Pedroia calls A-Rod a ‘dork’

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Not all Yankee fans appreciate, respect of like Alex Rodriguez, but when members of the Red Sox start going after one of our own, well, we have to call them on it. In a wide-ranging profile in Boston Magazine that no self-respecting Yankee fan could ever read, Dustin Pedroia calls out A-Rod. “That guy is a dork,” Pedroia says about A-Rod to Tommy Craggs. Interestingly, Pedroia’s not-so-original takedown of A-Rod came after the diminutive MVP winner asked Craggs to strike his prior comments on the Yanks’ third baseman from the record. I wonder what Pedroia really thinks of A-Rod.

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  • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

    … the diminutive MVP winner asked Craggs to strike his prior comments on the Yanks’ third baseman from the record. I wonder what Pedroia really thinks of A-Rod.

    http://tinyurl.com/da7y8a

    … It’ll come to you.

    • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

      1. Lol
      2. I definitely did that once before.

      • Mike Pop

        I am sorry for UConn ;(

        • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

          Well, we’ve still got the women to play today and (hopefully) Tuesday and after all, baseball starts tonight and the Yankees start tomorrow–and I got tickets for the May 16th game vs. the Twins yesterday so overall, it’s all good–kind of.

      • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

        Oh, I knew I got it from somewhere, just didn’t remember. Yeah, that was classic, man, kudos.

        • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

          :)

          Man I made that comment during the Winter Meetings! Seems like yesterday, doesn’t it?

    • History Teacher

      Listen, I’m not A-rod’s biggest fan, but I will not stand for Pedroia taking a shot at him.

      Here’s my quote: “Pedroia…that guy is a MIDGET!”

      …Also, as proven by MLB the Show… he can’t hit he high inside fastball. Here’s my projections for Pedroia this year:

      .213 BA
      3 HR
      36 RBI

      BOSOX SUCK!

      • Whitey14

        I will not stand for you throwing out assinine projections!

      • Chris C.

        Now you’re the dork.

  • Moshe Mandel

    So not only is he the size of a high schooler, he acts like one too…

    • http://liberalmusings.wordpress.com Pablo Zevallos

      That’s a low blow.

      • Moshe Mandel

        Given his size, its a really, really low blow.

        • http://bigbluepinstripes.blogspot.com/ LB

          Ba da bum

    • http://www.youtube.com/kevyyankees Kevin G.

      You know what that leads to…
      FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!

  • http://liberalmusings.wordpress.com Pablo Zevallos

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5b9YdMbG1I

    That’s all you need to know.

    • donttradecano

      cant wait for joba to stike him out on the high fastball

      • VO

        IETC

      • zzzzzz

        strike him out? joba already likes throwing at youk’s head, i wouldn’t be surprised if we see joba brush pedroia off the plate in a big way.

  • DCR

    I was instantly reminded of the anti-drug commercial featuring the Ninja Turtles where they proudly proclaim “Drug dealers are dorks, don’t even talk to them!”

    I hope Rodriguez rolls Pedroia into a tiny ball and slams him like a basketball.

  • donttradecano

    Now see if a yankee made this comment about pedroia, the media would be up in arms killing the yankees for being evil and immature.

    • GG

      true that, “irrational A-Rod slams Pedroia”….I hope A-Rod has a chance to rock him during the season, just lay him out cold

  • Yankeegirl49

    I’m actually glad he said this. I want the players to hate each other as much as the fans do. I miss the days of Nettles and Lee going at it. It sucks to see Jeter laughing and celebrating with guys like Youkilis and Pedroia during the WBC. Back in the day the rivalry was between the individual players as well as the teams, I liked it like that!

    • Steve in MN

      I couldn’t agree more. I’d love to see Burnett nail the munchkin. That said, man do I like Pedroia (blasphemy I know). If Cano tried half as hard as this guy we would be set. No I don’t think he deserved MVP, but I do look at him as (almost) their version of Jeter-the kind of guy you hate to see come to the plate, but have to respect. I’m always surprised how many of my Sox friends actually like Jete, just not when he’s playing their team.

      And now let the castrations begin…

      • Andrae.H

        Steve in MN, what is it that makes you think Padroia tries harder than Cano. Did you read the article?? stop looking at his size and believing that because he is small and white that he just works harder than everyone on the else. Dustin Pedroia has a world of talent in a small body. This notion that Pedroia has to work harder than everyone else is b.s., the guy is just good.

        If Pedroia goes out at hits .282, the response is, its not like that he did not try, but Cano hits .282 its because he’s lazy and needs to work harder!

        wtf?

        • Mike Pop

          Lazy Dominicans…….

        • GG

          dude, you can tell by the way they carry themselves, pedroia works harder, takes things more seriously. Which makes it ironic that he calls A-Rod a dork seemingly for being so serious about baseball. Pedroia is just upset he doesnt have A-Rod’s abilities. Cano doesnt care, he got paid.

        • Steve in MN

          Andrea,

          What makes me think that Pedroia tries harder? I watch the way the two of them play. And I’m not the only one who thinks Cano is pretty lax, that’s a very common sentiment. When he’s really into it he’s great, no doubt, but just from watching the two guys you can see that one consistently tries harder than the other. it has nothing to do with size or anything else, I don’t think I even brought that up in my first post so I don’t know why you referenced it. I never said he has to work harder, just that he does work harder. And why are you bringing up the color of his skin?

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            And I’m not the only one who thinks Cano is pretty lax, that’s a very common sentiment.

            It is a pretty common sentiment, you’re right.

            What time does the Klan meeting start this week, btw? I’d hate to be late again…

            And why are you bringing up the color of his skin?

            Because the color of Cano’s skin is like 99.9999999% of the reason why he gets called “lax” and “not a hard worker” and all that other ignorant racist crap.

            • Jack

              It’s at seven, and it’s your turn to bring the casserole.

            • Steve in MN

              Yes I’m clearly racist, as evidenced by the fact that I called a white guy a hard worker and said a latino should try a little harder. I would love you back up your “Cano’s skin is like 99.9999999% of the reason why he gets called “lax” Are you saying everyone who has ever said he needs to work harder is racist? So Girardi is racist? I just don’t get how you can make inflammatory comments about someone based on a few sentences. Ever stop to think that you have no idea what color my skin is? I love the internet…

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                Alright, you’re right, I went overboard.

                I’m sorry, that was a little uncalled for on my part. My apologies.

            • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

              “What time does the Klan meeting start this week, btw? I’d hate to be late again…”

              Dude, you know that’s a little unfair. I agree with you that the media/public tends to attribute the success of certain white players to their effort and “grittiness” and attributes the success of certain non-white players to their athleticism and their failures to their lack of effort or laziness. It’s pretty tough to argue with that assertion (there’s a long, undistinguished record of such idiocy) and I agree it’s based in racism and is BS. But it’s a little harsh to call someone a Klansman because he says Cano sometimes looks a bit “lax” in the field.

              I agree with you and I know you were exaggerating, but that’s a pretty harsh accusation to throw at someone who said what Steve in MN said.

              • Babe’s Ghost

                Props to you TSJC for your apology and clarification. You’re one of the most prominent voices on the blog and what you did showed leadership and maturity.

                This is why I read and comment on RAB and not LoHud. It’s fine to make a joke and poke a little fun at someone, and I’m sure that was your intention, but there’s a line that shouldn’t be crossed and I respect you for admitting that.

            • Babe’s Ghost

              Please refrain from name calling, particularly the unsubstantiated accusations of racism like,
              “What time does the Klan meeting start this week, btw?:

              That’s extremely toxic. Take it to LoHud.

              As for the question, “Is Cano lazier than Pedroia?” Stereotypes definitely influence perception, so let’s go with the data.

              First, what does lazy mean in the context of baseball and how could we measure it? To me lazy means, not working hard all the time such that you don’t live up to your potential, i.e, not running out groundballs, breaking into your home run trot before the ball clears (or doesn’t clear) the fence, not getting into position for relays and generally not maintaining concentration in the field.

              It does not include whether someone goes out to bars with their friends, but it might include whether someone reports to camp out of shape or gains weight during the season. It would not include batting average or offensive stats in general, but might include how much someone works in the cage.

              Unfortunately most of these things are hard to measure. But Bill James’ Good Fielding Play (GFP) vs Defensive Misplay (DM) statistics probably provide a window into someone’s ability vs. their tendency to lose focus in the field. (hat tip Joe P)I know that Cano led the league in GFP last year, but was 4th worst in DM. that suggests to me that he has plenty of ability, but isn’t concentrating consistently, i.e, is lazy/immature.

              If someone has access to Fielding Bible VII, I would love to see a comparison of Cano vs. Pedroia over the years, particularly whether Cano’s DM increased after he signed the contract and I will definitely be looking to see if Pedroia shows a similar fall off now that he got his big contract.

              Looking at Zone Ratings, I’m struck by two things. (Before I begin, I’m not counting Pedroia’s first two seasons, when he only played 213 innings total.)
              First Pedroia is a marginally better player in the sense that his zone rating is higher .825 vs .803, out of zone plays (OOZ) are higher, both absolutely (35.5 vs 31.75) and as a percentage of total plays (OOZ/p) (11.7% vs 8.6%) But more importantly, Pedroia is more consistent with a smaller standard deviation for each statistic (ZR .0014 vs .0292, OOZ 2.1 vs 14.9, OOZ/P 1.1% vs 3.1%)

              Granted this is a small sample of only two seasons of Pedroia, but in my opinion Cano’s lack of consistency supports the ‘lazy’ argument.

              FWIW, I did a sensitivity analysis excluding Cano’s first season on the assumption that he was ‘learning the ropes’ and it makes him look somewhat better (ZR 816, OOZ 36, OOZ/p 9.4%) but his standard deviations are still much higher than Pedroia’s. I also tried excluding the 2007 season on the possibility that he was just ‘lucky’ in those 1408 innings and it makes him worse absolutely, but somewhat less inconsistent. (ZR drops to .793, OOZ 24.7, OOZ/p 7.3% with SD of .026, 5.5, 1.8%)

              So as a Yankee fan, I have to hope that Cano was lazy rather than lucky, but can turn it around and harness his innate ability to repeat his 2007 performance.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                Please refrain from name calling, particularly the unsubstantiated accusations of racism like,
                “What time does the Klan meeting start this week, btw?:
                That’s extremely toxic. Take it to LoHud.

                You’re right, I shouldn’t have done it, and I apologize.

                However, I’d like to point out that while my namecalling was stupid and toxic, Steve from MN also engaged in namecalling. He said Cano was not a hard worker. That’s namecalling as well, and there was just as little evidence proffered for that characterization as what I said.

                My quip was sensationalist and pretty ignorant. I think Steve’s comment was also pretty sensationalist and ignorant, though. There’s no compelling evidence that Cano doesn’t “work hard” or is “lazy” or “lax”. What there is is a huge legacy of racist vitriol ignorantly portraying Latino players as being lazy, lax, and lacking a work ethic. That’s what I reacted to (albeit with language that was too strong and needlessly ignorant) and that stereotyping is wrong, just like my comments were wrong.

                • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  Dude I appreciate that you gave an apology, I think you did the right thing and I’m sure you don’t actually think the guy is some rabid Klansman or anything. Just one thing though… I think you should be attacking the branding of a player based on anecdotal, observed evidence, and not the racist implications of branding a player, in this particular case. I think it’s unfair to brand Cano as “lazy” because of what we observe with our eyes. Some guys look like they’re working hard and some just don’t, and that appearance isn’t necessarily accurate as to their effort. Anyone who has ever played a sport can tell you that. And clearly there’s historically been a problem with people attributing white athletes’ success to effort and non-white athletes’ success to talent (and, of course, attributing non-white athletes’ failure to lack of effort). But, in this case, I think you can admit that some people who think Cano is lazy or sometimes lacks effort aren’t being racist but are just saying “well he doesn’t always look like he’s putting in maximum effort, so he must be lazy.” I don’t know if Cano sporadically lacks motivation or not, I don’t think there’s any way for me to know that. But that doesn’t mean there haven’t been times where I’ve watched him and said to myself “well that sucks, people are going to question his effort on that play.” He’s one guy that happens to be open to that speculation from some people (which, again, I happen to disagree with), and I think it’s because of the subjective impression some have of his play on the field and not necessarily because of his ethnicity.

                  But I think that the real mistake that was made here – the idea that you can tell how hard a guy plays based solely upon appearances – is totally open for attack.

                  Now, if/when someone insinuates or flat-out states that Cano is some lazy Dominican or something, that someone should be taken to task accordingly, because clearly that’s fucked up.

                • Steve in MN

                  http://www.usatoday.com/sports.....2360_x.htm

                  http://thebronxzoo.wordpress.com/tag/lazy/

                  A quote from the 2nd:

                  “Cano isn’t necessarily lazy, but he is susceptible to falling into some mental lulls that can truly hinder his overall level of play. He himself admits that he needs some sort of structure and rigid discipline in order to remain focused.”

                  Maybe I just used the wrong word, apparently lazy gets people fired up. How about “I wish Cano had the focus Pedroia does”? The dude is a pro ball player, has been for awhile. he shouldn’t need other people to tell him when he needs to hustle more.

                  It is subjective for me to say I don’t think he hustles enough. But it’s nothing that hasn’t been said before by people who know better than all of us what happens on a baseball field. His scouting reports all the way back to when he was in the minors all say he lacks hustle at times. This has nothing to do with the color of his skin, these are observations from professional scouts.

                • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  Yeah, whatever, I know where you’re coming from re: Cano. We’ve all heard that he has lapses in concentration from numerous sources, including coaches and others who presumably should have some sort of an informed opinion about these things. I try not to judge a guy’s effort based on my own visual and subjective observation, but I can’t go too crazy about other people doing that or trusting people who should know more than us.

                  I’m just thinking a bit about the bigotry aspect of this conversation that came up above. I really think it rears its head more in the perception of players whose performance on the field doesn’t necessarily lend itself to the subjective observation (with an attempt at objectivity) that the player either plays hard or not. i think that’s really where the bigtory issue comes up. If you have two players who are really good, the white one will tend to get accolades because he’s a hard-worker and gritty and all that BS, and the non-white one will tend to get praised for his natural athletic talent. That stuff is BS. But when a guy, over the course of a few seasons, gives the impression through his play on the field that he maybe has sporadic lapses in concentration? I think the bigotry angle probably (or maybe I should say “hopefully”) plays a little less into that particular situation.

                  Whatevs, we’re (and by “we” I guess I mean “I”) beating this into the ground at this point. I understand where you’re coming from and I get where TSJC was coming from. I think it’s a little more of a gray area than we usually allow for in these conversations.

            • Chris C.

              “And why are you bringing up the color of his skin?

              Because the color of Cano’s skin is like 99.9999999% of the reason why he gets called “lax” and “not a hard worker” and all that other ignorant racist crap.”

              Oh, right. And that’s also why Adam Dunn is called the same thing. Because of the color of his skin.

            • Chris C.

              Because the color of Cano’s skin is like 99.9999999% of the reason why he gets called “lax” and “not a hard worker” and all that other ignorant racist crap.

              LMAO. So that means only .0000001% of the reason he is called “lax” and “not a hard worker” is because he actually is “lax” and “not a hard worker”.

              In another terrible comment, someone once referred to Cano as “black”.

        • Chris C.

          “Steve in MN, what is it that makes you think Padroia tries harder than Cano.”

          Gee, I don’t know. Maybe the fact that Pedroia seems to spend more time hustlng on the field, and less time thinking of ways to cut the mustard.

  • Jeremy

    So what? Yankee fans have called ARod far worse.

    • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      I’ll have to respectfully disagree with your comment. This guy who sits near me at the Stadium once said that he heard that Trot Nixon likes to lay underneath a glass coffee table while hookers poop on said coffee table so that he can watch the poop fall out of the hookers’ bums and land on the glass. I don’t think that makes it ok for Jorge Posada to say those words.

      I take it back, the “respectful” part of the bargain is hard to uphold. Your comment is retarded.

      • Jeremy

        But Pedroia didn’t say ARod’s into watching hookers defecate. I agree that would be a problem. Pedroia said “that guy’s a dork.” That’s a 6th grader’s insult. It’s almost meaningless.

        As for Trot Nixon, those hookers are just lucky they survived.

        • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          I didn’t say Pedroia’s comments are so horrible or that I think this is the biggest deal in the world, I just said that your statement, that it’s ok for Pedroia to make that statement because fans say worse things all the time, is wrong.

          • Jeremy

            I don’t think it’s ok. I think it’s nearly irrelevant because the insult is so mild.

            Having spent so much time on LoHud, I guess I’m just inured to trash talk about ARod. PeteAbe has repeatedly called ARod a liar and a clown, and several of his commenters have called for ARod’s expulsion from the team. So when a player on our biggest rival calls ARod a dork, I shrug my shoulders. It’s the abuse ARod gets from Yankee fans that really bothers me, not a PG-rated insult from Pedroia.

      • JimT

        Makes for an odd contract addendum “Must have glass coffee tables on the road”.

      • steve (different one)

        Trot Nixon = Sylvester Stallone? would explain the roids, i guess.

        • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          Heh, you busted me. That story is freaking nightmare fuel.

  • JimT

    You ask a question, you get an answer. What is he supposed to say if he genuinely doesn’t like the guy.

    • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      Puh-leeze. That’s weak. I don’t really care what Pedroia thinks of A-Rod and I think this is fun to discuss for a minute and then it’ll fade into oblivion (hopefully), but that’s a weak defense of Pedroia. People who live their lives in the public sphere are asked questions about sensitive topics every day and they give diplomatic or even evasive answers to those questions, as long as those answers are minimally controversial. Please don’t play the “well he was asked a question, what else could he have said” game. That’s ridiculously weak.

      • JimT

        If you prefer a non answer/ answer that’s your choice. To me he simply answered the question. I guess you can conclude that Pedroia is niether diplomatic or PC. He didn’t attack Arod’s baseball skills, he alluded to his people skills and Pedroia’s sense of where he fits as a teammate. You don’t see people making these types of comments about D. Jeter ,for example, because beside his considerable baseball skills he interacts better with other people.

        It doesn’t mean that Arod isn’t a great player, he is. It doesn’t mean that he cann’t be a difference maker for the Yankees, he most certainly can. It just means that Pedroia thinks that Arod is a “Dork”, so what?

        The rest of that stuff, “people say I’m too small”, “my swings too long”, “scouts said that I would never make it” ect. ect. is just a personal motivation tool. Its nothing new, Wade Boggs,Yankee greats such Billy Martin and Yogi and countless others used the criticisms from others as motivational tools that helped push them to their best. It seems to also be working for Pedroia.

        Besides Yankee fans don’t need this kind of trivial nonesense to dislike Pedroia. He gives them more than enough with his play on the field.

        • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          Your whole response is full of strawmen and is irrelevant to the question at hand, so I’m just going to go back to your original comment. You asked, “what is he supposed to say?” How about “he’s a good player, I don’t really know him personally,” and assorted other answers that aren’t lies but aren’t insulting or controversial. He didn’t have to open his mouth and insult the guy just because he was asked a question, and he can be faulted for that. You may think it’s fine for him to say whatever is on his mind, that’s your call and it’s subjective. I think that’s a pretty immature way to look at things, and I’d bet Pedroia himself regrets making that comment for that very reason. Taking a shot at A-Rod personally like that, however mild the insult was, was an immature move for Pedroia to make and it makes him look like a punk. It was unprovoked and uncool.

          • JimT

            You want these guys to be too PC. They’re baseball players, not diplomats. You’re right, Pedroia used an unfortunate turn of words. He likely regrets what he said and wishes that he spoke in the guarded words you outlined. But for me, I prefer to hear his more accurate feelings. He wasn’t profane, yet he let his true opinion through.

            I loved it when a reporter would ask Gary Sheffield his opinion just after a big game or significant event. His responses were always straight from the hip and born from true emotion. Sometimes they could be a little “out there” but they were a reflextion of his feelings. I liked that, and didn’t think any less of Sheffield because frankly I don’t know Gary Sheffield. When people would get upset by his answer I always felt the same way. If you’re going to be troubled by the answer then don’t ask the question.

            As fans we should never lose sight of the fact that we don’t really know these people. Their persona as a ballplayer may be very different from whom they are away from the stage. Heck, even Arod might be a decent guy away from “The Big Stage”.

            • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

              You want these guys to be too PC. They’re baseball players, not diplomats.

              You call it “PC,” i call it “mature.” I prefer maturity from all adults, not just baseball players, and especially from adults in the public sphere.

              You’re right, Pedroia used an unfortunate turn of words. He likely regrets what he said and wishes that he spoke in the guarded words you outlined.

              Agreed! (Everything beyond this point in this comment is pretty pointless, this is the only important point. End of story. I just continued with this response because I’m clearly a little OCD.)

              But for me, I prefer to hear his more accurate feelings.

              Meh. Your call. But I will note that you just said “you’re right, he probably shouldn’t have said it,” then turned right around and said “but I like that he said it.” So, you kinda said you’re wrong.

              He wasn’t profane, yet he let his true opinion through.

              Yeah, he’s a true wordsmith. Also: Irrelevant.

              I loved it when a reporter would ask Gary Sheffield his opinion just after a big game or significant event. His responses were always straight from the hip and born from true emotion. Sometimes they could be a little “out there” but they were a reflextion of his feelings. I liked that, and didn’t think any less of Sheffield because frankly I don’t know Gary Sheffield.

              Ok, it’s fine if you say “I like people who are honest.” That’s all well and good. But if Sheffield said something you found jerky or wrong, wouldn’t you “think less of him?” Whatever, I also think this is kind of irrelevant.

              When people would get upset by his answer I always felt the same way. If you’re going to be troubled by the answer then don’t ask the question.

              I’m sorry, but that’s asinine. A person does not elude fault for his objectionable opinions/statements because his opinions/statements were solicited.

              As fans we should never lose sight of the fact that we don’t really know these people. Their persona as a ballplayer may be very different from whom they are away from the stage. Heck, even Arod might be a decent guy away from “The Big Stage”

              Here, we agree. Note that I never said Pedroia is a bad person. I said he acted immaturely and I even said he likely regrets making the statement under discussion (which means I think he’s probably not so immature (but who knows) since I allow for the possibility/probability that he realizes why he shouldn’t have said it). So, kind of a straw-man argument here. (And nice job getting in an extraneous shot at A-Rod.)

              • JimT

                I agreed with you concerning Pedroia’s comments only in the context that it seemed to upset people and because Arod wasn’t there to defend himself. My greater point is that I personaly don’t really care what Pedroia (or any other ballplayer) has to say. Its just their opinion.
                Besides, they’re paid to play baseball not to be polished in front of the media.

                Truthfully, if Sheffield said some jerky thing it really wouldn’t influence my opinion. If he did something that hurt someone, abused a member of his family, something evil, my opinion would change. Otherwise its all just theater.

                So, we can agree that Pedroia’s response wasn’t mature and guarded. OK, I’ve got that. I just don’t think that his direct answer to a question was that bad. Isn’t it fair to ask if the answer was likely to be controversial why did the member of the media, who should be savy to the ways of his medium ask the question? I guess it wasn’t a very mature question.

                That was a bit of a cheap shot at Arod, I should chill on that, he already gets enough barbs.

                • Chris C.

                  “I agreed with you concerning Pedroia’s comments only in the context that it seemed to upset people and because Arod wasn’t there to defend himself.”

                  Boo-hoo. Where was Jeter when AROD did his magazine cover story in which he diminishes Jeter’s value to the Yankees?

                  Pedroia was asked a question, and he answered it. What do you want from the guy? It’s not like he went on some expletive-filled diatribe. In fact, he probaply gave a pretty mild assessment of what alot of people feel about AROD.

  • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

    Wonder how all the Sox fans who were up in arms about Tex’s comments about his free agent negotiations will feel about this one.

    And, just a thought, but maybe 25 year old guys with male-pattern baldness and desperate Napoleon complexes should refrain from calling other people dorks, no? Glass houses, yadda yadda.

    • donttradecano

      well played.

    • JimT

      The way the Tex comments were framed by the press was designed to get a response. I’m a Red Sox fan and wasn’t bothered at all by his response. If you take a step back and look at his choice, the Yankees were a better fit and they offered more money. That’s what free agency is all about, the player making choices.

      • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        That’s a very mature and reasonable response, but clearly I was referring to the mouth-breathers who freaked out about Tex’s comments and not to people like you. I didn’t refer to all Sox fans, I said “Sox fans who were up in arms about Tex’s comments.” Obviously there are mouth-breathers on both sides of the equation and there are reasonable adults on both sides of the equation. But that doesn’t mean you can lay all the blame on how the press presented the issue (with regard to the Tex comments), the evidence is out there on the internet for anyone to see how some people responded to those comments.

        • JimT

          OK, fair enough. I’m not laying all of the blame on the press. I’m just making the point that Tex’s comments were presented in a way to soliciate those types of responses. It was somewhat mindful of the over the top response of Johnny Damon signing with the Yankees. Fans seemed to forget that the Red Sox had signed him as a FA from Oakland earlier. It’s the nature of baseball.

          • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

            Ugh. This is tangential, but it’s a pet peeve of mine. It’s weak to blame the press. Just because the NY Post (or insert Boston rag if you please) says something retarded about an issue or “frames” an issue a certain way doesn’t mean I have to be a mindless drone and agree with what they say. It’s not the press’s fault some people are stupid.

            Look at your own comment. You bitch about the press and lay blame for public perception at their feet, then say it’s like “the over the top response of Johnny Damon signing with the Yankees. Fans seemed to forget that the Red Sox had signed him as a FA from Oakland earlier.” You’re right, it’s the FANS who make the decision how to feel about an issue, not the press. And the fault for that lies with nobody but those fans.

            I don’t give a shit how tabloids or even ESPN present an issue, the responsibility for each fan’s opinion lies with that fan, not the media.

            • JimT

              In some respects we are saying the same thing. I keep my own opinions. Where you and I part is that I don’t always see a balanced perspective in how certain things are reported. If for example Red Sox fans are reported to be “foaming at the mouth” at Tex’s comments. I would ask which fans, where fans, are they representative of the Red Sox fan base. Frankly most Red Sox fans I speak with have given Tex’s comments “a big yawn”. Yet it gets reported as a big deal.

              You caught me in a bad example because Damon really did stir emotions amoung Red Sox fans. He was much beloved as a Red Sox player both because of his quirky nature and energy for the game.

          • GG

            Its not just baseball, football and basketball too. If Bostonian’s didnt love to run their mouthes about stuff when they don’t know what they are talking about, the media would not keep throwing fuel on the fire. As the Honorable Congressman pointed out, that doesnt apply to you or any sox fan who comes on an NYY blog and formulates rational responses to Yankee fans.

            • JimT

              GG, Boston doesn’t have a monopoly on loud mouthed, ill informed fans. The internet seems to bring out some of the best and the worst in people.

    • Jeremy

      I know how those Sox fans will feel.

      “PEDROIA IS AWESOME FOR CALLING OUT DORK-ROD!!!!11 TEIXEIRA SUCKS”

    • billbybob

      Dude, he’s such a dork for going bald. I mean what a clown.

  • Mike Pop

    A-Rod may be a dork, but Pedroia probably wishes he was half as good as him. I’d want to be a dork like A-Rod anyday ;). But, I’m an A-Rod lover.

    • http://www.youtube.com/kevyyankees Kevin G.

      But, I’m an A-Rod and Burnett lover.

      • Mike Pop

        Heh, yea. Well pretty much my favorite pitcher and favorite position player on the Yanks. Hughes is a close second, and same with Tex.

  • Januz

    I honestly do not think that the comments are any big deal. The Red Sox don’t like the Yankees and vice versa. When it gets out of control is when a punk like Pedro Martinez throws Don Zimmer to the ground.

    • Whitey14

      Holy crap, are we going back to that ridiculousness again? If that had been Grady Little charging Mariano Rivera he would have been just as justified in chucking his tired old ass to the ground as Pedro was in chucking Zimmer’s.

  • Tripp

    Classless team. Can someone job my memory of the last negative thing a Yankee said about a member of the Sox?

    Besides Hank.

    • Mike Pop

      A-Rod told a VT player that he disliked the Red Sox?

      • Tripp

        Really? That’s interesting. I never read that. But I was referring more to A Yankee coming out and saying something derogatory term about a Red Sox member.

        What Tex said was just that he Sox didn’t follow his rules. I didn’t really see anything wrong with that.

  • Russell NY

    It’s easy to knock someone when you are entering the prime of your career and he is out. This whole article seems like a stretch to me. After reading it I came back with the “7 pages about nothing” article. Seriously, how much can you write about someone being “scrappy”? Little jealousy there over ARod always being the man. I can understand frustration at that point but a legend to me is someone who never makes excuses.

    • Andrae.H

      this is not about him being scrappy, the article debunks the myth of Pedroia being scrappy and then goes on to show us why we even use it only to talk about white guys.
      “The magazine made a point of drawing a contrast between the scrappy Fox and the “flashy” shortstop Luis Aparicio, which was typical of the era. This was, after all, an arduous period of integration in baseball, and the influx of black and Latino ballplayers was greeted with a lot of clumsy euphemizing and pathetic armchair sociology. Writers pointed to black ballplayers’ “indolence” and “insouciance.” The Latino players, for their part, were stereotyped as brazen, hotheaded, flaky. And neither blacks nor Latinos could “perform up to the white ballplayer when it comes to mental alertness,” Alvin Dark famously said in 1964, when he was managing the San Francisco Giants—Willie Freaking Mays’s Giants. In such a climate, the word “scrappy” easily became something of a shibboleth among fearful people who felt baseball’s heritage slipping away. And as Thorn points out, the game’s “unstated quota system” ensured that the handful of black players who did crack a major-league roster were necessarily too good to be called merely “scrappy,” one reason the word has remained so stubbornly monochromatic to this day.”

      Then the article makes Pedroia look like one of those douchy little guys who thinks everyone is out to get him because he is little. which may or may not be true.

  • casey

    People say Pedroia is gutty and gritty but this article makes him sound jealous and whiny.

    “He was the man. He’s always been the man, everywhere he’s been,…Me and Youk want to be the man, but we’ve never been looked at like that….So that drives us, he continues, now thumping the table, “to be even better”—THUMP—”and better—THUMP—”to prove to everybody we’re just as good as they are. You know what I mean? How come people don’t think like that?”

    Thumping tables? That gets you a time-out, not an MVP in our house. The use of “they” in the sentence “To prove to everyone we’re just as good as they are” sounds like he’s a little jealous of Jeter too because that sentence was about playing with Jeter and A-Rod in the All Star game.

    • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

      “He was the man. He’s always been the man, everywhere he’s been,…Me and Youk want to be the man, but we’ve never been looked at like that….So that drives us, he continues, now thumping the table, “to be even better”—THUMP—”and better—THUMP—”to prove to everybody we’re just as good as they are. You know what I mean? How come people don’t think like that?”

      You know, except last year when you won the MVP and Youk finished 3rd in the voting…

  • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

    Heh, didn’t Ian Kinsler call out Pedroia last season because the latter was being an absolute douchebag when he took Kinsler’s spot at short stop on the ASU squad?

  • MurrayPresent

    Arod might be a lot of things but dork isn’t one of them. It just seems like a pretty lame insult. There’s so many other things he could have said. It seems pretty anemic to me. I’d like to make a big deal about it, but I can’t. It seems like a lame, dorky insult.

  • RCK

    A-Rod craps bigger than Pedroia.

  • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

    If Pedroia insists on making an ass of himself, who cares?

    As long as we beat them on the field, he can say whatever he wants.

  • GG

    Will ESPN put A-Rod on the DL already for fantasy, want to make that pickup!!!! It’s like they hate the Yanks so much, they punish A-Rod fantasy owners. You would think when one of the best players in the game goes on the DL, it would be updated rather fast, but no update last night or this morning, instead the newswire has something about Jon Lester’s mechanics, sick.

  • El Generalissimo

    I actually am happy he said it… Arod gets so much shit, at least when it comes from Red Sox, Yankee fans will unite around him… I hope all of Boston comes out and hates on Arod more publicly, especially while he is hurt. It’ll make the fans embrace the best player on the team. What a novel concept.

  • Pete c.

    Must be, the beginning of the season’s right around the corner.

  • Joe R

    Anyone know if they put A-Rod in the great hall?

  • http://bigbluepinstripes.blogspot.com/ LB

    I’m surprised this story wasn’t breaking news on BSPN

  • Hawkins44

    Thanks for posting that article and wasting 20 minutes of my Sunday… he calls AROD a dork and hates his home town because they had the audacity to arrest his brother on child molestation charges? The town should love him because he plays for the Red Sox? Who cares, I actually liked Pedroria until I read that article, he seems like a tool.

    • frankb

      Well if it talks like a tool and acts like a tool…..

  • frankb

    To me, Pedrioa’s comments in this article distinctly embody the the bias in the media – in general, not just ESPN – towards favoring the Red Sox organization and their players.

    I think it was mentioned earlier… had A-Rod (or any other Yankees player) made these comments are anything resembling these comments, it’s front page tabloid material and it’s on SportsCenter all day, with analysis from Peter Gammons, Buster Olney and Steve Phillips.

    This is just further proof that Pedrioa… is a dick. It is what it is. A-Rod’s a fraud… Youk is a whiny baby… and Pedrioa is kind of a prick. I honestly can’t recall one Yankees player worth a damn to make any derogatory comments about any Red Sox players. The only example is Hank calling out Red Sox Nation (which was hilarious). And in reality, those comments were just toying between Hank and John Henry who happen to be friends. But who couldn’t resist opening his mouth about it? Jonathan “Paps” Papelbon. Yet we’re still the bad guys…. while the Sox mouth off however they want.

    It’s a troubling double-standard. And it’s ONE of the reasons I love being a Yankees fan!

  • Rich

    I think Freud would call it penis envy.

  • kSturnz

    Red socks’ shit doesn’t stink. It won’t stink until they start to become desperate and have to use that ‘excellent’ depth they have. will be fun

  • Conan the Barack O’Brian

    So Spedroia got a case of Papelbonitis…
    big deal. the season is about to start and we’re set.

  • Rob S.

    Thanks because I had begun to not completely hate, loathe and despise Pedroia as much as I have in the past. He had fallen out of that class (or lack of) of Red Sox player that I really can’t stand (think Papelbon, Youkilis). Now my hatred has been rekindled at the thought of that lucky overrated little punk calling A-Rod a dork. A-Rod craps bigger than you small fry. Thankfully those video game commercials have taught us how to pitch to you since you can’t hit the high inside fastball and your MVP days are over you little goof.

  • Tom Zig

    How dare the diminutive one call A-rod a whale’s phallus.

    Really, a dork, is the best he can come up with? When did I stumble into my delorean and go back to 3rd grade?

    What did A-rod ever do to you, that behooved you to comment?

  • Lenny D

    Pedroia should take a good look in the mirror before he calls anyone else a dork.