May
31
Game 50 Spillover Thread II
ByEric Wedge just did the Yanks a big favor.
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yes, yes he did. like i said in that last thread, at this point in the game you give the finger to the matchups. pavano was rolling.
Yeah the Indians bullpen has been bad. Let’s knack on a few runs.
Who’s up for a shot of JD?
Make it a double!
Zing!
So, when does Wang go back to the rotation? On the next turn through? Or does he not yet have the stamina to get deep into games, and needs more work out of the pen?
I’m very encouraged by how Hughes threw the ball today, but not so much the results. I can see Wang back to the rotation on the next turn.
Andy Pettitte is a starting pitcher!!!1!1
ATROCIOUS!!!
I think you get past Wednesday, and then figure it out. Wang might start that game, but if Andy’s good to go…then you have to make a call. I mean, Andy might tweak the back in his bullpen session tomorrow, and now all of a sudden Wang takes his slot while Andy gets a DL stint.
Wang needs another good inning today, then 3 more good innings backing up Pettite against Texas. He wont make his return against Boston or TB- I’m looking for him to start against the Nationals during June 16-18
Wedge got wind of the swish beat up pavano game strategy.
I love it. Thanks Wedgie.
+1
Red Sox fans are SCREAMING as the cute Asian NESN lady gives them the out-of-town update.
Yeah thanks for taking Pavano out!!
DAMON i love it. bring them home tex
Pavano just reaggravated his buttock, he will be on the DL for 60 days.
Fusilli Jerry?
lol. buttman
Really? Is this necessary?
i love it come on tex.
2005 Aaron Small = 2009 Omir Santos. Let’s just hope he hits long enough so that the Mets fully commit to him (like trading Ramon Castro, hah!) and then he returns to Earth.
but he’s a winning player!
wish he left him in, cause tex has been better from the right
ok no more swings like that please.
Come Tex I want wang to get the win baby
Probably knew he was in trouble and didn’t want to give Yanks the satisfaction of pounding him any further…
Didn’t both the Rafeals blow the game for Pavano last time we versed them?
Heh, this decision is going great for Eric Wedge.
Wow, Wedge…it just gets WORSE.
Did Betancourt just pull something?
This is why you don’t pull your starter just to play matchups!
oh Betancourt is hurt?
yes
who’s injured?
Betancourt
love it.
He should go straight to Kerry Wood here. Let’s see if Wedge learned his lesson.
B..Bu..But it isn’t the 9th. How dare you go against the book!
He was still stretching when he got to the mound, maybe he should have informed his coach that he couldn’t get loose?
No, Wedge should have known. Just like Torre should have known Proctor was hiding an injury out in LA
Can they go to anybody other than Jensen Lewis here? Does Wedge have the balls, or the audacity, to go to Kerry Wood for the five-fingered save?
I assumed Lewis as well, but it looks like they’re getting Matt Herges.
lets go Teixiera! Just a single here ties it!
Let’s get that ERA up.
The Indians are the Yankees of a month ago…you see one injury and then it’s a domino effect…
TEX!!!
niceeeeeeeeeeee
Tex!
TEIX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Love me some Teix
i just went from six to midnight!!!!!!!!1
Man, I thought that was gonna be caught. Not bad, Tex.
So glad Pavano isn’t going to get the win.
I’m surprised to be watching this game and not witnessing trillions of bugs. Can someone explain the deal with the midges? Humid nights cause them to jump from the river?
THANK YOU ERIC WEDGE!!!!!!!
Awesome. Eric Wedge just effed Pavano in the aye.
Yo luv this guy man.
I LOVE TEX….
I’m still wondering why we didn’t resign the Giambino..
Tex definitely sent a message there. ;-P~~~~
TEX BABY!
Big Fucking Texy.
I like this. BFT
Isn’t this basically the same scenario as the last time Pavano pitched?
Yes it is. I was at that game actually. He outpitched Burnett at home and the Rafeys blew it.
TEX!!!
dear pavano: Fuck your win.
lmao
eat it Pavano
too early to start thinking MVP?
Yes. And Zack Greinke is the MVP right now.
I dunno perhaps you’re right about Tex, but I kind of think along the lines of the other major sports and think the MVP should come from a winning team. Not that the Royals won’t be there at the end, or the Yankees will be there, but yea ultimately it is probably too early
I agree with that sentiment to a point. However, if a player is just head and shoulders above all else (i.e. 2008 Albert Pujols; currently 2009 Zack Greinke), they should not be punished for the suckitude of their 24 teammates.
Yankees talking to Pavano like Deniro in Raging Bull – “You never got me down, Carl. You never got me down!!!”
Maybe if Carl actually pitched how he did today when he was with the Yanks, he would have enjoyed having a certain best closer of all time saving his games….. instead of these schwoogs
BUST! He’s still not hitting .300 or OBP’ing .400
tex= player of the month in the american league…hes gotta be right
fuck that…he’s straight up MVP baby!
I don’t know, that Joe Mauer guy is having a great month too.
I hope we see 2007 Cano…
nice work again by Cano
C’mon Robbie
who comes out to pitch the 8th for the yanks?
CMW
Not at the first pitch robbie…
So, does Wang pitch the 8th here, now that the Yankees have tied it up? What if they take the lead?
I’m guessing he’s out, although I haven’t seen any shots of someone in the pen . . .
I don’t see why not, he’s looked great, almost everything’s been on the ground, and he’s been pretty efficient.
all we need is a base knock
Are the uniforms that cleveland are wearing today their 2009 home unis?
cmon Robbie just a single
Robbie, why are you tapping at the would-be ball 3?
I would bet Cano would swing at a pitch out. Has he walked yet in his career?
yes
Herges = Mitchell Report
Still a good AB Robbie
Where’s Melky! We need a comeback
He can pinch hit as long as he bats righty today.
Cano didn’t see a single strike in that AB.
I’m more upset about the pitch he fouled off before grounding out. That was pretty clearly ball 3, and the following pitch would have resulted in a walk.
Should be “most upset”. He swung at a ball that he couldn’t really do anything with.
Yah…Would’ve done better to keep his bat on his shoulder.
Coke in the 8th?
Dunno if anyone has said this yet, but doesn’t our bat boy look like Hideki Irabu??
Maybe he can pitch the 8th.
I thought that dude looked Hawaiian.
how large is that Jeter “out” looming now?
You can’t assume the homerun after that, it’d be a different situation. I’m happy how this is going
yea, i know
Ok wang NONE OF THIS BS not right now.
Garko bunting? Really?
Time to witness another failed and overrated sac bunt.
Here’s hoping.
Nice…one more out!
Yup, thanks for the out. Seriously bunting is SOOO overrated.
Oh and what I meant was sac bunting to increase the chances of scoring.
Seriously. Gotta love giving a free out to your opponent after the pitcher throws 4 out of 5 balls out of the zone.
Shoppach 0-3, all k’s. No reason this guy isn’t an automatic out.
His 123 OPS+ as a catcher last year begs to differ with you.
True…but the guy’s having a horrendous day at the plate and hasn’t looked good up there.
Yeah, but the reason that he’s not an automatic out is that, he’s not an automatic out. I’ll take the larger sample size of his whole career over the 3 ab’s today.
I was a little worried about Wanger coming in after 3 pitching changes and an injury delay.
Nice
Big F’n K
Was that last pitch to Shoppach a sinker?
Yeah, a good one too.
Crazy. When that thing is good it just goest straight down, and there doesn’t seem to be any break to it. I see where he gets the ground balls, just don’t understand how they’re swinging and missing it.
Certainly looked that way, why?
Awesome.
Let’s touch up Wood, bring on Mo, it’s a wrap.
Think Wedge brings in Wood in a tie game?
CMW is starting to get his form back. Ball has nice movement and is staying down more often than not. This is good news.
Even though no one scored, I’d be still be worried about Wang. He kept a lot of “sinking” fastballs way high and out of the zone. That can’t be a sign of progress.
Are you watching the same game the rest of us are? Every single swing and miss is a sinker low. He’s absolutely dealing right now. They’ve hit one ball out of the infield on the fly in three innings
That last inning he was pretty inconsistent. He left them all up to DeRosa, then had them down again to Shoppach, and then in that last AB they were all up again.
Hence the concern. I do think it has to do with endurance; when he gets tired he tends to drop off to the side and his pitches don’t sink so well.
I think we were watching different games
can’t argue with the results tho
3rd inning. Looked like he was getting a little tired.
That’s probably why he’s not starting yet – he needs to build up the strength to go 6+ innings.
What excuse are going to use NOW ??
Wang’s back baby !!!!!
There’s nothing wrong with giving him a few more appearances out of the pen and getting Hughes another start. It’s not an excuse in the slightest. I don’t understand why you think it would be.
because mustang lives to see conspiracies everywhere. It’s not being conservative…it’s disrespecting Wang!
No because i see Hughes and the gang as young pitchers who are developing not the second coming.
Oh yes anything to keep Mr. “Big three” hughes up. No bias what so ever. Wang is a 38 game winner number 2 starter when he is on and it looks like he is. He is being wasted in the pen in the mop up row.
The Yankees are a better team with Wang in the rotation when he is on the end.
Operative phrase there is “when he is on.” He looked good over those 3 innings, but is he ready to start? If the explanation for him being so horrible early in the year is that he wasn’t conditioned due to the foot injury, I can see giving him more time.
But yeah, when he’s right, he should bump Hughes, no question.
Well that was the first sinker he’s really left up and he got away with it. I assume he pitches in the ninth if the Yankees don’t go ahead. Why not? The guy has been awesome thus far
Let’s just get ahead and bring in Mo.
That would be ballsy. I like it. Gives him some confidence.
That down and in sinker to righties is just sick.
Shoppach looks like Shelly out there.
basehit, then a homerun…prediction.
swish.
or a walk and a homerun.
If the Yanks knock on Wood, they’ll win for sure.
Remember when everyone thought the Rays got a great deal getting Joyce for Jackson in the offseason? I know it’s still too early to judge, but damn has that worked out so far for the Tigers.
at is John Flaherty talking about? There is no way Kerry Wood has 14 years as a pro.
He was signed/drafted in 1995.
He’s been a professional baseball player since 1995.
Drafted in 95. It is now 2009. So yeah, 14 years.
Swisher will not disappoint.
Would the MLB allow Matsui to take an AB while on a Segway?
old man needs his walks
I’m so glad Wood is no longer capable of throwing that slurve he had 10 years ago. It was something halfway between Joba’s slider in ’07 and Hughes’ big curve, at 85-90 mph. Looked like a damn Wiffle ball.
There it was. But you’re right, it doesn’t have the velocity on it that it used to.
Swisher ain’t bunting, Kay, you fucking idiot.
OK.
Swisher is bunting, Girardi, you fucking idiot.
WHoops.
You know, I’ve always been of the thought that you never pinch run for a good bat until they get in scoring position.
yea but Matsui is just so slow and we can pinch run to get in scoring position
This comment made no sense.
What, they pinch ran so they could sac bunt? So they could get to GARDNER?
well, i was guessing that Pena would steal to get in scoring position…i had no idea Swish would bunt
Bunting so Gardner can drive him in? Fucking insane.
for real. Terrible idea.
great bunt.
there goes my prediction….fucking retards. bunting.
Did Swisher just bunt? Is the pitcher going to hit too?
I can sorta see bunting Swisher, since both him and Wood are strikeout oriented, but when the next hitter is Brett Gardner . . .
These bunts are giving me a headache.
Why would you have Swisher bunt when Wood just walked a batter? Misuse of talent there. Then you have Gardner swing!?
Seriously. Swisher is a walking machine.
Wow!!!!
Wow! Lucky hit.
See? You didn’t need to bunt Garnder.
Well it worked sorta.
Ok, that works, heh.
I have to send Gardner with Jeter batting though – no DPs, please.
It’s Posada
Er, Posada. Heh.
Po first
HA
Grit
ill take it lets go jorge.
Maybe Girardi will have Jorge squeeze now.
fearing a gidp
Yep you can almost see it taking shape.
Gardner needs to steal here
Agreed.
+1
That’s why
Gardner has to steal 2nd here.
Got to send Gardner.
I actually agree with that bunt. You had to make sure Posada got up in this inning
You were SO worried about Swish GIDPing that you give up his at bat altogether?
In a tie game, yes
Great call.
You really have to send Gardner here to prevent the DP.
Yeah. You did.
Sigh.
Send Gardner then send Pena on the throw. That would be something.
Horrible call.
WHOA how is that even close to a strike?
That pitch was high.
AND THERE’s THE DP GIRARDI YOU FUCKING IDIOT!!!
kerry wood isn’t that quick to the plate either
FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
what’s the point of Gardner if he doesn’t steal 2nd?
And that’s why you have to start Gardner there…
Argh.
Great, just great.
damm posada all we needed was a sac fly.
He had to swing at that after the BS call on the pitch before. He should’ve been looking at a 3-1 count with a sure fastball coming
Cervelli could have done that.
Girardi blew it.
No way Garder did not steal. God damit!
fucking jopo all he had to do was get the ball out of the IF
Girardi: WTF?! How do you not send Gardner?
Why not have Posada bunt while you’re at it? Or just let CMW pinch run for Gardner! WTF!!!!
it’s hard because CMW is already in the game.
I totally blame Brett Gardner – why didn’t he attempt to steal?
He was waiting for the 6th pitch.
Because he probably didn’t have the green light.
I’d guess our best (only) base stealer has the greenlight almost always.
Not when he’s a rookie, that right has to be earned
You don’t steal on your own in that situation. Girardi should have sent him
what the fuck. you’ll bunt, but not send gadner? bull shlacka
Girardi – that inning was why I no longer like you as a manager.
Absolute incompetence. I’d expect that out of Dusty Baker. But, damn. idiocy.
I understand you don’t want to make the second out on a steal but come on…
What is the point of gardner on 1st if hes not going? Send him on the 2-1 count, stay out of the DP.
Was it last year when Jorge Posada didn’t ground into a double play for like a long time before his first one?
So that is just stupid managing. You trade an out to advance the runner, then get your fastest man on 1st with less than one out. Old Mother Hubbard batting – no speed – and you don’t send the runner from 1st.
Just don’t get it. Bad bad decision.
Wait, why are we blaming Joe Girardi for Brett Gardner not attempting a steal?
Because rookies don’t have the green light all the time.
Because the manager is the one giving the signs
Usually, with young guys on the basepaths, the signal comes from the bench. A guy like Jeter or Damon has the green light, but a Pena/Melky/Gardner doesn’t.
No I think we are blaming Joe for not sending him.
That would have been a better swing if the hit and run was on… ah… crapo
Well that sucked.
On the bright side, Hughes has a 21/3 K/BB ratio in his past three games.
Aysh.. now coke is in.
Why is that concerning?
Not too much confidence in him…
That decision by Girardi could save the dumbass move by Wedge.
Fuck!
Cmon Coke!
Are they going to plan to stretch Wang out or do they not see him as a starter anymore?
Are you serious?
You don’t think he could have pitched longer?
why phil coke?
why not?
To save Mo I guess.
WHY PHIL COKE
This is bad news bears.
Ugh. After that BB, I fear a walkoff.
The walk is a bad sign, yes.
yeah..got that feeling in my stomach.
damnit throw fucking strikes. WTF
I think Coke has the -itis.
the yankees WILL score in the 10th with the top of the order and no cleveland pitching left to speak of. so why no mo?
Because then you need to pitch the bottom of the tenth
I completely agree
and his arm can’t hold up for 2 innings anymore after a day of rest?
He IS 38 years old.
I don’t want him for two but an inning would be ideal. At the very least, you guarantee yourself getting to Tex
If Eric Wedge outmanages Girardi I might just lose it.
dumb
Wow, I guess Girardi really wants to get Coke some work in
Coke makes me nervous. Luckily their top of the order isn’t much.
I hate when people say this shit. It’s a jinx waiting to happen.
Knock on wood, d00d.
You know how you know your home crowd sucks? When the opposing pitcher throws over to first base and you don’t hear any boos.
Man, this ump is not calling the bottom of the zone at ALL.
Thanks for the free out. Again we’ll witness a bunting failure.
high leverage enough for yall?
Oh fuck.
:gulp:
Robertson – this is a big spot, boy.
:gulp:
Robertson – this is a big spot, boy.
Robertson strikes out the next 2 batters.
everytime we blow good chances to score in tie games, we lose…or so it seems.
Well for you people wanting Robertson in a big spot, here it is!
At the very least, Pavano doesn’t get the W from the game. That was really my primary goal of the game. I’d love a W on our side, but as long as that shitbag Pavano doesn’t get it…!
Call me crazy, but with the winning run in scoring position, don’t you want your best guy out there?
+1
Yeah, my first thought was “Wow, surprised he’s bringing in Mo here. Usually managers don’t do that on the road.” Then I saw it was Robertson.
Would you have let Wang continue pitching, or make the switch that Girardi did? I’m not questioning the move. Just curious.
C’mon D-Rob.
Pitch 1 was a strike.
Where is this Ump’s strike zone?
Don’t walk him. Mmkay?
this ump needs some glasses…or to stop drinking gin between inning.
Veras could’ve done that
Veras would have lost us the game by now.
just settin up the DP
Walk the lead off guy?
not the lead off guys, hence the man standing second.
Coke walked the lead off guy boss
Walk isn’t the worse thing in the world… I’ll take a DP ball now.
you’re right the only base runner that matters is the one on second.
Double play?
walks walks walks….boo hoo hoo.
If this isn’t a save situation then i don’t know what is!
Mo would be ideal.
:gulp:
Not feeling good.
Must be very muggy in Cleveland today. There is just some fucking stupid managing going on.
Girardi must be trying to save Wedge’s job.
Dude. WTF!
A strike would be peachy.
paging robertson’s control….
Robertson is getting squeezed.
Not in that AB he wasn’t.
needs me some strikes.
does joe girardi realize how idiotic he is managing? or does he not care?
There must be some back room deal with Wedge.
God damn it. Mo and Aceves. That’s it? Those are the only guys we can trust? Come on BP. Step up!
sittin dead red/
Well shit.
fuck
Argh. At least Pavano didn’t get the win.
balls on my chin, that sucks.
This was one of the worst managed games I’ve seen all year
so in the future if girardi doesn’t bring robertson in a big spot we now know why.
INDIANS WIN THE PENNANT!!! INDIANS WIN THE PENNANT!!! INDIANS WIN THE PENNANT!!! INDIANS WIN THE PENNANT!!!
Wait, no?
My tv just committed suicide.
Robertson? Really?
Great so B-Jobbers are going to all over this game.
Our lead over the AL East if Boston wins which it looks liek will be cut to .5 games.
still in 1st.
Barely, and you must remember they have won all 5 head-to-head games against us so even if it’s the same record in the loss column…they would be in 1st place “technically”…
Good thing there’s 110+ games left.
Good to see you can even find a way to complain about being in first place.
Either way it would be cut to .5 games since Toronto started the day 1.5 back with Boston.
this game was lost when gardener didn’t steal
Yes
No
The same way they pulled Pavano I think we did the same by taking out Wang… bad move.
Thanks, Joe.
Absolutely stupid managing, Joe “Dusty Baker” Girardi.
Fucking idiot.
I can’t really complain about that, I mean the guy pulled one down the line on a pitch right on the black. Yankees still played a damn fine game outside of that Posada DP
It’s not so much the hit down the line that’s frustrating, it’s the inability by both Coke and Robertson to throw strikes leading up to that hit down the line that should drive us all insane.
I guess, but when you’re sitting dead red on a fastball it’s not too hard to pull an inside pitch.
worst ninth inning this year!!!
Posada double play and then walk the damn leadoff guy
This pen is really pathetic. Can we pleaseeeee make a move?
Call up Melancon. Hopefully he can be the saving grace of the bullpen.
and then when melancon gives up a hit or two in high leverage situations who are you gonna ask for?
IT’s not about giving up a hit. WALKS WALKS WALKS.
the situation stays – say melancon’s control/command aren’t where they should be….like his previous trip up to the bigs. then what are you gonna want the yankees to do?
bullpens are very volatile. they can be lights out one time and suck it up the next. with the wealth of arms the yankees have it’s all about finding the right combination of guys to be successful. it doesn’t help that 5/7 of the opening day bullpen are either hurt or sent down. getting marte and bruney back will be HUGE for the bullpen.
I know, but right now, we have two guys that Joe has confidence in. One is used as a long man and the other is our closer. These walks are piling up and always seem to burn us. We need to find some consistency.
I’m going to shoot in the dark but, do you want Joba in the pen?
and what move would you like the yankees to make? come on. people were clamoring for robertson to get another call up and now people want them to make ANOTHER move. what else is there to do?
Give me a break. I’m not Cashman, I don’t know, make a trade, call up someone who can throw strikes, do something.
With the winning run in scoring position you go to Mo. You can’t save him for a lead which might never come.
Exactly, Robtertson pitched well last night and if that last hit was right at Arod they turn two and go to the top of the 10th. Sometimes things don’t go your way.
adhering to the stupid idea that mo can only come in once we have a lead cuz you know that’s when there’s a save situation. Mo is 38? Well fine. Guess that means we should bust out the “Mo Rules”
Dear Joe,
I want to thank you for taking the pressure off of me.
Your pal,
Eric Wedge.
It happens. Gardner should have been stealing but whatever, not a big deal. If Jeter was called safe, like the replay showed, Mariano would have been there in the 9th.
Oh well…the B-team Indians (missing all 3 of their best hitters) beat our A-team. What are you going to do…
They executed on their lead-off walk, we didn’t. Fcuk.
I’d rather get blown out than sit through a game like this. A move as simple as sending Gardner, probably wins them the game. As somebody who is not opposed to Girardi, I am very livid with that man right now. Just a really poorly managed game.
Or you keep Gardner at 1st and leave a whole to the right side of the field for Posada
Or you send Gardner, stay out of the double play and the possible winning run scores anyway with a runner at 3rd and 1 out.
There is no reason why we should not have won this game…. oh wait there is, Joe not sending Gardner.
Bad way to end May. A few things 1. Not getting Tex in after he hit the double that would have been a nail in the coffin. 2. At some point Gardner has to go when it’s first and third. Even if he is out there is still a man on third and Posada at the plate. 3. Gotta throw strikes.
#3 trumps #1 and #2 any day. It’s the basic rule. No hit with a RISP happens, not sending a runner happens, but when not throwing strikes happens, you ain’t winning…ever.
Good point, I was going chronologically.
You know, I’ll take 1 run in 4 innings from the bullpen every time. If they scored that 1 run in the 6th or 7th everyone would be complaining about the offense not getting the job done, but because they scored the run in the 9th the bullpen sucks and Girardi is an idiot. I don’t think this loss is on the bullpen personally.
Thank you, they actually looked pretty good today from what I saw. They had a ton of unlucky breaks in the A-Rod scorcher that hit high off the wall, the Jeter being called out and the laser that Gardner hit to first. Sure there was the Gardner liner to center which is possibly the hardest defensive play in baseball, the lack of stealing 2nd and the lead off walk by Coke but games like this happen. We’re in first place with Joba going tomorrow, buck up people!
The ’8 inning guy’ walked the lead off guynin a tie game. That’s horrendous
I wonder if LeBron is available for comment.
Heh, that really doesn’t say much for Lebron.
I remember Jeter being accountable and answering all questions after Boston won Game 7 in Yankee Stadium in 2004.
Has Espn let Lebron have it for this? Especially after the way they’ve worshipped him all year?
Mo answered for hours after Game 7 2001
I know Yahoo Sports wrote “LeBron’s silence speaks loud enough”
very sad loss
wang needs innings, he was only at 42 pitches, he had just thrown 3 scoreless. Frustrating game to say the least, and Gardner better have a “sore hammy” after the game. No other reason why he shouldn’t of gone.
Because Girardi didn’t send him.
because him at first gives posada a huge hole on the right side of the field
Girardi makes me want Torre back……. and I hated Torre!
How can people give a pass to this loss? Horrendous job by girardi coke n robertson
Hope Coke knows his “role” now!
It’s to throw FUCKING strikes!!!!!
Even if you give up a HR to the leadoff guy, much better than walking him!!!
id rather have him walk a guy then give up a HR
How about a horrendous job by the Damon, Teixeira and ARod for not getting a runner home after a leadoff double. Or a horrendous job by Gardner not stealing second or misplaying a ball in center. Or a horrendous job by the umpire costing a run. Or Phil Hughes’ not exactly stellar start.
This game is not on the bullpen, it’s just a loss, they happen.
True, but it still doesn’t take away from the fact that you need to throw strikes.
Nothing worse in baseball than walking the leadoff guy in the 9th.
After that kid had the nerve to open his mouth “I don’t know my role” he deserves to be criticized. Shut the fuck up and throw strikes.
Man, I hope Bruney comes back healthy and stays healthy. Right now we only have two guys we can trust in high-leverage situations (Mo and Aceves). That might get us by in the regular season, but you can’t roll with that in the playoffs.
That’s why regardless of whether Bruney comes back or not, Cashman needs to make a trade for a decent setup guy.
I heard earlier this week they were looking at Greg Sherrill or Valverde.
We need the insurance.
Plus doing so, will shut the B-Jobbers up,….well probably not.
Who are they going to trade for that’s going to be significantly better than Melancon?
Doesn’t matter. I hope Melancon is the real deal, but he’s unproven and too young.
Hell, even if the kid does great, they still need an extra arm… due to injuries…. depth etc.
Can never have enough pitching. Hopefully they can find someone without giving up too much. However, the time to get Melancon up here is now, stop fucking around with Veras.
Wait a second. Let’s see Melancon for a few innings before we start saying he’s better than a guy with over 100 saves and a career 1.1 whip. Melancon can be great, he can also be not so good, let’s see him get the call and make pitches.
*George Sherrill….and he’s awful. he’s no better than any of the in house relievers we have, in fact, he may be worse.
With the exception of Melancon is there really any help we can bring up? What’s the alternative? Houston Street? They’d probably ask a lot for him too.
Actually, I’d say it’s the opposite. You can ride a couple of relievers in the playoffs, because of the off days.
Over the grind of a long season, you need more than that.
Amazing how quickly everybody loses faith after one loss. People need to learn that pitchers don’t always have perfect control. I’m sure Coke didn’t go up there thinking, I think I’ll walk this guy. Robertson was fine walking a guy with a man on second. His last pitch was 92 mph right on the black. Sometimes you just have to tip your hat to the batter
Then again its the Yankees and a lot of people are expecting us to go undefeated. Sad really.
Wrong. As a MLB pitcher, you need to be able to throw strikes at this level. If you can’t, you don’t belong here.
Groove one over the middle and make him get a fucking hit instead of a free pass.
In Phil Coke’s press conference he stated “Sometimes on Sunday afternoons I just don’t feel like throwing strikes, I know I’m supposed to, but I just want to walk a few batters to make it fun, what’s the problem?”
Some of us aren’t satisfied with mediocrity.
To me I take positives from the game like Wanger. Also Philly looked okay when he could’ve imploded.
Let’s not act like this bullpen talk is indicative of one game, it’s manifested itself of the first 49 games. No one is “losing faith,” we’re voicing our concerns.
I agree with that, the bullpen needs something, don’t know what it is because they’ve tried lots of different pitchers, with little success, but you’ve got to trust Cash to take care of this, he’s built a pretty good team.
The problem with losses is that they are losses, and the reason that they are losses is that the things that go right in a win, don’t go right in a loss. Not every loss is a result of same mysterious break from expected patterns. Sometimes it just happens. When a team goes 162-0 then you can tell me a team shouldn’t lose games
Agreed. Some of the reactions here during the game were ridiculous. Calling Joe an f’ing idiot? Really? I did not see one indefenseable decision today. Just because you dont agree with a decision does not make it wrong. There were things I would have done differently, but sometimes there are two right answers. I’ll go through them.
1) Bunting with Swish- The reason most of us hate bunting is because it is playing for one run and giving up outs. But then one spot where a bunt might make sense is where you are playing for one, especially with a hitter in a bad stretch and Gardner playing fairly well recently. I would not have done it, but it is not necessarily a bad baseball move. Everyone just hears bunt and alarm bells go off.
2)Not sending Gardner- again, I would have sent him, but if he gets thrown out, you no longer score on an out. I wonder how high the odds of a DP there are compared to the odds of a caught stealing. I bet they are close.
3) He should have gone to Mo in the 9th, but 98% of managers do not in that spot. Not an excuse, ju7st a fact of life, I’m not going to rip him for it.
Again, stop blaming Girardi every chance you get before the post-game, please.
I second that!
Oh, nobody posted it: Girardi responded to Gardner’s non-steal attempt by simply saying, “That’s been addressed” twice.
So what was Girardi’s official answer to why Gardner didnt steal?
Gardner himself said “they wanted me to steal”
Yeah Brett always waits a long time to steal. Only like two of his steals came early in the count. I don’t get it, I guess he’s still learning the pitchers’ moves.
Gardner: “They wanted me to steal, I just didn’t go.” Again, stop blaming Girardi for stuff before we get the information.
Sounds like an excuse to me. I’d rather take my chances on Gardy getting thrown out.
Girardi has to make it clear…. go on the first pitch or two in that situation. Simply can’t risk the DP.
And Gardy needs to learn how to steal off relievers better. Let’s be honest, if he can’t utilize his speed, he’s not exactly helping the team too much.
What don’t you understand about “they wanted me to go?” They did want to take their chances. Unfortunately, Mick Kelleher can’t go out and give Gardner a shove to get him started.
What’s the job of a manager?
Are we supposed to be at the mercy of Gardner’s judgment. This isn’t rocket science.
THe only reason he’s on this team is for his speed. If he can’t steal in those situations, he has no place on the team.
We’re talking about stealing off Kerry Fucking Wood here. Go on the 2nd pitch at the latest.
Girardi needs Gardner to realize that.
Come on man. What the hell else could Girardi have done? Called timeout and implored Gardner to steal? The steal sign was on.
If you’re listening to the post game I think it sounds like Gardy missed a sign or was just being too conservative.
how about not waiting 4 days before pitching coke…
How about stop reaching for every little thing to blame on Joe Girardi? You wanted a high-leverage pitcher pitching in a blowout game last night? Weren’t all of you down Girardi’s throat for doing the same shit in Texas when the Yanks had the 11-0 lead and he put in Alfredo Aceves in the 9th?
sure give him an inning of work. no Girardi wasted our second best bullpen weapon in the 9 inning blowout..he could have waited another to pitch aceves
To be fair, imagine if this happened. Gardner on first, man on third, one out, Posada up at bat. Gardner tries to steal second and gets nailed out on a perfect throw. Posada flies out to deep right field right after. We’d all be crucifying Girardi for taking a chance and making the second out with a man on third. Let’s just try to keep a level head and remember no manager will make the right move all the time.
If that happens, then so be it. You have to make the plays that give you best chance to win.
Honestly, what were the odds of Gardner getting thrown out?
Much, much less than Posada grounding into a DP.
That’s the fundamental job as a manager, make the moves that give the team the highest chance to win. Girardi didn’t do that today.
I don’t care about the “Gardy waited to long to go excuse” either. If that’s the case, then that’s also on Girardi. He needs to make Gardner realize that he has to steal sooner in that situation, period.
What in the fuck is so hard to understand that they told Brett Gardner to steal and he just didn’t? I am absolutely dumbfounded that you can’t understand that they told the dude to steal and he just did not move. What with this scenario leads you to blame Joe Girardi in any way?
Post Game Interview with Coke – He had the sign and just decided not to go – that sucks!
right hes been on the team the whole season and he missed a sign for 5 pitches..way to blame the team Joe..
He didn’t miss a sign.
He obviously didn’t miss the God damn sign if he said “They wanted me to steal, I just didn’t go.” Is there really something difficult about that quote that just can’t be understood?
A few thoughts:
Eternally frustrating loss. I know the Yankees are banging on all cylinders now, and it’s awesome to see how they came back, but this loss killed me (especially how it was one of the few I actually get to watch on TV being across the country)
Honestly, I like how Hughes is shaping up. Some bloop hits and a few mistakes, but I’d like to see him for another turn.
The running Jeter out (where he was clearly safe via replay) before Tex hit the HR was really a game-changer, and that call really came back to hurt us, via the score. Otherwise, the ultimate killer was the Jorge double play, after a bad high strike call by the ump and Gardner’s non-steal.
You’d also have to consider putting Mo in after Coke’s leadoff walk (control being something the entire bullpen has to work on). I’m a huge Robertson fan, but when the game’s on the line, you need your best reliever.
Either way, I’m beyond confident in a win tomorow, so 3-1 for a series on the road isn’t too bad.
*Also, has anyone else noticed how Yankee losses recently are really gritty affairs. They simply aren’t giving games away anymore, and that’s awesome to see.
The pieces were all in place, Posada’s DP killed it though. This falls on the players not the manager.
This loss fuckin sucked.
The Yankees had three GOLDEN opportunities to win the game, and they could never get the big hit.
8th inning – Tex on second with ONE OUT and Arod and Cano comin up….HOW DO YOU NOT GET HIM IN!
9th inning – …i dont even wana talk about it.
GOATS of the Game = Arod, Cano, Posado, Phil Coke.
What the fuck is up with Coke??? He fuckin sucks right now and is good for one of 2 things: walking guys, or giving up home runs. Whatta waste this guy has become. Looks like the league finally caught up to him and his hanging curveballs.
Gardner needs to get his head out of his ass as well. Assuming he blew the steal sign in the 9th, you can throw him on the Goat List as well. Gardner is a fun player to watch, but he either saves you or kills you…not exactly the kind of consistency we like to see.
Oh, and add Girardi on the Goat List as well – can someone please explain to me why in the hell he had Coke start the 9th with 4 RIGHT HANDED HITTERS COMING UP???? That move was beyond stupid.
calm down