Nov
18
Open Threat Thread: Can a blogger get some hot stove action?
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I mean, seriously. These open threads are tough to write when the hot stove is running ice cold. Four years and $52M for Ryan Dempster? The D-Bags are interested in Ramon Vazquez? Yawn me. We had our fun with the “perhaps” 5/80 offer to AJ Burnett this morning, and there’s really nothing kooky about the AL MVP voting, except for an extraneous 5th place vote for Jason Bartlett. We need some hardcore hot stove talk, either that or AzFL games on TV.
Here’s your open thread for the evening, talk whatever you like. Hopefully something exciting will go down tomorrow, and until then listen to sound the ball makes off the bat of Bryce Harper. Only three years until he graduates high school.
You think Bryce Harper gets LeBron James-esque hype prior to the 2012 MLB Draft?
Ive read hes a catcher.. Is he better than Wieters
Switching hitting catcher with studly defense and no reason to see him moving out from behind the plate. He’s in the Griffey, A-Rod, J-Upton class.
So Mike, 1 second ago you are asking if hes better then Weiters, not you are syaing he is so great that the team should lose, and to trust you? Doesn’t seem like its a very reliable source.
2011 Draft, he’s a sophomore now.
“Hardcore hot stove talk” sounds dirty.
and a little dangerous.
ok….if we dont get CC, does adding AJ and Lowe really make us better than Pettite and Mussina of last year? if Moose comes back, arent we better off just signing them for a short contract of one or two years, looking to roll the dice on a Sheets for depth, and continuing to build the pitching internally…..use the $ on Texiera, and maybe another hitter? without signing an impact pitcher, it seems the better bet is to go for depth next year and use the money for hitting and maybe future opportunities.
The Padres told the Yankees a Jake Peavy deal is possible even without Phil Hughes. They’ve scouted Hughes anyway, but he’s off-limits.
We gotta lost 100 games in 2011 to get that guy… ITS WORTH IT ! TRUST ME !
Or hope he goes signability case and drops
He’s already latched onto Boras.
Lol 20 million or some shit
We won’t draft him unless he needs TJ.
Gotta keep the streak alive man, make it 10 years running baby.
2008: Luke Greinke
2007: Andrew Brackman
2006: Mark Melancon
2005: JB Cox
2004: Chris Garcia
2003: Jason Stephens
2002: Eric Hacker
2001: Jon Skaggs
2000: Sean Henn
What, no Bleich?
Not yet.
I wonder how Tommy John felt when they told him he needed Tommy John surgery.
Doctor: I’ve got good news and bad news. Which do you want first?
TJ: Give me the good news doc.
Doctor: Well, you’re going to have a surgery named after you.
Greinke needs TJ? Didn’t he pitch in SI?
Yeah, but he got hurt midway through the season.
Sorry, meant to say down here that earlier you ask if hes better then Weiters, but now you are willing to sell your soul to the devil. And to “trust you.” Seems like you are just a wealth of knowledge
I’ll give you something.
I don’t believe for one second that Andy is demanding 16 mil. That’s the Yankee PR machine paving the way for his exit, and many fans took the bait this morning and came to the conclusion the Yanks wanted you to come to.
Since when has Andy been all about money? He took 30 mil from the Astros when the Yanks were offering 45. He talks often about retiring to be with his family, and he’s one of the few players where you actually believe it. He was one of TWO Yankee players who showed up at Bobby Mercer’s funeral. Not because he was especially close to Mercer, but because being part of the Yankee family means something to him.
If they’re going to let him go, fine. But lets not smear him as just another greedy ballplayer on the way out. This isn’t Boston.
Its just his agent doing his job, his agent doesn’t want Andy to take a pay cut… that’s his job, the fact they’re starting the negotiation at 16M pretty much means it’s coming down
If he plays next year
His agent knows what the rest of the world knows, that the Yanks won’t take him back unless he accepts a big pay cut. Negotiating how big the cut will be would start at 15 on their side and whatever the Yanks counter offer is. But if you remember Andy at the Joe Torre dinner, he said that the Yanks haven’t made an offer to him. Nothing. The silence around Andy has been deafening.
They’re not negotiating, they’re spinning.
i don’t think they are spinning, i think they are stalling.
they are waiting for Moose.
i don’t think they want both old guys back, they want one or the other.
and i think Moose is probably first on their list.
I don’t doubt that Andy’s agent has started negotiations by saying he dosen’t want Andy to take a pay cut. He is already limited in that Andy says he wants to play for the Yankees. I bet he ends up with 1 yr 12 mil. Andy better hope Mussina retires or he will be looking for a whole lot less from the Astros, if he pitches at all.
The report of Andy not wanting to take a pay cut came from “Yankee sources” according to the story.
Why would they leak that? If its ‘just negotiations’, which are usually kept behind closed doors? I don’t remember any leaks about Marte’s salary demands.
I think they’re paving the way for his exit.
Anyone think CC just flat out doesnt want to play for us ?
yes…..why else the non-response to the offer? does he think someone is going to beat it? he doesn’t want to come east to the AL, and is hoping LAD drop their $ on him rather than Manny……
Im starting to think he just doesnt have ANY interest in being here
Chill out yo. It’s been less than a week. He and his agent are just waiting for some other teams to get involved, it’s just good business. Almost all major negotiations are like this, it’s just people are hanging on CC like he’s the Messiah.
Isnt he the Messiah ? He was born again for the sole purpose to bring us a ring
Yeah you guys need to chill out a little bit. Its called negotiating. If you know you can get more money you are going to try and get it. His agent is just trying to figure out what angle to play. If other teams are interested then he is going to play the teams against each other to get more money. If the Yanks first offer knocked everybody out of the race then he is going to send smoke screens so the Yanks up the offer. You guys are ridiculous.
Lol I love how I get called ridiculous.
Whats an open threat?
I forgot to add the G. to my name.
It means comment or else, bitch.
With Dempster resigning effectively taking them out of the Jake Peavy trade scenario. Do you see this lowering the price on Peavy?
I’m still not sure I’d want Peavy at his probable cost, but was just wondering.
I don’t think it takes them out, they expected to resign Dempster the whole time.
did you know Swisher hates Beckett?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgZi-zaOshQ (the first 10 seconds)
Lol
haha good find
Anyone think the cubs have any chance of moving Fukodome
CashMoney just told me that Fukudome will be pinstripes in 2009. If I had to guess Cash is will only offer Chris Britton if the Cubs pay half.
The Daily News calling CC a Cash COW on the cover is a scary precognition of what the NY media could be.
Drew Stubbs or A-JAx?
Jackson, easily. When your worst tool is your ability to put the bat on the ball, it doesn’t matter how well you do everything else. However I will say that Stubbs made the greatest catch I’ve ever seen live – ran a mile and made a diving catch on a blooper in the ‘05 CWS.
Why was he drafted so high ? They screwed up huh
Nah, ability like that is hard to come by. If it clicks for him, he’ll be a superstar. High risk, high reward. White guys with that kind of athleticism are few and far between.
/racism
Lol im quizzing your ass… When he gonna make his debut in the majors ?
Probably next year. He had a much better year in 2008 than I realized.
The Reds have got to compete and be a real serious team soon right ? Like god damn.. All these young guys.. Him and Bruce in the outfield.. Votto Volquez Cueto Bailey…and maybe Yonder Alonso.. They would have to deal one of him or Votto eventually right
they could just move Votta to LF.
MY GOD!!! ALL YOU EVER DO IS QUESTION THINGS MIKE POP! These people are not God on this site, you don’t have to suck up to everyone. Grow a set of balls and stand on your own two feet
David Wright getting his freak on.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,453869,00.html
My dream right there
I’m convinced he’s Gay.
Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
Any interst in getting Felix Pie from the Cubs for CF. They have soured on him and he still has a lot of potential.
Another guy that would have the BUST tag firmly applied if he was a Yank. Why are people willing to be more patient with other team’s prospects than they are with the our own?
Cuz it involves buying low on high potential which us Yanks fans like to do.. Dont give up top prospects.. We want to buy low like Swish
I see what your saying, but it doesn’t make sense. If we traded low for IPK or Hughes right now, would all of the Hughes/IPK haters like the trade? They probably would, which is the part that makes no sense. Of course they are the same people, that if we did trade Hughes and he became a start, they’d deny everything bad they ever said about the kid.
I didnt say trade low I said buy low.. Does that make sense ? Or did I explain it bad or am I not understanding what your saying ? Cuz im a bit confused
Sorry. Your statement itself made sense. But the perception that many fans would have doesn’t make sense. If Pie was a Yankee these last few years, everyone that hates on Hughes and IPK would have been hating on Pie for years now. Yet if we traded for him right now, those same people would love the trade, even though his performance is what it is, and has been for the last few years (regardless of what uniform he was wearing) Now I don’t think I’m making much sense, but I hope you get my drift. If we could buy Pie cheap, I’d be interested.
Alright dude I got what your saying now and I agree with ya.. People arent patient but I think that also comes with the fact that we havent won shit in 8 years.. At least the way the Yanks look at it.. We gotta win every year baby !
Wait you saying if they were on different teams and not they Yanks ? IF thats waht ya meant then I got it now
I wouldn’t mind having Pie, but I have a feeling he will never reach that potential especially in NYC. I wouldn’t trade anything more than Melky for him.
We shoulda dealt Abreu for him and others last year
Amen
I wouldn’t mind having some pie either.
Damn, now I’m starvin.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y60/oball/pie.jpg
Pie could potentially be a lot better than Melky or Gardner. Jackson is still a way off. He (Pie) might be cheap and a worthwhile gamble. We have to get younger and more athletic.
How good could Swisher be for the yanks this season?
Are my expectation reasonable if I say he can go:
.270/.375/.500
Type of player the yanks would surely benefit.
Average is not reasonable. Slugging would be a career high, but I (optimistically) think that’s possible. His best years came in a big time pitchers park, the short porch could be very beneficial.
Yeah, I’d love to see his fly ball charts, if anyone knows where to find that stuff. I’m hoping the Yanks see something I don’t, because they’re giving every indication that he’s their 1B.
MLB.com has them. There weren’t any fly balls that were turned into outs at The Cell that would have been homers at the stadium, and there’s maybe 3 or 4 doubles that would have been out, but I say that without knowing the nature of the hits (line drive, bloop, rocket off the top of the wall, etc).
Thanks, Mike. You have a link? I’d like to bookmark that one.
MLB.com has it for all hitters. Go to their player page, and click on “Hit Chart” underneath their stats from last yr & career.
He’s never hit .270 in his life.
He’s only had an OBP above .375 once.
He’s never slugged .500 in his life.
He can certainly hit .270 it’s not like im asking him to hit .300
Plus, Swisher can certainly have a OBP over .370
and if his power #’s improve he can slug .500 or at least .480.
I know Paul O’Niell and Scott Brocius came here and put up numbers well exceeding what they had done previously, but guys like that are few and far between.
It’s unreasonable to expect someone to have a career year just because they put on the pinstripes. Especially coming off such a bad year.
So you ask if your expectations are reasonable, then someone says you are way high, and you tell them that they are wrong. Why ask if you know the answer?
270 with 27 hrs and 95 rbis baby !!
the short porch will definately help out Swish.
Being a switch hitter, you’d also have to figure Death Valley hurts him as well.
Much less so though, many more at bats vs. RHP
he isnt that good i dont even like that trade he hit 219 and all the coaches hated him i mean its good we didnt give up much but still swish aint that great and now we have his contract for 3 years
I don’t know about all the coaches, but his manager certainly did.
But lets face it, Ozzie Guillen is an asshole. Having him hate you should probably go in his “+” column.
Ozzie Guillen hates Nick Swisher.
Nick Swisher hates Josh Beckett.
Nick Swisher is the common thread in these 2 statements, I’m going to take Swisher’s side.
Yea he hit .219, but his BABIP was less than .250
Plus, despite the offensive struggles he had over 80 BB’s and I think was in the top 3 in baseball in pitches per plate appearance. Ican certainly see him have a big year in 09.
Maybe his BABIP was so low because he was making shitty contact. The difference between a soft line drive and a hard line drive is often the difference between a hit and an out. That stat isn’t all about luck, it can also tell you about how well he’s hitting the ball.
On a side note, BABIP is more useful for pitchers than hitters, and yet most often you see people using it applied to hitters.
That’s absolutely true and it’s entirely possible that Swisher’s bat has just slowed too much. Maybe he’s hiding and injury, maybe it’s just a mechanical flaw.
It’s not often a 27yr old guy that has previously demonstrated the ability to hit major league pitcher just loses it, which is why eveyone’s banking on a rebound.
Yea but his LD% was higher in 08 than in 07 so it kinda indicate that bad luck was involed.
Hey im not saying he’s a lock to bounce back but the potential is certainly there.
Is he better than Wilson Betemit? Yes. End of story.
I think people don’t like the move just because they have one less thing to bitch about now.
I will laugh if Ozzie decided to make Betemit as their 3B, and not giving Fields a chance.
Ozzie can’t be that dumb. I assume Fields gets the 3B gig, and Betemit replaces Uribe.
true, Betemit could replace Uribe, but if Betemit has a hot spring training then Ozzie will give him the spot.
If he was replacing Betemit, that would be a valid argument. But he’s replacing Giambi. So let me ask you the same question that you just posed-
Is Swisher better than Jason Giambi?
If you count defense and baserunning, Swisher can equal Giambi’s worth. Assuming Swisher bounces back.
Of course not. But Giambi’s going to be 38 in a few months, and just came off a season in which he made more than the final three years on Swisher’s deal combined.
Sorry, Giambi made $21M last year, I thought it was $22M. So he made slightly less than the remaining three years on Swish’s deal.
Throw in the 5 mil buyout and he made 26 mil this year.
Damn, thats a LOT of fake mustaches right there.
That and Swisher might be playing first base. Bust!
I think damon should have gotten some votes for MVP
of course you do.
what does that mean how can u not think so he tremendously hlped the yankees hes one of the biggest reasons we won 88 games
here you go wise guy
pedroia obp = 376
damon obp = 375
pedroia hr = 17
damon hr = 17
pedroia rbi = 83 batting 2nd and 3rd
damon rbi = 71 hitting leadoff
pedroia sb = 20
damon sb = 29
so if pedroia won u tellin me damon didnt even at least deserve SOME votes even for like 10th place or were u just making a jackass comment for no reason like u alwasy do??
Damon’s not gritty enough.
I really hope Gardner can put up some decent numbers.. I hope he shows that he can play at this level.. Itd be nice to see him succeed so we could rely on him and not have a black hole in the lineup
He has a huge supporter in the manager, and hit .294 for the month of August+September this year. He’ll get every chance to win the job out of Spring Training, and it doesn’t look like he’ll have much competition.
But many Yankee fans had tuned them out already after the Red Sox took 2 of 3 at the stadium, so they missed it and still think he hit .161 for the season.
Ha! Love the last sentence. So true.
People act like Gardner is some guy off the street who can run fast and won a job in camp. He was a 3rd round pick, so the Yanks must have liked a lot him for some reason. He also won “best plate discipline” in the Yankee system from BA last year.
He’s always been a slow starter at each level, and most Yankee fans just have zero patience for rookies.
Your two paragraphs are music to my ears! The only thing you left out was “Instincts”, which is one of the things a player has or not…it can’t be taught. Brett will be just fine, if they give him the same chance they gave Melky. 27/09.
Mike,
Can you have a column on that moron Michael Kays hatred for Phil Hughes? Everytime I listen to his radio show and Phil Hughes name is brought up he trashes the living day lights out of him saying that he is the worst pitcher in the history of baseball and that he is a bust like some of these morons who post here write about. And there should be a drinking game on how many times Michael Kay brings up Joba Chamberlains name during Yankee broadcasts.
Lets say Tex re-signs with the LAA as cash doesn’t offer the highest top-dollar. Do you think that increases the chances that cash pursues an OF (adam dunn)?
With cash seemingly disinterested in pursuing Manny or offering Tex a top-dollar AAS, does that increase the chances that we see somebody like Dunn in pinstripes? Is Dunn worth losing the type A draft picks?
Dunn’s a guy that will still be available in January I think. The D-Backs might not even offer him arbitration because they couldn’t afford it if he accepts, so he might not even cost a pick. He’ll also come relatively cheap, however he offers nothing defensively.
Yeah, the D-Backs had to let Unit go and according to reports the other day they cut 10% of their office staff due to the economy.
RJ was willing to take a 50% pay cut to stay with them, so he would have pitched for $5M in 2009. How do you not sign him at that price? You make the money work, trade Chad Tracy or Eric Byrnes for pennies on the dollar if you have too, it would be worth it.
If RJ’s remotely as good as he was this year, he’s a steal at $5M.
maybe the Yankees should sign him. j/k.
now THAT would be a fun day on RAB.
i’m just bringing up Dunn as a possibility b/c MLBTR had a blurb from the Star Ledger that Swisher will play almost exclusively as a 1B. The Star Ledger has got terrific coverage of the club, better than that tabloid Post.
If there’s no Tex or Manny in the works, would you be cool with signing Dunn?
Last thing we need is another corner OFer. I can see some people not liking Gardner, but we have RF/LF pretty set with Damon/Nady/Matsui and Swisher (if we sign Tex and he becomes a super sub).
…….the calm before the storm………..”perhaps”
Lets say Yanks are don’t want Brett or Melky as there starting CF…..what are some viable options?
Uhhh … Damon? As for free agents, there’s … ummm …. Endy Chavez? Maybe Mark Kotsay could play CF until he breaks down in June or July. They’re better off running Gardy out there and seeing what they have in him.
there isn’t much. Cameron perhaps if Sabathia signs elsewhere.
if they signed Teixeira or Dunn, they could use Damon or Swisher in CF, at least part time.
don’t see much else out there on the trade market, but you never know. things could get kooky at the Winter Meetings.
Grady Sizemore.. We’ll give em Hughes IPK Ajax Melky Zmac and Suttle…and that wouldnt do it
You’d have to trade for Cameron.
Trade market … David DeJesus? I don’t know if anybody better is available.
Dayton Moore keeps saying DeJesus is not available, but that could be posturing.
However, DeJesus is a mediocre centerfielder, which is why the Royals play him left, according to the coaches.
DeJesus isn’t any better in CF than Damon
I shoulda included trade options to my question
And Dejesus although not a great centerfielder is better then Damon in centerfield
Hey your gonna have to live with Gardner or Melky at CF. Hey if they can give ya premiun D and hit just enough you can live with it.
I say Endy Chavez.. You remember THE CATCH !
It’s fitting that the most popular and perhaps greatest defensive play in franchise history came in a game they lost to end their season.
You know what I remember most about that game, Wainwright just abusing Beltran with that Curveball to end the game and of course the series. Beautiful.
Knees buckling and all
I’d have rather seen a Dunn signing as opposed to the Swish deal.
Lol… Idk how people hate the Swish deal.. We gave up nothing for him. Like seriously nothing at all..Knock on Wood..Marquez comes up next year and throws 2 no no’s
Only if Varitek signs with the White Sox!!
Your probably right.. Hopefully he doesnt go to either Chicago or Pittsburgh
i don’t get this. even if you want to sign Dunn, you should STILL make the Swisher trade.
there was almost no cost in talent, and his contract is relatively small.
if you are the Yankees, you make the trade and worry about where to play Swisher later.
Yea the Swisher was no brainer period.
Oh, I don’t hate the Swish deal. It’s fine. But I will hate it if $$$$man uses it as an excuse, when there is none from a financial perspective, to not sign Mark Teixeira.
when there is none from a financial perspective
says you.
i am firmly in the sign Teixeira camp, don’t get me wrong, but none of us know 1) what Teixeira will sign for or 2) what the Yankees internally feel they can afford.
The Hancock commercial is great.. “Will Smith is the coolest superhero ever”… Did a 4 year old write that ?
He’s comin out with a new movie called “Seven Pounds”.
I thought “I Am Legend” was a very good movie.
Bad BOys 1 and 2 I loved… Not comparing them to I am Legend or anything I just think they were great
Think they ARE great
Bad Boys was pretty cool.
You eva saw I Am Legend?
NA havent seen it yet.. Gotta get around to it though.
I thought I Am Legend was solid, not great but not bad. Bad Boys 1 & 2 were awesome of course. The highlight of his career is Independence Day though, that was a megablockbuster.
Ya Independence Day was awesome… What about shark tale ? Haha
Didn’t “I Am Legend” was one of his most succesful movies money wise his career? I remember the opening week #’s for the movie were record highs.
I know man, my friends said it was awesome. I think I went to see Juno with my x girl around the same time it came out….. Man fuck that girl
Heh, bitter much?
Juno was awesome.
Idk if I put it up there as awesome
The highlight of his career is probably the Pursuit of Happyness from a content POV. For his wallet, it’s Hancock.
Ali and I Robot weren’t bad either. I Am Legend was good too.
Outside of Wild Wild West, and maybe MIB 2, every movie Smith has done has been a big success. The dude just make blockbusters.
Yeah, no doubt. Will Smith has that ‘it’ factor. He is one of my favorites along with Tom Cruise, Robert DeNiro, Robin Williams, Denzel Washington, George Clooney,……there are others, lol. Uh, Robert Downey Jr.
Michael Clayton was a very good movie with George Clooney.
But I gotta say, What the fuck was Clooney thinkin when he put himself in that god awful “Bat and Robin” movie.
Well, you know that stuff happens to best people like Robert DeNiro in the movie Showtime. Not many people would rebound from a movie like Batman and Robin. If anything, that bad movie emphasizes Clooney’s ability to act.
I thought Michael Clayton was excellent. I also just saw Casino for the first time, another gem.
Best Will Smith movie is Enemy of the State
Nah yo, Hitch is where it’s at.
Eva Mendes!!!!!!1111!!!!!!!11!1
Yo im really lovin this new Ludacris song “One More Drink”. That song is mad hot and funny.
This is a great track
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HBnfWQYUnU
You heard Jay-Z is comin out with Blueprint 3?
Ya I did.. Thought the dude was retired.. Wish Gangstarr would get back together.. Love their stuff
Jay can’t help it. I can’t wait for that album and also Em.
Gangstarr and Premier need to do another album together.
Hopefully, 50 Cent rebounds with this next album. Em is suppose to return with a new style. I can’t wait for that album. Stat Quo is suppose to come out along with Detox. Busta Rhymes comes next year too. Big year for the rap game.
Im not a 50 cent fan. I neva thought he was that nice of a rapper.
Nevertheless, 50’s next album is huge for his career though considering that his last album “Curtis” sucked and Kanye West just destroyed him in album sales when 50 was talkin shit and etc.
50 already has mad dough.. Hes not too worried lol
Jay-Z is def real good no doubt.. King Mathers is EM’s new one right ? I hope he goes back to his old style a bit
Nah his new album is called Relaspe.
When’s the new UTFO album gonna drop?
newsday:
The Blue Jays already have offered a four-year, $54-million deal to retain Burnett, according to the Toronto Star. The Yankees’ offer is expected to top the Blue Jays’ in average annual value. However, a source shot down a report that the Yankees would offer five years and $80 million. They will not make an opening bid of more than four years or anywhere near $80 million, the source said.
OMG CASHMAN IS TEH SUCKS!!111!! I CAN’T BELIEVE THEY WENT $80M FOR 5 YEARS!111!!
signed,
every yankee fan on earth 6 hours ago
Oh thank God.
I had a funny feeling George King wasnt accurate.. I still think hes a yank tho
I just hope Burnett isn’t a Yank.
Sox are going for Burnett too now huh
how is that possible? Theo is a genius and Cashman is a moron. yet signing Burnett can’t be both smart AND stupid.
Anything Theo Einstein does is pure genious.. Him being GM is unfair for the rest of the league because he has genetic abilities of the gods
What pitchers are out there that could be had via trade? Maybe those who’s value is down. Eric Bedard was being floated mid-season after a very subpar introductions to the AL West. With new leadership in Seattle could they be looking for a fresh start?
What about a Dontrelle Willis project? I’ve heard the Sox have an interest in him. He strikes me as someone who Eiland and his minor league staff could get back into form.
I’d love to see Cashman return to his late 90s roots of finding undervalued talent (O’Neil, Brosious, Tino, etc). I think Swisher could be along these lines, but would love to snag a pitcher who could round out the rotation nicely without breaking the bank or sacrificing the farm.
Thoughts??
most of the bullpen was constructed this way. Aceves could maybe fit this definition.
the only other way to get a starter on the cheap is probably to sign a guy coming off an injury. someone like Colon maybe.
Bedard no good.. He wont be back till midseason I believe
tino oneill both came way before cashman was gm but i like dontrelle we should get him and try to get him back to cy young form
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related
for steve different one
pedroia obp = 376
damon obp = 375
pedroia hr = 17
damon hr = 17
pedroia rbi = 83 batting 2nd and 3rd
damon rbi = 71 hitting leadoff
pedroia sb = 20
damon sb = 29
so if pedroia won u tellin me damon didnt even at least deserve SOME votes even for like 10th place or were u just making a jackass comment for no reason like u alwasy do??
So your argument may prove that Pedroia shouldn’t have won it. But Damon would have been 3rd on the Yankees, a non-playoff team. Name your Top 10, Damon should be nowhere near top 10.
it is that pedroia shouldnt have won it what i am saying is that there are several players on a lot of teams (damon) that had extremely similar numbers that nobody even thought about
i guess my point is that if a guy like pedroia finsishes 1st then a guy like damon should at the very least get some 10th place voets
No, because there are way more than 10 players ahead of Damon on the MVP list. Just because the writers make 1 (or several) mistakes doesn’t mean the whole vote will be a mistake. The #’s you have are close (but limited). Pedroia was a better player. So were A-Rod, Abreu, Youk, Sizemore, Longoria, Mauer, Morneau, Quentin, Kinsler, Hamilton, etc, etc, etc.
2B. LF.
please stop.
so if pedroia won u tellin me damon didnt even at least deserve SOME votes even for like 10th place or were u just making a jackass comment for no reason like u alwasy do??
yes, i was just making a jackass comment AS USUAL, but i admit that i thought you meant Damon should have gotten some FIRST PLACE votes.
which is absurd.
but now that you clarified, i take it back.
Say no to Dontrelle. For whatever reason, the Tigers gave him a 3 or 4 year extension above market value. He’d just be a Pavano-like albatross.
Unless we could dump an albatross contract back on them, which we have a lot less of than we used to.
igawa
compared to dontrelle’s contract, igawa’s is nothing…no comparison…
the simple truth is that we don’t really have any albatross contracts anymore…hopefully jorgie comes back strong and we don’t regret that one, but until then, we’re clear…
Im not saying I want this but you do you think are the odds of Pettite not re-signing and an open competion for the 5th rotation spot?
Cause I have a feeling this is going to happen
I know it’s probably the minority, especially b/c i LOVE Pettite, but i think that ship may have sailed. With Mussina likely out there could well be a competition… that or a big incentive laden deal for Sheets (who i have always liked and would like to see the Yanks make a run at).
I’d have no problem with Phil, IPK, the Mexican Gangster, and Giese fighting it out for the 5th spot. At least one of them would prove to be an adequate 5th starter.
Id rather see Lowe in a red sox uni than Burnett
he already was… when we lost gaem 7….
Really ? …jus playin.. I just think Burnett would be better for them than Lowe would be now… Id rather have us face Lowe than Burnett ya know what I mean
cuz we cant hit brnett for reasons i cant rfigure out cuz the rest of the league does ok against him
Then the Sox could throw one-year-plus-option deals at Pavano and Penny to recreate that 03′ magic from south Florida.
Where’s Mark Redman when you need him? what about Ugueth Urbina? Oh wait …
Heh, remember the Pudge-Urbina kiss?
http://tinyurl.com/5nw582
Did you know Urbina’s full name is Ugueth Urtain Urbina? Quite possibly the worst name ever.
Kinda funny to think the guy in that picture was later charged with attempted murder.
Not just charged, convicted.
Of course Burnett, shockingly enough, was injured that year. But there are the Willis rumors as well. And who owned that team? Sox owner John (Mr. Burns) Henry himself.