Jun
30

Roberts delays inevitable with game-tying homer in ninth, Yanks fall 4-3 to Rays in 12 innings

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I have to say, I was pretty surprised by the outcome of Monday’s game. I totally thought Shawn Kelley was going to blow it when the Rays had the bases loaded with one out in the 11th inning. Instead, he escaped the jam and Jose Ramirez did the honors in the 12th inning. The Yankees lost the series opener 4-3 in excruciatingly familiar fashion.

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A Tale Of Two Bullpens
He said he feels fine after the game, but it looks to me that Dellin Betances is starting to feel the effects of his workload. He came into Monday’s game having thrown 47.1 innings in the team’s first 80 games, and his stuff has generally not looked as crisp over the last week or so. Joe Girardi called on him in the eighth inning and he walked two of four batters faced, throwing 21 pitches in the process. It was his third appearance in four days (64 pitches).

The heavy workload isn’t just limited to Betances either. Adam Warren threw 42 innings in the team’s first 80 games and recently went through a little rough stretch himself. He threw 29 pitches on Monday and loaded the bases with two outs in the seventh before escaping the jam. David Robertson, the one reliever who hasn’t been worked especially hard (because he’s married to a specific inning as the closer), allowed the go-ahead single to Ryan Hanigan in the eighth, a run that was charged to Betances.

All told, Girardi’s trusted late-game trio of Betances, Warren, and Robertson combined to put six men on base in 3.1 innings, including four via walks. Kelley, who has been shaky since coming off the disabled list, loaded the bases with one out on two singles and a hit by pitch in the 11th inning, but he escaped with two strikeouts. He threw 23 pitches. Ramirez finally allowed the game-losing run on a two-out walk, a stolen base, and a single by Logan Forsythe. Girardi’s bullpen allowed two runs and put ten men on base in 6.1 innings.

The Rays relievers, meanwhile, shut the Yankees down. Yes, Joel Peralta did allow the game-tying solo homer to Brian Roberts with one out in the bottom of the ninth — it was a total golf shot, the pitch couldn’t have been more than about nine inches off the ground — but otherwise four relievers held the Yankees to four base-runners in five innings. New York stranded a runner at third in the eighth and a runner at second in the tenth. One bullpen executed, one labored.

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Two Runs Two Times
David Phelps had a pretty representative David Phelps start — two runs on four hits (two solo homers) and three walks in 5.2 innings with four strikeouts. I feel like if you took all of his career starts, the average pitching line would look something like that. Matt Joyce (first inning) and Kevin Kiermaier (third) hit the homers. Phelps threw 101 pitches and left runners on first and second for Warren with two outs in the sixth. He pitched out of the mess.

The Yankees scored their first two runs in the third inning thanks to an Ichiro Suzuki hit-by-pitch, a Brett Gardner triple, and a Derek Jeter ground ball to second. Jacoby Ellsbury followed that with a walk and a stolen base, but that was it. He didn’t move any further. The Yankees went a combined 0-for-7 with runners in scoring position, though to be fair, Gardner lined into a tough luck double play in the seventh inning. He scorched the ball right at James Loney at first, who threw to second to double up Roberts before he could get back to the bag. What can you do?

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Leftovers
The Yankees walked eight batters for the second straight game. It’s the first time they’ve walked 8+ batters in back-t0-back games since August 2009, in that four-game series against the Red Sox with the 15th inning Alex Rodriguez walk-off homer and the Johnny Damon/Mark Teixeira back-to-back homers off Daniel Bard. You know what I’m talking about. I know you do. Good times.

On the other hand, the Yankees drew two walks and have drawn two or fewer walks in four straight and six of their last seven games. Don’t get me wrong, this offense is terrible, but the run scoring will increase as soon as they start taking some more walks. Pitchers aren’t pounding the zone aggressively, they’re swinging at stuff off the plate. Not enough discipline. Everyone’s squeezing sap out of the bat.

Ellsbury held up on Brian McCann‘s bloop single with two outs in the eighth, when it appeared Brandon Guyer had a chance to make the catch. If he puts his head down and runs hard the whole way, Ellsbury probably scores. But he had to hold up to make sure Guyer didn’t trap the ball cleanly and make a play at third base. Nothing you can really do there. Unfortunate play.

The Yankees sacrifice bunted for the fourth time in the last five games — Ichiro bunted Roberts to second in the seventh. Do you know how many runs those four bunts created? One. That’s it. Considering how much they are struggling to score runs, I’m all for swinging away. Give the offense as many opportunities as possible. This team is in no position to give away free outs.

And finally, the 2014 season is officially halfway over. The Yankees are 41-40 at the halfway point of the season and 84-78 in their last 162 games. They’ve lost seven of their last nine games overall. They stink.

Box Score, WPA Graph & Standings
For the box score and video highlights, MLB.com is the place to go. FanGraphs has some more stats and the updated standings are at ESPN. The Blue Jays had a scheduled off-day but the Orioles won, so the Yankees are 2.5 games of Toronto and one game back of Baltimore in the AL East. They’re three games back of the Mariners for the second wildcard spot with both the O’s and Royals ahead of them.


Source: FanGraphs

Up Next
Same two teams on Tuesday night, when Hiroki Kuroda and David Price square off. Might be Price’s last ever start for the Rays. That game and Wednesday’s series finale are the final two home games before the All-Star break, so head over to RAB Tickets if you want to catch either.

Categories : Game Stories
  • ivans

    4-3 but who cares anymore.

  • http://www.twitter.com/mattpat11 Matt DiBari

    Jose Ramirez does not belong in the major leagues. Its time for him to go away.

    Granted, its time for a lot of people to go away, but Ramirez’s scalp will soothe me for the time being.

    • stuart a

      over david huff??/ Ramirez is 24, at least he has potential… doubt Ramirez will figure it out but the guy has some upside.

      what is the upside of using david huff? don’t give me the lefty bs, he stinks against lefties or righties…

      • http://www.twitter.com/mattpat11 Matt DiBari

        Huff is an awful pitcher that meets a need. You have to have a long man, and he’s often terrible. So it gets to be Huff.

        Jose Ramirez is a short reliever who allows baserunners hand over fist, could walk *me*, and can’t keep the ball in the park.

        Either he has a future with the Yankees, in which case allowing him to stay up and hurt the team every time he comes in can’t help his confidence, or he has no future with the team, and allowing him to ay and hurt the team is pointless.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      Disagree completely.

      First of all, I’ve seen Mariano Rivera walk a guy who comes around to score and lose a ballgame. I know things have sucked lately, but you’re going to lose games like that when things are going well.

      Second of all, no, he does not look like a finished product. if we think we’re just going to stick any AAA hard thrower in there and have him become Dellin Betances, then our expectations our ridiculous. Frankly, I’m still kind of shocked Dellin Betances became Dellin Betances.

      There was a lot of talk about Ramirez being this shut-down guy this season. Guess what? He’s not at the point those who said that thought he was. That doesn’t make him a waste. I’ll take him over Daley and whatnot any day.

      • Kosmo

        just to add- Girardi sat Ramirez for 8 days until the night before vs. Boston and then brings him again last night. You can´t do that to a young reliever and expect him to pitch well.

        Yanks didn´t lose because of Ramirez. 1 reason they lost is Phelps couldn´t get them deep into the game. When your getting on average 5 2/3 innings from your # 2-5 SP what do you expect ?

        + the multitude of other problems this team has.

  • Gerri

    I agree! I don’t really care anymore!

  • stuart a

    without DOTF what would we have. g-d forbid they bring up some of the young guys you do not want to hurt ichiro’s or Soriano’s feelings.

    after all the likes of; McCann, beltran, ichiro, Kelly Johnson, Soriano, and others are performing as they should…

    when yankee fans are clamoring for Kelly Johnson and his sparkling #’s you know things are bad. Kelly Johnson with 5 rbi’s…

    tex our leading rbi guy is on pass for 82 rbi’s………….

  • stuart a

    meant 5 homers for the great Kelly Johnson. Kelly Johnson could not hit an offspeed to save his life….

  • WhittakerWalt

    This team can’t win their home games. Any team that does that doesn’t deserve to call themselves a contender.

    • http://www.penuel-law.com/ Cuso

      That is pandemic across the league for some reason this season.

      • https://twitter.com/KramerIndustry Dr. Martin van Nostrand

        yeah, but there are literally two teams in the Yankees own division right now who come to Yankee Stadium and easily dispatch of the Yankees with regularity. And that doesn’t count Baltimore either, and the O’s have won five of the last eight series in New York as well.

        The Blue Jays are the only thing saving the Yankees from complete home incompetence within the AL East. Even with them, in 2014, they’re only 10-10 at home inside the division, which, hilariously, is better than the 8-11 outside the division.

        • http://www.penuel-law.com/ Cuso

          I don’t deny the Yanks are terrible at home. I was highlighting that it’s an odd league-wide issue for some reason this season. A lot of teams in MLB have bad home records for some reason this year. Parity, mediocrity, whatever. On the flip side, teams are playing a tad better on the road (obviously).

          Anywho, I guess my larger point is that the inability for the Yanks to excel at home is more anomaly than symptom of their suckhood this season. They stink because they can’t hit, and they can’t cover up a shitty offense with three stretched out long relievers.

          • https://twitter.com/KramerIndustry Dr. Martin van Nostrand

            Yeah, I wasn’t so much trying to refute your point. Probably should’ve done a better job there, so my apologies for that. Predictably, 4 1/2 hours of watching that game will cause some dain bramage.

            I’ve written longer-form about MLB’s parity on other websites, and I even did a C+P on the Saturday night recap thread, too. I don’t feel like writing about it again. Besides, people around RAB know about this parity just as well as I do, so I’m not interested in preaching to the choir. All that needs to be said is that it exists, and it’s sucking the joy out of baseball. I’m amazed at how little these losses are stinging me. Even a year ago, there would’ve at least been some residual annoyance.

            • Scott

              Dr. M,
              you are right on the money about parity. Selig’s quest to even the playing field is making baseball boring and now MLB is seeing it in attendance, and definitely in the TV ratings. Soccer, once a joke in America, is now setting higher ratings than America’s pasttime (and the NBA playoffs for that matter, shocked soccr got a higher TV rating than heat-spurs for one game).

              Baseball is no longer a must see event. All major sports need to realize that having one or two great teams that every one either loves or hates is actually good for their sport. People that love the team will watch to see them beat down another team. People that hate them will watch and pray they lose.

              Having an odd team every once and while make a run is good for the game, but every year having different teams out front isn’t really helping MLB. Maybe I’m being a NYY homer and longing for their dominance, but it is happening in the NFL as well.

  • stuart a

    yanks cannot win at home because they have no power.. this is a ballpark that you have to hit some homers in….

    beltran on pace for what 20. McCann on pace for what 20… ichiro on pace for what 2? jeter will hit what 5? Ellsbury on pace for under 10 homeruns…….

    • http://offbasepercentage.com Derwood Morris

      I won’t hear this talk about Ichiro Suzuki’s lack of power. By my calculations, he’s on pace for 0 home runs.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      We knew this coming into the season. Why are we so surprised now?

  • Jarrah

    Hate these extra inning games. If we had lost in the 9 innings we would have at least saved the pen but now everyone except David Huff and Matt Thornton pitched tonight.

    With 13 straight games still to come we are really going to need to call up someone from the minors. Problem is, all we’ve got is Matt Daley and Shane Greene on the 40-man with a bunch of starters who can go in the pen like Byran Mitchell and Manny Banuelos.

    Forget the rotation for the minute, get us some more bullpen depth Cashman. This is even when we’ve got Jose Ramirez and David Huff in the majors – neither of whom should really be there if you ask me.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      That’s what bullpen depth looks like most seasons halfway through the year. It’s why David Huff hasn’t gone and sold insurance instead. Someone will have a spot for him pretty much every year. Why does this need to be explained a few times a week?

      There’s plenty of room to make moves, if needed. Huff, Greene, or Daley could be easily DFA’d for someone better. They’ve also got a guy like Burawa down there, and there could be some waiver wire potential.

      They haven’t been able to make the back half of the bullpen stick, and now we’re seeing them having to go to Kelley, who obviously still looks like he’s working things out, and Warren, who often looks like he’s already overused this season, earlier in the game. That’s not good. I’d love to see some stabilization in that back half of the pen.

  • TWTR

    Is Refsynder up yet?

    • stuart a

      no that is not the yankee way. they wait for ever to give young guys a chance after all they think once you call a guy up if he needs to go down that is not allowed.

      play refsnyder in right for now.rf is an easy field at yankee stadium, he was an outfielder in college and ichiro and Soriano in right combined have been horrible…

      • TWTR

        I get the sarcasm, but it was the Yankee way when they were laying the foundation for the run that rewrote George’s legacy. It could benefit Hal’s as well

        No, I would play him at 2B. Apart from his “heroics” tonight, Roberts is hitting: .236 .311 .354.

        He shouldn’t be blocking anyone or anything.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          I was told Papa George did everything perfectly on here. Is that not true?

    • Promandel

      No Roberts hit a HR so naturally Girardi has to give hime 200 more AB’s

      • TWTR

        His OPS is higher than McCann’s (.665 vs. .642). So maybe I am looking to replace the wrong guy???

        • rogue

          McCann will get better. Roberts won’t.

          • TWTR

            It was sarcasm.

          • Wolfgang’s Fault

            & you know this how? Roberts has hit in some bad luck the last few weeks. If Roberts remains in the lineup, he’ll be fine. He’s not the problem here, but for a lot of fans such as yourself, he’s a convenient scapegoat. The middle of the order, Beltran, Tex, McCann, & Soriano have been mostly disappointing & unproductive. Both Gardner & Ellsbury are the same type players, more or less, w/little power, and throw in the lack of power & production from the left-side of the infield, particularly since Solarte cooled off, & this team is what it is.

            I think Roberts actually WILL get better (if they continue to play him) as he hasn’t really had a hot streak yet. A good part of his first half has been about shaking the rust off from 4 mostly injury riddled years, and getting comfortable playing somewhere other than Baltimore. If he stays healthy & remains in the lineup, I think there’s a lot of quality ball still remaining from Mr. Roberts. The things Roberts does well are kind of wasted hitting at the present end of the order & surrounded by not much. He was a very good leadoff guy for the Orioles for years, & I think he’d make a real good two-hole hitter because he takes a lot of pitches, knows how to work a count, & is capable of hit & running. Jeter’s not moving, so much of what Roberts could give you is lost in the lineup Girardi presently employs.

            This club needs to find some reliable middle of the order hitters if they’re going to make a legit run & compete for a playoff spot. If they had a legit guy to hit third, they could move Ellsbury back to the leadoff spot where he belongs, & either move Gardner to the 8 spot w/Roberts 9th so Roberts could give Gardner the chance to steal some bases or hit & run w/him on base before Ellsbury restarts the lineup, or deal Gardner for a righthand hitting left or right fielder, Bring up Refsnyder to play the other corner outfield spot, & give it a whirl. Dealing Gardner is probably not going to happen, let alone happen mid-season, but with the struggles of the middle of the order & supporting players like Ellsbury, Gardner, Ichiro, Roberts, Solarte being similar type players, they could really use a third baseman & corner outfielder(s) that provide them w/some additional pop.

            • Jorge Steinbrenner

              I think it’s a pretty obvious statement that Brian McCann will have better days in pinstripes than Brian Roberts will. Length of relative contract pretty much guarantees that.

              Unless you think McCann’s on a permanenet downward spiral, which is unlikely, you’ll see better days from him before it’s all said and done. You won’t even see Roberts in 2015.

              • Wolfgang’s Fault

                McCann is definitely one of the questions; right? Is he now what we’re presently seeing, or is he still capable of being what he was? I’m leaning towards this is who he now is w/maybe a slight uptick, but not much more. I’f he has a better/good 2nd half, you then have to decide whether that’s the truer picture or his first half is. Personally, I think he’s kind of cooked, & it wouldn’t take much to convince me to go w/ any two of Murphy, Romine, Sanchez, Cervelli or an acquired catcher over the winter heading into next spring. If McCann has a better but not great 2nd half, I’d look to move him over the winter if at all possible.

                Roberts may very well NOT be on the team come ’15, but I wouldn’t pull the plug on him too quickly now. He’s holding his own, playing & hitting better, is a very tough out, and I think he’s capable of getting hot and being a huge plus in the 2nd half. Most are on the dump Roberts or bring up Refsnyder bandwagon, but the two don’t have to be connected. You can keep Roberts at 2B, find a r/h hitter to platoon w/Johnson (or Solarte) at 3B, & maybe bring up Refsnyder to play one of the corner outfield spots (he was a LF in college), AND STILL plan on having Refsnyder as your starting 2B in 2015. Roberts still has a lot of quality baseball left in him, so I expect him to be somewhere next year, whether as a Yankee or otherwise.

  • Darren

    Oh well, luckily they play tomorrow. Take 2 out 3 and we’re right back on track,

  • stuart a

    Yankees RISP: 0-7 (D Jeter 0-1, C Beltran 0-1, M Teixeira 0-1, B Gardner 0-1, K Johnson 0-1, B McCann 0-2)
    Team LOB: 8

    team is hitting under 230 with RISp…

    McCann has been horrible offensively. very good defender but really hanigan has better #’s then him offensively….

  • http://www.penuel-law.com/ Cuso

    This lineup isn’t deep enough to win many games. And the guys that are hitting are not sluggers, Tex excluded I suppose. Sure, Roberts, Gardner and Ellsbury can potentially put one out. But it’s blind luck when they do. The everyday “thunder” of Tex, McCann and Beltran is just not good enough. Not much thunder to bring up from AAA, either. Maybe they should bring up O’Brien out of desperation and have him DH. Bring up Zoilo and give him Soriano’s ABs. Not much hope there. But punch-and-Judy hitters aren’t cutting it.

    • Slap-Ass

      O’Brien is shitty.

      • http://www.penuel-law.com/ Cuso

        I know. I said desperate. I had to go all the way to AA to find a bopper. Unless we’re calling Zoilo a power source, which I’m hesitant to claim.

  • stuart a

    refsnyder I assume has some power, when you compare it to ichiro that would be a improvement..

    sure they do not have any big boppers ready for the show but guys like refsnyder could get doubles on occasion.

    ichiro and jeter never get extra base hits. look at there cumulative #’s they are head shaking. you need to hit a double on occasion.

    • nycsportzfan

      I’d play Refs all over. Sneak em in LF at times, 2nd base, 3rd base, DH, PH..etc Whatever you gotta do to get em in a game.

      • Wolfgang’s Fault

        You can’t do that to him. If you bring him up, you’ve gotta play him as an outfielder OR an infielder, but not both. He’ll have a hard enough time learning the pitchers he’ll be up against, & getting used to playing in the big leagues. Don’t screw around w/a prospect like this by bringing him up & giving him in role which most veterans aren’t capable of doing well.

        I’d consider playing him in either right or left field this year (depending on what if any other moves are or aren’t made) & bringing him back to play 2B in 2015, but I wouldn’t ask him to do both in the big leagues in the Bronx & in a playoff race. That almost guaranteed to screw him up.

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        Pitch, write a guest colunmn for RAB, give stuart a pedicure. Rob Refsnyder for everything.

  • Slap-Ass

    This team fucking sucks. Blow this shit up (wishful thinking).

    • Craig Sagermetrics

      Your sister sucks at fucking. I still “blew up” all over her, if only she’d shave that bush (wishful thinking).

      • Scott

        gotta say that was over the top, but I laughed pretty hard.

  • Seth

    I think it’s fair to assume that Jose Ramirez is getting sent down tomorrow and they’ll call up a fresh arm…probably Matt Daley.

  • nycsportzfan

    Shitty loss, but we were in it, and again came back late. We just need to get CC back, make a trade, and see what some of our baby bombers can do, and I bet were in the postseason. I think were gonna make it anyways but Refs,CC,ROller,Hammel,Pirela..etc(example), will put us over the hump.

    • TWTR

      What do you propose giving up for Hammel, a pitcher whose career ERA+ is 95, and has had only three seasons when his ERA+ was over 100 in 9 seasons? Given that this is his best season (and probably an outlier), at age 31, it would probably be a ridiculous overpay. Not that I doubt that Cashman would do it though.

      • http://www.penuel-law.com/ Cuso

        I really have doubts about Hammel. Didn’t he do this back in Baltimore in 2012? Was awesome for the first 2.5 months then fell apart? Maybe in wrong, but I remember that for some reason.

        And if they have to give up two pieces to get him, that would be a swift kick to the nuts.

        • TWTR

          Davidoff proposed JR Murphy. That is f’ing nuts.

          • Kosmo

            Murphy is a good prospect, nothing special. It doesn´t necessarily have to be a straight 1 for 1 deal. If Murphy + 1 mid level prospect can bring back Hammel and Valbuena I´d say go for it.

      • nycsportzfan

        I don’t care about what Hammel did, I care about what hes doing. Hes pitching very well this yr. I don’t think it’ll be a overpay at all. O’Brien, Warren, Lail or something. We got tons of catching depth and better overall power hitters then O’Brien, and we got Lindgren being fast tracked as a reliever and guys like Jaron Long and Miguel Sulbaran who can take Lail’s place as fringy starter with potential for more.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          I wouldn’t include Warren in a trade for Hammel in a million years.

          I’d wait and see if any GM’s actually double as DOTF commenters and see what I can get from them for FHOF Pete O’Brien.

    • Slap-Ass

      I’ll have what you’re smoking.

      • nycsportzfan

        You coulden’t handle the trees I smoke 1st off. 2nd off, what is so hard to understand? Hammel isn’t pitching like old Hammel. Hes having one of those years. He’ll certainly help the back end of the rotation for 2014. Tanaka, Hammel, Kuroda, CC, and Phelps/Whitley isn’t a bad stating 5.

    • Scott

      Roller stinks. He is not helping the Yanks this season.

  • TheRealGreg

    Mike Axisa ?@mikeaxisa 59m
    IMO, best thing that could happen to NYY now is either win like, 10 straight or lose 10 straight. Need some clarity before trade deadline.

    Right on

  • JGYank

    A 41-40 first half is pretty disappointing after this offseason. To get to 90 wins, they need to go 49-32 (.604) in the second half. Hard to see this team pull that record off even with upgrades. Fortunately they may not have to get to 90 and are only a few games back. Who would have thought the al east would be our saving grace this year? Still seems likely that they finish in the low to mid 80s in wins.

    They battled tonight but it wasn’t enough. The pen is good but not deep and for some reason the pitching has been walking guys left and right lately. Usually limiting walks is a strength so they really need to get back to that. Need to do well against the east from now on to help decrease the amount of wins needed to win the division.

  • Winter

    To everyone saying the Yankees should call up Refsnyder: Look at teams like the Cardinals and Rays who have a lot of success with their prospects. They call them up much later than the Yankees do. When it comes to prospects, patience is key. Rushing them only hurts their development. It’s fine to want to see change, but if you’re yelling for the Yankees to call up prospects, don’t turn around and complain about how bad the Yankees’ player development is.

    • rogue

      Wacha was 21 when the Cards called him up.

      • http://www.penuel-law.com/ Cuso

        Yeah, Wacha was fast-tracked for sure. They fast track most of their college guys, in fact.

      • Winter

        Sure, the very best prospects can be fast-tracked, but that’s the exception, not the rule.

    • rogue

      Wong was 22 last season in St Louis.

      The rest of the Cards are either FAs or came via trade.

    • TWTR

      That is really a skewed point of view because you aren’t distinguishing between players who were drafted after high school, like say Desmond Jennings, who first came up at 23, and Refsnyder, who is also 23, but played major college ball.

      As far as the point about “complaining” (it is really pointing out objective reality), that’s absurd. When a team hasn’t developed an everyday position player since Gardner, or a starting pitcher since Pettitte, although some want to say Wang, so I will go with that, there is ample reason to point out the reality of their bad record of development (beyond bullpen arms).

      • JGYank

        On the pitching side, they did develop Hughes and Kennedy (not great but they still count) and multiple bullpen pieces, some of those being very useful. Also Ajax went straight from our system to Detroit if I recall correctly. Small victories but still something.

      • JGYank

        Also nova

    • rogue

      Oh and Shelby Miller was 22 last season. :)

    • http://www.penuel-law.com/ Cuso

      That said, I’m not big on rushing Ref up this year anyways. I would like to see him get the shot to win the starting 2B job in Spring Training, though.

      That said, it’s time to give Zoilo another shot. Probably time to get Scotty Sizzle back up here. Not sure about Overzelous Wheels, but need some different bats in the lineup. Can’t wait on Soriano and Ichiro to be answers. I’m hesitant to dump Roberts because I think his ability to field (not arm so much) and to work counts is still worthwhile in the 8 or 9 spot.

      The problem is Roberts is NOT valuable when there eight other Brian Roberts in the lineup. Need more diversity.

      • http://www.penuel-law.com/ Cuso

        Did I really just “that said” twice?

        I’m f*cking ignorant

        • Not an ace

          Don’t let it happen again

      • Wolfgang’s Fault

        It was a good comment though. The middle of the order isn’t getting it done & the top & bottom of the order are, as you say, similar types, lacking in skill diversity. No one’s sure about any prospect/suspect. I’d be fine w/Wheeler getting a shot to share 3B w/either Solarte or Johnson, & finding someone to play or platoon in RF. If they designated Soriano & brought up Sizemore or Pirella to platoon in RF w/Almonte, that might do the trick. Maybe they just bring up Refsnyder & play him everyday in RF or LF (Refsnyder played LF in college & moving Gardner to RF) & see how that plays (they can return Refsnyder to 2B come ST 2015). They need more production out of the middle of the order. 3B and RF are the logical places to look to find it. I think they’ve got possible solutions for these spots in their own system right now & without having to deal valuable prospects. They need to keep their powder dry & their prospects around so when they evaluate their future post Jeter era ball club, they have lots of prospect talent around w/which to work.

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        I’d keep Roberts over Solarte at this point. Frankly, I don’t know why people clamor to see more of Johnson as well.

        Yeah, shuffling the chairs a bit could work. With some of these parts, what is there to lose? Sizemore and Zoilo all the way.

        • Long-Past-His-Day-Rod

          Hey, look! A fellow RAB’er who isn’t infatuated with Kelly Johnson!

          I agree with your post. Like I’ve said before, I’m totally fine w/ KJ getting more playing time especially now that Solarte is struggling, but he’s no silver bullet. At some point they gotta introduce some new bats into the shuffle.

  • nycsportzfan

    Still right in this thing.

    Peter O’Brien, Adam Warren, and Brady Lail for Jason Hammel right now.. Boom, we got Hammel with CC on the way. That is a quick fix without touching Refs, Judge, Severino, or any of the top guys.

    Maybe make another trade for a right handed bat with pop. Trevor Plouffe comes to mind. Plouffe and KJ as a 3rd base platoon, and you can use plouffe occasionally in the OF or at DH. Just a idea.

    • JGYank

      Only because of the division. We will have a hard time getting to 85 wins if this keeps up. If we were in the al west our chances would be even worse.

    • CMed21

      No way in hell should the Yankees trade Warren for a 4th/5th starter who isn’t under contract after this season, might as well stretch Warren out and put him in the rotation. Cubs pitchers seem to have an act of looking like aces in the first half and look terrible after being traded (Dempster 2012, Garza 2013).

      • FIPster Doofus

        Trading Warren for Hammel is a definite no-no. I doubt O’Brien turns into anything, so whatever when it comes to him.

        • Wolfgang’s Fault

          Way too soon to deal O’Brien, and spot on regarding Warren. You only deal or include either/or or both if you get an offer(s) you can’t refuse.

    • Kosmo

      Plouffe no no no. KJ and Plouffe . Just shoot me, please. UGH.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      Doubling down on the Warren shit, eh?

  • CMed21

    So with Rosenthal tweeting that the Yankees are interested in Chase Headley, what do you think would take to get him? Yes he’s having a bad year and he’s dealing with a herniated disc but I wouldn’t be opposed to see them give up some low grade prospect package like Greene, Flores, Cave, Montgomery, etc. Obviously not all those players in the same package, but something with maybe 2-3 of those guys since its unlikely they’ll contribute to the Yankees.

  • FIPster Doofus

    No worries – Chase Headley, he of the .201/.289/.322 triple slash, might be coming to save the day.

    http://friarsonbase.com/2014/0.....e-headley/

    (Snarkiness aside, I’ve always liked Headley. Maybe getting out of Petco would revitalize him.)

    • CMed21

      At least it’s more likely he will improve unlike Johnson, Roberts, and Solarte who all shouldn’t even be starters.

      • FIPster Doofus

        Absolutely. This season has been a nightmare for Headley, but he does have a track record of hitting very well away from Petco (.286/.361/.444). I’d be fine with gambling on that track record if the asking price is reasonable. Obviously, with the season he’s having and his lack of team control going forward, Headley shouldn’t garner any big pieces in a trade. Too bad for the Padres that they didn’t sell him after his MVP-caliber season in 2012.

        • OldYanksFan

          Except his Away numbers last year, 2013, were worse than his Home numbers. This year, his Away numbers are worse than his Home numbers.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          Seriously.

          As for acquiring him, I mean, I wouldn’t give up more than a fringe guy at this point. I’d wait and try to get him on the pillow deal in the offseason unless the Padres were selling very low.

    • yankeepankee

      Folks,
      I see that Ian Kennedy is also being shopped by the Padres. How about trying to get both in a package?

      • FIPster Doofus

        It’s worth looking into, but I doubt it happens. Hard to imagine Cashman bringing Kennedy back after how horribly his first stint as a Yankee went. The Javy Vazquez comparisons would be endless.

        • CMed21

          The thing is that Kennedy wasn’t healthy or even given the chance to improve like let’s say Hughes and Joba. I wouldn’t mind adding him if he’s cheap, he’s better than anyone currently in the rotation not named Tanaka and possibly Kuroda.

          • FIPster Doofus

            Agreed. I just doubt the Yankees bring him back.

            • Kosmo

              if the Yanks want to pursue a Padres SP I´d rather it be Tyson Ross.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          Then again, being perceived persona non grata clearly has carried more weight with fans than with the front office. You correctly stated Javy 2.0 (and, hell, more than a few fans were behind that one), and I do lend credence to the rumors that even a Pavano reunion was considered. If they felt IPK could help, past history wouldn’t stop them from doing so.

          I’m sure he’s an upgrade over Nuno and Whitley, so I’d potentially be game dependent on the price, but I’d be more willing to give IPK the benefit of the doubt than I was with the previous two. There’s something to be said for being young and stupid.

    • fat jeter

      Snark is needed. The “sign the struggling veteran and hope the change of scenery helps” strategy is my least favorite ace up Cashman’s sleeve. We need a new plan — or an actual plan

    • Long-Past-His-Day-Rod

      Ugh, please no. Well, unless the Padres are willing to trade him for a couple low-ceiling prospects.

      Too many red flags with this guy IMO. Not worth giving up anything of value when they could likely get him for just money in the offseason.

  • http://offbasepercentage.com Derwood Morris

    After having to watch that pile of Chris Stewart armswings tonight, I needed the mention of that ’09 series against Boston. Alex walk-off, back-to-back off Bard, the portly southpaw formerly known as CC shutting them down in game 3, pretty much ending the career of John Smoltz in the opener. Great times.

    • BigBlueAL

      My favorite regular season series ever vs Boston is still the 5-game sweep at Fenway in August of 2006. But yeah the 4-game sweep at home in 2009 is right up there too.

      • Kosmo

        the 2006 sweep was amazing. The 1978 4 game sweep at Fenway in early September will always be my favorite, NY outscored Boston 42-9.

        • Larrym Fl

          The Boston Massacre was greatest sweep of a team that I ever watched. The hits just kept on coming. Now we watch ineptitude without any hesitation.

          Its obvious the Yankees are in a position of tracking downward in the standings the last two years. The master plan from the FO is to place a band aid on the team roster to give the appearance of contention for the playoffs. But injuries have curtailed and exposed the master plan. 2013,2014 have put the FO in a pickle. Their is no fix for a plan of this nature. You could tear the plan up and play the young guys such as Rysnyder, Murphy and Almonte which is lacking because their are only three from AAA to bring up with no starters. Its a mess when the master plan is built around a WS win or its a bad year. youare setup for contract decisions which just bad. We are years away from a real contention for the WS trophy.

      • JLC 776

        Holy crap that weekend was fun (2006)!

        For the 2009 sweep, of all the great moments the one that still stands out is Melky and Cano dancing in the dugout after that late-game go-ahead HR (by Damon?).

  • trollhunter

    This team is unwatchable

  • Jorge Steinbrenner

    Dear Mike,

    84-78 may not win you a championship but, under any objective measure, it certainly does not “stink.”

    Love ya,
    R-Tils

    • Derek Jeter

      84-78 can’t even beat the worst team in the league,… So yes it does stink!

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        What does your won/loss record have to do with who you beat? I literally have no idea what you speak of.

        Oh, you mean they lost to the Rays last night.

        Maybe you should watch a bit of baseball and sit a few days of commenting out. Come back when you know something.

    • ChrisS

      not stinking with a $200 million dollar payroll is a low hurdle to clear.

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        You didn’t think this was possible after the off-season, or did you just assume that giving those four guys money was going to fix everything?

        They gave money to four FA’s (not counting Kuroda, and I’m not sure why we always leave him out, but I will again) this offseason. One has excelled. One has, I guess, been in the “as expected to slightly underpeformed (despite it probably not being possible to ever earn what he’s getitng paid)” range. One has underperformed. One has flopped.

        The strategy wasn’t exactly sound. They had money to spend, and they decided the majority of the top guys out there regardless of fit. Since there were so many holes to fill, there were places to put guys, but it still wasn’t perfect. There were no solutions to the infield, and having Ells and Gardner in the same outfield had both its advantages and disadvantages. We knew all of this.

        What we didn’t know was how 3/5 of the pitching staff would disappear in the poof of air and how steep and quick the decline would be for Soriano and Beltran. Even the most negative of Nancies would have expected a bit more out of them.

        It wasn’t perfect, though, and anyone who thought that this $200 million payroll was a finished product before the games even began should have “Pollyanna” group-tattooed on their entire ass in pink.

        I’m disappointed that, halfway through the season, the results don’t look much better than last season. I did expect, at least, that much.

        • ChrisS

          No I thought this team was going to be pretty much mediocre and throwing a ton of money at post-peak players wasn’t going to solve any of the underlying problems. But what it did was make them not-horrible. So like I said, a $200m payroll changes the baseline expectations. No one in that Yankees front office should be patting themselves on the back for constructing a .500 team nor should fans be happy with the team being merely not horrible.

          Pitching? They lost a 4th starter in Nova. Pineda was coming back from significant surgery and hadn’t thrown a major league pitch in 3 years. There’s no reason to expect much if anything from him. And if CC wasn’t on the hook for so much money and wasn’t the brand name CC Sabathia, he would have been sent packing during the offseason. He was awful.

          And frankly the team doesn’t underachieve because of pitching. It’s the godawful lineup. Building a team of free agents is a treadmill to nowhere.

          • Jorge Steinbrenner

            It’s a treadmill your favorite team has been on since the late 1970′s outside of developing the Core Four.

            So you knew it wasn’t perfect. Why are you surprised now? Who would you have signed instead?

            • ChrisS

              outside of developing the Core Four
              Huh. Funny that.

              Why are you surprised now?
              I’m not surprised. What part of “No I thought this team was going to be pretty much mediocre and throwing a ton of money at post-peak players wasn’t going to solve any of the underlying problems” suggests surprise at the mediocrity of this season?

              Who would you have signed instead?
              No wants to hear it, because it’s not the Yankee Way(TM) Punt 2014 and 2015. Aim for a 2017 championship team. Firesaled last season and traded Cano, Kuroda, Gardner, and Robertson for young(er) talent. Be skimpy with years and a 1 or 2 select free agents. Sign all of the true IFAs, which only cost money and not money + draft pick (yet).

              The Yankees still have a sizeable cash advantage, but they’re not being smart about using it. They’re on a sinking boat and bailing water just as fast as they they’re adding more weight. Rebuilding is painful, but they have to do it.

  • Derek Jeter

    Time to jump ship! Save the prospects and do not overpay at the trade deadline!

  • OldYanksFan

    “Rays ace David Price, who once again has been the subject of trade rumors, has made it clear that he expects to stay if Tampa Bay can climb back into playoff contention.”

    The Rays are 10 games out of the WC, and behind TEN teams.
    Do they have any chance of making the playoffs?

    Sounds like BS to me.

    • Kosmo

      still have 1 month to the trade deadline. Rays are probably a longshot.

  • Long-Past-His-Day-Rod

    Glad I decided to go to bed after the 11th. I hate giving up watching games I’ve already invested that much time into watching, but I also like getting to work on time and rested enough to be productive (or browse RAB all day :-P)

    Not that I’m saying anything that hasn’t been said before, but my own personal meaningless eye test says they need a bat(s) much more than pitching right now. Yeah, some of the pitching is suspect too, but even a staff full of aces isn’t going to win all these games with 1-3 runs of support

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      Now, now, we can both browse RAB all day AND be productive. :)

  • fred robbins

    Roberts did to the Jays last night what he used to do to the Yankees when he was on Baltimore. He used to kill the Yankees, now it’s Markakis and the big first baseman.

    I would rather see Soriano go before Roberts regardless of who is added.
    Watching McCann’s at bat near the end of the game with men on 1st and second and the whole left side open– Jeter was on 2nd, so not sure thing to score, but I sure wanted to see McCann just use his bat for something other than a fan and push the ball into left field..both guys might have scored.

  • mike

    solarte has a possible upside,johnson has none

  • mike

    he better the Yankees pitch,the worse they hit

  • Eric Scheinkopf

    I like watching Derek in his last season but I hear you.