Red Sox rough up Hughes for first win of 2011

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It was bound to happen at some point, it’s just unfortunate it had to happen against the Yankees. The Red Sox won their first game of the 2011 season on Friday, eight days after New York captured its first W. It was a fairly typical Yankees-Red Sox game in that it featured a lot of offense, a lot of pitching changes, and lasted about four hours.

The Phil Hughes Problem

(AP Photo/Charles Krupa)

For the second straight start, Hughes was simply awful. He was actually worse than his first start against the Tigers, both in line score (2 IP, 7 H, 6 R, 6 ER, 2 BB, 0 K) and overall look. Phil’s fastball was fast in name only, topping out at 91.9 mph (one of just eight pitches over 90) and averaging just 89.84 mph. His breaking balls just tumbled, they didn’t have any sharp break and were just spinning in place it seemed. Of his 47 pitches, 30 (!!!) were cutters, and that’s no way for a non-Mariano Rivera pitcher to live.

“[I was] just trying to find a way to get [batters] out,” said Hughes after the game, essentially admitting that he has no answers for his troubles. He pitched defensively, afraid to come near the zone and challenge hitters, and he paid dearly. The Yankees can talk all they want about not being worried because they believe he’ll find the missing velocity, but they should be concerned. You almost hope he’s hurt in some way (not seriously, of course), because at least then we’d have some kind of explanation. I assume the team will have Phil checked out medically (MRI or whatever) just to be certain; they’d be foolish not to.  Their prized 24-year-old right-hander looks like a shell of his former self.

What’s the solution? I wish I knew. In my completely amateur opinion, I think they should let Hughes take another turn or two just to see what happens, because maybe it is something as simple as building up arm strength. If that doesn’t work, then you consider a disabled list stint or a trip to minors since Kevin Millwood’s opt-out date will be fast approaching. The Phil Hughes that was on the yesterday was not a Major League pitcher, and there has to be concern.

Like a boss. (AP Photo/Charles Krupa)

The Bartolo Colon Solution

Hughes was relieved by a guy who knows all about losing stuff and fighting back, and boy, was Colon sharp. He worked both sides of the plate with two fastballs, a straight four-seamer and a running two-seamer that resulted in quite a few called strikes. Colon used the Greg Maddux pick rather effectively a few times to strike out lefties, throwing that two-seamer inside and having it dart back over the inside the corner. For my money, I don’t know if there’s a prettier pitch in baseball. Here, look. Gorgeous. (thx Rich Iurilli)

Colon threw 62 pitches over 4.1 innings, striking out five against just two hits and one walk. He allowed an unearned run in the fifth then one earned run when he wasn’t even on the mound, but we’ll get to that in a bit. After Hughes’ awful two innings, Colon gave the Yankees plenty of time to get back in the game, and frankly he looks like he belongs in the rotation. It was only one outing of course, but if the Yanks do end up having to yank Phil from the rotation at some point, Bartolo made a fine case for a starting spot today. Give that man a round of applause.

The Boone Logan Problem

With Pedro Feliciano on the shelf for what I’m just assuming is indefinitely at this point, Logan is the guy Joe Girardi is going to turn to to get out tough lefties. Three appearances into the season, he hasn’t come close to doing that. With a man on first in the seventh, Logan ran a 3-1 count to David Ortiz before allowing a double off the monstah. A full count to J.D. Drew and an RBI single followed that, a run that was charged to Colon. Logan allowed the first five left-handed batters he faced this year to reach base before retiring Jacoby Ellsbury to end that inning.

I saw some people jump on Girardi for lifting Colon, but I don’t agree with that for a second. That’s all on Logan, he’s got to get the job done there, plain and simple. For a guy whose track record of success in the big leagues consists of like, 20 innings at the end of last season, Logan needs to improve his performance and fast. He’s not exactly an indispensable cog in the machine.

General Awfulness

Mark Teixeira went 0-for-4 with a walk and is now hitless in his last eleven at-bats. Jorge Posada took an 0-for-4 as well and is hitless in his 14 at-bats. That dates back to his second inning homer off Scott Baker in the first game of the Twins’ series. Russell Martin has two hits (both singles) in his last 13 at-bats, and Curtis Granderson has just three singles in his last 20 at-bats, though one came in this game. That’s a lot of slumping bats in the lineup at one time.

Derek Jeter‘s 1-for-5 effort was marred by sixth inning double play that ended the inning. The Yankees had men on first and second at the time and were down by just a run, and former Yank Al Aceves was asking for trouble, missing his spots badly. Jeter let him off the hook though, the double play checked in at -.143 WPA. The only play that decreased New York’s chances of winning more was Dustin Pedroia’s two-run single in the second (-.176 WPA). If that wasn’t bad enough, the Cap’n popped up a first pitch bunt after John Lackey walked Brett Gardner to lead off the game. Lackey walked two batters in the inning and the Yankees ended up scoring two runs despite Jeter gift-wrapping Boston an out.

For the second straight game, Tex let a playable ball slip under his glove for a run scoring hit. Maybe we’ve set our standards too high because of his glovework over the last two years, but those are balls he’s got to scoop up to save some runs. Just knock it down at least.

(AP Photo/Charles Krupa)

Bright Spots

We’ve talked enough about the bad stuff, let’s make sure we mention the silver linings as well. Brett Gardner was awesome, reaching base four times thanks to a double, a triple, and a pair of walks. He also stole a base and saw 23 pitches in five trips to the plate, and has reached base in six of his last eight plate appearances. That’s more like it.

Alex Rodriguez clubbed a solo homer to lead off the fifth, and he also reached base on a walk and a hit-by-pitch. A-Rod scored half of the team’s six runs because Robbie Cano was doin’ work behind him. The second baseman had two doubles, the first clear over Ellsbury’s head in center and the second off the big green wall. Only he could start the season with multiple hits in nearly half his games and still make it appear as if he’s slumping.

Believe it or not, David Robertson did not get dry humped. He warmed up and actually pitched in the game, working a scoreless eighth inning after Logan let things get out of hand. The Red Sox mustered very little offense against non-Hughes and Logan pitchers in this game, which I suppose bodes well for tomorrow, right?

WPA Graph & Box Score

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Up Next

Game two of the series will be broadcast on FOX tomorrow afternoon (boo) at 1:10pm ET, not the usual 4pm start FOX throws at us. Ivan Nova gets the ball against Clay Buchholz.

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  • CMP

    Ian Kennedy looking pretty good tonite with 9 Ks and only 1 run through 8 innings against a pretty good Reds offense. His velocity is now better than Phil Hughes.

    • Pat D

      I knew someone was going to comment on this. I was hoping I was going to use my sarcastic way of doing it first, but now it’s a moot point.

    • ultimate913

      Maybe the Yanks should ask for him back!

      Not.

      • CMP

        Maybe they should have given him more than 50 innings in the bigs before deciding he wasn’t good enough to keep around.

        YES.

        • The Big City of Dreams

          Maybe they should have given him more than 50 innings in the bigs before deciding he wasn’t good enough to keep around.

          ——————-

          It’s the Yankee way if you succeed we love you but if you fail get out.

          • CMP

            The idea is to keep the good ones around.
            Grandy so far has not even been as good as Ajax without even considering it also cost IPK (who would be in our starting rotation right now) and Coke (who would be ahead of Logan as our primary LOOGY right now until if and when Feliciano comes back).

    • It’sATarp

      Yankees can obviously should have seen the future where they are supposed to know hughes velocity would drop and Kennedy’s wouldn’t

    • Kosmo

      maybe we should be talking about what a turn around Granderson has made since working with KL late last season.

      • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

        Absolutely. It’s not as though the Yanks gave up Kennedy for nothing.

        • CMP

          Yeah Grandy is a reincarnation of Babe Ruth with his .558 OPS so far this year. Sure it’s a small sample size but so was his improvement the last few months of last year.

          • CMP

            Correction. Last 90 ABs of last seasons.

          • Kosmo

            I just want you to know I agree with you .I was being sarcastic.I still feel Granderson has yet to make a significant impact.Still waiting.
            Arizona considers IPK their number 1 guy.Must be a reason they feel that way ? He knows how to pitch ,he mixes speeds well and has shown good command.

            • Pat D

              One reason would be “by default” since they don’t have anyone else better.

              Unless you think Joe Saunders is a good pitcher.

              • Kosmo

                You are dead wrong.Arizona traded for IPK .He wasn´t a throw in.
                Arizona has a core of good young pitchers and if they draft Gerrit Cole it will be even better.

      • CMP

        Yeah because it would be naive to think maybe Granderson just had 1 awesome month when in reality he has been transformed into a .900+ OPS CFer who can now hit lefties since he did it for 90 ABs last September. The prior 370 ABs last season or 3000 ABs in his career don’t count I guess because he’s been “turned around”

    • Soulstar

      Great! I love Grandy but the Yanks gave up too much to get him…

    • DaN

      how about Captain Groundout and another miserable game.

      I read something about a 76% groundball rate so far this year(not including yesterdays affair)

      i know hes going to pick it up eventually but he needs to start getting the ball off the ground.

      this is cancer to a team for a 2nd hitter.. gardner getting on or runners on, batting before Tex and Arod. needs to be able to get the ball off the ground.

      the double play yesterday was almost laughable.. 2nd pitch in the at bat after aceves looked off…ridiculous.

  • Gonzo

    Hopefully the gang can continue the xFIP justice on Clay the tweeker.

    I am going out on a limb and saying Nova becomes a man Saturday. True Yankee style.

  • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

    there’s something hilarious about Bartolo Colon pitches being called pretty and gorgeous

    • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

      Colon’s two seamer: “Don’t hate me cause I’m beautiful…”

      /kills self for terrible joke

  • Drew

    Its scary to think that there is something seriously wrong with Hughes, that he can’t go 3 innings and at least be able to battle. Lackey was terrible but he at least ate some innings. If Hughes becomes Wang I’ll probably be the most upset person on the planet. Again it is still early in the season and its only 2 starts but Jesus please get better Hughesy (That’s what Girardi would call him)

  • Justin

    Even in the 2009 playoffs I thought Hughes looked really shaky and ever since then I never really had 100% confidence in him. Just like Mike said lets be patient and hope Hughes turns it around.

  • It’sATarp

    Hughes hasn’t been a decent pitcher since the second half of last year…and that was with velocity. It’s no surprise he’s utter crap now that his fastball is gone. I have very little confidence in him this year since velocity especially since it’s been a month isn’t going to magically reappear without major adjustments or even time off.

    • Ryan

      you’re just being ignorant

      • It’sATarp

        how? by worrying about our young pitcher’s poor performance? His second half numbers last year were 4.90 ERA, 5.19 FIP, 1.34 WHIP, 6.57 K/9…do you really expect him to be better if he doesn’t find it?

      • CMP

        No he’s being realistic and you’re being ignorant. Until his velocity comes back, you have to be concerned. No one can say with any certainty that it will come back, we can only hope.

  • jorge brosada

    Colon is awesome. I believe in the Bartolo

  • China Joe

    People shouldn’t be comparing 2010 Phil Hughes to 2011 Phil Hughes. 2010 Phil Hughes had a good hard fastball but needed to develop another offspeed pitch to put away hitters (especially lefties). 2011 Phil Hughes has no effective pitches at the moment.

    I think a minor league stint might help, if he has options…maybe even send him down to Tampa to work out in the warm weather.

  • Peter Lacock

    ‘I think they should let Hughes take another turn or two just to see what happens’

    It’s good to hear at least one person outside of the organization thinking logically.

  • Jenny

    On “MLB Tonight”, Harold Reynolds and Mitch Williams both said they think Hughes must have some undisclosed physical injury.

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      This clearly means there’s absolutely nothing wrong with him. #terribleanalysts

      • Carl

        lol good one

  • dalelama

    I am surprised no one mentioned that Jeter for some unknown reason passed on an easy double play in the second inning that would have ended the inning. Just one example of how the science used to determine the most important play of the game is flawed. I think if we turn that DP three or four runs would have been prevented.

    • Monteroisdinero

      But he allowed us to score 2 in the first by not grounding into a dp when he bunted for an out. Nice job by our 51M SS.

      How he can be batting second with a righty on the mound nowadays is beyond me.

  • Jon Kantrowitz

    It makes no sense to keep sending Hughes out there at this point. “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” Send him to the minors or extended spring training – it can only help him at this point. Colon deserves a starting role. Bring up Millwood for long relief.

    Logan needs to go down as well. He’s useless.

  • Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan

    I bought a dog and named it Boone. Then I shot it. Angry much?

  • I am not the droids you’re looking for

    Sorry for the ot but ohhhhhhhhh Manny!

  • Tom Merritt

    I said I wasn’t going to do it but I can’t help myself!!! Watching Girardi manage just drives me crazy. It was obvious yesterday what was going to happen if he left Hughes on the mound to pitch past the 1st inning. He looked like he was afraid to pitch and his body language was horrible. He lets the guy stay out there and get his brains beaten in. I don’t know what is wrong with Hughes but he should not take a major league mound again until they figure it out.

    Jeter looks horrible to me. He can’t hit the ball out of the infield and he looks worse in the field this year than ever. I will be stunned if he comes back in any meaningful way from this decline. He is just worn out and should not be hitting 2nd or playing shortstop any more. I blame Jeter more than the Yankees. He should have had the decency to retire at the end of last year vs. pressuring the team to resign him to this ridiculous contract so he can get his 3K hits. His situation is not going to end well but he has done it to himself.

    I understand the team has problems as all teams do but I just don’t like how Girardi deals with them. Yesterday was a key game in my opinion because the Yankees had a chance to bury the Red Sox before the season gets rolling. If the Yankees had won that game the Sox would have been 0-7 and looking at the possibility of being 0-9 by the end of the weekend. That was more important than letting Hughes pitch batting practice to see if he could get over 90 mph on the radar gun.

    • Monteroisdinero

      I agree with the first 2 paragraphs but not the third. There are no key games before April 9th! It is equally important to not burn out your staff in a Friday night 1st of 3 at Fenway. Phil deserved a second inning.

      In all the discussion of Freddy vs Bartolo for 5th starter, i think they will shortly both be starters.

      Hurry up Manny B.

    • cnight_ithaca

      Let me take this one…

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

      Key game, Come on now, it is April 9th, there are 155 games to play.

      • Jonathan

        I’ve never understood how people don’t realize that every single game matters the same. A loss in April is the same as a loss in September and visa versa. You could argue that means there are no “key” games or you could argue they’re all key. Either way, they all count the same.

        • Jonathan

          And for the thousandth time, we lost the AL East by 1 game last year. So all those games that didn’t matter in April could have won the division.

          • pete

            This is not completely true. At the end of the season, each game winds up being worth 1/162 of a season. However, when each game is played, it has the significance of one game out of however many are left, mitigated by the club’s record at that time.

            For example, if you want to win at least 96 games, since that all but guarantees you a playoff spot, then you need to go 96-66. At the beginning of the season, you need to win at a ~59.3% rate. If you go 10-0 in the first 10 games, then suddenly you only need to go 86-66 the remainder of the season, a ~56.6% rate. If you go 0-10 the first 10 games, then you need to go 96-56, a ~63.2% rate.

            If a team goes 5-5, though, then it needs to go 91-61 the rest of the way, a ~59.9% rate, or a ~0.6% change in needed winning pct. versus the beginning of the season. If the same team is 40-40 later in the season, though, then it has to go 56-26 the rest of the way, a 68.3% rate, or a full 9% increase.

            What it comes down to is this: once games have already been played, they are fixed; unchangeable. The outcome of the season rests on remainder of the season either making up for or holding up to the record at that point. With each loss, the significance of the remaining games goes up, with each win it goes down. In other words, every game counts the same in the final record, but earlier games have a lesser impact on a team’s ultimate capability than later ones.

    • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Matt Imbrogno

      He lets the guy stay out there and get his brains beaten in

      He pitched two innings. What was he supposed to do? Murder his entire bullpen?

      • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Matt Imbrogno

        Wah, awful pronoun references. Hughes pitched two innings. What was Girardi supposed to do? Murder his entire bullpen?

        /end panic attack.

  • Jonathan

    The fact that Mike admits that Logan’s entire MLB success came in a tiny stint last year but still thinks it was the right move to take out a dealing Colon doesn’t make any sense to me. Ya he needed to get the job done, but frankly he has been pathetic to start this year and has only succeeded in a small portion of his MLB career. Putting in a guy who has only looked like garbage so far and without a track record of success to make you think a turnaround is possible any day over another pitcher who was lights out and not running out of gas at all, just because of a platoon advantage, is insanity. Now, if Colon was out of gas and we had to bring someone in, I agree, Logan is the guy even if i wouldn’t have much confidence in him. But Colon wasn’t out of gas and was pitching wonderfully. At some point you have to consider more than just the numbers when making pitching changes. When you make the right move and it just blows up in your face, that’s one thing. But this was completely foreseeable given the way Logan has pitched. Was anyone more confident with Logan on the mound than Colon?

    I have NO idea what fixed Logan last year but whatever it was he better figure it out again very quickly or we’ll be on the waiver wire for another LOOGY.

  • Monteroisdinero

    2 questions:

    1) Is today’s game at 12 or 1?

    2) Anybody notice the words Phil: 4.13 on the top (white) part of Saltalamacchia’s chest protector? Scripture?

    • http://www.teamnerdrage.com dr mrs the yankee

      It’s the same passage Hughes has tattooed on his arm.

      I can do all things through Christ, who strengthens me.

    • mac1

      Yep, I noticed the verse on Salty’s chest protector and its also on Hughes’s glove:

      Philippians 4:13 (New International Version, ©2011)

      “I can do all this through him who gives me strength”.

      Mo has the same verse either on his glove or under his cap brim

  • Todd Gaak

    Hughes is done. He needs to be sent down to AAA to see if they can salvage anything out of him. It’s a shame they destroyed his arm. Right now, Colon gives us a better chance to win ballgames. It doesn’t do anybody any good to keep trotting Hughes out there every 5 days to get shelled.

    • Sweet Dick Willie

      It’s a shame they destroyed his arm.

      How did they do that?

    • Pat D

      What is that, a Dutch name?

  • http://villagers-with-torches.tumblr.com/ epaminondas

    I’ve seen enough to pull him from the rotation. He should be somewhere he can work himself into 94-95 again without a pennant race and everything else in NYC down his throat. Otherwise it’s Wang-ville. His confidence will be shredded. We NEED him and not for just this year.

    Colon looked, at a minimum, far better than Hughes is right now.
    A no brainer. What are the yanks going to do, wait until he is shredded by a KC?

    There is NO objective cause to think he will be different in 5 days. NONE. Act pre-emptively Girardi. There is a marathon ahead and he will be needed at 94 mph

    • CMP

      I’d keep rolling him out for his next 3-4 starts. If we get to may and he hasn’t turned this around, then you gotta pull him. What concerns me is that he had plenty of velocity at the start of last season and dominated early.

  • CMP

    It’s amazes me that the Yankees are so inept at developing starting pitching. Besides Pettitte 15+ years ago, what Good starting pitchers have they grown on the farm? Wang for a couple of years?

    • pete

      Wang, Joba, Hughes, Kennedy.

      All of those guys turned into above average major-league starters.

      Wang was a legit #2 (masquerading passably as a #1) in the AL East before he hurt his foot. Something either went permanently wrong in Joba’s body after his injury, which you can’t blame on his development, or something went wrong in the brains we trust, which is separate from actual pitcher development.

      Hughes pitched exceptionally well for a period of time last year, adequately for another period, and then got roughed up as he exceeded his previous innings high. He is now coming off a season in which he exceeded his previous high in innings by almost 50 innings, so it really isn’t surprising that his velocity is suffering. This could be a weeks-long problem, a months-long problem, or even a season-long problem. This is a common issue for young starters. The same thing happened, for example, to Justin Verlander. That does not mean his career is over or that the Yankees screwed up his development. It just means we may have to wait a little longer for him to fulfill his potential. He’s not even 25 yet, and he’s had a few injuries in his career; what he is going through right now is really not abnormal, nor an indictment of the Yankees’ process. At some point dedication to a player’s development has to take a back seat to dedication to the big league club. Hughes’s career may have gone more smoothly had the Yankees pitched him in the 2009 scranton rotation all year and shut him down at about 160-165 innings, but the Yanks may not have won the WS that year if they had.

      Kennedy dominated the minors, but probably needed more time there to simply hone his execution or else needed more time facing easier lineups than those in the AL East. His value to the Yankees was probably highest in the capacity of a trade to an NL club that could have immediately slid him into the back of its rotation. If he continues to develop and becomes a mid-to-front of the rotation type pitcher, the Yankees can always trade for him or sign him as an FA.

      The yankees haven’t had the greatest luck in the starting-pitcher-development department, but their process hasn’t been as bad as people have made it out to be.

      • CMP

        I mentioned Wang.
        Joba lasted all of 1 season in which he was average and is now a middle reliever so I’d hardly point to him as an example of how to develop a starter. They ruined him by jerking him around and with their “rules”.
        Hughes has had 1 good half season, was very mediocre the 2nd half and has been abominable this year so at best the jury is still out on him.
        IPK has been the best one and they never even gave him a fair chance with only 50 innings with them before he was traded.

        And this is over a more than 15 year period? Thanks for validating my point.

      • Sweet Dick Willie

        At some point dedication to a player’s development has to take a back seat to dedication to the big league club.

        Bingo.

        As the Yanks are always in a win now mode, it is oftentimes easier/more expedient to go out and buy (or trade for) what you need than it is to develop it.

        Other teams have a luxury the Yanks don’t, which is they are not expected to contend every single year, so they can take their time with player development.

        • http://yankeeanalysts.com Matt Imbrogno

          I wish people would stop saying this. The Yankees are not a “win now” team. The Yankees are a “win now AND later” team. A win now team is this years iteration of the Brewers.

          • Sweet Dick Willie

            Semantics.

            There is no difference between “always in a win now mode” and “win now AND later”.

      • Kosmo

        IPK will never resign with NY given the way they treated him.Last time I looked he was Arizona´s opening day pitcher.There is a reason for that and it has nothing to do with the DH-less NL.IPK knows how to pitch.He mixes his 89-92 MPH fastball with offspeed stuff and has shown good control.

        Joba and Hughes have yet to turn into above average MLB SP.One is in the bullpen and the other has been less than average since the middle of last year.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          Are you serious? Kennedy was their Opening Day starter because their rotation is awful, not because he’s a budding ace.

          • Pat D

            Yea, this.

          • Kosmo

            Sure Mike if you say so ! If he stinks it up this year I´ll be the first to admit I was wrong.IPK had an overall better season in 2010 than Hughes and has shown in the early going of 2011 that perhaps it´s no fluke.

          • CMP

            He’d be the Yankees number 3 starter at worst right now though.

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

              He’d be a number three in name only.

              • CMP

                Yeah and the “name” of that team is the 2011 NY Yankees.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          Also, Kennedy and Hughes were essentially the same last year:

          Kennedy: 7.8 K/9, 3.3 BB/9, 1.2 HR/9

          Hughes: 7.5 K/9, 3.0 BB/9, 1.3 HR/9

          Hughes was in the AL East and is 18 months younger.

          • Kosmo

            Hughes if I did my homework correctly was 6-5 vs. AL east in 2010.I believe 2-3 of those wins came against Baltimore.
            I mean so what.
            Hughes had been around the Yankee farm system longer than IPK.I don´t think being 18 months younger than IPK has little if nothing to do with development.Some scouts thought back in 2006 Hughes was ready for the show.

  • CMP

    Problem is the days of buying starters from the FA market are ending with nearly all teams signing their young pitchers to long term contracts. This past year, the only high quality FA starter was Lee and next year there are really none. The only way to succeed going forward is to develop your own starters. We have lots of depth and talent in AA/AAA. Let’s see if they can develop them into quality big league starters now which they have struggle mightily to do over the last 15 years.

    • Pat D

      Totally agree with you on this, and I believe that they’re dedicated to this route.

      Doesn’t mean they won’t still potentially use AA/AAA guys as trade bait, either, though. They’d just better get lucky in those trades.

  • The Big City of Dreams

    “The yankees haven’t had the greatest luck in the starting-pitcher-development department, but their process hasn’t been as bad as people have made it out to be.”

    In a way it is though. Hughes has gone completely off track, Joba is a reliever, Wang is a shell of himself, and Kennedy never got a fair chance to show what he was worth.

    • Pat D

      I wouldn’t say Hughes is completely off track yet, they definitely screwed up Joba, Wang got hurt which could happen to anyone, and Kennedy would still not be better than #4 for the Yankees.

      • The Big City of Dreams

        Maybe completely off track was too strong of a word to used. He has regressed though.

        Wang getting hurt wasn’t the issue because as you said it can happen to anyone but they were the ones that told Wang not to run during the winter..

        • Pat D

          He’s regressed at this point, sure. Obviously he needs to find his stuff pretty quickly.

          Wang might not have had a long shelf life even if he never got injured. But I’d still like to believe that his shoulder injury happened in some way due to that friggin’ baserunning injury, which was a pretty freakish thing.

          • The Big City of Dreams

            Yea the base running accident was a weird one. I still remember Yankee fans saying it wasn’t a big loss. *nods head and rolls eyes* sure losing a back to back 19 game winner on a team that had injuries to their rotation was not a big loss.

            • CMP

              That was a HUGE loss. The guy was a rock solid #2 starter for a championship caliber team and he was also a young inning eater who consistently got deep into starts.

              • The Big City of Dreams

                This X a million

  • Dr. O

    Mike, on behalf of Joe Girardi let me explain to you why he uses Boone Logan. Boone is a lefty ya see, and often times the opposing lineups feature left-handed batters. So this means that Boone despite being Boone Logan is almost guaranteed to get them out, because he’s a lefty. This also apparently means that he’s just as likely to retire righty batters as well even after failing to retire the lefty batter he was brought in to get out.

  • Brandon

    While the low velocity is concerning right now. I think he will be just fine. In fact, I would give it another few starts until he is sitting at 91-92 then maybe get to the 93-94 range like 2 or 3 starts after that. Give him another 4 or 5 starts I think he will be back to his normal velocity range.