Jan
28

Poor Bobby lowers his contract demands

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From the beginning of the off-season we knew that Bobby Abreu’s preference was to remain a Yankee. That was not the team’s preference, though. The acquisitions of Nick Swisher and Mark Teixeira essentially spell the end of any reunion talks, giving Abreu even less leverage in a free agent market saturated with corner outfielders. That three-year, $48 million pipe-dream he was seeking earlier this winter? Gone, according to ESPN.com’s Jerry Crasnick (h/t MLBTR). Instead, he’ll seek a deal more in line with Raul Ibanez and Milton Bradley.

Sadly to say, I don’t think any teams are going to bite even at that price. There are just too many teams that can’t afford him at that price. The Angels could, but why would they pay $30 million for Abreu when there don’t seem to be any other offers? A week ago Chico Harlan of the Washington Post quoted an executive who thought Adam Dunn “will get a max of $5 million per year.” I’m surprised the same wasn’t said about Bobby Abreu.

This was just a bad time for Bobby to become a free agent. It’s not only the market in general. It’s hitting free agency at the same time as five other corner outfielders. It’s the fact that he’s 35 years old and has seen a diminished OBP and walk rate over the past two years. It’s the recent and prominent criticisms of his defense. It’s all come together at once and it’s working against Bobby getting anything more than a one-year deal.

Before long Bobby will find a new home, and it will probably be a one-year layover until he has to do this all over again next off-season. Maybe then he’ll find a few takers at a price more in line with how he values himself. Seeing as he’ll be another year older, I don’t think that will be the case.

Categories : Hot Stove League
  • Manimal

    Poor Bobby, I really liked him. I still would take him over Nady.

    • Slugger27

      not me, but i did like him…. i hope he has a great year, as long as its not in the al east

      • Manimal

        He guarantees a .300, 100 RBI year, sure hes getting old and he plays terrible outfield but Nady had a career year last year and he still performed worse than Abreu

        • Slugger27

          right… but look at abreu’s runs below replacement for defense and runs above replacement for offense…. then look at nady’s…. not to mention nadys entering his prime and bobby stands to only decline

          when u compare the 6.5M the yanks will pay nady in 09 and what he projects to do with the 16M the yanks paid bobby to do last year… id say its a slight upgrade if not a significant one

          but we do agree on this… bobby was a good player and probably went underappreciated during his time here… i wish him the best

          • RollingWave

            actually, similar money wise, Abreu’s still probably a better bet for a variety of reason.

            • Mike Pop

              I’m with Manimal here. I would take Bobby and trade away Nady.

              • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                Not remotely. Nady is league average defensively. Bobby is atrocious defensively. Whatever benefit you get from Bobby over Nady offensively is utterly negated by the cost defensively. And that’s assuming that Bobby doesn’t decline further offensively (or, for that matter, defensively), both of which are very good bets.

                Money aside, Nady is probably equal to Bobby. Add in age difference/decline, and Nady’s now better than Bobby. Add money back into the equation, and it’s Nady by a landslide.

                • Mike Pop

                  I disagree. We are all expecting Nady to be about his career average next year and nothing like he did in 08(mostly with Pitt) and not here in NY. Abreu had a solid year last year even in a declining phase. So if you could get Bobby for a 1 year 7 million and then deal Nady for a couple young position guys, I think it is a good deal.

                  09 Abreu for 1 mill more then X+Prospects in return for Nady>09 Nady and his average defense.

                  I’m not saying he would take a 1 year but Olney just said he is open to it now. Also if he can put up good numbers for the Yanks, he will be noticed more. But that is only my opinion on this subject.

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Okay, good points.

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  I just don’t like how it weakens our defense. I like being able to give Swisher or Damon a day off at the corners and not have a bad fielder out there.

                • Mike Pop

                  I hear ya man but I would be willing to take that risk. Also it would be nice to have his bat there while Melky or Gardner is in the 9th hole. I am not worried about the offense and don’t think this is a necessary move at all but I like the idea of improving the farm system(especially with positional players) while not losing any depth on the major league level. Also when defense is a key factor like in the playoffs, you can have BG, Damon, and Swish out there while having either Bobby or Hideki at DH. Now if this idea could apply to Dunn by getting him on a 1 year deal, I would much prefer him over Abreu but I doubt Dunn would accept that role. Matsui will probably go down turning around 1st(sarcasm) and we could put Abreu as the DH. A role that wouldbe great for him at this stage of his career.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

    He still wants a three-year deal. That too is going to be a major sticking point, I have to believe.

    • Slugger27

      i cant imagine anyone giving him that…

      though, to be fair, i thought the same for ibanez

      • steve (different one)

        i don’t think it’s fair to use Ibanez’s deal as any sort of measuring stick.

        that was simply a terrible deal, and will be seen as an outlier when the offseason is over.

        Abreu is not getting 3 years from anyone, and may not get 2.

        he’s delusional.

        i agree that he was a great yankee, and i wouldn’t mind if he were back AS THE DH, but it’s almost February. how many teams have room in their budgets for a 3 year contract?

        he makes the most sense for the Mets, and i think that’s where he’ll end up.

  • http://poormansanalyst.wordpress.com/ dan

    You think the Mets would give him 2 years, $22 million?

    • Slugger27

      i like the fit… if the cubs have some wiggle room i like him there too… fuku is a joke

  • radnom

    Adam Dunn’s max is NOT $5 million a year. I garentee that.

    Ask yourself this, how many teams would sign Dunn right this second for <= $5 mil.

    Is it more than 1?
    Yes.

    Is it more than 3?
    Yes.

    He would get what he was probably hoping going into the offseason, but I’m sick of hearing this number tossed around like its his ceiling.

    The worst was Nomaas, seriously suggesting we trade Matsui and eat $8 million and then sign Dunn using the $5 million we saved on Matsui.
    Ummm, so who exactly is going to trade for the privileged to pay Matsui $5 million next year when they just could have signed Dunn for the same price??

    • radnom

      *He WON’T get what he was probably hoping going into the offseason

    • Slugger27

      i didnt see that post from them, but if true yes that is ridiculous… no team would pay matsui 5 million to DH when they could pay dunn the same amount

      dunn wasnt even offered arb so theres no 1st round pick to lose either… makes no sense…. im confident dunn will wind up getting 2/20 from someone

    • A.D.

      Basically there are some serious Dunn hating GM/baseball people. That’s who you’d trade Matsui to.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Yes, but Matsui’d never accept a trade to Toronto, would he?

  • Ed

    It’s not only the market in general. It’s hitting free agency at the same time as five other corner outfielders.

    6 corner outfielders hitting free agency at the same time is what defines the market in general. There aren’t 6 teams looking for a big name corner outfielders, so there aren’t any bidding wars. Without bidding wars, salaries go down.

    • Slugger27

      agreed… dunn is still young, so if i was him i would take a 1 yr deal and hope the market is better next offseason

      as far as bobby goes… id take anything i could get at this point, and if someone offered 2/18 or 1/10 or somethin like that id jump on it

      geez… how smart does cashman and the FO look for declining arb?

      • Ed

        geez… how smart does cashman and the FO look for declining arb?

        Actually, I think this news makes Cashman look worse. If Abreu is only now realizing he’s not getting a 3/$48m contract, then he almost certainly wouldn’t have accepted arbitration. Yeah, paying Abreu $16m would’ve been bad, but the risk of having to do that looks like it was near zero.

    • steve (different one)

      exactly.

      the market was FLOODED with corner OFers and closers.

      some of us tried to make this argument when the Yankees declined to offer arbitration and we were called idiots.

      supply and demand. it ain’t rocket science.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Furthermore, many of the clubs who were interested in corner outfielders, like the Mets, Braves, and Angels, had bigger priorities (like the starting rotation and bullpen) that they had to address before they considered adding a OF/DH bat, and limited budgets to fit all those priorities into.

  • Pastafarian

    I wouldn’t mind seeing him back as a Yankee, but I guess it won’t happen unless he’s willing to take a huge pay cut.

    • Spaceman.Spiff

      I think that ship has sailed no matter how big of a pay cut he would take.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        No room left on the 25-man for him (adding him would require dumping somebody who’s better than he is).

        • Pastafarian

          Swisher is better than him??

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Hands down, yes.

  • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

    I feel bad for Bobby…I mean, I’d kill to get a one year/$5 million contract at any job, but Bobby is a likable guy with solid offensive numbers.

    He became a FA at the worst time possible.

    • dkidd

      i know the economy is bad, but you cant tell me there’s not collusion going right now

      • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

        …you’re kidding, right?

        Why on earth would the owners collude against Bobby?

        Bonds is one thing, but Bobby’s never been accused of anything more serious than being afraid of the wall…

        • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

          I think he just means in general, there’s a fishy smell going around. He thinks, I believe, that the owners are getting on the “well the economy is awful” bandwagon in being very cheap w/players when they could probably offer bigger contracts. Obviously, I can’t read dkidd’s mind but Ihtink that’swhat he’s getting at.

      • Sweet Dick Willie

        but you cant tell me there’s not collusion going right now

        Is it collusion when Microsoft, a company that actually turned a profit last quarter, announces layoffs? No, it’s because they think the economy will continue to suck going forward.

        Are you aware that MLB attendance was lower in 2008 than it was in 2007? Do you think MLB attendance will increase or decrease in 2009?

        In a recent post, Ben pointed out that the Yankees hired a high-end real estate firm to help sell the unsold luxury suites.

        Maybe, just maybe, the owners are acting prudently for a change.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        i know the economy is bad, but you cant tell me there’s not collusion going right now

        A market collapse is not the same as collusion.

        There’s not hundreds of vacant homes in South Florida because homebuyers have banded together in collusion to force home prices down. There’s just not enough people in a financial position to be able to buy.

      • MattG

        I can. I don’t think its unreasonable to assume that 30 business men have come to the same conclusion as 300 million americans–gee, I better be more careful with my money.

        What’s more, Derek Lowe got $60M from Atlanta. You might want to dismiss the Yankee spending, as they have always marched to their own beat, but go ahead and explain Atlanta.

        • Ed

          Not only that, but Atlanta’s offer to Burnett was I believe $80m, only a hair less than the Yankees offer. The Nationals and Red Sox made competitive offers to Tex, and he Angels weren’t that far behind with their offer.

          The Dodgers made Manny a good offer, which he hasn’t taken because he’s looking for the type of offer you only get when there’s a crazy bidding war.

          Baseball teams are still spending when it makes sense. But when the supply of players is greater than the demand for them, prices go down. That’s just standard economics, regardless of the strength of the economy.

    • steve (different one)

      I feel bad for Bobby…

      Abreu…total career earnings:

      $92.4M

      i know what you mean, but still….

      he was a great Yankee, but unless they clear the DH spot for him, he doesn’t fit.

      the people who are comparing him to Nady are missing the point that Nady is currently the Yankees’ 4th OFer. and he’s probably the best 4th OFer in the league.

      so unless you are moving Swisher to the bench (or playing him or Damon in CF, which i don’t think is the direction they are leaning), i don’t think Abreu fits.

      because Abreu isn’t going to sign on in a bench role. nor should he.

  • dkidd

    also, totally off topic, but just watched the 82 brewers recap on mlb network. rollie fingers 1981 stats are ridiculous!

  • jim p

    If Bobby can’t get what he wants here, likeable guy that he is, he can always return to Venezuela if he wishes and still be a big star. I’ve a Venezuelan-born friend who is a true baseball fanatic. Mention Bobby and he goes off on the high regard he is held back home.

    The only complaint I had is his over-cautious outfield play, which I think cost 2 or 3 games last year. Other than that he’s pretty good, and seems to be a real nice person too.

  • MasterShake

    This is wrong!!! I shouldn’t be made to feel bad about a multi-millionaire being paid a few million dollars less in the upcoming years. Sure he’s a good guy, but so am I!!!!!

    • Yankees Ben

      i wish i had that problem of only being able to sign a 1 year 5 million dollar deal….

      • http://morehardball.blogspot.com B-Dizzle

        Me too!

  • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

    Don’t feel too bad for Bobby, he’s been hideously overpaid for the past 3 years.

    That’s why Gillick got NOTHING in return for him in 06, because he wasn’t even worth what he was making (16 mil).

    • steve (different one)

      that’s not really why Gillick got nothing.

      he got nothing b/c Abreu had a blanket no-trade clause and refused to waive it for anyone but the Yankees, Mets, Red Sox, or Angels.

      the other teams passed, so Cashman was the only one at the table.

      Abreu wasn’t all that overpaid in 2006 and 2007, at least according to this:

      http://www.fangraphs.com/stats.....osition=OF

      • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

        Maybe we have a different definition of “Hideous”, but I think 16 mil over 3 years is pretty bad.

  • Sweet Dick Willie

    http://www.fangraphs.com/stats.....osition=OF

    According to Fangraphs, Bobby was paid $13.6 mil in ’06 and was worth $12.5 mil. In ’07, paid $15 mil, worth $11.6, and in ’08, paid $16 mil, worth $5.7.

    So he was overpaid the last 3 years, but only horribly overpaid last year. Which is probably why Cash decided not to offer him arbitration.

  • Bo

    I wonder how long it is before the union starts throwing the word collusion around. The owners are obviously using the economy as cover for it. The Angels must be leading the way because it is ridiculous that they haven’t improved that horrible offense.

    • A.D.

      They already have, minor stuff, but I’ve seen it brought up

    • Ed

      The owners are certainly using the economy as cover, but not for collusion. If you tell the fans “We’re not signing big free agents because our core team is so bad that we’d still have a losing record,” they hate you. If you say “We’re not signing big free agents because the economy sucks,” they give you a free pass because they can relate to it.

      As for the Angels, look at their roster. They’re stacked with pitching, so there was no need for them to sign a free agent pitcher. They have a good bullpen, but they still gave out the 2nd biggest contract of the winter to a closer. They made a run for Tex. They have 3 outfielders with 8 digit salaries for next season, plus other capable cheap outfielders. Tex was the only free agent that significantly improved the team without creating other problems.

  • MattG

    Sorry to go off-topic, but I feel the need to mention this!

    Pirates Close To Deal With Eric Hinske
    By Drew Silva [January 27 at 11:22pm CST]

    Its says $1-2M plus incentives. I am sorry, but Hinske is a better fit for this Yankee roster than Xavier Nady, at a more affordable price. I read somewhere that Nady is unlikely to be a type A in the off-season, so when looking at this role, you need to only consider who would be better for 2009. Hinske, swinging left-handed from 4 positions, and comparable with the bat, is the better option. It would even make sense to trade Nady for a prospect and sign Hinske.

    I don’t know–maybe Pittsburgh figures to give him a semi-regular role, but I am disappointed the Yankees are apparently not even talking to him. It is a marginal upgrade, to be sure, but if A-Rod has a DL stint this year, Hinske might mean a win over Cody Ransom at third base (I wonder if A-Rod would play SS if Jeter went on the DL, and Hinske was available for 3B).

    • Yank Crank 20

      It’s not that easy, our 40 man roster is completely full. I like Hinske and also think he’d be a great fit for the Yanks, but we’d first need to DFA somebody on our 40 man, and also, add another outfielder when we already have 5 of them (6 if you count Matsui). Who would be worth releasing to add a 6th or 7th outfielder?

    • A.D.

      I’ve read that Nady is likely to be a type A

      http://riveraveblues.com/2009/.....itte-6926/

    • steve (different one)

      i agree that Hinske is a good bench player, but why is his left handed bat a better fit than Nady’s RH bat?

      the Yankees will be starting 2 lefties and a switch hitter in the OF.

      wouldn’t the better fit be a right handed 4th OFer?

      and Hinske has played 18 games at 3B since 2004. he could stand at 3B, but he’s not REALLY a long-term ption were A-Rod to go down.

      it’s not a bad idea, i do like what Hinske brings to the table, but i don’t think this is really a big deal.

      this would be a bigger deal if the Yankees DIDN’T have a bat on their bench as good as Nady. but they do, and Nady is a better hitter than Hinske.

      • MattG

        This is all very true. Hinske vs Nady would be debatable. I would argue that the ML roster would be a bit more flexible, they would save a couple million, and the talent would remain the same. I see on fangraphs were the projections slightly favor Nady, but favor Hinske in OBP, and considering park effects, I think it is reasonable to say Hinske would make up the difference in slugging.

        But consider this: just DFA Giese already, sign Hinske, and demote one of Cabrera/Gardner on 3/31. Damon and Swisher can both handle CF in spot duty. All this does is add $2M to the payroll, and it is exactly the sort of marginal upgrade the Yankees should be all about right now.

        • steve (different one)

          perhaps.

          but i would also imagine that Hinske is being offered a lot more playing time in Pittsburgh.

          sometimes the player just opts for the situation that will bring him the most money in the future.

          if he goes to the Yanks, he’s a bench player. and next offseason, he’ll be looked at as a bench player.

          if he starts in Pittsburgh and pops 25 HRs, he could make a lot more money next year.

          had the Yankees not gotten Teixeira, and Swish was still at 1B, i would agree with you 100%. it’s not that i disagree with you now, but i think there are good arguments on both sides. not a no brainer either way.

          • MattG

            Yes, I assume there must be a semi-regular role for him in Pittsburgh. I wish there was a way to know if they Yankees have asked about Hinske, or even see the potential. I was the same way about Bobby Kielty last year (although he did play awful–I might’ve been very wrong about that one). Sometimes I wonder just how much attention Cashman gives to the 25th spot on the roster.

            Every once in a while, that’s where a David Ortiz or Carlos Pena shows up.

  • Peter Quintiliani

    By Bobby thanks for the memories. Sec 31

  • JohnnyC

    Most of these owners are heavily involved in the commodities markets (some, like Wilpon, even the victims of Ponzi schemes) and, predictably, they are feeling the deep recession we’re in (that will probably endure for 18 months to 2 years). Yes, the economy is a convenient pretext but, truthfully, these guys are hurting. Consider that John Henry’s major asset now is not his hedge funds but the Red Sox…then consider how “prudent” the Sox have been this offseason in free agent signings.

  • Ryan S.

    Buster Olney theorizes one interesting possibility in his morning blog article:

    Dunn might draw interest from the Yankees, a team for which he is perfectly suited, if they could shed the contracts of two of the three from the group of Xavier Nady, Hideki Matsui and Nick Swisher.
    http://insider.espn.go.com/esp.....ney_buster

    Rodriguez-Teixeira-Dunn … ouch.

    • Bruno

      I don’t see the need to drop two of them, unless Dunn IS demanding not to DH. I recall reports saying he was willing to play 1B, but that can be taken one of two ways 1)I’ll do whatever the teams needs so we can win, or 2)I’ll do whatever I can not to DH (and earn more than Burrell’s $8m).

      If Dunn would be willing to DH for at least one year, D’FA MATSUI!!

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      I saw that… I still don’t know why we need to shed TWO of the three contracts. one would be enough, no?

      • Ryan S.

        Maybe Olney was just trying his best to not spend more of the Yankee’s money. If they really want to stay below or at the ’08 payroll level, then getting rid of Matsui and Nady would certainly compensate for the 3/30 deal I bet we’d be willing to give Dunn. I don’t see it happening an I’m surprised to see any kind of rumbling about it … you really never know.

        Our 3-4-5 hitters would put up around 120 home runs if we got Dunn – sweet baby jesus.

      • Ed

        If you can find someone to take all/most of Matsui’s contract, it works. Anything else results in either a VERY expensive bench or the worst outfield defense you’ve ever seen.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Yeah, but I’m saying: Matsui makes 13M, Nady makes 6.55M, Swisher makes 5.3M. Dunn’s probably getting somewhere between 5-10M AAV… half of Matsui or all of Swisher or Nady and you’re basically at Dunn’s salary.

          One is enough. Right now, we have an expensive 4th OF. Move one of those three and bring in Dunn, and we still have an expensive 4th OF. No big whoop.

          • steve (different one)

            i think the other half of Ed’s point though is that Dunn needs to be the DH.

            in which case, you almost have to move Matsui.

            if you move Swish or Nady, your 4th OFer is Matsui. who isn’t an OFer.

            unless you are suggesting that Dunn starts in the OF. which is OK, it’s just not the point Ed was making.

            • Ryan S.

              If we can move Matsui, eat part of his salary, and be willing to sign Adam Dunn for a 3 year/$30M deal (I really think that’s what it would take still) and leave it at that, that would be awesome. Dunn would indeed be the every day DH, but he’s also a good enough backup at 1B or a corner OF spot should we ever need him there. Adding the Big Donkey to the lineup would be mind boggling, I’d love to see it happen … but I’m not expecting it. At all.

              • Reggie C.

                Dunn wasn’t offered arbitration correct? So he wouldn’t even cost us that 4th rounder. Win-win situation.

                3/30 is a straight steal, so its probably too optimistic. Maybe 3/36… heck … why not 1/14 if he’s willing to hit the market next year when teams’ payrolls are less tightened.

              • kane

                Uhm anyone notice that Matsui has a full no trade clause? I might not get the whole concept but it’s either Matsui can’t get traded or Matsui is nearly damn impossible to get traded. Matsui isn’t even a bad player so I don’t have any idea why a good number of Yankee fans hate him =/
                He can be a good DH or switch in and out of LF with Damn to give Damon rest so he won’t get injured.

                • Ryan S.

                  That damn NTC is so pesky. As a man of honor, however, I’ve heard that Matsui would be willing to waive that clause if his team really wanted to move him elsewhere. Its a cultural thing. Now I have no idea if that is actually true or not, but it would have to be if we wanted to move him, because I doubt many people would be willing to give him a contract extension, and if they did, it would be a depressing offer. Otherwise this Adam Dunn scenario is beyond impossible to pull off.

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  My other hesitancy against adding Dunn is the availability of the DH spot. Now that we added Tex, Posada can no longer move to 1B when his body no longer allows him to catch, his only spot is DH. While we can play Dunn in the OF, nobody wants to (for good reason).

                  If we sign Dunn, we may be looking at a 2010-2011 where we have two atrocious fielders (Posada and Dunn) for only one DH slot.

                • Ryan S.

                  As much as I want to move Jeter out of SS by 2010, I have a feeling he’ll be there for the remainder of his current contract. So in 2010, it could possibly be Dunn-AJax-Swisher as the outfield … two pluses and one minus is the outfield is not bad. 2011 we can deal with when it happens. Posada might be an overpaid bench player by then regardless or he might be healthy enough to be the primary (or backup) catcher … who knows? We could make it work.

            • Ed

              Yeah, that’s basically it Steve. Assuming we trade Nady, we get either:

              a) OF: Damon / Gardner / Swisher, DH: Dunn, Bench: Matsui

              b) OF: Dunn / Damon / Swisher, DH: Matsui

              Swap Nady & Swisher or Gardner & Melky to suit your tastes.

              Option A takes Matsui out of the lineup, lessening the impact of adding Dunn and making that improvement a very ineffective way to spend money.

              Option B results in a really really ugly defense, taking away a lot of the offensive gain.

              • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

                I don’t know. Option B may seem brutal but Swisher’s good out there and Damon probably isn’t as awful as we think. CHONE projects him as only -3 in CF (Swisher -2). I think that alignment’s offense could more than make up for the defense.

                Everyone knows I’m Adam Dunn’s biggest fan but I don’t think getting him is anything more than a pipe dream. It would probably require a trade and if teams can get Adam Dunn w/o giving anything up, I don’t think they’d want to trade for Nady or Matsui.

  • Bruno

    Bobby’ll be in LF in Queens. I’ve had him pegged for Omar’s bussom since last year.
    Dunn would’ve been perfect in RF for the Cubbies (OK, perfect batting 5th lol) but I think he’ll end up in Atlanta.

    • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

      If Dunn ends up in Atlanta, they win that division. Philadelphia is coming off the WS but I still think their pitching is a little suspect and their lineup is a) way too left handed and b) will probably be sans-Utley for at least a few weeks, regardless of what he and management have said. The Mets may’ve fixed the bullpen but their rotation’s messy situation means the bullpen could be a non-factor. The Braves rotation is going to be very strong with Vasquez, Lowe, and Jurrjens–I don’t know about their bullpen, though. Adding Dunn to hit with the McCannibal and Chipper would probably be enough to push them over the hump in what looks to be a weak division this year.

      • Ryan S.

        If Dunn ends up in the ATL, they can definitely compete and the Braves would have as good a shot as anyone… but the division is too stacked for them to be guaranteed a playoff spot, let alone win the NL East outright. The Mets have the best team in the NL on paper and are still probably going to add an impact bat, the Phillies are the reigning world champs, and the Marlins are an impressive up-and-coming team.

        • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

          I would not say the Mets are the best team on paper. Their rotation is Johan and…? They still have a major hole at one of the corners (wherever Church isn’t playing) and Luis Castillo’s health is probably a question mark as well.

          The Phillies are in a similar situation pitching wise. Cole Hamels is great, but Brett Myers has Jekyll and Hyde syndrome, Jaime Moyer had a great year but is a)old as dirt and b)2007 was awful for him. 2008 was most likely the exception, not the rule. All their bullpen guys had career years and I’m not confident in them, outside of Ryan Madson. Missing JC Romero for 50 games will hurt, too.

          The Marlins are up and coming, but I don’t think they can realistically make a run at a playoff spot. The Nationals? Yeah…

          If the Braves add another big bat, they’ll win the East.

          • Ryan S.

            THE METS HAVE TIM REDDING WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!

            Seriously though, they’ll get Ollie back, Redding sucks but he’ll give you some innings, and Maine/Pelfrey should do good enough. Its always possible Freddy Garcia recovers too. They also completely changed the complexion of their bullpen and its now a noted strength.

            Anyways, I see Dunn bringing Atlanta into contention, but the division really is too close to be making any definitive statements. Just explain to me how you can have a team who finished 4th last year and be in the same division as the reigning WS champs, and say the 4th place team is DEFINITELY winning that division the next year?

  • Bruno

    Bobby to the Angels (LF) with Juan Rivera at 1B? They could even bring back Anderson, or have Vlad DH with GMJ in RF. They NEED OBP in a BAD way, especially since someone stole Tex from them ;)

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Small potatoes. The angels need to stop screwing around and sign Manny.

      Teams that unquestionably have the payroll room and the glaring need and should be slapped for not signing Manny:
      Angels
      Mets
      Dodgers
      Nationals

      • Ryan S.

        Manny would only be good for the Nationals in terms of marketing/putting asses in the seats (which isn’t necessarily a bad idea). The other 3, they get Manny and they all but own their division … err well… you can’t really say stuff like that about the Mets for the next few years, but you guys know what I’m saying.

      • Reggie C.

        Moreno has been eerily quiet. His biggest acquisition has been .. Brian Fuentes?? Do you think Juan Rivera is an above ML player? ‘Cause thats what he’s got to be if he’s going to start, especially in light of Tex no longer there.

      • kane

        If the Angels get Manny they’re probably going to get a player who can stop their chokes in the ALDS. They always get owned by the Red Sox…

        • Mike Pop

          I don’t want to see Manny anywhere near an Angels uniform.

          • kane

            Yeah espeically since the Yankees always get owned by the Angels. Manny is the nail on our coffins if they get him.

            • Ryan S.

              Yes, Manny on the Angels is a frightening thought. I really hope he goes to the NL at this point.

              • Mike Pop

                Going from one enemy(Red Sox) to the other in the Angels would just suck. I was thrilled to get him out of the AL East, go to the Dodgers or Giants and if we must, we’ll see ya in the World Series.

  • KO

    I don’t understand the animosity towards Abreu. He’s still a quality hitter and altho’ obviously the acquisition of Teixeira has mitigated his departure, a lineup with both Abreu and Teixeira is better than one with Teixeira and no Abreu. I understand that Abreu is not the all-star he was a couple of years ago and that his defense has declined a bit (altho’ in the small Yankee Stadium right field that’s not a huge deal), but the Yankees would be better with him in the three hole (and Teixeira fifth) than anything on the current roster.

    • Ryan S.

      In a vacuum, Abreu is definitely worth keeping for one more year. But if we need to make room for Abreu by jettisoning Nady, Swisher, or Matsui we might as well go after Dunn. Or Manny.

      • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

        Mm, Adam Dunn…I still have this wild fantasy that Xavier Nady’s going to get traded and Adam Dunn lands in Pinstripes. Could you fuckin’ imagine a 3-4-5 of Rodriguez/Tex/Dunn? Holy shit.

        • Ryan S.

          See the conversation a couple above this one for some hardcore Dunn theorizing.

    • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

      Yea you could say his defense has declined “a bit” if by “a bit” you mean he was one of the two or three worst defenders in all of baseball. Add a diminishing walk rate and OBP, a high price tag, an old age…There are many, many more reasons let Abreu go than to keep him. And, if he were still on the team, there’d be no way he’d bat in front of Teixeira, unless Joe Girardi were sniffing glue.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

        “unless Joe Girardi were sniffing glue.”

        He picked a bad week to quit.

        • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

          Jews for Jesus?
          Hare Krishna?

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Listen, Betty, don’t start up with your “white zone” shit again.

            • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

              The hospital? What is it?
              It’s a big gray building with sick people in it.

              • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                Dr. Rumack: How are you holding up?
                Female Passenger: Well, to be honest, I’ve never been more scared in all my life… but at least I have a husband.

                • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

                  No, thank you. I take it black…just like my men.

    • Rob in CT

      I liked him. But he’s bad in the field, and his bat is declining. Originally, I liked the idea of platooning him with Nady in RF. But now they have Swisher. The only way I’d like to see Bobby return at the expense of losing Nady would be if they could turn Nady into a CF upgrade or some particularly tasty prospect(s).

      As for Dunn (discussed above)… Dunn > Matsui at DH. If Matsui could be traded and Dunn could be signed to a 1-year deal… I’m in. But who would take Matsui? The Yanks would have to eat most of his salary, and they likely wouldn’t get any talent back. So yeah, there’s a potential upgrade there, but how much of one and at what cost?

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      I don’t understand the animosity towards Abreu.

      There isn’t “animosity” towards Abreu. Just reasoned disinclination to offer him a job, because we have better options. I don’t dislike Bobby, I just think he probably doesn’t make our team demonstrably better than the options we’d have to jettison to bring him on board (like Matsui, Swisher, or Nady).

      He’s still a quality hitter and altho’ obviously the acquisition of Teixeira has mitigated his departure, a lineup with both Abreu and Teixeira is better than one with Teixeira and no Abreu.

      Not necessarily. If the lineup is subtracting Swisher or Nady from the RF hole to insert Bobby, we’re most assuredly making our defense much, much worse to a margin likely equal than or greater to how much we upgrade our offense. You can’t forget the defensive side of the equation.

      If the lineup is subtracting Matsui from the DH hole to insert Bobby, we’re likely getting equal production offensively but with a greater likelihood of health, but we’re going to have to eat a majority of Matsui’s contract in order to move him, and the upgrade in health is not worth the 10-15M hit to the payroll it would take to eat Matsui and sign Bobby. If I’m going to eat Matsui’s contract to go get a healthier, better DH, I’m not doing it to sign Bobby, I’m doing it to sign Manny or Dunn, two guys who have all of Bobby’s negatives but much, much better positives.

      I understand that Abreu is not the all-star he was a couple of years ago and that his defense has declined a bit (altho’ in the small Yankee Stadium right field that’s not a huge deal), but the Yankees would be better with him in the three hole (and Teixeira fifth) than anything on the current roster.

      You’re glossing over two gigantic facts:
      1) He’s not just “slipping” defensively, he’s horrid defensively. He was bad before, and now his slippage has caused him to be a major liability.
      2) Nothing exists in a vacuum. Adding Bobby means subtracting either Nady or Matsui, and Bobby’s just no longer a lock to outproduce them.

      • steve (different one)

        You’re glossing over two gigantic facts:

        THREE gigantic facts:

        3) Every team play half their games on the road. This has been this way for over 100 years.

  • LiveFromNewYork

    Bobby was a great addition when he came and would be a great addition to any club. We just have no room for him and his patient bat.

    and the defense was going to bite him in the ass sooner or later. Or now.