Jun
18

Game 66 Spillover Thread II

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At least put up a fight in the ninth, that’s all I ask.

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  1. Evan says:

    Rally cap time!

  2. Charlie says:

    this game just doesn’t have a late inning comeback feel to it.. its just been bad all around. maybe they’ll tease us and get 2, but 3 runs is hard with the way we’ve been hitting

  3. pat says:

    Hahah zimmerman started frowning before that pitch even crossed the plate. Diry, dirty curve davey.

  4. dkidd says:

    bullpen is SO not the problem right now

    • RunnerS122 says:

      There really isn’t too much more you could have asked for from the pitching tonight. Holding any team to 3 runs or less is giving their team an ample chance to win.

  5. Accent Shallow says:

    3-0 to the Nats is not the game I wanted to come home to. Please rectify.

  6. Charlie says:

    hopefully the red sox game gets stuck in the 6th with the rainout.. marlins are winning 2-1

  7. pat says:

    The thing with these shitty National pitchers is whenever we get into hitters count they throw shitty fastballs that aren’t really strikes yet we swing at them anyway.

  8. Dela G says:

    LETS GET GET IT!

  9. Charlie says:

    fuck you and your 97 mph fastball, macdougal

  10. Mike Axisa says:

    Might want to check your timeline Kay, Villone, Tavarez and Beimel were all signed before Bowden resigned.

  11. Slu says:

    Good start.

  12. Charlie says:

    nice robbie. now nobody GIDP, please

  13. dkidd says:

    i just had a thought: let’s win this one

  14. Mike Axisa says:

    Heh, Swish is straight up dissin’ MacDougal by stepping out like that.

  15. The Artist says:

    Anybody been reading that Dominican Baseball Universe Blog? The semi-illiterate clown that’s running the thing just closed it off to the public, you now have to be invited and register to read his misspelled pearls of wisdom. Apparently, he was getting criticized and people didn’t believe every word he said, or asked him to back it up with something. So he wrote an angry post yesterday and closed it off today.

    https://www.blogger.com/blogin.g?blogspotURL=http%3A%2F%2Fdominicanbaseballuniverse.blogspot.com%2F

  16. pat says:

    I would be scared shitless facing this macdougal guy. He’s about 50/50 knowing where the pitch is gonna end up.

  17. EB says:

    melky walk-off?

  18. Accent Shallow says:

    I’m forced to use the clearly inferior GameCast from ESPN since Gameday was so disgusted with the Yankees’ performance this series that it refused to load.

      • Accent Shallow says:

        Christ, what a bunch of horseshit. This is like the series with the Pirates last year. Even though the team is good enough to make this up easily, they really should have won this series.

        That’s baseball, I suppose.

        • The Artist says:

          The Yanks have been playing like shit since the Sox swept them. The few games we’ve won this past week were handed to us, with the exception of the Johan blowout. I seriously wonder if there’s a hangover effect.

  19. Charlie says:

    come on swish

  20. Stephen says:

    perfect

  21. Mike Axisa says:

    Well that sucked.

  22. Goddammit. Went right with it, too.

  23. dkidd says:

    people waited 5 hours in the rain to watch this game

  24. Ed says:

    This team is like a girls JV softball team. They can’t hit anything out of the infield.

  25. pat says:

    I woukld have rather watched 2 girls one cup on a loop for three hours than this piece of shit game.

  26. alan says:

    Didn’t think I’d find this when I turned on the TV.
    Joba turned things around though.

  27. Charlie says:

    Oh fuck. uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
    fffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuccccccccccccccccckkkkkkkkkkkkkkk. this is painful.

  28. JobaWockeeZ says:

    I think we’re due for another 10 game winning streak after this loss.

  29. Lanny says:

    When’s Nady get back?

  30. Slu says:

    Unacceptable.

  31. dkidd says:

    worst loss of the year

    let’s go on the road and start a winning streak!

  32. Dela G says:

    well the yankees are done, i might as well go and work out… :/

  33. Yankee1010 says:

    Pathetic. Way to show up, guys.

  34. Look out, Miami. Here come the Yankees.

  35. BigBlueAL says:

    Gonna be a fun flight to Miami tonight.

  36. Tom Zig says:

    Wow what a failure of a series that was.

  37. frank maguire says:

    Anyone else notice that McLuvin was sitting behind home plate?

  38. John says:

    that was ball 4 too but umps been calling that a strike all day…this is potentially what the effect of bad umpiring is

  39. Fuck it.

    Confidence Level = 10.

  40. Voice Of Reason says:

    Well it is official. You guys lost the series to the WORST team in baseball. Not only do the Yanks lose the series but they got shut out. Priceless !!!!
    Later boys.

  41. Charlie says:

    Sorry to complain, but this series was nothing short of pathetic

  42. chriskeo says:

    lets take 2 of 3 over the weekend, if not, well…

  43. BigBlueAL says:

    Yankees scored 7 runs, at home, vs the Nationals. Manny Acta might go from being fired to getting a contract extension.

  44. glick says:

    beg torre back yanks clamed up

  45. Charlie says:

    at least the rays lost and the sox are losing

    • BigBlueAL says:

      Start worrying about the Angels/Rangers 2nd place finisher in the West and still dont count out Toronto yet.

    • Zach says:

      eh sox’s game is only in the 5th inning and delayed, nolasco probably wont be back out, doubt their pen can hold it

  46. alan says:

    Now yesterday’s tying run looms larger, huh?
    Thank god I missed the game today, all the batters should go bang their heads on the wall HARD today (except Gardner, of course).

  47. GRGOYLDEF@ says:

    Hopefully this is the low point of the season….otherwise I’m going to cry at some point.

  48. donttradecano says:

    The record breaking World Champion 1998 Yankees lost three games to the Detroit Tigers (65-97), four games to the Minnesota Twins (70-92), one game to the Tampa Bay Devil Rays (63-99), and one game to the Montreal Expos (65-97).

    copyright TSJC aka soontobetylawsonsbiggestfan.

  49. JeffG says:

    I have never seen a team so cold… at least I can’t remember.

    Did they all shoot heroine before the game?

  50. Dave says:

    I thought losing the 8th in a row to Boston was the low point.

  51. Lanny says:

    If Girardi doesn’t watch out he could be a goner here. They will not let this season get away from them.

  52. tampayankee says:

    Nice and disgracefull. 7 runs against the shittiest team in baseball. That jackass Cashman is staying pat and looking at pitching. This team is destined for fourth place, thankfully Clueless Joe has that 27 on his back to remind him of the championship he will never win.
    Forget this weekend with that dead team and the heat in Miami hopefully only go 1-2.

  53. glick says:

    yanks didnt want to play a team that works the count ? wasnt playing tonight 60 pitchs in 6 innings from a guy with an era over 5 what the fck !wasted day

  54. Dorian says:

    I am normally on the side of our guys, but tonight everyone in the lineup had a poor approach. Nobody was going the other way. Pop ups and ground balls trying to pull outside pitches.

  55. J says:

    swisher had a horrible game. swinging at first pitches, not taking his walks, dp in the 9th, base running mistake AGAIN. we should trade him while his value has regained some stature.

    did anyone see him do a high five and kow-tow to matsui after matsui hit his birthday hr? matsui played along and did it with him but turn his head, rolled his eyes and looked slightly peeved at swish’s ignorance and to an extent, slight racism. besides, kow-towing is chinese not japanese.

    • Moshe Mandel says:

      A horrible game? The guy makes some stupid mistakes so people get on him at every turn, but he did not have a horrible game. He made an aggressive play and pressured the defense, and the guy made a good throw. He went 2-4, and even that DP he hit hard. He is 2nd on the team in OBP. I highly doubt we get something nearly as valuable for him. Or do you want to trade him for someone who bunts more?

      • Zach says:

        No we need to trade him and have Melky be our full time RF, better yet we need to put Matsui in RF so Posada can full time DH

      • J says:

        that’s the expected defense for swisher. i’m just as moneyball as anyone else, but this guy makes some really stupid mental mistakes that’s unacceptable at this level of baseball.

        everyone is entitled to a poor throw, a baserunning blunder here and there, etc… but he’s made so many of them in these last 2 months. you don’t need to a freaking genius to understand a rocket shot to our short right equals SINGLE. He has no speed, and was caught by 2 steps.

        i reiterate, he did have a horrible game. he wasn’t taking his pitches, swinging early and didn’t put pressure on the pitcher.

        • Swisher’s mistakes happened to have come in a bunch. Usually the shit that he’s done the last few weeks happens over the course of a season. I’d be surprised if stuff like this happens to Swisher for the rest of the way.

          Swisher didn’t have a typical Swisher game in terms of seeing pitches and walked, but he still had two hits and hit the ball hard on the DP. He also went with it instead of trying to pull it to second a-la-Hideki.

        • Moshe Mandel says:

          He saw 22 pitches in 4 AB’s. I have no idea what you are talking about.

          • J says:

            first at bat – 2 pitches flyout on 0-1 count
            second at bat – 4 pitches – single, tagged out at 2nd on 2-1 count
            third – 10 pitches – double (can’t criticize this one)
            fourth – 6 pitches – double play on 3-1 count

            Did he really take his pitches or in the end did he get a lot of balls thrown at him? His third at bat is definitely solid and he did a great job that AB fouling off pitches and getting a nice double, but take that away, and he saw 12 pitches in 3 ABs. Four pitches are still solid AB, but he seemed to be swinging at balls rather than strikes. I guess that’s what I meant when I said he wasn’t taking his pitches. Sounds like I’m backtracking, but if you watched the game, Swisher was fucking frustrating.

    • Trade him? Are you high? He’s relatively low-priced guy, he’s the only OF signed through next season, and is, as Moshe said, the 2nd leading OBP guy on the team.

      • J says:

        his OBP skills are diminished by his lack of speed, poor contact rate, and stupid stupid base running blunders. i mean for a guy who has the 2nd highest OBP on our team, he has only 37 runs, and been driven in only 25 times. He’s been on base nearly 90 times (bb+hits-hrs) and been driven in only 25 times? A man can get all the walks he wants. It doesn’t change the games score in the end.

        Yeah, he’s got an OPS of nearly 900 but has he really played like that?

        And yeah, we should trade him. High or not, you prove my point – he’s a relatively low-priced guy and is the 2nd leading OBP guy on the team. PUT DOWN YOUR PIPE SON!

        • Because runs scored aren’t completely dependent on the people behind the runner or anything. A high OBP guys skills are not diminished because of lack of speed. Their getting on base is better than speed. Would you rather have Nick Swisher or Brett Gardner? If you say Brett Gardner, you’re delusional. High OBP/low contact guys are alright if they can back it up with some pop, and Swisher does that well; he’s like Adam Dunn Lite, but with actual defensive skill.

          They definitely shouldn’t do it. Swisher’s a) a good player and b) the only OF signed through the next few years. Why would they want to get rid of him?

  56. Lanny says:

    The giving up games when Wang starts thing is starting to bite us in the arse. This is the majors. The team treats his starts like spring training because thats what it is. Now we got a Wang hangover.
    I can see the benefit of getting him going but at what expense here? Hughes should have been starting all these games. But now hes wasted being Wangs caddy.

    I thought the purpose was winning. Not rehabbing starters. Especially when you are already doing this for a young 5th starter as it is.

    • alan says:

      What a way to come up with excuses.
      Not that I think Wang should start over Hughes, but he clearly wasn’t the problem yesterday.

      The batters are paid millions more (literally) to play the game, and they can’t even hit some of the worst pitchers around the leauge? THAT is what’s disgraceful.

  57. Garry says:

    It’s the same thing game after game. Wang disapoints, Joba crumbles in the mid innings, etc. Angel Berrora wastes space on the bench. Hughes toils away when out of the 3 eligible guys, he’s the only one showing the confidence and the goods to get the job done.

    The team doesn’t make tough decisions and keeps trying to rely on past performances and future expectations to carry this team.

    Nick Swisher is not a reliable baseball player. Wang is not a 19 game winner anymore. Jorge Posada is DH, not a catcher. Joba Chamberlain is either a dynamic reliever or a decent starter, Hideki Matsui isn’t a fully functional player anymore.

    This is not a championship team. End of story.

    • Zach says:

      “Wang disappoints” spoken like a true fan who didnt watch or pay attention to the game, because everyone know the situation in the missed catch by Pena and the horrible missed call by the ump that lead to 2 runs

    • J says:

      dude chill out. i agree on swish… but its still too early for wang. posada is not a dh. he’s shown yankee fans how valuable he is with a tick below average defense and superior offensive production at C.

      Joba is in his first full professional year starting. Verlander struggled last year just like Joba (poor control, loss of fastball bite) but now he’s a legit 2.

    • Yeah, the guy w/the .390 OBP who had two hits today is not a reliable player. Okay, boss.

    • pat says:

      Ok “Garry”, thanks for your input.

  58. SouthernYankeeFan says:

    did anyone see the clip of artie lang ripping on Joe Buck on Joe’s new HBO show?

  59. Dorian says:

    There needs to be some serious conversation about what is wrong with Joba. I am not so sure that shoulder tendinitis was the only thing wrong. He has lost 5-8 MPH on the fastball and that doesn’t afford him the luxury to miss in the zone.

    Right now he seems like a thrower instead of a pitcher.

    • Zach says:

      not this again

      • Dorian says:

        Dude, I’m the champion of the “Joba is a starter” fanclub, but if you don’t look at the statistics and you just look at the guy who is standing on the mound and the “stuff” that he is throwing. The stuff isn’t good right now and it isn’t the stuff that we saw last year. It’s just concerning when a guy just out of no where loses that type of velocity.

        • pat says:

          So putting him in the bullpen in high leverage situations is the best way to remedy that problem? Please.

        • JP says:

          I think what people are saying is that he’s still got the a low ERA, a high K/9 rate, and a high swing and miss rate. In other words, even though the velocity is down on the guns, he’s still acting like a power pitcher, as far as the numbers go.

          Man it’s tough to meet expectations. I know he was dynamite his first season in relief…but look at how much better Coke was last season. Some of that dominance had to do with him being new and unknown to the league.

          He’s still so young. It can take several years before someone puts the whole thing together and turns in a dominating season.

          If another young pitcher – say someone like Kennedy, who didn’t have a huge hype and didn’t break in as an 8th inning reliever – came up and had Joba’s numbers for his first 2 seasons, I think most people would be happy.

          I think Joba’s pitching very well, but it looks worse than it is to some because of what we remember about 2007.

          His velocity may be down a little. Kay and Flaherty are making alot of this tonight. Maybe he’s got a shoulder or knee issue, or a groin thing. Maybe he’s pacing himself. Maybe the gun’s off a wee bit… If he NEVER hit 96-97 this season, I think I’d be more worried.

    • Lanny says:

      His stuff is diminished. Why? Who knows. Is it from being a starter? Is it an injury? The shoulder?

      Whatever it is there is something wrong with him. He’s not the same pitcher he was last year. As a starter last year he was hitting 96+. Now hes at 92mph. Huge difference.

      And he has Eiland disease. Hes walking too many guys and his WHIP is terrible.

      • JobaWockeeZ says:

        His stuff will come back if he goes to the bullpen. I thought this was obvious.

        • Dorian says:

          Idc where it comes back. I just want the stuff to come back. It would suck if this was the pitcher we were so excited about.

          • So despite his “stuff” being down, he’s still averaging around a strikeout per inning. The walks are troubling but it’s not like he’s pitching like he’s lost out there.

        • Lanny says:

          Glad you feel that way.

          I guess if you put your head in the sand long enough the problem will be solved and his diminished stuff will return.

          You and Girardi see eye to eye.

          • So, who replaces Joba in the rotation? The less polished Phil Hughes? Kei Igawa? Josh Towers? Cassey Fossum? Joba in the rotation makes the Yankees a better team.

            • Dorian says:

              Phil Hughes is more polished than Joba. Just look at the way they both attack hitters.

              • Hughes is walking his fair share of dudes, too, what with a 3.61 BB/9. He’s also got a higher HR rate and FIP this year.

                Whatever, I’m glad the Yankees have both of them and both will be in the rotation next year and bringing the srs pwn.

      • J says:

        joba looks a little fatter and less in shape than the last few years. I think that’s the problem – extra weight. Add in the fact he’s deliberately not throwing his fastest fastball and it compounds the problem further.

  60. glick says:

    there was never a joe torre show joe g said he was scared to have arod steal last night

  61. glick says:

    let jeter manage

  62. The Artist says:

    Hey guys, what do you say we start a lil new RAB tradition? Something we can do each night and have a little fun with?

    What do you say we recognize the “DUMBEST COMMENT OF THE NIGHT”?

    We can pick from all the many deserving candidates, post it and anyone who agrees can vote by putting a ‘+1′ or something.

    Winner gets a LoHud link, and hopefully the hint.

  63. I’m a fan of Aubrey Huff for one night as he singles home Nolan Reimold to beat K-Rod in a walk off.

  64. Dorian says:

    LMAO The 2nd best pitcher on the team right now is stuck throwing 2-3 innings a night in meaningless innings.

  65. cuponoodles says:

    Terrible, terrible, terrible loss. Cannot believe we scored 1 run against two pitchers throwing 88 mph meatballs right down the middle…

    But, SILVER LINING!!!

    Yanks bullpen this series:

    9.1 IP, 2H, 10K

    FUEGO!!!

  66. stewman23 says:

    For some reason I never realized that Joba wears glasses; it would seem fairly obvious that what he needs to get him going on the mound is a good set of killer Rick Vaughn frames on the mound

  67. Andrew says:

    Horrible Horrible Horrible Homestand. This could’ve been easily 2-4 during these six games.

  68. VO says:

    Well Gardner seems fine on the post-game interview although his memory seems a little faded about things like he didn’t remember that he rolled the ball to Damon or flipped it to him. But I guess he’s fine then he just said he had a headache.

    • Zach says:

      That seems um contradicting- he’s fine but he doesnt remember flipping the ball to Damon. Maybe he should stay in NY and not fly to Florida (ie. Church flying to Colorado last year after his concussion)

      • VO says:

        No, the trainers said he was fine, I just thought it was wierd because he didn’t really remember that part and some other little things, but you never know maybe he just doesn’t really pay attention to the little things while he is in pain.

      • Drew says:

        he passed the concussion test. At least, that’s what i got out of that interview.

        • VO says:

          That’s what I wanted to say, thank you for clearing it up. But as you saw he was saying stuff and taking it back at the same time.

        • JP says:

          I don’t think you can rule out a concussion with a physical examination within a few hours of the event. Some signs of a concussion may not show up for days.

          Also, amnesia, even brief or partial like he admitted to in the post-game, is a symptom of a concussion.

          • VO says:

            Well he didn’t really admit it, it was more like a well you know I’m not sure what hit the wall first, my hip or my butt. Or something of that nature.

  69. JP says:

    While I don’t know what the “rules” are about flying post-concussion, that sort of head injury – back of the head, whiplash type motion – demands observation and probably an MRI.

    • Word. He should probably sit out a game or two at least. We don’t want this to turn into a Ryan Church situation.

    • Zach says:

      CT Scan

      • JP says:

        Are you a radiologist Zach? I’m asking because I’m a neuropathologist, and I know a fair amount about nervous system imaging, but not as much as a radiologist.

        Anyway, my limited level of knowledge on this subject: a CT scan is of course very fast, but it’s good primarily in the acute setting in looking for fractures and bleeding. An MRI is a much more sensitive test and can look for swelling, axonal injury, etc. The biggest risk in that type of injury – striking the back of the head, whiplash motion – is a contrecoup contusion to the frontal and temporal lobes. You need an MRI to pick up something like this, as well as the subtle signs of concussions.

        • Dave says:

          Or a subdural hematoma due to tearing of the meningeal bridging veins…classically in an elderly person. I apologize, I’m studying for my Step 1 boards and couldn’t resist.

        • adeel says:

          axonal injury would be VERY unlikely as that is usually during high speed collisions, with severe clinical symptoms out of proportion to physical exam findings (coma, lethargy).

          A ct scan would be the most apropriate test, and if the yankees did not get that, especially with admitted amnesia, well that’s just bad medicine.

          I don’t know bout Zach, but I am a radiologist.

          • JP says:

            Adeel – my impression, from training as a neuropathologist, and studying for and passing those boards (2003, American Board of Pathology, you could look it up) – is that a concussion IS axonal injury, just a very mild form when the concussion is mild. Obviously, the catastrophic form of diffuse axonal injury, seen in sever head trauma, shaken/battered babies, etc., isn’t what we’re taling about. I thought there might be white matter changes on MRI in mild head trauma…no?

            What would be the indication for an MRI, in the setting of head trauma? None?

            • adeel says:

              You would get an mri in trauma in the following settings

              1) severe clinical deficit in the setting of a normal or not too bad looking head ct

              You could probably see hemorrhages on GRE sequences but they wouldn’t be as sensitive as ct, so they could cofirm but not much else

              2) White matter changes like the type you are talking about would probably be too mild to be picked up on MRI

  70. Dorian says:

    Tex was carrying this team for a little bit, now it seems as if Beckett put them all in a stupor. Robby is the only guy who is trying to go the other way with everything.

    • JP says:

      The players say all the right things about “putting games behind them” and keeping their focus, but you are onto something I think, in that they don’t seem to be the same team since the Boston series. The Mets/Nats series were alot more like the April team than the May team.

  71. Backseatmanager says:

    So who are we going to trade for? As they stand, this team can not win a minor league series, let alone the world series.

    • Dorian says:

      No one. Just take Matsui’s AB’s and give them to Nady when he comes back.

      The lineups collective approach right now is bad. There are too many guys that won’t go the other way. It seems as if the whole team is trying to drive the ball on every pitch instead of taking pitches and taking singles the other way.

  72. glick says:

    trade joe g mr torre thell be fine

  73. JP says:

    Fire Kevin Long. Bring back Donnie, so he’s already there for when Girardi is booted this October.

  74. adeel says:

    I don’t know why people defend Eiland or Long…. They are given this great bunch of players and every year it seems like the yankees end up being less than the sum of their parts. This is a great freaking team; and should dominate teams.

    It’s so hard to quantify whether a coach is doing a good or bad job; but I just can’t take the Yankees of late…. They are like 4-6 against pitchers they should be 10-0 on, and most importantly, they don’t win big games (red sox series).

    • blee says:

      The young bullpen the last few years have been solid.. and Robbie Cano and melky have seen imprvement under Long..

      You’re telling me Pettitte, Sabathia, Burnett, Arod, Jeter, Posada, Damon, Matsui.. a team of mostly veterans needs to blame the coaches for their perforamnce? or is that a fan thing?

    • JP says:

      My thought has always been that, at the professional level, coaches shouldn’t be doing much in terms of mechanics and technique. Seriously, if you’re good enough to make it to the majors, you shold have either good technique already, or the natural ability to groove your faults in such a way that you succeed anyway. I always assume coaches are more important as motivators, or as facilitators, helping the players focus on the right things and find the answers on their own.

      I wonder what type of coaches Eiland and Long are – micro-managing mechanics, or mentors?

      • adeel says:

        Well I am not a historian, but two trends that I have observed over the past years

        1) Yankees as a team do not hit mediocre pitching as good as they should (not too bad when you look at the number, but yesterday has happened all too commonly)
        2) Yankee pitchers hardly ever dominate… we have come to expect 1-3 runs per game from the pitching no matter who they face
        3) The team always seems better on paper than in reality

        Now, I am not saying all of this is Long and Eiland’s fault but there are two questions worth asking
        1) If the Yankees win the world series this year, will part of it be because of long and Eiland’s coaching or despite of it?
        2) We have two coaches who may be exceptional in their ability, but were not big mlb players or have a distinguised coaching career. Maybe they are saying the right things, but the players aren’t really responding… I mean, who would you want hitting advice from Long or Jackson? Maybe Joba would respect Guidry more than Eiland; I would.

        Personally, I like coaches to be ex-successful mlb players, and that may not be something that is universal to every team or even the Yankees, but based on the perfomance of the past few years… we seem to have great players but a bad team; y is that?

  75. bonestock94 says:

    I would prefer to lose to every ace and beat these scrubs. I’m sick of them making pitchers I’ve never heard of look like superstars.

  76. Mike says:

    I don’t know why some of you are making the excuse that the rain delay effected joba tonight. Look at the other kid that face them tonight, he had to wait through the same delay just like joba. I can’t stand when ever joba has a sub-par outting or loses excuses are made for him especially by girardi. It always from girardi “oh don’t think he looks comfortable out there or his motion didn’t look right”. My question is why are all these excuses always made for joba? You don’t see excuse being made for CC, Wang, AJ, Andy or Hughes when they pitch bad. Joba has done nothing as a starter to earn that right. Joba thus far has been overrated as a starter. The yanks act like just because he was dominate in the pen he will be a dominate starter. Now his numbers in the minors were good but pitching in scranton is much different then pitching in new york. Face it joba has basically been 5 inning pitcher. What worse is his whip is 1.44 and since becoming a starter last year his whip is 1.6. Joba has also lost that same swagger he had coming out of the bullpen. He had was unhittable and he knew it. The opposition doesn’t fear him anynore. Now there is still time to fix that. It can all be fixed by putting joba back in the bullpen and putting hughes in the rotation. With joba in the pen the yanks can go 7,8,9 with bruney, joba and mo. Plus in the long run i think hughes will be a much better starter than joba because he is more efficent in throwing strikes and seems to be able to go deeper. I think hughes will become for us what Mike pelfrey is for the mets. Now i know the yanks will say they can’t do that because of wang. The only way to fix wang is to keep sending him out there every 5 day. Putting wang in the pen does nothing to help his confidence and doing that will never bring back the old chien ming wang. This would put all 3 of those guys in the spot were they belong and were they each help the team in the best possible way. Also everyone keeps saying we need help in the pen. The pen would be helped big time by putting joba were he was at his best. Some people think we should try to trade for guys like huston street, chad qualls or jose valverde. Trust none of those guy are as good as joba would be again if he would be put back in the pen. My opinion of those 3 guys is that street has alway been an overrated closer, qualls is a control guy not a strike out artist and valverde reminds me to much of latroy hawkins. Plus i can’t stand valverde’s antics. Finally, have all of you just forgotten about 1996? The main reason the yanks won the title that year is because they had the ability to make every game a six inning ballgame. Mo pitched the seven and eighth innings and wettland shut the door in the nighth. We could have the same thing with bruney in the 7th, Joba in the 8th and Mo in the 9th. We had that 3 man group together to start the year last season and it was a mistake for the yanks to brake that up, especially after bruney got hurt. It lets the old saying when its not broken don’t fix it. Joba has always said he would do anything that help the team win and doesn’t care what role he is in. I don’t know what the rest of you think but if torre was still the manager i think joba would be still in the bullpen. Joe Torre said back on the day joba got his first save that he believes he should be the next closer after Mo. The only reason i think girardi got hire is because girardi said he could fixed farnsworth. Now farnsworth has the same stuff as joba but is not half the reliever joba is. This back to the arguement i made earlier would you rather have a guys that is a 5 inning pitcher at the most will tax the bullpen or have that same guys has been the most dominated eighth inning starter in the game over the last 2 years?

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