Open Thread: Girardi sets the heart of the order

What's one more outfielder between friends?
Red Sox officials renew salary cap calls

texJoe Girardi announced today that new first baseman Mark Teixeira will fill the Bobby Abreu Memorial third spot in the batting order, with Alex Rodriguez retaining cleanup duties. The announcement does seem a bit premature considering no one’s faced live pitching yet, but Tex has always loved batting third, being quoted as saying “I’ve always loved batting third.” Good enough for me.

Some numbers for argument’s sake:

Mark Teixiera
Batting Third
: .311-.394-.573, 19.3 PA/HR, 8.3 PA/XBH
Batting Fourth: .279-.378-.523, 16.3 PA/HR, 9.8 PA/XBH
Career: .290-.378-.541, 19.4 PA/HR, 9.0 PA/XBH

Alex Rodriguez
Batting Third
: .303-.396-.602, 14.7 PA/HR, 8.7 PA/XBH
Batting Fourth: .300-.394-.569, 16.0 PA/HR, 9.6 PA/XBH
Career: .309-.389-.578, 16.4 PA/HR, 9.0 PA/XBH

Yeah, I’m still in the camp that wants A-Rod batting third. Let him get more plate appearances over the course of the season.

Anyway, here’s your open thread. The Rangers are playing the Islanders, and the Nets are in Dallas. Anything goes, just be nice.

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What's one more outfielder between friends?
Red Sox officials renew salary cap calls
  • http://www.blueseatblogs.com Dave

    You could be watching Renney’s last game as the Rangers coach.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      One of these days I’ll get back to posting on BsB, I swears it.

      • http://www.blueseatblogs.com Dave

        Haha, it’s all good. Not much news to comment on other than abysmal efforts that make me ashamed to be a Ranger fan too.

    • Rich

      Don’t give me false hope.

  • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

    Either way’s fine, but I’d prefer A-Rod third.

    • http://Theteamsbesthittershouldhitthrid Eyeadapt

      The teams best hitter should hit thrid

      • pat

        interesting website.

      • Cor Shep

        not true and so many teams don’t follow this. Are they wrong?

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

        Why?

    • Cor Shep

      I could care less who bats where. They’re both going to mash and drive in 120 runs. i….cant….wait…..

  • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

    Mike, I’d like to bat Alex 3rd but I don’t see how to do it.

    I’m guessing you would leadoff Jeter and bat Damon #2?

    • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

      Jeter and Rodriguez back to back isn’t bad at all.

      Though I’ve always wanted Jeter and Damon to switch.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

      I think that the R-L scheme is overrated, especially when it’s back to back righties.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Agreed. You want to break up your lefties to avoid a team using a LOOGY as a LTOGY (Lefty Two-Out Guy).

        There really aren’t that many ROOGY’s, so breaking up two righty bats isn’t that big of a deal.

        • Spaceman.Spiff

          LTOGY haha. i like that almost as much as I like LOOGY.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      Nah, keep it Damon one, Jeter two. Stacking righties is okay when you’re talking about two of the best hitters of their generation.

      • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

        You don’t have to, though. Damon has a bit more pop than Derek does at this point of his career. Both hit with men on base, both have good speed though neither steals a ton of bases anymore.

        They’re pretty interchangeable at this point, but the extra pop Damon has makes me think he’s more of a #2.

        • http://ranger2709.blogspot.com Old Ranger

          Jeters natural swing, is the other way plus he knows how to bunt and will. Granted, Johnny has more power and sees more pitches…I would leave it as it is, you have Tex and A-Rod to bring home the runners.
          Wasn’t there a split showing Jeter hits better in the #1 hole? I always thought he would be our lead-off hitter (before Johnny came). Now, if his predictable DP was just another aberration, we will all be happy.
          Any how, the first 6 spots are solid, with a resurgence of Cano and Swisher/Nady we should be ok, even with Melky/Brett and Molina taking up spots.
          Molina, with only having to catch 40/50 games this year (we hope) instead of the 100+ of last year, should be much better also.

          • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

            Hahahahah! I forgot about Derek’s DP’s. That’s one way to cut down on those, bat him leadoff.

            • jsbrendog

              except that batting leadoff you are only guaranteed he’ll come up with no one on base once because the order rolls over.

              • Chris

                but the other times he comes up, you’ll have the bottom of the order ahead of him, all of who should be worse at getting on base than Damon.

  • El Generalissimo

    Under general circumstances I would agree Arod should bat third. But, for 2 reasons Tex should be 3rd in our Lineup… First L-R-S-R-L order dictates he should be 3rd. Which isnt a big deal either way, because they all can hit lefties and righties. And Girardi loves this crap. But…

    The big thing here is that Arod puts up numbers regardless has never needed much protection, and his 2007 was with Matsui behind him (most likely same this year.)

    Tex usually starts slow and has a pretty big discrepancy with his 3rd/4th numbers. Also, maybe its because it was a contract year, but Tex numbers with Vlad batting behind him are huge. I think he can replicate those with Arod behind him. You know especially because no one wants to face Arod now that he’s on steroids.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=15305165&ref=profile Doug

      That is the best username since Austrian Gay TV.

      “And now, I will compliment pictures of your grandchildren.”

      • El Generalissimo

        I was Austrian Gay TV too, but decided to switch it!

  • Yankeegirl49

    Im in the Arod 3rd camp, but really we cant go wrong either way.

    Let’s go Rangers!

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

      Potvin sucks!

      • Yankeegirl49

        That was gonna be my next post..LOL

    • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

      Breakfasts come and go, Renee. But Hartford, the Whale, they only beat Vancouver once, maybe twice in a lifetime.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

        Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned for Sega.

        • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

          The only way he could bang regular chicks is with a kryptonite condom. And that would kill him.

  • Eirias

    Alright, since John Henry is absurdly calling for a salary cap, I’ve a question about how a cap would affect the Yankees. Obviously the Yankees would be above the cap level, no matter how high it is set. Do the Yankees then have to cut their salary below the cap level before they participate in the Free Agent market? If so, that is extraordinarily anti-competitive, particularly given the recent long contracts we handed out.

    • pat

      They’d have to set a date way in the future for teams to try and hit, they wouldn’t make it\ next season.

      • andrew

        It would have to be way way in the future unless they expect the Yankees to trade a few of Tex/Arod/Burnett/CC/Jeter

        • pat

          Yea exactly. I tried looking for info on how the NFL implemented theirs but couldn’t find much. They would have to give ample time for teams to make the requisite personnel moves to get under the salary cap.

        • Chris

          But if other teams have to hit the cap too, would they even take those players?

          A cap can work in football for two reasons. One, the contracts are (generally) not guaranteed. A team can easily cut someone to help them hit the cap number. Two, there is also a salary floor. This would screw most small market teams.

          • Thomas

            Baseball Prospectus had an article on that and they made a hypothetical payroll zone of like $77 to $103 million.

            http://www.baseballprospectus......cleid=8409

            and the RAB article surrounding the BP article
            http://riveraveblues.com/2009/.....-cap-6783/

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

            The NFL’s cap also works because each team has the revenue to actually spend up to that limit.

            • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              Good point. The cap is only half the reason the NFL has greater parity; the other half is true and total revenue sharing. They negotiate one TV contract, and split that TV contract amongst all the teams equally.

              I’m sure John Henry would love to see the league block the Yankees from signing CC and Tex. I doubt he’d be as keen on the idea of cutting up the NESN money and splitting it 30 ways.

              • Mike Pop

                Na, he would be fine with that. He is a selfless human being who wants the best for the world.

    • Steve H

      It’s all talk. Remember, the players union would have to agree to it. They won’t. If we ever see a salary cap in baseball it will be pretty sad because that will mean we’ve just had an extended work stoppage.

      • 27 this year

        Nobody gets the fact that with a cap comes a floor so the floor would ahve to be around 80 mil and none of teams want to have to spend that much so the yankees can spend less. Plus, every big market owner wants a salary cap for an excuse to pocket more money plus less revenue sharing. Then again, Stein is obviously different n spending on players.

        • Craig

          What none of these hate fueled fans begging for a salary cap realize is that implementing a salary cap is not the way to go about creating more parity. First of all, depending on where the floor and ceiling are set, the big spenders and small market teams could still, very easily, have a large gap – maintaining what people perceive to be the problem. If teams like the Royals and Marlins are forced to increase payroll, you think they’re going to go spend anymore than they have to? I don’t. Second of all, nobody seems to look at one of the main reasons why the NFL and NBA seem to have so much more parity than MLB. In the NFL 37.5% of teams make the playoffs each season (12/32); in the NBA 53% (16/30) qualify for postseason; compare those to under 27% for MLB and no wonder it seems like MLB is not on a level playing field. I’m sick of all these fans acting like MLB is in such a dire need of a salary cap because they hate the Yankees.

  • http://ranger2709.blogspot.com Old Ranger

    With Matsui at #5 (and good health) A-Rod will get enough protection.
    Whenever Matsui gets into the “Reaching” pattern, sit him down a few games. He has a habit of reaching for the outside pitch, pulls it (on the ground) to the 2nd/1st basemen for the DP. This year we have a person(s) that can step in for a few games, until he gets over it. Some forget, he has been a good RBI guy and (so called) clutch hitter…when healthy.
    Some think Cano will come back very strong this year and have big numbers. If he does…he can hit in #5 or trust Posada. In a nut shell, we have #5 covered. Just a word about Swisher or Johnny in CF, don’t get your hopes up…it ain’t gona happen, maybe Johnny once in a very great while.

    • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

      Defense up the middle, and that means either Gardner or Melky. I have a strong sense it’s going to be Gardner, unless and until he plays his way off the team.

      I don’t think Gardner will just be a good CF, as his +6 rating suggests. Don’t forget, he was a rookie last year who was feeling his way around. As he gets more comfortable with his surroundings and the ballparks on the road, I think he will be an exceptional fielder. He certainly has the tools for it, and I’ve heard Stick say the same.

  • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

    “Torre on Retirement

    Joe Torre, entering the second year of a three-year contract, said he plans to retire as a manager after next season.

    “I don’t envision going beyond this contract managing,” said the 68-year-old Torre.

    He said he hoped to remain in the game in some capacity.

    “I don’t think I’ll disconnect from baseball,” he said. “I hope somebody will deem me useful.”

    http://kengurnick.mlblogs.com/.....ement.html

    • pat

      Didn’t hank already offer him a job at YES?

      • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

        Hal did.

        You know where I hope he lands? In the broadcast booth somewhere, anywhere. It might not be appropriate anymore, being the only living manager with 4 rings. But he was a great listen when he worked as an announcer.

        Wouldn’t work with the Yanks, though. He’d always be seen as criticizing his successor.

        • pat

          Ah damn, I thought it was the wiseass of the two. I don’t think being a broadcaster is inappropriate. He’s choosing to retire it’s not like he was run outta town and nobody wanted to hire him.

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            They should pair him up with Joe Morgan. They can spend 3 hours together every Sunday talking about how much better they are than everyone else. At everything.

            • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

              What sucks is that they were both great players and Torre is wildly underrated as a player, IMO.

            • jsbrendog

              at least torre’s stories really happened. morgan makes shit up about [layers he never even played with

              • Mike Pop

                “Well I remember the time Babe Ruth was in the batter’s box behind me and told me to just get on base and he would hit a 2-run homer to win the game. That, John, was the famous “called shot” when Babe called his Home Run. It is a legend, but I was there for it and I know for a fact it happened. Good times, good times, I had with George”.

  • http://liberalmusings.wordpress.com Pablo Zevallos

    Hypothetically, what would a fair cap be? $125M? $150M?

    • Steve H

      What would the fair floor be? And with a cap, luxury tax would go away, as would a ton of revenue sharing. The small market teams probably want a cap even less than the big market teams do.

      • Ed

        Imagine the fit the Marlins would have when told they have to triple their payroll and get less money from the other teams.

        • Tom Zig

          haha well if i were the yankees, i’d tell them hand over hanley for IPK+Melky and we’ll send you lots of money to help cover your costs.

    • Tom Zig

      What would be a fair salary floor? 75% of 150?

    • Thomas

      A BP article assumed a range of $77 million to $103 million, which is 45% of the $200 million revenue per team with a floor at 75% of its cap.

      Here is the article.
      http://tinyurl.com/8hvqr3

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      If they do $125M, then it really only hurts the Yanks. If they’re serious about improving the competitive balance, then set the cap at $100M and the floor at $75M. Revenue from all thirty teams gets thrown into one big pool, from which MLB takes 25%, and the remaining 75% is dispersed to the 30 clubs equally. Everyone’s equal.

      It’ll never happen, obviously. There’s no such thing as a fair salary cap.

    • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

      I don’t know. How much more money do you want the billionaire owners to make?

      The lower you go, the more they put in their pocket, and not on the field.

  • BigBlueAL

    Just got my 2009 Baseball Prospectus in the mail today!!!! (plus the Torre Years but thats an old story already)

    • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

      ‘The Yankee Years’ is a great read. Just reliving 96-2000 is an absolute blast.

      Its about 98% written by Verducci. Some of its is rehashing of his old columns with some Torre inside the clubhouse stuff thrown in. Torre definitely conbtributed, but the voice on every page is Verducci’s, not Torre’s.

  • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

    Anyone else a bit pissed off that this ‘who A-Rod slept with’ and ‘where and when he took steroids’ Selena Roberts book is scheduled to be released just before OPENING DAY?

    I don’t know about the rest of you, but Opening Day is very special to me. Its a holiday that I put just behind Christmas. This one even more so, with the new stadium being unveiled. Harper Collins is at best having a callous disregard for that special event, and at worst is intentionally trying to piss all over it. They’d sell just as many books releasing it on May 15th, especially if the rumors about the content are anywhere near being true.

    I understand that they’re not concerned about these things, they are in the book business and want to strike while the A-Rod story is still hot. But think ahead for just a minute. They will be releasing excerpts the Sunday before, and all the salacious gossip that’s in there will dominate the headlines over the next few days, and be topic #1 at the ballpark that day. Not Baseball, but seedy gossip.

    Fucking douche bags. I can only hope there’s a backlash over the timing of this.

    • http://liberalmusings.wordpress.com Pablo Zevallos

      I am really starting to dislike the cynical and opportunist mainstream media. Heck, I’m sure many of you heard about what happened with the poor kid at school today (if not go to a news medium’s website and you might find it there). My friends have told me that when they stopped by the memorial, this creeper (http://tinyurl.com/da3j3s) hassled people trying to get info (and names) while also trying to friend kids on facebook to get background info. Why can’t the MSM respect the basic of privacy, from A-Rod to freakin’ kids?!?

  • Mike R.

    I prefer A-Rod batting fourth because of his speed. A-Rod will either have an RBI opportunity or lead off the 2nd inning and have a chance to steal if he gets on. I just think he adds a layer of flexibility in the 4 hole.

  • Bryan

    Awwwww jeez, susan waldman just called peteabe the biggest yankees blog of all time

    • Steve H

      biggest, not the best.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Perhaps she’s speaking in terms of poundage and not in terms of significance.

        • pat

          Yea I think Bryan misheard and suzyn said pete abe was the biggest Yankee blogger of all time.

          • Bryan

            He is certainly popular and a good blogger (most of the time), but RAB is the best!

    • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

      She just delivered the best news I’ve heard in a while.

      1st game on WCBS 88 AM
      Saturday Feb 28th @ 1:15

      10 days away!!

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        Next Thursday’s game is on YES.

        • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

          WOO-HOOO!

    • whozat

      In terms of readership, that’s hard to dispute.

    • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

      I take it she reads the comments.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

      That could change soon.

      • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

        Are you planning on doing him in?

        If you want to make it look like an accident, I know someone.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Wink wink, nudge nudge, say no more, say no more

          • whozat

            A nod is as good as a wink to a blind bat, eh?

            Holiday snaps? Could be, could be taken on holiday…

          • jsbrendog

            knnow what i mean? know what i mean? wink wink nudge nudge say no more say no more.

            i have to go dig up that box set….

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  • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

    FWIW, the difference in plate appearances over the course of a season between 3rd and 4th is like 10 PA’s or less.

    Not a big deal. ARod likes the psychological cache of hitting 4th. Tex likes the psychological cache of hitting 3rd. Hence, that’s where they should hit.

  • K.B.D.

    Griffey rejects Atlanta and heads to Seattle: http://tinyurl.com/d5brf5.

    More leverage for Ca$hMoney and the Yanks can’t hurt.

    • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

      Yeah, wonder if they go with Garret Anderson or rekindle the Swisher/Nady talks.

      • Mike Pop

        Garret.

      • K.B.D.

        Anderson is a pretty ugly option. He could fall off the cliff statistically any day now.

      • Steve H

        Hopefully they rekindle the Nady talks.

        • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

          You mean the Swisher talks.

          • Mike Pop

            Cashman will not trade Swisher unless they give up Schafer plus.

            • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

              Neither would I.

          • K.B.D.

            I would only keep Nady over Swisher if I hoped Nady would get Type-A status and we’d bank a pick. If I thought that’d happen, I’d probably keep Nady over Swisher. I don’t think Nady turned a corner last year, I just think he played way over his head, but thats just me. Swish’s versatility is a major plus as well.

            • Mike Pop

              I don’t even think that is worth dealing Swisher for. I’d be okay with getting Gorkys for Nady instead of dealing Swisher for Schafer.

              • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

                If you got Gorkys, that would be the 3rd organization he’s been with by age 20. Teams don’t trade players they love that much before they reach High A if they think they’re really good.

                • Mike Pop

                  Na, I don’t think so. Tigers were trying to win it all this year and they thought Renteria would mash for them. I really don’t think it’s that big of a deal, he is still so far away.

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Yeah. Dombrowski overbid years ago and now he’s just throwing more good money after bad to try and buy a pot that he can’t win. He’s giving away good players willy-nilly in an effort to get a title.

                  That first trade of Gorkys to the Braves isn’t indicative of any notion that he’s not a good player, it’s indicative of the Tigers’ desperation to not go back to a 100-loss team.

                  They didn’t trade Maybin or Miller because they soured on them, they traded them because it was the only way to get the veteran players they (foolishly) wanted.

                • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

                  OK, then what’s Wren’s reason? The Braves are a VERY good player development organization, they know who to keep and who to deal.

                • Mike Pop

                  To pick up Nady in order to be a more competitive team this year, make the playoffs, and try to win a championship which is the ultimate goal. Main reason why teams trade good prospects.

  • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

    Wow, Griffey signed with the Mariners.

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....y-j-4.html

    • http://liberalmusings.wordpress.com Pablo Zevallos

      Good stuff. The price for Nady/Swish just got higher.

      • mustang

        BINGO………

  • http://eastrutherfordrant.com donttradecano

    Got my prospect and bill james handbooks in the mail today!

  • Jay CT

    Ok, so can someone throw some projections at me that ARod may put up this year? Not the triple slashes, but I have the three and the seven in my fantasy baseball draft. All the big stars are available, as you can’t keep the first two picks, so all the top players change teams each year. So, what numbers do you think ARod will hit? I was thinking of him or Pujols for the 3, and then either Miguel Cabrera if I get ARod, or Braun/Sizemore if I get Pujols.

    I already have Longoria in the 9th, Lincecum in the 7th and Alexi Rameriez in the 25th. Side note, would you keep Kinsler for a 4th round pick over any of my other 3 keepers? I am a bit nervous about Lincecum’s workload.

    • Mike Pop

      Doesn’t matter between A-Rod or Pujols. Just make sure you get Chris Davis to man your other corner.

    • andrew

      You’re allowed to be nervous about Lincecum, but that doesn’t mean you don’t keep him

  • Steve O.

    I was just wondering if the Yankees could get Dukes or Milledge(sp?) from Washington after they signed Dunn. Who knows, maybe on the cheap, but what would it take?

    • Mike Pop

      IPK for Milledge. Book it.

    • K.B.D.

      More outfielders? Why?

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      They signed Dunn to be a first baseman, not an outfielder. I can’t see how they’d be any more willing to part with either of those two now that they have Dunn, they’re unrelated to each other.

      • Steve O.

        Oh, for some reason i thought he was playing Left Field.

      • Reggie C.

        Not true. Nats aren’t trying to unload Nick Johnson. They need Johnson in the lineup. Dunn is going to man the OF those 100 games Johnson manages to stay healthy. Nats would probably move Dukes in all honesty for good pitching.

  • Mike Pop
    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Roids.

      (’bout time.)

      • Mike Pop

        Yep, he talked to A-Rod’s cousin.

        Zing.. I’m David Letterman.

    • pat

      harder better faster stronger, take that haters

      • My Geass Makes You My Slave

        Do it better never wronger, harder better faster stronger..

    • http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/group.php?gid=43434432275 Jim

      Sounds like Jackson wants to be the next Bernie. I like that.

  • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

    Anyone have any thoughts on the Post cartoon causing all the brouhahah?

    If there was any better reason to make the ban on the New York Post permanent, this is it. I didn’t buy it that much anyway, but unless Sean Delonas has a damn good explanation, I can’t see myself ever buying that racist rag again.

    • http://eastrutherfordrant.com donttradecano

      i dont get how he could have a good explanation…why doesnt the media attack this the same way they attacked arod?

      • Mike Pop

        Can a brother get a link around here?

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside
          • http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/group.php?gid=43434432275 Jim

            Wow. How did that even get printed? That is awful.

            • Mike Pop

              What a tard.

            • andrew

              Wow is right…

          • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

            Journalism note here. That NYT article By Sewell Chan AND Jeremy W. Peters sucks.

            Its journalism 101 to get both sides of the story. If Sean Delonas declined comment, or could not be reached, it should say so. If not, I have to assume the 2 writers made no attempt to get his side, and that’s just bad reporting. It says nothing, so I have no other conclusion to draw.

            • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              You have a valid point.

              • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                The reason I used that link was to add the context of the other notable cartoons by Delonas.

                A 2001 cartoon by Mr. Delonas depicted Fernando Ferrer, the Bronx borough president who was seeking the Democratic nomination for mayor that year, kissing the buttocks of Mr. Sharpton — a depiction that was widely criticized as demeaning, and even racist…

                Mr. Delonas has drawn ire from a number of groups for past cartoons in The Post. In 2006, the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation denounced a cartoon of his that showed a man carrying a sheep wearing a bridal veil to a “New Jersey Marriage Licenses” window, a reference to the State Supreme Court’s ruling that year requiring the state to grant same-sex couples the same legal rights and benefits as heterosexual couples through civil unions.

      • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

        Here’s the link, I hadn’t seen it and I’ll assume others didn’t.

        http://www.nypost.com/delonas/2009/02/02182009.jpg

        I’m trying to figure out a non-racist way that he might possibly have meant it, but I can’t come up with one.

        But in any case, its irrelevant. Obama won and this guy is cartoon writing loser. I wouldn’t give this guy the attention he probably wants.

        • Thomas

          I get using two big news stories, the stimulus and the chimp, but why link them together unless you’re racist? Also, how is it possible that none of the editors or other writers saw a problem with that cartoon and refused to print it?

          • jsbrendog

            see my post below. today was the first official protest of savery back in the 1800s. link below

            • jsbrendog

              edit, im an asshole, 1600s. derrrr

        • b/c

          Yo he just means that the bill is of the quality to have been written by a chimp. The PCness has got to lighten up!

          • andrew

            and sir, youve just told us the reason why monkeys became a derogatory word for blacks, thank you

    • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

      Woah, that one’s pushing the line a little bit…

      • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

        A bit?

    • Thomas

      That cartoon is just wrong. However, I will say that story about the chimp was pretty funny.

      • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

        Yeah, whenever 70 year old women get mauled within inches of their lives, I just bust out laughing.

        Cheers.

        • Thomas

          Yeah, because trying to control a wild animal that they fed Xanax isn’t asking for trouble. Seriously, the owner deserved more than the other person, but that is why you don’t have wild animal for pets, feed it drugs, and try to force it to do something it doesn’t want.

    • pat

      That’s a tough situation. I understand what the guy was trying to say, equating the wild spending of the stimulus bill with that chimp going buck wild, but at the same time you gotta know that the absolute first thing anybody sees is the “obama is a monkey” connection. I may get torched for this, but I don’t think the guy made the cartoon out of malicious bigotry. As a satire the metaphor makes sense. However in the context of a racially charged United States even the clearest of satirical jokes that equate our black president (whom I voted for btw) to a monkey are absolutely %100 of the time going to be construed as racist. It was a pretty fuckin stupid thing to print because no amount of explanation is going to justify a picture of a dead chimp with bullet holes, but at the same time I have a hard time believing the guy would put his career and reputation on the line publishing a blatantly racist cartoon.
      I hope that came out clear. Im not racist or anything,(my roomates senior year were a korean kid, a lebanese kid,, a croatian, an albino red sox fan from dorchester mass and a kid from CT) It’s a funny premise and I get the joke he’s trying to make but you gotta know how the general public is going to see this. It was a pretty fucking stupid thing to do.

      • jsbrendog

        http://www.blackfacts.com/fact.....b1c6172a95

        this has a lot to do with it too, and if he had been asked for comment he couldve replied that

        • jsbrendog

          ps not necessarily condoning it in any way, just adding some perspective.

          so sad i have to add disclaimers….ill spare the rant

    • jsbrendog

      In other news: on this day in 1688, the first formal protest against slavery by an organized white body in English America was made.

      http://www.blackfacts.com/fact.....b1c6172a95

      the above was taken from here:

      http://gawker.com/5155636/the-.....ly-dead-ha

    • http://and-that-happened.blogspot.com Evan

      That cartoon was worth a head shake and face palm. Just poor taste.

  • LeftyLarry

    I’d much rather have the CLUTCH Texiera batting ahead of AROD than vise versa.
    In late if innings of a close game, with Damon and/Or Jeter on base, I’d much rather have Tex up.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      ARod, Career Late & Close
      .279/.375/.530/.905

      Tex, Career Late & Close
      .282/.379/.555/.933

      Meh. No big whoop.

      • whozat

        ARod, Career Late & CloseWhen I Personally Remember It “Counting”, Which Is The Only Source Of Truth Because My Memory Is Infallible
        .130/.132/.110/.242

        FTFY

      • A.D.

        .282 BA > .279 thus Tex is vastly better

      • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

        FWIW:

        High leverage:

        Rodriguez: .305/.393/.582/.975
        Tex: .321/.418/.593/1.011

        God, how could anyone think that A-Rod is “clutch.” Those numbers suck!

  • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

    Bulls get Salmons and Miller from the Kings for Nocioni, Gooden, Ruffin, and Simmons… meh.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/.....id=3916703

    • Mike Pop

      I’m reading Larry Hughes might become a Knick, Baron Davis to Houston is being discussed, the Cavs want Richard Jefferson, Knicks pull Lee off the market, and VC to Portland taking shape.

      Then again, it is all just rumors.

      • http://eastrutherfordrant.com donttradecano

        http://www.nydailynews.com/blo.....rry-h.html

        as long as it doesnt include lee or nate..im good

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Here’s what I just cooked up:

        http://games.espn.go.com/nba/t.....eId=alt5jo

        The Nets want to move VC but can’t get back any good players for him; the Spurs want to get VC but can’t match up salaries to make it happen (without breaking up their core; the Knicks need to clear cap space for the summer of Bron and need to get some value for David Lee (assuming that we can’t afford to pay his extension this summer.)

        Knicks get out from Curry and Lee’s contracts and take on four sizeable contracts in Simmons, Mason, Bowen, and Thomas whom all expire at the right time. Nets get Lee plus Udoka and Rose’s expiring contracts (and although Curry’s deal is bad, it’s a lot better than Vince’s deal). Spurs don’t lose anything of great value and get the scorer they want.

        • Reggie C.

          Knicks better do that now. We can’t pay both Lee and Nate. Somebody’s got to go. Obviously it sucks ’cause Lee is a crowd favorite and pretty damn productive in the D’antoni system. But the bottom line is that 2010 is king, and having enough cap space to land Lebron + 1 of Bosh/Wade/Amare can’t be understated.

          • http://eastrutherfordrant.com donttradecano

            they might not get 2 guys no matter how much they shed off the books, stern said the cap is going to be lower than the 58.6 it is at now in 2010

            • andrew

              I think the chance of getting Wade and Bosh/Amare is much better than getting Lebron + another, but either way, I think we’re gonna end up with Bosh + another above average FA but no superstar

  • http://forums.netphoria.org Mr. Faded Glory

    Of course Tex has better numbers hitting third. He’s got a 4th place hitter protexting him, not a 5th place hitter. Who does A-Rod get… Matsui? Welcome to being pitched around, Alex.

    • whozat

      Pitch around ARod to get to a guy with a .380 OBP and .480 SLG? Please do.

    • My Geass Makes You My Slave

      Please look at his stats first before degrading him as a bad player.
      kthxbai

      • andrew

        lyl mwa

  • Joe

    I also like A-Rod in the three hole. –Anyone buy the argument that it’s less pressure to hit an HR and he gets protect from Tex? –cuz he had none last year, Giambino hit the occasional jack but hasn’t been the Oakland threat he was in a while, everyone knows that, and matsui is slow with no power and just rolls his hands over the ball and hits a grounder to 2B everytime.., so wouldn’t it make sense to see what A-Rod can do with some protection and put Tex BEHIND him instead of infront of him? I’m not going to bother putting up those 3rd/4th splits again for each player, but at face value ill take 14/PA’s per homerun from AROD in the 3 hole and 16pa’s per hr from Tex at the 4. cuz it’s better than 19/ab’s per HR from TEX at 3 and 16 ab’s per HR from AROD at the 4 hole. i also like AROD at the 3 hole for several other reasons but i dont want my post to be ten pages long haha, so at face value i like AROD at the three solely by that stat above. Thoughts?

    • 27 this year

      But is the few homeruns worth the dropoffs in the other categories. As far as I am concerned teh dropoffs are far more dramatic in more imporant categories than homerun rates.

  • A.D.

    I was A-Rod 3rd and still am, but the beauty of it all is it really doesn’t matter going to mash either way.

    • Joe

      but my obvious point is that they would “mash” as you say… MORE if A-Rod were in the 3 hole and Tex in the four. I liked it better for like those six games where Abreu got hurt and didn’t play and A-Rod batted third behind Jeter haha.

  • A.D.

    Suggs franchised….TSJC is going to be upset

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      I was just reading that… nah, I liked Suggs but I never got my hopes up. I always figured he’d be franchised.

      Sproles got the tag, too. Peppers said he wants to be traded to “The Cowboys or one of three other teams, two of them in the NFC”, ESPN is saying… whatever the hell that crap means.

      I’m still putting my eggs in the Bart Scott basket (unless the idiot Raiders do an idiot move and forget to tag Asomugha, of course.

      My prediction is that Scott, McAlister, and Leonhard all follow their old coordinator to Florham Park.

      • A.D.

        I think Scott is the way too. They can hope Gholston isn’t a bust, otherwise they can probably get another pass rusher in the 3-4 out of this years draft.

      • Mike Pop

        I’ve read that McAlister has interest in the Jets. Where you think Ray ends up?

        • A.D.

          I haven’t seen what other interest there is, but I think it only makes sense for Lewis to stay in Baltimore

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Or Dallas.

      • Reggie C.

        Panthers would never trade Peppers to the ‘Boys.

        Didn’t know you were a Jets fan TSJC.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Type “Jets Fans” into Google Image Search.

          I’m in 3 different pictures on the first two pages of links.

          http://www.freehtc.com/files/jets_fans.jpg

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside
            • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside
              • Reggie C.

                heh… those looked like draft day shots. right?

                You want Jeremy Maclin? Mark Sanchez?

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  To answer those questions:

                  Yes, they are draft day shots. Those were the ’06, ’07, and ’08 drafts, and those photos were all in either the New York Times or on the front page of ESPN during said draft weekends.

                  No, I don’t want Maclin. I don’t want a wideout at all in round one, we have bigger fish to fry. In any event, Maclin will be long gone by 17 and I’m not interested in trading up.

                  No, don’t really care for Sanchez either. Not enough arm strength. If we go QB (which I’m not fond of), I’d take Josh Freeman over Sanchez, I like his upside more, and with three decent prospects already on the roster in Clemens/Ratliff/Ainge, I’d more inclined to gamble on Freeman’s physical gifts. I understand that we’re moving out of the Meadowlands and their notorious winds, but I still want a strong-armed QB to be able to make long throws in tough weather. Sanchez doesn’t have the physical tools to succeed in cold-weather AFC East games, I think.

                  I’d go (in order of preference, bold is my most likely option):
                  1 (17) – CB Vontae Davis, QB Josh Freeman, or DE/DT Tyson Jackson
                  2 (52) – DE/OLB Michael Johnson, S Will Moore, or CB Darius Butler
                  3 (76) – WR Ramses Barden, RB Javon Ringer, or LB Darryl Beckwith
                  4 (111) – T/G Augustus Parrish, WR Louis Murphy, or CB Captain Munnerlyn
                  4 (114) – LB/S Jon Casillas, G/T Herman Johnson, or RB Jeremiah Johnson
                  5 (145) – DT/DE Dorell Scott, FB Quinn Johnson, LB Orion Martin
                  6 (180) – S Courtney Greene, C/G Edwin Williams, WR Deon Butler
                  7 (211) – LB Darrel Young, DE/DT Ronald Talley, CB Allen Langford

            • Jack
  • Joe

    guys refresh my memory, isn’t this RAB? ..do i have to remind you that it’s a Yankees blog? I mean we dont have to talk about the Yankees all the time, but the original point of the post was tex / arod 3 or 4? and why. -we somehow got to Nets trade rumors and Terrell Suggs? *sigh*….

    • Mike Pop

      Really?

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      It’s an open thread.

      Everybody hit the f$#%in deck… but stay on your muthaf$%&#in toes!!!!

    • whozat

      A) like TSJC said, it’s an open thread
      B) we’ve already had the discussion about ARod/Tex a couple times. The authors have done posts on it (at least one)…people have run the numbers. There’s not a lot more to talk about on that topic.

    • A.D.

      Anyway, here’s your open thread. The Rangers are playing the Islanders, and the Nets are in Dallas. Anything goes, just be nice.

      Though props for fighting back on those who post off topic

      • Mike Pop

        I love talking about baseball and all but sometimes you need a break from it. Especially here at RAB.

        • A.D.

          Especially this time of the season

          • Mike Pop

            Definitely.

  • McCaff

    nice CC interview on espn.com

    • http://nyfaninboston.blogspot.com/ Manimal

      Yeah its on their website. LOL @ him not having his custom suit for the press conference and going to the Big and Tall store for a suit.

    • http://nyfaninboston.blogspot.com/ Manimal
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  • Jay

    I believe batting Arod before Tex will be a HUGE mistake. I think I understand WHY he’s doing it — basically because in 2008 Arod hit better with runners on than Tex did.

    However,

    (1) that was NOT the case for the three years 2006-2008 combined.

    (2) when the pressure is on, Arod can be counted on to wilt — the greater the pressure, the more likely he is to wilt.

    3) except for his big 2007 year, Arod has been putrid in late inning pressure situations — especially with pressure on. Last year, for example, his OPS in late inning pressure situations with runners on was an ASTONISHINGLY bad .554.

    INCREDIBLY stupid decision. I thought Girardi was smart. But between some of his bullpen moves in terms of leaving people in when they’re clearly out of gas and this, I’ve concluded that he’s clearly not. Very disappointing. The only upside is that between his stupidity, that of ownership for overpaying for Arod even after no one else was bidding for him, and our incredibly overrated “captain” who won’t even try to make Arod feel welcome on the team, it will be easier to finally give up my painful addiction of rooting for the Yankees. It’s become like rooting for an idiot Goliath.

  • Jay

    Obviously, I meant:

    I believe batting Arod AFTER Tex will be a HUGE mistake. I think I understand WHY Girardi’s doing it. It’s basically because in 2008 Arod hit better with runners on than Tex did.

    However,

    (1) that was NOT the case for the three years 2006-2008 combined.

    (2) when the pressure is on, Arod can be counted on to wilt — the greater the pressure, the more likely he is to wilt.

    3) except for his big 2007 year, Arod has been putrid in late inning pressure situations — especially with pressure on. Last year, for example, his OPS in late inning pressure situations with runners on was an ASTONISHINGLY bad .554.

    INCREDIBLY stupid decision. I thought Girardi was smart. But between some of his bullpen moves in terms of leaving people in when they’re clearly out of gas and this, I’ve concluded that he’s clearly not. Very disappointing. The only upside is that between his stupidity, that of ownership for overpaying for Arod even after no one else was bidding for him, and our incredibly overrated “captain” who won’t even try to make Arod feel welcome on the team, it will be easier to finally give up my painful addiction of rooting for the Yankees. It’s become like rooting for an idiot Goliath.

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