Open Thread: Who’s paying attention?


This, my friends, is the current poll up on FOX Sports’ MLB frontpage:

That’s been up on their site for the past two days, and of the ~23,000 people who’ve voted, 11% feel Jake Peavy is the best remaining free agent. 2,530 of FOX Sports’ readers are idiots. The three of us are so happy and proud that we’re fortunate enough to have such smart readers. Seriously. You guys are the best.

Here’s your open thread for the night. You’ve got the Knicks at home taking on the Bucks, and Anchorman on TBS at 9pm.

Categories : Open Thread


  1. TheLastClown says:

    Yuck, who could realistically think Jake Peavy is a FA?? Hell, if he has a good season in ’09, he’ll probably win the ROY, but FA is a long way in that boy’s future

  2. Matt says:

    That is just….wow. This is why fans should have to take a test before voting for the All-Star Game.

  3. gg says:

    Wow im so honored to be the first one to write on the night’s open thread…I’d like to say this is my favorite Yankee blog…great stuff here…

    ESPN reported Tex wants 195mil now over 8 yrs….I think the Yanks should leave it alone hes not worth that

    I much rather have Manny on a fat two year deal

  4. Tim says:

    How could Fox leave this on their website for two days, they are just plain stupid. Anyway, I hope the Yanks get Teixeira he would be the last piece for the 2009 world champions, The New York Yankees.

  5. Matthew says:

    What time zone are you in? I think it’s 8 in NY….

    And yeah, Peavy as a free agent, please, FOX Sports is such a bad site…

  6. Sweet Dick Willie says:

    Does Fox employ BBWAA writers?

  7. gg says:

    fox sports is for casual fans….apparently some of them a little too casual….he shouldnt have been on the poll at all and thats the writers fault not the stupid fans.

    I think its important however to establish that as far as baseball reporting Fox is a helluva lot better than ESPN who is just a total joke

    • Matthew says:

      On a whole maybe, but espn has a few guys I really love….

      • gg says:

        ESPN has some guys who provide great analysis but they are never first to actually REPORT anything…they regurgitate other people’s reports, make bad generalizations and have too much bias to even seriously approach what they do as journalists…they are good at making money however and have great NFL and NBA coverage

        • Mike Pop says:

          Keith Law is great. Myself, I like to read and listen to Olney

          • Ryan S. says:

            I watch SportsCenter every night and go to several times a day. Once you can separate the bullshit from the guys who actually know what they’re talking about, they’ve got quality in-depth articles.

            KLaw, Neyer, and Olney all know their shit when it comes to baseball. Olney is the “Yankee guy” much like Gammons is the “Red Sox guy”…the only difference is that Olney doesn’t suck the organization’s cock and or act like a spin doctor for free. Jayson Stark and Jerry Crasnick are also really good baseball guys and are pretty in line with my own baseball perceptions.

            In terms of football, Cris Mortenson and John Clayton are totally in the know. Mort is awesome, I love that guy.

            • Mike Pop says:

              Olney wrote for the Yankees I believe..

              Dude one of the best things on NFL LIVe last year or 2 years ago was when ?Sean Salisbury? called Clayton the crip-keeper.

    • Sweet Dick Willie says:

      thats the writers fault not the stupid fans

      But, 2,530 of the fans VOTED for him! While “stupid” may be a little harsh, I think it’s safe to say they are “mentally challenged”.

  8. Jake H says:

    LOL I just laughed when I saw that.

  9. Mike Pop says:

    By the Beard of Zeus! Weather blows tonight, looks like Im watching Anchorman at 9

  10. gg says:

    Do other people think we could snag Manny on a 2yr? I think we could seeing as it looks like we only will have to outbid stingy McCourt out in LA…I would go to 2/50 or whatever I had to in order to sign him, maybe throw in some bonuses for staying in shape and healthy. Angels won’t get in I dont think now that they resigned Juan Rivera…I suppose the Nats might be something to worry about unless Peter Gammons just made that up which you never know

    • Jake H says:

      No way will Manny do a 2 year deal. He had a 2 year deal with an option for a 3rd year from the dodgers and didn’t even speak with them. I believe that the dodgers would offer that again so I don’t think a 2 year deal would get it done.

      • gg says:

        options only worth as much as the buyout on it….we could do that too on our offer to the slugger….we could also offer more money for yrs 1 and 2 than they would…they were only at 2/45 and i think that includes the buyout, we could pay him 26 a yr and a 2 miill buyout if we dont want to pick up the option which would equate to 2/54…big difference and McCourt might match but wouldnt do so without hesitation and Manny wants to a Yankee I bet

        • Ryan S. says:

          Giambi got paid 21 mil and had a buyout worth 4 or 5 mil. Think more along the lines of a 6 mil buyout / 25 mil option

          • Matt says:

            I’d rather just give 3 years guaranteed to Dunn.

            • Ryan S. says:

              Manny is just such a better hitter than Dunn … and Dunn is an above average slugger, I fully realize and appreciate that, and I’d definitely rather have Dunn than no new bats at all. Still, Manny, for all the extra media attention (big deal) and defensive shortcomings he’d add to the team in some form, is an absurd bat. The media bullshit is a non-factor in NY since it would be there anyway, he’d just be taking some of the attention away from other superstars. I do not think he’d be a distraction, not anymore than A-Rod and his next TMZ story du jour. At the end of the day, Manny would help this team more than any other free agent, because his bat transcends all that bullshit. He’s just that good.

              • Matt says:

                I wouldn’t be unhappy with Manny, don’t get me wrong. I just like that Dunn is cheaper and entering his prime years.

                The media thing and his behavior issues, whatever, I don’t care about those when it comes to Manny. He’s just too good to worry about that too much.

          • gg says:

            so if you up the buyout to 4mil with 26 gaurenteed yrs 1 and 2 that brings the total package to 56, even if its a 6mil buyout, 58…McCourt is not going to go that high unless his wife makes him

          • gg says:

            so if you up the buyout to 4mil with 26 gaurenteed yrs 1 and 2 that brings the total package to 56, even if its a 6mil buyout, 58…McCourt is not going to go that high unless his wife makes him, they’ve already signed blake and furcal, and need another starter I believe, even if they were cheap with a pitcher I dont think Manny is in the budget after the Furcal move

            • Ryan S. says:

              Oh I’m with ya buddy. I’ll take an overpriced Manny for 2 years over a slightly less overpriced Manny for 3. Still, I see someone offering him a 3 year deal. If it truly is just between a Dodger 2 year deal and us though, we could make that happen.

    • Ryan S. says:

      I think the Angels are still in the running for Manny, and unless they get Tex, I bet we’ll have to end up going 3 years if we want the guy. I think he’s definitely worth going 3 years if that is what it takes. A 2 year deal would be unbelievable though.

      • gg says:

        I dont think they would have signed Rivera if they planned on missing out on Tex and signing Manny….they have: Hunter, GMJ, Willits, Rivera, and Vladi who had surgery and pretty much needs to DH from what I’ve heard, despite his cannon

        • Ryan S. says:

          If my man Vlad needs to DH than yeah, no need for Manny. I know Vlad is getting old and banged up but I think the guy still has enough in him to be play the field for at least another year.

          • gg says:

            I like Vladi too, think we’d already have 27 by now had we made that move when it was there and he was still agile….and gosh I hate gary sheff, I want to see his carrer playout as pathetically as possible

  11. steve (different one) says:


  12. gg says:

    On the whole Peavy note, I’m really glad the Yanks didnt seriously try to enter the frey…Hes in part a product of Petco, hes got good stuff, but I think our new #2 Burnett if healthy is better

  13. gg says:

    Wow, that felt great to write, its going to be sooooo cool to have good starting pitching for a change, I hope the offense is there

  14. mustang says:

    The way you guys run the site it attracts good commentary the credit goes to you.
    Well done.

  15. Yankeegirl49 says:

    That is pretty pathetic that Fox sports would have that up there.

    Do you know who must be watching the Teixeira story while drooling? Pujols…if Tex gets 180, let alone 194, what is he worth???

    I love Tex, I have since his Texas days and wanted the Yanks to sign him before CC, but not for that much. Look at his stats, they are very similar to Tino Martinez when he was with the Yanks, and I could not imagine Tino getting nearly what Teixeira is going to get.

  16. Billy Beane says:

    i’m sorry i just had to go over the fox sports and click on peavy–it’s still at 11% though.

  17. pat says:

    i just passed the series 7 and now im gonna go eat a whole wheel of cheese best of luck this weekend RABBERS

  18. Yankeegirl49 says:

    Blake…thats for darn sure! LOL

  19. Dan says:

    what’s your answer to the impossible question in the December 6th picture??

  20. Mike A. says:;game=4

    Screen of the New Stadium in MLB 09: The Show. Here’s the article it came from:

  21. Alan says:

    Can I make a write-in vote for Edinson Volquez?

  22. TurnTwo says:

    ah, anchorman, the memories… me and the wifey’s first date several years ago.

  23. skadoosh says:

    These are exactly the people who vote for the big names in the all-star game vs the guys who actually deserve it. You think Manny would be a plus for arod? Maybe take some of the spotlight and pressure off him.

  24. mustang says:

    Ken Rosenthal:
    “The return of free-agent left-hander Andy Pettitte to the Yankees is “virtually inevitable,” according to a source with knowledge of the pitcher’s intentions. While a deal is not imminent, it is believed that the two sides will eventually come to an agreement on a one-year deal.”

    This along with the reports that the Yankees are not interested in Sheets plus Girardi saying that he talked with Andy this week and he wants to come back makes me feel good. I know some of you are down on him, but I think he will do well as a 5th starter.
    It was a good week to be a Yankees fan.

  25. UWS says:

    I’ll just say one thing and risk being banninated forever:

    GO DEVILS!!!

  26. Mike A. says:

    OMG, ESPN’s new beta blows.

  27. Matt says:

    I’m on right now? I don’t believe you.

  28. Mike Pop says:

    Ed Harkin laughing there was great. Then when Ron yells so loud… Omg man great

  29. Steve says:

    Looks like the Red Sox are backtracking big time from the Henry e-mail from last night. Once again, writers seem to be buying into it. I bet Henry replied to the wrong e-mail, and an honest answer that was supposed to go to someone in the Red Sox hierarchy wound up being sent to a bunch of reporters.

    Tex to the Sox never made sense to me from day 1, for a variety of reasons. I think they were (so publicly) involved because they believed that the Yanks would end up with him, and wanted to drive up the price. With the departure of Giambi that’s a reasonable assessment, but I think its wrong. I don’t believe the Yanks will swoop in at the last minute, I still think the Angels wind up with Tex.

    I’ve come to the conclusion the Yanks do want to keep 1B open, but not for Posada or Jeter as has been reported. They will want to put A-Rod there in a few years, once he reaches 35 or thereabouts.

    • Mike Pop says:

      John Henry is calling Boras’ bluff.

      • Steve says:

        Nah, they’re a stalking horse and have been since Day 1.

        Answer me this. When has Theo EVER given a contract out that was longer than 4 years? I can’t think of one myself, and from everything I know about Theo, he doesn’t believe in them.

      • Ryan S. says:

        It wouldn’t be the first time he’s done it … and it wouldn’t be the first time Boras was really telling the truth either.

        In regards to what Steve was saying about our future at 1B…A-Rod could make sense. I think Rodriguez will stay at 3rd base for a while still though. Put it like this: after Posada retires and Jeter gets moved to the outfield, A-Rod will still be at the hot corner.

        • Steve says:

          Exactly. I think Jeter to LF will be a big issue next off season, since his contract comes up after the 2010 season. The Yanks will want to see him play LF before they give him a 3-4 year extension, so he will need to be out there for the 2010 season.

          Which also would mean that they will need a SS after 2009, and judging by the free agents next year


          . . it would have to be a trade

          • Matt says:

            Alright what if Jeter does the unthinkable….tries to find a place that will let him play SS instead of moving positions for the Yankees? I mean, I highly doubt that happens but what if? I mean, the dude’s ego is pretty big….

            As for him in LF, I’d assume by that time, his offense won’t be enough to put him at a premium offensive position.

            Not to mention, IF (big if?) Holliday has a nice 2009 w/Oak., does Cash make a run at him for 2010?

            • Steve says:

              I don’t see Derek going anywhere.

              I agree that his bat doesn’t really translate to a corner OF spot, but its worse at 1B and 3B is taken. We had Damon out there in 2007 and scored plenty of runs, so I’m sure the Yanks feel they will get plenty of hitting elsewhere.

              The alternative is leaving Jeter at SS and giving him an extension that takes him through age 40. I don’t think that’s a acceptable option at a premium defensive position. When Damon/Matsui leave and Jeter has his deal coming due, its the perfect time to address this.

              • Matt says:

                Yeah leaving him at SS that long would just be unacceptable unless he turns into Omar Vizquel or something. Putting him at an offensive position he’s not suited for is the lesser of two evils, compared to keeping him at SS.

                Guess we’ll just have to wait and see. IF Holliday ends up in left field, though, I think Jeter will probably stay at short.

              • Ryan S. says:

                Jeter is definitely not going anywhere. He will retire a Yankee, end of discussion. I’m curious how long his contract extension is going to be … Pete Rose played until his mid-40s, could Jeter argue he wants to, and deserves to, do the same thing?

                • Matt says:

                  I think it’ll be 3-4 years, maybe 5 if it helps him reach 3K hits.

                  But, yeah, Jeter at an ill-fitting offensive position is better than Jeter at an ill-fitting defensive position.

                • Steve says:

                  Can you imagine the 2015 Yankees with a 41 year old Jeter and a 40 year old A-Rod?

                  Yikes. Every day is old timer’s day.

                • Matt says:


                • Ryan S. says:

                  I really don’t see Jeter getting less than a 5 year deal – we’re going to be dumb and hook him up big time. At least a 40 year old A-Rod is still going to be productive as a DH. 41 year old Jeter? Not so much.

              • whozat says:

                “We had Damon out there in 2007 and scored plenty of runs, so I’m sure the Yanks feel they will get plenty of hitting elsewhere. ”

                But they already have Damon and had to do something with him. This would be signing a novice LFer whose bat is below average for the position. On purpose.

                • Steve says:

                  Your alternative is . . . . . . . ?

                  Leave him at SS for another 4 years-No

                  Let him leave and play elsewhere-No

                  First Base?-If his bat is sub par in LF, what would that make it at 1B?

                  Third Base-Seems to be taken.

                • Matt says:

                  Well, you could move Swish to a corner OF spot, A-Rod to first, Jeter to third. Not saying it’s gonna happen, just saying it could.

                • Ryan S. says:

                  Honest question, I really have no clue: Can Jeter realistically play 3rd until the end of his career? As in, when he’s anywhere between the ages of 40 and 42 years old?

                • Matt says:

                  Well, he could. But, let’s be honest, do we HAVE to play him every day at that point? What if has a Brooks Robinson type fall off? He wasn’t an every day player by the end of his career, maybe Jeter wouldn’t be. Meh, I guess we’ll have to just wait and see. There’s nothing else we can do.

                • Steve says:

                  Jeter probably could play 3B, but I can’t see them asking A-Rod (who’s a better player) to move AGAIN. That’s treating Alex like a 2nd class citizen, and they’re not going to do that to him. The reality is, with the money they have committed to Alex, he’s more important to the franchise than Jeter is at this point in their careers.

                  Jeter to LF makes the most sense.

                • Matt says:

                  That’s fair enough. But if, somehow, A-Rod’s health comes into question in the future and it helps preserve him long enough to make a run at 800 homers, they’ll both do it.

                • Ryan S. says:

                  Would there be anything wrong with playing Jeter in LF until A-Rod needs to move due to his own deficiencies, and than slot Jeter into 3rd only at that time? Or is that crazy talk?

  30. Chris says:

    Just a thought, but do you think they could convince Tex to take a 1/$35M or 2/$60M? You’d be dumping a lot of money on him, but it would only be for a short commitment. From Tex’s perspective he would get a bunch of money now and become a FA again when he’s still in his prime, and most likely the economy will have recovered and more teams might be willing to jump in on him.

    • Steve says:

      People ask these questions every year, and stuff like this rarely happens. Players and agents look at contracts less in AAV and more as total money offered. Baseball contracts are all guaranteed, and players careers are short and at times uncertain. So the way Tex/Boras look at that is 35-60 mil vs 180 mil. Its a no brainer, and you don’t hire Boras to get you a deal like that.

      • Ryan S. says:

        Unless you’re Andruw Jones … and he was LUCKY to get a deal like that.

        • Steve says:

          Actually, he’s a great example of why agents and players take the guaranteed money. He’s 31 and is pretty much finished as a MLB player. You never know.

          • Ryan S. says:

            Yup, but his free agency came one year too late. Its amazing how fast that guy was breaking down, and obviously Atlanta knew it. Nobody was going long term on him, but he’s getting paid as much as Ichiro in ’08 and ’09 is. That’s all Boras right there…at least he got his boy something for nothing.

    • Mike Pop says:

      Naw, if he can get 180 now there is no reason to take it.. Unless you do some stupid shit like 3 years 120 lol

  31. 27 this year says:

    lohud has CC and AJ’s contract details.

  32. Mike Pop says:

    Manny is coming to the Bronx man.

  33. [...] this means they still have enough money left to pursue free agent pitcher Jake Peavy? (h/t to reader John Kilfeather for the screen [...]

  34. Joey H says:

    Yeah a free agent you’ll apparently have to dump out your farm system to get.

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