Apr
16
Game 10 Spillover Thread II
BySo why couldn’t Phil Coke stay in the game?
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Opening Day Countdown
14 more sleeps until Opening Day 2010.
So why couldn’t Phil Coke stay in the game?
14 more sleeps until Opening Day 2010.
Can someone tell me why Girardi gave up on Pena already…
ill get back to you when i figure out why he gave up on coke after 1 batter
Ransom had the game winning hit yesterday I guess and he figured he was starting to hit.
In an alternate universe, we just scored the go-ahead run.
I’m going to Lohud wheres theres more reasonable fans
Heh, gold.
maybe Axl, Steve B-Ball, and Swishers Evil Empire couldn’t find this thread.
I can hope right?
But hope only gets you so far.
I don’t think you should be allowed to be a B-Jobber and have Nick Swisher’s name in your newly prefixed web-handle.
Pretty sure if you asked your new hero Swish if Joba should be in the bullpen, he’d tell you “Fuck, no, that’s retarded. Not even Jorge believes in that lunacy anymore.”
i laughed at this
Coke is kinda sucking lately.
Edwar should have faced Sizemore.
Uh, Coke retired Sizemore.
And Girardi wasted two relievers to get 1 out. Sweet.
you’re right, you leave the homer prone righty in to face one of the best hitters in the AL…
i’m sure you’d feel the same if Sizemore takes Edwar deep.
Honestly, have the Yankees had a worst player than Cody Ransom on their 25-man roster this century in the non-Miguel-Cairo division?
Tony Womack?
Great minds …
When two engineers get together…
You talk shit as an aspiring actor gets all the women?
Tony Womack?
Really? Worse than Womack?
Fun Fact: Womack’s 2005 wOBA (.261) is higher than Ransom’s current SLG% (.200).
At least Cairo could make the throw from third.
Yeah, I’ll take both Womack and Cairo over Ransom right now.
charlie hayes was available to play today.
Wasnt Chris Turner the backup Catcher in 2000??
Eh, including backup catchers in this is a bit unfair, no?
Good point. Clay Bellinger then.
Who is that guy? I know he’s in RLYW’s motto, but I have no idea who he is.
backup infielder/outfield on the team from 99-2001.
He’s Cody Ransom.
LMFAO
You dont remember Clay Bellinger?? He has 2 rings!! Plus he played like every position and had a career .621 OPS!!
At least Miguel Cairo can make that throw from third without bouncing it.
Carl Pavano?
I wish Coke had just stayed in the game. Unless Veras, a major leaguer, in the Yankees’ bullpen, learns how to control a freakin’ fastball, he shouldn’t touch or see a mound unless its in the bullpen.
Jose VerasProctor, welcome to the Yankees.
The Yankees are a freaking joke!!!!!!!!
/fairweather fan rant/
We just burned through our entire bullpen in one game.
We may be seeing from Swisher again.
Umm… Don’t we have 8 guys in our bullpen.
Comments like this……
now everyone loves Coke. hilarious.
Because Girardi is displying his lack of how to handle his
relief pitchers. Why did he keep Veras in after the first double and Marte is a p.o.s.
By the Way why in the hell is Ransom still in the lineup better yet why is he still in the majors??????
I know I got mad at somebody the other day for screaming in CAPS LOCK all the time, but I absolutely must do this:
YOU. HAVE. NO. FREAKING. CLUE. WHAT. YOU. ARE. TALKING. ABOUT.
STOP. SPEAKING.
I’m getting quite used to seeing the phrase “Cody Ransom strikes out swinging” a lot on Gameday
More than Brett Gardner strikes out swinging?
I don’t think that comes up more than Brett Gardner Strikes Out Swinging.
Woops. I duplicated myself!
Why does fangraph’s win probability for the Yankees 0%? I imagine it’s close to that but I wouldn’t say 0%.
It’s rounding down — if the probability is closer to 0% than 1% it will display 0%.
8 run leads have never, in the long history of any organized baseball, been overcome. Oh wait…
Heh, remember that game against Texas a few years ago, when they came back from a 9 run deficit twice? Jorge hit a walk off homer, Tex ran him over earlier in the game … all made possibly by a shitty pen.
Yeah, Bernie Williams hit one to the CF wall to tie it up, and Akinori Otsuka gave up the game-winning HR in the gap between the bleachers and the RF seats.
i was at that game
1975 against the Angels – down 8-0, one out and no one on in the bottom of the 9th, rally to tie it, only to lose it in the 11th.
I know none of this has to do with him, but Cody Ransom is over matched in every single at-bat he has had this season. A-Rod is not scheduled to come back for another month. We need to figure something out, because this can’t go on until then. He is flirting with a .100 batting average. He doesn’t even get on base. He sucks.
maybe they should give russo a shot or someone
Maybe we can put a bag of balls up at home plate next time he hits. At least there is a chance it will draw a walk.
Some of this has to do with him.
Maybe if Ransom was a replacement-level hitter he would have done something productive at the plate today.
If Ransom has a strong, accurate throw to first in the sixth inning to get the third out with Edwar on the mound, maybe Girardi uses Edwar or Coke in the seventh inning instead of Veras/Marte, and the entire complexion of the game changes.
You don’t need to preface a correct statement with a disclaimer.
Not really a disclaimer, because all of your statement above is speculation. But he is terrible, that is clear. Hey, look at Pena up there, at least giving a competetive at-bat. For the athlete everyone says he is, he is a terrible baseball player.
At least Robertson looks good so far.
At least 1 pitcher knows how to pitch in the major leagues.
CC?
Just gotta deal with fans like this, drew.
You don’t mean me, right? I’m just trying to be optimistic.
Na, man. VO’s comment.
sarcasm (bad i must admit after a long game)
D-Rob FTW
I hope the cleaning crew can take the blood off the stadium after that savage beating in the NEW Yankee Stadium. It is a day game tomorrow you know.
fail.
Alright D-Rob, pitching like he wants to stay
Well time to take a nap, got a game at 7:30 (although the game will still be on my TV so im not totally quitting on the game yet!!). Hopefully Yankees should still win final 3 of this series (Saturday could be tough with who knows how Wang will pitch and with our luck Carmona pitches likes its 2007).
Take Care everybody!!
We’ll get em tomorrow!
at teh House that Georgie Built, still.
hehe, D Rob didn’t think that was a strike
And we had this kid at AAA?
Now the ump gives us that strike? Thanks for nothing ump.
After this game there is going to, and may very well should be a hard cry for Robertson and Melancon for prime time. Along with Bruney and Mo, and Coke (I am a believer) from the left side.
I personally like albaladejo and then you sadly have to keep marte in there, even though in his short yankee career, he doesnt instill much confidence.
Edwar, Veras I always thought would be replaced, but Edwar is Girardi’s boy and veras did have a very good year last year. I dunno, but sadly are bullpen isnt duplicating last year up until now.
I really feel bad for the fans that took out a second mortgage to see this joke of a game. Pathetic !!!!
Did someone just fart?
No, but I see a lot of verbal diarrhea.
I love how Eric Wedge is burning out his best reliever in an eight run game.
reminds me of joeT
Rafael Perez’s slider is just nasty.
Release Veras.
No.
No.
No
why?
Well Lee’s quick turnaround with a nice start today, just shows how quickly Wang will hopefully turn it around.
I love how fans leave, in one of the most historical opening days since 1923.
This was from the previous thread that I didn’t get a chance to say before comments were closed:
Joseph Pawlikowski says:
April 16th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
The most egregious offense from B-Jobbers is that they think that Joba is unhittable in the bullpen and will allow no runs.
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The most egregious offense from B-Jobbers is that they think that
Joba is unhittable in the bullpen and will allow no runsthey think they’re thinking clearly and rationally when all they’re doing is reacting to what they see like a common animal with a small cranial capacity.Fixed.
Or they realize that a good reliever doesn’t belong in the starting rotation just cause he has more than two pitches.
I think I may be the smartest B-Jobber ever, so here are some points:
- Why doesn’t Mo’ just learn another pitch and enter the rotation? ZOMFG!?
- Who’s going to take over for Mariano when he’s retired?
- Joba’s (everyone’s) fastball is better when you’re in the game for 3 – 5 outs only.
- Our bullpen’s ERA is horrible
- Phil Hughes can be just as good as Joba in the 5th starting role.
- He’ll be able to affect the outcome of 80 – 70 games, not 20.
I wouldn’t give myself so much credit if I was you. And in case you forgot, starters go for about 34 starts.
Being the smartest B-Jobber ever is like being the least retarded kid on the short bus. Congrats.
I appreciate you being civil about it. I respectfully disagree.
- Mo got a chance to start early in his career, but he couldn’t cut it and was moved to pen. How come Joba doesn’t the chance to try starting?
- No idea, worry about that when it happens in two years.
- Right, so how does this help your argument?
- Agreed, but it’s the 10th game of a 162 game schedule.
- Agreed.
- Sure, he can pitch in more games, but he’ll pitch fewer innings after all. Even though he’s only scheduled for 150 innigns this year, that’s 70 innings you’d have to make up with someone else if he instead throws 80 as a reliever.
Plus, he won’t be pitching only 150 innings per year for the rest of his career. I can’t stand the short-sightedness of B-jobbers anymore.
I think I may be the smartest B-Jobber ever, so here are some points:
Nope. I read your “points”, they’re just as dumb as all the other “points” B-Jobbers have.
Still ridiculously stupid.
Way to pat yourself on the back there, buddy.
Your first point is moot. Mo was a starter. He was bad. So they moved him to the bullpen. This is the normal progression of relievers.
Cross that bridge when you get to it.
So everyone should be a reliever? Because that’s the only logical conclusion so your statement.
It will get better.
You can’t prove that. Hughes had major issues last year. Let him work it out in AAA and take over full-time next year.
This is by far the most egregious point. 1) Joba as a starter is a long-term move, not just in the short-term as most B-Jobbers see it — so we’re talking 30+ starts. A starter is more valuable than a reliever, even a closer. It’s been proven time and again.
1. What does that have to do with Joba Chamberlain?
2. Who cares? League-average starters > All-Star closers.
3. Yeah, that’s nice, but that doesn’t change the fact that his fastball as a starter is good enough to make him an ace.
4. SSS! SSS! SSS! SSS!
5. Phil Hughes is not as good as Joba Chamberlain, and Hughes as the #1 replacement starter with Chamberlain as the fifth starter >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hughes as the fifth starter with Chamberlain pitching in relief and Ian Kennedy as the #1 replacement starter.
6. Your point? All of those 70-80 games will be high-leverage, one-run games in the eight inning, right? I love your crystal ball there, buddy.
You do realize that Joba was NEVER a reliever at any point in his career until they brought him up, right? He came up as a starter, went to the pen to limit innings. Just because he was great at it doesn’t mean that’s where he belongs. Why don’t we through Hughes or Kennedy there then? I’m sure they’d be better in 1 inning stints. Right?
While we are at it, CC has a great fastball from the left side, so let’s have him be a lefty specialist out of the pen.
And for AJ, he has an injury history, so let’s make him the 6th inning guy.
The Rotation can be:
Andy P
Hughes
IPK
Aceves
Santa Claus
then we can have CC, AJ, Joba and Mo influence 80 games each and not 20.
“Smartest B-Jobber” – Talk about an oxymoron.
You can now change your name to Francesa’s Evil Empire. Boom, roasted.
If the guys like Veras continue to struggle, I hope some of the AAA guys get some time with the big club. Some of these guys are just lighting it up, and you might as well see them get some experience.
If there are continued bullpen issues then the Yankees will move guys up and down until they get the correct bunch, there is enough talent between AAA & the majors, just a matter of getting the bunch that is going to perform together.
Between Bruney, Marte, Edwar, Veras, Coke, Albaladejo, Robertson, Claggett, SteJax, and Humberto, plus Melancon and Whelan if/when they get added to the 40-man, we will be fine.
(and that’s not even counting the young starters like Garcia or Aceves or Hacker that we could put in the big league pen to get a taste.)
My bullpen confidence level remains a 10. Because ONE BAD INNING from TWO RELIEVERS does not mean we suddenly suck. It doesn’t even mean THEY suddenly suck.
Confidence level = 10.
Melancon. Marte was used incredibly poorly. he is a one-and-done against a lefty.
i actually made another extremely compelling argument in the other thread, but when i clicked ADD COMMENT, it disappeared, I think it would’ve converted at least 5 sane people.
Do it here.
I’m sane and don’t feel like being converted in to what I can only assume is insane.
Thanks anyway
Cosign.
I guarantee you that comment was 100% less sane than you think it was.
That McDonalds ad behind home plate is making me hungry! Time to drown my sadness in cheeseburgers..
The Yankees have to find a way to get Grady Sizemore right now.
Start with Melky and Kennedy and then if need be you can add a piece or two. Make it happen Cashman.
sigh.
A piece or two? Are you joking?
SHELLEY DUNCAN!
Corrected, ERIC DUNCAN!
Whoa! Thats giving up way too much for just Grady Sizemore. They’d have to at least throw in Victor Martinez to make that plausible
Indians would never let him go. Ever.
Yeah, that’s not going to happen. Especially if you start with that. I hate the types of trades offered up by Yankee fans like this. Lets trade Ransom, Pena, Miranda and Igawa for Hanley!!!!! DO IT CASH!!!!
Ransom, Igawa, the draft right to Frederic Weiss for Lincecum.
Lincecum takes veras’ spot in the pen.
problems solved.
the draft right to Frederic Weiss
I laughed at that.
I’m going to assume sarcasm which nobody else seems to be getting?
Ransom.
yea and then we should trade for hanley ramirez to play short and albert pujols to play DH and first
then we will go out and get manny, and after that trade for hamilton
we should also pick up Roy Halladay so we can put joba in the pen
If you believe the Indians will trade Grady or the Giants will let go of Lincecum, I’ve got a bridge in Brookyln I’d like to see you and some wonderful beach front property in Iowa.
gardner, he is playing behind you. pad your stats?
I’m enjoying Eric Wedge wasting his second best reliever in a blowout game. Thank you, kind sir.
Gee, a 1-1 game heading into the 7th inning and the middle relief implodes. I’ve seen this movie before.
Veras needs to go; Marte, at best, should be a situational lefty and keep your fingers crossed.
To think some fans actually mentioned these 2 jokers in ST as the answer for the 8th inning set up vacated by Joba- these 2 shouldn’t even warm up unless it’s at least a 5 run game either way.
marte is only considered one of the best lefty relievers in the league, lets waste him for 1 or 2 batters late in the game.
No, he’s right…..
Situational leftys are overrated to me. why have a guy in your pen who can only get lefties out?
martes gotten both out and last year lefties hit for a higher average than righties against him.
http://tinyurl.com/dmactv
Correct… correct and correct
Why are we plagued with short-sighted comments today? You just effectively ignored Marte’s remarkably consistent career based on one bad month last year and one bad outing this year.
We are officially no better than LoHud if this is how things are gonna be around here now.
With great popularity and success comes the common moron for a blogger.
RAB’s rampant socialism has opened the door to the uneducated proletariat masses.
Give us your poor, your tired, your huddled morons longing to be free.
I’m not concerned with Marte’s “remarkably consistent career.” I’m concerned with what he’s done with this team since they acquired him last year which, with the exception of a handful of appearances, hasn’t been all that good.
And Teixeira hasn’t hit all that well this year. Why aren’t you saying we have to get rid of him?
Way to see the forest for the trees.
I’m concerned with what he’s done with this team since they acquired him last year which, with the exception of a handful of appearances, hasn’t been all that good.
You’ve got that backwards. With the exception of a handful of bad appearances, he’s been quite good in the overwhelming majority of his appearances.
We remember the bad more than we remember the good. There’s been way more good than bad.
because shit draws flies
LoHud is calling for you to come home.
Tough to defend Marte but using Tex’s start as an example is ludicrous.
What does that have to do with Happy Gilmore?
I guess Pena can’t hit major league pitching either.
You say this after he just had a pretty damn good at bat.
the best major league hitters cant hit major league pitching 7 out of 10 times.
Tell that to Nick Swisher
But he did stay up there for 9 pitches and made the pitcher work a little. Ransom has yet to see 9 pitches in an entire game.
Melky is swinging a good bat.
{Insert Melky hate here}
Rough game but EVERYTHING is okay.
Everybody calm down. People are talking about releasing Veras and blowing up the ‘pen. Games like this happen. Veras was pretty good last year, and it’s just been a little rough going so far. Ten games is a small sample. If it’s the end of May and he’s still stinking it up, then the team should make moves. Until then, maybe bringing up a AAA guy or two would be good. But let’s not just throw guys like Veras, Marte and Coke (who I personally like) into the trash.
Ransom can still go.
Marte has been pure crap since he came here
Marte’s pitching since he’s been here >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your commenting since you’ve been here
ietc
+ 1
i laughed
I’m sorry, but Veras has proven all too often he can’t be counted on in a close game. I’d rather roll the dice with Robertson or Melancon which I suspect will happen sooner rather than later.
I guess nobody will be bitchin’ when A-Rod is ready to play
You will.
ietc
what does that mean
Now I am sure many of you regret not taking Berroa.
Duh…. why isn’t he here…can’t be worse
Can Berroa not give up 9 runs in an inning?
No but I am sure he won’t look nearly as stupid swinging at an off speed pitch.
The hitting has not been the issue, two absolute stinkers by wang and this implosion has been the issue. The yanks have played great otherwise. Is Berroa really THAT much better that it’s worth speculating over?
Will Berroa hit better than a buck fifty? I’m willing to bet large sums of money on that. Will he be able to throw the ball to first base without a bounce? I’m willing to bet even more. He has been nothing short of an automatic out who looks foolish at the plate. I get if he just was hitting the ball well but right to the outfielders or what have you but he looks down right stupid out there. So hes it is worth speculating over.
You sure you want to make that bet? He hit .230 in a weaker league in 226 at bats. Ransom’s been fine. Tex should have scooped that ball, and he made an amazing play earlier to stymie the tribe. Sure he can’t hit, but what other options are there? If ransom picks up 2 hits, the average goes to .200. You want to make a 40 man roster move to pick up a marginally better player for the next 2 weeks? It’s just not worth it.
Ransom has been fine in the sense that the team hasn’t completely imploded while he’s on the field. Credit for that goes to the players surrounding Ransom.
In every objective sense, Ransom has been an absolute failure and has performed below even the minimum expectations.
I don’t necessarily think adding someone to the 40-man is a good idea given the relatively short time before A-Rod’s expected return, but let’s not whitewash Ransom’s performance. It’s been brutal.
Ha, Not once have I heard somebody get thanked for doing their job before Kay had to open his stupid mouth.
The only time Kay opens his mouth is to change feet
(fighting the urge to make the obvious strikethrough joke here)
I want to see this dope behind the play and C.B. Bucknor in an Ump’ Off/
Weird. We are 10 games into the season and Damaso had 1 IP before this game. Maybe this can be why he has been so ineffective? Or maybe he has some sort of mystery ailment.
Well, he was gimpy from the WBC…
last time i heard of an athlete with a mystery injury it didnt work out well for kellen “im a soldier” winslow.
Marte isnt hurt. He just cant pitch in a big market. Hes fine in Pittsburgh.
he pitched just fine in chicago
i love it
Hmmm… Robertson: 2 IN, 2 H, 0 BB, 0 R, 3 K
It’s not that they need Joba in the pen, its that they need to have their best arms in the bigs.
I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again: best Yankee relievers, RIGHT NOW, in order: Rivera, Melancon, Robertson, Bruney.
You may be right there.
Some of the more tenured guys, like Edwar and Veras, got the nod over D-Rob out of camp due to their tenure, I’d imagine.
Similar to Nady over Swisher.
Things like this have a way of sorting themselves out…
Yeah. Until Robertson struggles like he did last year. And can f’ing Melancon AT LEAST DIP HIS TOES in the ML before we get all shits and giggles about him? I know hes got the tools but please lets not count our eggs before they have hatched.
First of all, Robertson was fantastic last year, save one or two outings.
Second, Robertson and Melancon have DOMINATED their entire lives, where ever they have been, at whatever level prior to the bigs. On the other hand, guys like Veras and Coke have SUCKED most of their careers, and at age 26, suddenly had a tiny bit of success in the bigs. I think it is reasonable to say a guy like Melancon, whether he has pitched or not, is better.
And if you don’t agree, just be thankful I didn’t say Steven Strausburg is better right now than CC Sabathia…
Every party has a party pooper.
Veras has good stuff but when he doesn’t get that very first pitch strike, its game over.
His delivery is what helps and hurts him. He needs to have a little less moving parts, rely less on deception and more on throwing strikes.
It’s just strikes in general. He’s a two-pitch guy, and his curve is nearly unhittable — if he’s throwing strikes, that is. When he’s missing outside on every pitch, it’s going to become a problem. He’s not a guy who can finesse one in there when he needs to.
Other than that, how was the play Mrs. Lincoln?
I think within a month or so, the bullpen will be Rivera, Bruney, Marte, Melancon, Robertson, Edwar and Coke. Veras can’t be trusted to throw strikes and I think this regime is less likely to play the Joe Torre “he’s my guy” card.
Veras stinks. He has personally cost us 2 games this yr. Thats 20% of the yr so far. And yea April games count.
Mike A, Do you think you could use Pitch FX to look at this Ump’s strike zone? Based on the gameday graphics it seems both horrible and inconsistent, but I am not sure if I am just cherry picking a few meaningful mistakes or it is really as bad as it seems.
BJ, I’ve noticed that Gameday is pretty bad this year. Bad in the sense that a lot of pitches are in the strike zone, yet they’re called balls. I know that umps are pretty shitty, but they can’t possibly be this bad. If I believed Gameday, everybody would be a Maddux-type strike-throwing machine.
Yeah, but lets suppose Gameday is accurate, I wouldn’t mind an UMP calling a different strikezone than the standard rulebook zone (not the ideal, but obviously an acceptable and necessary part of the game) as long as he’s consistent with whatever personal strikezone he’s using. That is what the Sabermetric analysis I’ve looked at has shown, that Umps each have their own nonstandard strikezone, but they are pretty consistent within that strikezone. This guy seems to be more of a model of inconsistency, but I’d like to see the Pitch FX to be sure.
I hope the Stadium isn’t cursed. Maybe the construction crew left a piece of Big Poppy’s jersey in the foundation. Damn it !!!!
OMFG!!1!!!! …
Papi.
Did LoHud have a link to RAB today ?
It certainly seems like it. I took a break from RAB to go on with my own personal aspirations and now I am back commenting frequently and some of these new people make me go SHIKES!
Welcome to the YES Network Blogging Network.
Seriously, it’s fucking Whack A Mole in here. Normally we bat the ignorance away like Robinson Cano batting a weak offering into RF, but the morons are coming so fast and furious I feel like Vin Diesel with a flat tire.
IETC.
the bullpen looked bad today but cc couldn’t get out of the 6th inning. outside of joba, i expect the this rotation to go consistently deep in 09. the pen will end up being a strength just like last year
confidence level HIGH
Confidence level = 10
whoops. shoulda said 10
Confident in Veras, Marte, Coke, etc?
Confidence in Mo is fine. Those other guys have done squat to deserve confidence.
I have the utmost confidence in Coke solving his issues, also when his velocity gets back to the 95 it was at the end of last year he will be money again.
Veras will probably be replaced, but he isnt as bad as he is performing. And Marte can be used as a one man lefty guy.
Confident in Veras, Marte, Coke, etc?
Yes, yes, and yes. Moreover, I’m confident in the fact that if I’m wrong about them, we have numerous other pitchers in the org that can take their place and I have confidence in them as well.
Confidence in Mo is fine. Those other guys have done squat to deserve confidence.
Other than being good pitchers with good stuff, something that you fail to see because you never examine things to see if they’re true or not, you just accept your preconceived ridiculously pessimistic view as gospel truth.
Perez, now Betancourt. WTF is Wedge doing?
When you’ve only won 1 game this season, you might be excused for using your bullpen erratically. However, Joe can’t use that excuse.
2 games.
I think Jensen Lewis is the second RHRP on the Tribe’s depth chart.
Wowsers, commenting allstars today. Greetings.
lol, some have been comical.
Ya, I favorited this shit.
dude, not worth reading most of the shit, negative nancy’s, b-jobbers, trolls, etc… coming out of the woodworks today. run!
but at least the sick degenerate fucko pat is here to save the day
/glass half full
We all know why he was late, too.
It was a game of skill, honor, and deceit.
I kicked it up a notch last night and went with 2 bottles of nyquil.
It was a nice slumber.
my admiration of you grows every day. lol
fucks you up mannnnn!!!!
Is it me, or are the shadows a little early?
I love how people love to write the end of the Yankees 2009 story when we aren’t even yet out of the prelude. Do people realize that the Yankees are perhaps at their worst valley of the season? We are without our clean up hitter? Wang is not Wang? In fact hes not even Sidney Ponson. Things can only improve from this point forward.
hey things aren’t so bad, we’ve had a few stinkers here and there but we’ve had a bunch of really good games. and we are going to be at .500. Can’t really complain.
You absolutely missed the point. Your optimism is exactly the opposite of what I am talking about. We agree.
hah sorry. Its hard to tell what people mean today.
Come on Matsui…do something.
Girardi thinks hes Tony Freaking Larussa.
Count on this scenario come mid summer when Jobas innings count creeps up.
Hughes #5 Bruney-Joba-Mo
Games become 6 inning affairs with those 3 at the back end. Coke/Marte as strictly sitational lefties.
Why have Hughes waste away in AAA and not have a shutdown pen?
Look, I know we have commenting guidelines, but honestly, shut the fuck up with this. Anyone who thinks Joba belongs in the pen is an idiot.
OMFG!!!1!1!1!!!! DUHH BALL PIT.. I MEAN BULL PEN WAS AWFULZZ TODAY MANNN!1!!!! JOBA TO THE PEN MAN!
Little do people realize that the Yankees not scoring any runs doesn’t exactly help. Had they gotten ahead once the pressure would have been elsewhere and not on them.
Both Joe Girardi and Tony LaRussa know how to make lemonade from lemons.
Because Hughes is a starting pitcher.
LaRussa’s got 2 rings. Torre has 4. Maybe there’s a method to their madness? Uh…no.
I’d tell you that I’ll make a wager with you on that scenario never happening, but you’ve pussied out of all of my proposed bets so far, so skip it.
But let’s be clear: That will never happen.
Hughes is on the same innings count situation.
You know you can curse and try to shout down but the fact remains that this team would be better with Joba in the pen and anyone giving 6 innings as the 5 starter.
You can yell and scream all you want but its true. Especially since hes not going over 150 innings and especially since there is a 5 star prospect (supposedly) waiting in the wings.
You know you can curse and try to shout down but the fact remains that this team would be better with Joba in the pen and anyone giving 6 innings as the 5 starter.
You can keep saying this over and over again and it will not make true or even any less mind-numbingly stupid. People who think that putting Joba in the bullpen makes the team stronger know less about the strategy of baseball than people who have never watched baseball before.
IT. IS. DUMB. There is no getting around this fact.
You can yell and scream all you want but its true.
No, it’s really just not. It’s just not.
Especially since hes not going over 150 innings and especially since there is a 5 star prospect (supposedly) waiting in the wings.
Irrelevant. If all our middle relievers really and truly did suck and we were forced to move one of our excess starters into the bullpen, it wouldn’t be Joba, it would be Hughes, because Joba is a better starter than Hughes. There is no getting around that fact. It is the biggest hole in the argument of the B-Jobber. While there may be value in the concept of using a starter in a setup role provided that you have more than 5 good starters, there is absolutely positively not a single microscopic shred of reason to the idea that anyone other than the worst of those 6 starters should be the one to go to the bullpen.
If you were a B-Hugheser instead of a B-Jobber you may have an argument. You’re not, so you don’t, you’re just horrendously ignorant of baseball strategy.
I can’t believe this game will take up 6 hours on my DVR.
Been listening, not watching the game, but 3 BB for Matsui looks like a step in the right direction.
Why are we still batting? TEH game was over 3 innings ago!! Fangraphs said!!
I’d pinch-hit a pitcher for Ransom, he’s that bad.
I wouldn’t use Wang, though.
Too bad we couldn’t put in CC for Ransom. He’s a pretty sweet hitter.
atleast we are wearing out their pen
Salami time!!
wow…swinging for the fences cody
Cashman had a huge mistake this off season. Not waiting out the lefty reliever market. When Marte gets 3 yrs and Ohman and Beimel 1 theres a disconnect.
He totally screwed that up by not knowing the market and being patient.
While I agree that he overpaid. Marte>>>Ohman>>>>>>>>>>>>>Beimel.
Really? After all Martes appearances in pinstripes you can still say that???
What games have you been watching?
This is all because you specifically remember the bad, but don’t remember the zeroes. Everyone remembers Marte because he had a clunker in Texas. He allowed more than one run just twice last year, including the Texas game. Look at his game logs. There’s a lot you’re forgetting. I’m not saying he’s been a sterling acquisition, but your hatred for him is far, far overblown.
Your comments have gone right past light-speed stupid and ridiculous-speed stupid straight to ludicrous-speed stupid.
They’ve gone plaid!
tommy you’re a moron if you think Cashman wouldnt want a redo on that one after watching the market take hold last winter.
But hey after reading your comments here for a while I don’t think anything less, bud.
Now come up with something “witty”.
Oooohhhhh snappp!!!!
Coming from the dude who tried to hide his identity by commenting under different names. Unfortunately the stank of your shit didn’t change and everybody saw through it.
Not to mention that out of the commenters who provide the most interesting posts with the most info. Tommie is easily within the top 3. That man is dedicated.
No, that was Grantbo.
Lanny is the one who can’t make lemonades from lemons.
Ahhh, damn I got my people all kinds of messed up. Whoops.
Now come up with something “witty”.
You wouldn’t understand it, so fuck it.
You should be the Yankee GM. You probably could have signed Marte to a 60 day 200$ deal.
Overpaid yes, huge mistake, no. Its really not enough money relative to the Yankees payroll to be a huge mistake. Realistically the amount they could have bid Marte down won’t handcuff the Yanks on any future moves.
if ransom gets a hit, the ghosts did it
the hot dog champ plays baseball!
The hot dog Asian feller is warming up in the pen. Dunking his baseballs in soda before he delivers them.
here comes the offspeed pitch and subsequent strikeout
or doubleplay. even better. i dont remember any other Yankee that was worse than him who got consistent starts.
Ransom is the best.
ghost fail
Ransom DP to end the game. How appropriate.
I would really be a content human being if Cody Ransom were to never have another plate appearance for the New York Yankees. Please, sir, go the fuck away.
*Berroa’s phone is ringing*
Only if we had Felipe Lopez.
monday morning effing qbs…all of you.
Ransom is just awful.
He cant hit a lick. Thats fine. But he cant even make routine plays on D. Just let Pena play everyday. At least he has a future here.
Because this is now ugly.
Perfect.
Perfect.
I wish we had ignore buttons for half the commenters that came out today. Probably more.
Lesson learned AGAIN: Cody Ransom couldn’t hit water if he fell out of a boat.
Is the first-game-in-new-Yankee-Stadium game ending double play enough to finally convince someone to DFA Ransom??? Please???
Cody please next time, strikeout on purpose…then at least we have another chance to hit the damn ball.
BUT HE CAN JUMP OVER TEH HIGH BOXEZ!11!!!1
Can Eric Duncan be any worse? I’d give Kevin Russo a shot but he’s injured right now. Failing that, let Pena play. At least he’s a decent fielder.
Sigh… It figures the baseball gods would be red sox fans…
TEH CURSE OF TEH ORTIZ JERSEY!!!!!!!!!!!!
The million dollar question is… would Ransom be able to crack the Giants lineup? I’ll say no, but just barely
he couldnt crack the lineup of the little league hackensack giants
Am I the only person that feels bad for Ransom? He can still be a good super utility guy off the bench.
Too bad jumping high on boxes isn’t one of the tools we’re looking for. But no seriously, I don’t know if I feel bad for him, he’s the one playing extremely bad on both sides of the ball, but I don’t hate him. Just wish he would stop playing for us
I do too. That whole “being in van crash that killed 2 of his friends” thing makes me have a soft spot for him.
Everyone lighten up! It’s only the 10th game of the year. It wasn’t game 7 of the WS. The bullpen will work its kinks out, A-Rod will come back, and we will start hitting better with RiSP. Just calm down. There is another game tomorrow.
April games matter as much as Sept games.
And the pen has now blown 3 of the first 10 games.
I agree but I don’t see why everyone has to flip out over a loss. I’m sorry to say this but we are going to lose games. Many more games. And it’s silly to just go throwing players under the bus and losing your minds.
Doubt it. You put Joba in the pen, we go 152-0 for the rest of the way.
April games matter as much as Sept games.
Of course they do, that’s what everyone says. The difference is that in April, you have five months to make up for a bad loss instead of five weeks.
Lanny,
The Yanks have a .500 record right now. Yes, the bullpen has had some issues. But I’m pretty sure the ‘pen will convert more than 70% of their hold opportunities. Plus, the mian competition for the division is sitting at or near the bottom of the division. Are these games important? In a 162 game season, not really.
Am I a BJobber if I think Joba should start until about 50 innings before his “2009 limit” and then transition to the pen for October?
** Assuming that Girardi finds some consistency in the middle innings at some poing this freaking year?
And wtf is so hard about being prepared to enter a game? These guys are paid millions of dollars and have nothing to do all winter/spring/week/day except to prepare themselves to enter a game and throw quality strikes! Stop walking the lead off man!
The bullpen mound and home plate are the same dimensions as the real mound! Throw your junk for strikes already or go back to your country of origin!
Get ready for the gang of snarky know it alls here who will shout you down and curse you for even suggesting that bit of complete common sense.
Because god forbid they have a shutdown pen and put Hughes in the rotation and win 100+ games and a WS.
But hey maxing out Jobas innings limit in late Aug/early Sept is more important than the team and winning.
You realize he will not have an inning count every season of his career. But hey, one season of him skipping a few starts is more important than a potential 10+ year career.
Joba is a better pitcher than Hughes. So why put the lesser of the two pitchers in the rotation?
Its a simple decision. Would you rather have an ace or a guy who can sometimes dominate in the 8th inning?
TEH 8th INNING!1!1!
Good starters are more valuable than great relievers.End of story. If you don’t believe me, check the salaries.
http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/
Who’s a better pitcher at this point–Joba Chamberlain or Phil Hughes? The answer is Joba Chamberlain. More innings of him (rotation) and less of Hughes (sharpening his skills at AAA) is much better for the Yankees than more innings of Hughes at the MLB level and less innings of Chamberlain in the bullpen.
Get ready for the gang of snarky know it alls here who will shout you down and curse you for even suggesting that bit of complete common sense.
You’ve never even met common sense.
Unlike the rest of these guys, I don’t have a problem with the idea. You are basically trading letting Joba start till he hits his limit and then shut him down vs. Let him get close to his limit while Hughes/Kennedy/ Aceves hone their craft in the minors and show what they can do, and then bring up the best of those guys and put Joba in the pen. The problem with this is that there are just so many unknowns that to suggest it is kind of pointless, and at the same time it gives ammunition to the people who want Joba in the pen NOW. We don’t know if the bullpen gets turned arround and goes back to last years performance, if a starter gets injured diluting the pool of who could come up from the minors as a Joba replacement, if Wang doesn’t figure out a way to get his mechanics on track and lower his arm slot, or if any of the AAA guys would even perform well enough that the dropoff from Joba in the rotation would be worth the the bullpen help. With all this uncertainty, is it worth putting yourself any closer to Francesa than you absolutely have to be?
But lets say we get to Joba’s limit, the other 4 are pitching well and healthy and Hughes or someone else is tearing up the minors. I would have no problems switching Joba at that point, assuming it was pretty certain he would reach his innings limit by the end of the year. As long as he pitches the same number of innings, value wise he is better off pitching as many of those as possible out of the bullpen due to leverage giving bullpen innings more value.
The problem with this is that the bullpen innings are probably more strenuous, meaning it might be unwise to push Joba to the same innings cap as a starter/reliever as you would if he was just a starter. There may be more injury risk in the pen, meaning that you risk him long term and also risk him not getting to the limit. Also, it would be difficult to figure out exactly when to switch him so he would be able to reach his limit in the pen, as reliever work is obviously less frequent and less regular than starter work. Finally, there is the problem that he wouldn’t be stretched out going into the postseason. But is this really a problem, in a short series with a horse like CC would you really want Joba as a starter or primed to back up the top 3 as a reliever?
I think it is an interesting idea but now is not the time for it.
I’ve just checked through Gameday after watching on ESPN America. and as I thought CC was really getting squeezed…11 strikes called balls in 5 2/3….I don’t know what is reasonable….but that seems a little much to me!
Obviously the clutch hitting cost us again….typical of the last 2 years, extra base but not when there is anyone on base.
Question: Do the sox get better by moving Masterson to the rotation?
No. I think they had him pegged correctly as a set up guy with his sidearm/three quarter arm slot. He’d be effective against righties. Sort of Mike Timlin with an even more pronounced side delivery.
Did my comment just get deleted?
I’m sorry…must’ve missed it. When was Robertson called up?
Also, I’d like to say that I’m not a Veras fan, nor have I ever been. Everyone else = A+, but Veras’ control has always worried me.
If this was football we would be in the first quarter of the second game.So try to relax some of you!
actually…Veras was squeezed too.
But Marte was awful…then robbed by the umpire 4 balls called while almost straight down the pipe against Crowe…just before the Gradyslam!
http://baseball.realgm.com/src.....eal_model/
Pimp.
I betcha that’s how he “tweaked” his hamstring and missed out on his call-up yesterday. Girls love him for his laptops. He steals only the best.
I am in no way a B-Jobber, so even if he only tops out as a average starting pitcher, isn’t that more beneficial to the team than having him in the pen?
SHIT!!! This was suppose to go to the Masterson comment above, I’m shot.
Some of you people really need to take a step back and put all of this into perspective. It’s the 10th game of the year, they have 93.8% of the season left to get the pen and every other problem with the team straightened out.
RELAX.
The regular commenters are relaxed. We just riled up when the LoHudians, FanNationites, and ESPN Messageboardians come out to play and don’t play by the rules.
I’m well aware.
BREAKING NEWS: The Yankees will lose more than 50 games this year. More on this story as it develops.
omg srsly?!!?11!?1!
Well at least KG might miss the playoffs.
I thought one of our strengths was the bullpen. Right.
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