaguers who while in the top 10 for the Sox have not played above AA. If that were the case I would think that a guy like Lowrie or even Ellsbury would have to be included.

    • Mister Delaware says:

      Really? I actually love the approach by Hoyer. Don’t bother with players (Lou Marson / Jason Donald) you know will reach the majors but with a low ceiling, compose the entire package of high upside players. Better chance of a total flop, but also a much better chance of a major payoff.

      • YankeesJunkie says:

        There is nothing wrong with getting high upside players in a deal, however if you are trading a player the caliber of Adrian you want at least one player that can contribute to your MLB team right away. Obviously the player to named is not yet decided so the whole deal has not been revealed.

        • Mister Delaware says:

          I know that’s the common logic, I just don’t buy it. I’d much rather add additional upside than get a mediocre, low ceiling young guy to immediately show off.

          • YankeesJunkie says:

            If I am the Padres I would just be disappointed that Kelly is the only top 50 prospect/MLB player gotten out of the deal. However, I will be interested to see who the fourth player is because if it is another high upside prospect then a 4-1 deal is much better than a 3-1 deal.

    • Sweet Dick Willie says:

      Don’t forget, AG would have been a free agent after 2011, so Hoyer got those prospects in exchange for one year of Gonzalez.

      Not a bad haul considering the circumstances, although I am a bit surprised that Kalish, Reddick or Lowrie wasn’t included.

    • Reggie C. says:

      Ellsbury could be in that package. I’ve heard he’s a BG-caliber player with more power. It’d be a quality addition to the package.

  38. Yanko says:

    So no Beltre defense, but Youk instead at third plus some prospects. Then the extention. Do they still have the money to sign Crawford after this pending extention? Even though A.Gon is a beast, Beltre put up some good offensive numbers for them last year, so its almost a wash.

    Crawford
    Pedroia
    Youk
    Gonzalez
    Ortiz
    Drew
    Salty
    Lowrie
    Elsberry

    Dang, if you look at it this way, its one potent top 5 with a lot of power and some speed uptop.

    • AndrewYF says:

      Yeah, but look at the bottom four. Ye-ech.

      • Ultimate Yankee Warrior (James) says:

        JD Drew is a Ye-ech? Lowrie can OPS .800 and Ellsbury can do the same while stealing 60 bases.

        The only real weak spot is Salty, but if they play the hot bat between him and Varitek they could easily do fine at C.

        The only benefit I see is they are vulnerable to lefties, AGonz is sub-.800 Ops in his career against them.

        • AndrewYF says:

          And Jeter can hit .320, and A-Rod can slug .600, yadda yadda yadda.

          Lowrie has never played more than 81 games in a season, Drew is old and has been declining for years, Salty is just terrible, and Ellsbury missed almost the entire year, and wasn’t ever really all that great a hitter when he was healthy. Also, they’re all major red flags in terms of injury concerns. And if you remember last year for Boston, accumulating a bunch of red flags doesn’t guarantee you a green one. It just ensures your disabled list is nice and stocked.

          I should say, that bottom four is ‘ye-ech’ when you compare it to the Yankee lineup. A team like the Giants would love to have those players. But we’re comparing the Red Sox to their competition, and their lineup still doesn’t really match up well with the Yankees’.

          • Ultimate Yankee Warrior (James) says:

            Just as Salty has Varitek, Lowrie has Scutaro and Ellsbury has Cameron. Between those six players, and Francona’s decent ability to manage playing time, it’s a good bet they get at least average production from those slots.

            Let’s do it the old breakdown way:
            C: Advantage Yanks
            1b: Advantage Sox
            2b: Advantage Yanks
            SS: Push?
            3B: Advantage Sox
            LF: Advantage Sox (if Werth/Crawford)
            CF: Advantage Yanks
            RF: Advantage Yanks
            DH: Push?

            That’s pretty darn close. They’re close at a few positions (1B, 2B, 3B, SS, DH, RF). The Yanks have a clear advantage in CF and at C but that assumes that Montero integrates well and that Granderson continues his resurgence. LF could be close or a clear advantage if the Sox sign another player.

            But the Sox did not have trouble scoring runs last year, even with all of the injuries. Their pitching is the big question mark and if the Yanks sign Lee they’re clearly the favorites.

            • Kiersten says:

              1B is a wash. And are you really saying Youk is a better 3B than ARod?

            • Youk can’t even hold A-Rod’s jock strap.

            • radnom says:

              More like this….

              C: Advantage Yanks
              1b: Push
              2b: Advantage Yanks
              SS: Advantage Yanks
              3B: Push (uncertainty with Arod’s health makes this a push)
              LF: Advantage Sox (if Werth/Crawford)
              CF: Advantage Yanks
              RF: Slight Advantage Yanks
              DH: Advantage Sox (Slight, but I like Ortiz to produce at a higher level than Posada next year).

              Not all that close, Yankees clearly have a better lineup even with Werth/Crawford.

        • AndrewYF says:

          Fact: in Jacoby Ellsbury’s two full seasons in the majors, he OPS+’d 87 and 97.

        • Mattchu12 says:

          They will sign Miguel Olivo or Russell Martin, bank on it.

  39. C says:

    This really knocks down Bostons farm system a peg or two. I would say they are a bottom 10 system now.

  40. Reggie C. says:

    A-Gonz can’t be any better than what Beltre produced last season. If anything, Gonzalez might represent a step back offensively factoring in a slight adjustment to a new league.

  41. Ultimate Yankee Warrior (James) says:

    The Sox don’t have to give up one major league ready prospect for Adrian Gonzalez? The Yanks gave up much more for Curtis Granderson.

    Moreover, if the Pads had simply let him walk they would have gotten picks equal to Kelly and Fuentes (both 1st rounders). So for one year of AGonz at $6M they get Fuentes?

    This deal is a great, sweatheart deal for the Sox. I can’t believe that the Pads couldn’t get one major league ready player from any other team or even from the Sox. That seems insane even if the extension is there. Shoot, this is a deal you give up regardless of whether you can sign him to an extension. They get 6-7 wins next year for $6M and without losing any wins from their major league club.

  42. ultimate913 says:

    10:52am: Morosi tweets that Gonzalez is seeking a Ryan Howard-like contract. Howard signed a five-year contract extension worth $125MM earlier this year.

    Only 5 years? If I’m the Red Sox, I’d be comfortable with that, even though he’d want 23+ mil per year.

    • Ultimate Yankee Warrior (James) says:

      Wow, that’s really something. A short deal and no impact prospects, not even in the VMart deal.

      The Sox trade a pu pu platter for perhaps the second best 1B in the game who’s south of 30. Kudos to Epstein.

    • Zack says:

      But that 5 years was on top of the 39m he had coming to him for 2010 and 2011. Adrian has 6m coming to him this year, not sure why he wouldn’t demand 6-7 years.

      But I’m sure we’ll hear the story lines about as a young boy growing up in San Diego, he always loved and admired the Red Sox organization and his dad always had dreams about his boy playing at Fenway.

      /bay’d
      /vmart’d
      /beltre’d
      /et al

  43. LunaticFringe says:

    By a show of hands, who would trade Montero for the package of prospects the Red Sox seem to be giving up here?

    • YankeesJunkie says:

      Nope

    • Ultimate Yankee Warrior (James) says:

      Nope.

    • Sweet Dick Willie says:

      Nope.

      But a major reason is The Jesus is ML ready and will be making the ML minimum for the next 3 years.

      • deadrody says:

        Not true. That might be a consideration for a ML team, but not fans. I don’t evaluate Jesus Montero’s potential contribution to the team based on his salary. Certainly there is some amount of reality involved with the high salaries and elevated ages of A-Rod, Jeter, Texeira, CC, Burnett, Cliff Lee (hoping), etc.

        But in general I don’t think ahead to next season and worry about how much anybody is making.

        So when I say “hell no” I wouldn’t trade Montero for Kelly, Rizzo, and Fuentes, it has nothing to do with how much Montero will make. It does matter some that he is ML ready, but if it were Gary Sanchez for those three, I would probably say “Meh”. Whatever.

        The fact is that none of those three is going to be the kind of ML player that Montero will be, and so NO, I wouldn’t trade him for all three.

        • Rivera Venue Blues says:

          I do worry about what salary he’s making because having cheap production is what allows us to go out and buy up the free agents we want.

  44. UnNamed Yankee Source says:

    Hmmmm…..

    Sure looks like SD could use a 1B with Pop? Nick Swisher anyone?

    How about a Swisher for Heath Bell deal, saves the Yanks $2.75m and opens a hole for Crawford.

    • YankeesJunkie says:

      No reason to buy Crawford especially if it means trading a 4 WAR OF to a 1 WAR setup man. Just a bad deal for the Yankees all around.

    • Sweet Dick Willie says:

      Nick Swisher is waaaaay more valuable to the Yanks than Heath Bell would be.

      If the Yanks were to move Swish, I’m sure the return would be MUCH greater than Heath Bell.

    • Mike HC says:

      I wouldn’t do that, but it does make you think how much Swisher could actually get us in trade. He might not get us much more than that or a decent, but not top notch prospect.

  45. Mattchu12 says:

    The way I’m looking at it, they are trading in V-Mart and Beltre for A-Gon and Werth (predicting not nearly as productive in coming years). It’s still an upgrade, but I think it only makes them a little better. I think a healthy Pedroia, Ellsbury, and Youkilis makes a bigger difference than that swap.

  46. Kiersten says:

    No Major League talent?

    Hey Padres GM, your trade proposal sucks.

  47. I thought Hoyer would play hardball with his old team and demand MLB-ready talent.

  48. eckss says:

    So they’re basically flipping Beltre for A-Gon… I’m more concerned by the fact that they surprisingly didn’t do so badly scoring runs even with all the injuries last year.

  49. MikeD says:

    Hmmmm, so I guess now we go from mocking Casey Kelly to rooting for him to be the next Roger Clemens?!

  50. Sick Nwisher says:

    “Some” Yankee fans really need stop letting their Red Sox hatred cloud their judgement. The Red Sox made out great on this trade.
    Epstein really needs to take a bow for this trade. I hate to say it but this was a job well done by Theo.

    • pat says:

      I don’t think anybody is bashing the Sox. Moreso people bashing the Padres for not getting more back in return.

    • Not Tank the Frank says:

      I’m more impressed with the Yankees ability to resist trading their top talent to sign a player to a long-term, big money extension. They only seem willing to do it for a top flight pitcher (Halladay, Lee).

      But no one will ever give the Yankees FO any credit. All they do is shell out money for old players.

  51. Tom T says:

    Man you guys are being a little hard on this deal. The Padres got the Sox’s 1, 3 and 6 prospects and a PTBNL AND they have to pay Gonzalez. ERA isn’t everything — Kelly’s FIP was much better and he has age, stuff and scouting reports on his side. Personally I think the Sox paid quite a bit to get 1 year of Gonzalez.

    • Ultimate Yankee Warrior (James) says:

      Kelly gave up 11 hits per 9 in AA. He’s at least two years away from the majors.

      Rizzo has never cracked a .500 SLG in the minors and sits below a .350 OBP. A major league 1B he’s not, especially because he made 15 errors in 100 games last year.

      Fuentes is Slade Heathcott without the discipline – a low-A barely adequate stick.

      By contrast, AGon is an MVP talent especially hitting in Fenway with two Gold Gloves. He’s getting paid $6M in 2011 and will deliver 5-6 wins. That’s easily worth this package where there’s a good chance none of these prospects contributes 5-6 wins in their entire careers, and certainly not in the next two or three years.

  52. LunaticFringe says:

    Hell’s Bells, the Yankees were ready to ship Montero and David Adams out for half a season of Cliff Lee. I’m not critisizing the Red Sox, I’m saying the package San Diego is getting seems kinda…light.

  53. Sweet Dick Willie says:

    Nothing like a trade to change one’s perspective.

    From Pete Abe, re Casey Kelly: He’s a big loss, a potential No. 2 starter with great makeup. (emphasis mine)

    No. 2? I thought he was being touted as the best pitching prospect in MLB, the next Roger Clemens.

    Oh, that’s right. That was when he was w/ the Sux. Now that he’s with the Pads, he’s just a potential No. 2.

  54. nathan says:

    You could see this trade coming almost 1.5 years back. As soon as Hoyer was hired this was a given.

    This trade feels a lot like the Kevin Garnett TWolves-Celtics trade. Boston just made another day light robbery. I think there would have been far better packages out there

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