Bobby Abreu’s uncertain future

Open Thread: The ethics of recruiting Japanese players
2000: The year the blog forgot

We’ve talked about Bobby Abreu quite a bit since the season has ended. While the Yanks will offer him arbitration, they won’t give him the three-year deal he wants. But does he even deserve this deal? In a must-read piece about Abreu’s future, Eric Seidman posits that Abreu will be among the most overpaid or the most disappointed free agents on the market this year. I believe it.

Open Thread: The ethics of recruiting Japanese players
2000: The year the blog forgot
  • Steve

    Lou Pinella-“Numbers shmumbers! He beats the Hell out of Fukudome!!!”

  • A.D.

    Pretty much, and for smart GMs having to give up a top pick on top of the money, might just be tough to stomach

  • E-ROC

    Somebody will look to add his bat to their lineup like the Cubs or Mets. However, I don’t think he’ll get a three year deal. There can’t be a GM out there who is blind to the downward trend of Abreu.

    • A.D.

      Essentially it will come down to some team that thinks they are a bat away from being a juggernaut, so they go out and sign

  • Manimal

    He could just accept arbitration, I think he could get more $/year next year where his only competition in free agency is Damon.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

      Considering that probably half of all big league GM’s have no idea what the fuck all those crazy words in that article meant, I think Bobby still takes his chances that somebody gives him a three year deal. Maybe not a 3/45, maybe more like a 3/36, but still, a 3/36 is better than a 1/16 in arb.

    • A.D.

      and Holliday, Bay, Nady

  • Manimal

    http://mlb.mlb.com/images/2008/11/20/Bg2nG9VA.jpg

    Interesting how he looks like he hasn’t aged much, just a little more scruff.

    • radnom

      sideburns are a tad longer

  • E-ROC

    Does the River Ave Radio Show replace Friday’s River Ave Chats? Or will you continue to do both?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      Both.

      • E-ROC

        Cool beans!

  • christopher

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3716104

    hal seems to be picking up where his brother left off…apparently he will be puting a deadline on the CC offer. While i can understand not leaving the offer out indefinetly, why the hell would you say this now when it is obvious and expected that the guy wont make a move until after thanksgicing.

    these two brothers should not be allowed to talk…the only thing comments like this would do is piss off CC for no reason. what is the upside into saying NOW that there will eventually be a deadline. STUPID STUPID.

    I may be in the minority but i see hal being too bottom line/profit oriented as opposed to hank who wants nothing but to win. for me hank is the lesser of the two evils because i fear hal may pull back the purse strings too much whereas hank despite his big mouth would, if allowed, spend a ton of money alla his father

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

      Again, saying that there’s a deadline without saying when the deadline is isn’t really saying there’s a deadline.

      It’s a non-statement. I doubt CC gave it more than a second’s thought.

    • A.D.

      I fail to see how the Hal comment means anything other than a fair statement of the obvious, and doesn’t actually set any deadline. All it meas is that they don’t want to wait forever, so if the CC ship sails they can make other moves.

      “We’ve made him an offer. It’s not going to be there forever,” Hal Steinbrenner said Thursday

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

        Don’t you notice that that’s the only part of the quote you ever hear? The AP dropped that part in, and any context around it is nowhere to be found.

        Imagine this press conference:

        Annoying Yankee Beat Reporter: “CC hasn’t signed yet. Do you have a deadline? Will you be pulling your offer off the table if he doesn’t agree soon?”

        Hal “Michael Corleone” Steinbrenner: “We’ve made him an offer.”

        Annoying Yankee Beat Reporter: “Does that mean that the offer is open ended? It will be there forever?”

        Hal “Michael Corleone” Steinbrenner: “It’s not going to be there forever, no.”

        Annoying Yankee Beat Reporter: “So there’s a firm deadline, and then you walk away? When is that deadline? Next week? Thanksgiving? Christmas? Is this like the ARod fiasco from last year?”

        Hal “Michael Corleone” Steinbrenner: “We’re in contact with his agent. That’s all we’re going to say about CC right now.”

        aaaaaaaaand, SCENE!

        • Ivan

          And Hank is Sunny?

          • Thomas

            Not to be a jerk, but I think you mean Sonny.

          • Clayton

            And Steve Swindal is Fredo

            • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

              Look, we covered this in a previous thread. Steve Swindal is Carlo, the jealous brother-in-law pushed out of the family who will eventually take revenge agaisnt Sonny (Hank) at the tollplaza, before Michael (Hal) settles the family business once and for all.

        • Steve

          Bingo. The amount of yellow journalism in sports is frightening at times.

    • radnom

      I feel like people are making a mountain out of a molehill regarding this quote.

      I would like to see it in context.

      Either way, its not like he set a deadline.

      Nothing has changed.

      • Lanny

        Writers need something to write about in the time between signings. They lack creativity and this gets an easy headline.

        • radnom

          That’s what I was saying. By people, I meant “internet people” not the media. Obviously I don’t expect better from them.

  • Reggie C.

    Does anybody here think Xavier Nady isn’t a solid bet to approximate Abreu’s production? Assuming no shake-ups in the corner OF slots occur, Nady is going to be the new RF. Nady’s about as interesting a guy as Robbie Cano is at the moment. Is he a keeper or a 1-year stopgap to Matt Holliday? Nady has gotta show he’s for real.

    • Lanny

      You give up Bobbys offense and patience at the plate for more power and better defense.

      They obviously don’t want him for 3 yrs or this would have been done already.

      I don’t see him having much of a problem getting a deal out there. Bobby or Mannys 100mill? Ibanez isnt better. Burrell is aging real quick.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

        Exactly. It’s not that we don’t want Abreu. It’s that we don’t want to give him a contract that runs through his age 37 season.

  • ortforshort

    Deserve has nothing to do with it as far as a three year deal goes. Its what do the Yankees need. The Yankees need Abreu. An outfield of Swisher, Damon, Nady is scary bad if you’re trying to be a contender. Nady is the best of the three right now (Damon has one arm and Swisher hit .219 last year) and he doesn’t come close to being the hitter Abreu is. I think people tend to take players for granted when they’ve been around for awhile and then regret it later when there’s a gaping hole in the lineup. Look at the mistake Cashman made in unloading Sheffield. It left a gaping hole that’s never been close to being filled (see Nady). To fill the Sheffield hole, Teixeira would be perfect. There is no one to fill the Abreu hole. By the way Matsui, Damon and Posada are cooked. If Cashman is relying on any of them this year, he’s a bigger bozo than I thought. Matsui is 35 coming off operations on both knees the last two years. Done. Damon has one arm. Done. Posada is a 37 year old catcher coming off of major right shoulder surgery. Done.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

      I was thinking of 50 different was to respond to this, but this is the best one.

      If we wrote something along these lines, no one would read us.

    • http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/news/2000/01/18/jeter_ap/index.html steve (different one)

      Sheffield has been a total bomb in Detroit. he’s done.

      did you seriously just make that argument?

    • A.D.

      I don’t understand why Damon is “cooked”, he OPS+ 118 last year

      • http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/news/2000/01/18/jeter_ap/index.html steve (different one)

        don’t bother, this post was beyond idiotic.

        he rails on Cashman for relying on a 35 year old guy coming off knee surgery, but then rips Cashman for trading a 38 year old guy coming off wrist surgery.

        the logic is dizzying.

  • Joseph M

    The Yankees shouldn’t go near Abreu. The last thing this club needs is another 35 year old position player. I’ve beaten this to death but look at the long history of baseball and try to find a championship club with this many 35 year olds. Believe me it’s a short list.

  • ortforshort

    I’m going to give this another shot.
    Sheffield – I understand that the guy had hurt his wrist and was old when Cashman got rid of him. The point is that Cashman did not have a replacement for Sheffield. It wasn’t until almost two years later that Cashman finally got someone who approximated what Sheffield had given the Yankees in Nady. Until then, there was a huge hole in the Yankee lineup. Sheffield never recovered fully from his injured wrist, age was certainly a factor, but Cashman didn’t know that at the time. Also, Nady doesn’t give the Yankees anything near what Sheffield did and the Yankee lineup isn’t anywhere near as potent as it was when Sheffield was around. To me, Mark Teixeira is a must sign to get the Yankees moving back towards a championship team’s lineup and it concerns me that Cashman doesn’t look like he’s all that interested in making a run for Teixeira.

  • ortforshort

    I’m going to give this point another shot also.
    Abreu – I understand that the guy is 35 and his fielding has deteriorated. He’s still a good hitter. A 20 home run, 100 rbi, .300 hitter who is patient and works lots of walks and can still run the bases. Getting rid of him because he’s getting old is fine IF you’ve got a replacement. Just like getting rid of Sheffield was fine IF the Yankees had a replacement. The problem is that they don’t have a replacement. Matsui is 35 coming off of operations on both knees and Damon is 35 and can’t throw. Add Posada to them, a 37 year old catcher coming off of major right shoulder surgery, and you have three designated hitters for this season. That leaves with Swisher, a .219 hitter last year, Nady who’s the one decent outfielder the Yankees have got, and Cabrera and Gardner, neither of whom can hit. There are no decent free agents available and no one in the minors who can be considered a replacement for Abreu’s production. Does anybody really think that a Swisher, Damon, Cabrera, Gardner, Matsui, Nady outfield is something a team with championship aspirations wants to take into the season? I don’t. Right now it looks like Cashman does.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      Are you serious? Cashman went out and got Abreu to replace Sheffield a few months after Sheff hit the DL. If you think Nady could hold a candle to Sheffield, you are sorely mistaken.

  • ortforshort

    I guess I don’t make my points very clearly. Sorry about that. When Sheffield was replaced by Abreu, the Yankees became incredibly vulnerable to left handed pitching. A-Rod iwas the only power righty bat in their lineup. The big hole in their lineup for nearly two years was not having the second big right handed bat. It was all lefties – Matsui, Damon, Cano, Giambi, Abreu. The acquisition of Nady last year mitigated that imbalance – alhto’ I thought I made it clear that in no way does Nady give the Yankees what Sheffield gave them. Teixeira would give the Yankees lineup exactly the power boost and balance they need – which is why I can’t understand why Cashman doesn’t seem to be very interested in going after him full bore (hopefully I’m wrong about this). Getting back to Sheffield, I didn’t understand how Cashman could deliberately create such an unbalanced lineup being the incredibly savvy GM that he is. My feeling is that Cashman’s shot himself in the foot again with Abreu. Now he’s leaving himself short of quality outfield bats without any replacements because I don’t believe the Yankees can count on Matsui or Damon anymore as outfielders – they’ve both got major physical issues.