“Should I drop out of the race due to family concerns, after this Thursday impending catastrophe?
12:50
What’s happening Thursday? I don’t follow politics all that much. Does it have to do with that $700B bill that didn’t go through?”
I was out to lunch at this point, but I believe the asker of this question is refering to the smackdown she is going to receive at the hands of Joe Biden in the VP debates this Thursday. I mean, if you can’t handle Katie Couric……
There we go, seems to be working now. CC’s obviously the cream of the crop, but if he goes back home to Cali, I think the next best FA arm is Lowe. He doesn’t miss a start, and you know what you’re getting from him each time out. Brunett and Sheets both have too many health issues, plus Burnett’s not exactly a big game pitcher, nor a spring chicken
reggie, i think i was the first one to address this in the threads regarding the offseason, and i got shot down with enthusiasm… i think if we miss out on everyone, a 3/45 deal for lowe would be a decent signing… unfortunately it seems ben and everyone that reads this feels itd be dumb
Last month i enthusiastically stated routinely that the Bronx was the odds-on favorite to land CC’s services. I’m not feeling so positive these days. Its been almost 100 IP later on his arm (i’m not kidding), and now that the brewers are in the playoffs, we can expect another 15/18.
I dont think the Yanks can ignore the potential 265 IP that CC is gonna rack up. I’m starting to feel that the Yanks should NOT ignore it, and let CC go elsewhere.
I just don’t see how Lowe is Plan B in case CC doesn’t work out. CC is an “ace”. Are you expecting Lowe to fill that role? Cuz he’ll almost certainly be pain like one. I don’t have a problem with signing Lowe to be a #3-4 guy, but signing or not signing CC has no bearing on that.
Yes, you know what you get with him, 200 innings, yadda yadda yadda. But how valuable is that if what you know is that you’re getting 200 innings of sucking?
But Lowe’s not a bad pitcher. He’s not a bad pitcher AT ALL. I’m not saying he’s a #1 starter. Nobody is. Lowe is a rotation stabilizer, and somebody who on a decent offense should be a 14/15 game winner. Lowe is a very good #3 on a very good team.
I’m not expecting Lowe to be an ace, just a guy in the rotation giving 200+ innings of slighty above avg pitching. Burnett and Sheets can be aces, but they’re so far away from being sure things. It’s my belief that if they sign one of Burnett/Sheets, we’re looking at 20 more starts from Rasner/Ponson.
ok i stand corrected… mike actually DOES agree with me on this one… at least im not alone
and thank u for articulating my point… nobody thinks he can dominate like sheets or burnett when theyre pitching well… but hes durable with a great track record of health, success in the al east, and if nothing else, it means no more ponson/rasner
the thing to remember is IFFFF they miss out on the other options, i dont see why this would be a bad sign
true… but like i said, if its worst-case scenario and we lose out on just about every free agent (i was including pettitte) then lowe makes a lot of sense to me
actually… even if we do land pettitte, losing out on CC and everyone else, our staff would be Wang, andy, joba, hughes, and question mark… so we still might need lowe ((assuming yanks execs dont think hughes and IPK as a 4/5 combo is a good idea starting the season next year))
Francoeur has got the physical tools for sure, but boy did his hitting approach bottom out!! I mean who saw a line of .240 / .294 / .360 in this kid’s future. He was never a patient kid, but the power dropped too.
Francoeur should do alot better, so I’d be surprised to see ATL sell low on him.
hes a free-swinger that doesnt get on base, granted he plays top notch D with a great arm, but id rather stick it out with IPK and hope he can turn into a 4/5 slot guy with a 4 ERA before dealing him
his OBP was lower than cano’s and hes a known strikeout artist with virtually no walks… wasnt that the yanks problem this year??
Haha. i’m being consistent here. I dont want Francoeur b/c i think coaching a better hitting approach isn’t an easy thing to do. And that’s also why I think Cano’s troubles will CONTINUE, so i want him gone while his all-star like hitting seasons aren’t a distant memory.
As a follow-up to the question about Mark Melancon on the EL top 20 lists, this from the BA chat:
Q: Kelly from San Francisco, CA asks:
No love for Mark Melancon?
A: John Manuel: Melancon was close to making it. His stuff’s still not quite consistent and a grade or so behind that of Bard, the only reliever who made the list. However, I did have a scout who saw Melancon up to 95 mph, which is what he threw pre-TJ, and he has shown power breaking stuff. I strongly considered him; I’ve been on the Melancon bandwagon since he was at Arizona and always have heard nothing but rave reviews about his makeup. He just didn’t quite make the 20; best reason is I thought 20 guys had more upside, that’s all.
Q: ScottAz from Phx, AZ asks:
Interesting comments on Austin Jackson- none of his tools really stand out, he may not have the defense to stick up the middle- but in the same breath he’s a winner, a big game player that loves and thrives under the spotlight. Is he a CF version of Derek Jeter?
A: John Manuel: He’s not as good a hitter as Jeter but he’s a better defender in CF than Jeter at SS. He’s just solid all the way around, solid five tools, nothing wrong with that.
That’s really it. Manuel also completely shot down my Mike Cameron comp. Shows what I know.
What is the contract status looking like for Betemit and Ransom? I know Ransom spent most of the season pining away in AAA but he showed good versatility and some decent promise in his September callup, in my opinion. Is there room on the roster to carry two utility infielders who can play all four positions? Or could Ransom replace Betemit in that role?
I really didn’t get the Heywrd over Montero? Better Athletic? Yeah 9 out of ten rf are more athletic then catchers.
Better patience? By no significant large margin.
Better defender?They play different positions. Stick Heyward behind the plate. Now who’s better. Montero has the clutch factor uncanny for his age. Can someone get the numbers of both with runners in scoring position can we quantimfy clutch hits.
“Should I drop out of the race due to family concerns, after this Thursday impending catastrophe?
12:50
What’s happening Thursday? I don’t follow politics all that much. Does it have to do with that $700B bill that didn’t go through?”
I was out to lunch at this point, but I believe the asker of this question is refering to the smackdown she is going to receive at the hands of Joe Biden in the VP debates this Thursday. I mean, if you can’t handle Katie Couric……
And that will officially end the political talk at RAB.
Yes! I got in the only remark.
Good chat. Maybe we’ll get to my question(s) next time
I don’t look at the names. Don’t take it personally.
Of course i missed the chat. arghhh..
My question would’ve been: Do you think signing Derek Lowe would be a smart, proportionate move if we miss out on signing Sabathia?
I wonder what RAB’s answer would’ve been …..
I’m going with “no.”
from the chat:
There we go, seems to be working now. CC’s obviously the cream of the crop, but if he goes back home to Cali, I think the next best FA arm is Lowe. He doesn’t miss a start, and you know what you’re getting from him each time out. Brunett and Sheets both have too many health issues, plus Burnett’s not exactly a big game pitcher, nor a spring chicken
reggie, i think i was the first one to address this in the threads regarding the offseason, and i got shot down with enthusiasm… i think if we miss out on everyone, a 3/45 deal for lowe would be a decent signing… unfortunately it seems ben and everyone that reads this feels itd be dumb
Last month i enthusiastically stated routinely that the Bronx was the odds-on favorite to land CC’s services. I’m not feeling so positive these days. Its been almost 100 IP later on his arm (i’m not kidding), and now that the brewers are in the playoffs, we can expect another 15/18.
I dont think the Yanks can ignore the potential 265 IP that CC is gonna rack up. I’m starting to feel that the Yanks should NOT ignore it, and let CC go elsewhere.
I just don’t see how Lowe is Plan B in case CC doesn’t work out. CC is an “ace”. Are you expecting Lowe to fill that role? Cuz he’ll almost certainly be pain like one. I don’t have a problem with signing Lowe to be a #3-4 guy, but signing or not signing CC has no bearing on that.
Yes, you know what you get with him, 200 innings, yadda yadda yadda. But how valuable is that if what you know is that you’re getting 200 innings of sucking?
But Lowe’s not a bad pitcher. He’s not a bad pitcher AT ALL. I’m not saying he’s a #1 starter. Nobody is. Lowe is a rotation stabilizer, and somebody who on a decent offense should be a 14/15 game winner. Lowe is a very good #3 on a very good team.
I’m not expecting Lowe to be an ace, just a guy in the rotation giving 200+ innings of slighty above avg pitching. Burnett and Sheets can be aces, but they’re so far away from being sure things. It’s my belief that if they sign one of Burnett/Sheets, we’re looking at 20 more starts from Rasner/Ponson.
ok i stand corrected… mike actually DOES agree with me on this one… at least im not alone
and thank u for articulating my point… nobody thinks he can dominate like sheets or burnett when theyre pitching well… but hes durable with a great track record of health, success in the al east, and if nothing else, it means no more ponson/rasner
the thing to remember is IFFFF they miss out on the other options, i dont see why this would be a bad sign
I’m not expecting Lowe to be an ace, just a guy in the rotation giving 200+ innings of slighty above avg pitching.
Andy Pettitte on a one year deal makes more sense in this role, no?
true… but like i said, if its worst-case scenario and we lose out on just about every free agent (i was including pettitte) then lowe makes a lot of sense to me
actually… even if we do land pettitte, losing out on CC and everyone else, our staff would be Wang, andy, joba, hughes, and question mark… so we still might need lowe ((assuming yanks execs dont think hughes and IPK as a 4/5 combo is a good idea starting the season next year))
I really liked the Kennedy for Francoeur deal.. call me crazy but I like that idea
Okay, you got it.
You’re crazy.
Francoeur has got the physical tools for sure, but boy did his hitting approach bottom out!! I mean who saw a line of .240 / .294 / .360 in this kid’s future. He was never a patient kid, but the power dropped too.
Francoeur should do alot better, so I’d be surprised to see ATL sell low on him.
hes a free-swinger that doesnt get on base, granted he plays top notch D with a great arm, but id rather stick it out with IPK and hope he can turn into a 4/5 slot guy with a 4 ERA before dealing him
his OBP was lower than cano’s and hes a known strikeout artist with virtually no walks… wasnt that the yanks problem this year??
decent upside i guess but i just dont see it
IPK doesnt have the upside as a pitcher that Francouer has as a RF.
id make that deal.
me too dude in a hot minute lol.. francouer we’d have under control for many years for no money and yes i know same applies to kennedy
it’s funny watching the same fans lust after Franceour while wishing Cano be traded.
i guess the grass is always greener.
Haha. i’m being consistent here. I dont want Francoeur b/c i think coaching a better hitting approach isn’t an easy thing to do. And that’s also why I think Cano’s troubles will CONTINUE, so i want him gone while his all-star like hitting seasons aren’t a distant memory.
what bout a deal for eric byrnes ? buy low reward high
As a follow-up to the question about Mark Melancon on the EL top 20 lists, this from the BA chat:
Q: Kelly from San Francisco, CA asks:
No love for Mark Melancon?
A: John Manuel: Melancon was close to making it. His stuff’s still not quite consistent and a grade or so behind that of Bard, the only reliever who made the list. However, I did have a scout who saw Melancon up to 95 mph, which is what he threw pre-TJ, and he has shown power breaking stuff. I strongly considered him; I’ve been on the Melancon bandwagon since he was at Arizona and always have heard nothing but rave reviews about his makeup. He just didn’t quite make the 20; best reason is I thought 20 guys had more upside, that’s all.
Did BA field any questions on A-jax?
Q: ScottAz from Phx, AZ asks:
Interesting comments on Austin Jackson- none of his tools really stand out, he may not have the defense to stick up the middle- but in the same breath he’s a winner, a big game player that loves and thrives under the spotlight. Is he a CF version of Derek Jeter?
A: John Manuel: He’s not as good a hitter as Jeter but he’s a better defender in CF than Jeter at SS. He’s just solid all the way around, solid five tools, nothing wrong with that.
That’s really it. Manuel also completely shot down my Mike Cameron comp. Shows what I know.
What is the contract status looking like for Betemit and Ransom? I know Ransom spent most of the season pining away in AAA but he showed good versatility and some decent promise in his September callup, in my opinion. Is there room on the roster to carry two utility infielders who can play all four positions? Or could Ransom replace Betemit in that role?
I really didn’t get the Heywrd over Montero? Better Athletic? Yeah 9 out of ten rf are more athletic then catchers.
Better patience? By no significant large margin.
Better defender?They play different positions. Stick Heyward behind the plate. Now who’s better. Montero has the clutch factor uncanny for his age. Can someone get the numbers of both with runners in scoring position can we quantimfy clutch hits.