Jun
28

Minors notes: Cox, Ajax, Bleich

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Mike had some notes on minor leaguers Jason Johnson and Ian Nova last night. Here are a few more tidbits.

Categories : Minors
  • Jersey

    I have a cousin who still swears that Cox is going to be the closer of the future. Guess I need to make a phone call.

    • Steve H

      Is the phone call to get your cousin checked into rehab?

    • Billy

      he did have a lot of potential coming out of college. injuries are a bitch

      • Jersey

        Yeah, it is a shame. Especially when you think about how routine TJ surgeries are these days – there was lots of reason to think he could still be a decent contributor at some point, if not a closer.

  • Billy

    i think the people that criticize jackson are idiots. ditto everything that was said in the article. i actually think he will hit more homers in the majors cuz pitchers are around the plate more and he drives the ball the other way very well, something that will suit him playing in yankee stadium. his defense is ml ready right now and i think he’ll be an outstanding player who probably can play at a decent level in the bigs right now. it really pisses me off when people criticize him like that, all ur gonna do is get into his head. his makeup wont let that happen though. to all the people who criticize austin jackson – get a clue. you dont accomplish anything good when u do that and ur just trying to make urself sound smart.

    • http://www.richardiurilli.com/ Richard Iurilli

      Keith Law’s opinion on prospects is trusted by many. No offense, but he knows a lot more about Austin Jackson and scouting prospects than you do.

      Don’t get me wrong, I still think Austin can be a solid regular at the major league regular; maybe even a star. But I can’t ignore the opinions of people who know a lot more than I do just becausse I don’t like what they say.

      • Mattingly’s Love Child

        amen

      • Billy

        the thing that gets me is he hasnt played one major league inning yet. how r u gonna say he cant be a star if he hasnt played yet. thats ignorance to me. just let the kid play before you say what he is

        • Mattingly’s Love Child

          No one has said he can’t be a star. Many of us have come to the realization that Jackson needs to make some changes in order to be a star. Law himself, a trained scout, unlike the rest of us schmoes, has been disappointed with his lack of development in the power and ability to make consistent contact.

          He can be a star, but it is less likely with the way he is performing at AAA.

        • DreDog

          The minors are littered with prospects that you could say the same thing about.

        • Tremont

          Billy I haven’t played a major league inning yet. Might I be a star?

        • Steve in PDX

          Exactly-he hasn’t played an ML inning yet, how can you say he’s gonna be any good? And how’s grammar school treating you?

      • Andy

        Please. Everybody LOVES Keith Law. I like Law, but he is a pompous, I’m the smartest guy in the room little man who has clearly never played the game at a high level. For everyone quoting Law out there as “knowing more than you do,” I’ll give you Dave Miley and Billay Wagner and Kevin Russo and PJ and Duncan, etc, etc, ect, guys who have actually played the game, guys who have seen this kid every day, guys who don’t rely on stats only to determine if a player is good, and guys who, no offense, know a lot more than you do – and they all say Law has his head up his ass. I’ll take their word, because not only do they know more than you do, they know more than I do, and they know more than Law does.

    • Mattingly’s Love Child

      I respectfully disagree. With Jackson striking out at his current rate, I’m not sure he would be able to play at a decent level in the majors right now. He’s still a heck of a talent. Just because some of us think he may need more time at AAA, doesn’t make one less of a fan. Most of the conversation on this blog has revolved around his lack of power at AAA and all of the strikeouts. I’m not sure that is real criticism that should “get in his head”. And if he’s going to be a serious baseball player, he really shouldn’t give a damn what the fans think. The coaches and organization will tell him what he needs to work on. They want him to succeed. We all want him to succeed. But to just decide he’s going to be the next big thing, without critically looking at his performance is foolish.

      • Billy

        right but we should realize that the power will come. he’s hit for power in some tough places, and with the launching pad that the yanks play in, who is to say that he cant hit homeruns?

        • Mattingly’s Love Child

          He only hit 9hrs last year, and granted Trenton isn’t a good place to hit, but 1hr so far this year is not great.

          There is no telling if the power will come.

          I’m still waiting for Ricky Ledee to become a .300 hitter with doubles power….

          I don’t think anyone has made a complete judgment on Jackson. But it is a troubling development that he hasn’t hit for much power this year. And the insane strikeout totals aren’t a good sign, for when he faces better pitchers, I’m pretty confident he won’t strike out less. But with more time in AAA, maybe he can work on that.

          • Billy

            and the 10 homers in tampa that year.

            • Billy

              2007

            • Mattingly’s Love Child

              10 homers in Tampa is great. But again, there is NEVER any guarantee that power “will come” with a prospect. I think all of us hope 15-20hrs out of Jackson, but by only hitting 1hr this year, with unreal lucky BABIP thus far, it is a concern. It’s not all peaches and cream here. At the same time, to give up on him would be absolutely ridiculous.

        • DreDog

          You gotta remember, what KLaw said. I don’t think he said he would never hit for power or never reach the bigs.

          He implied that he was not going to be a star and that he wasn’t going to fulfill his peak. That’s not so bad. The Yanks didn’t win all those WS rings with a 25 man All-Star team.

          • DreDog

            *peak .

          • AndrewYF

            He said *probably* won’t. Only a hyperbolic dummy would give it 100% certainty.

            • DreDog

              Be nice. That’s what the * was for. I just made a mistake and repeated the wrong word..

    • http://www.richardiurilli.com/ Richard Iurilli

      Also, the shift key is your friend.

      • DreDog

        Awesome!

      • Spaceman.Spiff

        Not mine. The shift key is actually my mortal enemy.

  • Billy

    congrats to bleich by the way. i had doubts about him last year, but i think with his performance so far this year and his ability to command pitches that he could be a solid middle to back-end starter. plus he’s left handed, which is a plus.

  • ArodMVP217 FTW!

    Venditte, Nova, Noesi and Bleich. Good stuff

  • Jake H

    Love how Jackson is 22 and people are like he won’t reach his peak. Cause baseball is like tennis where at 22 your done.

    • DreDog

      He just needs to keep CF warm for Heathcott. LOL

    • Billy

      thats my point exactly. the people who say that are ignorant

    • Mattingly’s Love Child

      Tough to reach your peak if you can’t hit the ball enough. I think with more time in AAA Jackson can still be a solid above average regular. He’s got plenty of time, to call him a bust right now is absolutely retarded. But like I said above, with this many strikeouts and this little power, that star is dimmed a little bit.

      • Billy

        i’d like to see what granderson’s numbers were at jackson’s age. he’s pretty much a borderline all star. he had a great 07

        • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

          When Granderson was Jackson’s age, he was in his first full pro season (NYPL @ 21, FSL @ 22). But, in his first season at AAA, age 24, he hit .290/.359/.515, with 15 homers. Granderson and Jackson are not good players to compare to each other; I like A-Jax, a lot, and I think he’ll be a solid MLer, but he doesn’t have the power that Granderson has (.497 SLG in the minors, .491 in the majors). I HOPE that Jackson can develop power like that but I’m not counting on it, and you probably shouldn’t be either.

          • Mattingly’s Love Child

            Thanks Matt, my computer is too slow for me to pull that stuff together quickly…

            • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

              No problem, MLC, no problem.

        • Mattingly’s Love Child

          Granderson was drafted out of college, so he was in High A at 22. That year, .286/.365/.458 with 11hrs in 127 games.

          But the problem with comparing minor league stats, is that you are not matching talents, just production.

          He was drafted in the 3rd Round instead of 8th for Jackson. Also by the end of his age 23 season(.303/.407/.515, 21hrs) Granderson was pretty much done with the minors.

          So the numbers may be comparable, but Brian Daubach’s career minor league numbers dwarf both of their’s, and he definitely wasn’t anything more than a 24th or 25th man…

        • pat

          Thanks to the wonders of the internet, you can find out at age 22 Curtis granderson was at High-A Lakeland .286/.365/.458 11HR with 10 SB.

          So basically he was two full levels behind ajax hitting for less contact but more power.

          You’re welcome.

          • pat

            oops just a little bit late.

            • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

              Way to detract from your already tarnished credibility, you sick bastard.

              • pat

                TARDY RESPONSE FTL :(

                • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

                  :(

  • Billy

    even if jackson doesnt hit for power, he has shown the ability to hit for average and steal bases. he can mature into a top of the lineup hitter, and combine that with his defense and makeup, and thats a quality ballplayer. and just because he doesnt hit for power in the minors doesnt mean he wont in the majors. garret anderson wasnt a power hitter early in his career. i think jackson will hit 15-25 homers, probably not 30.

    • DreDog

      I don’t think anyone here is saying he won’t be a quality ballplayer.

      • Billy

        than i must be misunderstanding people’s expectations of him. if people expected him to hit 35 homers, than their expectations were bound to be tempered

        • DreDog

          I think that before this year, people had higher expectations for him. Because of this year, people have lowered their expectation. That’s all relative.

          It could mean people had monster expectations for him before this year. It could mean people think he will be a slightly lesser MLBer compared to years past.

          It does not mean people think he is a trash prospect. There are tons of good ballplayers that have had that happen to them in their career.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

    Ladies and gentlemen, Jesus Montero has just hit his first home run at AA.

    That is all.

    • Professor Oak

      YAY!

    • Mattingly’s Love Child

      Thanks for the good news!

      Off topic though, no? ;) Hehe

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      WOOOOO!

    • pat

      Celebratory Toke!

    • pat

      Here’s what Mashmore said about the blast-

      JESUS MONTERO BREAKS THE SEAL! He hit his first Double-A home run, an absolute shot that was more than halfway up the batters eye in center…the wall is 407 feet away, so it was an absolutely mammoth blast. 2-2, Thunder, B2.

      Booyah

  • GradyDarg

    Ellsbury doesn’t hit for power, neither does Pedroia and even though Pedroia is having a down year he is still playing well. I expect Jackson to be like those two.

    • pat

      He’ll hit for more power than ellsbury but he wont run like tacoby. Nor will he be on as many GQ covers being proclaimed The Future

      • Jake H

        I think Jackson will play good D, get some hits and steal some bases.

      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

        If all goes right for A-Jax, this is what, IMO, he’ll do each year

        .270-.285 BA
        .340-.360 OBP
        .400-.420 SLG
        10-15 homers
        20-25 SB
        Good defense in CF

        If that happens, I’m happy.

        Basically, I think he’ll be Mike Cameron without the power or Marlon Byrd with more speed and a touch more patience.

        • pat

          Yeah that works for me. He has also shown a penchant for getting big hits in big games which is pretty sweet. I think in a playoff game last year he robbed 2 homeruns from going over the fence.

        • Mattingly’s Love Child

          Any way I can sign up for that now? Like a prepayment for oil or locking in a low rate with a 2 year commitment to cable?

        • DreDog

          That’s damn good. Like really good. If he averages that in his career, I will be doing cartwheels.

          • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

            Maybe my “predictions” are a bit lofty, but then again, I’m saying that’s if he fully meets his potential. I have a feeling that many people think he will not just meet but exceed his potential and be a .300/.380/.480 guy. I doubt that happens.

        • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

          I don’t get the draw…isn’t Brett gardener that good?

          • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

            If Brett Gardner can put up 10-15 homers every single year, I’ll eat my hat. Anyway, Gardner does also have four years on Jackson, so that factors in. Plus, let’s see if Gardner can do that, aside from the steals, he could obviously steal a lot, for an entire year.

          • K.B.D.

            Gardner’s campaign this season is attempting to prove he’s more than just a 4th outfielder/pinch runner. Austin has the potential to be a solid regular and maybe see an all-star game or two.

  • pat

    I saw austin jackson hit a bomb into Duncan Pond during spring training. My own two eyes tell me he will hit for power when he matures a little bit more.

  • pat

    HOLY SHIT PETER GAMMONDS JUST COMPLIMENTED OUR FARM SYSTEM!!!!!!!!

    • Mattingly’s Love Child

      Didn’t happen. You must be on something….

      • Jersey

        Or Gammons is on something

    • Professor Oak

      Where WHERE????

      Anyways… I think Ajax will get the power eventually, I don’t care even if he does. I’d rather have guys batting .250 with a big OBP than a power bat that doesn’t get on base a lot. I think he could eventually be a .300 hitter in the bigs after a year or two.

      • DreDog

        At least he has the speed to not clog the bases.
        -Dusty Baker

      • Tremont

        Professor, I didn’t realize it was an either/or.

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      I know the dude’s still recovering from his stroke, but it seems like this season, he’s had a really hard time stringing words/a sentence together without struggling/starting/stopping.

  • Jake H

    Upton last year his 8 hr’s playing in center. If Jackson can hit 15 to 20 hr’s he would be in the top 15 center fielders based on just that. If he his slg % which is .421 was the same in the majors he would be top 12 based on last years #.s

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      B.J. Upton also played ridiculous defense in CF (3rd best UZR/150 in CF in MLB) and had a .380 OBP, and added 44 steals. I doubt Jackson could replicate any of those things.

      • K.B.D.

        Austin Jackson =/= Bossman Junior, even in the best case scenario. A poor man’s BJ, maybe.

        “Poor man’s BJ” was something I never thought I’d type.

        • Jersey

          It’s a near-daily Google search for me.

        • DreDog

          I agree. That being said, I think AJax will be better than Ellsbury. He has a better nickname already.

          • Professor Oak

            At least we can expect Ajax to be clutch unlike Ellsbury COUGH COUGH COUGH

          • K.B.D.

            Ellsbury has more speed, Austin will hopefully have more power.

  • Billy

    the man with no power just homered

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  • Tremont

    As guys who follow the Yankee farm, most of us haven’t actually seen very much on the prospects we are counting on. Naturally, in our heads, we build up every prospect who shows any promise into the next big thing. But ultimately we have to rely primarily on stats and scouting reports to evaluate the player.

    The scouts and the stats seem to agree that A-Jax is a pretty good prospect, but not a star in the making. Let’s accept this and be pleasantly surprised if he exceeds expectations.

  • Lou

    I actually like your comparison Matty.

    Judging by the table you showed we can judge Jackson and compare him to Granderson when AJax turns 24. Granderson didn’t hit the bigs until he was 25. Another reason I still think guys like Melky Mesa have more then enough time as long as he can rake the way he is. None of us know what a sure thing is but I think it’s safe to say with his body type and his swing 15 home runs aren’t out of the question. Bernie Williams wasn’t every considered a prospect with + power but after a few years he started to reach 20 home run levels. I have no problem with AJax’s development at this point in time. Im excited about what we have coming up. If nothing else we have a lot of bargining chips