Jul
13

NYDN: A-Rod may consider plea deal with MLB

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Via NYDN: Alex Rodriguez‘s legal team is internally discussing a plea deal with MLB regarding the Biogenesis scandal. A-Rod was interviewed by the league’s investigators on Friday, at which point they basically laid out all the evidence they have against him. MLB is believed to have broached the subject of a settlement with Ryan Braun and others as well.

“I can see a scenario where if they’ve got multiple offenses (against A-Rod) that rather than going for his career with an arbitrator, baseball might settle on something like 150 games,” said one of the NYDN’s sources. The Joint Drug Agreement doesn’t have any penalties of 150 games — 50 games (first offense), 100 games (second), and lifetime ban (third) only — so I’m not sure where that number is coming from and why anyone would plea down to that. Either way, the saga continues.

Categories : Asides, STEROIDS!
  • Anthony

    Only way this makes sense is if MLB truly has enough evidence where they can implement a lifetime ban on A-Rod. He obviously doesn’t want that so maybe MLB is satisfied with a 150 game ban. He’s out of their hair for essentially an entire season, maybe they hope A-Rod just breaks and retires…

    Either way this sucks tremendously.

    • Kiko Jones

      Agreed. But since this is the NYDN we’re talking about I’ll wait for some official news to appear before I even contemplate the repercussions of this.

    • clu heywood

      Why is this bad? Fuck Alex. He’s an admitted user and now he’s going to have to cop to it again. He fleeced the Yankees for hundreds of millions of dollars when he opted out and signed a new contract that pays him substantially more than what he’s worth as his production and health decline year after year — due, in part, to his continued use of drugs that destroy his body. He was never going to give the Yankees any sort production this year anyway. What we all saw in the playoffs last year is Alex Rodriguez, now and forever. Maybe its a tad early, but his success in A-ball to this point should be cluing you in to what he will be going forward. If there is any truth to these rumors then it will all be over soon. So long A-Rod; you cheating douchebag.

      • VT Yankee Fan

        “He fleeced the Yankees for hundreds of millions of dollars when he opted out and signed a new contract that pays him substantially more than what he’s worth”

        Further proof that there is nothing common about common sense.

        • Mac

          +1

  • Andrew

    Both New York tabloid papers have had zero actual information on any of the Biogenesis/A-Rod stuff, and the Daily News drove the bus on the insurance fraud scheme that popped up a few weeks ago. So I am taking this settlement report with about the biggest grain of salt imaginable.

    • Kiko Jones

      +1
      Like a mountain of salt, Andrew.

  • Deathstroke Heathcott

    A 150 game ban would be the worst. Would have to hope he either gets off scot free or gets the lifetime ban.

    • Laz

      Right, he can still be productive this year and next. It would be pretty awful to not get that production, but still have to worry about that long term contract down the road.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    I’d say that source is talking straight out their ass.

    If anyone bought wrestling mags as a kid, all the sources, writers, letters to the editor, etc., were all made up by the Bill Apter. Not that it’s likely at all, but it’d be pretty funny if that source didn’t exist. I have no clue why I just thought of that.

    If I plead guilty, will this all go away?

    • Pat D

      This, this, this, this, this, this, this……

    • Tom

      They mentioned 3 sources in the very first paragraph

      “…are engaging in internal discussions about brokering a plea deal with MLB to reduce A-Rod’s looming drug suspension, three sources familiar with baseball’s investigation into Anthony Bosch and the Biogenesis performance-enhancing drug scandal have told the Daily News.”

      There was only one source on the 150game speculation, but it sounds like they at least had multiple sources on the key aspect of the story (that they were considering a plea deal)

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Never said the plea deal wasn’t potentially true.

  • Nuke Guy (Knoxvillain)

    Would anyone here be happy if he got a lifetime ban? I know they can probably use his bat for another year or two, but I’m kind of torn on it. I’ll always like A-Rod and don’t care about his or anyone else’s steroid use, but part of me would like to see him banned. Not because I think he deserves it (because I’d probably do the same thing if I were him), but because I think it will help the Yankees out a lot more if he were gone.

    I’d rather he come back and produce, but everyone knows his days of .310/45/140 are long gone.

    • Anthony

      It’s going to be difficult to replace the A-Rod we’ve seen the past few seasons. Just look how difficult it’s been for the Yankees this season. Plus they really don’t have a prospect who can just take right over even years from now.

      • Nuke Guy (Knoxvillain)

        He hasn’t been healthy the past few seasons though. If he’s healthy, there isn’t a doubt in my mind that he can produce. I just can’t see him ever being healthy again. I wouldn’t be surprised if he never plays in 100 games a year ever again.

        • Ortiz is Juicin’

          Even if healthy, isn’t it possible that he HAS been roiding, and will be unproductive without PED’s. GO away ARod. Please.

          • ArchStanton

            I know it’s early, but he’s looked like garbage in his rehab games as well. There’s no telling what kind of production he’ll be able to give them right now.

            • trr

              Can’t judge definitvely from such a small sample, but anyone who thinks he can come back and produce at a high level is self -delusional…the hell of it is, he would still likely be better than what we’re running out there now

              • Mac

                I don’t know what “self-delusional” is, but that really depends what you mean when you say “a high level.” I do not think he can return to prime form, but I think there is the potential to be one of the better 3B in the league. He was consistently a 125 wRC+ guy for 2.5 seasons before he got hurt. While he’s recovering from a major surgery he’s also regained movement in his hip that he may have never had before. Certainly no way to say how the hip will recover, but could be fine. Besides being a small sample, these are also his first live PAs getting back into the swing of things after a long layoff and major surgery.

                • trr

                  The only way to know for sure is to put him back in there.
                  Hate to say it (and this is my opinion only) but I think he would produce at a level comparable to what we’re seeing from Wells, Hafner, Overbay et al

      • Nuke Guy (Knoxvillain)

        Plus if he were to get banned for life, that would free up a lot of money to keep Granderson for 3 or 4 years I’d say.

        • trr

          So you don’t think steroid use matters, and we should lavish a 4 yr contract on a declining player like Granderson, huh?

      • Mac

        I don’t think it’s that difficult to replace him with all the money it would free up. Certainly it’s not a given, but chances are that if you put that money towards one, two, three, four players you would end up replacing A-Rod and then some. And I like A-Rod just fine. It’s not an anti-A-Rod thing.

      • trr

        Years from now? Jagielo ?

    • Mac

      It’s an interesting point. If you assume there is a cap on payroll at some point (not 189 just anywhere close to where they are), then you pretty much have to say they are better off with all that money than A-Rod. Nothing against him at all. They should be able to get two very attractive FAs for his money.

      • Nuke Guy (Knoxvillain)

        I think they will be better off without A-Rod. I don’t see him staying healthy and there’s no way he’s worth that money, even if he is healthy.

        • Mac

          Yeah, I agree. I think he could stay healthy, but agree that even healthy he’s really unlikely to be worth the money. He has to be really good to be worth his money. Free agency is not what it was, but there is still plenty of talent scheduled to hit the market that they could use that money on.

          • Nuke Guy (Knoxvillain)

            I agree with you. I’m not so quick to write off Adams either. He still has no real ML experience and he could turn out to be a decent player. Then they have Musty in the minors if he ever gets a chance. They do have some prospects to land a decent third baseman if one becomes available.

            • Mac

              Yeah, I like Adams. Definitely not willing to write him off.

              They also don’t have to necessarily replace A-Rod at 3B. They could use the $ to upgrade one or two other spots and be better off as a team despite being a bit worse off at 3B.

              • trr

                Personally, I’m done with Adams. He has yet to show he can even be a borderline MLB player. Watching him play, he looks overmatched at the plate. Still can’t get past the fact that the team exposed him at the end of S/T, and 29 other teams looked at him and said no thanks

                • Mac

                  That’s good for you.

                  I doubt it’s worth a conversation given the comments I have read from you on this thread, but I’ll just make a few points. The I will probably say good day to you. Good luck with your strong, reactionary opinions.

                  He’s not a top prospect anymore, but he’s still got a chance to contribute. He did field his position well and is hardly the first guy to struggle his first taste of MLB. Especially after spending only like a month in AAA (not that AAA is necessary for MLB success, but he made two big competition jumps in a matter of weeks). Adams was actually a very nice prospect before the ankle injury. Not as fringe a talent as his age would dictate.

                  You provide no evidence that he “looked overmatched,” but I thought he had a good approach at the plate even after struggling. While he certainly struggled, his performance wasn’t that far from putting him in a UTL conversation. Obviously he doesn’t play SS, but he’s still competing with largely well below average hitters for a bench job at 3B/2B.

                  The end of spring training is strategically probably the best time to cut an injured player. Clearly other teams don’t think he’s the next Mike Schmidt, but that’s a time when basically every roster in MLB is full both of players and of hope.

                  • trr

                    Hi Mac, it’ s OK for us to disagree. I’m not as thin-skinned as some who post on here. Watching Adams at the plate he seems unable to handle certain pitches, especially breaking stuff on the outer half of the plate. Most of my opinions (and that’s what I post here, I don’t present them as unmutable facts) are based on my observation, partcipation in, and knowledge of the game over the last (gulp!) half-century. The Game has changed radically over the last years, but so have I, so I do take mild exception to you calling my views “reactionary”. That’s really off base (no pun intended). I don’t mourn for the old days, instead look ahead to what I hope is something better.
                    Be happy to talk to you again, Mac …

                    • Mac

                      Reactionary in terms of deciding a guy will never improve (being done with him) based on 128 PAs at the MLB level. The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall. Adams tore his way through the minors (with a major injury interrupting his progress), but had never seen MLB P consistently. I’m more concerned with whether he improves going forward than getting exploited in his first taste.

                      I’m not saying Adams will improve and am certainly not saying he’s going to be great. I’m just saying to have some patience and he might be a contributor down the line. Unless you have him in a keeper fantasy league, no real need to decide his future today.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Happy? Of course not. Who wants to see anyone’s career end like that?

      • clu heywood

        I do. If he deserves a lifetime ban, and his admitted use and this new scandal brings him within a scrotum hair of a lifetime ban, then so be it. He can cry himself to sleep on his pile of money and women who look oddly like trannsexuals

        • Mac

          You’re probably advocating a life-time ban for over half of MLB. It’s fine to feel that way, I’m just pointing out that this is not an A-Rod specific thing.

  • Ortiz is Juicin’

    I am sick to death of this animated piece of rectal tissue. PLEASE GO AWAY A-ROD.

  • Yankee68

    If you can prove he broke the rules and can ban him for life why drop it to 150 days? Makes no sense. He is not good for the sport or the Yankees.

    • MannyGeee

      Because if he accepts this theoretical plea, you assume the MLBPA signs off on it. Keep in mind that he has not failed A drug test yet. Not one. They can’t expect the Union to roll over for a lifetime ban on their highest paid player while not following due process (50 & 100 game suspensions first).

      And for A rod,: on the counterpoint, if he takes a deal, then all his shit doesn’t get aired out… which might be what he wants more than anything. Lord knows he’s a weird dude.

      • Yankee68

        Look right is right. If the MLBPA can not work with MLB to correct the problem using facts that would stand up in a court of law, they need to be corrected. Arod committed fraud on the Yankees and baseball. If he is aloud to skate on this what kind of example are we showing. Clearly the Yankees never should have signed his contract. Baseball as a whole needs clean this up before it ruins the game further. Enough is enough!

      • Steve

        Doesn’t ARod have to actually appeal in order for the MLBPA to be involved? What if he assumes, with the mountain of evidence that they supposedly have, that an appeal opens him up to a lifetime ban and decides to just accept the suspension?

  • fuster

    If the evidence is there, a 150 game suspension would be great for the Yankees as it would really ease the burden of getting payroll under $189M next season by knocking $15M otherwise due ARod off the books.

    • BFDeal

      How do you arrive at $15M? His contract states $25M for 2014.

      • Steve

        They still owe the luxury tax on his contract though (assuming they are still over 189), right?

        • BFDeal

          I’m still wondering that myself. I’m sure it’s been answered somewhere on RAB, but I can’t find it. I’m also curious if a player is suspended and therefore loses pay, does that loss of pay change the AAV of a contract?

          • vicki

            this is from friday’s mailbag:

            ‘Rob asks: What happens to the Yankees’ luxury tax situation if Alex Rodriguez is declared “unable to perform” and then retires? I understand that insurance would cover 80% of his remaining salary but would it still count against the luxury tax? What if he’s suspended?

            Being “unable to perform” and retiring are two different things. Being “unable to perform” means you just stay on the DL and get paid. Retiring is walking away and forfeiting the rest of your contract. If A-Rod is declared “unable to perform,” he still counts against the luxury tax even if insurance reimburses the team. If he’s suspended, then his salary does not count against the tax. Long story short, the only way Alex won’t count against the luxury tax is if he voluntarily retires or MLB suspends him. That’s it.’

            your aav question is a good one.

            • BFDeal

              Thanks. I knew I caught a glimpse of this discussion somewhere.

      • vicki

        his 2014 salary would be prorated; fuster is assuming 100 days. i think it’s fair to assume the ban would begin immediately, ie this season.

        • vicki

          though he’d be out 100 games, not 62.

          • BFDeal

            I was assuming 150 games. Fuster’s math makes sense now.

        • BFDeal

          Yeah, being split between seasons hit me as a reason for the $15M in ’14 after I asked that. I guess mentally I’ve given up on seeing him this season or something.

  • Wolfgang’s Fault

    I know, I’m a bleeding heart and a bit of a pussy (among other things), but I feel bad for him; there, I’ve said it. If the daily news story is true, A-Rod joins Lance Armstrong as the planet’s #1 poster child for steroids abuser and cheater. Man, he’s gonna carry that weight a llllonnnngggg time . . .

    • ArchStanton

      I don’t feel bad for him, because he was caught once, came clean, and he could’ve moved past it.

  • Brett

    Under the CBA it’s 50 games for a first offense. Arod hasn’t been suspended before this would be his first. It doesn’t matter how much evidence they have on him it can’t be more than 50 games. This article is nonsense.

    • Brett

      I am a Red Sox fan so I don’t like Arod but you can’t suspend a guy 150 games no matter how much they have. They will fight it all the way and win. He will never agree to lose 15+ million dollars lets be real

      • vicki

        the union will blow up the sport before they’ll let this happen.

        • VT Yankee Fan

          I think you and I may be the only ones thinking along these lines.

        • trr

          They’ll certainly try….God, I am not looking forward to seeing this thing drag out for the next 6 months

      • MannyGeee

        Also, times two if you believe the article… Braun, who by the way is still in his prime, is also mentioned as being implicated and getting a plea

  • jim p

    Since the story first broke in that little Florida paper, people have been saying “well, this is just rumor.” But here we are after MLB has spent a lot of money and effort following up, and athletes are testifying. Or actually, appearing before officials who are presenting evidence, and then the athletes remain silent.

    I’d guess this is a “smoke/fire” kind of thing. And if fire, the Daily News story has it that A-Rod’s been taking a number of banned substances for years.

    And through it all his health and productivity have declined. So, say he manages to avoid any penalties at all. What can he produce when, if he’s sane, he isn’t taking anything to help? Certainly less than we’ve seen; likely less playing time than we’ve seen.

    And the logic of the one-year ban is that he’s not playing this year, or playing much. And then he’s gone for next year. So two years of not really playing might well lead him to just quit. Or at least take the “doctors say he can’t play” route to get some of his money.

    For the Yankees, it looks like a lifelong ban would be best, as it disappears his salary. If he’s not banned, and plays without chemical help, is he really going to be better than, say, an Adams given 200 at-bats?

    But even a ban for next year, if I understand, would free up his pay against that $189M limit. (A-Rod is about 1/7 of that amount, iirc.)

    I suspect the earlier Daily News story, that A-Rod is going to go for the “can’t play” option very soon is the likely outcome. But we’ll see.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I will trust the Miami New Times ten times out of ten over the New York Daily News and, yes, i’ve read both papers regularly at one point or another in my lifetime.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Also, there is no scenario for the Yankees better than a healthy Alex Rodriguez on the field. Period.

      • I’m One

        Healthy and productive.

      • jim p

        But on the same order of likelihood, we could get a healthy and productive Babe Ruth on the field. Look where Alex’s been the last 4 seasons.

        If reports are true, and if he’s been taking boosters to get that level of health and productivity… the days of Alex Rodriguez as a legitimate major leaguer are done.

  • mustang (The Has Beens & Wannabes Bunch 2013)

    I agree that this story is sketchy, but I don’t think that even the NYDN would put it self this far out on a limb.

    I just hope whatever happens does so quickly because i’m really tired of the whole thing.

    • mustang (The Has Beens & Wannabes Bunch 2013)

      Then again no else seem to be reporting this who knows.

      • Tons ‘o Fun

        It’s just reports of what MLB wants to do. I could totally buy that. These are leaks from MLB offices so it’s going to have that viewpoint. Why wouldn’t Selig go for the gusto an overreaction to his lack of action on PEDs earlier in his tenure. He’s getting older and trying to protect/augment his legacy.

  • Dalek Jeter

    I’m so sick and tired of this Biogenesis stuff, and the “steroids” scandal in general. Back when Congress held the hearings even up until the time A-Rod admitted to using steroids, the public cared. Now we’re a decade out from Barry Bond’s peak, and almost a decade since the hearings, and I can’t help but feel like the public in general is closer to my “we no longer really give a shit” outlook than Selig’s “WE MUST HAMMER EVERYBODY WHO HAS EVER EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT USING A POTENTIALLY ILLEGAL SUBSTANCE TO THE WALL” game plan.

    • Dalek Jeter

      Also sort of sick of sports “journalists” printing any and every story that might have something to do with steroids and/or A-Rod. It’s nothing but a fucking headline grab. I mean seriously “three sources familiar with baseball’s investigation?” Unless it’s “three sources in the MLB’s investigation office” or “3 high ranking officials” it could literally be the doorman at the MLB’s office or the cab driver who brought the investigator to work that morning. “three sources familiar” is a journalistic cop-out as far as I’m concerned, whether the story is for real on it’s substance or not.

      • Tons ‘o Fun

        Yeah, I could totally see a respectable editor going for that. All journalists are liars, cheats and thieves.

        • Dalek Jeter

          I’m not saying either of those things. Bill Madden has been a journalist with the Daily News for 35 years and a columnist since the year I was born. He’s got the kind of heft were as an editor, you trust him that his sources are legit. I’m just saying if you want the public to respect them you should do a little bit better than “sources familiar.”

          • Tons ‘o Fun

            Then disregard. He’s upfront and honest that his sources are not what you want. He believes in these sources enough to go to print. A decent journo won’t go to print with “sources familiar” because they gave him a quote. He might be protecting his sources from any legal recourse too. They might be what you want but refused to be identified as so for fear of being found out.

      • trr

        I disagree Dalek ; I think people hate seeing their escapist Sports World sullied by the intrusion of troublesome real world issues. They just don’t want to deal with this crap. I can’t say I blame them; But this is a billion dollar business, not the game we loved as children

    • BFDeal

      What kills me about the fallout from PEDs is the fact every time a guy has a breakout year, fans start shouting “steroids!” As if it were that easy.

      Second, damn you for making me realize a decade had passed since Bonds’ peak years.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Plouffy, stand still.

      *pulls out hanmer*

  • mustang (The Has Beens & Wannabes Bunch 2013)

    I know its totally out there, but I have a strange feeling that A-Rod is just going to retire and walk way. Maybe its more of a Yankees fan hope…LOL

    • trr

      Yeah, that would be the perfect solution, but I just can’t see it

    • RetroRob

      What would he gain out of that? His reputation has already taken the beating, so why would he walk away from all the money owed him and a chance to play the game again? As noted, even if he suspended for the remainder of this season, and another 90-100 games next year, he still has at least $70M coming his way. There has to be some advantage for A-Rod, right now there is nothing.

  • tokyo rose

    Remember when the Miami New Times was a useless rag just printing whatever for publicity? Remember when some people crapped on every journalist associated with any information related to this? Journalists =/= Columnists.

    • RetroRob

      I don’t remember that.

      • tokyo rose

        Not my fault you have a crappy memory. Might want to double check on you’re memory before you call someone a liar.

  • Bilbo Shaggins

    This is perfect for A-Rod. He avoids the lifetime ban and assures that the Yankees will buy him out full price. He’s never going to have to play again and still get paid in his forties. Pimp move.

    Knee deep in muscular blondes for life!!!

  • Kiko Jones

    IF…a 150-game suspension would be imposed on A-Rod that would effectively end his career. We’re talking 2 almost seasons when you add what he’s missed this year plus another 150 games. At his age with his recent health issues? He’d be done.

    Maybe this is what MLB—and the Yankees, for different reasons—want: to rid themselves of the players tainted by PED use, despite the enormous hypocrisy of having benefited from it. Lest we forget how Big Mac and Sammy got folks excited about baseball again, after many swore ‘never again!’ after the ’94 strike.

    MLB, the press, teams, everybody who stood to gain from the Steroid Era, looked the other way. Now, they get to feign indignation and try to look righteous by attempting to get rid of the ones who did the dirty work and promote themselves as the saviors of baseball.

    I wish no one had ever touched a PED but the hypocrisy surrounding it is even more appalling.

    • Wolfgang’s Fault

      I’ll tell ya’, I’ve loved baseball ever since Arnold Rothstein fixed the world series in 1919. This A-Rod thing, a mere kerfuffle. My instincts tell me your brother’s got an envelope for me. Why? ‘Cause that’s the business we’ve chosen.

      Ok, enough of that. Gotta fly!

    • Manny’s BanWagon

      True, there is gross hypocrisy but at some point, you have to draw a line in the sand and enforce the rules they created.

      MLB can either continue to look the other way or make the punishments so heinous that they succeed in getting some of these PEDs out of the game.

    • trr

      Kiko: great points!

    • RetroRob

      Kiko, you’re right. The time off, if it indeed turns out to be 150 games, coupled with his age, the surgery, etc. will be hard to overcome. His next full season wouldn’t come until 2015, a season in which he’ll turn 40 mid-way through.

      Yet this won’t serve the Yankees at all. He will still be owed three full seasons of salary, plus a portion of 2014. That’s at least $70M. His skills may be shot by that point due to age, injury and all that time off, yet the Yankees will still have to pay him. That’s why I was wondering if he could play some games in the minors while suspended. It would be to his advantage and the Yankees to do it, even without pay.

  • YankeeGrunt

    The reason it would be 150 and not 50 or 100 is because it would be punished under the “just cause” provision (with no set penalties) rather than the JDA penalty scheme. If as has been alleged by some other tabloids the evidence is not just that A-Rod received PEDs from Bosch but that he tried to obstruct baseball’s investigation that might be a lot easier to prove than actual use.

  • Manny’s BanWagon

    Arod just blew off his minor league league rehab game and didn’t even show up to the stadium after meeting with MLB. To me, that says he won’t be joining the Yankees anytime soon.

    Those who think the union is gonna save these guys are gonna be pretty disappointed IMO.

    • VT Yankee Fan

      I hope any of these guys that are dirty get whatever suspensions they have coming to them. That being said the MLBPA simply cannot let Selig and Co. punish the players beyond what is laid out in the CBA. The union will fight anything beyond a 50 game suspension for first offenders.

      Look at the lengths that Melky went to obstruct MLB and nothing happened to him.

      tl/dr Anything beyond 50 games is going to cause labor issues.

    • trr

      Well, they’re gonna try, Manny, and the results ain’t gonna be pretty.
      Everyone will lose something. (Except the lawyers…)

  • David Brown

    I certainly do not know the truth about any 150 Game Plea Agreement (or even if one is under consideration). But, if so, there would be one reason and one reason only, why it is possible: MLB has evidence that Rodriguez either destroyed, and (or) planned to destroy evidence of his guilt. If he did that, he could become open to Criminal Charges like Bribery and Obstruction of Justice. Does it mean he would be indicted (let alone convicted) in Florida? No Zimmerman and Casey Anthony are proof of that. But, if he believes he will never be an effective player again (based on the small sample of Minor League Games, it is entirely possible), maybe taking the plea, not risking jail, and still getting paid most of his contract may be worth it? This could essentially be Pete Rose II, where we know he took PED’s, but the worst of what he did (like what was buried in the Dowd Report on Rose), will never see the light of day.

  • Dan

    I honestly don’t know how upset I am about this but it isn’t very much. He has serious psychological issues and on top of that is struggling to hit in A ball coming off hip surgery. Is he better than Luis Cruz and David Adams? Not necessarily.

  • Rizi Walnutz

    Something weird has been going on with this guy forever. It’s alway weird. It defines weird. It’s weird the way he talks about things. It’s weird they bench him in the playoffs. it’s weird Cashman tells him to ‘Shut the F*ck up.’ It’s weird he can make it rain so he doesn’t have to play. It’s weird I’m sitting here in my underpants typing this.

  • Bill

    F aroid- I hope the guy never plays another game

  • hilltop googler

    Internally discussing? Of course! Any legal team is obligated to discuss ALL options with their client.

  • TurdFerguson10

    Baseball anti-doping policy is a total joke. It will be a disgrace to the sport if repeat offender A-Rod is given anything less than a lifetime ban from baseball.

  • RetroRob

    Can A-Rod play in the minors during the suspension? I’m not saying the full 50, 100 or 150 game suspension, whatever it might be, but a portion of the time? He’d have to do it without pay, but it would be to his advantage to play games this year while rehabbing and then games next year prior to the end of the suspension.

    • Steve (different one)

      I believe Manny did. But on the other hand, MLB also shaved 50 games off Manny’s suspension for no reason, so who knows.

      • RetroRob

        I was thinking of Manny also, yet I believe the difference is Manny was playing on a minor league contract. A-Rod has a major league contract and is playing in the minors on a rehab assignment. Eventually, he has to be brought up to the majors. Yet if he’s suspended, I wonder if he’d be allowed to continue playing in the minors on extended rehab assignments since he can’t be activated until his suspension is complete. If a suspension does come down, it might be to the Yankees and A-Rod’s advantage if it happens while he’s on a rehab assignment. I don’t know if that’s the case. Just wondering.

  • Steve

    I know very little about the MLB CBA, but the suggestion that baseball could impose a lifetime ban here, or that ARod would be getting ready to take a “plea deal” to avoid that possibility is implausible on so many levels. First off, any investigation by MLB would not be a criminal investigation so there couldn’t be any “plea deal” here, any agreement reached would simply be a settlement agreement, and Daily News’ suggestions otherwise would lead me to think it was completely baseless, unsupported and uneducated speculation on the part of their writer. Secondly, in most labor/employee law contexts, the employer must engage in progressively disciplining the employee. That is certainly what the CBA demands here, with the first penalty being a 50-game suspension, second being a 100-game suspension, and so on. The fact is, ARod has never before been disciplined by MLB. Even if they had absolute proof of two different failed tests or the like, they couldn’t use the first one to impose a 50-game suspension on him, and then use the second one to simultaneously impose a 100-game suspension on him; that’s not the way progress discipline works. No matter how much evidence they might have against him for various instances of PED use, this would be the first time that he was disciplined for it, thus I don’t believe MLB could possibly suspend him for more than 50-games here. They might try, but I seriously doubt it would ever hold up before an arbitrator.

    • Greg C

      That “progressive discipline” stuff goes out the window though when an employee does something really bad. For example, steal from the company. Then they are fired on the spot.

      Point being, I don’t know if this progressive disciplining thing necessarily applies here, and I also don’t know what the wording is regarding the collective bargaining agreement.

      What I do know is that the MLB is going to seek the maximum penalty that they can get for A-Rod, as they should.

      Let me go on record saying that while I think this is an unlikely scenario, I hope A-Rod gets the lifetime ban.

      The Yankees will be off the hook for the money, and they can spend it elsewhere. Whoever they get will be 1/2 the price of A-rod and doubly as productive when you consider injuries and ineffectiveness.

    • YankeeGrunt

      Again, if it happens as a just cause suspension rather than a JDA suspension the length of the suspension is not predetermined. That would probably be from the league having proof that A-Rod had obstructed the investigation in a material way, like destroying documents or paying people not to talk or something of that nature.

  • Steinbrenner’s Ghost

    150 games!

    Holy Crap!

    Luckily Cashman signed Youk to fill his spot :)