John Manuel of Baseball America notes that the talk of the Tigers selecting Gerrit Cole has stopped. And exhale…
Oh happy day!
Still better keep the fingers crossed….for safety
Now if Brett Lawrie and Gerrit Cole fell to the Yanks, how would you take?
Cole, easily. He’s been a first round guy all year. Lawrie is just climbing boards now. Besides, who knows where the kid will end up playing.
Cole? Doesn’t he have tons of character issues? Is that something that gets thrown out the window during first round drafts?
None of that stuff came out until people found out he signed with Boras. I’m not very concerned.
I didn’t know that. Thanks.
What about David Cooper? He’s got a solid bat , can possibly fly through the system quickly.
Pass. Where’s the upside? You’re basically drafting Matt Stairs, best case scenario.
You really think his ceiling is that low. Alright pass.
Stairs hasn’t exactly had a bad career here. 250 homers. OPS of 850
yeah, but imagine how good Matt Stairs would have been if he wasnt Canadian…
Wow. Someone just jinxed us with the Stairs comment.
You know, part of me was sitting here, thinking, “Matt Stairs is probably going to kill us today just for badmouthing his career numbers…”
I gotta do watch My Name Is Earl.
What 18 yr doesn’t have character issues??
Didn’t Josh Hamilton come out with the “best makeup ever” for a HS kid and end up in a decade of coke and booze?
I’ll take the reports about Cole’s character with a grain of salt and blame it on the Boras thing.
Too bad he’s not lefty.
I left school early to watch this, and just got home…. any word on who’s going first, or has it not been decided/leaked yet?
Law says Beckham. Not the soccer player.
Yeah, been confirmed that the Rays are taking Tim Beckham.
nevermind, I just read that apparently it looks like they decided on beckham
Just one year I want Dombrowksi’s Tigers picking after the Yankees. Just one year. Let them explode for a 110 win-season and get knocked out of the first round, I don’t care.
If they get Posey, well, I won’t punch a wall, but I’ll be mighty unhappy.
Although I will say that since the chances are good Cole falls to the Yankees, it won’t be a terrible, all-hands-down-with-the-ship scenario. Just another “what might have been?” scenario…
Frankie P from saber scouting is reporting that the yankees are “all over” Mike Montgomerey. He’s also reporting that Detroit will take Buster Posey at 21. Posey’s trying to fall.
Mike Montgomery? That would be a need pick if a guy like cole were still on the board.
Porcello is the what might have been. Because barring injury he is a sure thing.
Does the Posey contract demand ($12M) have any truth?
I just asked Frankie P what he thinks the Yankees do if Melville, Cole, or Holt are still available (which just might happen). We’ll see.
Maybe the Yankees think that one of the three fall all the way to 44?
Posey goes from the probable 1 to 20 in a day??
No sport quite like baseball. I love the free market system. NBA and NFL players must watch this and cringe.
I disagree Bo.
For the players? Its the best system in pro sports. Not great for teams or the slotting system but I’m a free market kinda guy. I think if Porcello thinks hes worth 7 mill he shoiuld let teams know and they can make an informed decision on him.
We have seen plenty of busts from the big money signings. Nothing foolproof in the MLB draft.
Well to me persoanlly I don’t like it. Can you imagine Kevin Durant being drafted by the knicks because the sonics couldn’t afford him or Mario Williams going to dallas because the texans couldn’t afford to draft him.
Persoanlly, the system is flawed but that’s how it is.
No one is stopping the team from paying for these guys. If the Royals can’t afford a big bonus, maybe they shouldn’t pay Gil Meche $11M per.
I don’t know how accurate that statement truly is, though… Yes, nobody is stopping David Glass from paying $10-$15M in bonus money to a top 5 draft pick every year, but if you’re the Royals and you had to shut down the Royals Sports Television Network because you’re in a shitty media market, it’s not the same as the Yankees owning YES that churns out money like it’s going out of style. Having a mammoth financial cushion allows you to spend more on the draft, which is a MUCH bigger crapshoot than the free agent market.
Full salary-cap like parity is probably bas (and unworkable) for baseball, but fixing the entry draft so that the worst teams get the best talent, and so that good players can’t force cash-strapped teams (and there are some, even with revenue sharing) to bypass them, is a just and fair thing. I like Keith Law’s idea of letting teams trade picks, and I think that within 10 years, all leagues (NFL, MLB) will copy the NBA’s rigid entry pay scale.
I thought the draft started at 2…When do they begin picking? Nothing coming up on draft tracker so I assume nobody has picked yet…
It does. They had 15 minutes of bells & whistles for ESPN. Rays are currently on the clock.
I have to say, just based on sheer unpredictability, this is going to be a fun and wild ride. I still just can’t believe there’s not going to be a single team before the Tigers who calls Posey’s $12 million bluff…
If it doesn’t happen with SF at 5 he could legitimately fall a while. I think that’s why he’s trying to plummet.
TB passes on posey. Pitt is not taking him – they’re on Albarez. Royals are on Hosmer. Orioles took Wieters last year. Marlins – no way they’re paying him. The reds – took a catcher #1 last year. So at best Posey winds up at #8.
I agree that its really hard to believe that he could wind up falling to the 20′s.
I mean honestly – how could the mets possibly let him slip by them at #18? They desperately need a catcher and were considering Castro. Imagine going in looking at castro and you have the chance at posey and you pass on posey? How do you do that if you’re Omar.
So, which thread we using to follow the draft?
Use this one. I’m going to post each of the Yanks’ picks.
That was to be expected. Damn, the Rays are going to be good for quite some time if they can pony up the money to pay these guys.
Well that’s exactly what I mean, CB. If Posey makes it past the Mets (provided he falls that far), there’s something seriously wrong with that franchise…
Didn’t we already know that there’s something seriously wrong with the mets? I mean hell, they ARE the mets.
The Mets are digging their own grave by not going above slot.
And I was under the impression that they were going to go above slot this year, with three of the top 50 picks (if I recall correctly)? Granted, we won’t know until #18, but…
…a team with that financial muscle, not going above-slot? They need to replenish that farm system almost as badly as Detroit does (speaking of contending teams who dealt the top away this past offseason).
Alvarez. Now let’s hope that the Royals don’t take Hosmer.
Well they picked Hochevar and moustakas last year whowere boras clients.
regardless of who they take, Hosmer’s not falling THAT far
As much as I’d love to have Hosmer fall into our laps, I can’t see it happening. There’s too many teams in front of us that are willing to pay above slot (Tigers, Mets I’m looking at you).
Here’s an interesting scenario: assume Posey and Hosmer fall to the Tigers (not going to happen, but let’s imagine). Who do they pick?
I’m not letting this Buster Posey thing out of my head, these high bonus demands are a bitch.
Maybe… just maybe… if Hosmer AND Posey fall, the Tigers will take one and the other will be available at 28. Chance of this happening: 2%
There he goes.
Damn you KC, had to squash my dreams that early?
Why do you guys want Posey anyway? We’ll have Montero and Romine coming up through the ranks to take over for Posada *fingers crossed*
Well with Posey in the system they could move Montero to first and deal with Romine and Weems in some other way if they turn out to be good. Not everyone turns out to be a major leaguer, but if you have extras then you can always trade.
It doesn’t matter–best available talent. You’re looking at a guy who’s maybe a step below Wieters, and if the Yankees assemble a lot of catching depth in the minors, those are INCREDIBLE trading chips, because just about every team in the majors needs a catcher.
…which is precisely why Posey falling is such a big deal. It’s not just that he’s one of the best talents on the board, he plays a premium position of NEED for a lot of teams that just don’t want to pay him the money he wants.
I still can’t see the Yankees going after Montgomery if one of the high-ceiling righties (Cole, Melville, Holt) are available, and one of them will be if Posey falls to the Tigers…
Not for nothing, but won’t Eric Hosmer have to play the OF? With Billy Butler there doesn’t he have to play adequately in the corner OF?
Butler can DH.
Actually, I think that’s what the Royals assume he ends up doing. I think they envision Hosmer/Gordon on the corners…
Law says he could see Hosmer in RF, too.
They don’t see Butler as a 1b. He’s a DH. He’s a very bad 1b.
In a good draft, that shouldn’t matter. Take the best player, and if you have two guys at the same position, then you can always trade one. More likely, one of them will flop before it becomes an issue.
Butler isnt considered a 1B… and right now, i believe he’s playing in AAA.
He was almost right away the Royals DH, especially after Sweeney left.
If the Yanks wanted Hosmer that bad then they can trade for him in 365 days
Mustaz, nice for the birds
Come on San Fran, get Justin Smoak and move on.
If the draft wasn’t being televised, the first round would have been over alrealdy.
I know Billy Butler can DH but I HATE profiling young players as DHs. That banks his entire value on his bat.
Well there goes Posey.
Posey: wow-what a surprise!!
wonder if the bonus demands are for real
except this is what Keith Law projected….
Giants take Posey.
Buster posey pretending to be happy having the giants call his bluff! He sounds thrilled on the phone.
CMW has now officially worried me.
Whoops, forgot to switch threads.
Dammit, there goes today’s ballgame.
So here’s the million dollar question: if Cole slips to the Tigers (which seems like a possibility), do they take him?
Catchers going fast
There won’t be another one taken until Castro somewhere in the 10-15 pick range, then probably not until the 3rd round.
Dammit Melky. That error now has us down 5
ESPN2 bottom line just said the yankees are gonna have talks with cashman for an extension this week
Yeah, we had a post on that earlier today. RAB’s working overtime today.
Does Kyle Skipworth really have to power for his bat to stick at a corner IF spot?
He’s got enough power for a catcher.
I know but I just heard Keith Law say if he outgrows the backstop position that he has the bat to play 1B, is that really true? I haven’t heard much on his power tool.
I missed that. I dunno if he has that kind of power.
Wow. I’m surprised by Yonder to the Reds.
To be honest I liked this pick.
I think everyone was surprised by this one. It’s not a bad pick, although I think I’d take Smoak before him…
Alonso before Smoak despite bonus demands?
maybe smoak is privately asking for more?
Baseball cube has Alonso at catcher for 06 and 07 hurricanes, what’s up with that?
Smoak is a better power hitter. Seeing both while playing against my Clemson Tigers, Smoak literally hit a ball that may not yet have landed.
Does this mean Smoak is “falling”
There is no way in hell Smoak is falling that far.
Somewhat, yes. There’s almost no chance he gets by the Mets though.
they wouldn’t pay for him though.
They would pay him. After having some lackluster drafts and trading away all their good prospects. That’s a given.
shhh! if we dont say it, maybe other teams wont pick up on it!
I’m really surprised to see them take Alonso. That’s a pretty disciplined way of sticking to top of the board philosophy.
Votto looks pretty good at first base. I guess they didn’t like Gordon Beckham as much as people were saying.
It’s interesting with all of these first basemen clustered together – unlikely they’ll all make it and some team is going to have made a big mistake parsing out all of these 1b.
Ozzie Guillen in the Chisox draft room. After the tirade he made, they made him Co GM
Guarantee that Justin Smoak goes in picks 9-11?
I’d say so. Nats at 9 or Rangers at 11. Houston will take Aaron Crow.
Well then. Nevermind.
Just when I was going to say I didn’t see the Nats taking him, they go with Crow. Not a huge surprise, Frankie P called it.
Only 18 picks more to drop for smoak
I just don’t see it happening. Too many teams wiling to go over slot with picks inbetween.
Yeah it was a joke, even if he did some team right in front of us would snatch him just as we get really excited
Is Karl Ravich a yankee fan or hater?
Neither, he’s a Red Sox fan but he isn’t a dick.
does not compute…
What is Houston thinking? They are truly clueless.
They panicked when Crow was taken. Or at least it seems that way.
All they do it pick catchers
…either the Astros know something no one else does, or this is Exhibibit Z why Houston doesn’t have a farm system…
Jason Castro at #10? Overdraft, no?
Yeah. Big one took. I thought he would have been an overdraft for the Mets at 18.
I need to pay attention to the Draft Tracker, this feed via MLB.com is way behind the actual picks.
Yeah, it’s like 2 minutes behind the ESPN broadcast.
Hah. They just showed the A’s draft room. It was a bunch of interns on laptops.
I’ll say this for Oakland–they wouldn’t make a panic selection like Houston apparently did.
Every overdraft means someone who should have been taken higher might fall to the Yankees. Therefore, I encourage such stupidity.
Well that crushes everything.
And there goes Smoak
Hah, the Rangers looking to bring in another Teixeira. This kid might be the closest in this draft.
The Rangers must be ecstatic, they get an impact bat in Justin Smoak and don’t have to sweat over the Boras bonus demands.
Justin Smoak=Tim Lincecum.
Alonso even talks a little like A-Rod.
LaTroy Hawkins got 3 outs. Forecast for Hell, a frosty 32 degrees
Prototypical Pick for the A’s.
Jemile Weeks, I just don’t see the big hooplah there. What Mike said about his name makes sense but I can’t believe that these scouting directors would fall for that. I know bloodlines are a plus but still.
WOW WEEKS, apparently that name is like what Cromartie has turned into for the NFL draft
The rangers taking Smoak is fortunate for the yankees. Supposedly they were very interested in Cole.
No chance smoak falls to 28. But cole could. That knocks off one team from the list considering Cole.
I really think it’s going to come down to the Tigers. Possibly Seattle, if they don’t go Scheppers. If Detroit passes, Yankees can get him. I hope.
I love me some Brett Wallace, imagine that lineup with him and Albert Pujols on a hot week.
I figured the A’s were gonna take him, not a middle of the road second baseman
Kevin Goldstein actually thinks Weeks has some serious upside, best tools of the college players.
I think Beane is pissed Smoak didn’t fall to him, though. I think that was his dream scenario.
Yeah, I wonder where Wallace plays if they resign Pujols.
In class, but just want to predict this will smash the RAB comment record (easy prediction I know…)
Nah, I think the record is 380-something comments or so. I’m going to end this thread and start up a new one once the Yanks pick.
My first thought was no… but we’re at about 150 now and not even half way done. Comments will double after the Yankees pick.
Aaron Hicks to the Twins, hmm thought they might go with Christian Friedrich.
Good Pick by the Twins.
Also, did Bud screw up on the word Los Angeles?
Really gutsy pick by the Twins, and I like it.
Ethan Martin to the Dodgers? Kinda makes sense.
I think that’s what Frankie predicted in his mock. It’s actually been pretty accurate so far, I think he got the first seven in a row.
the pace of the draft is really pissing me off. 2 years ago we would already be in the fifth.
its not even that… what pisses me off is when these teams take the entire alotted time to pick.
you prepare for months for this, shouldnt you have at least your first round pick ready to go for when you are on the clock?
Why can’t old people ever speak legibly?
Gordon Beckham needs a haircut badly.
Gordon Beckham takes the title of “Best Hair in Sports” from Nomar.
No, it’s absolutely disgusting.
As an aside… Is the ESPN telecast fun to watch? I’m considering staying away from baseball for the afternoon so I can go home and watch the telecast on my DVR tonight.
Eh, at times it can be like nails on a chalkboard. The best moments are when Callis and Law are talking.
Eh… Thanks… I think I’m going to go for it. Sure my employer will appreciate it. I’m out.
Gordan Beckham’s hair is actually bigger than his head, that is very funny looking.
Josh Fields to the Brewers?
Ah, forgot about Lawrie. Interesting they took him as a catcher.
Gammons is like “Lawrie sounds like Lowrie, as in Jed Lowrie who plays for Boston. Great pick for the Red Sox.”
btw, Jon Lester is the greatest human being ever. Just wanted to add that in.
For Diamond Cutters, I’m Peter Gammons, ESPN.
FUCK!!! There goes Lawrie. This draft sucks massive for us.
We have Romine and Montero calm down.
I wouldn’t say so. Still plenty of high-upside guys who are falling.
Yes but I’d love his bat somewhere in an OF corner. I salivate at his potential…Hopefully Ike Davis is still there
Brewers last couple years have made some interesting picks.
Lighting Round, Shooter Hunt or Gerrit Cole if both are available at #28?
Cole easily for me. Hunt goes to the Padres I bet.
Hm…Friedrich keeps dropping. Ditto Hunt, and Cole’s still on the board. Picks 20 on are going to be interesting….
More pitching that drops the better off we are
who’s friendrich and Hunt?
David Cooper at #17!?!?!
Quite the overdraft….Helps the Yanks
Phew, the Yanks dodged the David Cooper bullet without even having to pick yet.
What do you think, Mike? Friedrich just isn’t getting picked by anyone. If I had to take a shot-in-the-dark guess, Seattle snags him.
Seattle will almost certainly take Scheppers. There’s talk that they already worked out a huge money deal with him. Maybe the Mets or Brewers take Friedrich with an extra pick.
But even if Friedrich is on the board? I know Seattle goes for the best arm traditionally, but I have to think Scheppers would fall to the supplemental round if Seattle doesn’t grab him. Or after last year’s Brackman pick, do they worry about the Yankees at 28?
Maybe I’m just biased against that injury, which could be potentially deabilitating, and not worth the hbig-money risk the Mariners are going to take on him.
Does Jemile really sound that much like Jamal?
wow what a reach.
Wow, what a twist!
You Robot Chicken fans will appreciate that one
Could Cole be there at 28 and Scheppers at 44?
Wow this blows. Bye Ike Davis…now hopefully at least Collier will be there…
No suprise from the Mets
Man, looks pretty decent for either Cole or Gillaspie at this point.
Does Cashner to the Cubs possibly throw a wrench into Cole as DET might take him now?
METS- IKE DAVIS? WHAT IS THIS SOUTH PARK? LETS GO YANKS! GERRIT COLE!
I love Gerrit Cole I would definitely take Christian Friedrich over Cole if they are both there for the Yanks.
Cooper really that overrated?
The Cubs take Cashner. That leaves Kelly as a possibility for us @ 28.
Nice job by the Cubs not only taking a reliever in the first round, but not even taking the best reliever available.
Frankie’s pretty high on Cashner, and had him going first among the college relievers. So I think that’s a legitimately debatable claim.
Looks like Scheppers at 20.
Just about to ask if anyone was surprised that both Andrew Cashner and Josh Fields were still on the board.
Fields is a very real possibility for the Tigers.
Brett Wallace doesn’t look happy. Maybe he would’ve been happier if he would have gone to the YANKEES!
I don’t get the pick. This isn’t even a pick for need seeing as how they have Carlos Marmol waiting in the wings if Kerry Wood fails as the 9th inning guy or subdues to injury.
So much for like Scheppers…
Maybe they realized that even if they think he’s healthy, no one else is taking him for a little while.
Is it too early to say fuck you Dombrowski or do I have to wait for something to actually happen?
He still deserves it for the next three years.
wow! does this mean Sheppers falls? do we take him over Cole?
no. Cole over Scheppers either way.
Josh Fields to the Northwest, Christian Friedrich, come on down!
All bets are off with the Tigers. Fields off the board.
Wow, Seattle sucks and now they take a reliever in the first round. Bravasi really wants to get fired.
he’s gonna trade fields for horacio ramirez 18 months from now
This is the pick I’m most worried about.
Frank Marcos is automatically an idiot for saying this is a good pick by the M’s.
He tried his best to own Keith Law but to no avail.
I think it was a really good pick for them too. They clearly want to keep their bullpen a strength, and want the major league team to get better quickly. They have money coming off the books in this coming and next season’s offseason, and they have their CF and two best SP under control.
Yeah, they suck this year.. but they have money and the ability to get better quickly.
Moment of truth time baby.
Is Freidrich really 1st round worthy? A high 80s, low 90s fastball (which usually means high 80s, and he hits 91, 92 once in a game). I’d rather they go for the best pitcher, than worry about handedness.
Fields reminds me of Pedro with that violent delivery.
Shooter Hunt falls to Yanks, maybe?
Well that’s a boring pick
Detroit? Perry? Confused…
wow they’re right on with the “run of relievers”
So not only did they not take Cole, they overdrafted Perry. You da man Dombrowski.
Christian Friedrich, SHooter Hunt, Gerrit Cole and Tim Melville all still on the board.
Oh and Zach Collier.
Friedrich=Oakland-era Zito, in his prime.
Mets take Gillaspie? Maybe Raben?
Shit. Arizona could take Cole…
This has been one of the teams he’s been rumored to. They draft well and haven’t had a late round pick in a long time. Hard to know how they’ll behave in a late round sitation.
But even if Arizona does, there are a lot of other players still on the board no one could have anticapted–like Hunt.
The tigers went completely against their recent philosophy.
They picked Perry based on need. They are a win now team and they are desperate for pitching, especially in the pen.
They picked Perry hoping they can fast track him to the major to help the big team.
They passed on Melville, Cole and Frederich.
The Sawx are pissed.
They wanted Havens?
Fuck ‘em, they need some disappointment in that town.
Gammons: There are a few teams (read: Sox) that see him as a catcher. Oh well, not shedding any tears for Theo and co.
Reese Havens. I like that pick.
Havens is obviously being drafted to replace their shitty SS next year…
Reese Havens?–bombshell. Shows their faith in Jose Reyes, unless they want to make him a catcher. And even then he said he didn’t want to do it.
They know right now that he’s not a short stop…. I don’t think it has anything to do with reyes. He could move to second, as they were also saying on tv.
Chris Britton is warming up in a reasonable spot in the game, wow.
Cole, Scheppers, Hunt, Friedrich, Collier, Melville, Gillaspie. At least two of those players will be available when the Yanks pick.
There are more Rays fans at the draft than I’ve ever seen at one of their home games.
Ugh. Bad pick for my Pads.
There’s better players available. If they really wanted a college hitter, they could have taken Gillaspie. Better in every aspect of the game.
your Pads? Aren’t you a Yankee fan?!?
I have a soft spot for them. Long story, don’t ask.
Didn’t you used to live in San Diego? That’s not that long of a story…
Allan Dykstra to San Diego, come on baby, I’m watching you Mr. Friedrich.
So would it be Friedrich over Cole?
Could Friedrich fall to us @ 28?? If he and Cole are both there I say take the lefty.
No take BPA
Friedrich is the BPA in my opinion.
I’m praying Cole lasts to 28, but if Melvbille’s there, I’d be equally happy (rumor has it he’s going to the Rockies, though). And Friedrich just might drop out of the 1st round…
I would take Cole over Friedrich. He’s got the best arm in the draft. You can’t pass that up.
There is no way Friedrich drops down!!!!! Just like there is no way the Yankees win this game. //hopefully my jinx worked…
What is the scouting report on Cole?
KLaws Scouting Report on Cole:
Ultimate Role: No. 1-2 starter
Summary: (Watch scouting video) Cole is a strongly built right-handed pitcher with the best arm among prep players in this draft. His fastball is electric, with a four-seamer at 96-97 mph and a two-seamer with good tail at 93-95 mph. His arm is loose and unbelievably quick. His delivery isn’t smooth, however: His arm action is long and he gets his elbow up a little too high in the back. His breaking ball is a sharp curve with slider-like tilt, but it’s inconsistent and he doesn’t use it that often in games, pitching mostly off his fastball. Cole also has a changeup with good fading action that he tries to guide out of his hand. Makeup concerns surfaced after he chose Scott Boras as his advisor, but weren’t a factor prior to last autumn. Stuff this good wouldn’t get out of the top 10 picks if Cole was signable for slot, but the Boras connection and Cole’s commitment to UCLA will see him fall to a team willing to pay top dollar for a top arm.
Thank God we don’t have to deal with Hewitt
The way they’re talking it sounds like he’s CJ Henry part deux
Rox will take Ordorizzi. They where all over him the past few weeks.
Overrated, clap clap clapclapclap, Overrated…
Cole is projected to be a 1-2 starter by Law, Friedrich a #3. Big bonus with Friedrich is he’s lefty
Cole=Joba Chamberlain, switching weight with make-up? Obviously not as polished, but in terms of differential between arm and position drafted.
Yeah, what is it?
Duh, had a brain cramp. Best player available.
The question though, is Cole or Hunt that BPA?
Finally Friederich goes.
Shooter Hunt would look good in pinstripes as well.
Mike, I don’t suppose you can start a 2nd post/thread for this? This page is getting big and reloading is becoming a pain.
Shooter Hunt, Connor Gillapsie, Gerrit Cole or Zach Collier?
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